Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 19th, 2012, 00:01 UTC

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: if i wanted backup in a different physical location, i would put together a server out of old parts, put it at a relatives house or some co-loc facility, and set up scripts to periodically throw incremental snapshots at it

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stuartm:

but having just bought a 'little NAS box' I certainly wouldn't say they were for everyone, they are underpowered and expensive for what they offer

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wagnerrp:

i see the 'little NAS box' as something for the person who doesnt know (or doesnt care to know) how to do better

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mersault:

wagnerrp: only the the nas boxes have going for them is power consumption

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mersault:

only thing, rather

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kormoc:

depends on the nas

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ertyu:

a modern system can idle down to similar power levels

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mersault:

but that can be important to some people.

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stuartm:

or who doesn't a) have access to lots of old parts b) relatives c) inexpensive co-loc options d) all of the above

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wagnerrp:

and when you consider thats a difference of about 10–20W off of a modern system

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mersault:

"put together a system out of old parts" != modern, usually

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wagnerrp:

plus 5–10W per drive

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stuartm:

ertyu: not a chance

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kormoc:

I'm shooting for a nas to be able to ditch my desktop

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kormoc:

it's better in the long run

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kormoc:

but really, the nas is really just a computer in a special case at that point

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ertyu:

stuartm, my desktop idles ~60W, my atom based nas does 44W

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: it depends on the CPU

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wagnerrp:

a modern i3 might drop down to 15–20W consumption on idle

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wagnerrp:

meaning 30–35W for the whole system, if youre using integrated video

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** tgm4883 has a NAS box **

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wagnerrp:

when you consider old Atom NASs were using a CPU that basically drew 4W all the time, and a chipset that ran up to 20W

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wagnerrp:

the difference isnt that great

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stuartm:

well you're probably right, although I'm still going to stick a meter on my arm based NAS tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

an ARM NAS, or an Atom NAS with a decent chipset

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wagnerrp:

its going to be more

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tgm4883:

It's quiet, has low power consumption, and 2 HD's for failover

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wagnerrp:

but those 8 drives are still going to consume more than either system when spun up

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tgm4883:

it's a SPARC CPU though

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know SPARCs got used for that

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AndyCap:

Well, I bought a NAS because it was a little linux server in a small box. :P

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kormoc:

my future has will use 70W access, 30W idle, +HDD power usage

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were primarily MIPS and ARM, and more recently Atom

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AndyCap:

got root, ssh, rsync, package repo, I'm set. :P

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stuartm:

either way, I still stand by the decision to buy it, I don't have basements or large cupboards to hide a full chassis in where it can't be seen or heard, so the 'little NAS box' is the superior choice

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I haven't actually checked if it's a SPARC processor, but all the addon's they have are labeled for SPARC

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wagnerrp:

if i had to do it again, i wouldnt buy that big honking case ive got either

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tgm4883:

it runs debian, so I could ssh in and check when I get home

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kormoc:

stuartm, which one did you get?

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AndyCap:

but I think the per-port prices on the nas boxes are insane. :P

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wagnerrp:

im actually planning on replacing it with something built into a wall-mounted utility cabinet

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tgm4883:

the only issue I have with it is I need more space since I went to bluray

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wagnerrp:

something on the order of 6" thick, 2' wide, 4' tall

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stuartm:

kormoc: D-Link DNS-320 – absolutely basic model, but it serves the purpose, not fast but it doesn't have to be since I'm using it for archiving (and backup) not recording

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wagnerrp:

mount it on the wall, stick a full PC in there, with a fold out tray for hard drives, all my switches, patch panel, etc...

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stuartm:

on the plus side it's pretty enough to sit on a shelf in full view

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wagnerrp:

open the top and bottom, line it with a filter, and cramp the bottom with large, low rpm fans

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tgm4883:

stuartm, I looked at the model that was previous to that one, but went with this instead http://www.readynas.com/?cat=3

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wagnerrp:

let the convection do most of the work

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kormoc:

I'm shooting for a Synology ds1511+ http://bit.ly/yi09Hx

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Beirdo:

OK, on Monday, I should have 40Mbit down, 20MBit up

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stuartm:

believe me if I had a basement, or anywhere I could hide a full size case then I would have gone that route instead

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Beirdo:

and get this... cheaper than I'm paying for 7Mbit/840kbit now

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kormoc:

Beirdo, via?

