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[00:28:58] spinningcog: waganerrp: any thought about just using keypresses?
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[00:29:35] wagnerrp: if you have it set up to just use keypresses already, then just use the key bindings configuration directly
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[00:35:27] spinningcog: wagnerrp: Thanks.
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[01:04:01] JRandolph: Can I ask if anyone is interested in buying a card?
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[01:55:02] J-e-f-f-A: JRandolph: Did you decide to not try MythTV?
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[02:16:14] JRandolph: J-e-f-f-A:
[02:16:29] JRandolph: No I need to get a refund on that quad S2
[02:16:33] JRandolph: or sell it
[02:17:20] wagnerrp: wait, hadnt you been trying to use a -2250 previously? meaning you were in north america?
[02:18:11] JRandolph: 6984
[02:18:13] JRandolph: TBS
[02:18:31] JRandolph: Believe it works in Europe
[02:18:41] JRandolph: from my limited understanding
[02:18:49] J-e-f-f-A: sphery – you around? ;-)
[02:19:01] wagnerrp: !seen sphery
[02:19:03] MythLogBot: sphery is here and has been idle for 2 hours 26 minutes 32 seconds
[02:19:11] [R]: !seen MythLogBot
[02:19:11] MythLogBot: MythLogBot is here and has been idle for 8 seconds
[02:19:20] [R]: lame, i should have been funnier
[02:19:28] J-e-f-f-A: !seen intelligence
[02:19:29] MythLogBot: intelligence has not been seen here
[02:19:33] J-e-f-f-A: hehehehe
[02:19:35] [R]: lol
[02:19:57] J-e-f-f-A: That's not actually true though, there's LOTS of intelligence here!  ;-)
[02:20:03] JRandolph: J-e-f-f-A: Do you know anyone that might want the card
[02:20:12] JRandolph: It comes with a remote and IR Blaster
[02:20:17] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: wait... spies? on who's side?
[02:20:22] J-e-f-f-A: JRandolph: Nope, sorry – I'm in the US too, so it's no good to me. ;-)
[02:25:03] ** J-e-f-f-A is trying to figure out why programs that have been previously recorded are being recorded again, multiple times... Even though "Duplicate Check Method" is set to "Subtitle and Description" and "Check for duplicates in:" is set to "All recordings"... Example of one program: http://pastebin.ca/2109826 **
[02:26:16] wagnerrp: man... nothing cheers you up like watching john goodman wail on a corvette with a crowbar...
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[02:30:25] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Which movie is that?
[02:30:44] wagnerrp: the one where hes showing larry what happens
[02:31:54] ** J-e-f-f-A is clueless right now... D'oh! **
[02:32:48] wagnerrp: i was going to say it loses something without the vulgarity
[02:32:58] wagnerrp: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2726955/big_leb . . . pens_do_you/
[02:33:27] wagnerrp: but its really just amusing in other ways
[02:33:42] wagnerrp: "do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps?"
[02:33:54] wagnerrp: "do you see what happens when you feed a soldier scrambled eggs?"
[02:35:32] J-e-f-f-A: hehehehehe... ;-)
[02:35:52] wagnerrp: here we go... uncensored in the original polish... http://en.vidivodo.com/video/do-you-see-what-happens/234305
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[02:40:45] Sash: Hi, can anyone help me finding out why I can't seek in my recordings anymore? What debug infos should I enable and for what message should I search for? Setup: 1 server running backend, other computer(s) running frontend(s).
[02:41:42] wagnerrp: inability to seek typically means a bad seek table
[02:42:06] wagnerrp: get the chanid and starttime of one of your recordings
[02:42:19] wagnerrp: and run 'mythcommflag --chanid <chanid> --starttime <starttime> --rebuild'
[02:42:38] wagnerrp: that will spend a couple minutes scanning through the file and reindexing the keyframes
[02:42:41] Sash: ok, this happens on old and new recording.
[02:43:06] Sash: could that mean mythcommflag was not run?
[02:43:19] wagnerrp: no, this is supposed to be performed during the recording
[02:43:36] J-e-f-f-A: maybe broken table?
[02:43:50] wagnerrp: mythcommflag is just used as a convenient place to put something that can allow you to rebuild that table
[02:44:23] J-e-f-f-A: I run optimize_mythdb_0.24.pl as a cron job every day in the wee hours of the morning. ;-)
[02:44:52] wagnerrp: it could be a broken database table, but you would see errors indicating such in the logs
[02:44:55] Sash: oh, after about 10 min, the seeking aborts.
[02:45:28] Sash: I'll run a repair on the tables, just to make sure.
[02:45:31] wagnerrp: there have been issues in the past that would result in broken seek tables for recordings
[02:45:38] wagnerrp: you could be running of those versions
[02:46:51] Sash: I was running 0.24.1 until today, upgraded because of the problem to 0.24.2, but problem is still there.
[02:47:10] Sash: oohhh, at least one mysql table was corrupted.
[02:48:37] Sash: gonna write a small script to let it repair all tables on all databases.
[02:48:54] wagnerrp: you mean like... optimize_mythdb?
[02:49:20] Sash: similar, but for all databases in the system :)
[02:50:03] wagnerrp: do understand, that can be dangerous if anything is trying to access those databases at the time you are trying to repair them
[02:50:58] Sash: I know, but thanks for the warning. managing servers is part of my dayly job.
[02:51:07] Sash: daily
[02:52:18] wagnerrp: the long term goal is to embed the database server inside mythbackend, or some other myth__ application
[02:52:40] wagnerrp: so we can actually control access, and safely do such things automatically
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[02:53:33] Sash: hmm, I don't like that. I prefer a system install. at some time I had 4 mysql instances running, because a lot of apps I used did that. was a waste of resources.
[02:54:13] wagnerrp: it would be less a mysql instance, and more a mysql thread running inside mythbackend
[02:54:27] wagnerrp: all real sql queries would be limited to within the backend
[02:54:52] wagnerrp: leaving other backends, frontends, and anything else external to communicate through the backend protocol, and/or new services api
[02:55:06] Sash: Would be ok, if it can be swiched to use a server install. You remember some things as daily backups or so. always difficult with embedded setups.
