| Tuesday, February 7th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:22] | Ironhand: | guess I'm too used now to doing things the way Debian wants... makes one lazy |
| [00:00:24] | sphery: | Ironhand: I'll update the help text for that option (and the other one that requires restart)... thanks for helping me notice :) |
| [00:00:49] | Ironhand: | sphery: np, thanks for your help :-) |
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| [00:25:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: were cn/cc/cN late additions to mythlink.pl? |
| [00:27:17] | sphery: | I think so |
| [00:27:21] | sphery: | why? |
| [00:27:38] | wagnerrp: | because they never made it into the python version of that method |
| [00:27:55] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering if i somehow forgot that when writing it like two years ago |
| [00:28:15] | sphery: | ah, I'm guessing they were added later |
| [00:29:28] | sphery: | hehe, Apr 2006, it seems: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/39bd6 . . . d4598ac2ed1e |
| [00:29:46] | wagnerrp: | so i just forgot those |
| [00:30:04] | sphery: | new theory: you wrote the python bindings based on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl#Help_Output , which was way out of date until sometime in the last year or 2 when I updated it? |
| [00:30:13] | wagnerrp: | possible |
| [00:33:01] | sphery: | someone edited the help output section of wiki page without putting in a ticket/patch to edit the same in the script |
| [00:41:52] | wagnerrp: | well im not sure i can blame that |
| [00:42:07] | wagnerrp: | since you updated the wiki apr.10, and i added that method apr.29 |
| [00:45:21] | wagnerrp: | how is there a set_channel_info but no get_channel_info.... |
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| [00:58:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: setloglevel connects to the master backend, and updates the current level on a running system... |
| [00:58:45] | wagnerrp: | ... in theory |
| [00:58:55] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried it several months ago, it didnt seem to do anything |
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| [01:05:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, but until it can be used to set log level of any backend and/or frontend, I don't want to advertise the half, er, "finished" feature |
| [01:06:11] | wagnerrp: | tie it into a broadcast that sends it to all active machines? |
| [01:06:19] | wagnerrp: | s/broadcast/backend event/ |
| [01:07:16] | sphery: | but with only one event listener app per host, that wouldn't work, right? |
| [01:07:28] | sphery: | I was thinking something more like a services api/frontend services api function |
| [01:07:33] | wagnerrp: | there are events, and system events |
| [01:07:44] | wagnerrp: | system events are sent to one instance per host |
| [01:07:44] | sphery: | oh, events as in protocol? |
| [01:07:49] | wagnerrp: | events are sent to everyone |
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| [01:08:11] | wagnerrp: | BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]<payload>[]:[]<additional or 'empty'> |
| [01:08:45] | sphery: | but it might be nice to do it in services and then just use the code dblain has promised to use the services code as a client from inside mythutil, so that you could set different verbose/loglevel on different apps/machines |
| [01:08:48] | wagnerrp: | system events are just a specially handled subtype of the event system |
| [01:09:01] | sphery: | right, I just didn't know which events you were talking about |
| [01:09:19] | wagnerrp: | what you want would require some rework of the backend protocol |
| [01:09:34] | sphery: | not if we use services api/frontend services api, right? |
| [01:09:46] | sphery: | send message to api listener, it calls a functoin |
| [01:10:01] | wagnerrp: | youre saying the web page would send the messages directly to each instance itself, rather than routing it through the backend? |
| [01:10:14] | sphery: | not web page |
| [01:10:17] | sphery: | xml interface |
| [01:10:34] | sphery: | we run http server on all backends (at least we did in 0.24) and all frontends |
| [01:11:05] | sphery: | (or, technically, xml or json--just no need to create an html page for it--except I might add it to logging page if it's there) |
| [01:11:18] | wagnerrp: | but is mythutil hitting each individual backend itself? or just the master, which then forwards the message on? |
| [01:11:47] | sphery: | well, since it's not doing services api for --setverbose/--setloglevel, we could write it to do the rigth thing :) |
| [01:12:22] | sphery: | I think it's currently connecting to master backend only using mythproto |
| [01:12:26] | sphery: | and it only affects master backend |
| [01:12:40] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:13:05] | sphery: | it's another one of the "never finished because whoever implemented it thought his configuration was the only possible one" features |
| [01:13:16] | sphery: | (it came from a user patch /long/ ago) |
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| [01:14:19] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6190 |
| [01:14:36] | sphery: | guess it put frontend verbose control into network interface |
| [01:15:01] | sphery: | I think services api with mythutil as a services api client would be easier for most, though |
| [01:15:35] | sphery: | (because those who could script it through netcat could also script a services api call through wget/curl/netcat/...) |
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| [01:53:49] | [R]: | wtf was with ticket 10314? |
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| [04:10:29] | k-man: | [R]: nice! hehe |
| [04:11:20] | k-man: | at least he appologised in the end |
| [04:11:37] | [R]: | lol |
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| [05:00:52] | petefoo: | is there a list of %THINGS% accepted by value for textarea in mythui? |
| [05:06:59] | sphery: | I think they're listed in the docs for each textarea that uses templates |
| [05:07:14] | sphery: | docs = http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [05:07:40] | petefoo: | yeah, i'm on #The_textarea_widget |
| [05:07:57] | petefoo: | just wondering if there is a list of values I can use. |
| [05:08:33] | petefoo: | its not very specific |
| [05:08:56] | sphery: | but I mean you need to look at specific docs for specific windows, like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recordings-ui.xml (see the big note at top) |
| [05:09:23] | sphery: | since different windows have different data available |
| [05:14:39] | petefoo: | thanks. that's exactly the crumb I was looking for. |
| [05:20:40] | sphery: | so I'm trying to figure out if the code in this patch--that's much farther along than I though it was--was written by some gremlin or if I actually did write it sometime |
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| [05:45:35] | petefoo: | sphery: is there a way to drill down to a file name within storagegroups? |
| [05:46:21] | petefoo: | ie 4 drives, all in the same storage group. looking for the same they all know them by. |
| [05:46:50] | wagnerrp: | basename? |
