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| [00:20:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive got no problem with him running on such hardware |
| [00:20:45] | wagnerrp: | if it fits his needs, more power to him |
| [00:21:06] | wagnerrp: | i just have a problem with him recommending it to other people without detailing the implications of doing so |
| [00:21:31] | wagnerrp: | the difference between minimum requirements and minimum recommended requirements |
| [00:21:33] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [00:23:17] | sphery: | I think a large number of people who are using underpowered systems are doing so because they're convinced by people who recommend them without details |
| [00:29:57] | wagnerrp: | well this is interesting... someone keeps sending '\x80F\x01\x03\x01' to my web server |
| [00:30:14] | wagnerrp: | ive had my logs open and tailing since working on the mythweb stuff this morning |
| [00:30:51] | wagnerrp: | theyve been doing it for about three hours now |
| [00:32:12] | wagnerrp: | its not even a GET/POST/whatever |
| [00:32:17] | ** iamlindoro opts *not* to tell Mitchell Gore how to hack his database to try to make it work with when following the actual instructions works properly ** | |
| [00:32:17] | wagnerrp: | just that string |
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| [00:40:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean like an SSL request on a non-SSL port? (you can likely create your own with: openssl s_client -host $IP_ADDR -port $PORT |
| [00:40:35] | sphery: | guessing someone scanning to try to find weaknesses... |
| [00:40:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that could be... but this appears to be a very specific string |
| [00:40:50] | wagnerrp: | it keeps getting reused on my end |
| [00:40:56] | sphery: | yeah, do the line I just gave and I'll bet it's near identical |
| [00:41:03] | wagnerrp: | and google shows it being used on a lot of other people's ends as well |
| [00:42:01] | wagnerrp: | close... \x80\x89\x01\x03\x01 |
| [00:42:21] | wagnerrp: | only one center block out of five different |
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| [00:43:16] | wagnerrp: | now to figure out how to stash all this other cruft in my tree, and leave the autoexpire stuff i actually want to compile |
| [00:44:43] | wagnerrp: | and hopefully get it compiled after a distclean within 15 minutes, so its not causing disk load and disrupting my database |
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| [00:49:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: openssl s_client -debug -host $ADDR -port $PORT |
| [00:50:13] | sphery: | I'll bet you'll see, "write to ...\n0000 – 80 46 01 03 01 ..." |
| [00:50:40] | sphery: | i.e. that's the ascii representation of the data from the server--which is likely an error page |
| [00:52:29] | sphery: | oh, but for yours, it would be 80 89 01 03 01 (the 46 would be the one with an F) |
| [00:53:15] | sphery: | ok, wait, it's the openssl client writing the 80 .. 01 03 01... and then it's getting back an error page in the "read from" section |
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| [00:56:25] | sphery: | so the initial bytes of the ssl request seem to be different depending on ip used for the request (at least for me, it's identical when using the same IP address, even if using different host names to reach that IP) |
| [00:56:48] | sphery: | specifically that one byte byte changes |
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| [01:13:53] | wagnerrp: | oh this just keeps getting more painful |
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| [01:18:48] | sphery: | no pain, no gain? |
| [01:19:20] | wagnerrp: | changing the types causes problems elsewhere, because its passing longlong addressed into some other utility |
| [01:19:43] | wagnerrp: | changing the utility means ive got to rework other chunks of code to suit |
| [01:19:49] | wagnerrp: | which in turn means.... |
| [01:22:52] | skd5aner: | so, got HDMI audio working the other night, but now no sound in MNV |
| [01:23:07] | skd5aner: | need to catch up on a missed episode on hulu |
| [01:24:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, we don't support comma separated SG dirs anywhere that I know of, that seems to date back quite far. it might be that I had been testing with RecordedFilePrefix set to a comma separated directory list like the video directory setting. |
| [01:25:17] | sphery: | yeah, saw that we were pulling RecordedFilePrefix in there--but we never actually used it |
| [01:26:05] | sphery: | I've since decided, however, that I'm removing all of that code and going to use StorageGroup::CheckAllSGDirs() (or whatever it's called) and possibly some "higher-level" function to do an overall sanity check, too |
| [01:26:37] | sphery: | makes sense to reuse what we have and for SG class to be able to check for configuration issues itself |
| [01:26:51] | sphery: | (and will work nicely with the http setup stuff, too) |
| [01:28:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, there was talk and/or ticket and/or task about switching the int/uint/size_t/whatever else to uint64_t where appropriate, but it was one of those, "big job and not a lot of noticeable benefit" jobs, so it got backburnered |
| [01:36:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: reviewing my irc logs, it looks like we were going to int64_t because that's what avformat uses for timestamps, etc... meaning we were going to standardize on that rather than long long |
| [01:37:29] | sphery: | see, for example, Aug 30, 2010 |
| [01:38:16] | wagnerrp: | well, a year and a half delayed, but ive made a small dent in that |
| [01:38:24] | sphery: | nice |
| [01:38:38] | sphery: | and for file sizes, it really should have been done a while back |
| [01:41:54] | sphery: | and only mention of off_t I found was http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 37534#437534 |
| [01:42:03] | sphery: | way too many types in C |
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| [02:07:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, and the other fun part of changing types--different compilers/versions differently require the includes :) |
| [02:09:48] | wagnerrp: | freebsd compiled just fine bitches! |
| [02:10:04] | wagnerrp: | (actually, ill have to see why it failed in plugins) |
| [02:11:06] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:11:25] | wagnerrp: | seems mytharchive called some of the shared functions i changed |
| [02:12:06] | sphery: | ah, at least this way you get a couple of notifications per attempt |
| [02:12:18] | iamlindoro: | Oh yay Turbotax, web app has a bug that inserts a blank page in my case, which causes the returns to fail error check |
| [02:13:11] | sphery: | just file a blank tax return... :) |
| [02:13:17] | wagnerrp: | so is that cstdlib? |
| [02:13:36] | sphery: | for int64_t it's stdint.h |
| [02:13:38] | iamlindoro: | #include <*.h> |
| [02:13:44] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:14:40] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see |
| [02:16:08] | sphery: | wonder if some would prefer our using qint64 |
| [02:17:00] | sphery: | anyway, should be an easier switch to qint64 from int64_t, if so |
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| [02:20:10] | wagnerrp: | ugh... theres a significant amount to change in mytharchive |