[02:55:51] wagnerrp: have a query in the protocol to trigger a backup, or do it automatically in the housekeeper
[02:57:00] Sash: hmm, been there, done that and failed on a project, switched back to system install with system backup, system monitoring and such.
[02:57:20] wagnerrp: well im not saying it will be simple
[02:57:33] wagnerrp: which is why its still not been done, after it was proposed several years ago... :)
[02:57:39] Sash: mythtv is no mission critical app, thats for sure. but there a lot of things to consider.
[02:59:37] wagnerrp: well the concern is just that if you attempt to recover a table, crash, restart the server, and access that table before completing the recovery
[02:59:39] wagnerrp: the data is toast
[02:59:53] wagnerrp: an embedded database eliminates that concern
[03:00:35] Sash: true
[03:00:36] wagnerrp: plus it makes setting up mythtv that much easier when the user doesnt have to worry about initializing the database, and ensuring its set up properly
[03:01:41] Sash: hmm, repair is done, problem is still there. running the mythcommflag command on one of the files. lets see if that fixes it.
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[03:07:20] Timrit: good day. is anyone using a hacked pogoplug running debian as a dedicated mythbackend with usb tuners?
[03:08:45] wagnerrp: most people want a bit more power than a pogoplug can provide
[03:08:50] [R]: lol
[03:09:12] Sash: another question: is it a bug that the recorded files are no longer searched in the paths defined on the frontend config? Example: the server has its files in /tv and files stored there are streamed fine. some files are on a frontend machine on a different path /nfs/tv older mythtv versions could play the files stored there, newer version cannot anymore.
[03:09:35] wagnerrp: paths defined in the frontend config?
[03:09:46] wagnerrp: recordings were never defined in the frontend
[03:09:58] Sash: running mythtv-setup on the external frontend box.
[03:10:10] Sash: date is saved correctly in the master backend.
[03:10:13] Sash: data
[03:10:35] Sash: or was it a bug that this worked?
[03:10:47] wagnerrp: im still not sure what youre actually doing
[03:11:01] wagnerrp: all recording storage should be defined in mythtv-setup on the master backend
[03:11:14] Sash: ok, I have a master backend server which has most of the files on local storage.
[03:11:22] wagnerrp: if you have slave backends, they will still record to those paths specified on the master backend
[03:11:46] wagnerrp: even if not all paths are accessible on all backends, they will just record to those they do have write access to
[03:11:47] Timrit: i have a Hauppauge WinTV PVR USB2 (Model 24019) and have mythbackend installed and running. i can connect to it with my laptop as a front end. i have playback but no audio and wondered if anyone could help me determine why not.
[03:11:53] Sash: yes, right, but previous versions looked in the paths of the slave backends and used the files if they are found there.
[03:12:35] Twiggy2cents: Timrit, did you set up audio in the frontend?
[03:12:38] Timrit: there is no audio in the recordings if i copy them to the laptop and play them so it has to be in the backend someplace
[03:12:43] Sash: only worked on the local slave backend, but that was one of my fav. feature in mythtv.
[03:13:04] wagnerrp: Sash: im still not sure what you are trying to describe
[03:13:26] wagnerrp: any recording storage defined on the master backend will be used if possible by any slave backend
[03:13:26] Twiggy2cents: Timrit, when you copy them, are you playing them with mythvideo or some other program?
[03:13:34] Timrit: Twiggy2cents: vlc
[03:13:40] wagnerrp: storage defined on a slave backend only exists as a selective override for that particular machine
[03:13:53] Sash: right, and this does not work anymore
[03:13:53] Twiggy2cents: More than likely you never set up your audio device in the mythtv frontend settings
[03:14:13] wagnerrp: the frontends will all try to play recordings from the local filesystem if available
[03:14:21] wagnerrp: falling back to streaming it from the backend in question otherwise
[03:14:31] Sash: does not work anymore. that what I want to do.
[03:14:38] wagnerrp: that behavior hasnt changed since storage groups were implemented in 0.21
[03:14:42] Timrit: Twiggy2cents: i will look again but why would the recordings not have audio from front end settings?
[03:15:07] wagnerrp: note, there are options in the setup that will force frontends to always stream from the backend, and to always stream from the master backend specifically
[03:15:11] wagnerrp: rather than try to use the filesystem
[03:15:30] Twiggy2cents: Because the frontend plays the video. The frontend is what is doing the playback.
[03:15:44] Sash: where is that option? do you know that directly?
[03:15:57] Twiggy2cents: If you have audio when you copy the file and dont through mythtv, your audio is incorrectly set up
[03:16:03] wagnerrp: i dont know off hand
[03:16:04] Timrit: but the recordings themselves do not have any audio in them being played in VLC
[03:16:18] Twiggy2cents: Ohh, I mis understood
[03:16:35] wagnerrp: Timrit: if thats the case, either you forgot to plug the red and white audio inputs into your capture box
[03:16:40] wagnerrp: or your capture box is simply broken
[03:16:47] wagnerrp: the PVR-USB2 is an MPEG encoder device
[03:16:48] Timrit: no on either case
[03:17:02] wagnerrp: that means it does all the audio and video encoding internally
[03:17:07] Timrit: i had this running on mythbuntu until just recently
[03:17:13] wagnerrp: and spits a multiplexed mpeg2 file out to the system
[03:17:25] wagnerrp: there is nothing mythtv can do that would make audio not work
[03:17:27] Timrit: so which tuner card should i be selecting
[03:17:54] wagnerrp: because the audio is already included in the stream as it comes out of the drivers
[03:18:25] Timrit: maybe i will fire up the mythbuntu install and see which card i picked there
[03:18:37] Timrit: maybe it is a firmware issue
[03:18:40] wagnerrp: you should be using the "IVTV MPEG2" type
[03:18:50] Timrit: that is what i have
[03:18:51] wagnerrp: or something that says MPEG2
[03:20:02] Timrit: the ivtv setting gets me video but no audio, the mpeg2 setting gets me RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.109:6543/1040_20120204204902.nuv) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[03:20:17] wagnerrp: if you have .nuv files, you did something wrong
[03:20:27] wagnerrp: properly configured, that card will produce .mpg files
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[03:22:19] Sash: ok, good news. seeking works after mythcommflag has finished. at the current speed it will need a few days (or weeks) if I run it on all files :(
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[03:26:20] Twiggy2cents: Ugh... some stupid football game has the local channels all screwed up tomorrow...