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Beirdo:

better internet... $20/month cheaper in total

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: no utility closet?

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Beirdo:

CenturyLink

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kormoc:

hrmpf

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wagnerrp:

where do you have things like your circuit panel?

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stuartm:

kormoc: yeah, that nice, definitely more towards the non-consumer end of the market though

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kormoc:

They really don't like my building

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Beirdo:

Ain't got much choice in this building

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, some of us live in apartments :)

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Beirdo:

ah, yeah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, my utility closet is thiner then the door that encloses it

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** ertyu has computers stashed all over his apartmenet **

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Beirdo:

now I need to smack DirecTV around see if I can't knock another $20/month or so down

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wagnerrp:

i suppose these are things i "just dont understand", living in the 'burbs

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: nope, the circuit breakers etc are in a cabinet above the kitchen door, barely big enough to contain them let alone something else

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stuartm:

Beirdo: nice, my downstream is being doubled in June at no cost, but that's still only 20Mbit and the upstream isn't even worth mentioning :(

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stuartm:

of course I could have 120Mbit from the same provider, but I'm happy enough with 10Mbit – I download the odd linux iso and that's about it :)

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LTHorn:

hello all

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I like the faster speeds :)

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Beirdo:

about 7 times the speed down... and 20 times up

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Beirdo:

for cheaper.

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Beirdo:

fun

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stuartm:

tgm4883: I was tossing up between the Netgear and the D-Link, I forget what it was now but something I read in a review put me off the Netgear

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tgm4883:

I like it, that is, after I upgraded the RAM in it

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tgm4883:

it was a bit slow with juts 256MB

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stuartm:

Beirdo: right, if it's cheaper then why not?

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Beirdo:

that's what I figued :)

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stuartm:

the only thing which bothers me so far is the lack of a rear USB port – it can be used as a print server which might actually have been useful, but who wants a cable permanently sticking out the front? I suspect that's a deliberate design choice though, aimed at pushing people to buy the next model up at twice the price

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stuartm:

I would have considered relocating the printer to sit with the NAS downstairs, since it would be more convenient when printing from the laptop/netbook/other

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wagnerrp:

last time my parents replaced their printer, i made sure they got one with an ethernet jack for specifically that purpose

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm

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stuartm:

my next printer will be networkable, but I've no plans to buy a new one until the current one has died or I can no longer buy compatible toner cartridges

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wagnerrp:

their previous one just... stopped doing anything

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wagnerrp:

it would say everything was fine, everything printed

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wagnerrp:

but... it didnt

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stuartm:

I've had that issue with this printer lots of times, but in every case it's been some new bug in the software stack, at times it's been bad enough to make me shy about installing updates

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wagnerrp:

i tried it on multiple computers, windows and linux

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wagnerrp:

same behavior

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wagnerrp:

it was just dysfunctional

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kisak:

stuartm: there is that GT 240 on newegg for $27 after rebate

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wagnerrp:

there is the slight issue of him living in the UK

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wagnerrp:

:)

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kisak:

oh

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kisak:

I missed that part

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sphery:

"Starring Joshua Jackson"... Shouldn't that be "The Ghost of Joshua Jackson"?

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sphery:

(just starting this season's Fringe--having all but one episode on the HDD that failed made me realize that I maybe shouldn't save it too long)

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sphery:

kisak: hehe, but now I'm considering that GT240

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: well that and the fact that I'm not the one looking for a card

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sphery:

hehe, maybe he meant it for me, then

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sphery:

I had just assumed someone else was asking about one while I was eating dinner

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kisak:

I skimmed the backlog and it looked like you were looking the hardest stuartm

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sphery:

yeah, probably just the conversation where people were helping me with info on various vdpau graphics cards

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** iamlindoro wonders when all these random people are going to get "you must scan the content with MythVideo for it to parse metadata properly, duh" **

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iamlindoro:

Where with MythVideo means "in a version newer than .21"

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wagnerrp:

why would anyone run anything other than 0.18?