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| [02:21:09] | iamlindoro: | git rm mythplugins/mytharchive is a significant change too |
| [02:21:20] | iamlindoro: | and way more user friendly ;) |
| [02:21:40] | sphery: | I thought mytharchive was python (and now using bindings)? |
| [02:22:00] | wagnerrp: | no, there is a chunk of python in there that does something |
| [02:22:15] | wagnerrp: | then theres a chunk of C++ in there the python calls for various tasks |
| [02:22:21] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend plugin itself |
| [02:22:25] | sphery: | ohhh |
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| [02:39:53] | mangus580: | evening gang.... |
| [02:40:21] | mangus580: | having some issues with the screen setup wizard on a frontend, and hoping someone may be able to help me |
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| [02:41:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it might not be a bad idea to use qint64 instead |
| [02:41:31] | sphery: | mangus580: go into Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance and reset screen size (width and height) and offsets to 0? |
| [02:41:55] | wagnerrp: | since the overloaded methods dont seem to support int64_t |
| [02:42:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, the int64_t in libav* only comes into play in playback stuff, so for file size stuff we could do qint64 |
| [02:42:52] | sphery: | which overloaded methods? |
| [02:43:09] | wagnerrp: | im running into type issues with QtXML |
| [02:43:16] | sphery: | oh |
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| [02:43:24] | mangus580: | thanks sphery |
| [02:43:32] | wagnerrp: | as in, there is no overloaded setAttribute() method that accepts a int64_t |
| [02:43:34] | mangus580: | I knew I might be missing something |
| [02:43:35] | sphery: | mangus580: did that help? if so, lucky guess :) |
| [02:43:45] | wagnerrp: | while there are ones for qint64 and longlong |
| [02:43:54] | wagnerrp: | even though its all the same thing |
| [02:44:05] | sphery: | and the int64_t doesn't automatically cast to qint64? |
| [02:44:13] | wagnerrp: | seems not |
| [02:44:14] | mangus580: | I dont know yet.... but now that you said it, it reminded me that spot existed, and will most likely cure my problem |
| [02:44:20] | mangus580: | my next issue is lack of sound on that box |
| [02:44:27] | sphery: | guess since some compilers are picky about long long -> int64_t and v/v, that makes sense |
| [02:45:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm all for qint64 if it makes it easier |
| [02:45:44] | sphery: | I doubt anyone will complain, either |
| [02:45:44] | wagnerrp: | well its already done |
| [02:45:47] | sphery: | hehe, cool |
| [02:45:59] | wagnerrp: | no sense making more changes right now just to make them |
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| [02:47:11] | sphery: | and then again, there's the whole, "he who does gets 100% of the votes to cast" thing |
| [02:48:47] | wagnerrp: | silly windows build bot, still hasnt even hit the error |
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| [02:49:20] | sphery: | It's still swapping MS Office out of RAM so it has room to run a compile |
| [02:49:35] | sphery: | (after all, Windows loads every single program you install when you boot, so...) |
| [02:49:45] | mangus580: | LOL |
| [02:50:04] | mangus580: | some day I will attempt to compile a windows setup just to have a handy frontend to run on my laptop |
| [02:50:34] | mangus580: | granted... I would prefer an android frontend... UPnP is a little klunky IMO |
| [02:50:40] | sphery: | I took a different approach... I installed GNU/Linux on my laptop just so I'd have a handly OS on my laptop. :) |
| [02:51:05] | sphery: | the windows frontend, in theory, is a real frontend |
| [02:51:09] | sphery: | and doesn't do UPnP |
| [02:51:15] | sphery: | it's the same mythfrontend code |
| [02:51:19] | mangus580: | I used to run Linux on my desktop – but I couldnt hack it long term |
| [02:51:26] | sphery: | the "in theory" just means "assuming it actually works" |
| [02:51:47] | mangus580: | yeah |
| [02:51:53] | sphery: | yeah, I'd say GNU/Linux isn't right for most people--and many of those using it use it for all the wrong reasons |
| [02:52:09] | mangus580: | sphery: I was referring to UPnP for android |
| [02:52:26] | sphery: | it's good for me because I have a bit of an obsessive control issue and I like to be able to (and actually do) fix bugs in apps I use that are preventing me from getting my work done |
| [02:53:11] | sphery: | but those who use it "so I don't have to buy MS Windows" are actually spending a /lot/ more on GNU/Linux than they would have on a Windows license |
| [02:53:57] | sphery: | (figuring even at max, a Windows license on a pre-built computer--laptop of whatever--will be $30, but usually more like $5-$20 of the purchase price) |
| [02:54:35] | sphery: | assuming you're buying from a Dell or HP or Lenovo or Asus or whatever, rather than from Joe's Neighborhood Computer Store |
| [02:54:55] | mangus580: | heh |
| [02:55:05] | mangus580: | and it looks like that didnt fix my screen issue :-( |
| [02:55:27] | sphery: | ok, so this time I should probably let you actually ask your question/describe the issue :) |
| [02:55:45] | mangus580: | sure! |
| [02:56:03] | mangus580: | when I try to run the wizard... it doesnt ever offset the picture to put it where I want on teh TV |
| [02:56:17] | mangus580: | but... knowing where more settings are... I may be able to fix it |
| [02:57:00] | sphery: | yeah, I knew that if you entered the wizard with the screen set at anything other than full size, it didn't really do what you'd expect |
| [02:57:41] | sphery: | but if resetting it to 0/0/0/0 doesn't make it work right, I don't know what else to try--other than just specifying the values directly in the Appearance section |
| [02:58:42] | mangus580: | I think... now that I am remembering a little more – that the wizard didnt work for me before either |
| [02:59:08] | mangus580: | I had to use the wizard to get my initial offset coordinates... and then tinker from there |
| [02:59:17] | mangus580: | yanno... a nice HD tv... would solve this problem LMAO |
| [03:00:51] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:01:19] | sphery: | the problem is many hdtv manufacturers have their own ideas of what a nice hdtv would do with computer inputs |
| [03:02:26] | mangus580: | understood... but it would still be a hell of a lot better a start than s-video on a SD tv |
| [03:02:33] | sphery: | yeah, true |
| [03:09:21] | mangus580: | it appears, the offset setting is not doing anything |
| [03:09:31] | mangus580: | it is possible, my xorg.conf is messed up |
| [03:10:23] | mangus580: | had I not been a moron 3 years ago when I built it the first time, and used a usb stick for a hard drive...... |
| [03:13:27] | mangus580: | sphery: is it normal for a restart of the frontend to be needed to get the offset to take? |
| [03:13:29] | sphery: | offset should work unless your window manager ignores it |
| [03:13:44] | sphery: | and, yeah, it's possible you may need to restart for offset |
| [03:13:51] | mangus580: | figures ;-) |
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| [03:21:25] | mangus580: | boo-yah |
| [03:21:26] | mangus580: | got it |
| [03:21:38] | mangus580: | now to figure out why I don thave sound |
| [03:26:47] | mangus580: | sphery: any tips on making the alsa sound work? |