| [05:47:32] | petefoo: | is that usable in video-ui? |
| [05:48:01] | wagnerrp: | still not exactly sure what youre looking for |
| [05:48:20] | wagnerrp: | you want the actual filename of the recording? |
| [05:48:29] | petefoo: | yes |
| [05:48:35] | petefoo: | breadcrumbs textarea The path (within the library) to the selected item, ie "Videos > Television > LOST." |
| [05:48:40] | petefoo: | gets me to lost |
| [05:48:51] | wagnerrp: | you mean video library, not recordings |
| [05:49:09] | petefoo: | yes. |
| [05:49:21] | wagnerrp: | at least one of the views already displays such breadcrumbs |
| [05:49:56] | petefoo: | i see the crumbs |
| [05:50:17] | petefoo: | is there a direct way for me to see the actual filename? |
| [05:50:34] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
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| [16:22:48] | sphery: | peitolm: that error, "Error! QtWebkit headers not found" is not from QtWebkit (or anything Qt). It's from MythTV configure--and it means that either you don't have pkg-config installed or it's not getting an appropriate PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
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| [16:50:16] | peitolm: | yeah, i figured that , it seems to be am issue with the pkg-confug paths on 10.7, which is a little crazy. it works on one box, but nit the other, so i'm going to look into it shortly |
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| [17:35:57] | wagnerrp: | so apparently one of these porn-downloading lawsuits is taking a fairly unique defence |
| [17:36:15] | wagnerrp: | since it doesnt promote the progress of science or the useful arts |
| [17:36:21] | wagnerrp: | it is not subject to copyright protection |
| [17:44:39] | quicksilver: | lol |
| [17:44:45] | quicksilver: | is copyright dependent on those things? |
| [17:45:05] | wagnerrp: | in one interpretation of the wording, apparently |
| [17:45:22] | wagnerrp: | seems theres even prior case law (from the 1800s) to uphold that interpretation |
| [17:50:20] | quicksilver: | so if I want to steal your software, I just have to explain that it's so rubbish it doesn't promote the progress of science :) |
| [17:50:46] | wagnerrp: | thats the claim |
| [17:56:29] | sphery: | woah, YL on -users list said that the difference, if any, between Temporal 2x and Advanced 2x deinterlacing in VDPAU is so slight as to be not worth it. I hope he runs faster than the angry mob with pitchforks and torches. |
| [17:56:46] | wagnerrp: | of course there is the tiny little logical flaw, if your content is rubbish and of no worth, why are you copying it |
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| [17:57:30] | sphery: | one thing I've learned is to never make any comments about people's "unicorns dancing on rainbows" VDPAU deinterlacing or suffer great retribution |
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| [18:14:51] | Seeker`: | im not sure why interlaced content doesnt just die |
| [18:15:54] | Oleg_: | sphery, so, mythtv 0.25 will be released this month? |
| [18:16:00] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:16:15] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [18:16:17] | wagnerrp: | nor will it be released next month |
| [18:16:20] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [18:16:47] | Oleg_: | good. it means there will be more time to add new features or fix bugs |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | no, because feature freeze is sunday |
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| [18:19:29] | Oleg_: | I don't understand. If feature freeze is this Sunday, people will be working on fixing mythtv's bugs for at least 2 additional months? |
| [18:23:12] | Oleg_: | yes? |
| [18:26:50] | sphery: | this is why it's recommended that users wanting a working DVR use the stable version, not the development version :) |
| [18:27:14] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/501988#501988 |
| [18:27:33] | wagnerrp: | youve never heard of applications running beta tests and release candidates? |
| [18:29:42] | Oleg_: | I don't understand what this sentence means. It's not written in clear English: |
| [18:29:45] | Oleg_: | "A 'soft freeze' for translatable strings will also come into effect |
| [18:29:46] | Oleg_: | with the feature freeze with a hard freeze at the same time as RC1." |
| [18:29:51] | Oleg_: | so, it makes no sense |
| [18:30:21] | wagnerrp: | when people make changes, it often changes the translatable strings |
| [18:30:35] | wagnerrp: | which means all those different translations need to be updated to match |
| [18:30:50] | sphery: | So, Anonymous says Symantec tried to give them $50 if they'd return the source code to PCAnywhere... I have a feeling, though, that it was actually an FBI agent who was offering that (like the old "You've won a boat!" trick). |
| [18:30:50] | wagnerrp: | the 'soft freeze' means, 'dont add things unless absolutely necessary' |
| [18:30:59] | sphery: | er, $50k |
| [18:34:16] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I don't get it. When the Sunday comes, will mythtv be hard frozen or soft frozen? |
| [18:34:25] | Oleg_: | not, "the Sunday" |
| [18:34:27] | Oleg_: | just Sunday |
| [18:35:07] | sphery: | there's only a soft freeze for translations |
| [18:35:16] | sphery: | the feature freeze is no new features |
| [18:35:38] | sphery: | the point, however, is that there will not be a MythTV 0.25 until April |
| [18:35:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, misread what he had pasted |
| [18:36:16] | sphery: | I thought you said the same thing? |
| [18:36:39] | sphery: | where I interpreted "things" to mean "strings") |
| [18:37:03] | wagnerrp: | no, i thought it said it was a soft freeze on features, to make it easier for the translators to finish up |
| [18:41:20] | sphery: | I wish we had more time, though--I have 3 features I really want to get in, but not enough time to do so |
| [18:41:29] | sphery: | (so I'll get the one must-have in) |
| [18:41:42] | wagnerrp: | i assume one is the cutlist editing stuff |
| [18:46:50] | ** Seeker` hopes his patches make it in, but not likely by the looks of things ** | |
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| [19:08:01] | resno: | hello. quick question. to record ota hdtv, i need a tvdtbs card? |
| [19:09:11] | wagnerrp: | what is a 'tvdtbs' card? |
| [19:09:20] | resno: | tv-dtsb? |
| [19:09:31] | resno: | i guess i should look it up on myths site heh |
| [19:09:31] | wagnerrp: | still dont know what that is |
| [19:09:46] | wagnerrp: | i have honestly never heard that term before |
| [19:10:11] | resno: | i dont recall what i read, so im putting the letters together as i remember reading them |
| [19:10:19] | wagnerrp: | what country are you in? |
| [19:10:27] | resno: | USA! NTSC |
| [19:10:35] | wagnerrp: | rather, you need ATSC |
| [19:10:43] | resno: | oh.. atsc |
| [19:10:53] | wagnerrp: | any ATSC tuner supported in linux should do |
| [19:10:56] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:10:56] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:11:13] | resno: | oh, we/yall got a bot |
| [19:11:47] | resno: | dvb is what i was going for |
