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| [00:00:59] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: no real easy mechanism to do so |
| [00:03:51] | Seeker`: | trumee: not sure, not looked at boosting the signal |
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| [00:16:54] | awalls: | additional gain needs to be as early as possible in the receive chain. Adding gain at the tuner card is normally too late. |
| [00:19:32] | awalls: | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friis_formulas_for_noise |
| [00:20:31] | wagnerrp: | trumee: who is in control of this shared dish? |
| [00:20:46] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it needs to be re-aimed, or the LNB is damaged? |
| [00:20:55] | iamlindoro: | I have a formula for noise, too. Small children and cocaine |
| [00:21:17] | awalls: | small children: check |
| [00:21:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp, no idea. I was wondering if i get a better card then it maybe sorted |
| [00:22:01] | awalls: | cocaine...well none here |
| [00:22:40] | trumee: | wagnerrp, what signal level is required for a clear picture? |
| [00:23:26] | ** trumee has no idea about measuring signal levels. ** | |
| [00:23:41] | awalls: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Improve_signal_quality |
| [00:26:41] | trumee: | awalls, cheers |
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| [01:22:29] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: is this yours? |
| [01:22:32] | Beirdo: | /opt/mythtv/fix-ipv6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV/dataheap.py:45: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Artwork, self).__init__(s) |
| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks like it |
| [01:23:55] | Beirdo: | that's from current master, BTW |
| [01:24:06] | wagnerrp: | i know, i made that change a couple days ago |
| [01:24:16] | wagnerrp: | odd that im not getting such a warning on 2.7 |
| [01:24:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:51:51] | slacker-: | hey, I'm having audio problems with playing back recordings. Every now and then when I skip audio turns into very loud noise. skip another coupld of times and normal audio is back |
| [01:52:03] | slacker-: | not sure what to search for to track this down |
| [01:52:49] | slacker-: | it happens for both analog and digital output |
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| [01:54:20] | slacker-: | this seems similar: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8769. I'll read on |
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| [02:00:33] | Seeker`: | I'm not getting any icons appearing in the OSD, and looking at the frontend log it is trying to load it from a home directory on the backend, not a frontend |
| [02:01:14] | slacker-: | ok, default-sample-rate = 48000 in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf did it |
| [02:02:13] | Seeker`: | the channels are in the correct place on the frontend, if you substitute the frontend user for the backend user in the path it looks up; any idea where I find the path setting? |
| [02:02:36] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [02:02:39] | wagnerrp: | youre using pulseaudio |
| [02:03:47] | slacker-: | I shouldn't use pulseaudio? |
| [02:04:07] | wagnerrp: | rather... what do you think pulseaudio gets you? |
| [02:04:37] | slacker-: | I think I installed it to get the HDMI audio working |
| [02:05:04] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, if you want to do passthrough audio, you _cant_ use pulse audio |
| [02:05:22] | slacker-: | ic, that would explain the alsa_sink then |
| [02:05:37] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio does not actually access hardware |
| [02:05:52] | slacker-: | I don't claim to understand the ubuntu audio system. It's been a myserty to me ever since |
| [02:05:55] | wagnerrp: | it sits on top of ALSA, as an abstraction layer |
| [02:06:09] | slacker-: | to handle multiple audio inputs? |
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| [02:06:14] | wagnerrp: | by default, mythtv will disable pulseaudio, so it can access alsa directly |
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| [02:06:35] | wagnerrp: | no not really, alsa can handle simultaneous input from multiple applications just fine |
| [02:06:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: not in .24 it doesn't |
| [02:07:12] | iamlindoro: | .24 and later, Myth will use pulse natively, including all the associated bugs, as in this case |
| [02:07:13] | wagnerrp: | the audio output scanner will choose pulse over alsa? |
| [02:07:18] | slacker-: | so you're recommending a purge |
| [02:07:24] | iamlindoro: | The audio output scanner doesn't choose anything |
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| [02:07:30] | iamlindoro: | it just creates a list |
| [02:07:35] | iamlindoro: | The user chooses |
| [02:07:38] | wagnerrp: | no, just go into the audio setup, and select one of the alsa outputs from the dropdown |
| [02:07:50] | wagnerrp: | and make sure its not 'alsa:pulse' |
| [02:09:48] | slacker-: | ok, picked alsa:default |
| [02:10:13] | slacker-: | no I have no sound |
| [02:10:37] | slacker-: | everything's on in alsamixer |
| [02:11:40] | slacker-: | aha |
| [02:11:51] | slacker-: | pick the plughw0,0 works |