| [03:26:57] | mangus580: | its not even working at the OS level (mythbuntu) |
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| [03:28:11] | sphery: | not muted is it? |
| [03:28:22] | mangus580: | nope |
| [03:28:27] | mangus580: | I wish it was that easy |
| [03:28:28] | sphery: | or (and I'm only saying this because I've done it) plugged into the wrong sound card? |
| [03:28:48] | mangus580: | heh |
| [03:28:55] | mangus580: | no, only got one sound card |
| [03:29:21] | sphery: | do you get errors when you attempt to play sounds? |
| [03:29:27] | sphery: | like using aplay or something |
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| [03:30:36] | mangus580: | tried playing a youtube video, and no sound |
| [03:30:58] | sphery: | try a command line app like aplay |
| [03:31:01] | sphery: | will give best errors |
| [03:31:27] | mangus580: | k |
| [03:31:36] | sphery: | and if none, then it's likely something like a muted channel or middle-man-stopping-playback or similar |
| [03:31:43] | sphery: | (middle man like pulse) |
| [03:32:16] | mangus580: | k |
| [03:32:31] | mangus580: | for aplay... just type aplay at a command? |
| [03:33:39] | sphery: | aplay /path/to/audio/file |
| [03:33:46] | sphery: | but it onyl accepts a few audio formats |
| [03:34:18] | mangus580: | ahh |
| [03:35:10] | mangus580: | hmmm plugged in analog audio, and I think I got it working |
| [03:35:14] | sphery: | try: wget 'ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au' && aplay english.au |
| [03:35:16] | mangus580: | so my spdif isnt working |
| [03:35:26] | mangus580: | I wonder if its not plugged into the amp anymore |
| [03:35:31] | ** mangus580 feels like an idiot now ** | |
| [03:35:53] | sphery: | hehe, it happens to us all |
| [03:36:44] | mangus580: | yup |
| [03:36:58] | mangus580: | hmmm soemthing is killing my connection to youtube |
| [03:37:10] | ** mangus580 is now playing elmo videos for the 2 year old that is awake ** | |
| [03:38:34] | mangus580: | odd – and now spdif is working |
| [03:38:35] | mangus580: | go figure |
| [03:38:39] | mangus580: | oh well |
| [03:39:43] | mangus580: | hmmmm – no sound in myth still |
| [03:39:48] | mangus580: | time to go dig some more |
| [03:43:29] | sphery: | might need to do a scan for audio devices in mythtv |
| [03:43:41] | sphery: | select any random one, then next, next, next, finish |
| [03:43:46] | mangus580: | somethign is flaky with my digital output |
| [03:43:55] | sphery: | then go back out, scan, select the one you think it is, then next, next, ... finish |
| [03:43:59] | sphery: | then test |
| [03:44:07] | sphery: | utilities/setup|setup|general |
| [03:47:54] | mangus580: | so why is it that when I set my gui to fit the screen properly, the video playback has a border all the way around it.... but if I tell the video to go full screen, i lose some of the image? |
| [03:49:06] | sphery: | "tell the video to go full screen" means disable "use gui size for video playback"? |
| [03:49:25] | sphery: | er, Use GUI size for TV playback |
| [03:49:30] | mangus580: | yeah |
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| [03:49:55] | sphery: | and these are tiny borders? not letterboxing/pillarboxing? |
| [03:50:39] | mangus580: | right – its actually a noticable difference -as I have a show that is letterboxed... I can see the letter box, then the 'desktop' background beyond it |
| [03:50:53] | sphery: | not sure what's happening |
| [03:50:58] | sphery: | I use full screen for both |
| [03:51:00] | mangus580: | but if I expand the screen to make the video fit, the gui runs off the border of the tv |
| [03:51:03] | sphery: | and I adjusted my X modeline |
| [03:52:01] | mangus580: | what does that do? |
| [03:52:23] | sphery: | makes full screen fit inside the borders of the TV |
| [03:52:36] | sphery: | so terminals and other stuff don't go into overscan area |
| [03:53:08] | mangus580: | how does one do that? (basically overriding what the constrains of full screen really are?) |
| [03:53:08] | sphery: | but means you're using fewer pixels to display the picture than the screen's native resolution |
| [03:53:18] | sphery: | pretty much |
| [03:53:32] | sphery: | there's some info on the 'net about X modeline creation |
| [03:53:48] | mangus580: | k |
| [03:53:51] | sphery: | but I've always just searched avsforum to find the model TV I have and a modeline someone else created |
| [03:54:24] | sphery: | for s-video output, it's less about the model of tv, so should be able to find some good generic ones to try |
| [03:54:30] | mangus580: | gotcha – chances of finding something like that for my ancient tv is about nill LOL |
| [03:54:32] | mangus580: | true |
| [03:54:48] | sphery: | yeah, but it's so ancient that it's more standardized :) |
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| [04:18:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the question is whether this is another person using gles on a desktop... |
| [04:19:21] | wagnerrp: | gles on a desktop? is there such a thing? |
| [04:20:49] | sphery: | opengl es is enabled by default in configure, we don't have a switch to disable opengl es in configure, and if you build mesa inappropropriately (i.e including opengl es on a non-embedded system), you will have the bits configure looks for, so you will use opengl es on desktop |
| [04:20:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: anyway, jflatt has been around for several years |
| [04:21:01] | wagnerrp: | hes a maemo/meemo guy |
| [04:21:02] | sphery: | using mesa software gl likely |
| [04:21:08] | wagnerrp: | (mobile devices) |
| [04:21:12] | sphery: | ah, then he may actually be using it on mobile |
| [04:22:27] | sphery: | in nov we had a series of people talking about how gl es broke on their <distro built by someone as smart as the user> desktop systems |
| [04:23:03] | wagnerrp: | where was this? |
| [04:23:07] | sphery: | and may |
| [04:23:11] | sphery: | lists |
| [04:24:20] | sphery: | May: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/480845#480845 , nov: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10126 |
| [04:26:13] | wagnerrp: | wtf.... |
| [04:26:26] | wagnerrp: | eek better opengl performance out of desktop hardware? |
| [04:26:46] | wagnerrp: | gentoo... |
| [04:26:52] | ** wagnerrp shakes his head in shame ** | |
| [04:27:09] | sphery: | ok, so don't see support for nov one being desktop hardware on the lists, but you and I talked about all the people building with gl es support on desktops in Nov |
| [04:27:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but it's a distro built by someone as smart as the user |
| [04:27:41] | wagnerrp: | so it is |
| [04:27:42] | sphery: | and since we all know that all users have tech level: extremely high |
| [04:28:01] | iamlindoro: | It's a sad, sad day when the most sensible linux users are all running Ubuntu ;) |
| [04:28:12] | sphery: | (not saying anything about ebuild maintainers but about the fact that users of gentoo flip random switches) |
| [04:28:39] | iamlindoro: | There's always Exherbo-- you know, gentoo, without all the hand-holding |
| [04:28:50] | sphery: | Hmmmm.. Mesa says it's building without OpenGL ES support... I might want that some day. Let me just put the opengl es use flag in my command! |
| [04:29:11] | sphery: | hehe, is exherbo still going? |
| [04:29:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [04:29:47] | sphery: | hehe, yeah... and they now have a striped cow mascot, so it must be a good distro |
