| Monday, February 6th, 2012, 00:19 UTC | ||
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| [00:30:05] | Beirdo: | some screaming woman just got taken down by the cops... right outside my apartment. |
| [00:30:08] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [00:30:21] | Beirdo: | "Stop running or I'll taze you"... zzzzzzooooottttt |
| [00:32:42] | Technophil: | Video? |
| [00:33:16] | Beirdo: | You crazy? |
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| [00:34:17] | Beirdo: | I'll let her get zapped on her own time, thanks. I ain't sticking my head out into the direct path of ammunition |
| [00:34:44] | Beirdo: | OK, first attempt at making a baseball cap... Failure. FLUSH |
| [00:36:36] | Beirdo: | got me the wrong angles on those triangle pieces.. It might fit a conehead. |
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| [00:39:09] | Beirdo: | I should find an old cap to disassemble, I think |
| [00:42:49] | wagnerrp: | is barney fife gonna have to taze a bitch? |
| [00:43:20] | Beirdo: | she ate pavement |
| [00:43:33] | wagnerrp: | cement sandwich? |
| [00:43:56] | Beirdo: | dunno why they were chasing her, but sheesh... Cops tell you to stop, you will be in a lot less pain if you stop |
| [00:44:33] | wagnerrp: | clearly she was being framed for murder by the one armed woman |
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| [01:01:18] | MylesMan: | hi all, i cant get dvd playback to work in '24+fixes qith all the right codecs installed |
| [01:01:28] | MylesMan: | with* |
| [01:01:32] | wagnerrp: | what codecs? |
| [01:01:41] | [R]: | what does the error from the frontend say |
| [01:01:49] | MylesMan: | one sec |
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| [01:08:59] | MylesMan: | do u waant the whole of the output? |
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| [01:09:28] | [R]: | well i did ask for the error |
| [01:09:28] | wagnerrp: | from where you tried to play is sufficient |
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| [01:10:04] | Beirdo: | to a pastebin, of course :) |
| [01:10:20] | wagnerrp: | jya: re #8717, is it possible that error could only exhibit itself specifically when playing an ISO? |
| [01:13:47] | MylesMan: | http://pastebin.com/abN6yhCe |
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| [01:13:59] | MylesMan: | there you go :) |
| [01:14:29] | MylesMan: | if it matters its a burnt dvd |
| [01:14:59] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [01:15:11] | wagnerrp: | patrick warburton is simply too much awesomness for mythtv |
| [01:15:23] | MylesMan: | its the cartoon |
| [01:15:29] | MylesMan: | lol tho |
| [01:16:45] | wagnerrp: | is this an actual DVD? |
| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | or an iso? |
| [01:17:53] | MylesMan: | actual |
| [01:18:12] | [R]: | its possible to burn dvds with the encrytipon on them still? |
| [01:18:24] | MylesMan: | lol |
| [01:18:27] | wagnerrp: | of course |
| [01:18:37] | wagnerrp: | the VOBs are encrypted, not the disk itself |
| [01:19:18] | wagnerrp: | CSS doesnt prevent copying, just unauthorized playback |
| [01:19:35] | MylesMan: | is that directed at moi? |
| [01:19:42] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:19:50] | [R]: | hrm, always thoughty ou had to decrypt it |
| [01:20:10] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [01:20:11] | wagnerrp: | no, 'dd' will make a duplicate of the image on disk, decryption and all |
| [01:20:32] | wagnerrp: | or you can just copy the VIDEO_TS onto your hard drive, and it will remain encrypted there too |
| [01:20:38] | wagnerrp: | s/decryption/encryption/ |
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| [01:22:29] | MylesMan: | any ideas wagner? |
| [01:22:37] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:23:30] | MylesMan: | also i dont have a dvd settings menu in setup |
| [01:23:42] | MylesMan: | > media settings |
| [01:25:14] | MylesMan: | is that normal in .24 |
| [01:28:01] | MylesMan: | ? |
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| [02:08:55] | Technophil: | Can anyone tell me how to get a composite SD feed out from a frontend when playing DVB-T recordings, including 1080i? This would be to downscale them to SD and feed a modulator that I have? I've assumed this can't be done using vdpau as no vdpau card I know of has a composite output, only component, VGA, DVI and HDMI. However one can run these at reduced screen resolutions. Can anyone advance this? |
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| [02:10:21] | [R]: | i think the nvidia 8400's have analog out |
| [02:10:40] | [R]: | just use any video card with an analog out... |
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| [02:11:07] | Technophil: | [R]: and use CPU decoding? |
| [02:13:58] | [R]: | sure |
| [02:14:02] | [R]: | like i saidthe |
| [02:14:06] | [R]: | the 8400 has analog |
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| [02:19:29] | Technophil: | [R]: I thought it was just component (and S-Video) via their break out adapters, not composite. I can't find one with a composite out. |
| [02:19:57] | Technophil: | an >= 8400 that is. |
| [02:20:18] | wagnerrp: | a cheap adapter with a resistor/capacitor network turns svideo into composite |
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| [02:20:50] | wagnerrp: | and most video cards capable of svideo are in fact also capable of composite |
| [02:22:59] | Technophil: | Thanks guys, I'll check that out. I am guessing one would have to set the screen definition at 576 lines for it to work then? Or would it automatically downscale to SD? |
| [02:24:06] | wagnerrp: | the graphics card will downscale as necessary |
| [02:25:37] | Technophil: | OK, so I should be able to cold boot a working frontend with just a composite then.... I'll give it a shot. |