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iamlindoro:

Every one of the most recent MythVideo queries amounts to a) Using file browse mode, b) adding content in an ancient version or with a third party tool, c) trying to mix local and SG content, or d) any 2+ of the former

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iamlindoro:

But what do I know, after all, I disemboweled my plugin and left a mess all over core MythTV, creating tons of bugs

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iamlindoro:

I read that somewhere

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wagnerrp:

you had bugs living in your bowels?

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iamlindoro:

We all do

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wagnerrp:

i may have bacteria, and the occasional parasite, but id hate to think a full bug made it through there intact

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iamlindoro:

I wonder how much artwork I have in myt warious SGs for content I've never seen, just to test filenames

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iamlindoro:

er my various

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DrivenMad:

I was curious, how well does the mythtv support devices for transcodeing?? like tablets and such. I am gutting my freenas server and going with a full ubuntu based system to be able to do more with it. Thanks for any imput ! :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can clip mpeg2 into more mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

and it can transcode into a nuppelvideo file that nothing can play

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wagnerrp:

everything else needs an external utility

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kisak:

nothing else can play?

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wagnerrp:

mplayer and VLC can struggle through them

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iamlindoro:

That no device can play, correct

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wagnerrp:

but no one else uses that format

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wagnerrp:

no one else should use that format (including us for that matter)

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iamlindoro:

No tablet, no uPnP players, no hardware player of any kind

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DrivenMad:

ok cool :) i have mkv, avi files mainly .. i run vlc on my pcs and on the tablet, I just wnat to make a good choice on the server end :)

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wagnerrp:

0.25 should have considerably better support

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kisak:

ah, well, there's no reason for hardware developers to go for a fraction of a percent

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wagnerrp:

if someone puts together the necessary glue to get the html5 player running

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wagnerrp:

the backend is there, it just needs an interface

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DrivenMad:

i really liked how tversity would detect diffrent devices, would love to have that ability. I am totally down with twaeking and porting plugins if needed :)

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wagnerrp:

DrivenMad: the sad thing is that tversity _had_ to do that

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wagnerrp:

because UPNP is not UPNP

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DrivenMad:

hehehe i hear ya on that :)

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DrivenMad:

how does mythtv handle devices?? does it try to detect?

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wagnerrp:

there is some special behavior for windows media player

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wagnerrp:

but thats about it

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wagnerrp:

and thats only because WMP decides to do its own stupid thing and merge everything into a flat list

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DrivenMad:

I want to find out if it does a good job of bandwidth management for different devices.. i.e secure vpn tunnel streaming to a diffrent site. trying to create a good backup plan in case the stupid sopa crap accually makes it through :)

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wagnerrp:

theyve both been canned

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing illegal with recording television, and there will remain being nothing illegal with recording television

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wagnerrp:

SOPA, PIP or otherwise

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DrivenMad:

true

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wagnerrp:

as far as DVD and Bluray backups, that has yet to be tested in court

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt been tested, and it will never be tested, because they would lose

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DrivenMad:

its also about hosting a file to be served out on the open internet.. they are goiong to get supper stuipid about it for sure

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wagnerrp:

and cause severe harm to the power of the DMCA

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wagnerrp:

dont put mythweb out on the internet

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wagnerrp:

people will find it and tinker

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DrivenMad:

interesting , i dident think about it that wasy :) awesome :)

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, just enable digest authentication on apache

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DrivenMad:

not on the open web.. trough vpn tunnel on the web

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wagnerrp:

if place shifting were illegal, slingbox would not exist

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wagnerrp:

now sharing your slingbox for other people to use... they will go after you for that

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wagnerrp:

(and they have in the past)

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Oleg_:

SOPA and PIP shouldn't become laws

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Oleg_:

or PIPA

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kisak:

I just discovered the PCIe varient of the HD-PVR, happen to know if linux has support for it?