[03:28:39] Timrit: rofl Twiggy2cents
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[03:29:43] rmsbl: has anyone noticed how much slower other themes are compared to mythcenter?
[03:30:07] ** Twiggy2cents uses arclight and doesnt care about the other themes **
[03:30:32] rmsbl: lame
[03:30:44] wagnerrp: rmsbl: might be something to do with all the artwork being displayed in most other themes
[03:30:49] Twiggy2cents: If only the theme developer would choose a hi res background. Not one that is all pixelated ;-)
[03:31:01] rmsbl: wagnerrp: even with mythbuntu? that's pretty minimal
[03:31:13] wagnerrp: mythbuntu is loaded with artwork
[03:31:43] rmsbl: project grayhem is the same...
[03:31:48] rmsbl: is that one loaded with artwork?
[03:31:51] wagnerrp: by artwork, im referring to the show specific stuff that replaces the background and other areas in "Watch Recordings"
[03:31:54] wagnerrp: not sure about that one
[03:32:23] rmsbl: maybe this acer revo just can't put out like my whore of an ex-
[03:32:55] wagnerrp: when you are in watch recordings, do you see the artwork? or do you just see the standard background image?
[03:33:09] rmsbl: i'm talking about navigating the home screen
[03:33:14] rmsbl: even that is less responsive
[03:33:17] rmsbl: no artwork loaded
[03:33:20] rmsbl: very strange
[03:33:40] wagnerrp: how much memory? what graphics?
[03:33:57] rmsbl: 2gb i believe (let me check) nvidia ion
[03:34:21] rmsbl: yeah, 2gb
[03:36:08] Twiggy2cents: Ohh a ION yay for new technology of yesteryear
[03:36:22] wagnerrp: opengl or qt painter?
[03:36:25] rmsbl: gl
[03:36:31] rmsbl: Twiggy2cents: this little guy rocks
[03:36:34] wagnerrp: presumably youre using the proprietary nvidia graphics?
[03:36:38] rmsbl: Twiggy2cents: works just fine for a frontend
[03:36:39] rmsbl: yes
[03:36:42] rmsbl: wagnerrp: yes
[03:44:49] Seeker`: Twiggy2cents: replace the images in .mythtv/themes/Arclight/Background to choose different artwork
[03:45:20] Twiggy2cents: Seeker`, I was really just joking with the background. While odd, it goes well witth the theme
[03:45:27] Twiggy2cents: It is a very neutral background
[03:45:29] wagnerrp: Seeker`: semi-inside joke
[03:46:20] ** Seeker` goes back to watching House then :P **
[03:46:53] wagnerrp: Seeker`: when he released it, people kept emailing him about the broken background image
[03:47:22] Seeker`: wagnerrp: yeah, can easily imagine that happening
[03:50:19] wagnerrp: it wasnt just once or twice either
[03:50:31] wagnerrp: there were dozens of times people asked about it in here
[03:52:18] likwid--_: "how come its all zoomed in so much?"
[03:53:29] rmsbl: later alll
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[03:56:47] Seeker`: wagnerrp: it does seem slightly out of place given the style of the theme
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[05:14:39] Timrit: i will appologize. i had to power down my tuner and power it back up. it is now supplying audio fine. sorry for bothering....
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[05:17:44] GWG: Got a quick question.
[05:17:57] GWG: Anyone know a quick and easy way to eliminate duplicate and ancient recording rules?
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[05:22:11] J-e-f-f-A: GWG: Use MythWeb.
[05:23:05] J-e-f-f-A: GWG: Assuming you have it setup, just point your browser to http://localhost/mythweb
[05:24:57] GWG: J-e-f-f-A: that is what I use. But there is no bulk edit feature. Each time I delete a rule, it pops up that dialog box, and it makes it slow.
[05:25:11] GWG: Admittedly, had I a better handle on it in the past...
[05:25:21] J-e-f-f-A: GWG: Well, it's alot faster that way than using the frontend gui. ;-)
[05:25:36] wagnerrp: use tabs?
[05:25:39] GWG: J-e-f-f-A: Agreed.
[05:26:04] GWG: wagnerrp: Browser tabs, you mean?
[05:26:18] wagnerrp: sure
[05:26:34] GWG: it is the browser dialog box that keeps pulling focus.
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[06:19:53] FLeiXiuS: Where do I change the default jump ahead amount, from 10 minutes?
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[06:26:19] FLeiXiuS: ahh play back groups!
[06:26:24] FLeiXiuS: brb
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[07:31:11] Beirdo: hmph
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[09:08:47] ** wagnerrp bets he just pissed of Rob Verduijn **
[09:09:10] wagnerrp: the literal truth hurts... :)
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[09:41:18] wagnerrp: bugger
[09:41:31] wagnerrp: the pollock spammer is back...
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[11:16:00] errorsmith: Hi! I moved my database to another machine. So my setup is like this: master-backend: 192.168.10.2 – dedicated MySQL Server: 192.168.10.1 – Several Frontends: 192.168.10.20 – 192.168.10.30 – Unfortunatly mythweb isn't able to stream any recordings anymore. (videos and music seem to work fine). Accessing the Recordings with a frontend works also. Can anyone help me to get things right?
[11:16:58] wagnerrp: you dedicated a whole physical machine to running mysql?
[11:17:34] wagnerrp: mythweb requires direct file access to your recordings and videos
[11:17:38] errorsmith: yep. Its running MySQL anyway, so I decided to remove some load from the masterBE
[11:17:51] wagnerrp: and it needs them in the same locations as they would be on the backend
[11:18:08] errorsmith: mythweb has direct file access. Its running on the masterBE. (but not the MySQL Server)
[11:18:08] wagnerrp: only music is currently capable of being streamed from the backend through mythweb
[11:18:28] wagnerrp: file permissions issue? chroot?