| [19:12:05] | wagnerrp: | DVB is the name of the generic linux interface for all digital tuners |
| [19:12:23] | wagnerrp: | it is also the name of the specific type of digital television used in europe and australia |
| [19:12:34] | resno: | ah, so i was outside of my zone |
| [19:13:03] | wagnerrp: | when you add an ATSC tuner to mythtv, it is of type 'DVB DTV...', since its the name of the linux interface |
| [19:13:10] | resno: | oh, i have one question. with antanne, can you get 2 feeds? |
| [19:13:17] | wagnerrp: | but if youre buying a DVB tuner card, it wont work for ATSC |
| [19:13:27] | wagnerrp: | two feeds? |
| [19:13:51] | resno: | do i need to ant to get 2 shows? |
| [19:14:15] | resno: | 1 feed per antanne? |
| [19:14:18] | wagnerrp: | a sufficiently large antenna, or amplified antenna, can be split and fed into multiple tuners |
| [19:14:55] | ** sphery feeds 6 tuners with his one antenna ** | |
| [19:15:07] | wagnerrp: | s/antenna/monstrosity/ |
| [19:15:25] | resno: | are we talking about attic mounted type thing? |
| [19:16:00] | wagnerrp: | a bit roof-mounted antenna is the best option |
| [19:16:19] | resno: | yea, im not going that far. |
| [19:16:20] | wagnerrp: | but an attic mounted one is close enough, if there are no nearby obstructions |
| [19:16:50] | wagnerrp: | depending on your proximity to the transmitters, you can get by with a cheap pair of bunny ears |
| [19:17:08] | sphery: | mine's mounted inside my attic (homeowner's association rules + hurricane defense) and is a Terk TV-38, which is probably overkill for my current broadcasters (but was required back when digital broadcast was on the low-powered transmitters an analog was on the high-powered ones) |
| [19:17:16] | wagnerrp: | or if you have cable service, most or all of the local channels will be retransmitted unencrypted over the cable line |
| [19:17:16] | resno: | i bought this cheap thing from wal-mart and it gets somewhat reliable feed... |
| [19:17:48] | resno: | nah, i ve cut the cable |
| [19:18:14] | sphery: | though I could have mounted it outside, regardless of the HOA rules, I do have to live with my neighbors, so wasn't worth upsetting them--and the bonus is that my roof has nicely protected it from hurricanes and tropical storm winds, so I'm not constantly having to replace it |
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| [19:18:33] | sphery: | cutting the cable is good |
| [19:18:39] | sphery: | ota is very nice--and the price is right |
| [19:18:44] | resno: | indeed |
| [19:19:03] | resno: | just looking to get some local stuff and my current ant sucks |
| [19:19:07] | sphery: | and you can just spend the money you're saving by not paying for a cable subscription on buying DVDs or BluRays of those only-on-cable shows you want to see |
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| [19:19:11] | resno: | and want to feed it to myth |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | (or even a netflix subscription or something) |
| [19:19:27] | sphery: | note, though, that netflix doesn't/won't/can't work with MythTV |
| [19:19:33] | resno: | sphery: what cards do you use? |
| [19:19:55] | sphery: | I have 4 extremely old ones that you shouldn't get and one new Hauppauge HVR-2250 (which has 2 tuners built in) |
| [19:20:59] | sphery: | HVR-2250 is listed http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards |
| [19:26:36] | Oleg_: | what the hell happened to schedules direct? I keep running mythfilldatabase, but every time I start mythfrontend, I see "Unknown" next to every channel in the Program Guide |
| [19:27:20] | wagnerrp: | try running it once on the command line with --dd-grab-all |
| [19:29:02] | Oleg_: | nope, still the same thing |
| [19:29:18] | wagnerrp: | well surely it hasnt finished so quickly |
| [19:30:56] | sphery: | Oleg_: analog or digital channels? |
| [19:31:09] | Oleg_: | digital. |
| [19:31:18] | Oleg_: | let me paste the output from mythfilldatabase |
| [19:32:02] | Oleg_: | http://pastebin.com/SSsxbuJA |
| [19:32:05] | sphery: | digital from mythtv's perspective, right--i.e. not using an HD-PVR or PVR-150 or the like? |
| [19:32:29] | sphery: | bad password |
| [19:32:48] | sphery: | Oleg_: ^^^ |
| [19:33:01] | sphery: | or else your membership has expired? |
| [19:33:05] | resno: | sphery: seems you're suggesting i update my server |
| [19:33:05] | Oleg_: | no |
| [19:33:24] | Oleg_: | sphery, oh, you're right. I probably need to change the password |
| [19:33:33] | sphery: | (and if it was expired or you just signed up, you may need to wait a while--hours or a day) |
| [19:34:03] | sphery: | resno: update server? to get PCIe, you mean? |
| [19:34:14] | sphery: | you can use PCI ones, if you can find them... |
| [19:34:28] | resno: | sphery: yea, my server is a p4... pci-e wasnt invented |
| [19:34:38] | sphery: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards |
| [19:35:15] | sphery: | but they're a) hard to find, b) often more expensive than PCIe cards, c) usually take much more electricity than new ones |
| [19:35:28] | sphery: | I'm guessing the P4 is a dedicated backend, without a frontend on it, right? |
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| [19:36:07] | resno: | sphery: its not donig mythtv yet, but thats the idea |
| [19:36:37] | resno: | ive played with myth in other situations before... not client /server yet |
| [19:36:37] | sphery: | ok, it will be ok for a backend, but not very good for an HDTV-capable frontend |
| [19:36:46] | resno: | heh yea |
| [19:37:01] | sphery: | (ok for a backend--if you use analog encoders or digital capture, that is) |
| [19:37:39] | sphery: | i.e. not good for trying to capture video from analog frame grabbers--where mythtv would have to use the cpu to encode to mpeg for storage |
| [19:38:12] | sphery: | but with ota, you'll be doing digital capture of atsc, so it's basically just writing a file to disk |
| [19:39:11] | resno: | sphery: ha, ive used the frame grabbers... it was nightmare getting it configured and working |
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| [19:51:43] | rpg32: | hello |
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| [19:53:46] | rpg32: | anybody here familiar with setting up LIRC?? |
| [20:07:16] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [20:07:22] | skd5aner: | many people |
| [20:07:39] | skd5aner: | depends on your question or not whether anyway will be able to answer or not though |
| [20:17:21] | Scopeuk: | http://pastebin.com/QB3Fy4rg, for anyone running black gold hardware this is potentially intesting |
| [20:18:49] | wagnerrp: | they provide actual modules against a specific kernel? not objects that get linked against the kernel? |
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| [20:23:31] | sphery: | I can't claim to be familiar with setting up LIRC. My therapist says that I'm repressing memories of those experiences due to trauma. |
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| [20:35:04] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp, at the memonet yes |
| [20:35:31] | Scopeuk: | support claim a source release in the next few weeks will be interesting to see |