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| [02:54:01] | Beirdo: | Take 2 on the baseball cap (without the bill yet) is much much better, but is still too small. At least the shape is correct now |
| [02:55:07] | Beirdo: | and I now understand all too well the function of the button on the top of a cap. |
| [02:55:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:56:18] | wagnerrp: | because its damned hard to sew together the apex of multiple curved surfaces? |
| [02:56:52] | wagnerrp: | so they just say "screw it", and cover it up with a button |
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| [03:16:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:16:18] | Beirdo: | kinda |
| [03:16:42] | Beirdo: | the bulk at the apex is the issue |
| [03:17:15] | Beirdo: | so you cut the tips off, pretty much, and sew up to where the tip would be (less seam allowance) |
| [03:17:24] | Beirdo: | but then there's a hole there. |
| [03:17:27] | wagnerrp: | right, theres too many layers of folded over fabric from multiple joined surfaces to sew through |
| [03:17:46] | Beirdo: | and the button fills the hole and holds it all together neatly |
| [03:18:11] | Beirdo: | this attempt needs about 1" more length on the pieces |
| [03:18:23] | Beirdo: | but other than than, fits just great |
| [03:18:49] | Beirdo: | just don't have enough to turn it under and attach a sweatband... or the bill :) |
| [03:20:06] | Beirdo: | and I need an iron |
| [03:20:27] | Beirdo: | heh. Here I go getting MORE domesticated |
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| [04:03:23] | Bobbie: | Is there a way of setting the size of the screen? I still have an old SD TV and I just installed mythbuntu 11.10 and the screen is bigger than my TV so I lose out on a lot of info/image on the outside of the TV |
| [04:04:58] | wagnerrp: | in the frontend setup, there is a 'screen setup wizard' |
| [04:05:06] | Bobbie: | I tried the screen resizer in Myth but after I lined up the arrows to the corners and saved it the screen refreshed and it was greatly undersized. |
| [04:05:17] | wagnerrp: | it lets you tell mythtv the extents of your screen, and will resize the UI to fit |
| [04:05:34] | wagnerrp: | there is a bit of a bug in it, where if you try to use it twice, you screw it up horribly |
| [04:05:53] | wagnerrp: | make sure the offsets are set to zero, or force them to zero by resetting the screen |
| [04:06:01] | wagnerrp: | prior to changing anything using that |
| [04:06:38] | Bobbie: | well I didn't do that, I did notice the offsets had values in them |
| [04:08:28] | sphery: | the offsets are set to zero (in the Utilities/Setup|Appearance settings) |
| [04:08:46] | wagnerrp: | well more correctly, they can be modified directly there |
| [04:09:06] | wagnerrp: | i.e. if you get it close using the wizard, you can further fine tune the values in that screen |
| [04:09:10] | sphery: | don't they have to be zero before you enter screen wizard? |
| [04:09:26] | sphery: | oh, I see what you mean, yeah |
| [04:09:30] | wagnerrp: | they have to be zero for the wizard to work properly |
| [04:09:39] | wagnerrp: | they do not have to be zero to use the wizard |
| [04:09:42] | wagnerrp: | hence the problem |
| [04:10:13] | wagnerrp: | and there is a menu option in the wizard to reset the values to zero |
| [04:10:43] | Bobbie: | Well that didn't work |
| [04:10:59] | wagnerrp: | Bobbie: if done properly, it will work for mythtv |
| [04:11:13] | wagnerrp: | however note, those values have no meaning outside of mythtv's own UI |
| [04:11:21] | wagnerrp: | other applications will be unaffected by changes made there |
| [04:11:36] | Bobbie: | the images is still off the screen to the top and to the left but it's now about 4 inches short on the right and the bottom |
| [04:12:10] | wagnerrp: | reset those values to zero, either using the option in the wizard, or the page sphery linked to |
| [04:12:29] | wagnerrp: | then make sure those arrows are exactly at the top left and bottom right of your television |
| [04:12:47] | Bobbie: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure how you could do it wrong really. It seems pretty straight forward. Line the arrows up with the corners of the screen |
| [04:13:47] | Bobbie: | I went into appearence and set the off sets to 0, then when to screen wizard and lines the arrowns up to the corners. Hit M on the keyboard and selects Save and quit |
| [04:14:29] | Bobbie: | the screen refreshed and the menu went back to the main myth screen. All that happened was the bottom righ corner moved 4 inches up and to the left. |
| [04:15:16] | wagnerrp: | as an example, my svideo out on an NV8400 is set to 581x430+23+20 |
| [04:15:28] | wagnerrp: | WxH+x+y |
| [04:15:51] | wagnerrp: | with the X server itself set to 640x480 |
| [04:19:26] | Bobbie: | wagnerrp: well I just went to do some playing. I went into the wizard and reset the screen. Then I went into appearence and set the x offset to 500 and nothing changed. I then set it to -500 and it all stayed the same. |
| [04:20:20] | Bobbie: | if I set my xserver to 640x480 I only get a small fraction of the screen. It's like screen resizes but the desktop doesn't. Completely different behaviour then what I get in Myth |
| [04:20:50] | wagnerrp: | well then something external is doing bad things with your xorg.conf |
| [04:21:48] | wagnerrp: | since anything output over svideo is rescaled to 640x480 (or maybe 720x480) anyway |
| [04:21:53] | Bobbie: | wagnerrp: well it wouldn't surprise me. It took about 10 attempts to get mythbuntu 11.10 installed. |
| [04:23:27] | sphery: | Bobbie: often the window manager refuses to re-place the window... |
| [04:24:07] | sphery: | you almost definitely need to set it to 0's (then for good measure, restart mythfrontend), then use the appearance wizard to set it properly, then restart mythfrontend |