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| [02:20:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, talked to ia mlin doro briefly and he seemed to like the "track which backends are connected so we can scan without videos/images SG overrides" idea |
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| [02:25:22] | Seeker`: | so any idea why I'm seeing CoreContext mythuihelper.cpp:1323 (LoadScaleImage) – MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(/home/mserv/.mythtv/channels/bbc_one.jpg)Unable to find image file |
| [02:25:36] | Seeker`: | when the frontend is running on a machine without the 'mserv' user |
| [02:26:49] | Seeker`: | (but there is an mserv user on the backend) |
| [02:26:53] | iamlindoro: | Because the icons are in the database with their full path, as always, and you downloaded them to that directory wherever you pulled in the icons |
| [02:27:02] | iamlindoro: | icons need to be mounted to the same path on all systems |
| [02:28:34] | Seeker`: | they appear in the schedule though |
| [02:28:46] | iamlindoro: | Because parts of MythTv can stream them, and parts can't |
| [02:29:18] | iamlindoro: | Nobody really cares much since we're halfway through the work of putting them in storage groups anyway, something we'll finish with web setup |
| [02:40:45] | autojack: | hmm. I was hoping to use a small touch screen I have with a mythfrontend to play MP3s off my master backend. but it looks like the mouse/touch interface won't work with mythmusic. anyone have any suggestions about this? |
| [02:45:54] | sphery: | might work better in 0.25, when released |
| [02:46:07] | autojack: | rats. |
| [02:46:08] | sphery: | (there's a new mythmusic ui) |
| [02:46:30] | sphery: | it's coming soon, so... |
| [02:46:37] | autojack: | OK |
| [02:46:49] | autojack: | I'll just have to wait for two different distros to package it :/ |
| [02:47:18] | autojack: | meantime maybe I can just launch VLC from the frontend? |
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| [03:00:17] | al_nz1: | how do I check my mythtv database, mythconverg, has permissions for user mythtv? |
| [03:00:41] | al_nz1: | ...cause mythtv sounds awsome, but right about now I am ready to give up :( |
| [03:00:58] | autojack: | show grants |
| [03:01:03] | al_nz1: | http://pastebin.com/VLq89puU |
| [03:01:37] | autojack: | or just connect as root and do 'grant all on mythconverg to 'mythtv'@'localhost'; |
| [03:01:50] | autojack: | eh leave off the leading ' |
| [03:02:17] | al_nz1: | I am connected as root |
| [03:02:24] | al_nz1: | I did your command – executed ok |
| [03:02:29] | autojack: | show grants for 'mythtv'@'localhost'; |
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| [03:02:46] | al_nz1: | but show grants; only seems to apply to root@localhost? how do I run show grants for mythconverg? |
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| [03:02:52] | al_nz1: | ah ok |
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| [03:04:11] | al_nz1: | this look ok? http://pastebin.com/W6eTvNFX |
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| [03:06:48] | autojack: | uhhh |
| [03:06:57] | autojack: | those kind of conflict I think. |
| [03:07:11] | al_nz1: | ok which ones should I remove and how? |
| [03:07:21] | autojack: | because the first one identifies a password and the other two don't. |
| [03:08:19] | al_nz1: | do you have a google account autojack? |
| [03:08:23] | autojack: | actually looking at mine, it's more or less OK except for the third one. |
| [03:08:35] | autojack: | are you actually having problems with DB connectivity? |
| [03:08:43] | autojack: | what you have might be fine. |
| [03:08:46] | al_nz1: | autojack: not even sure how to check? |
| [03:09:21] | autojack: | why are you asking about this then :) |
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| [03:09:35] | autojack: | is there some problem? |
| [03:09:46] | al_nz1: | I vaguely recall running something earlier in the day, a gui, that complained about not being able to connect |
| [03:10:24] | autojack: | if you're that lost, there are probably better people in here who can help you :) |
| [03:10:40] | autojack: | can you run mythfrontend? |
| [03:11:34] | al_nz1: | for example, when I run mymyth-config I get a full screen gui but my mouse pointer disappears |
| [03:11:42] | autojack: | that's normal |
| [03:11:45] | al_nz1: | yes I can run mymythfrontend |
| [03:11:51] | autojack: | you use the keyboard to interact with mythtv |
| [03:12:21] | autojack: | I don't know what mymyth* is, sounds like a special distro. |
| [03:14:34] | al_nz1: | yes mythfrontend runns |
| [03:14:41] | autojack: | ok |
| [03:14:47] | autojack: | then it doesn't sound like you have any problems. |
| [03:14:48] | al_nz1: | complains initally about updating schema and not being able to backup database |
| [03:15:19] | autojack: | does the console log tell you anything useful? |
| [03:15:26] | autojack: | like CAN'T CONNECT TO DATABASE PERMISSION DENIED |
| [03:17:03] | al_nz1: | mythtv-setup complains about not being able to create /var/lib/mythtv/.test or similar |
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| [03:17:16] | al_nz1: | where do I see console log |
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| [03:17:45] | autojack: | it doesn't sound like you know too much about linux. just saying, that's going to make things harder. |