| [04:30:14] | sphery: | because cows eat grass, which is like an herb--and after it's been eaten, it's an ex-herb? |
| [04:30:26] | wagnerrp: | striped... like racing stripes? |
| [04:30:40] | sphery: | I'm thinking more like acid-based stripes |
| [04:30:48] | iamlindoro: | And when the cow is done with it, it's Ex-herb-oh! |
| [04:30:50] | sphery: | you know, like a 2001 type acid base |
| [04:30:56] | sphery: | look at the cow's eyes... |
| [04:31:00] | sphery: | http://exherbo.org/ |
| [04:31:13] | sphery: | he's definitely been hitting the herbs... |
| [04:31:15] | wagnerrp: | yep, thems crazy eyes |
| [04:32:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: hehe, yeah... Look, it's ex-herb-o it's all over my shoes! |
| [04:32:34] | sphery: | I only tease because I know I'm not smart enough to run exherbo |
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| [04:38:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/tree/docs/opengles.html + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/tree/docs/egl.html ... doesn't say anything about not doing es on desktop? |
| [04:39:04] | wagnerrp: | the only purpose for GLES is for use on memory limited devices |
| [04:39:13] | sphery: | yeah, I don't see what the benefit would be |
| [04:39:14] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of any particularly memory limited graphics cards |
| [04:39:42] | sphery: | it's possible their docs are specifically geared toward devs with the idea that someone building it is doing so to use the emulator to do gl es development |
| [04:39:52] | sphery: | but... who know |
| [04:43:54] | sphery: | OK, so seems a lot of people are suggesting OpenGL ES (even for thinks like "KDE 4.7 with OpenGL ES 2.0 KWin backend" @ https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=123290 on Arch desktops) because it's a simpler API without a ton of extensions--and, therefore, easier for devs to understand |
| [04:44:08] | sphery: | which seems to translate to, "if the devs understand it, the code works better" |
| [04:44:33] | sphery: | though they are saying that closed driver support is spotty at best |
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| [04:47:57] | sphery: | we should probably ask markk if people should be using it on desktops and if we should maybe add an explicit configure switch to turn it on |
| [05:33:05] | wagnerrp: | todd.. why are you such a dunce... |
| [05:35:43] | wagnerrp: | guy just responded to a 5.5yr old thread on mythtvtalk |
| [05:45:03] | sphery: | hehe, did he at least give a good reply? |
| [05:45:10] | sphery: | hope it wasn't, "bump" |
| [06:10:59] | Beirdo: | or "me too" |
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| [07:38:03] | mat619: | Good morning! The Mythfrontend on my Mythbuntu 11.10 install crashes when playing .wma files and I couldn't resolve that issue myself, so I'd like to ask your for help. Here are the details: Starting playback of any wma file in a playlist causes the whole mythfrontend to crash immediately. dmesg shows the following: http://pastebin.com/6wwRzbk5 |
| [07:38:19] | mat619: | And here's the mythfrontend.log (cutted to show yesterday's contents, when I last tried to play WMAs): http://pastebin.com/5N20wf8f |
| [07:38:38] | mat619: | Any ideas? Thanks in advance! |
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| [11:58:45] | CiaranG: | A problem I frequently have: two programmes are scheduled to record on the same channel, one after the other. Mythtv decides to use the same tuner for both, so what I end up with (because the programme never starts at the scheduled time) is recording A, which contains programme X, and the first half of programme Y, and then recording B, with the second half of programme Y |
| [11:59:17] | CiaranG: | Is there a way to make myth use different tuners for the two recordings, such that the 10 minutes of recording before and after each still happen? |
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| [12:45:45] | russell5: | yes you can |
| [12:46:29] | russell5: | in the edit recording screen you can have it automaticlly record and x number of minutes before and after. and if that extra time runs into the other program myth will record the other program on another channel |
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| [12:47:06] | CiaranG: | I don't think it's working then, because it's supposed to be recording 10 before and 10 after |
| [12:47:28] | CiaranG: | Or do I have to set it specifically on the individual recording? My 10 minutes is a global setting |
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| [12:49:33] | russell5: | not sure never used to global setting always used for individual recordings. |
| [12:50:00] | CiaranG: | Ok, thanks – well I'll try setting it on the individual schedules and see what happens :) |
| [12:50:17] | russell5: | you can also force a recording to use a specific tuner. |
| [12:53:42] | CiaranG: | Your first way sounds easier |
| [12:54:03] | CiaranG: | Currently I'm using what's called RecordOverTime and RecordPreRoll in the database, both set to 600 seconds |
| [12:54:20] | CiaranG: | I guess that's not the same thing as setting it on the schedule. I'll do it that way instead |
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| [13:00:00] | CiaranG: | Right, yeah... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /158440.html |
| [13:00:07] | CiaranG: | I'm doing it wrong |
| [13:02:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Is it OTA? |
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| [13:03:38] | CiaranG: | Twiggy2cents: Meaning dvb-t, rather than dvb-s? Yes |
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| [13:05:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont know about the dvb stuff, on ATSC we have channels that multicast and have multiple channels in the same frequency. You can enable multicasting virtual tuners in mythtv setup. That allows you to record two shows on the one channel with one tuner. I think in your case it would allow you to record over and still record the beginning of the next recording |
| [13:06:05] | CiaranG: | Yeah, I *think* that will automatically happen here if I set it up right |
| [13:06:43] | CiaranG: | But I have two physical tuners anyway, so it should be ok as long as nothing else is recording, even without the virtual tuners |
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| [17:03:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: activestate is considerably worse than anything github does |
| [17:04:03] | wagnerrp: | github is just a dog on large code files |
| [17:04:23] | wagnerrp: | activestate drops into firefox's hang loop on any file |
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| [17:27:04] | Blaksmith: | Hey there... ok, probably a noobish problem here, but I just got a new capture card, Hauppauge HVR1800. the setup sees it, and I'm able to set th edevice / card type etc.. but, I keep getting an error about v4l in the backend server when trying to use it. |
| [17:27:24] | Blaksmith: | I have not compiled anything new, and my old Hauppauge PVR 150 still works fine |
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| [17:28:30] | Blaksmith: | even if I put it on MPEG-2, it tries to use the V4L.. |
| [17:30:52] | wagnerrp: | while the HVR-1800/1850 has worked for analog in linux for some time |
| [17:31:09] | wagnerrp: | there have been driver bugs that prevented its use in MythTV |