| [04:25:08] | Bobbie: | sphery: Ok I'll give that a try |
| [04:25:12] | sphery: | (FWIW, mythfrontend is requesting that the window manager reposition the window, but some refuse the request--or probably wouldn't work without a window manager) |
| [04:27:38] | tgm4883: | 10 attempts to get mythbuntu 11.10 installed? |
| [04:28:38] | sphery: | the 11.10th is the charm |
| [04:29:53] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... should download some of that. |
| [04:30:32] | Beirdo: | I have the potential of some free (oldish) laptops from work |
| [04:30:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:33:43] | Bobbie: | sphery, well that worked, sort off. A lot of tweaking in Appearence but I got it sorted out |
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| [04:35:44] | Bobbie: | tgm4883. yah about 10 times. I kept getting this bug <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubi . . . g/220961> |
| [04:36:32] | Bobbie: | I don't understand but if I tried to split my install up into seperate partitions, I'd crash, one big partition worked in the end |
| [04:36:58] | tgm4883: | odd |
| [04:37:08] | Bobbie: | tgm4883: to say the least |
| [04:37:59] | Bobbie: | hasn't been a good week for me and debian/ubuntu |
| [04:38:18] | Bobbie: | well I'm off to enjoy a movie now. thanks for the help |
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| [04:41:31] | sphery: | cue replies to my latest post, "Nuh, uh! I just copied binary data files over and didn't do anything else and it worked, so obviously that's the best way!" |
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| [04:49:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and... yet more news to back the reasoning for fark to have a 'florida' tag |
| [04:49:24] | sphery: | hehe, which is this? |
| [04:49:47] | wagnerrp: | woman claims she isnt going to pass a field soberiety test because she "is big chested and wont balance well" |
| [04:49:48] | sphery: | ah, no license plate guy? |
| [04:49:55] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [04:50:03] | wagnerrp: | upon being unable to walk a straight line, she proceeds to start dancing |
| [04:50:23] | wagnerrp: | and then strips to prove how large breasted she is, such that it would affect balance |
| [04:50:36] | sphery: | wow |
| [05:12:36] | jya: | wagnerrp: being a 0.23 DVD, and knowing the issues in 0.22 and 0.23 playing DTS audio, I'm willing to assume that it's not the case |
| [05:12:54] | jya: | found an AVI that myth can't play, an AVI with a AC3 audio track |
| [05:13:03] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [05:13:24] | wagnerrp: | just seemed odd testing an mkv, and saying that means dvd/dts would work |
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| [05:14:28] | jya: | the way I read it is more to do with when DTS is the only audio track |
| [05:14:48] | wagnerrp: | im actually a bit surprised there are such DVDs |
| [05:15:07] | jya: | as far as I'm concerned and based on my level on knowledge, I can only look at it from an audio perspective. Which tells me here that the audio framework handle perfectly fine a track with DTS |
| [05:15:33] | jya: | he said he used DVD Fab |
| [05:15:40] | jya: | to rip the DVD and only keeps the DTS track |
| [05:16:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, these were his own isos, rather than the original content |
| [05:16:21] | jya: | yes, hence why I ripped the file too |
| [05:16:44] | jya: | if it's about the ISO not playing when it has a DVD track, then it's a duplicate of #8517 |
| [05:17:01] | jya: | which has been marked as fixed |
| [05:20:09] | jya: | I just applied a few set of updates to my ubuntu 9.10 LTS ; so many things don't play anymore. The bluray (Ratatouille) I started to watch yesterday, now plays a half speed only :( |
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| [07:37:00] | wizbit: | there is roughly a 1 second delay with every menu option on mythtv menus, is that because database queries are happening in the background? |
| [07:37:21] | wagnerrp: | depends on the menu |
| [07:37:23] | wizbit: | the green osd menu is _fast_ |
| [07:37:32] | wizbit: | 'watch recordings' |
| [07:37:53] | wagnerrp: | you mean when you hit 'm', or when you first enter 'watch recordings'? |
| [07:38:11] | wizbit: | i mean the main menu what is controlled by your remote |
| [07:38:22] | wizbit: | even menus and submenus have about a 1 second delay |
| [07:38:36] | wagnerrp: | the main menu is all just xml and images |
| [07:38:39] | wizbit: | utitlites / setup (wait 1 second) >> nextmenu |
| [07:38:47] | wagnerrp: | there should be no database access needed |
| [07:38:56] | wizbit: | right so its just the images in the theme |
| [07:39:11] | wagnerrp: | which should be pre-scaled and cached in ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [07:39:20] | wizbit: | lets check |
| [07:39:30] | wagnerrp: | so unless youre otherwise under heavy disk IO on whatever directory your home is mounted under.. |
| [07:39:57] | wizbit: | drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv users 12288 Feb 6 07:37 MythCenter.644.540 |
| [07:40:01] | wizbit: | thats right now |
| [07:40:41] | wizbit: | later on i need to do some NFS speed tests |
| [07:40:46] | wizbit: | maybe thats the problem |
| [07:42:41] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: have you ever used diskless frontends with nfs? |
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| [07:42:59] | wagnerrp: | not for maybe three years |
| [07:43:22] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: did you notice any disk access issues? |
| [07:43:58] | wagnerrp: | ive always found my menu latency to be more due to the remote, than the disk/net/database |