| [03:17:59] | autojack: | mythtv is kind of a pain in the ass to configure even when you know what you're doing :) |
| [03:18:56] | autojack: | not being able to create /var/lib/mythtv/whatever is a permissions problem (what user owns that directory? are you running mythtv-setup as that user?) or the directory doesn't exist (use ls -l to check). |
| [03:18:59] | al_nz1: | http://pastebin.com/x9FKjeS6 |
| [03:19:26] | al_nz1: | it definitly is having trouble connecting to the db I think |
| [03:19:34] | autojack: | that's not the db |
| [03:19:37] | autojack: | that's the backend. |
| [03:19:47] | autojack: | 012-01–29 16:17:42.573 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [03:19:55] | al_nz1: | the backend is a db isnt it? |
| [03:19:59] | autojack: | no. |
| [03:20:06] | autojack: | mysql is a db. |
| [03:20:12] | al_nz1: | backend I presume has a db of channels and recorded shows etc? |
| [03:20:14] | autojack: | the backend is a server process for mythtv. |
| [03:20:19] | autojack: | the backend talks to mysql. |
| [03:20:30] | al_nz1: | ok, so ps -aus|grep backend ? |
| [03:20:32] | autojack: | the frontend is the UI you interact with to make mythtv do stuff. that talks to the backend. |
| [03:20:38] | autojack: | no, mythbackend. |
| [03:20:40] | autojack: | but |
| [03:20:47] | autojack: | have you run mythtv-setup successfully yet? |
| [03:20:54] | autojack: | if not then you need to start there. |
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| [03:33:45] | al_nz1: | yeah doing that now. Everything is set to 127.0.01 |
| [03:34:48] | sphery: | haven't read backlog, but you'd be better off setting everything up to use a proper routable address |
| [03:35:34] | autojack: | he seems to have directory permissions issues. |
| [03:35:43] | autojack: | I gotta go make dinner. bbl. |
| [03:35:53] | al_nz1: | auotjack before you go dude |
| [03:36:01] | al_nz1: | do you have gmail? |
| [03:36:14] | al_nz1: | you must be in a similar timezone to me cause i am making dinner too lol |
| [03:37:57] | al_nz1: | what should the permissions be on /var/lib/mythtv and all sub dirs? |
| [03:39:50] | wagnerrp: | al_nz1: that depends... what are those directories? |
| [03:40:16] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: to be honest, ive not seen that 'one buffer full one buffer empty' error in maybe 2–3 years |
| [03:41:13] | al_nz1: | hey wagnerrp: not sure, but after running mythtv-setup as I exit the setup to save it says "unable to create file /var/lib/mythtv/recordsing/.test' – I would think clearly it wants access and hasnt got it?? |
| [03:41:45] | al_nz1: | there is about two other directories under the same /var/lib/mythtv and it complains of the same error |
| [03:41:50] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you defined /var/lib/mythtv/recordings as somewhere you want to record to |
| [03:42:01] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: nope – its the default |
| [03:42:04] | wagnerrp: | in which case you need read and write access to that directory |
| [03:42:15] | wagnerrp: | al_nz1: nope – mythtv has no such defaults |
| [03:42:29] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using mythbuntu, that does set that directory as a default |
| [03:42:59] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that is a sanity check performed by mythtv-setup, to ensure the paths you defined are actually usable for recording |
| [03:43:10] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, me neither, but several eople have it still |
| [03:43:22] | wagnerrp: | however it only has any meaning if the user you are running mythtv-setup as is the same one you will be running mythbackend as |
| [03:44:39] | Twiggy2cents: | I have a recording that is set to record for 1hr and 1 min that is causing a conflict. How can I override it and subtract the minute off of it so there is no conflict? |
| [03:44:50] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: just change perms to 77? |
| [03:44:52] | al_nz1: | 777 |
| [03:45:16] | wagnerrp: | change it to whatever you need to make it in order for whatever user is going to run mythbackend to be able to write to it |
| [03:45:54] | al_nz1: | umm, 'chmod 777 -r' (not sure about the -r?) |
| [03:46:10] | wagnerrp: | why would you 777 it? |
| [03:46:31] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: isnt 777 everyone? |
| [03:46:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, but why does everyone need read and write access to your recordings? |
| [03:47:08] | al_nz1: | well mythtv needs access, and I have no odea who mythtv runs as? |
| [03:47:34] | wagnerrp: | read through the init scripts to see what they do |
| [03:47:37] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, would adding -1 end late on the rule be okay? |
| [03:47:53] | wagnerrp: | or just run it, and check what user owns the subsequent process |
| [03:48:49] | wagnerrp: | if it says its going to run a minute late, its best to trust that unless you absolutely know better |
| [03:49:08] | wagnerrp: | you cant pick up the conflicting recording later? |
| [03:49:24] | wagnerrp: | this isnt a digital tuner that you can add additional virtual tuners? |
| [03:49:35] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh I saw your input on the UAV on gizmodo, I was like hmm I know that guy.... Sorta at least |
| [03:49:54] | Twiggy2cents: | It isnt on the multiplex |
| [03:50:03] | Twiggy2cents: | on the same* |
