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| [00:58:04] | kwtm2: | Twiggy2cents: Sorry, I don't understand. I see that, from the backend setup, I can set up a storage group which will store the recordings under a new directory, so I can store my news recordings elsewhere (which I don't need to do). And then I already see that Setup->TV settings->General settings will have the "auto expire stuff". |
| [00:58:42] | kwtm2: | Twiggy2cents: How does that help me make my news recordings autoexpire, say, one week after each one is recorded? While being able to keep my other recordings indefinitely until I run low on disk space? |
| [00:59:28] | wagnerrp: | kwtm2: you can configure recording rules to only allow a certain number to exist on disk, and to delete old to record new |
| [00:59:38] | wagnerrp: | this runs independent of free space auto-expiration |
| [00:59:45] | kwtm2: | There must be some way, since recordings classified as "LiveTV" are by default set to autoexpire in a day. So I'd like to do the same, but for certain category. |
| [01:00:22] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the info. So, I could specific a certain number of recordings within a ... category? storage group? recording group? ... to exist, while allowing other recordings to accumulate in number? |
| [01:00:40] | wagnerrp: | category? no... it only operates per recording rule |
| [01:01:03] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: But ... oh!! So that particular recording rule would only allow a certain number of recordings that were triggered by that rule, then? |
| [01:01:07] | wagnerrp: | i.e. you set mythtv to record the channel 5 6pm news every day |
| [01:01:22] | wagnerrp: | and you want to keep a week, so you tell it to keep five episodes of that news |
| [01:01:33] | wagnerrp: | and you tell it to delete old to record new |
| [01:01:42] | kwtm2: | I see where I'm confused. I have two rules to record "the news", one for weekdays, and one for weekends, and in my mind I "had to" put them in the same category. |
| [01:02:15] | wagnerrp: | so you let it fill up to a week's worth, and then tonights recording would delete the recording made on the 25th |
| [01:02:20] | kwtm2: | But I see that I can just say keep 5 weekday recordings and 5 weekend recordings, and that would be an improvement over the 200 that I currently have (which apparently I can't delete without spending 20 minutes individually telling MythTV to delete). |
| [01:02:36] | kwtm2: | Ok, will try right now. Going to my media computer; brb. |
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| [01:02:51] | wagnerrp: | you can also write your own power rule to lump several different news shows into a single block of recordings |
| [01:03:00] | wagnerrp: | and collectively share the limit between them |
| [01:08:31] | kwtm2: | great. done. So we'll see how this goes. How do I write power rules? Do I feed stuff directly into the MySQL database? |
| [01:10:59] | Twiggy2cents: | kwtm2, on your view recording screen, if you add the whole news catagory to a playlist you then have the option to remove all episodes in the playlist |
| [01:11:38] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: Wait, there's a mistake! HELP! It says "this will not be recorded because there are already too many episodes recorded"! |
| [01:12:26] | kwtm2: | Twiggy2cents: Ok... I will see how to do that, since apparently it won't record tonight's news because there are already too many episodes recorded. So will try to see how to delete the whole playlist ... darn, and I have to leave soon. Hope I get ot see the news tonight or the wife will freak. |
| [01:12:40] | kwtm2: | Where do I find a "playlist"? Under Manage Recordings? |
| [01:13:01] | Twiggy2cents: | select the group and press 'm' then add to playlist |
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| [01:15:01] | kwtm2: | a "group" is a recording rule? Or it's the name of the TV show, under Manage Recordings > Watch Recordings? (e.g. all recordings of "News At 10")? |
| [01:17:03] | Twiggy2cents: | 2nd one |
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| [01:17:25] | wagnerrp: | kwtm2: you have to explicitly tell it you want to delete old copies to allow for new ones |
| [01:18:00] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: Where do I tell it to delete old? I didn't see that option. Recording rules > Storage options > ... then what? |
| [01:18:32] | kwtm2: | Twiggy2cents: Ok, I found out how to add to playlist. Then how do I delete all recordings in a playlist? What is a playlist — is it a built-in list of programs I want to watch? |
| [01:20:17] | wagnerrp: | kwtm2: in storage options... its the bottom two |
| [01:20:25] | wagnerrp: | 'keep at most <n> episodes' |
| [01:20:34] | wagnerrp: | and 'delete oldest if this would exceed the max episodes' |
| [01:21:13] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: I found it! It was a very long-named option and I didn't see the entire name on the label (maybe I need to adjust my fontsize). So, I've set it to delete oldest... does that mean it will delete around 193 recordings if I told it to keep 7 and I have 200? Or will it just delete the oldest one? |
| [01:21:55] | wagnerrp: | you have 193 recordings mapped to this single rule? |
| [01:22:27] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: This rule has been around for a long time. It could be anywhere from 50 to 500 — I can't remember. I haven't had much time to spend on MythTV. |
| [01:23:00] | kwtm2: | wagnerrp: At first I figured I could manually delete, but apparently that gives MythTV seizures. |
| [01:24:04] | kwtm2: | Anyway, I guess I'll find out. Anyway, thanks for your help! I have to go now (otherwise I might as well manually record myself rather than having MythTV do it). I guess I'll see tonight whether I have 7 episodes left, or whether there are still a few hundred. |
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| [01:43:11] | sceo: | I've got three frontends running, one is my master backend/frontend combo. On that machine, my recordings won't play audio. On the other two, it plays fine. What am I missing? (This is an HD-PVR) |
| [01:43:43] | wagnerrp: | how are you trying to play audio? |
| [01:43:55] | sceo: | just through the main frontend / "watch recordings." |
| [01:44:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean... analog? spdif? hdmi? |
| [01:44:10] | sceo: | however, I've also fired up a raw test.ts, same problem, and playing recordings in vlc. |
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| [01:44:51] | sceo: | ahh, input is coming from the hd-pvr as regular RCA's, playback through the sound card 1/8" speakers – so all very analog |
| [01:45:38] | wagnerrp: | what output device did you select in mythfrontend? |
| [01:46:22] | sceo: | ALSA:default |
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| [01:46:54] | wagnerrp: | is that just what was default, or did you scan and intentionally select that? |
| [01:47:02] | sceo: | was default afaik |
| [01:47:05] | sceo: | let me do a scan now |
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| [01:48:20] | sceo: | there's a lot of Card=NVidia stuff in there (all are ALSA, which I would expect) |