| [17:31:18] | wagnerrp: | only very recently (like last month or so) have those been resolved |
| [17:31:18] | Blaksmith: | how about the HD portion? |
| [17:31:31] | wagnerrp: | and im not sure if theyve made it into a released kernel yet |
| [17:31:38] | wagnerrp: | the digital (not HD) portion should work fine |
| [17:31:43] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok, so yet another upgrade on 0.25might fix? |
| [17:31:44] | wagnerrp: | but thats a 'DVB' card type |
| [17:31:53] | Blaksmith: | ok, let me try the dvb selection |
| [17:32:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv 0.24 or 0.25 has nothing to do with it |
| [17:32:26] | wagnerrp: | its a driver fix, which would require a new driver module be compiled manually, or use of a new kernel with it included |
| [17:33:00] | Blaksmith: | ooh .. using the DVB DVR got rid of one error .. (that I can see so far) |
| [17:33:20] | wagnerrp: | DVB DTV (not DVR) |
| [17:33:30] | Blaksmith: | wasn't looking at the actual setting |
| [17:33:36] | Blaksmith: | but saw dvb heh |
| [17:33:54] | Blaksmith: | but no go still.. (looking at settings) |
| [17:34:04] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by "no go" |
| [17:34:20] | Blaksmith: | when I go to "watch tv" .. it just flashes, and nothing then back to menu |
| [17:34:21] | wagnerrp: | when you select that type, it should autodetect your card through enumeration of the /dev mount |
| [17:35:00] | wagnerrp: | after which you must create a video source, map that source to the tuner input, scan for channels on that input |
| [17:35:15] | wagnerrp: | and only after that can you run the backend, and access live tv through the frontend |
| [17:36:14] | wagnerrp: | you have to map a video source onto it, as that allows multiple digital tuners to share a single source, such that you only have to scan for channels on one |
| [17:36:28] | wagnerrp: | is this hooked up to an antenna or cable? |
| [17:36:35] | Blaksmith: | cable |
| [17:36:48] | Blaksmith: | doing a quick scan, looks like it is not getting anything |
| [17:37:06] | wagnerrp: | do you have anything else with a QAM tuner? a digital TV perhaps? |
| [17:37:28] | Blaksmith: | yes, the TV finds all the channels just fine |
| [17:37:38] | wagnerrp: | all digital channels? or all analog channels? |
| [17:37:45] | Blaksmith: | it's mixed |
| [17:38:03] | Blaksmith: | below 100 is analog, above 100 is digital |
| [17:38:03] | wagnerrp: | so your tv can access things listed like 12.1, or 12_1, or 12–1 |
| [17:38:07] | Blaksmith: | yes |
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| [17:38:09] | wagnerrp: | something with some sort of separater? |
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| [17:38:56] | wagnerrp: | meaning its not hooked up through a cable box? |
| [17:39:09] | Blaksmith: | correct |
| [17:39:38] | wagnerrp: | then scanning should work... |
| [17:39:55] | wagnerrp: | between me telling you to do a scan, and you saying it found nothing, that was way too fast |
| [17:40:02] | wagnerrp: | which likely means you scanned improperly |
| [17:40:07] | wagnerrp: | what settings did you use when scanning? |
| [17:41:08] | Blaksmith: | every channel is giving a timeout .. but, the scans I'm trying, are different ones for the frequency table .. all returning nothing .. I'm going to swap the input connection from the analog that still works, with the input on the new card |
| [17:41:48] | wagnerrp: | when you scan on your tv, how many single number (analog) channels do you get? |
| [17:42:06] | wagnerrp: | like... 2–30? 2–75? |
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| [17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | the single number channels denote their actual physical channel |
| [17:44:13] | wagnerrp: | the two number channels are going to carry their own virtual identifier, so the numbers you see have no relevance to their physical frequency |
| [17:44:31] | Blaksmith: | ok, switched the cables around, just in case it is a bad cable... seeen worse things happen |
| [17:45:10] | wagnerrp: | meaning both cables are plugged into a splitter, which is plugged straight into the line coming from the pole? |
| [17:45:15] | wagnerrp: | not boxes of any sort in between? |
| [17:45:21] | Blaksmith: | scanning range: QAM-256 78 – 159 |
| [17:45:39] | Blaksmith: | yes, correct, no boxes inbetween |
| [17:45:51] | Blaksmith: | the only box in the house is in the bedroom, not in my computer room |
| [17:46:07] | wagnerrp: | just an example of what im talking about, i have a channel that scans into 12_1, but is on physical channel 94 |
| [17:47:08] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you want to be doing a full scan, using the Cable (not Cable High) frequency table, and QAM-256 |
| [17:47:22] | Blaksmith: | on my HD tv, when I scanned (a long time ago, not recently), I did get something like 24–1, 24–2, 24.3, 25, 27–1, 27.2 et.c... |
| [17:47:39] | wagnerrp: | its not like youre going to be doing this often, so theres no real harm in spending a couple extra minutes scanning additional channels when you dont actually know where they are physically located |
| [17:48:00] | wagnerrp: | that means it should say 166 channels, all the way from 2 to T-14 |
| [17:48:52] | Blaksmith: | ok, doing that one with 2 – T-14 ... still no signal |
| [17:48:53] | wagnerrp: | just let it sit there and churn through, should take 5 minutes or so |
| [17:49:10] | wagnerrp: | most of your channels will likely be analog, or unused |
| [17:49:14] | wagnerrp: | both would show up as no signal |
| [17:49:15] | Blaksmith: | it is still scanning, but not a single channel with any kind of signal |
| [17:50:42] | wagnerrp: | just let it finish, it doesnt scan in what you would consider sequential |
| [17:51:08] | Blaksmith: | finished, with "Failed to find any new channels!" |
| [17:51:47] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can suggest is to try using the command line `scan` to see if its a mythtv problem, or something physical or driver related |
| [17:52:02] | wagnerrp: | when you defined the card, did it complain anything about 'error cannot open'? |
| [17:52:22] | Blaksmith: | nope, if found it under the probing |
| [17:52:59] | Blaksmith: | device: /dev/dvb/adapter0/front0 ... frontend ID Samsung SH1409 QAM/Subtype: ATSC |
| [17:54:49] | Blaksmith: | and /dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0 directory does exist .. (mis-typed above.. frontend0 not front0) |
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| [18:33:32] | Blaksmith: | ok, starting to get something ... showing like "3 possible channels" on a few channels here and there |
| [18:35:39] | Blaksmith: | and hate to say it.. but part of it was because I had the cable plugged into the analog not ATSC /sigh/ |
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| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | hey... that would do it |
| [18:36:13] | wagnerrp: | s/hey/heh/ |
| [18:36:39] | Blaksmith: | the ones that do show like Program 1, Program 2, Program 3 ... they show up as Encrypted on the scann output too.. is that normal? |
| [18:37:10] | wagnerrp: | i assume you only get one or two dozen digital channels on your TV? |
| [18:37:23] | wagnerrp: | chances are the only ones it picks up re the local broadcast channels, right? |
| [18:37:24] | Blaksmith: | I have charter extended .. |
| [18:37:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, but what digital channels does your TV list? |