| [03:50:56] | wagnerrp: | the... "the pilot doesnt do much besides push buttons on the autopilot, but you need tons of people to analyze the data feeds" comment? |
| [03:51:22] | Twiggy2cents: | I just updated it to make family guy start 1 minute late and let the real show end at the right time |
| [03:51:40] | Twiggy2cents: | It was talk about lift and ailerons and stuff if I remember |
| [03:52:13] | wagnerrp: | something to do with stability on tailless aircraft? |
| [03:53:37] | Twiggy2cents: | yeah |
| [03:53:57] | ** wagnerrp is just a friendly neighborhood rocket scientist ** | |
| [04:02:04] | sphery: | So, it's good that Robert Palmer's backup singers were able to find jobs as executive assistants at Massive Dynamic after his death. |
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| [04:03:27] | wagnerrp: | robert palmer... the fat guy with man boobs that ed norton liked to cry on? |
| [04:03:52] | sphery: | Robert Palmer of Addicted to Love fame. |
| [04:05:03] | wagnerrp: | his name was robert palmer... |
| [04:05:49] | sphery: | just saying that all the executive assistants at Massive Dynamic look like http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/5/0 . . . 60289405.jpg (except without the guitars) |
| [04:06:23] | sphery: | or the upscaled NTSC version: http://itsnotpossible.typepad.com/trashfan/palmer2.jpg |
| [04:06:54] | sphery: | http://www.songpeople.co.uk/images/stories/Addicted_to_love.jpg is a bit better |
| [04:08:14] | wagnerrp: | the one in the back left on the first image, ive seen her before |
| [04:08:51] | wagnerrp: | just look at those jowls.... http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/Movi . . . 1024x768.jpg |
| [04:09:54] | sphery: | hehe, I actually went to the page that pic was on, this time, and it turns out that was a halloween costume |
| [04:10:06] | sphery: | so the other 2 pics are actual Addicted to Love girls |
| [04:11:16] | wagnerrp: | pretty bad ones |
| [04:11:40] | wagnerrp: | too low res to tell if any of them have space alien jowls |
| [04:11:51] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [04:13:38] | al_nz1: | ok, now when I run mythfilldatabase I get: |
| [04:13:40] | al_nz1: | http://pastebin.com/EExeG9rH |
| [04:14:26] | wagnerrp: | is mythbackend running? |
| [04:15:03] | wagnerrp: | actually, since youre set up to use EIT data, you shouldnt be running mythfilldatabase automatically or manually |
| [04:16:38] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: ok it want running, but before you make me feel stupid, why does mythtv-setup stop mythbackend then at the end of mythtvsetup try to run mythfilldatabase if it knows it stopped mythbackend first – its knows its going to fail |
| [04:17:08] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [04:17:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup does _not_ automatically stop mythbackend, it only warns you if it is running, because certain things may not work if the backend is running and has them locked |
| [04:18:08] | wagnerrp: | it also does not run mythfilldatabase, merely suggest it would be a good idea _if_ you have modified your channel lineups |
| [04:18:35] | wagnerrp: | but then mythfilldatabase only does anything if youre pulling XMLTV or SchedulesDirect data, not for EIT |
| [04:19:09] | wagnerrp: | also, the error you saw was mythfilldatabase attempting to connect to the backend to issue a scheduler run |
| [04:19:37] | wagnerrp: | if you were using xmltv, and had updates your guide data, you would want to rerun the scheduler to process that new information |
| [04:20:05] | wagnerrp: | however since the backend was not running, and the scheduler is always run automatically every time you start mythbackend, its really not a problem, just a warning |
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| [05:59:43] | wagnerrp: | now now beirdo, dont anger the udo |
| [06:06:13] | Beirdo: | heheheheh |
| [06:06:17] | Beirdo: | but but... |
| [06:06:30] | skd5aner: | yay – you finally assigned my ticket |
| [06:06:55] | ** skd5aner can now go sleep in peace ** | |
| [06:10:46] | wagnerrp: | we really need to get someone interested in working on DVB |
| [06:13:26] | sphery: | how can live tv fail with a crash on mythpreviewgen? |
| [06:13:38] | wagnerrp: | drugs |
| [06:13:42] | wagnerrp: | lots and lots of drugs |
| [06:13:59] | sphery: | I love how convoluted the "munge all the log output from all the programs into one file" logging makes our bug descriptions |
| [06:14:17] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
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| [06:22:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: IPv6 stuff appears to be fixed here, FYI |
| [06:24:54] | Beirdo: | good to know. I expect it is elsewhere too |
| [06:25:10] | wagnerrp: | and this #9840... not experiencing that myself |
| [06:25:28] | Beirdo: | I'm currently running IPv6 on split-stack machines |
| [06:25:34] | Beirdo: | for everything but mysql |
| [06:26:21] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [06:26:37] | Beirdo: | the number of "anonymous" owned tickets right now is rather daunting |
| [06:27:30] | wagnerrp: | ive got no problem connecting to ::1 or my real ipv6 address |
| [06:28:23] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats the same issue ive got where it doesnt listen on ipv4 on some configurations of split-stack machine |