| [01:48:37] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia stuff... you have a GT2xx-GT5xx card? |
| [01:49:14] | sceo: | It might help to know that Mythnetvision plays stuff from YouTube/Hulu fine w/ audio, it's just the recordings... and it's not just mythfrontend, cuz playing them in VLC doesn't work. |
| [01:49:19] | sceo: | ...let me check on the exact card. |
| [01:49:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont need the exact card |
| [01:49:41] | wagnerrp: | just whether its an nvidia card GT2xx or newer |
| [01:49:56] | wagnerrp: | if yes, then that is the digital-only support on your graphics card |
| [01:50:09] | wagnerrp: | if no, then that is the onboard audio on your motherboard |
| [01:50:20] | wagnerrp: | and you want to select one of the analog outputs on that |
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| [01:52:10] | sceo: | i know that I'm trying to play back through the onboard audio; I don't have a separate video card. |
| [01:52:33] | sceo: | it's an XFX motherboard.. "NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard" at that. |
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| [02:03:05] | MylesMan: | hey all |
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| [02:03:37] | MylesMan: | where in the mythtv backend script do i put it the sleep directive |
| [02:03:48] | MylesMan: | startup script |
| [02:03:54] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [02:04:27] | wagnerrp: | what 'sleep directive'? |
| [02:04:37] | MylesMan: | sleep 30 |
| [02:04:52] | MylesMan: | or w/e |
| [02:04:55] | wagnerrp: | what are you talking about? |
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| [02:05:45] | MylesMan: | i have to restart my be b/c at boot my fe throws out a msg that all tuners are in use |
| [02:06:08] | MylesMan: | but there are no recordings |
| [02:06:14] | wagnerrp: | then your init sequence is broken |
| [02:06:33] | wagnerrp: | because mythbackend is starting up before your tuner drivers, or perhaps network access to your HDHR |
| [02:07:58] | MylesMan: | cant i delay the backend startup i have a sleep 30 on my old rigs be init script i just dont remenber where in the script i inserted it |
| [02:08:05] | MylesMan: | btw HDHR? |
| [02:08:12] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun |
| [02:08:15] | wagnerrp: | network attached tuner |
| [02:08:28] | MylesMan: | its an HVR-1950 usb |
| [02:09:25] | wagnerrp: | then you need to do whatever needs to be done for your init sequencing to ensure USB gets set up before mythbackend |
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| [02:11:29] | MylesMan: | found it |
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| [02:12:41] | slickrick: | hi. can anyone confirm if the stock ir emitter that comes with the hdpvr flashes when it is sending? |
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| [02:18:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm mostly back... Got a question about DPMS? |
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| [02:36:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know if you can overload signals/slots? |
| [02:37:06] | sphery: | no idea... I don't know much about signals/slots |
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| [02:44:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont like firefox being fixed |
| [02:44:26] | wagnerrp: | you know, i had just gotten used to scrolling down the bottom of the page to hit 'recent changes' |
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| [02:52:46] | sphery: | but think of the miles it will save on your scroll wheel |
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| [02:59:49] | skd5aner: | sphery: I'll have to catch you tomorrow... thx |
| [03:00:03] | sphery: | ok |
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| [03:02:32] | stevieman: | hey all, I'm coming back to myth after a misguided foray into the land of MS |
| [03:03:01] | stevieman: | I was running mythbuntu 8.04 (I think) which would have been myth .22? |
| [03:03:23] | wagnerrp: | no, 0.20.2 probably |
| [03:03:38] | stevieman: | what greatness will I find in .24? |
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| [03:03:57] | stevieman: | I'm waiting for the release notes to load |
| [03:04:15] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 was march 8th, 08 |
| [03:04:26] | wagnerrp: | possibly too late for 8.04 |
| [03:04:30] | skd5aner: | !url currentrelease |
| [03:04:30] | MythLogBot: | currentrelease: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes |
| [03:04:34] | stevieman: | perhaps |
| [03:04:45] | skd5aner: | !url currentdevelopment |
| [03:04:46] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword currentdevelopment |
| [03:04:52] | skd5aner: | !url currentdevrelease |
| [03:04:53] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword currentdevrelease |
| [03:04:56] | skd5aner: | !url – list |
| [03:04:56] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [03:05:05] | skd5aner: | !url devrelease |
| [03:05:05] | MythLogBot: | devrelease: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dev_Release_Notes |
| [03:05:13] | skd5aner: | YEA... EAT ME |
| [03:05:34] | ** wagnerrp gets a vat of cooking grease ** | |
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| [03:07:34] | stevieman: | is there a plugin that gives Tivo like function? For example makes recommendations of new shows based on what you watch? |
| [03:07:46] | skd5aner: | no |
| [03:07:51] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple of external scripts |
| [03:07:54] | wagnerrp: | nothing official |
| [03:08:02] | skd5aner: | are those scripts even still valid? |
| [03:08:07] | skd5aner: | I mean, I remember stuff from like 2005 |
| [03:08:25] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
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| [03:09:03] | wagnerrp: | stevieman: usually the recommendation is that this is not tivo, this is a pc, and inherently modular and expandable |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | if you want stuff recommended, add tuners and storage until you record everything |
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| [03:09:34] | skd5aner: | I wonder if a true recommendation engine (third-party or not) will ever catch on with mythtv? |
| [03:09:36] | wagnerrp: | then wait for the reviews to start coming out and delete the cruft |
| [03:10:01] | skd5aner: | I mean, I /might/ like such a thing, but honestly, I've got enough to watch and I pay attention to major premiers |
| [03:10:02] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: yep, I think that feature is neat. Media-Portal has it which drew me there |
| [03:10:25] | wagnerrp: | there are a number of people who have power rules to automatically record any new premiers |
| [03:10:26] | skd5aner: | also, without the context of users, it would probably end up recording a bunch of random stuff in a family setup |
| [03:10:54] | stevieman: | skd5aner: I watch the shows I watch and nothing more. I frequently findout about shows I'd like from friends or co-workers |