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kisak:

I assume there isn't

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wagnerrp:

no linux support, very little possibility of linux support ever

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kisak:

and here I was getting myself excited

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lwizardl:

would there be a way to sort movies on a mythbox by say director etc ? would I have to have set xml files or something

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wagnerrp:

kisak: the HDPVR had a chipset that had to be reverse engineered from the windows driver

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wagnerrp:

being USB, it was not all that difficult to figure out the handshaking and commands (as far as reverse engineering goes)

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wagnerrp:

trying to do the same thing with a PCIe device is decidedly more difficult

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lwizardl:

kisak, from their own website. Can I use the Colossus with Linux? At this time, there is no Linux support for Colossus.

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wagnerrp:

the chipset manufacturer has no intention of supporting linux, and all of the hauppauge people are stuck behind NDAs and cannot be of help

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: m --> browse by --> director

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lwizardl:

wagnerrp, awesome and that will work for videos not recorded by the mythbox also ?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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kisak:

that's fairly sad considering how much of their products are prefered by the linux community

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lwizardl:

wagnerrp, example my replaytv dvr, etc

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: that above is for mythvideo, meaning all content not recorded by mythtv

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lwizardl:

awesome thanks again

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iamlindoro:

kisak: They have no choice in the matter, they buy the SoC in the device from another manufacturer who doesn't want to support linux

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: there is goes again, arbitrarily altering metadata

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wagnerrp:

tsk tsk..

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I really need to remove MythVideo::BackgroundCorruptLibraryThread

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im actually curious as to why all these people would even be suddenly popping up with jamu problems

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lwizardl:

okay back to my video encoding

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wagnerrp:

people have been using it for years, and now that its deprecated and removed, suddenly everything goes wrong?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It's always done these things... what is most confusing is how the guy with all the logs appears to be using master

[02:45:33]

iamlindoro:

and trying to use Jamu

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iamlindoro:

which will *definitely* break things

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iamlindoro:

on both the recording and video side

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skd5aner:

release master, that'll fix it!

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wagnerrp:

thats what she said

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sphery:

wagnerrp: shouldn't you tell the guy on list that support for ivtv|analog tuners was dropped... pretty sure that's what I read on -users

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sphery:

(for any who are reading, support wasn't dropped for them... above is a bad joke)

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sphery:

seems gossamer is down

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sphery:

gonna need to find some new spiders to create more spin all those threads

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wagnerrp:

sphery: analog scanning should be working in 0.24, right?

[03:00:07]

sphery:

TTBOMK, yes

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sphery:

not that I've tried--or could try

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sphery:

as I'm assuming that a failing scanner would have the exact same results as a good scanner on my system--since I have no analog channels

[03:02:31]

sphery:

that said, we do have several tickets like: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10260

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: even as of 0.23 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23

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wagnerrp:

one ticket

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sphery:

but I'm pretty sure that's misconfig or something

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wagnerrp:

thats the only open one i could find

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** skd5aner loves me those release notes **

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sphery:

hehe, of course the "what about us non-US people"--even after you said scanning works

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wagnerrp:

i almost said it was moot because he lived in NA... but at the last moment, i decided to remove it

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sphery:

I picked up on his living in NA when he said he lived in MO

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wagnerrp:

i figured everyone else would have too

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sphery:

of course, I did read the messages--his /and/ yours--which I'm sure some other(s) didn't :)

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wagnerrp:

foolish me

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sphery:

that said, I've missed plenty in messages before, so I understand how one could miss something like that

[03:16:00]

sphery:

anyway, your response was perfect

[03:16:42]

sphery:

short (and, therefore, likely to be read) and points out the answer in your first answer

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k-man:

anyone here use a pedometer?

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k-man:

oops wrong channel, sorry

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wagnerrp:

to... measure attraction to children?

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[R]:

LOL

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likwid--_:

dateeline comes on at 10.

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[R]:

maybe its a pedobear alarm?

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[R]:

cuz hes a threat to children

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iamlindoro:

pfft, pedometer... travel is measured in 140.6 mile increments, pansies

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iamlindoro:

Hahahaha: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=140.6

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wagnerrp:

the pedometer would only register 26.2 miles of that

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iamlindoro:

and transitions

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dewman:

is there a way to search the mailing list since gossamer seems to be down atm?