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| [20:49:31] | pyroprogramer: | ok I give, normally right after i join a irc room that can help I find a solution, not happening this time. Can anyone point me to the doc that shows how to get the guids to download corectly, ran fill database, and i have Scheduledirect downloading (something at least). Im not sure if the tuner isfully set up or not though, I crash whenever i try to watch live tv |
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| [20:52:51] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
| [20:55:03] | pyroprogramer: | analog, im being told this so i hope |
| [20:55:21] | wizbit: | i did a mythfrontend --reset |
| [20:55:27] | wagnerrp: | if youre not sure, what capture card are you using? |
| [20:55:43] | wizbit: | after i restarted mythfrontend, the display will not show because its now set at the wrong res |
| [20:55:46] | wizbit: | Desktop video mode: 1024x768 84.997 Hz |
| [20:55:49] | wizbit: | it should be 720x576 |
| [20:55:53] | wizbit: | how can i change it back? |
| [20:56:22] | wagnerrp: | sounds like its actually being rendered to the wrong output |
| [20:56:29] | wagnerrp: | i.e. VGA rather than svideo |
| [20:56:42] | wizbit: | im using vga |
| [20:56:54] | wagnerrp: | i thought you had an old CRT television |
| [20:57:07] | wizbit: | VGA >> RGB SCART CONVERTOR >> SCART >> TV |
| [20:57:31] | pyroprogramer: | hauppauge winTV PVR-150 [ivtv] |
| [20:57:43] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: shall i try xrandr |
| [20:57:51] | ** pyroprogramer is waiting to be told he did something stupid @.@ ** | |
| [20:58:02] | wagnerrp: | a -150 is definitely analog, is this direct tuning, or capture off an STB? |
| [20:58:44] | pyroprogramer: | um... *coughs* I have the coaxel directly....? |
| [20:58:53] | wagnerrp: | using resnet cable? |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | (resnet being student residence halls... you list as university of massachusetts) |
| [21:00:59] | pyroprogramer: | im off campus but it might go through that acording to roommate |
| [21:01:25] | pyroprogramer: | and thank you for bit of... patience |
| [21:01:35] | sphery: | pyroprogramer: you haven't done any scans for channels, right? |
| [21:01:46] | pyroprogramer: | I have |
| [21:01:53] | sphery: | pyroprogramer: you said you set up Schedules Direct lineup, so you should use that to create your channels |
| [21:01:56] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im just trying to confirm youre actually using analog cable with that |
| [21:02:15] | wagnerrp: | the SD lineup gets set up on the SD website |
| [21:02:20] | pyroprogramer: | my luck its not |
| [21:02:23] | wagnerrp: | you log in, and add your cable provider |
| [21:02:28] | sphery: | yeah, I'm basing my response on actually using analog cable + PVR-150 + Schedules Direct data |
| [21:02:29] | wagnerrp: | if you havent done so, it hasnt been done for you |
| [21:02:33] | pyroprogramer: | yes i choose the uni lineup |
| [21:02:53] | wagnerrp: | after which, when you configured your video source in mythtv-setup, you should have given it your SD login information |
| [21:03:04] | pyroprogramer: | I have |
| [21:03:07] | wagnerrp: | and pulled that university lineup from the account |
| [21:03:21] | sphery: | pyroprogramer: you should do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to delete the current info, then follow the "If you're (a North American user) using an analog source:" paragraph to set it up again using SD info |
| [21:03:59] | sphery: | it's important to get rid of the current stuff, first, though, so everything is configured correctly and you don't have "shadow" channels breaking things |
| [21:04:42] | pyroprogramer: | gotcha, lets give it a go, hopefully that gets it going |
| [21:07:39] | wizbit: | the frontend is crashing on |
| [21:07:40] | wizbit: | QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure: Invalid argument |
| [21:08:11] | pyroprogramer: | ok, I think i know what it was, I set up the connection and didnt have the lineup set before I configured.... running fillDatabase now, hopefully something will click |
| [21:09:31] | wizbit: | at last!!! |
| [21:09:33] | skd5aner: | make sure you're selecting the right provider and lineup |
| [21:09:33] | wizbit: | bingo |
| [21:09:40] | wizbit: | my crappy modelines |
| [21:09:48] | skd5aner: | if you are simply guessing, your lineups will all be wrong |
| [21:10:01] | wizbit: | <-- idiot |
| [21:10:13] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: also, not every cable provider still provides analog signals |
| [21:11:28] | pyroprogramer: | *nods* im hoping that isnt the case, he says there was never a thing out that said the had to go digital *crosses fingers* "Found 101 channels for source 1 which use grabber" <- wasnt there before so thats a plus |
| [21:12:49] | pyroprogramer: | on a random note, is it normal for while doing a filldatabase to get a "401 Unauthorized" sandwiched between 2 succefull calls.... |
| [21:13:44] | skd5aner: | I think so... it might try unauthenticated first |
| [21:14:25] | wizbit: | at last, a £50 silent HD frontend for £50 |
| [21:14:27] | wizbit: | Linux tv-1 2.6.37.6-mythtv.pxe #3 SMP Tue Feb 7 19:53:35 GMT 2012 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [21:15:57] | wizbit: | big buck bunny playing with vdpau |
| [21:15:57] | wizbit: | Cpu0 : 1.3%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
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| [21:16:01] | wizbit: | Cpu1 : 1.3%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [21:16:04] | wizbit: | excellent :D |
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| [21:17:49] | wizbit: | GeForce 210 0% 50 C |
| [21:17:52] | wizbit: | nice and cool |
| [21:20:17] | wizbit: | Core 0: +36.0�C (high = +74.0�C, crit = +100.0�C) |
| [21:20:24] | wizbit: | Core 1: +39.0�C (high = +74.0�C, crit = +100.0�C) |
| [21:20:42] | wizbit: | intel nic built in, and its silent |
| [21:23:35] | sphery: | used system or something? |
| [21:23:43] | sphery: | (for that price) |
| [21:23:52] | wagnerrp: | likely |
| [21:23:57] | wagnerrp: | whatever it is, its old |
| [21:24:05] | wagnerrp: | may have been unused stock HP never sold |
| [21:25:38] | pyroprogramer: | well I got the tv listing, default channel set to animal planet, launched front tried to enter live tv "TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started" |
| [21:26:02] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [21:26:13] | wagnerrp: | they will probably report you did something wrong, or missed some step |
| [21:26:17] | pyroprogramer: | where is there default location? |
| [21:26:40] | wagnerrp: | check 'ps' to see what options it is being run as |
| [21:26:53] | wagnerrp: | log file is specified with '-l' or '--logfile' |
| [21:27:01] | wagnerrp: | by default, mythtv just logs to the terminal |
| [21:27:42] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: are you using a mythtv based distribution? |
| [21:27:50] | pyroprogramer: | reading my nohup |
| [21:28:06] | pyroprogramer: | yes, mythdora, i think is the centos version.... |
| [21:28:17] | wagnerrp: | mythdora is fedora, not centos |
| [21:28:20] | skd5aner: | then it probably logs somewhere by default |
| [21:28:25] | wagnerrp: | and specifically, a very old fedora 12 |