[11:20:45] errorsmith: I'm running a mythbuntu 11.10. As far as I know its coming with a standard LAMP Install, no chroot or similar things. Is there any switch I can throw to get some debug output? I only get this: "Unknown recording requested: " after clicking on direct download or asx stream
[11:21:22] wagnerrp: all content streaming is actually done through perl/cgi
[11:21:26] errorsmith: @file permissions: It worked before moving the DB to the other host. shouldn't be permissions IMO. Any hints what to check?
[11:22:23] wagnerrp: do you still have an instance of the old database running on your MBE?
[11:22:43] wagnerrp: its possible you never updated mythweb to point at the new database
[11:22:49] wagnerrp: but it is still accessing the old database
[11:22:57] wagnerrp: and while your music and videos have not changed
[11:23:04] wagnerrp: it doesnt have access to the new recordings
[11:23:16] wagnerrp: and as such is causing problems when trying to access them
[11:23:37] wagnerrp: mythweb can pull data both from the database and directly from the backend
[11:23:49] wagnerrp: and it may be getting confused if the recordings lists returned by each do not match
[11:24:13] errorsmith: I see. I updated mythweb.conf and mysql.txt to point to the new db-host. Additionally the old mysqld isn't running anymore, so I should get connection errors
[11:24:18] wagnerrp: i am not sufficiently familiar with the php bindings to know what specifically its doing
[11:25:42] errorsmith: I'm not sure but I think I isolated the file wich puts the error: it seems to be modules/stream/tv.pl
[11:26:24] errorsmith: It tries to set a varable called $basename, fails and bails out with "unknown recording error"
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[11:41:12] wagnerrp: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[11:41:44] wagnerrp: running MythTV 0.20, and expecting it to have bluray playback
[11:44:02] Seeker`: wagnerrp: I just saw that
[11:44:22] wizbit: my mother thought it would be a good idea to remove sticky adhesive front the front bezel using nail polish remover, it also removed the silver paint
[11:44:28] ** wizbit is not happy **
[11:44:46] wagnerrp: go to your local craft store
[11:44:55] wagnerrp: get some of that sparkley bubbly crap
[11:45:18] wizbit: wagnerrp: i found a front bezel on ebay, ive already bought it
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[11:45:29] wizbit: the dvd player was also messed up as well
[11:45:39] wizbit: luckily i can use the one in the existing frontend
[11:46:05] wizbit: the bezel had a few scratches on it anyhow, so its not all bad
[11:46:41] wizbit: hopefully the refurbished one will be in better condition, it didnt cost too much
[11:53:18] ** wizbit will be going home soon to set the box up :D **
[11:55:05] wizbit: 1.. install nvidia card 2.. connect monitor and keyboard 3.. boot into linux via usb stick 4.. write down MAC address 5.. edit dhcpd settings on server, change MAC address. 6.. change BIOS to boot over network. 7.. test
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[11:58:05] ** wizbit feels excited **
[11:58:37] ** Seeker` readies tranquilisers **
[11:58:42] wizbit: 7.. configure / re-compile mythtv to use VDPAU
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[12:02:52] wagnerrp: Seeker`: yes! thats awesome!
[12:05:14] ** wagnerrp is disappointed that Seeker` isnt playing along **
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[12:05:20] wizbit: i will then need, HDTV, dvb-t2 tuner(s) & storage, best to wait a bit on all those bits
[12:05:30] wizbit: + blueray player
[12:05:39] ** Seeker` isn't sure how he is meant to play along. Is also distracted by TV. **
[12:05:51] wagnerrp: Seeker`: you just took one in the jugular man!
[12:06:54] Seeker`: wagnerrp: not seen Old School
[12:07:23] wagnerrp: Seeker`: you should pull that out. that sh** is not cool.
[12:08:02] Seeker`: Wait. Wait? Pull what out?
[12:08:37] wagnerrp: well now its not fun, you had to ruin it
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[12:10:25] Seeker`: wagnerrp: so you're disappointed when I dont play along and disappointed when I do? :P
[12:10:39] wagnerrp: well now i know youre just watching some video online
[12:10:46] wagnerrp: its not the same
[12:10:53] Seeker`: nah, wikiquote :P
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[12:28:13] stuartm: when my NFS drives are offline, any app which attempts to access them locks up for a few minutes, the 'soft' mount arg is supposed to fix this but it's not working for me – are there any other config options I should be using?
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[12:53:28] AndyCap: stuartm: is it read only? you could lower the retries, (retrans option)
[12:54:08] stuartm: yeah, I tried that too, it didn't help
[13:02:45] stuartm: there are workarounds I can apply, such as a script which pings the remote machine and if doesn't get a reply it unmounts the nfs shares, but that really is a crappy solution
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[14:53:58] wizbit: i have just booted the DC7700
[14:54:03] wizbit: its fast and silent :D
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[15:11:54] wizbit: its booting via pxe using the same image as what was on the other frontend :D
[15:12:52] wizbit: Linux tv-1 2.6.37.6-mythtv.pxe #4 SMP Tue Nov 15 19:18:29 GMT 2011 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[15:13:01] wizbit: excellent
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[15:37:22] wizbit: the only problem is, the frontend os is 32-bit, this box can do 64-bit
[15:37:54] ** wizbit wonders if there is any point in changing it all to 64-bit for the sake of it **
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[15:48:49] stuartm: 64bit will give a small boost in performance (no matter whether some armchair experts think differently)
[15:50:05] wizbit: ok i will put that on the todo list
[15:50:07] stuartm: that boost probably won't be noticeable for the most part, but that said what are the reasons for not doing it?
[15:50:10] wizbit: when i type
[15:50:19] wizbit: ./configure it takes _AGES_ for the list to come down
[15:50:46] wizbit: root@tv-1:/usr/local/src/mythtv/mythtv# ./configure
[15:50:50] wizbit: *yawn*
[15:50:59] stuartm: slow drive?