| [18:37:57] | Blaksmith: | quite a few actually |
| [18:38:18] | wagnerrp: | anything your TV picks up, you should expect that tuner and mythtv to receive as well |
| [18:38:33] | ** Blaksmith nods ... ** | |
| [18:38:57] | wagnerrp: | generally, that amounts to little more than your local broadcast channels |
| [18:39:08] | wagnerrp: | everything else digital gets encrypted, requiring a cable box to access |
| [18:39:33] | Blaksmith: | I get like Discovery, Nat Geo, Tru TV, etc.. all on my regular TV on the digital channels as well as my locals |
| [18:39:56] | Blaksmith: | wow, 48 possible channels on that one hehe |
| [18:39:59] | wagnerrp: | then consider yourself fortunate, and mythtv should pick those up as well |
| [18:40:19] | wagnerrp: | something with 48 channels is likely a "radio" channel |
| [18:40:28] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
| [18:40:48] | wagnerrp: | primarily audio, with a still frame or low motion video |
| [18:41:15] | Blaksmith: | yah, like when I had a sat dish .. D-TV's radio channels.. only changed the picture on new songs etc.. |
| [18:43:54] | Blaksmith: | ok, like this entry .. 4 showed up with "Encrypted" after it, but showed 6 possible.. meaning that 2 of those are clear QAM ? |
| [18:44:13] | wagnerrp: | potentially, or they could be unused blanks |
| [18:44:20] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
| [18:44:54] | wagnerrp: | when you scanned on your tv, were the non-local digital channels named? |
| [18:45:06] | Blaksmith: | 99% of them were |
| [18:45:26] | wagnerrp: | then they should be similarly identified when scanned in by mythtv |
| [18:46:07] | Blaksmith: | will they be auto numbered.. like 725 is my local HD channel 13 .. or will I have to map it somehow? |
| [18:46:20] | wagnerrp: | on my cable, only the local broadcast channels were named, since they carried over their ATSC identification data |
| [18:46:29] | wagnerrp: | the handful of non-local ones like WGN had no information |
| [18:46:49] | wagnerrp: | they were just an unknown channel, identified by the physical channel and stream id |
| [18:47:19] | wagnerrp: | anything that is named, mythfilldatabase will attempt to match up to names on on your schedules direct lineup when it next runs |
| [18:47:38] | Blaksmith: | ahh cool |
| [18:48:02] | wagnerrp: | anything that is not named, or does not match your lineup, must be filled in manually by figuring out what it is and setting the xmltvid, so mythfilldatabase knows how to reference it in the schedulesdirect guide data |
| [18:48:07] | Blaksmith: | yay.. I got live TV .. it's a start |
| [18:48:44] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use your cable company's virtual channel mapping, thats something you have to do entirely manually within the channel editor |
| [18:48:53] | Blaksmith: | ahho k |
| [18:49:23] | wagnerrp: | i believe thats the 'channum' value |
| [18:50:27] | wagnerrp: | which will be automatically set to the ATSC virtual mapping if available, or the physical channel and stream id if not |
| [18:50:58] | Blaksmith: | but I'll have to run the mythfilldatabase get them to try and match up first? |
| [18:51:26] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase handles guide data |
| [18:51:35] | wagnerrp: | everything having to do with that is just to pull guide data |
| [18:51:39] | Blaksmith: | ok |
| [18:52:17] | wagnerrp: | when it attempts to match to your SD lineup based off the name, that is only to set the xmltvid to reference later when pulling guide data |
| [19:01:12] | wizbit: | have SDs gone up in price together with Harddisks? |
| [19:02:02] | wagnerrp: | i think its largely irrelevant, since SD cards are too small for youre recording needs |
| [19:02:10] | wagnerrp: | *your |
| [19:03:06] | wizbit: | might be nice for a OS drive on the backend |
| [19:03:43] | wagnerrp: | but theyre relatively poor performance, and you would need a card reader |
| [19:03:57] | wizbit: | ok |
| [19:04:14] | wagnerrp: | did you actually mean SSD? |
| [19:04:19] | wizbit: | yep |
| [19:04:35] | wagnerrp: | solid state disk, rather than secure digital [card] |
| [19:04:41] | wizbit: | yes solid state |
| [19:04:58] | wizbit: | i wonder if those are made in thailand also |
| [19:05:06] | wagnerrp: | many people are starting to use those as OS drives, they have been unaffected by the flooding in thailand |
| [19:05:15] | wizbit: | ohhh |
| [19:05:39] | wizbit: | i dont think i need that power |
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| [19:06:03] | wagnerrp: | power? |
| [19:06:14] | wizbit: | speed or whatever |
| [19:06:24] | wizbit: | hard drives are still double the price :( |
| [19:06:24] | wagnerrp: | latency, more than anything else |
| [19:06:38] | wizbit: | maybe its god way of saying, move onto solid state |
| [19:07:08] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that youre simply not going to get a new hard drive of any sort for under $40-$50, even at pre-flood prices |
| [19:07:10] | ** wizbit wonders if thailand is still flooded ** | |
| [19:07:37] | wagnerrp: | between $40-$50 is the price range between 80GB and 1TB drives |
| [19:08:15] | wagnerrp: | while for an OS and database, and perhaps even a couple other OSs shared over NFS, youre looking at maybe a few tens of GB of required space |
| [19:08:15] | wizbit: | im sure they will come back down again once thailand is back in action |
| [19:08:50] | wizbit: | yep |
| [19:08:52] | wagnerrp: | when the 80GB is all you need, you could spend $40 on a new traditional hard drive, or $80 on an SSD |
| [19:08:53] | clever: | wizbit: the article i read, says the factoryes will be back in action arround monsoon season |
| [19:09:13] | wizbit: | september? |
| [19:09:41] | wagnerrp: | for not a whole lot more cost, all things considered, youre getting a huge boost in boot and database write performance |
| [19:09:56] | wizbit: | yep, good for VMs as well |
| [19:10:10] | wagnerrp: | how do you figure? |
| [19:10:25] | wizbit: | i might turn my backend into a hd frontend this weekend, i have a card ready to put inside it |
| [19:10:48] | wagnerrp: | what makes an SSD good for a VM? |
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| [19:11:00] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: more bandwidth? |
| [19:11:04] | wizbit: | write performance etc |
| [19:11:13] | wizbit: | im not actually sure |
| [19:11:23] | wagnerrp: | what does that have to do with VMs? |
| [19:11:42] | wizbit: | if 4x VMs are reading and writing at same time? |
| [19:11:58] | wizbit: | im just taking a guess |
| [19:12:07] | kormoc: | SSDs are hardly magical |
| [19:12:24] | wagnerrp: | in order to have 4 VMs reading and writing at the same time |
| [19:12:34] | wagnerrp: | they must have applications running inside them, reading and writing at the same time |
| [19:12:40] | wizbit: | aye |
| [19:12:45] | wagnerrp: | in other words, the SSD helps for _multitasking_ |
| [19:12:53] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with VMs |
| [19:12:55] | wizbit: | ok |
| [19:13:21] | wagnerrp: | multitasking and VM fulfill two completely different purposes |
| [19:13:34] | wizbit: | yep |
| [19:13:53] | wagnerrp: | multitasking is for running... multiple tasks, on a single piece of hardware |
| [19:14:00] | wizbit: | if i stick this nvidia geforce 210 in my backend, it will burn a extra 30–40 watts |