| [21:28:44] | wagnerrp: | its more or less abandoned, and really shouldnt be used |
| [21:28:47] | pyroprogramer: | ah.. I yum installled... >.< |
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| [21:35:11] | wagnerrp: | awalls: do you know much about the -1600? |
| [21:35:23] | awalls: | HVR-1600? yes. |
| [21:35:51] | wagnerrp: | on a 32-bit system, the vmalloc issue might prevent two 1600s from operating in the same system |
| [21:36:01] | wagnerrp: | but is there anything that would cause that on a 64-bit system? |
| [21:36:05] | awalls: | Yes. But it is easily solved |
| [21:36:09] | wagnerrp: | (mythtvtalk question) |
| [21:36:31] | awalls: | Um not really with the normal kernel defaults. |
| [21:36:39] | awalls: | maybe the kernel has changed |
| [21:36:52] | awalls: | grep Vmalloc /proc/meminfo |
| [21:37:03] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps the guy was mistaken when he thought he reinstalled with 64-bit? |
| [21:37:04] | pyroprogramer: | http://pastebin.com/TUaTnT9z is the server output... something went wrong |
| [21:37:30] | wagnerrp: | pyroprogramer: the PVR-150 is an IVTV card |
| [21:37:43] | wagnerrp: | when you configured your tuner, there was a dropdown at the top to select a card type |
| [21:37:53] | wagnerrp: | there should be an IVTV or MPEG option available |
| [21:38:00] | pyroprogramer: | yes |
| [21:38:01] | wagnerrp: | you set it up as a V4L card type |
| [21:38:11] | awalls: | wagnerrp: Just have them check the Vmalloc info from /proc/meminfo |
| [21:38:25] | awalls: | It looks plain silly for a 64 bit system: |
| [21:38:50] | awalls: | VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB |
| [21:38:51] | awalls: | VmallocUsed: 419712 kB |
| [21:38:51] | awalls: | VmallocChunk: 34359297688 kB |
| [21:38:55] | wagnerrp: | like, petabytes worth of vmalloc space? |
| [21:39:01] | ** pyroprogramer facepalms ** | |
| [21:40:04] | awalls: | People for the Ethical Treatment of Animal Bytes |
| [21:40:13] | wagnerrp: | just how much space does a -150 typically consume? |
| [21:40:26] | awalls: | 64 kB comes to mind |
| [21:40:37] | pyroprogramer: | do i need to rerun filldatabase after switching that? I changed it to the ivtv and it still went down |
| [21:40:38] | wagnerrp: | my laptop (with no tinkering) lists 640MB of space, with a whopping 25MB used |
| [21:40:40] | awalls: | It's way samller then the -1600 |
| [21:40:44] | wagnerrp: | pyroprogramer: no |
| [21:41:05] | wagnerrp: | just delete your old tuner, add a new one of the proper type, and link your video source up to the new input |
| [21:41:07] | awalls: | lspci -v will show you the mmio windows used by the -150 |
| [21:41:44] | wagnerrp: | erm, not 150, 1600 |
| [21:42:19] | awalls: | 64M per -1600 for the windows into the register and memory space of the CX23418 |
| [21:42:21] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ill forward that on... thanks |
| [21:42:53] | awalls: | Also the module text (executable code) will take some Vmalloc space, but it's small |
| [21:43:31] | awalls: | Just remind the user that Vmalloc space for PCI MMIO windows is *not* system RAM. |
| [21:43:33] | pyroprogramer: | *crosses fingers* |
| [21:43:50] | awalls: | Some people get worried about "wasting" memory |
| [21:44:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, amusingly ive got 640MB of vmalloc space, and only 384MB of memory |
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| [21:44:49] | awalls: | Right, vmalloc addresses are addresses in a VM space. Nothing need ever by mapped. |
| [21:44:57] | awalls: | /be/ |
| [21:45:48] | awalls: | nvidia cards also use a 64 MB window in vmalloc space. |
| [21:46:17] | awalls: | So people with a 32 bit system and an nvdia card and cx18 card usually trip on the default vmalloc space limit |
| [21:46:36] | awalls: | Linux being stupid by default. :P |
| [21:46:43] | wagnerrp: | did something change with the default allocation for that in later kernels? |
| [21:46:56] | wagnerrp: | (as mentioned, i havent made any changes to that myself) |
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| [21:47:01] | awalls: | I'm not sure. I haven't run a 32-bit kernel at home in years. |
| [21:47:21] | awalls: | At work I don't play with video cards (yet). |
| [21:47:27] | wagnerrp: | and i have far more than the 128 and 256MB those help pages were listed as defaults |
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| [21:50:25] | awalls: | With many modern PCIe and PCI cards wanting large MMIO windows, maybe someone finally decided to change the default. |
| [21:52:10] | wizbit: | do you guys write documents on how you setup your boxes? |
| [21:52:31] | wagnerrp: | to some extent |
| [21:53:14] | wagnerrp: | i wrote up an explanation and some scripts on the iscsi boot process im using |
| [21:53:23] | awalls: | wagnerrp: Regarding multiple HVR-1600s in a system, I know of one user who regularly uses 3 simultaneous and mkrufky had 5 installed in a system once. |
| [21:53:31] | wagnerrp: | and then the ebuilds in our repository are handling the rest |
| [21:54:08] | wizbit: | i didnt realise you can boot a os with iscsi |
| [21:54:15] | awalls: | The user who has three running simultaneously both analog and digitial is why the cx18 driver is in such good shape. |
| [21:54:15] | wagnerrp: | i actually asked the guy to look through dmesg for driver errors, and lspci to see if theyre even showing up in the system (and not an irq issue) |
| [21:54:25] | wagnerrp: | but that was yesterday, havent heard back yet |
| [21:54:29] | awalls: | He forced me to work on reliability and throughput. |
| [21:54:31] | pyroprogramer: | ok, with ivtv -> http://pastebin.com/858X8Yxr and using the other Mjpeg option -> http://pastebin.com/xV1y0VkR both fail, the ivtv one is mentioning baout the drivers but i have the most up to date... |
| [21:54:44] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: then you know nothing about initrd/initramfs? |
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| [21:55:43] | wagnerrp: | im not actually sure what tuner cards you might use for mjpeg, maybe the plextors would behave that way |
| [21:55:45] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i do, i use that on my server |
| [21:55:52] | wagnerrp: | either way, the -150 does not |
| [21:56:17] | wizbit: | i just done a iperf test between my new frontend and server |
| [21:56:17] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: the initrd is a basic memory filesystem that you boot into |
| [21:56:19] | wizbit: | [ 3] 0.0–10.0 sec 1.06 GBytes 914 Mbits/sec |
| [21:56:38] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: yep, to load special drivers for RAID etc |
| [21:56:42] | wizbit: | if required |
| [21:56:42] | wagnerrp: | it can be packed into the server, stored in a separate file, or independently pulled over tftp |
| [21:56:49] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: what are you permissions on /dev/video0 ? |
| [21:56:59] | wagnerrp: | you can do anything you want inside an initrd |
| [21:57:03] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i do not use any initrd on my diskless frontend |
| [21:57:28] | wizbit: | i do on my server |