| [06:28:50] | Beirdo: | that one has a ticket too, and I closed it |
| [06:29:05] | Beirdo: | there is a setting to set ipv6only (just like in FreeBSD) |
| [06:29:18] | wagnerrp: | we use a MythSocket to access the database? |
| [06:29:33] | wagnerrp: | that cant be right can it? |
| [06:29:37] | Beirdo: | and if you have that set (some distros do), it won't work right if you have things setup wrong, by the looks of it |
| [06:29:40] | Beirdo: | no, we don't |
| [06:30:12] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . kend.log#L14 |
| [06:30:15] | Beirdo: | that's the only part that's not using MythSocket to my knowledge |
| [06:30:17] | wagnerrp: | something funky going on there |
| [06:30:29] | wagnerrp: | unless thats our database ping |
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| [06:31:18] | Beirdo: | I think that's a database ping |
| [06:31:22] | Beirdo: | I forgot about that part |
| [06:33:41] | wagnerrp: | ah... net.inet6.ip6.v6only |
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| [06:34:32] | sphery: | I think I figured out Beirdo's approach... if someone made any comment on one of janne's tickets, it gets assigned to that person |
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| [06:38:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: its still "bad" that if any IPv6 address exists on the system, we can only be accessed through IPv6 addresses |
| [06:38:36] | wagnerrp: | even if we define ourselves as existing on an IPv4 address in the database |
| [06:39:30] | wagnerrp: | but i would prefer that be fixed by us only listening on one address |
| [06:39:45] | wagnerrp: | not some funky thing that scans the system for a "proper" configuration |
| [06:43:10] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that's not at all true |
| [06:43:26] | Beirdo: | that has to do with the ipv6only setting |
| [06:43:48] | Beirdo: | under Linux, the default is that IPv6 sockets also listen to IPv4 |
| [06:43:58] | Beirdo: | I've been running like that for months |
| [06:44:05] | wagnerrp: | it has to do with us doing a blanket listen, rather than us listening on a single address |
| [06:44:31] | Beirdo: | true, but it's ONLY a problem on FreeBSD and Linux that's setup "wrong" :) |
| [06:44:32] | wagnerrp: | so with that set, it only listens on the v6 addresses |
| [06:44:36] | Beirdo: | we should fix that |
| [06:44:55] | wagnerrp: | thats what im saying, we should only be listening on the address the user defines |
| [06:45:03] | wagnerrp: | since thats the only address anything should be talking to it with |
| [06:45:04] | Beirdo: | only a few Linux distros are setting that sysctl flag |
| [06:45:07] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:45:11] | Beirdo: | totally agreed |
| [06:45:18] | wagnerrp: | which would silently fix this whole "problem" |
| [06:45:20] | Beirdo: | that's a simple security issue there |
| [06:45:46] | wagnerrp: | of course it would also create new "problems", completely breaking UPNP |
| [06:45:51] | Beirdo: | meanwhile, there are workarounds in Linux, and we'll certainly look at doing it right |
| [06:46:09] | wagnerrp: | we would have to have an "alternate upnp address" if an IPv6 is defined for the primary |
| [06:46:23] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [06:46:37] | Beirdo: | one of the reasons using only UPnP is flawed |
| [06:47:03] | Beirdo: | there's always 10 more things to break for every one you fix, of course |
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| [07:00:29] | wagnerrp: | gah! |
| [07:00:43] | wagnerrp: | i snapped the handle of a little wooden clawhammer earlier today |
| [07:00:48] | wagnerrp: | and just found a chunk of it in my hair |
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| [07:50:53] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why the commit hook isnt working properly |
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| [08:19:08] | Beirdo: | it's partially working at least |
| [08:19:12] | Beirdo: | just not perfectly |
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| [08:22:05] | wagnerrp: | its missing the /fixes stuff |
| [08:22:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, it does |
| [08:22:52] | Beirdo: | it used to work at one point |
| [08:23:07] | wagnerrp: | it used to, it suddenly stopped working |
| [08:23:10] | wagnerrp: | havent figured out why |
| [08:23:45] | Beirdo: | it got tired and quit to go work for someone else |
| [08:24:11] | Beirdo: | so that weather map thingy... |
| [08:24:25] | Beirdo: | it requires QT Mobility |
| [08:24:47] | Beirdo: | a new prereq, and not one I can install on my box without work |
| [08:25:27] | Beirdo: | however, the NASA map/photos seem to be OK to use based on NASA's TOS |
| [08:25:54] | Beirdo: | have to credit to NASA, basically |
| [08:27:24] | Beirdo: | as long as they are NASA photos. non-NASA ones will have the info to contact copyright holders |
| [08:27:32] | Beirdo: | but the two he wanted to use are NASA |
| [08:28:21] | Beirdo: | anyways, I put the link to the TOS in the ticket |
| [08:29:43] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed |
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| [09:10:21] | wizbit: | last night i won this new future HD frontend on ebay for £50!!!! |
| [09:10:22] | wizbit: | http://www.it-event.com/images/ultraslim2.jpg |