| [19:14:05] | kormoc: | The huge throughputs you hear about aren't SSDs on a sata bus, they're on PCIe and thus support multiple queues and what not |
| [19:14:12] | wagnerrp: | while VMs exist for hardware level isolation, for purposes of security or testing |
| [19:14:48] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, when each vm runs updatedb every night at 4 am… ;) |
| [19:15:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: hah... i made sure to turn off those nightly cronjobs on my BSD jails |
| [19:15:33] | wizbit: | do nvidia cards still burn lots of watts, even if they are idle? |
| [19:15:42] | kormoc: | still? |
| [19:15:46] | wagnerrp: | depends entirely on the card |
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| [19:16:04] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking a high end gaming card, wholly overpowered for mythtv's uses, yes |
| [19:16:37] | Blaksmith: | the main difference with a SSD vs regular HD, that I know of, is the speed... since it is solid state, no moving parts, it can read/write as fast as flash memory, while a regular HD has the physical movement limitations |
| [19:17:06] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: yes, the latency |
| [19:17:40] | wagnerrp: | rotating disks are easily pushing 100–150MB/s sequential, and 15K drives can even do maybe 200MB/s |
| [19:18:11] | kormoc: | Blaksmith, Latency != faster writes |
| [19:18:17] | wagnerrp: | compared to the 500MB/s you see on the best SATA SSDs, there isnt all that much difference to justify the cost |
| [19:18:25] | kormoc: | Blaksmith, the fastest sata ssds don't push memory speed writes/reads |
| [19:18:48] | Blaksmith: | Flash memory is still slow compaired to regular memory |
| [19:18:58] | wagnerrp: | but when youre talking about microseconds versus milliseconds of latency, they end up being immensely better for non-sequential access |
| [19:18:59] | kormoc: | my WD Back 2tb routinely beats my top end ssd |
| [19:19:32] | wagnerrp: | as well as things like databases which require non-volatile writes |
| [19:20:04] | Blaksmith: | all I was getting at is that the SSD is faster than a regular HD .. that's all :) |
| [19:20:16] | kormoc: | my point is that it's not awlays |
| [19:20:20] | kormoc: | *always |
| [19:20:30] | wagnerrp: | well there's fast, and there's quick |
| [19:20:40] | wagnerrp: | the importance of SSDs is that they're quick |
| [19:20:42] | kormoc: | (least in the sata form factor) |
| [19:20:47] | wagnerrp: | fast has little to do with it |
| [19:20:51] | Blaksmith: | well, yah, if you have, like you said, a 15k rpm drive, it will be probably just about as fast as the SSD |
| [19:21:07] | Blaksmith: | but the standard 7200 rpm, SSD will blow it out of the water |
| [19:21:25] | kormoc: | Blaksmith, my drive is a standard 7200 rpm that is often faster then my top end ssd |
| [19:21:43] | Blaksmith: | I don't have an SSD, so I can't compare ... yet |
| [19:21:44] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: not necessarily, a standard 7200RPM drive will have platters maybe 3.4" wide, while that 15KRPM drive might only have 2–2.5" platters |
| [19:22:09] | wagnerrp: | since data throughput is a function of linear velocity, the 15K drives wont be all that much faster on the outer edge |
| [19:22:15] | wagnerrp: | even though theyre spinning at twice the rate |
| [19:22:28] | kormoc: | Blaksmith, I have http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-vertex-3-sata-iii-2-5-ssd.html |
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| [19:23:11] | Blaksmith: | but the true question is .. what is the write life of the SSD .. is it like any standard flash, where it can only have 100k writes? or are they using something that can have more like 1 mil writes |
| [19:23:27] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: they ARE standard flash |
| [19:23:29] | kormoc: | Blaksmith, and http://www.wdc.com/global/products/specs/?dri . . . p;language=1 beats it often |
| [19:23:50] | wagnerrp: | except they're MLC flash, which is more like 10K writes |
| [19:24:34] | wagnerrp: | you get around that by overallocating space (so you have spares), and with good wear leveling mechanisms that migrate heavily written data around |
| [19:25:13] | wagnerrp: | even with that, at maximum throughput on an MLC drive, you're talking maybe a month or two before you burn it out |
| [19:25:20] | kormoc: | the new sanforce controllers do dynamic compression, so writing a say 8 gigs of data only actually write 2 gigs to the memory |
| [19:25:51] | wagnerrp: | under more typical consumer uses, youre likely going to replace the drive before you run out of write capacity |
| [19:25:51] | Blaksmith: | yuck.. I'll stick with a regular HD then hehe |
| [19:25:58] | kormoc: | but really, with proper backups, it doesn't matter much |
| [19:26:10] | kormoc: | my drive has a 10 year rated lifespan |
| [19:26:25] | kormoc: | if it dies before then, I get a new one and restore my backups |
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| [19:26:42] | kormoc: | and I'll be replacing her in 2 or 3 years anyway. 240 gigs is just too small |
| [19:26:45] | Blaksmith: | heck, use it as the backup drive, so you don't have as many writes hehe |
| [19:27:02] | kormoc: | my backup drives have way more writes then my main drives |
| [19:27:31] | wagnerrp: | if you are writing data so fast that you have to worry about write life on an SSD, you are using it for an application where the only alternative would be a memory disk |
| [19:28:20] | wagnerrp: | (actually, you would use an enterprise SLC drive with 100–500k cycles before resorting to a memory disk) |
| [19:30:30] | kormoc: | Meh, you'd move onto something like http://www.fusionio.com/platforms/iodrive2/ |
| [19:30:49] | kormoc: | PCIe interfaces are so much better then sata interfaces |
| [19:31:18] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it makes no difference in regards to write cycle life |
| [19:31:35] | wagnerrp: | SATA or PCIe, you would get something with SLC memory |
| [19:31:42] | wagnerrp: | (that cost 5–10x as much) |
| [19:31:51] | kormoc: | True, just saying SATA-SLC is just absurd imho :) |
| [19:33:09] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [19:53:46] | Blaksmith: | ok, off the wall question ... I have 2 cards in my machine .. one analog (known working) and now the new card... if I start watching say 72–3 (digital) and I want to go to one of the analog channels on the other card, will it auto switch to that card, or will I have to do something else to get it to go? |
| [19:55:05] | wagnerrp: | there was a 'browse across sources' option, but i believe it has since been removed |
| [19:55:27] | wagnerrp: | you can either use the 'm' menu to select a different source or different input |
| [19:55:33] | wagnerrp: | or you can use the 'nextcard' key binding |
| [19:55:44] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok.. |
| [19:55:56] | wagnerrp: | or better yet... you create recording rules for what you may want to watch, and come back to the recordings later at your leisure |
| [19:56:22] | Blaksmith: | for scheduling though, if I want to record on an analog for one show, and digital for another show, will it auto select the proper card? |
| [19:56:47] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:57:02] | Blaksmith: | ok, that's the main answer for the scheduling :) |
| [19:57:08] | wagnerrp: | and can record on both simultaneously (since thats a dual tuner rather than a hybrid tuner) |