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wagnerrp:

transitions? you mean you dont launch out of the water and land on your bike like some demented porpoise?

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iamlindoro:

not for lack of trying

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[R]:

wagnerrp: wtf...

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

cant you imagine hundreds of triathletes picking up speed at the end of the swim, so they can jump 100ft across the ramp to land on their bikes like some kind of show animal?

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[R]:

HAHA

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wagnerrp:

a foot down adds 30 minutes, and face planting on the pavement disqualifies you

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ertyu:

how is the va-api support? I've got a small ati card sitting here already if I don't need an nvidia one

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wagnerrp:

experimental, and from what i understand, only really functional on intel and nvidia hardware

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ertyu:

ah, the wiki sounded more positive about it

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wagnerrp:

the wiki entry is four sentences

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

and a box that says "there is no data here, expand me"

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miststlkr:

I just finally upgraded to .25 and when I tried to install a new theme in the theme picker the program freezes on the "downloading theme" screen. I tried using the theme picker's "remove theme" option which worked fine but now I can't load any but Terra without the freeze. Suggestions?

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miststlkr:

frontend.log seems to think that no other theme has a themeinfo file

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miststlkr:

do questions about .25 belong here or in -dev?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether they are user support, or development related

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miststlkr:

support

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wagnerrp:

then here

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miststlkr:

I just got around to upgrading and the theme picker freezes on "downloading theme" each time

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miststlkr:

the frontend.log seems to indicate that none of the themes have a themeinfo.xml file. at least, that is what I get from them

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: have PIPA and SOPA been canned? I thought your politicians learnt from ours and put them on ice, just to try again next month under a new name until something else makes the headlines and they can finally pass more or less unnoticed (and unchanged)...

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wagnerrp:

i think theyre gone in name

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wagnerrp:

only to resurface later, with perhaps slightly less offensive wording

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wagnerrp:

in the premise that "its not as bad as...."

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dekarl:

aye

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dekarl:

But then PIPA wasn't that bad, didnt it allow to shutdown any site with false claims without any penalty? Would have been funny to shut down half the internet in a PIPA DDOS :D (thats the part that didnt make the news over here. they've all been praising the "necessary" fight against piracy)

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wagnerrp:

heres what i dont understand

[08:10:24]

wagnerrp:

if you own a patent, its up to YOU to police your patent, and its up to YOU to bring anyone to court who is violating it

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wagnerrp:

how is it that copyright is everyone else's duty to police it for you?

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dekarl:

but you give your patents to enforcement service agencies (aka license pools, etc) to monetize them, too

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wagnerrp:

in which case the pool enforces it, the pool is still you

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dekarl:

where doe anyone else police your copyrights?

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dekarl:

s/doe/does/

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wagnerrp:

when they try to enact laws that would shut down sites and services that would inadvertently aid violation

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wagnerrp:

effectively meaning, if you are not actively protecting their content, then you are in violation just the same

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dekarl:

Ahh, meaning you give up ownership when you don't police which in turn means you are using your content without license because they are orphaned works?

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wagnerrp:

im saying, lets say you own a plot of land, open to the public

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wagnerrp:

someone commits a crime on your land

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wagnerrp:

im saying all this copyright reform is trying to make you guilty for the crime that someone else committed on your land

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wagnerrp:

because you were supposed to be policing it, and prevent it from happening

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dekarl:

ahh ok, thats yet another aspect of it (didnt notice that one)

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wagnerrp:

those arent your laws, they arent your duty to uphold

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wagnerrp:

the analog to this, take youtube

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wagnerrp:

youtube lets anyone upload anything (for the most part)

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wagnerrp:

they just provide free storage

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wagnerrp:

is it google's duty to ensure there is never any copyrighted content on youtube?

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dekarl:

apparently its their duty to ensure there is no unlicensed copyrighted content by putting adequate effort into avoiding it. The risk of false positives is on the users :(

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dekarl:

We had similar rulings over here where providers have been ordered to implement technical measures with the only incentive given to err towards removing to much (last part IIRC).