| [09:10:33] | wizbit: | £50 wouldnt even buy you a case these days :D |
| [09:10:53] | wizbit: | will be sticking nvidia geforce 210 inside it |
| [09:11:03] | wizbit: | its a core2duo 1.86GHz |
| [09:12:16] | wizbit: | diskless pxe boot :D |
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| [09:24:02] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right... considering thats a 5yr old CPU |
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| [09:50:40] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: thats better than a atom? |
| [10:14:53] | Roklobsta: | you don't need much cpu if you have vdpau |
| [10:16:32] | Roklobsta: | mu motheroutlaw's mythbox is a single core "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+" with an 8400GS PCI card. works nice for her. |
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| [12:16:13] | IMSanchMac: | Is anyone else that's using VDPAU able to post what nvidia-smi reports their cards memory usage at while decoding? |
| [12:17:13] | IMSanchMac: | I ask as I'm only using a 256mb onboard 320M and with a bit of tweaking have nearly flawless playback, yet nvidia-smi reports only about 85mb ram usage |
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| [12:21:15] | Seeker`: | IMSanchMac: why do you want it to use more RAM? |
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| [12:26:15] | stuartm: | IMSanchMac: the amount of ram used depends on a variety of factors, codec, encoding options used, deinterlacer (the better the deinterlacer the more memory), framerate and of course video resolution |
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| [12:29:30] | IMSanchMac: | I don't really want it to use more, was just curious as I see a lot of places where it is mentioned that 256mb may not be enough, so found it odd that mine seems to not use very much |
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| [12:31:30] | Seeker`: | what are you decoding with it? |
| [12:31:57] | IMSanchMac: | using VDPAU as decoder and renderer |
| [12:32:07] | IMSanchMac: | temporal 2x for deint |
| [12:32:48] | IMSanchMac: | it's also quite possible nvidia-smi is not giving an accurate figure :) |
| [12:33:40] | IMSanchMac: | that is decoding Australian 1080i DVB-T, which I think is 1440x1080 mpeg2 |
| [12:35:39] | Seeker`: | don't think mpeg2 is particularly tacing |
| [12:35:41] | Seeker`: | *taxing |
| [12:35:51] | Seeker`: | you might run in to more problems with h264 |
| [12:36:02] | IMSanchMac: | yeah quite possibly |
| [12:39:02] | IMSanchMac: | I'm pretty sure all FTA broadcasts in Oz are still mpeg2, I'm getting really nice playback after a bit of fiddling with filters and buffer size |
| [12:40:29] | IMSanchMac: | still the occasional artefacts, but they are rare and seem to clear up by themselves after a little bit |
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| [14:41:15] | wizbit: | holy lords!!! I _think_ this works on Linux, but the driver is binary only |
| [14:41:17] | wizbit: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVB-T2-Tuner-Definiti . . . 4&sr=8-1 |
| [14:41:26] | wizbit: | Dual DVB-T2 tuner !!! |
| [14:42:13] | wizbit: | 'I purchased TBS6280 to work in my upgraded MythTV media centre running on Mageia 1 Linux.' |
| [14:42:16] | wizbit: | :D |
| [14:42:43] | wizbit: | 'I get better signal quality than with the Hauppauge-Nova-T-500 is was using previously.' |
| [14:42:58] | dekarl-too: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6280 <- "it is only possible to tune in to either DVB-T or DVB-T2. " :D |
| [14:43:23] | dekarl-too: | good luck explaining that to the scheduler |
| [14:43:46] | wizbit: | dekarl-too: i will keep my nova-t 500 for SD channels |
| [14:43:53] | wizbit: | and use that for the 4x HD channels |
| [14:44:39] | dekarl-too: | Freeview HD? I thought its only one channel (one transmission channel / transport) but better to have a spare unused tuner then the other way around |
| [14:45:06] | wizbit: | oh ok |
| [14:45:20] | dekarl-too: | just remember to configure 2 distinct video sources, one "SD" for the hauppauge and one "HD" for the TBS |
| [14:45:23] | wizbit: | 2 tuners for 2 channels |
| [14:45:30] | wizbit: | ok! |
| [14:46:08] | wizbit: | dekarl-too: so i wont be able to record BBC1HD and BBC2HD at the same time on a single tuner? like i do with SD ? |
| [14:47:51] | wizbit: | this works on linux also |
| [14:47:52] | wizbit: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004V2LKT8/ref=as_ . . . v_novafw.php |
| [14:49:50] | dekarl-too: | wizbit, if both tv services (channels) are transmitted in the same transport (radio channel / frequency) then you can record them with one tuner and multirec |
| [14:50:04] | wizbit: | ace :D |
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| [14:50:27] | wizbit: | BBC1 and BBC2 are on the same transport in SD, im not sure about HD |
| [14:51:27] | dekarl-too: | and IIRC you have 5 DVB-T transports and 1 DVB-T2 transport in the UK, hence my reasoning that you got one spare DVB-T2 tuner with the TBS card |
| [14:52:00] | wizbit: | ohhhhhh |
| [14:52:13] | wizbit: | so there would be no point in having a dual dvb-t2 tuner |
| [14:52:24] | wizbit: | a single tuner could record all 4 hd channels : |
| [14:52:25] | wizbit: | :D |
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| [15:53:45] | stuartm: | right, the only consideration is space for cards, a dual DVB-T2 tuner takes less space than 1xDVB-T and 1xDVB-T2 |