| [07:44:36] | wizbit: | if i move up and down a menu, its instant fast |
| [07:44:48] | wizbit: | but if i select, there are delays |
| [07:45:05] | wagnerrp: | if youre using the opengl renderer, there will be a short fading transition between different levels of the menu |
| [07:45:10] | wagnerrp: | if thats the delay youre seeing |
| [07:45:27] | wagnerrp: | if opengl is borked, it could just be slow, and you dont notice the fade |
| [07:45:48] | wizbit: | i dont notice any fade |
| [07:45:51] | wizbit: | and opengl is on |
| [07:45:53] | wizbit: | right.... |
| [07:46:16] | wizbit: | QT is on, its a little bit faster |
| [07:46:44] | wizbit: | i will redo my whole frontend in 64-bit later |
| [07:46:46] | wizbit: | start fresh |
| [07:47:35] | wizbit: | does feel faster now :D |
| [07:48:28] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: what would be a good way to test disk i/o on my diskless client? |
| [07:48:40] | wagnerrp: | bonnie? |
| [07:49:07] | wizbit: | right ok, ill do that later |
| [07:49:15] | wizbit: | ill run bonnie on the server as well |
| [07:49:49] | wizbit: | bonnie++ -d /tmp/ -s 16g -m server_name -f -b -u mythtv |
| [07:50:19] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: and iperf for network speed |
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| [17:01:37] | skd5aner: | they're dropping like flies – http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/ . . . uts-down.ars |
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| [17:09:52] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: have a lot of those shut down recently |
| [17:10:07] | skd5aner: | well, just on the back of the megaupload take-down |
| [17:10:16] | sphery: | the only problem is that it's not actually fixing/attacking the problem... The problem isn't sites that make it easy to search torrents or to upload files, but the problem is that people use those sites to illegally share copyrighted content |
| [17:10:20] | wagnerrp: | and you know, two sites, its a pandemic! |
| [17:10:24] | skd5aner: | and historically, several other well known torrent sites have been targetted |
| [17:10:54] | wagnerrp: | dare i say... its a disaster?!?! |
| [17:10:59] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 |
| [17:11:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there was also megaupload |
| [17:11:26] | sphery: | er, I mean filesonic |
| [17:11:34] | sphery: | and I think there were 2 or 3 others |
| [17:11:34] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well, not exactly – but I would guess, as was in this case, that other illegal or "gray" sites are feeling the pressure and asking themselves if they want to be in the crosshairs of the DOJ or not |
| [17:11:38] | wagnerrp: | filesonic? never even heard of them |
| [17:11:46] | sphery: | nor had I |
| [17:11:54] | sphery: | but there are a bunch of them shutting down because of this |
| [17:11:55] | wagnerrp: | were they caught in one of those blanket DNS seizures? |
| [17:12:15] | skd5aner: | voluntary shutdowns |
| [17:12:24] | ** wagnerrp points at the wonderful video ** | |
| [17:12:52] | sphery: | seems megaupload got shut down by authorities, but filesonic, filejungle, fileserve, uploadstation--and now btjunkie--have shut down voluntarily |
| [17:14:01] | ** skd5aner can't wait until Dec 13, 2012 so I don't have to watch continuing end-of-the-world coverage mixed in with non-stop election coverage ** | |
| [17:14:59] | skd5aner: | the story about the guy who owned megaupload is so... spectacularly tabloid-y |
| [17:15:05] | skd5aner: | "Kim Dotcom" |
| [17:15:12] | sphery: | so, the US government gets to say, "See, we fixed the problem." Then a few guys from Hong Kong go to jail. Then new sites get put up, with better "bouncers" to keep out "undesirables" (based on their community's definition of the word "undesirable"), then the problem gets worse--and outsiders can't even track it |
| [17:15:53] | sphery: | after all, people don't kill people, guns kill people |
| [17:15:53] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you mean the repeat credit card thief and investment fraud? |
| [17:16:41] | sphery: | (that said, I'm very much against sites that are founded with the idea of making it easy to steal copyrighted content--I just wish they'd actually attack the problem and not the tools/sites/...) |
| [17:16:51] | skd5aner: | His story about trying to buy properly in NZ, but being denied, so he leases a multi-million dollar mansion instead and all the stuff his neighbors said he did |
| [17:17:48] | skd5aner: | reminds me of the rich Russian guy in the directv commercials... I have to assume that Kim dotcom had a miniature giraffe too |
| [17:17:56] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:18:07] | skd5aner: | I mean, he legally changed his name to dotcom... this guy thought he was untouchable |
| [17:18:40] | skd5aner: | s/properly/property (^^^ above) |
| [17:18:59] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: if the russian guy were being played by an obese dolph lundgren |
| [17:19:29] | skd5aner: | heh... well, he hadn't gotten to the part where he could have someone work out for him and get a muscle transfussion – but it was coming, I'm sure |
| [17:19:59] | wagnerrp: | i mean the guy was very foreboding |
| [17:20:06] | wagnerrp: | like 6'6" and 300lbs |
| [17:20:30] | wagnerrp: | (i.e. the Mad Russian, rather than the DTV commercial guy) |
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| [17:26:03] | sphery: | so, the last week has been a cess pool of "let me just edit the DB directly" on -users list |
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| [17:58:53] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
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| [17:59:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you ever heard of someone having trouble getting two HVR-1600s to work simultaneously |