| [19:57:14] | Blaksmith: | I rarely watch live tv.. mainly the recorded stuff |
| [19:57:29] | wagnerrp: | and depending on how your digital cable lineups are configured, it can record multiple shows on the digital tuner at once |
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| [19:58:05] | Blaksmith: | actually two physical tuners .. Hauppauge PVR 150 (analog) and the new hauppague 1800 |
| [19:58:16] | wagnerrp: | a tuner just captures and demodulates a data stream |
| [19:58:48] | wagnerrp: | for digital television, that data stream can carry multiple subchannels, each with one or more audio and video streams |
| [19:59:03] | ** Blaksmith nods ... as I'm seeing on the scans ** | |
| [19:59:13] | wagnerrp: | by default, mythtv will allow you to capture two simultaneously |
| [19:59:26] | wagnerrp: | in the advanced tuner options, you can set that as high as five |
| [19:59:31] | Blaksmith: | I may need to get a bigger HD heheh |
| [19:59:40] | wagnerrp: | as far as linux and/or mythtv is concerned, you have three tuners |
| [19:59:52] | wagnerrp: | two built into the same physical card on the 1800, plus the 150 |
| [20:00:13] | Blaksmith: | yah, the 1800 has the analog and digital, and then the 150 has just analog |
| [20:01:18] | Beirdo: | OMG, I'm tired |
| [20:01:52] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: thats as opposed to something like the HVR-1250 or -2250 which has hybrid tuners |
| [20:02:19] | wagnerrp: | the -2250 appears in linux as having four separate tuners, when it physically only has two |
| [20:02:21] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok, one input split to use either/or, but not and ? |
| [20:02:30] | wagnerrp: | but those two can operate in either analog or digital mode |
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| [21:09:21] | Blaksmith: | ok, trying different things, and ending up doing another scan ... what I'm finding out now, is that 90% of the channels do "not" have the names with them ... and I guess I'm going to have to manually go through and give each one a name once I find out what it is? |
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| [21:48:47] | Blaksmith: | hrm.. using E to edit the channel info within the frontend, is not seeming to work properly |
| [21:49:04] | wizbit: | are there are linux tools what will go through my entire music flac collection and correct all the filenames, tags etc ? |
| [21:51:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, I haven't had the "pleasure" of browsing activestate's repo |
| [21:54:02] | Blaksmith: | looks like it is the theme I'm using that is giving issues about the editing of the channel.. I'll figure it out |
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| [22:11:48] | Seeker`: | Anyone had any luck getting DVB-S2 to work with freesat? I'm able to tune channels using szap-s2, but mythtv doesn't pick them up when using the same settings in mythtv-setup. I get the warning 2012-01–27 22:08:58.792251 W DVBChan(27:/dev/dvb/adapter101/frontend0): Your frequency setting (9739153) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000) |
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| [22:37:38] | sphery: | xavierh + wagnerrp : so, is KEY_PLAY = TV Frontend/PLAYBACK and TV Playback/PLAY? On my remote, the play button is actually "P", which (in MythTV, by default) is mapped to TV Frontend/PLAYBACK and TV Playback/PAUSE |
| [22:38:12] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, if the 'play' button on your remote maps to 'p', then your lircd.conf is wrong |
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| [22:39:34] | sphery: | because IMHO, TV Playback/PLAY (by default, mapped to Ctrl+P) isn't useful as it will play, but won't pause, and TV Playback/PAUSE will toggle pause, so does the right thing either way (so I actually map both my Play and my Pause buttons on my remote to send a P) |
| [22:40:04] | sphery: | you actually map yours to Ctrl+P |
| [22:41:08] | wagnerrp: | are you saying the play button is KEY_PLAY, which your lircrc maps to P? or are you saying your play button is actually KEY_P? |
| [22:41:15] | wagnerrp: | i assumed you meant the latter |
| [22:42:19] | sphery: | the button labeled with the Play symbol on my remote is called play and sends a P, and the button labeled with a Pause symbol on my remote is called pause and sends a P |
| [22:42:49] | sphery: | I did my lircd.conf before the namespaces, so I didn't use KEY_PLAY, but with namespaces, that's what I would have used |
| [22:47:12] | sphery: | anyway, it's not important, but I think you're only switching which thing people have to edit and the only benefit is that a user who can't use non-matching names in lircd.conf and .lircrc |
| [22:48:38] | wagnerrp: | more that we always say the only thing configured outside the database is how to access the database... but then we have this big clumsy config file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [22:49:13] | wagnerrp: | where if all that translation were done in the database, it could be modified in the ui, or in mythweb, or over the services api or... |
| [22:49:23] | sphery: | so, the new way, "the only thing configured outside the database is how to access the database... but then we have this big clumsy config file in /etc/lircd.conf" |
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| [22:49:47] | sphery: | and it can be modified in those places just as easily |
| [22:49:50] | wagnerrp: | the user is never supposed to touch lircd.conf unless they are defining their own new remote |
| [22:50:51] | sphery: | so what you're saying is you don't want lirc to use key names for actions |
| [22:50:54] | sphery: | and, yeah, I'm all for that |
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| [22:51:30] | sphery: | but getting rid of lircrc doesn't really help with that--either way we have to write a proper lirc implementation and we have to tear out the entire current action system and replace it with one not based around keys |
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| [22:52:20] | sphery: | the lircrc is irrelevant in the matter... if there, it sends something and we then map that something (whether it's "p" or KEY_P or KEY_TV or whatever) to the mythtv action we want in the mythtv context we want |
| [22:52:23] | wagnerrp: | i would be happy to see action names instead of keys get used in lircrc, i would just be happier if the whole thing were done internally |
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| [22:55:37] | wagnerrp: | i.e. if your lircrc is lacking some button, you shouldnt have to edit some file, restart the frontend, test it, change the file to point to a new character, restart the frontend, test some more |
| [22:56:54] | ** wagnerrp heads afk ** | |
| [22:58:16] | sphery: | well, your lircrc can't be lacking a button unless it's broken (that would be like saying, "if your lircd.conf is missing a button") |
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| [22:59:00] | sphery: | now if you're saying if it sends something that doesn't trigger an action in the place you want it to, you /still/ go into Edit Keys and remap it internally in mythtv |
| [22:59:06] | sphery: | you don't need to edit lircrc |
| [22:59:12] | sphery: | it's just sending an action name |
| [22:59:28] | sphery: | just like if we're using lircd.conf, it's sending a button name |
| [22:59:34] | sphery: | either is just a name to mythtv |
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