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| [15:54:45] | stuartm: | a DVB-T2 card can also do DVB-T (just not the other way around) |
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| [16:25:11] | dekarl-too: | stuartm: I was referring to a note on linuxtv wrt that special dual DVB-T2 card that it is not able to tune to DVB-T and T2 at the same time... |
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| [16:36:08] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-too: what does that mean? |
| [16:36:21] | wagnerrp: | it has two tuners, but they have to either be both DVB-T, or both DVB-T2? |
| [16:36:28] | wagnerrp: | they cant operate completely independently? |
| [16:38:08] | dekarl-too: | I have no idea, see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6280 |
| [16:38:20] | dekarl-too: | but yes I understand it that way |
| [16:39:07] | wagnerrp: | thats just screwy |
| [16:44:05] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-too: there's one set of drivers that can do DVB-T, theres another set that can handle DVB-T2 |
| [16:44:21] | wagnerrp: | in order to switch between T and T2, you would have to unload one and load the other |
| [16:47:34] | dekarl-too: | good thing wiz bit intends to use it as a pure DVB-T2 device, then |
| [16:49:30] | wagnerrp: | oh you dirty dirty spammer |
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| [16:50:22] | helptranscode: | Hello, I am trying to use mythcommflag with --gencutlist and am getting a failed with exit status 233 |
| [16:50:58] | helptranscode: | I have no user jobs running, so on the master backend, I added the --gencutlist argument to the mythtranscode command |
| [16:51:22] | helptranscode: | seems like that's not the way to do what I want to do |
| [16:53:58] | helptranscode: | do I have to setup a user job to do this? |
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| [17:07:20] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: since when has the commit hook missed -fixes? i thought it was working in the last few days? |
| [17:07:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: of, you probably mean for trac (not email) |
| [17:07:50] | skd5aner: | s/of/oh |
| [17:12:47] | helptranscode: | ok, so forget the internal commercial flagging, If I use a userjob I would need mythcommflag --gencutlist and what else? I can live with mistakes that the commflagger makes in marking the programs |
| [17:13:53] | [R]: | what? there is no "internal" commercial flagger |
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| [18:18:41] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: no, it hasnt been working for about two months |
| [18:18:59] | wagnerrp: | there just arent many referenced back to fixes from tickets |
| [18:19:01] | bobobobob: | question: I have a tivo HD....can I change that into mythtv box? I did some looking on google but no luck....I know that doesn't always mean its impossible though. I am only interested in local over the air HD channels in my area. |
| [18:19:13] | wagnerrp: | no, you cannot run mythtv on a tivo |
| [18:19:46] | bobobobob: | I am not worried with it being a "Tivo" when I am done |
| [18:19:50] | bobobobob: | ;) |
| [18:20:17] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter, just because "it runs linux" doesnt mean the drivers to access the hardware are open source and/or available to you |
| [18:20:18] | bobobobob: | 12.95 a month is too painful to pay...I just hate to throw the tivo away |
| [18:20:40] | bobobobob: | I gotcha, just trying to repurpose |
| [18:20:48] | wagnerrp: | you can install your own blend of linux on it, but you cant do crap with it when youre done |
| [18:20:57] | bobobobob: | LOL |
| [18:21:11] | bobobobob: | that doesnt surprise me |
| [18:21:32] | wagnerrp: | just like how better than half of modern tvs run linux, but that doesnt mean you can flash your own firmware on them and do whatever you please |
| [18:21:58] | bobobobob: | ;) of course |
| [18:22:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv expects a PC, and that means a relatively modern processor, with a relatively modern amount of memory, and a video card that has decent support on linux |
| [18:23:08] | wagnerrp: | so if youre buying new, that means youre looking at an Athlon II, Core 2, or Core i3... 2–4GB of memory... and an nvidia card |
| [18:23:20] | bobobobob: | I knew drivers would be the major question |
| [18:23:33] | bobobobob: | thats why I thought I would ask |
| [18:23:36] | wagnerrp: | you can get by with less, but thats about the bare minimum you can buy today if youre not delving into the underpowered Atoms |
| [18:23:44] | wizbit: | stuartm: can i record all 4x UK HD DVB-T2 channels at the same time with a single DVB-T2 tuner? They are all on the same transport? |
| [18:24:35] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: you keep mentioning these "4x channels", what are you talking about |
| [18:24:49] | wizbit: | bbc1, bbc2, itv and channel 4 |
| [18:25:05] | wagnerrp: | so "4 channels" |
| [18:25:15] | wagnerrp: | "x" means youre multiplying something else |
| [18:25:21] | wizbit: | oh |
| [18:26:22] | wizbit: | im hoping to keep the nova-t 500 for all the SD channels, and get a single dvb-t2 tuner what can record those 4 channels at the same time when required. |
| [18:27:02] | wagnerrp: | assuming they exist on two or less multiplexes, that dual tuner card you linked to will work fine |