| [03:11:07] | skd5aner: | the stuff my wife watches don't necessarily match up with me, and if the recommendation engine is trying to compare something I love (that the wife doesnt) with something the wife loves (that I don't) – then the recommendations are probably going to suck for both of us |
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| [03:11:19] | wagnerrp: | stevieman: but at that point, youve already missed a couple shows |
| [03:11:19] | skd5aner: | stevieman: true |
| [03:11:46] | wagnerrp: | so youre stuck with rentals when the movies come out, or possibly reruns on hulu |
| [03:11:49] | stevieman: | yah, but perhaps the recomendation might catch it early enough |
| [03:12:14] | wagnerrp: | ive never used a tivo to have any idea of how well that does or does not work |
| [03:12:27] | slickrick: | hi. i fixed my ir blaster problem and now i'm trying to test out watching live tv on my hdpvr and getting the 0 byte file problem. |
| [03:12:30] | slickrick: | it just bombs when switching to that source from the frontend. output of the slaves log where the hdpvr is connected: http://pastebin.com/s1qceVgX |
| [03:13:25] | wagnerrp: | when is the last time youve power cycled that HDPVR? |
| [03:13:30] | slickrick: | i've tried the usual stuff like removing power for 15 seconds, rebooting ect. it does work if i cat /dev/video0 however. |
| [03:13:34] | stevieman: | all I know about it is that you have to have a subscription to access the recomendation DB. it compairs your likes to other users likes and makes recomendations based on similarities |
| [03:13:39] | slickrick: | i just did before i captured that log |
| [03:13:54] | slickrick: | and i tried power cycling and rebooting after the cat /dev/video0 test. |
| [03:14:18] | stevieman: | has mythbuntu fixed the IR blaster issue yet? |
| [03:14:41] | skd5aner: | slickrick: when you say you're getting 0 byte... what exactly is happening when you launch livetv? |
| [03:14:51] | skd5aner: | you might need to put a sleep in your channel change script |
| [03:15:23] | slickrick: | its in the log i put on pastebin: Error: OpenFile(): File too small (0B) |
| [03:15:32] | skd5aner: | it could be timing out – my STB needs several seconds (even more so when using live tv) to stabilize enough for the hd-pvr to record after a channel change |
| [03:15:46] | skd5aner: | does it work for recordings? |
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| [03:15:47] | slickrick: | do you mean the sleep between button presses or the last sleep before the script exits? (i am using the one from the wiki.) |
| [03:16:39] | skd5aner: | sleep at the end of your channel change script (because mythtv waits or the channel change script to finish executing before it starts it's timer |
| [03:17:05] | skd5aner: | you may need as much as 5–20 seconds... play around |
| [03:17:18] | skd5aner: | live tv watching with the HDPVR is NOT fun thought |
| [03:17:42] | skd5aner: | s/thought/though |
| [03:17:44] | slickrick: | well the wiki script has sleep 7 at the end and i just tried 15. with that i get the "you should have received a channel lock by now ..." |
| [03:18:00] | skd5aner: | yea, like I said – it can take a while... |
| [03:18:09] | skd5aner: | in live tv, it can take upwards of 20+ seconds before I see anything |
| [03:18:14] | slickrick: | i never watch live tv anymore since having mythtv. this is just a test to see if my hdpvr is working. |
| [03:18:22] | slickrick: | wow really? |
| [03:18:26] | skd5aner: | yea, easily |
| [03:18:27] | slickrick: | what kind of stb? |
| [03:18:27] | stevieman: | oh MythMagic plugin does the TiVo style recomendations |
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| [03:18:33] | skd5aner: | sa3250hd |
| [03:18:40] | slickrick: | are you in canada? |
| [03:18:43] | skd5aner: | no, us |
| [03:18:53] | slickrick: | those boxes are used by rogers up here. |
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| [03:19:07] | skd5aner: | yea, it's either those or comast for pretty much most of NA |
| [03:19:30] | skd5aner: | but – the signal on the STB has to stabilize before the HD-PVR will record properly... |
| [03:19:44] | skd5aner: | and if the HD-PVR tries too many times too earlier, it can simply fail out |
| [03:20:03] | slickrick: | the new one i got is a cisco 4642. this one seems a lot faster than the 3250 i used to have. |
| [03:20:08] | skd5aner: | hence the sleep – basically lengthens the timeout AND gets your HD-PVR more time to receive a stable signal |
| [03:20:20] | skd5aner: | what version of mythtv are you using? |
| [03:20:27] | slickrick: | 0.24 |
| [03:20:31] | skd5aner: | -fixes? |
| [03:20:39] | skd5aner: | or 0.24.1/2? |
| [03:20:39] | slickrick: | sorry, yes. |
| [03:20:42] | skd5aner: | np... |
| [03:20:54] | skd5aner: | ummm... I would actually try a recording first |
| [03:21:02] | slickrick: | 0.24.2 |
| [03:21:06] | slickrick: | from the repos. |
| [03:21:11] | skd5aner: | recordings seem to ALWAYS work better with the hd-pvr than they do with live tv |
| [03:21:15] | slickrick: | ok, i'll try that, |
| [03:21:23] | skd5aner: | if that works, then tweak until you can get livetv working |
| [03:21:46] | slickrick: | is your hdpvr working well? i have read lots of problems online about it locking up. |
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| [03:21:58] | skd5aner: | one trick, tell it to record whatever channel the STB is already tuned to... that eliminates the issue of the STB having to sync it's signal since it's already on the channel |
| [03:22:21] | skd5aner: | heh – it worked well for 2 years, and now it acts up... has to be restarted every few days |
| [03:22:40] | slickrick: | thats disappointing. |
| [03:23:00] | skd5aner: | I have one of these now – doesn't solve the problem of the first bad recording, but at least restarts the box when it sees a bad one happened – http://www.hdpvrkillerdevice.com/ |
| [03:23:09] | skd5aner: | (that said, it doesn't play nice with livetv at all for me) |
| [03:23:37] | slickrick: | yeah i saw a reference to that today and checked it out. |
| [03:23:37] | skd5aner: | I have one new in box, I should probably swap it out... but I'm lazy |
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| [03:23:58] | skd5aner: | the guy who makes them is Beirdo in here |
| [03:24:21] | slickrick: | oh cool, i have seen beirdo in here before. |
| [03:24:35] | skd5aner: | anyway – I need to head out, good luck... worry about getting a good recording first – for me, it's always been easier to troubleshoot it that way (wherease for my other tunes, LiveTV is a good way to troubleshoot) |
| [03:24:56] | slickrick: | i was actually fine with my previous setup.... two hdpvrs and analog cable to record one show i didn't get via atsc. but they are shutting down the analog cable soon so i am down the hdpvr road now. |
| [03:25:04] | slickrick: | thanks skd5aner. |
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| [04:03:53] | slickrick: | thanks skd5aner. |
| [04:07:00] | slickrick: | on my slave the data direct lineup does not stay at digital cable. eg. if i change it then hit finish and then go back to source setup it has reverted to regular cable dd lineup. |