| [17:59:45] | wagnerrp: | but using 64-bit, so not subject to the vmalloc issue |
| [18:00:43] | sphery: | no, haven't really followed any discussion of the 1600 |
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| [18:06:10] | wagnerrp: | so, the whole point of advertising is to be seen |
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| [18:06:27] | wagnerrp: | and if you can be seen for free, you would be stupid to try to put a stop to it |
| [18:06:44] | wagnerrp: | which is why no one ever files any sort of takedown notice for television ads placed on youtube and other video sharing sites |
| [18:07:25] | wagnerrp: | the NFL had chrysler's clint eastwood ad pulled from youtube |
| [18:08:27] | sphery: | hehe, funny |
| [18:09:01] | sphery: | then again, I've seen movie trailers (which are ads) that use WMP license/DRM stuff to make it so you can only play them with WMP |
| [18:09:33] | wagnerrp: | well that depends, where were these trailers from? |
| [18:10:02] | wagnerrp: | i.e. did the site hosting them want you accessing them specifically from their site, so you can see their ads? |
| [18:10:05] | sphery: | (I couldn't watch the Serenity trailer in HDTV resolutions until they released one that played with other-than-MS-WMP) |
| [18:12:48] | sphery: | it was at the official serenity movie web site |
| [18:13:13] | sphery: | apple ended up getting a copy on their apple trailers web site--which, obviously, was in QT format, instead |
| [18:13:26] | sphery: | the apple one didn't have DRM/require a license for playback |
| [18:14:05] | sphery: | I think it was mainly that the WMV format had just added the ability to require a license and whoever did the trailer didn't realize that it was required by default since "everyone uses Windows, right?" |
| [18:14:11] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure i have a copy on my HDDVD, which anydvd extracted for use on my other-than-MS-WMP player |
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| [18:15:09] | wagnerrp: | people are thinking the NFL just did a blanket takedown on any video with 'superbowl' in the title from the last few days |
| [18:15:29] | wagnerrp: | since the NFL is claiming innocence, and told chrysler to put the video back up |
| [18:16:30] | sphery: | well, the NFL won't even allow the media to say "Superbowl" without paying for the privilege |
| [18:17:03] | sphery: | (because of their trademark) |
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| [18:46:22] | wizbit: | tonights mission: install a 64-bit slackware system for myth frontend |
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| [18:46:31] | wizbit: | then do lots of testing |
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| [18:47:47] | sphery: | why slack? helping with packaging it or just for personal use? |
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| [18:50:14] | wizbit: | sphery: i been using it for a good few years now, its awesome. it gives users 'power' |
| [18:50:36] | wizbit: | all my linux boxes are slackware |
| [18:50:42] | wizbit: | including the joggler |
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| [18:52:03] | sphery: | just curious |
| [18:53:12] | sphery: | I was just thinking that you may be able to completely avoid the "loads of testing" (not to mention troubleshooting/fixing problems/recompiling/...) with a distro whose packagers stay up to date with MythTV and provide great packages/configuration |
| [18:53:25] | wagnerrp: | like debian |
| [18:53:40] | sphery: | hehe, well, Debi-untu |
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| [18:53:59] | sphery: | specifically any Debian-based distro that can use Mythbuntu repos/packages :) |
| [18:55:57] | wizbit: | i would never use a mythtv package from a distro |
| [18:56:05] | wizbit: | git pull ftw |
| [18:56:30] | wagnerrp: | would you use packages from github? |
| [18:56:42] | wizbit: | i use mythtv git |
| [18:56:45] | wizbit: | nothing else |
| [18:57:05] | wagnerrp: | specifically source packages from github? |
| [18:57:10] | wizbit: | yep |
| [18:57:14] | wizbit: | i use slackbuilds mainly |
| [18:57:15] | wizbit: | and edit them |
| [18:57:42] | wizbit: | update source code directly from project websites then edit slackbuild so it uses the source code |
| [18:58:06] | wizbit: | nice and simple with lots of power |
| [18:58:46] | wagnerrp: | so its a very simplified version of what gentoo has |
| [18:58:53] | wagnerrp: | more in line with freebsd's package system |
| [19:00:07] | wagnerrp: | ebuilds are basically shell scripts just like that, but wrapped within a management framework written in python |
| [19:00:41] | wagnerrp: | while freebsd uses recursive Makefiles |
| [19:01:56] | wizbit: | yep pretty much |
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| [19:02:08] | wizbit: | there is no dep management |
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| [19:02:17] | wizbit: | but packages are in series |
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| [19:02:27] | wizbit: | likea base series, lib series etc |
| [19:02:33] | wizbit: | so you can still get a slim system |
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| [19:02:35] | wizbit: | with little fuss |
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| [19:03:11] | wagnerrp: | lousy freenode |
| [19:03:27] | wizbit: | would i get a performance boost if i chose the core2duo option in the kernel config? |
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| [19:04:48] | kormoc: | wizbit, do you have a core2duo? |
| [19:05:01] | kormoc: | (And this is why power to the users doesn't always make sense) |
| [19:05:02] | wizbit: | my new frontend does yes |
| [19:05:27] | wizbit: | im going to build a 64-bit system for it tonight |