[15:51:04] wizbit: pxe
[15:51:13] wizbit: the server has fast drives
[15:51:43] stuartm: ah, well there you go, configure has to check whether lots of headers are available (small files, spread all over the place)
[15:51:53] wizbit: ok
[15:52:04] wizbit: the only thing i havent tested is sleep
[15:52:19] wizbit: everything else is perfect
[15:54:02] wizbit: VDPAU support yes
[15:55:55] Scopeuk: is anyone aware of a dvb s2 and dvb t2 low profile pcie tuner with linux support?
[15:56:24] Scopeuk: I've tried the Blackgold 3630 but the manufacturers drivers don't support it
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[16:01:00] wagnerrp: stuartm: but that small boost in performance has nothing to do with it being 64-bit
[16:01:44] wagnerrp: rather, the double-sized, and significantly more, registers
[16:02:31] stuartm: and the two aren't connected
[16:02:44] stuartm: ;)
[16:03:15] wagnerrp: right, its from the amd64 architecture improvements over i686, rather than a function of being 64-bit
[16:03:39] stuartm: I never said a 64bit CPU was faster, I said that running the 64bit OS was faster
[16:03:51] stuartm: which it is
[16:04:05] wagnerrp: you did?
[16:04:19] ** wagnerrp takes off the pedantic hat **
[16:05:01] stuartm: wagnerrp: it's all about context
[16:05:12] stuartm: wagnerrp: he asked whether it was worth running the 64bit distro instead of the 32bit, I said "64bit will give a small boost"
[16:05:21] wagnerrp: i know, i know
[16:06:15] wagnerrp: so, richard morton calls out some new users on top posting and not trimming their quoting
[16:06:25] Scopeuk: we probably don't want to get into the relative merits vs slow down of using a try 64 bit architecture rather than x86–64
[16:06:34] wagnerrp: so someone else calls him out on an overly long and (intentionally) misspelled signature
[16:06:35] Scopeuk: s/try/true
[16:07:17] stuartm: outside the scope ;)
[16:07:24] wagnerrp: you think we even compile on an itanium or power instruction set?
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[16:07:33] Jeja: hi
[16:07:51] Jeja: hi
[16:08:02] wagnerrp: alpha is too outdated, and niagara is just too slow
[16:08:03] stuartm: wagnerrp: don't even joke, someone will try it
[16:08:07] Scopeuk: wagnerrp, interesting thought
[16:08:38] wagnerrp: stuartm: hey, if they want to get mythtv running on their $50K mainframe server, more power to them
[16:08:38] Jeja: wt viagara is too slow ?
[16:08:58] russell5: im using gentoo and the autostart flag on a frontend only machine. is there anyway for it to go to sleep with pm-suspend automaticlly?
[16:09:16] wagnerrp: russell5: dedicated frontend?
[16:09:58] russell5: yes its only a frontend in my bedroom
[16:10:37] wagnerrp: run irexec as root, with the single defined button to map 'power' to a standby command
[16:10:56] wagnerrp: or run it as non-root, with suid set on the script to allow users to run it
[16:11:21] russell5: yeah i would like to do it when the computer is idle
[16:11:22] stuartm: russell5: in 0.25 there will be, but in earlier versions it would be more complicated (gnome/kde tools might have some idle shutdown options under power management)
[16:11:47] wagnerrp: stuartm: im not sure if it would be of any use to you, but theres a ReferenceCounter in libmythbase
[16:12:17] wagnerrp: starts at one, has UpRef(), DownRef(), and a Qt-style context manager
[16:12:47] wagnerrp: re #10311, and discussion in the other channel
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[16:13:05] wagnerrp: crap, theyre multiplying
[16:13:20] wagnerrp: stuartm: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ecounter.cpp
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[16:14:15] stuartm: wagnerrp: thanks
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[16:15:59] stuartm: looks basically like what we've got in MythImage, only without the image specific stuff like removing deleted images from the cache or adjusting the cache size accordingly
[16:16:21] wagnerrp: ok
[16:16:38] wagnerrp: i wrote that up about a year ago for the initial libmythprotoserver stuff
[16:16:47] wagnerrp: didnt think to look for something pre-existing in the UI libraries
[16:16:51] stuartm: there are no locks in the MythImage one either, since MythImage isn't designed to be used outside the UI thread
[16:17:10] stuartm: wagnerrp: the stuff in MythImage is built-in, not a standalone class
[16:17:26] wagnerrp: ah
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[16:18:32] stuartm: we could subclass ReferenceCounter in MythImage, but we'd want to extend it to allow custom behaviour (pre/post upref & downref actions)
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[16:22:40] Jeja: mythtv is wt kind of uses ?
[16:24:01] wagnerrp: Jeja: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview
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[16:25:33] Jeja: thanks wagner
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[16:26:04] Jeja: do you have demo video about all his features ?
[16:26:10] wagnerrp: nope
[16:26:19] Jeja: i m not good in english
[16:27:50] wagnerrp: i doubt youre likely to find someone in here to speaks hindi
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[16:29:05] Jeja_: well i got dreambox 800 hd as device wt mythtv can help me ?
[16:29:28] wagnerrp: better to get a modern DVB-T/S tuner
[16:30:02] wagnerrp: hmmm... an 800 actually is modern
[16:30:11] wagnerrp: i thought they stopped manufacturing those like 6 years ago
[16:30:38] wagnerrp: in any case, youre not going to be able to run mythtv directly on it, nor does mythtv have any special support for recording off of it
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[16:32:21] Jeja: ok do you any reference of modern dvb -t/s tuner ?
[16:32:46] wagnerrp: !url tuners
[16:32:46] MythLogBot: tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information
[16:33:00] wagnerrp: youll need to ask one of the european users for anything more specific
[16:33:07] wizbit: i think network bandwidth slows down the disk, i need to make sure im running gigabit
[16:33:10] wagnerrp: we dont use DVB over here
[16:33:27] wagnerrp: network bandwidth slows down the disk....