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| [09:30:12] | hot_wheelz: | hi guys how are we? |
| [09:32:44] | hot_wheelz: | Does anybody know what methods is being used to achieve the Blu-ray playback in the upcoming release what libraries are being used so I can replicate this on my laptop which has a blu-ray drive |
| [09:45:48] | ServerSage: | hot_wheelz: Take a look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25 |
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| [14:03:11] | jnj: | hi. when I'm watching live-tv i'm getting a double picture (one at the top and one at the bottom). what setting have I wrong? |
| [14:03:39] | wagnerrp: | the one where you installed an AMD video card |
| [14:07:59] | jnj: | i have an amd videocard yes |
| [14:08:17] | jnj: | fusion chipset to be precise |
| [14:08:24] | jnj: | any fix for that? |
| [14:09:04] | wagnerrp: | fusion... meaning one of the low end E-350s? or a higher end A6/8? |
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| [14:10:52] | jnj: | puh |
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| [14:12:41] | jnj: | i have this motherboard http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E45M1I_DELUXE/ |
| [14:12:46] | jnj: | seems like e-450 |
| [14:14:27] | wagnerrp: | your immediate problems can be resolved by going into your playback profiles, and modifying it to use a deinterlace filter other than "bob" |
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| [14:15:05] | jnj: | thanks i will try that |
| [14:15:15] | wagnerrp: | your long term problems come from the fact that a 1.65GHz AMD chip isn't sufficient for much of any HD playback |
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| [14:23:37] | jnj: | damn. i was hoping that amd's xvba would solve that |
| [14:24:33] | wagnerrp: | AMD talked about xvba for three years before finally making it available last year |
| [14:24:57] | wagnerrp: | chances are no one is ever going to use it anyway when they already have VAAPI support and the VAAPI frontend to xvba |
| [14:25:33] | wagnerrp: | however even with support through VAAPI, and VAAPI support being added to 0.25, AMD's Linux graphics drivers simply arent reliable |
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| [14:30:22] | seeker: | Anyone have any recommendations for media centre cases? |
| [14:30:42] | seeker: | mATX, preferably full height cards |
| [14:40:16] | jnj: | wagnerrp, thanks for the info |
| [14:40:35] | rhpot1991: | seeker: antec fusion is decent |
| [14:40:50] | rhpot1991: | normally comes with ir receiver and lcd/led too |
| [14:42:37] | seeker: | That's what I had my eye on. The black remote one possibly |
| [14:45:26] | seeker: | Although the smaller one might be good if I can get a half height bracket for my 430 |
| [14:45:58] | seeker: | Ah, and a smaller CPU fan |
| [14:46:14] | wagnerrp: | s/smaller/larger/ |
| [14:47:20] | seeker: | s/fan/heatsink actually |
| [14:47:33] | wagnerrp: | definitely larger then |
| [14:48:00] | wagnerrp: | you want as large a heatsink, and as large a fan, as you can possibly fit |
| [14:48:50] | seeker: | "arctic cooling freezer 7 low profile" |
| [14:50:35] | wagnerrp: | been a long time since ive used a HS with only an 80mm fan |
| [14:51:09] | seeker: | It's a frontend only, so the processor never really gets taxed |
| [14:51:46] | seeker: | Might load 1 core to 30% running my ambilight clone software |
| [14:51:52] | wagnerrp: | and playback |
| [14:52:04] | seeker: | Everything else is done on the GPU |
| [14:52:30] | seeker: | 5–8% utilisation for the frontend |
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| [14:53:00] | wagnerrp: | low profile, i would think more something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185174 |
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| [14:54:58] | seeker: | Will have to check if something like that will fit the mobo. Planning on getting an SSD too. Hopefully get rid of the horrible old noisy case and clicking hard drive |
| [14:55:14] | wagnerrp: | do you plan on rebooting frequently? |
| [14:58:11] | seeker: | Not really |
| [14:58:25] | wagnerrp: | then an SSD wont get you much |
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| [15:00:52] | seeker: | Looking at £40 for a 250gb spinning disk drive, or £50 for a 32gb SSD, and I don't need the extra space |
| [15:01:07] | wagnerrp: | so buy neither and netboot off your backend |
| [15:01:25] | seeker: | Hmm |
| [15:05:10] | rhpot1991: | seeker: my opinion, tuck a backend somewhere and get a nice tiny ion2 frontend instead |
| [15:05:24] | rhpot1991: | I have a fusion, and wish I had my backend in something else, lack of hard drives and all |
| [15:05:55] | rhpot1991: | and I recall that scythe stopped making the ninja mini 2, which was the preferred cooler for in an antec fusion |
| [15:06:40] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [15:06:56] | wagnerrp: | a half-height tower to vent directly out those side fans sounds ideal |
| [15:07:21] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: there are 2 large fans on the side of a fusion |
| [15:07:24] | rhpot1991: | that blow right at your cpu |
| [15:07:35] | rhpot1991: | and then you can do 80mm fan on the cpu cooler on top |
| [15:07:45] | seeker: | rhpot1991: I've already got my backend separate (although sadly still in the same room) |
| [15:07:46] | wagnerrp: | if those are intake, wheres the exhaust? |
| [15:07:50] | rhpot1991: | so heat isn't much of an issue, but expansion will get you |
| [15:08:03] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: its got vents all over for exhaust |
| [15:08:09] | rhpot1991: | top, back, etc |
| [15:08:17] | rhpot1991: | I'm fairly sure those are intakes and not outputs |
| [15:08:41] | rhpot1991: | seeker: why go with something that big for a frontend then? |
| [15:09:25] | seeker: | Didn't think the antec was that big |
| [15:09:40] | rhpot1991: | get this |
| [15:09:40] | rhpot1991: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YTATCS/r . . . N=B003YTATCS |
| [15:09:51] | rhpot1991: | and this |
| [15:09:52] | rhpot1991: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035FIS2O/r . . . N=B0035FIS2O |
| [15:10:18] | rhpot1991: | seeker: its the size of a large piece of stereo equipment |
| [15:10:18] | wagnerrp: | meh |
| [15:10:25] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: not an ion fan? |
| [15:10:44] | wagnerrp: | not an Atom fan |
| [15:11:00] | wagnerrp: | its not the IONs fault it got paired up with a loser |
| [15:11:15] | rhpot1991: | I'll agree, but for video playback it does the job |
| [15:11:23] | rhpot1991: | and at $300ish its hard to beat |
| [15:11:27] | seeker: | rhpot1991: I've got space under my tv for a large piece of stereo equipment :) |
| [15:11:42] | rhpot1991: | seeker: go for it then |
| [15:12:15] | seeker: | I also already have the guts of the machine (it's what im using ATM), I just want a more appropriate case |
| [15:14:40] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: those are exhaust fans, the intake vents line the bottom of the front of the case, under the hard drives |