| [18:27:45] | wagnerrp: | bobobobob: was the tivohd a cablecard tuner? or just a digital tuner? |
| [18:27:46] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: there would be no point in having 2 dvb-t2 tuners, as a single tuner could record all the channels at the same time |
| [18:28:00] | wizbit: | because they are all on the same transport.. i think |
| [18:28:21] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: they may be now... you dont think theyre going to slowly transition over to T2? |
| [18:28:30] | wizbit: | im not sure |
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| [18:28:34] | wagnerrp: | replace old T transmitters with T2 ones on different frequencies? |
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| [18:28:51] | wizbit: | if thats the case, then maybe a dual tuner would be a better bet |
| [18:29:05] | wizbit: | dual tuner for SD and a dual tuner for HD :D |
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| [18:29:33] | wizbit: | at the moment, the dual tuner cannot record dvb-t and dvb-t2 at the same time, maybe that will change |
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| [18:47:01] | pri0n: | i have an odd problem with my haupauge 2250. this is my first time installing mythtv, though i do have linux experience. i followed the directions i found for adding the card and configuring it, but when adding channels it appears to have no signal at all. in analog mode it has signal, but digital (i am doing ATSC for standard broadcast channels) and i get nothing. it does find some channels, but they do not come in. i have an antenna and it works |
| [18:47:01] | pri0n: | fine in windows mediacenter |
| [18:47:11] | pri0n: | oh, and greets all if anyone is up or around |
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| [20:32:32] | iamlindoro: | Good god the New Zealanders have insane street names |
| [20:32:38] | iamlindoro: | I can't pronounce them, let alone remember them |
| [20:32:59] | wagnerrp: | looking over the course? |
| [20:33:33] | iamlindoro: | Well, looking over the various places I have to get when setting up |
| [20:33:41] | iamlindoro: | rental car place, hotel, bike shop, etc. |
| [20:33:48] | wizbit: | iamlindoro: your LG drive is a GGC-H20L? you got that because you hold those HD DVD disks? |
| [20:34:08] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: plus its one of the few drives with a hackable firmware |
| [20:34:33] | wizbit: | i wonder if there are any ultra slim drives what will fit in my future frontend |
| [20:34:42] | wizbit: | bluray + hackable firmware |
| [20:34:52] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [20:35:12] | wagnerrp: | just rip it to hard disk, and play streamed from your backend |
| [20:35:14] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: what other drives have hackable firmware |
| [20:35:26] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: thats the plan |
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| [20:36:14] | wizbit: | £100 is a lot of cash for a drive |
| [20:36:17] | wagnerrp: | the 'hackable firmware' is really just to let you generate your own AACS keys, if the group key for that version is not known |
| [20:36:28] | wizbit: | ok |
| [20:36:41] | ** iamlindoro attempts to remember to go to the bike shop at the corner of Horomatangi and Ruapehu ** | |
| [20:36:41] | wagnerrp: | its of lesser use if youre going to rip everything with something like AnyDVD |
| [20:36:53] | wizbit: | i will use makemkv |
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| [20:40:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Ooooh, didn't get it fixed in time for PPC… KILL HIM! |
| [20:40:29] | wagnerrp: | missed it by seconds... |
| [20:41:14] | stuartm: | it's not going to interrupt running builds though, so just wait for Windows et al |
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| [20:42:08] | stuartm: | I sometimes wish it would just to suppress the torrent of emails I'm now going to receive for an issue which was already fixed |
| [20:42:19] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: We have an unwritten rule that you're not in trouble for breaking master if you fix it before the PPC build |
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| [20:42:30] | iamlindoro: | It's basically just something wagnerrp joke about |
| [20:42:40] | iamlindoro: | er wagnerrp and I |
| [20:43:26] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt work so well when you have a very small commit, and a fresh ccache |
| [20:43:37] | iamlindoro: | excuses excuses |
| [20:43:47] | wagnerrp: | so your time-to-error is more dependent on disk IO than the negligible performance of that PPC |
| [20:45:22] | wagnerrp: | hold on, buildbot has the fix in a full 24 seconds before the ppc bot failed |
| [20:45:23] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [20:45:30] | iamlindoro: | Ah, here's another at the corner of Tamamutu and… Starlight Arcade? How'd that one get in there? |
| [20:45:45] | wagnerrp: | (and pushed 4 seconds after it failed) |
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| [23:39:56] | helptranscode: | Hello |
| [23:42:55] | helptranscode: | I'd like to have mythcommflag generate a cutlist everytime a commflag job is run, how do I set this up? |
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