[16:33:37] wizbit: i did make install
[16:33:55] wizbit: as soon as i hit pause on the tv, make install does its tasks faster
[16:33:57] wagnerrp: that would only be the case if youre using some crappo chipset that has the NIC and disk controller both slaved off the PCI bus
[16:34:16] wizbit: it might well do
[16:34:18] wizbit: im not sure
[16:34:59] wizbit: when i watch hd it might ground to a halt :-S
[16:35:06] ** wizbit feels scared **
[16:35:35] wizbit: maybe i need to fiddle with the bios
[16:35:48] wagnerrp: dont compile stuff when watching tv?
[16:35:56] wizbit: aye good point
[16:36:08] stuartm: well, 100T is going to be a little slower than 1000T but really the limiting factor is actually the disks, HDDs are very slow, much slower than gigabit
[16:36:21] stuartm: much, much slower
[16:37:44] wizbit: the pxe image is on raid-1 sata 7200rpm seagate disks
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[16:38:24] wagnerrp: this box is booting over PXE?
[16:38:34] wagnerrp: are you compiling on this box? or the one that hosts the drives?
[16:38:54] wagnerrp: do you have other things running on that mirror, such as your server's OS, and database storage?
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[16:39:07] wizbit: yep, server os
[16:39:11] wizbit: but its pretty much idle
[16:39:18] wizbit: the backend is also on it
[16:39:32] wagnerrp: compilation is very disk intensive
[16:39:35] wizbit: asterisk, httpd, dhcpd, bind etc
[16:40:02] wagnerrp: you do not want to be compiling anything on that disk when recording, if your database lives on the same disk
[16:40:08] wizbit: when i change the frontend image to 64-bit i can do it directly on the server
[16:40:14] wizbit: ok
[16:40:36] wizbit: chroot into it
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[16:45:34] wizbit: ethtool shows: Speed: 1000Mb/s
[16:45:59] ** wizbit reboots then carefully checks dmesg for errors **
[16:47:45] wizbit: [ 0.153251] ACPI: Marking method _OSC as Serialized because of AE_ALREADY_EXISTS error
[16:47:49] wizbit: interesting
[16:48:51] wizbit: wow vdpau has different deinterlacers
[16:48:54] wizbit: what should i use
[16:49:49] wagnerrp: what card do you have?
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[16:50:29] wizbit: nvidia geforce 210
[16:50:36] wagnerrp: use VDPAU Normal
[16:50:43] wizbit: i got a dvd on and both cores are 5% :D
[16:50:51] wizbit: ok
[16:50:56] wagnerrp: they should be about that even if you werent using VDPAU
[16:51:03] wizbit: eeek
[16:51:09] wizbit: i got a hd video to test
[16:53:30] wizbit: wagnerrp: i dont have VDPAU normal, just VDPAU settings, and deinterlacers like temporal, advanced and bob
[16:53:47] wagnerrp: go way way way back
[16:53:53] wagnerrp: you hit edit at some point
[16:53:59] wagnerrp: go back before that
[16:54:08] wagnerrp: click the dropdown at the top of the menu
[16:54:13] wagnerrp: and select VDPAU Normal
[16:54:53] wizbit: Decoder: Nvidia ?
[16:55:02] wagnerrp: dont mess with anything
[16:55:12] wagnerrp: just select VDPAU Normal, and youre done
[16:55:25] wizbit: ohh yes
[16:55:29] wizbit: CPU++ change that
[16:55:35] wizbit: excellet
[16:56:09] wizbit: HD video copies
[16:56:15] wizbit: THIS WILL BE MY FIRST EVER TEST OF HD :D
[16:56:36] wizbit: ITS PLAYING!!!!
[16:56:56] wizbit: Cpu0  : 1.0%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.7%id, 1.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
[16:56:59] wizbit: Cpu1  : 1.0%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.4%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
[16:57:02] wizbit: HOLY LORDS
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[16:57:31] wizbit: oh dear, the screen is pixelated
[16:58:00] wizbit: that might be from a dodgy source
[16:59:23] wizbit: there are some open source hd videos
[16:59:25] ** wizbit finds **
[16:59:42] wagnerrp: try playing it with the Slim profile
[16:59:49] wagnerrp: not VDPAU Slim, just Slim
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[17:06:33] wizbit: wagnerrp: i need a good source first
[17:06:51] wagnerrp: the ffmpeg decoders are much more robust than the vdpau decoders
[17:06:54] wizbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_film
[17:07:05] wagnerrp: it is entirely possible something could be blocky and garbled under vdpau
[17:07:16] wizbit: oh ok
[17:07:17] wagnerrp: but play relatively fine under ffmpeg
[17:07:20] ** wizbit tests slim **
[17:07:47] Seeker`: wizbit: big buck bunny ftw
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[17:10:39] wizbit: slim plays it ok
[17:11:02] wizbit: my CPUs have gone up to about 30–40% each core
[17:11:24] wagnerrp: yeah, i forgot they were only 1.86GHz
[17:11:48] ** wizbit downloads a open source movie for testing **
[17:11:57] wizbit: big buck bunny
[17:13:31] wizbit: http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/
[17:13:37] wizbit: 1920 x 1080 – MP4
[17:13:39] wizbit: that should do
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[17:19:13] wizbit: i have a new soundcard in my box :-S
[17:19:21] wizbit: from the graphic card :-S
[17:19:33] wagnerrp: yes
[17:21:01] wizbit: i need to blacklist it
[17:21:17] wagnerrp: why?
[17:21:37] wizbit: even though sound is working, i cannot control it via remote anymore
[17:21:42] wizbit: PCM does not move
[17:21:57] wagnerrp: are you using analog or digital audio?
[17:22:47] wizbit: its a turtle beach, it can do both, at the moment analogue for normal tv
[17:22:55] wizbit: usually i can change vol with that
[17:22:56] wagnerrp: does your TV not have HDMI?