| [15:15:41] | wagnerrp: | at least if theyre internally set up like the 1480 and 2480... http://www.antec.com/images/400/NSK2400_i.jpg |
| [15:15:49] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: the back of the case is all vented too |
| [15:16:02] | rhpot1991: | yep thats it |
| [15:16:16] | rhpot1991: | and the fans are on the right hand side at the top |
| [15:16:17] | rhpot1991: | of that image |
| [15:16:30] | rhpot1991: | it shows 2 black plates there |
| [15:17:27] | wagnerrp: | the 1480 specifically says theyre exhaust fans |
| [15:17:46] | wagnerrp: | but i havent been able to get a good shot of the fusion/2480 to see which way the blades are angled |
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| [15:19:46] | russell5: | would you recommend a nettop for a frontend on a main tv of the house? looking to move my combo fe/be away from the entertainment center. |
| [15:20:05] | wagnerrp: | absolutely not |
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| [15:20:26] | russell5: | thanks. so i should go with just a small computer |
| [15:20:36] | wagnerrp: | why spend all that money on a screen that is never going to get used? |
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| [15:21:43] | russell5: | just figured a netop with vpdau would be ok. but that was just an assumtion |
| [15:22:24] | wagnerrp: | its as good an option as the ION board rhpot1991 linked to above, but with the added cost of a battery, hard drive, and monitor |
| [15:24:58] | russell5: | thanks. |
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| [17:53:21] | sphery: | seeker: re: theming, with me, I can't even tell the difference between "generally looks right" to "actually looks right", so you're one up on me |
| [17:54:33] | seeker: | sphery: By "generally" I mean "components in the right part of the screen" |
| [17:55:01] | seeker: | "actually" means "doesn't look like a 5 year old positioned them" :P |
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| [17:56:03] | sphery: | seeker: yeah, I understand, but I'm really /that/ lacking in artistic/visual talent |
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| [17:56:58] | seeker: | Im trying to copy another theme, so I have no excuse :) |
| [17:57:07] | sphery: | I tend to see beyond the visual and only notice the usability/efficiency, so can't really distinguish between right/wrong/good/bad/... |
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| [17:57:21] | sphery: | (never been good with those subjective things) |
| [17:57:33] | wagnerrp: | i bet you like the A-10 |
| [17:59:49] | seeker: | See http://youtu.be/SPAsk_x_wIk?hd=1&t=39s |
| [17:59:54] | sphery: | Warthog? Beautiful! |
| [18:00:16] | sphery: | (and quite impressive--I got to see a live fire demonstration back in college... Sweet!) |
| [18:01:58] | wagnerrp: | its amusing when you realize theyve decided that gun is really bigger than they need |
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| [18:02:50] | wagnerrp: | they never bother running it at full RPM because one burst at low RPM is sufficient |
| [18:04:27] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [18:05:05] | wagnerrp: | well this is annoying |
| [18:05:25] | wagnerrp: | im getting an error that i should have a constructor before the ::... only im trying to define the constructor on that line |
| [18:05:26] | seeker: | sphery: Done much theming? |
| [18:05:47] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Mismatched bracket earlier |
| [18:05:50] | seeker: | In the file? |
| [18:06:04] | wagnerrp: | bah, nevermind |
| [18:06:19] | wagnerrp: | i had the ~ before the class, not before the destructor method |
| [18:06:59] | sphery: | seeker: no, none at all. planning to start a project, though--with eventual hope of guilting/scaring others into helping--to create 2 "identical" (but generally "neutral"--so as not to inspire awe, nor hatred) themes (square and widescreen) for use as a new default theme |
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| [18:08:07] | seeker: | What would count as non-neutral? |
| [18:09:19] | sphery: | hehe, pretty much anything interesting :) |
| [18:11:23] | wagnerrp: | every... single... time... i try to add a class to a library |
| [18:12:01] | wagnerrp: | i sit there for some not insignificant amount of time trying to figure out why it wont compile, before remembering to include the myth___exp.h |
| [18:13:19] | sphery: | at least symvis is on by default, now, so we can figure it out before pushing |
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| [18:13:53] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:15:25] | sphery: | before with symbol visibility only enabled with --enable-symbol-visibility, we'd have lots of people push code that didn't include public macros, so it would fail for those of us using symvis |
| [18:15:42] | sphery: | (though it seems you're saying you've got the public, but missing th einclude?) |
| [18:16:41] | likwid--_: | will arclight work still with .25? |
| [18:17:09] | seeker: | likwid--_: Works with trunk ATM |
| [18:17:31] | likwid--_: | awesome. looks so pretty. |
| [18:18:05] | sphery: | you need to get the updated version of it, though |
| [18:18:10] | sphery: | use the theme chooser in setup |
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| [18:41:43] | seeker: | Any good suggestions how to get more than one copy of a fanart image on a window? |
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| [18:44:34] | wagnerrp: | more than one copy of the same image? |
| [18:45:18] | seeker: | Yeah |
| [18:49:04] | seeker: | My gut feeling is that it'd require defining a "fanart2" item in the code, but I'd like to come up with a better way |
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| [20:21:57] | wagnerrp: | xris: well nuvexport does nothing to allow bulk import on another system either... :) |
| [20:22:57] | xris: | wagnerrp: raw sql export should |
| [20:23:13] | wagnerrp: | it has such an option? |
| [20:23:17] | xris: | though the queries are likely really out of date. may not grb all of the meta data |
| [20:23:40] | xris: | yeah. it used to be able to copy the .nuv/mpg file and a .sql with all of the meta data |
| [20:23:48] | xris: | even did hard links if you were exporting to the same file system |
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| [20:44:46] | sphery: | Finswimmer: the general direction we've been trying to go is to have "MythVideo" videos for "user provided" video and recorded video is only what /this/ MythTV system recorded |
| [20:45:00] | Finswimmer: | sphery: I wasn't aware that these discussion should not be on mythtv even if they are developement related... |
| [20:45:09] | sphery: | in 0.24, MythVideo was officially integrated into core MythTV--meaning that everyone with MythTV now has MythVideo support |
| [20:45:28] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: my issue is that your intended purpose falls outside of the realm of what is protected under "fair use", at least in the US |
| [20:45:29] | sphery: | Finswimmer: yeah, asking in there was fine, just didn't want to do a ton of discussion in there |
| [20:45:42] | wagnerrp: | and while i realize that there are some existing capabilities that already offer similar use |