| [19:05:31] | wagnerrp: | do you ever wish to use that kernel on anything other than a core2duo? |
| [19:05:39] | wizbit: | nope |
| [19:05:48] | wagnerrp: | such as... if you ever upgrade, or if you share the image with another machine |
| [19:06:07] | wizbit: | if i got another frontend, i would buy the exact same box |
| [19:06:18] | wizbit: | its awesome |
| [19:09:13] | sphery: | Why compile if you're not actually applying patches? Only benefit is it allows you to spend the same hundreds+ of hours packagers spend keeping up with MythTV for the benefit of the community, but this time for your own benefit (and without helping others)? |
| [19:09:54] | sphery: | and as for "slim system", it's not 1989, anymore |
| [19:10:08] | sphery: | (and I'll bet that your system isn't slimmer than, say, LinHES) |
| [19:10:15] | wagnerrp: | and besides, mythtv does not support "slim systems" |
| [19:10:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean "slim" as in disk space |
| [19:10:32] | wagnerrp: | not, all the processing is done elsewhere |
| [19:10:58] | sphery: | based on "14:02:27 < wizbit> likea base series, lib series etc" and "14:02:33 < wizbit> so you can still get a slim system", I think he means "get a system that only has installed what I want" |
| [19:11:14] | wizbit: | yep pretty much |
| [19:11:22] | wizbit: | i dont have to worry about deps most of the time |
| [19:11:24] | sphery: | in other words, it seems he's either optmizing hard disk usage--which makes little sense with today's hard drives |
| [19:11:29] | wizbit: | because i always install the lib series |
| [19:11:46] | sphery: | or doesn't realize that installing something doesn't slow down the system... running something, on the other hand, does |
| [19:12:05] | wizbit: | slim systems make backing up nicer |
| [19:12:14] | wizbit: | fat systems take more room to backup |
| [19:12:16] | sphery: | after all, even a "fat" distro is going to be <10GB |
| [19:12:33] | ** wizbit thinks 'oh god what have i started here' ** | |
| [19:12:34] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: depends on how you do your backups |
| [19:12:36] | sphery: | do you actually back up all of the base system install? versus just backing up data? |
| [19:12:50] | wagnerrp: | backups are only supposed to take as much room as has changed from one iteration to the next |
| [19:13:01] | ** wizbit runs fast ** | |
| [19:13:02] | wagnerrp: | which should be practically nothing |
| [19:13:15] | sphery: | anyway, my point was primarily that Mythbuntu has packages that make MythTV pretty much just an "install/configure/go" thing |
| [19:13:16] | wagnerrp: | just your theme cache and logs |
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| [19:14:54] | wizbit: | http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.37/mult . . . v.SlackBuild |
| [19:15:00] | wizbit: | thats the kind of thing we use |
| [19:15:13] | wizbit: | edit to ones needs |
| [19:21:14] | sphery: | so, in that, the configure should /not/ be doing --disable-hdhomerun, --enable-xvmc, --enable-xvmcw, --disable-xvmc-vld, --enable-xrandr, --enable-xv, --enable-x11, or --enable-opengl-vsync |
| [19:21:45] | sphery: | probably should not be doing --enable-dvb and almost definitely doesn't need --dvb-path=/usr/include... doesn't need --with-bindings="perl,python" |
| [19:22:12] | sphery: | should almost definitely be doing --enable-proc-opt |
| [19:22:27] | sphery: | (unless it's common for slack users to build on one cpu and then run the same build on a different one) |
| [19:22:38] | sphery: | i.e. unless all slack users are wannabe packagers |
| [19:22:51] | sphery: | (versus just running the build on each computer they want to install mythtv on) |
| [19:23:13] | sphery: | generally, the /right/ configure line is: ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-proc-opt |
| [19:23:36] | sphery: | and you can use libdir/mandir if you need to for your system layout |
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| [19:26:20] | wizbit: | sphery: the user has the power to edit to requirements |
| [19:26:27] | wizbit: | including source code version |
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| [19:27:25] | sphery: | right, but it would be nice if the default script did things right--and users had to add all those wrong things to it if they want to do it wrong |
| [19:27:50] | wizbit: | aye true i guess |
| [19:28:19] | wizbit: | but this is slackware, it was probably done like that on purpose to educate us users :D |
| [19:28:48] | sphery: | well, I'm a big fan of the theory that "some buttons just aren't meant to be pushed" |
| [19:30:46] | wagnerrp: | generally, the right configure line leaves out --prefix, and just uses the system default |
| [19:31:57] | wagnerrp: | the system default being /usr/local, for packages you compile yourself... rather than /usr, for non-critical packages supplied by the distro |
| [19:37:14] | sphery: | true |
| [19:37:52] | sphery: | though in the case of slack, it seems that all are "non-critical packages supplied by the distro" |
| [19:38:22] | sphery: | i.e. the meaning of /usr versus /usr/local is blurred with "non-package-managed build-it-yourself-using-scripts" distros |
| [19:39:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, gentoo just uses /usr for everything |
| [19:39:57] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, freebsd is uncommonly strict about all that stuff |
| [19:40:25] | wagnerrp: | system critical stuff goes in /, with non-critical base system bits in /usr |
| [19:40:34] | wagnerrp: | and any configuration for the base system goes in /etc |
| [19:40:51] | wagnerrp: | any packages beyond the base system go in /usr/local, with their configuration in /usr/local/etc |