[17:23:01] wizbit: nope
[17:23:13] wizbit: i dont have a hdtv yet, thats on the want list
[17:23:19] wagnerrp: my guess, you have mythtv configured to use the wrong mixer device
[17:23:35] wizbit: aye ok
[17:23:37] wizbit: will check
[17:28:03] wizbit: alsa:default is now the nvidia audio, i tried /dev/mixer1 and /dev/mixer2 no luck
[17:28:28] wagnerrp: mixer1 and mixer2 are old OSS crap
[17:28:30] wagnerrp: you dont want that
[17:28:32] wizbit: eeek
[17:28:42] wagnerrp: did you scan for audio devices?
[17:28:46] wizbit: yep
[17:28:58] wizbit: i will redo it
[17:29:03] wagnerrp: you should be able to find something that matches your turtle beach card
[17:29:10] wizbit: yep i did
[17:29:12] wizbit: the sound is working
[17:29:16] wizbit: but not the controls
[17:30:11] wizbit: mixer device: software
[17:31:02] wizbit: if i press alsamixer
[17:31:06] wizbit: nvidia panel comes up
[17:31:13] wizbit: so that means the alsa:default is wrong
[17:31:41] wagnerrp: which doesnt matter, since youre manually selecting something other than alsa:default
[17:31:59] wizbit: http://techgage.com/news/disabling_nvidias_hd . . . under_linux/
[17:33:48] stuartm: wagnerrp: actually this has always been an issue, we don't auto-detect valid mixers, you can't select the mixer for the second device
[17:34:05] wagnerrp: hmm...
[17:34:18] wagnerrp: perhaps you could figure out the proper one with aplay?
[17:34:21] stuartm: I moaned about it years ago, still hasn't been fixed
[17:34:39] wagnerrp: anyone ever open a ticket for jya?
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[17:34:58] stuartm: it only lists 'ALSA:default' for mixer even if you have multiple audio devices (and multiple mixers)
[17:35:27] stuartm: wagnerrp: I think I must have done back when it affected me, but that was long before jya was in charge of audio
[17:35:58] wagnerrp: well we never bothered to autodetect valid output devices before jya reworked all that
[17:37:54] stuartm: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5342 << Seems JYA committed a fix just under two years ago
[17:38:17] stuartm: ticket was 2 years old at that point
[17:38:31] stuartm: was that before or after 0.24?
[17:38:44] wagnerrp: 2 years should have been before
[17:39:33] wagnerrp: thats almost prior to 0.23
[17:39:45] wagnerrp: 0.23 branched at around 24000
[17:40:14] stuartm: yeah, I lose track of when each release was made
[17:40:26] stuartm: 27163 was 0.24
[17:40:43] stuartm: so it should have been fixed in 0.24
[17:42:44] wizbit: i think my .asoundrc is using the wrong device, its a bit like putting in a new hard drive and all the devices change name
[17:42:56] wizbit: pcm.!default { type hw card 0 }
[17:42:59] wizbit: i bet that has changed
[17:43:13] stuartm: wizbit: ALSA:default should work for mixer
[17:43:28] wagnerrp: ideally, you wouldnt bother with an asoundrc, and would just let mythtv handle selection of the proper devices
[17:43:34] stuartm: wizbit: drop the .asoundrc?
[17:43:50] wizbit: ohhh
[17:43:56] wizbit: removes it
[17:44:22] wizbit: the plot thickens
[17:48:22] wizbit: i got it working by changing hw card to 1 need to fiddle around with mythtv more to see if it can do it alone
[17:52:11] wizbit: SLEEP MODE WORKS!!
[17:52:20] wizbit: /usr/bin/acpitool -s
[17:52:31] wizbit: this is a bargain, cheap, silent perfectly working HD frontend
[17:52:54] wizbit: WOL turns it back on :D
[17:59:48] Scopeuk: wizbit, what device?
[18:00:22] wagnerrp: an old core2duo SFF OEM system
[18:00:41] wizbit: HP DC7700 USDT ultra-slim
[18:00:47] Scopeuk: ahh fair enough
[18:01:06] wizbit: anybody know where i can download a hd sample?
[18:01:28] wizbit: vdpau doesnt work with this ogg
[18:03:55] stuartm: http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/
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[18:04:19] stuartm: grab the H.264 one
[18:04:25] wizbit: right ok
[18:04:42] wizbit: http://mirrorblender.top-ix.org/peach/bigbuck . . . 80p_h264.mov
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[18:48:02] wizbit: vdpau is annoying, my core2duo is now doing hardly anything :(
[18:48:35] [R]: lol
[18:48:40] [R]: but you'll be glad you have the power
[18:48:44] wizbit: aye :D
[18:48:48] [R]: whehn you run into somethign vdpau can't handle
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[18:49:27] wizbit: this wille be a good test: i_am_legend-1080p_blu-ray_trailer
[18:49:38] wizbit: waiting for it to download
[18:50:38] [R]: how is that a test?
[18:50:41] [R]: we all know vdpau can handle that
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[18:55:31] wizbit: 1080P trailor playing
[18:55:31] wizbit: Cpu0  : 1.0%us, 0.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.1%id, 1.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st
[18:55:34] wizbit: Cpu1  : 0.3%us, 0.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 99
[18:55:37] wizbit: awesome :D
[18:56:40] wizbit: now lets see if a core2duo 1.86GHz can play it
[18:58:10] wizbit: Cpu0  : 28.5%us, 0.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 69.3%id, 0.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 1.0%si, 0.0%st
[18:58:13] wizbit: Cpu1  : 35.7%us, 0.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 63.6%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
[18:58:16] wizbit: awesome
[19:06:11] stuartm: wizbit: a 1.86Ghz might struggle with something harder, e.g. a blu-ray rip – an internet trailer tends to be encoded to reduce size, not for quality
[19:06:39] stuartm: in fact, what's the codec used for that trailer?