| [20:46:21] | wagnerrp: | id really rather not have more, that ship within official mythtv, that are going to end up abused to share content among independent users |
| [20:46:26] | sphery: | So, after 0.24 integrated MythVideo, 0.25 was able to add a lot of functionality to core MythTV that was previously only available for those users with MythVideo installed--things like metadata lookups using grabbers and season/episode suppoer |
| [20:47:08] | sphery: | and after the 0.25 release, we will be completely modifying the schema used for media (at first, only recordings and video, but eventually, also music and images and...) such that it's a shared schema |
| [20:47:50] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, id really rather the import capability be removed from mytharchive completely |
| [20:47:51] | sphery: | this will allow us to "blur" the lines between recordings and video--such that you'll be able to tell MythTV where to show any particular media item: in MythTV "Watch Recordings" view or in MythVideo views |
| [20:48:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: agreed... |
| [20:48:17] | sphery: | and then files will be just dropped into MythVideo, as always |
| [20:48:18] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: You are right. This could cause much more problemw with copyright... |
| [20:48:19] | wagnerrp: | if anything, change it to some sort of "offline content" mode, that only worked if there was existing metadata in the database for that recording |
| [20:48:26] | sphery: | MythVideo grabbers would then be able to do lookups, etc. |
| [20:48:40] | sphery: | and, yeah, what wagnerrp mentioned is the other issue... |
| [20:49:31] | wagnerrp: | importing shared recordings into mythvideo, theres not really anything that can be done with that... since its entire purpose is for handling arbitrary videos that are not recordings |
| [20:49:39] | sphery: | Finswimmer: see #5 at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F for how "perception" can become reality |
| [20:50:15] | wagnerrp: | but for recordings themselves, and especially something built into the GUI, it just seems a "bad idea" to have something designed to allow duplication between mythtv systems |
| [20:50:27] | wagnerrp: | (a "system" being everything connected to the same database) |
| [20:50:37] | sphery: | right, so, basically, all user video goes into MythVideo, and users can then deal with the questions of copyright, Terms of Service, ... themselves |
| [20:51:04] | sphery: | and, fwiw, I'd fully support removing of MythArchive importing before 0.25 |
| [20:51:10] | Finswimmer: | sphery: Thank you for your detailled explanation. I see now that this is not something to put more energy on it. |
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| [20:51:40] | sphery: | Finswimmer: there is, definitely, a lot more you can put energy into... :) |
| [20:51:58] | sphery: | Finswimmer: also, note that MythVideo /is/ a great place to put "random" videos... it's actually designed for that |
| [20:52:12] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: as mentioned, there is interest, and a good deal of existing work, into the "detached frontend" behavior |
| [20:52:25] | wagnerrp: | but trying to merge recordings into an independent system.... |
| [20:52:31] | sphery: | and with 0.24+, you get excellent support for TV and non-TV videos plus metadata grabbing and metadata display |
| [20:53:18] | sphery: | I "support" a user who has a couple of little boys with a collection of kids shows--some of which he recorded and some of which he got from buying/ripping DVDs |
| [20:53:38] | xris: | sphery: heck, I long for the day when mythvideo and the recordings section merge |
| [20:53:46] | sphery: | he asked me how he could move the dvd episodes into Watch Recordings so it was available with the recorded episodes |
| [20:54:08] | wagnerrp: | xris: i wouldnt mind seeing recordings merged into mythvideo |
| [20:54:20] | wagnerrp: | but i would still prefer "watch recordings" be kept its own independent entity |
| [20:54:39] | xris: | I had some mockups for mythweb awhile back. |
| [20:54:45] | xris: | could be done fairly easily in a combined UI |
| [20:54:50] | sphery: | and, after a very similar conversation, I convinced him to go the other way--moving the recorded episodes into MythVideo (using http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py ), and changing the settings in MythVideo (which previously configured it primarily for a short list of movies with no "organization") |
| [20:55:11] | sphery: | and, now that he's done it that way, he's extremely happy--since it works better than Watch Recordings |
| [20:55:53] | Finswimmer: | sphery: Yes. I know :) I am doing exactly the same with my recordings... |
| [20:55:55] | sphery: | allows him to have "directories" of "Kids Shows/Movies/Cars" and "Kids Shows/TV/Spongebob Squarepants" and such |
| [20:56:03] | sphery: | anyway, just something to think about |
| [20:56:22] | sphery: | and hope it gives a better idea of where we're trying to go with MythTV/MythVideo |
| [20:57:02] | sphery: | xris: yeah, I completely agree... I hope to get to work quickly on the new schema right after 0.25 release/"burn in" |
| [20:57:22] | sphery: | and the UI stuff, I'm sure, will follow once we allow choosing which media is shown where |
| [20:57:39] | sphery: | I'd love to see a nice UI that groups all of my media together... So I don't have to move from one to the other |
| [20:58:29] | sphery: | can switch views for me--since MythVideo views are well designed for MythVideo type videos and such--but hate having to use the main menu to decide "what do I want to do", then trying to find "what do I want to watch" in there |
| [20:58:51] | sphery: | IMHO, people shouldn't have to worry about whether a show was recorded or is a DVD rip put into MythVideo |
| [20:59:02] | sphery: | just show me what's available and I'll choose what to watch |
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| [20:59:22] | Finswimmer: | Onto the next idea. I have started to ask about multi-user support a while ago ~ september 11 on dev-mailing list. Basicly I have added the function to mark each recording as watched/unwatched for each user defined in database. As you mentioned that the schema should change, does it make sense to develop this further? |
| [20:59:58] | sphery: | We definitely need proper multiuser support |
| [21:00:20] | sphery: | I know stuartm had some ideas (and a basic idea for a skeleton schema to include things like user tables and such) |
| [21:00:24] | xris: | sphery: hopeful new job will put me in touch with a bunch of designer types. going to try to get some of them interested in mythtv |
| [21:00:29] | Finswimmer: | sphery: Yes. One common view on all "video" files with all metadata is the best idea. (and with a proper way to tell the system how to sort it...) |
| [21:02:07] | sphery: | Finswimmer: I think if you got the basics of a multiuser schema in place, then small patches like you're thinking would a) be able to be created with more of a "long-term" design and b) would be accepted |