| [21:57:32] | wagnerrp: | thats because someone wrote up special behavior for NFS in linux, that performs all the necessary actions without one |
| [21:57:44] | wizbit: | yep, nfsroot |
| [21:57:47] | wagnerrp: | if there is no such special programming, you provide it yourself in the initrd |
| [21:57:56] | pyroprogramer: | rw------ though >.> im running it as root so it shouldnt run into that problem i would hope |
| [21:58:21] | wagnerrp: | in my case, a handful of kernel modules and applications, tied together with a script to run discovery on the iSCSI targets, connect to them, and mount them |
| [21:58:22] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: 3rd party raid drivers etc its also a good idea to load usb drivers for usb keyboard in busybox |
| [21:58:37] | wagnerrp: | once mounted, the kernel pivots into them, and continues with the boot process |
| [21:58:46] | wizbit: | interesting |
| [21:58:48] | awalls: | pyroprogramer: Do you have the v4l2-ctl utility installed? It can help with testing basic function of the card and driver. |
| [21:59:00] | wagnerrp: | or if mounting fails, and continues to fail after several retries, it drops back to an emergency terminal |
| [21:59:02] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: is iscsi faster than nfs |
| [21:59:19] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: what happens when you do a cat /dev/video0 > ~/test.mpg ? |
| [21:59:22] | skd5aner: | does the file grow? |
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| [21:59:33] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: generally, yes |
| [21:59:43] | wizbit: | nice |
| [21:59:56] | wagnerrp: | but thats not really why im using it |
| [22:00:04] | pyroprogramer: | yes it is growing |
| [22:00:20] | awalls: | mplayer test.mpg |
| [22:00:25] | wagnerrp: | im really using it just to have some swap space |
| [22:00:38] | wizbit: | do frontends need swap? |
| [22:00:52] | wagnerrp: | and the added convenience of having a virtual disk and partition, rather than an NFS share |
| [22:00:57] | wizbit: | ok |
| [22:01:04] | wizbit: | and good experience too |
| [22:01:13] | wagnerrp: | all machines should have swap, for emergencies |
| [22:01:25] | wizbit: | eeek |
| [22:01:27] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have swap, and run out of memory, bad things happen |
| [22:01:32] | wizbit: | :( |
| [22:01:32] | pyroprogramer: | one sec... i have to instlall mplayer >.> |
| [22:01:34] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: I wonder if it's because you're running v4l-v1 vs v4lv2 or something |
| [22:01:44] | skd5aner: | what kernel are you running? |
| [22:01:47] | wizbit: | -/+ buffers/cache: 237 1769 |
| [22:02:12] | skd5aner: | and, mythfrontend --version please |
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| [22:02:51] | pyroprogramer: | MythTV Version : v0.24.1-106-g31e9528 |
| [22:02:51] | pyroprogramer: | MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24 |
| [22:02:51] | pyroprogramer: | do you need the full? |
| [22:03:21] | wizbit: | i will leave some bonnie++ tests running tonight |
| [22:03:30] | wagnerrp: | leave them running? |
| [22:03:37] | wizbit: | yep they take a while to do |
| [22:03:40] | wagnerrp: | no they dont |
| [22:03:58] | pyroprogramer: | kernal: 2.6.18–274.7.1.el5 |
| [22:04:07] | wagnerrp: | yikes.... |
| [22:04:19] | awalls: | Ancient kernel. RHEL 5.5 ? |
| [22:04:29] | wagnerrp: | yes, you _really_ want to be using something other than CentOS 5.x |
| [22:04:36] | skd5aner: | yea... you probably are going to want a newer kernel and/or distro |
| [22:04:41] | pyroprogramer: | figures.... |
| [22:04:45] | skd5aner: | are you using this machine for anything BESDIES mythtv? |
| [22:04:50] | pyroprogramer: | no |
| [22:05:00] | skd5aner: | then may I persuade you to run mythbuntu? |
| [22:05:03] | pyroprogramer: | 512mb is not going to streatch for much else |
| [22:05:10] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/ |
| [22:05:14] | skd5aner: | yea, that is low |
| [22:05:22] | wagnerrp: | the IVTV drivers were really only pleasant to use in the .2x series and later |
| [22:05:30] | pyroprogramer: | maybe... though i do dislike buntu.. dont know why.... just dont |
| [22:05:38] | awalls: | I use Fedora, but modern Fedora won't install on a machine with 512MB easily |
| [22:05:39] | wagnerrp: | the .18 drivers werent bad, but the .14 and .16 drivers were downright painful to use |
| [22:05:49] | skd5aner: | 2.6.38 also leverages v4l2 and does away with v4l1 |
| [22:06:33] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: well, it doesn't really matter, since if you are only using it for a mythtv system, you don't really care about what lies underneath from an OS perspective |
| [22:06:46] | skd5aner: | (for the most part, besides system admin/maintanence) |
| [22:06:51] | pyroprogramer: | true, ill just miss being yummy XP |
| [22:07:25] | skd5aner: | but, the mythbuntu guys do a great job of trying to produce a distro that "just works" for mythtv, and can easily handle updates as well |
| [22:07:46] | skd5aner: | I'd recommend mythdora, but as wagnerrp said it looks as though they are kind of abandonning it |
| [22:08:00] | pyroprogramer: | well why not... |
| [22:08:32] | skd5aner: | I don't know how painful your 512MB of ram is going to be... although ram is cheap... what kind of machine is this? |
| [22:08:42] | pyroprogramer: | I will admit to being a little off btw that you have to have a xserver for setup.. i was hoping for pure cli |
| [22:09:03] | wagnerrp: | pyroprogramer: well you obviously need X to run the frontend |
| [22:09:11] | wagnerrp: | the backend itself actually is completely command-line based |
| [22:09:26] | wagnerrp: | but you need at minimum the X libraries, and a remote X server, to run the backend setup utility |
| [22:09:27] | skd5aner: | well... my mbe is headless, and I just xforward whenever I need to use mythtv-setup on it |
| [22:09:41] | skd5aner: | ^ like wagnerrp pointed out |
| [22:09:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is being transitioned to a web-based setup, built into mythbackend |
| [22:09:50] | skd5aner: | ^and that too |
| [22:09:50] | pyroprogramer: | yea thats the part that through me off |
| [22:09:52] | pyroprogramer: | ah |
| [22:09:58] | wagnerrp: | however that will not be available until likely 0.26 |
| [22:10:05] | skd5aner: | Don't expect it withing the next 6–10 months though |
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| [22:10:34] | pyroprogramer: | and the machine is... ready for the dump XP |
| [22:11:31] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: sometimes starting from scratch (when it's easy to do) is the easiest "big hammer" solution... good luck |
| [22:12:14] | pyroprogramer: | yea im downloading mythbuntu now, have nothing to lose |
| [22:12:26] | pyroprogramer: | wish i could just junk it but the poket bok really cant handle that |
| [22:14:11] | skd5aner: | what kind of processor? |
| [22:14:28] | wagnerrp: | really doesnt matter, since its just SD MPEG2 |
| [22:14:34] | skd5aner: | just curious |
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| [22:14:58] | pyroprogramer: | feel to lazy to go look... what the cmd for pulling that? |