[19:06:58] [R]: stuartm: thats what she said
[19:07:00] wizbit: the container is mp4. inside is h.264
[19:07:19] wizbit: i think
[19:07:21] wizbit: im unsure
[19:07:27] stuartm: we recommend 2Ghz minimum for H.264 HD, 2.5Ghz to do it comfortably
[19:07:30] wizbit: I Am Legend – Trailer.mp4
[19:07:48] wizbit: stuartm: i will use vdpau so it doesnt matter too much
[19:07:54] stuartm: but with VDPAU it's irrelevant
[19:07:58] wizbit: aye
[19:09:41] stuartm: well not totally irrelevant, decoding audio still uses the cpu (hence why ion systems can still have problems)
[19:09:42] ** wizbit leaves system on vdpau high quality **
[19:09:53] wizbit: oh interesting
[19:10:07] [R]: digital audio ftw
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[19:17:27] clever: stuartm: ive found that my vdpau still struggled with 1080p, but not 720-ish stuff
[19:18:07] wizbit: clever: what class is your card
[19:18:25] stuartm: clever: ^
[19:18:29] clever: laptop nvidia, dont actualy have that exact laptop anymore
[19:18:38] clever: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1)
[19:18:45] wizbit: o_0
[19:18:54] clever: does this 'new' one support vdpau, havent seen it working since i upgraded the hardware
[19:19:33] stuartm: heh, I didn't even know that supported vdpau, I thought the minimum was the 8xxx series
[19:19:53] wizbit: the OSD seems to work faster these days
[19:20:00] Seeker`: that must be, what, 6 years old?
[19:20:10] clever: stuartm: that may explain why its not doing anything lately
[19:20:57] clever: i was using my dads work laptop, a dell d630, but he kepting wanting it back durring the day
[19:21:10] clever: i now have a 'it doesnt work' laptop from a coworker, a dell d620
[19:21:11] Seeker`: pesky work :P
[19:21:19] clever: he claims it didnt work anymore
[19:21:38] clever: so far, the ethernet is flaky and the built-in speaker is crap, but it works fine
[19:22:10] stuartm: yeah, Nvidia docs show that hardware to have no VDPAU features
[19:22:27] clever: ah, so this model laptop is too old :(
[19:22:46] stuartm: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/2 . . . edchips.html
[19:23:15] clever: also, ever since i did my last upgrade of the nvidia drivers, dpms stopped working
[19:23:28] clever: 'xset dpms force off' just turns the screen a glowing black
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[19:25:19] clever: oh, and even weirder, the nvidia-settings contains no nvidia-settings!
[19:25:27] clever: just a .so lib and some text files
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[19:36:21] spinningcog: Hi, I just installed mythmuiscon my Ubuntu 11.10 system, and it seems that it cannot Recognize FLAC files. any idea why?
[19:41:49] wizbit: right, pxe uses NFS, and NFS is slower than a local disk?
[19:42:02] wizbit: i wonder if there is a way to speed up NFS
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[19:44:07] [R]: pxe doesn't "use" anythign
[19:44:22] wizbit: i got the wrong terms as usual
[19:44:34] wizbit: but the system is mounted via nfs
[19:44:43] [R]: the system *CAN* be mounted via nfs
[19:45:11] wizbit: 192.168.1.100:/srv/tftp/slackware-13.37 on / type nfs (rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=524288,wsize=524288,namlen=255,hard,nolock,proto=tcp,t imeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=192.168.1.100,mountvers=3,mountproto=tcp,lo cal_lock=all,addr=192.168.1.100)
[19:46:33] wizbit: 'try using no_wdelay and sync options in the exports file'
[19:47:06] [R]: wagnerrp uses some kind of crazy stuff like iscsi or something
[19:47:26] wizbit: LOL
[19:47:31] wizbit: here are my export options
[19:47:32] wizbit: /srv/tftp/slackware-13.37 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,insecure,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
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[20:11:32] Scopeuk: [R], if its an option why not
[20:11:46] [R]: Scopeuk: ?
[20:12:00] Scopeuk: [R] wagnerrp uses some kind of crazy stuff like iscsi or something
[20:12:08] [R]: what?
[20:12:33] Scopeuk: if iscsi is available to you why not use it
[20:12:48] [R]: wtf?
[20:12:48] Scopeuk: was a flippant remark best just let it die
[20:13:00] ** [R] thinks someoen shoudl stop smoking the crack **
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[20:13:21] ** Scopeuk has never touched the stuff, but any way moving on **
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[21:51:37] wagnerrp: Scopeuk: why would iscsi not be an option?
[21:51:45] wagnerrp: there are software targets available
[21:51:58] wagnerrp: its all just a matter of configuration
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[22:24:41] Beirdo: OK, am I the only person who finds "Rob" actually a pretty good show?
[22:24:56] wagnerrp: probably
[22:25:29] Beirdo: well, having lived through being a gringo with a latino wife (and corresponding family)...
[22:25:31] wagnerrp: poor cheech
[22:25:48] wagnerrp: must have really been hurting to break the cardinal rule of hollywood
[22:25:57] Beirdo: ?
[22:26:00] Beirdo: which is?
[22:26:06] wagnerrp: avoid rob schneider
[22:26:11] Beirdo: hehehe
[22:26:19] Beirdo: yeah, well, there is that
[22:30:26] Technophil: Sorry for the stupid question, can someone tell me how to run and access the tkmythremote?
[22:31:38] wagnerrp: should just be 'tkmythremote <host>'
[22:31:47] wagnerrp: and it will pop up a simple gui with buttons to click
[22:32:19] Technophil: in the terminal window?
[22:32:36] wagnerrp: sure
[22:42:14] Technophil: there must be something else I need to do, I am getting coommand not found, even though the file /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/remotes/tkmythremote/tkmythremote
[22:42:15] Technophil: is there?
[22:42:40] wagnerrp: youre running that full path directly?
[22:43:03] wagnerrp: well first off, i would advist updating
[22:43:22] wagnerrp: since in order to have that there, youre running at least 0.23, maybe 0.22
[22:43:50] Technophil: Yes 0.23
[22:44:03] wagnerrp: second, im better the specified interpreter at the top of the file is the command its looking for, and the command that cannot be found
[22:44:11] wagnerrp: s/better/betting/
[22:46:33] Technophil: /usr/bin/wish links to an executable that runs
[22:50:12] Technophil: Actually the file seems out of date with what's on the wiki
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