| [21:02:38] | sphery: | or, perhaps we can get stuartm to just push the DB update to add the schema support he was thinking about, then it will make it easier to design those things |
| [21:02:56] | sphery: | but I do think that we have to get the foundation in place, then develop it piece by piece--as it's far too huge to do in one bite |
| [21:03:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: speaking of DVDs, the copyright office review closes opinions in about a week and a half |
| [21:03:40] | wagnerrp: | we still havent done anything with that |
| [21:03:59] | sphery: | :( |
| [21:04:16] | sphery: | we wanted something under the interoperability stuff, right? |
| [21:04:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the last clause on the page |
| [21:04:40] | sphery: | do you think they're interested--based on what you were saying about them seeing to focus primarily on the short clips for education type stuff? |
| [21:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i mentioned something about it on the list about a month ago |
| [21:04:49] | sphery: | seeming |
| [21:05:05] | sphery: | yeah, I just read that thread about 3 days ago (still catching up :) |
| [21:05:18] | wagnerrp: | Public Knowledge is going for full exemption |
| [21:05:41] | wagnerrp: | the EFF is only going for limited exemption, for educational and "clip show" purposes |
| [21:06:08] | sphery: | ah, I missed that distinction |
| [21:06:22] | sphery: | would be nice to get full exemption this round |
| [21:06:30] | sphery: | they do these reviews every 2 or 3 years, right? |
| [21:06:57] | wagnerrp: | of course an exemption is an exemption, and would open the door for legal decryption outside DVDCCA authorization |
| [21:07:08] | wagnerrp: | supposed to be every 3, but it was only 2-years this time |
| [21:07:39] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt doubt it was pushed by mobile phone companies to get a shot at removing the "jailbreaking" exemption |
| [21:07:41] | sphery: | I was thinking this was sooner than it felt it should be |
| [21:07:51] | sphery: | just figured it's the "time flies as you get older" |
| [21:09:43] | wagnerrp: | actually, there should have been one this year, the previous one was delayed |
| [21:09:56] | wagnerrp: | 2000, 2003, 2006, 2010, and 2012 |
| [21:10:32] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [21:10:52] | sphery: | you said Pub Know never responded to your request, right? |
| [21:10:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [21:11:25] | sphery: | hmmm... makes it hard to figure out what the best course of action would be |
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| [21:12:17] | wagnerrp: | pity, we used to have the right to break DRM on works whose protection mechanisms had broken (license servers taken offline) |
| [21:12:41] | wagnerrp: | but that was removed in 2003, replaced with only those whose protection mechanisms were hardware dongles |
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| [21:13:06] | Finswimmer: | Hm. I wonder if I should bring the discussion about multi-user on mailing list up again or wait until 0.25 is released and stuartm is changing the DB? |
| [21:13:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery is chaning the DB for how content metadata is stored |
| [21:13:50] | squaregoldfish: | I've created my own channels.conf, and want to import it into MythTV. I've been told there should be an option in the Channel Scan section, but it's not there. Any suggestions? |
| [21:13:50] | wagnerrp: | stuartm was the one previously looking into user-mode |
| [21:14:57] | sphery: | Finswimmer: let me talk with stuartm and see if he's interested in pushing the schema update for his skeleton multi-user support before 0.25 release--would make it easier for users to develop code to support multi-user |
| [21:15:00] | wagnerrp: | the recommended method for DVB users is to perform an "existing transport" scan |
| [21:16:45] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: I can select the Import existing transport option, but I can't enter anything in the "Scan to Import" box – it's a drop-down with no entries and I can't type anything in it. |
| [21:17:29] | Finswimmer: | Beside the actual implentation, I think there is a lot of discussion needed how the user(s) actually work with multi-user. E.g: can there be 2 logged in on the same frontend (if parents watching a show together)... Do you now if there are some sketches |
| [21:17:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see that Fox resurrected Breaking In? |
| [21:18:34] | wagnerrp: | never watched breaking in |
| [21:18:48] | sphery: | Finswimmer: not much more than a basic plan (and probably mainly in stua rtm's mind)... things like that could likely be decided after getting that basic framework in place |
| [21:19:00] | wagnerrp: | squaregoldfish: there are problems with the channels.conf import |
| [21:19:11] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt include all the tuning information mythtv needs for certain operations |
| [21:19:16] | wagnerrp: | so it is advised against |
| [21:19:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, I liked it. glad it's coming back (but don't expect it to live long) |
| [21:19:47] | sphery: | squaregoldfish: try using the "Scan an existing transport" approach |
| [21:20:17] | wagnerrp: | Finswimmer: the user interface implementation is going to be the real sticking point for any multi-user configuration in mythtv |
| [21:20:34] | sphery: | true--too many users have too many ideas of what it should do :) |
| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | something like how the Xbox is set up is almost a requirement |
| [21:20:43] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: So do I need to add a frequency in the Edit Transports section? |
| [21:20:58] | wagnerrp: | squaregoldfish: ive never actually used it, i just know thats the recommended mode |
| [21:21:11] | sphery: | and we don't want annoyances like having to delete a show in my account, then log out and delete it in the next account, then log out and ... |
| [21:21:17] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: OK. I'll give it a try. |
| [21:21:18] | wagnerrp: | with the xbox, you connect a controller, it pops up and asks what user account to attach it to |
| [21:21:50] | wagnerrp: | but even in that event, youre still relying on users to "sign on and off" as they start watching |
| [21:21:51] | Finswimmer: | sphery: this could be solved by letting two user logged in on the same time. |
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| [21:22:24] | sphery: | yeah, just saying it's going to be a learning experience |
| [21:22:30] | sphery: | and a lot will eventually be affected |
| [21:22:32] | Finswimmer: | wagnerrp: yes. but in some place one have to choose which user is currently in front of the tv... |
| [21:22:57] | sphery: | (like autoexpire watched will have to be adjusted to define the new meaning of watched and such) |
| [21:23:41] | sphery: | we need the bluetooth fobs to autodetect users (and follow them to other frontends) like Pluto did years ago |