| [22:15:07] | awalls: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [22:15:10] | pyroprogramer: | I really need to brush up more on my nix |
| [22:15:11] | skd5aner: | who knows – he could leverage mythvideo with large videos |
| [22:15:48] | pyroprogramer: | cpu family : 6 |
| [22:15:48] | pyroprogramer: | model : 6 |
| [22:15:48] | pyroprogramer: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor |
| [22:15:48] | pyroprogramer: | stepping : 2 |
| [22:15:48] | pyroprogramer: | cpu MHz : 1045.611 |
| [22:15:49] | pyroprogramer: | cache size : 256 KB |
| [22:15:54] | wagnerrp: | better to just get a bluray player, rather than try to rip and play them in mythtv |
| [22:15:58] | skd5aner: | wow... |
| [22:16:00] | pyroprogramer: | and forgive me for spamming.... |
| [22:16:07] | ** skd5aner forgives... this time ** | |
| [22:16:08] | awalls: | Single core, huh? |
| [22:16:20] | skd5aner: | not just single core... OLD school |
| [22:16:21] | wagnerrp: | an old t-bird |
| [22:16:47] | awalls: | Looks like the dying HP laptop I have downstairs |
| [22:16:53] | ** pyroprogramer bows to skd5aner for the forgiveness ** | |
| [22:16:58] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: and, if he's using it as a backend too, he'll be competing with any user jobs such as commflag |
| [22:17:23] | wagnerrp: | again, with SD MPEG2, and only one tuner to have to deal with |
| [22:17:40] | awalls: | Its passable |
| [22:17:46] | skd5aner: | and whatever window manager mythbuntu runs |
| [22:17:56] | skd5aner: | awalls: yea, exactly |
| [22:18:03] | pyroprogramer: | and nothing will be ran on it but myth... well i might throw some random fil storage on it to... |
| [22:18:08] | wagnerrp: | most of us ran a backend on a similar system at one time or another |
| [22:18:27] | skd5aner: | I know I did... back in the 0.14 days |
| [22:18:27] | wagnerrp: | just be aware that if you start picking up multiple tuners, or get a large collection of recording rules |
| [22:18:37] | wagnerrp: | you could start running into performance issues |
| [22:19:05] | skd5aner: | manually schedule mythfilldatabase to run during off-hours, don't let it autopick for you |
| [22:19:13] | pyroprogramer: | gotcha, though another tuner isnt going to happen.. |
| [22:19:28] | pyroprogramer: | of course |
| [22:19:33] | skd5aner: | on my system, it can bring it to a crawl, and I have 8 cores :-O |
| [22:19:58] | pyroprogramer: | *whistles* ok, ill make sure to do it for sure |
| [22:20:23] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: eight? |
| [22:20:30] | pyroprogramer: | my roomate is claiming an older version ran without problems.. i keep wanting to tell him to shove it on his whinning about that |
| [22:20:31] | awalls: | Two tuners will probably be OK. |
| [22:20:36] | ** skd5aner is sure that his lineup and recording rule situation makes the issue exponentially worse ** | |
| [22:20:40] | wagnerrp: | running a multi-socket server over there? |
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| [22:21:36] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: actually, the issue is just more that youve got the database tied up with a single-threaded task |
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| [22:21:51] | pyroprogramer: | the iso for mythbuntu dosent seem to working for me at the moment any mirrors? |
| [22:21:56] | wagnerrp: | so one core versus eight makes little difference |
| [22:22:36] | skd5aner: | skd5aner: er, sorry... 4 (was thinking of my other windows machine that is quad core + hyperthreading) |
| [22:22:52] | wagnerrp: | talking to yourself these days... |
| [22:22:56] | wagnerrp: | sometimes i worry about you |
| [22:22:57] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, that's the exact issue by the way |
| [22:23:10] | skd5aner: | lol... |
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| [22:23:25] | skd5aner: | Beirdo stole my meds |
| [22:24:58] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: not sure on mirrors... you could ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [22:25:01] | awalls: | For video capture from the MPEG cards, PCI bus utilization and interrupt handling latency matter most |
| [22:25:25] | pyroprogramer: | i found one desktop iso... |
| [22:25:51] | skd5aner: | Well, you could install ubuntu and then install mythbuntu on top of it, but I don't recommend it |
| [22:26:18] | skd5aner: | you'll get a bunch of other crap installed that you don't need... I think the mythbuntu distro keeps it a little leaner if installed directly from their ISO |
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| [22:32:17] | tgm4883: | pyroprogramer, what do you mean? |
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| [22:33:59] | pyroprogramer: | http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06934 is what i had to go through, the download links to the page that didnt work, then the next link for a desktop iso worked |
| [22:34:06] | skd5aner: | I wonder if "The River" on ABC is something I'd care to try out |
| [22:34:20] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: I wouldn't install vanilila ubuntu desktop |
| [22:34:44] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: do you enjoy suspenseful, but not particularly scary, ghost movies? |
| [22:34:45] | skd5aner: | pyroprogramer: the link seems to work for me – http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu . . . top-i386.iso |
| [22:35:01] | tgm4883: | I wish distrowatch wouldn't abuse our servers |
| [22:35:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: suspense – yes, horror – no, ghosts – not usually |
| [22:35:15] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: walking dead – yes |
| [22:35:28] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [22:35:35] | wizbit: | can mythmusic display a list of albums instead of artists? |
| [22:35:38] | wagnerrp: | walking dead turned into a primetime soap opera |
| [22:35:52] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: season 2 dragged on the story line way to long |
| [22:35:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I agree with that |
| [22:36:08] | tgm4883: | unfortunately from the previews it doesn't look like it's going to get better |
| [22:36:16] | pyroprogramer: | same file... diffrent sources... or at least the name is the same, so maybe watch set up a mirror |
| [22:36:31] | tgm4883: | pyroprogramer, no, they are abusing one of our mirrors |
| [22:36:46] | pyroprogramer: | ah... bad on them |
| [22:36:48] | tgm4883: | we have a round robin script to distribute the load |
| [22:37:04] | tgm4883: | sounds like one of our mirrors went south though if you had an issue with it |
| [22:37:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: if only there were a way you could record, "The River," and then choose whether to watch it, later... |
| [22:37:09] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: is it a blind round robin, or dynamic based on the load of the mirror? |
| [22:37:13] | tgm4883: | I'd bet if you clicked it again, it would work |
| [22:37:16] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, blind |
| [22:37:35] | pyroprogramer: | yea i refreshed instead of following the link |