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| [19:41:18] | wagnerrp: | the consequence being that if at any time, you ever want to go back to the base system |
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| [19:41:46] | wagnerrp: | you wipe out /usr/local for all the files and configs, and /var/db/pkg for any reference to them being installed |
| [19:42:05] | wagnerrp: | two 'rm -rf's, and youre instantly back at square one |
| [19:42:19] | wizbit: | does it make sense to put a system image for a diskless tftp client on a different disk to what the server OS runs on? |
| [19:42:45] | wagnerrp: | only if you expect high disk loads on both, and want to distribute that load |
| [19:43:07] | wizbit: | hmm |
| [19:43:29] | sphery: | why isn't it /usr/local/var/db/pkg :) |
| [19:44:02] | wagnerrp: | because thats variable operational data |
| [19:44:02] | wizbit: | i wonder if there is a tool what can measure disk load live |
| [19:44:08] | wagnerrp: | its right where it should be |
| [19:44:16] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: gstat |
| [19:44:22] | wizbit: | ace |
| [19:44:58] | sphery: | yeah, just mean that if it were in /usr/local/, then you wouldn't have to update /var data when you unmount /var/local |
| [19:45:17] | wagnerrp: | true |
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| [20:00:53] | wizbit: | i mount video, music drives etc in /srv/ data used on the server |
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| [21:57:14] | wizbit: | this new frontend also uses intel nic :D |
| [21:59:24] | wizbit: | 64-bit!! needs lots of work but the system boots |
| [21:59:24] | wizbit: | Linux darkstar 2.6.37.6-mythtv.pxe #2 SMP Mon Feb 6 21:47:50 Local time zone must be set--see zic m x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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| [22:24:52] | skd5aner: | yay – finally put some troubleshooting buttons on my remote to make it easier for the wife to fix crap |
| [22:24:59] | sphery: | ah, high praise, indeed: I wasted 3 hour of development work just because of your idiotism! |
| [22:25:10] | sphery: | I'd fix that ticket, but I'm too much an idiot |
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| [22:30:52] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks to your random comment, everyone now thinks you called me an idiot |
| [22:31:21] | skd5aner: | I'll never be able to undo that pyschological damage |
| [22:31:35] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [22:34:02] | sphery: | skd5aner: I did call you.. |
| [22:34:09] | sphery: | oh, wait, I can't even finish the joke |
| [22:34:29] | sphery: | it was a quote of the reporter's comment on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10314 |
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| [22:41:39] | sphery: | skd5aner: so, are you a "bulb half empty" guy? |
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| [22:43:13] | sphery: | (this being a night mode icon comment--explaining so everyone doesn't think I called you dim :) |
| [22:50:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youre bothering to properly type an invalid bug? |
| [22:51:23] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:51:32] | sphery: | well, mythtv never crashed--only his code did |
| [22:51:40] | sphery: | I think it's worth it! |
| [22:51:50] | ** sphery gladly accepts the extra e-mail ** | |
| [22:52:03] | Beirdo: | just cause :) |
| [22:52:37] | wagnerrp: | so i fix the bindings to properly handle such dates, while he has to fix the dates for his broken bindings? |
| [22:52:42] | wagnerrp: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oursql/+bug/672059 |
| [22:52:59] | Beirdo: | yeah, he can just not use Java |
| [22:53:01] | Beirdo: | next! |
| [22:53:39] | wizbit: | my frontend boots and stops on |
| [22:53:40] | Beirdo: | and why would we care about port.hu? |
| [22:53:41] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:53:42] | wizbit: | *** ERROR: Root partition has already been mounted read-write. Cannot check! |
| [22:54:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently it provides hungarian movie and television data |
| [22:54:23] | Beirdo: | right |
| [22:54:34] | wagnerrp: | but theres no reason why he couldnt write at XMLTV grabber without accessing the database |
| [22:54:42] | Beirdo: | so he needs Java to parse it rather than learning Python? :) |
| [22:54:46] | wagnerrp: | and theres no reason why he couldnt write a metadata grabber without accessing the database |
| [22:54:56] | wagnerrp: | so i dont know WTF hes doing that hes having datetime problems |
| [22:55:45] | skd5aner: | what is a "port.hu" scrapper? something to do with hungrary? |
| [22:56:02] | skd5aner: | er, scraper |
| [22:56:16] | stuartm: | metadata grabber for Hungarian version of tmdb/imdb |
| [22:56:42] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:56:48] | stuartm: | although the correct approach would actually be to populate tmdb with Hungarian data |
| [22:56:59] | Beirdo: | and especially against 0.24 :) |
| [22:58:24] | sphery: | and if the JDBC drivers for mysql don't properly handle MySQL date zero values, someone needs to fix the mysql drivers |
| [22:58:49] | ** sphery hasn't used the mysql jdbc drivers in years, so I have no idea whether they do ** | |
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| [23:11:30] | dekarl_zZz: | wrt the port.hu scraper, is that tv guide or metadata? (either way, I don't see what database access has to do with it) |
| [23:12:03] | stuartm: | my Hungarian is rusty, but it looks like both |
| [23:12:19] | stuartm: | by rusty I mean non-existent |
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| [23:13:21] | dekarl_zZz: | well, the site has both.. but we already have a scraper for the guide data over in xmltv. (scraping stinks, but thats another topic) |