| [21:23:59] | sphery: | I think at the time the main sticking point for them was hardware cost, though :) |
| [21:24:08] | Finswimmer: | On the mailing list there was a suggestion to make all recording rules also rules per user. so this would have to be changed also... |
| [21:24:22] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [21:25:39] | Finswimmer: | But I am willing to help with this. So the best is to follow the dev-mailling list to offer help when it is time? |
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| [21:31:49] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: Where do I tell it to scan the transport I entered? I'm lost :( |
| [21:32:13] | Finswimmer: | Thank you. And good bye. |
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| [21:35:05] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: ...the only options I have in Channel Scan are Full Scan and Import Existing Scan. |
| [21:35:36] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre trying to scan with an analog tuner |
| [21:36:31] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: Definitely DVB-T. I used to have this working before a forced reinstall. |
| [21:36:38] | sphery: | or perhaps you do need to add a frequency in the Edit Transports section, as you suspected? |
| [21:36:48] | sphery: | try that and see if there's a scan transport option |
| [21:37:07] | sphery: | (or wait around and see if some DVB user who's done this before shows up) |
| [21:37:19] | squaregoldfish: | sphery: I have added a frequency. Still no option. |
| [21:37:24] | wagnerrp: | squaregoldfish: when you configured the device, what type of tuner did you add it as? |
| [21:37:42] | wagnerrp: | did you tie it into /dev/video0 or /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [21:38:36] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp: Ah, /dev/video. I left it as the default. |
| [21:39:00] | sphery: | you need to select a DVB capture card type and use the /dev/dvb/adapter0 device |
| [21:39:10] | sphery: | (something about DVB v3 for card type) |
| [21:39:27] | wagnerrp: | right now you used the 'v4l' card type, and its autodetecting the analog portion of your tuner card |
| [21:40:03] | squaregoldfish: | sphery wagnerrp: Yep, I've found the option. I just assumed that it would detect DVB and use it. Of course, if it can do both analog & digital, how would it know? My bad. |
| [21:40:33] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt detect cards |
| [21:40:43] | wagnerrp: | it just enumerates what is available when you select a card type |
| [21:41:50] | squaregoldfish: | wagnerrp Fair enough. I've got it scanning again, so we'll see what it finds... |
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| [21:46:35] | squaregoldfish: | Ha! I have channels. I am a dumbass. :-[ Thanks for your help. |
| [21:46:59] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [21:52:59] | skd5aner: | wtf – mythweb is giving me a 500 error when searching "Late Night" – but if I search a bunch of other stuff, it comes back just fine? |
| [22:10:31] | clever: | skd5aner: check apache error logs |
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| [23:04:33] | Beirdo: | just pushed out a new config to 250 hosts by hand... and have to do it agian |
| [23:04:43] | Beirdo: | <<CENSORED>> |
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| [23:22:23] | sphery: | Beirdo: job security? |
| [23:22:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:22:36] | Beirdo: | not really, but sure :) |
| [23:22:46] | Beirdo: | nobody else is willing to touch this crap |
| [23:22:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:22:49] | sphery: | skd5aner: best guess is that you don't have sufficient memory allowed for PHP |
| [23:23:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: not that |
| [23:23:26] | skd5aner: | don't know what the issue is, but I know it's not that |
| [23:23:31] | sphery: | well, something is crashing the php |
| [23:23:45] | skd5aner: | yea, but I've upped those defaults long ago |
| [23:24:05] | sphery: | fwiw, searching for Late Night works fine for me in MythWeb |
| [23:24:07] | skd5aner: | I didn't care to investigate too much – just thought it was weird :) |
| [23:24:21] | skd5aner: | Yea, "Late Show" worked fine, as well as everything else I've ever searched |
| [23:24:23] | sphery: | (but does return a lot of results...) |
| [23:24:45] | sphery: | I really think with sufficiently redundant cable channels it would cause out of memory |
| [23:24:52] | sphery: | does apache log say anything useful |
| [23:24:56] | skd5aner: | why that query and nothing else |
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| [23:25:07] | ** skd5aner begrudgingly goes to look ** | |
| [23:25:07] | sphery: | search for the and see what you get |
| [23:25:24] | sphery: | (that gives me a 500) |
| [23:25:36] | sphery: | but I have OTA and never up'ed the memory |
| [23:26:59] | skd5aner: | you can say "I told you so" : [Thu Feb 02 16:51:16 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /usr/src/mythtv/release-0-24-fixes2/mythweb/m |
| [23:26:59] | skd5aner: | odules/tv/search.php on line 401, |
| [23:27:09] | sphery: | hehe |
| [23:27:17] | sphery: | [Thu Feb 02 18:25:17 2012] [error] [client 192.168.0.18] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 85 bytes) in /srv/www/htdocs/mythtv/classes/MythBase.php on line 34 |
| [23:27:25] | sphery: | is for me with a search for "the" |
| [23:27:36] | skd5aner: | search for "the" is still running |
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| [23:27:46] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, took a while for me |
| [23:27:46] | skd5aner: | the "Late Night" one timed out relatively fast |
| [23:27:54] | sphery: | weird |
| [23:29:23] | skd5aner: | memory_limit = 128M' |
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| [23:37:14] | stuartm: | odd though that it would be using any memory to run a query, unless it's the number of results causing the problem and not the search itself, the latter can easily be dealt with by imposing a LIMIT on the query and paging the results if necessary |
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| [23:42:28] | spideyk21: | anyone else having high user cpu on the backend when idle? |
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| [23:47:22] | stuartm: | that all depends on what you class as high |
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| [23:55:19] | sphery: | stuartm: it's the results... you get a ton of programinfo for some queries--and each is created as a full programinfo in memory |
| [23:56:10] | sphery: | but, IMHO, we're better off dealing with it by replacing the mythweb functionality with similar functionality in the services api and backend http server, and then making it work there :) |
| [23:57:33] | stuartm: | right, I would patch mythweb if I didn't think that I'd suddenly be expected to keep maintaining it, it's dead Jim |
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| [23:59:53] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [23:59:59] | sphery: | no "Bones" about it :) |
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