| [22:37:37] | tgm4883: | it's semi smart, as our mirrors told us how much bandwidth we could use and counts |
| [22:37:39] | skd5aner: | sphery: I do that already, a lot... |
| [22:37:55] | skd5aner: | sphery: just wondering if this time I even care... I'll probably check out the pilot I guess |
| [22:38:01] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, figured you would, but had to say it after your comment :) |
| [22:38:29] | sphery: | (just another comment helping to promote my "no Live TV agenda") |
| [22:38:32] | wizbit: | grrr i wish myth music would display the albums just like they are in my music directory |
| [22:38:44] | skd5aner: | alcatraz has been surprisingly better than I imaginged |
| [22:38:45] | wizbit: | i dont know who the artists are on most of them |
| [22:39:26] | skd5aner: | I never ever use livetv for anything I actually would want to watch – I use it for background noise or when my focus on tv is going to be less than 50% |
| [22:39:53] | skd5aner: | and sometimes for sports – when I don't want to setup a recording rule simply to keep football on all day on Sunday |
| [22:41:16] | sphery: | I was upset that some sports event caused an episode of Alcatraz to start about 25min late--but then I realized it was a re-run episode, where the original airing did 2 episodes together, so I already had the full episode in a "combo pack" |
| [22:42:04] | sphery: | that's one I'm hoping I'll like, so I was upset about possibly missing an early episode |
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| [22:42:31] | wizbit: | to hell with that |
| [22:42:34] | ** wizbit loads mocp ** | |
| [22:43:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, anytime a show beats my expectations, that's a good thing (even if my expectations are low) |
| [22:44:10] | skd5aner: | a lot of shows I loved have been cancelled over the past several years and replaced with crap – so I feel jaded on most broadcast tv premiers |
| [22:44:52] | skd5aner: | and... I recorded "The Firm" with very low expectations and it's now a show I want to watch the same night it records |
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| [22:45:00] | skd5aner: | very movie-like |
| [22:45:04] | skd5aner: | (for NBC) |
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| [22:47:10] | skd5aner: | dinner – later |
| [22:48:39] | sphery: | that's good to hear... I also had low expectations for The Firm, so it would be nice if it turned out to be good. |
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| [22:54:27] | pyroprogramer: | *sigh* the thing i hate about trying distros... wait to download, then burn, then install.... blarg |
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| [23:46:05] | wasutton3_: | has anyone used this before? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4 and if so, what sort of strain does it put on a network? |
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| [23:46:58] | skd5aner: | shouldn't take any network strain... it's a PCIe ecard |
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| [23:47:07] | skd5aner: | er, "card" |
| [23:47:58] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: my plan is to have up to 7 mythtv clients connecting to it over the network |
| [23:48:14] | wasutton3_: | have a central server or backend |
| [23:48:29] | skd5aner: | but, the card wouldn't be the limitation... |
| [23:48:46] | skd5aner: | so, you want to have a single backend and 7 frontends connecting to it? |
| [23:48:58] | skd5aner: | would all 7 frontends be watching content at the same time? |
| [23:49:01] | wasutton3_: | no, of course not. the individual streams would |
| [23:49:07] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: potentially |
| [23:49:19] | skd5aner: | well, with gigabit ethernet, shouldn't be an issue at al |
| [23:49:26] | skd5aner: | all |
| [23:49:36] | wasutton3_: | Ok so a single gigabit line should be able to handle all that. |
| [23:49:56] | skd5aner: | most likely... |
| [23:50:05] | skd5aner: | anything that card would record that is |
| [23:51:00] | wasutton3_: | what do you mean, anything the card would record? |
| [23:51:09] | skd5aner: | if you had higher bit-rate sources then you could potentially have issues in the worst case scenario... but the likelyhood of you watching super-high bitrate sources simultaneously on 7 frontends would have to be very small I would imagine |
| [23:51:36] | wasutton3_: | assuming 7 full hd streams |
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| [23:51:48] | skd5aner: | well, streaming an uncompressed 1080p blu-ray would be substantially more taxing than a 1080i broadcast stream |
| [23:52:05] | sphery: | note, also, that the Ceton InfiniTV isn't officially supported by any released version of MythTV, though |
| [23:52:40] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: i know, im planning ahead for a project in a year or so |
| [23:52:44] | skd5aner: | there is unofficial support though, and the next version of MythTV that does support it is predicted to be released within a month or two |
| [23:52:57] | sphery: | Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Prime is supported, but you may have to do more work to get the Ceton working with current mythtv |
| [23:53:41] | sphery: | (more work may include applying unsupported patches and compiling yourself) |
| [23:54:59] | wasutton3_: | sphery: hmmmm that is an option, but i would need 3 to meet my needs |
| [23:56:00] | skd5aner: | wasutton3_: can you describe your scenario/needs? |
| [23:56:22] | skd5aner: | wasutton3_: do you need more than 3/4 tuners? |
| [23:57:05] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: I am planning on upgrading to fios, and rather than paying $8~ per set top box per month, id rather get these cards and hook up a raspberry pi to each tv |
| [23:57:27] | Seeker`: | mythtv isn't running on a pi yet |
| [23:57:28] | skd5aner: | well, the raspberry pi is a totally different topic |
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| [23:57:32] | wasutton3_: | I'm not sure about that, I was thinking getting one to start, and move up if i need to. |
| [23:57:55] | skd5aner: | but, you don't need the same # of tuners as you have tv's or frontends... |
| [23:58:03] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: yes, it definitely is. but even if it isnt that, but is some *other* similarly sized machine, that would be ideal |
| [23:58:05] | sphery: | the next version of mythtv will have some support for Ceton, but it's not scheduled for release until Apr or so |
| [23:58:39] | skd5aner: | unless you plan to watch live tv, on each frontend independantly, but that's incredibly inneficient and goes against the key functionalities of mythtv – a DVR and scheduled recordings |
| [23:58:42] | sphery: | there aren't many usb-stick-sized machines available out there |
| [23:58:44] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: no, i dont. But i have roommates who have additional tvs. |
| [23:59:34] | wasutton3_: | skd5aner: yes it does go against the idea, but it turns out its cheaper in the long run to do the cablecards vs renting the set top boxes which are required for each tv anyways |
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