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| [23:18:22] | stuartm: | ticket is not that specific, but he refers to a column in the videometadata table so we're assuming metadata for videos vs guide data |
| [23:18:52] | stuartm: | that said, he doesn't appear to know how to use the grabber API that's in place |
| [23:19:28] | stuartm: | he's starting at clueless and working backwards |
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| [23:33:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you want to remove File browse mode from mythvideo? Really needs doing. :) |
| [23:34:05] | sphery: | Ironhand: you've enabled ^^^ |
| [23:34:13] | sphery: | which is evil and needs to be removed from mythtv |
| [23:34:33] | sphery: | with File browse mode, you've /told/ MythTV "ignore the data in the database and scan my entire file system /every/ time I open MythVideo" |
| [23:34:51] | sphery: | To disable, you hit MENU, then Disable file browse mode (IIRC) |
| [23:35:01] | Ironhand: | sphery: thanks, I'll give that a try |
| [23:35:20] | sphery: | and note that file browse mode is tied to the view, so if you're in Gallery view and you disable it, then go to List view and you had it enabled in there, you'll need to disable it in there |
| [23:35:59] | sphery: | once you disable File browse mode, you'll need to properly maintain the data in your database--i.e. MENU|Scan for Changes to find new files or to remove deleted ones |
| [23:36:02] | stuartm: | sphery: I think iamlindoro wants to keep file browse mode (I could be wrong and he's not here to confirm/deny) |
| [23:36:12] | stuartm: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [23:36:13] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro was last seen 5 days 15 hours 16 minutes 20 seconds ago |
| [23:36:13] | sphery: | pretty sure he wants it gone more than anyone else |
| [23:36:14] | Ironhand: | sphery: ehm... so I have to go into the "Watch Videos" section to disable it? |
| [23:36:20] | sphery: | Ironhand: yes |
| [23:37:01] | Ironhand: | sphery: that's somewhat of an issue, seeing as mythtv hangs effectively indefinitely once I open that |
| [23:38:43] | Ironhand: | sphery: you wouldn't happen to know where exactly this is set in the database? |
| [23:40:15] | sphery: | Ironhand: then you likely have a file system loop (i.e. a symlink that links to another directory higher up in the same file system hierarchy) |
| [23:40:29] | sphery: | fix that first, then go into mythvideo, then use the UI to set the settings you want |
| [23:40:40] | sphery: | it won't lock up indefinitely once you fix the broken file system |
| [23:41:27] | sphery: | stuartm: excerpt from the last discussion about file browse mode: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-0 . . . -22:23:25:13 |
| [23:41:37] | Ironhand: | sphery: not really fixable, seeing as the loop is the /proc filesystem (/proc/$PID/root is a symlink to /, for every running $PID) |
| [23:43:06] | sphery: | Ironhand: that means you need to take the /proc file system out of your mythvideo directories |
| [23:43:21] | stuartm: | sphery: ok, that's good, since I'd like to see it gone too |
| [23:43:34] | sphery: | Ironhand: are you using Storage Groups or the old/legacy mythvideo directory list setting? |
| [23:43:54] | Ironhand: | sphery: it is, that's the entire problem... the mythtv directory for videos is /pub/video and nothing else, and that doesn't have symlinks at all |
| [23:44:24] | Ironhand: | sphery: doesn't sound familiar, but I can't rule it out entirely |
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| [23:46:41] | Ironhand: | what particularly puzzles me is that this only started happening since I switched to a root fs on a usb flash drive... is there anything at all in Myth that tries to "cleverly" scan removable media outside the normal myth directories? |
| [23:47:28] | sphery: | there's the mediamonitor |
| [23:47:42] | sphery: | for that set up an ignore for the file system in your mythfrontend settings |
| [23:48:10] | sphery: | Ironhand: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/502375#502375 |
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| [23:49:01] | Ironhand: | sphery: thanks, I'll give that a try |
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| [23:51:54] | Ironhand: | sphery: great, adding /dev/sda,/dev/sda1 to the "ignore list" did the trick – thanks |
| [23:52:10] | Ironhand: | strangely enough disabling removable media detection entirely didn't help... |
| [23:52:28] | wizbit: | this is a awesome read if you are using nfs / diskless |
| [23:52:30] | wizbit: | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/performance.html |
| [23:54:09] | Ironhand: | must say I've considered nfsroot for this system... I just have not-so-fond memories of the initial process of setting it all up |
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| [23:56:12] | wizbit: | Ironhand: i mastered it in about 2–3 months |
| [23:56:23] | sphery: | Ironhand: pretty sure you can't disable removable media detection entirely, any more |
| [23:57:11] | sphery: | ok, seems maybe you kind of can? |
| [23:57:18] | sphery: | don't know if it actually works, though |
| [23:57:30] | Ironhand: | sphery: well, the option is there, I just doubt it actually does anything based on recent experience |
| [23:57:51] | Ironhand: | wizbit: used it for about 2–3 years, never actually mastered it :-P |
| [23:58:15] | Ironhand: | wizbit: always had to jump through hoops in order to get the kernel & initrd set up correctly |
| [23:58:52] | sphery: | Ironhand: ahh... gotta restart mythfrontend |
| [23:59:29] | Ironhand: | sphery: ah, didn't try that, indeed... then again it's fixed now anyway with the "ignore" option |
| [23:59:37] | wizbit: | i dont use a initrd on mine |
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