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wagnerrp:

but who determines adequate effort?

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dekarl:

in our case a judge

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wagnerrp:

i mean sure, the standard physical interpretation simply isnt tenable, due to how easily things can be duplicated on computers, and the internet

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wagnerrp:

the problem of having the owner police that content is simply unrealistic

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, that burden is unrealistic for anyone to bear

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wagnerrp:

the only way to prevent it from happening is to just shut the whole thing down

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wagnerrp:

which is what would happen if you shift the burden onto these websites that allow user edited content

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dekarl:

thats exactly what almost happened over here with the web forum cases. the burden was about to be shifted to forum operators...

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Seeker`:

wasn't (part of) the problem with the acts that if any copyrighted content ever got through, it wasn't deemed "adequate effort"

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kormoc:

Yup

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kormoc:

We should shut it all down. Go out and about. Chop down some trees. Farm some food. So simple

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dekarl:

got to leave for work. But on the positive side, got the guide backend far enough to rewrite our (nonametv) xmltv grabbers for 100% autoconfig. http://xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org/xmltv/datalist2.xml.gz next stop changing the grabber interface contract

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wagnerrp:

it all comes down to the fact that a reasonable, workable solution is something that can only be produced from within the industry

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wagnerrp:

by people who understand the intricate workings of computers, and data analysis, and such things

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wagnerrp:

not congress

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wagnerrp:

politicians have shown time and time again they have no expertise in any sort of technical field

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wagnerrp:

so any time they start to make laws regarding technical fields, they just botch the whole thing up

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: over here laws are written by the industry (via sponsored consulting/lobby people), free of charge.

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dekarl:

politicians only sign them

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wagnerrp:

so how does all that deep packet inspection nonsense keep getting through?

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wagnerrp:

surely anyone sane would realize the difficulty for regional ISPs to deal with intensive analysis and storage of tens of gbps of data

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dekarl:

thats the german way, make illegal (and illogical) laws and wait until the Federal Constitutional Court collects them for violation of fundamental law :)

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wagnerrp:

arent you people supposed to be logical to a fault?

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dekarl:

I hope they don't blink and miss pulling an illegal law some time

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wagnerrp:

the cold methodical german?

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dekarl:

ahh, thats our politicians... they are above normal :D

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dekarl:

I think we cant't even vote at the moment due to the voting law allowing for negative weights (voting party A gives more power to party B in some cases) (we got a patched up voting law in 2011 but its before court atm and likely to be declared as violating fundamental law, again)

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Roklobsta:

is there any way to post a message onto the screen of mythfrontend like using telnet to some port?

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dekarl-too:

Roklobsta: on master there is mythmessage and on fixes there is mythtvosd (according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25#mythmessage )

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slacker-:

hi, I'm migrating my backend to a new machine. what's the best way to move the recordings/database across?

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miststlkr:

slacker – I think this is what you are looking for: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file

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slacker-:

ic. just a mysqldump, eh

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slacker-:

thanks for that link anyway

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Roklobsta:

oh nice: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Little_Gems#mythtvosd

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slacker-:

what are you going to use it for?

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slacker-:

is there a 0.24.1 ppa or is that included in the 0.24?

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stuartm:

slacker-: there is a 0.24.2pre ppa

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slacker-:

i'm a fan of stable :}

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stuartm:

it is the stable branch, it's just that there isn't an official 0.24.2 release yet – anything with a minor version number is just the last stable release plus backported fixes

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dekarl-too:

slacker: consider it 0.24.1-fixes instead of 0.24.2-preview ;)

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slacker-:

where do I find it?

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slacker-:

I might want to change over to it *after* the migration

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stuartm:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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slacker-:

oh..

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slacker-:

interesting. the only file that it wants to update after installing mythbuntu-repos is mythbuntu-repos

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dekarl-too:

did you enable the PPA via the mythbuntu-control-center?

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slacker-:

no, I did wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb and dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb

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dekarl-too:

slacker-: did it ask about what repo you would like? > sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos

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dekarl-too:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4 has a FAQ on not being asked about which repo you want

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slacker-:

dekarl-too: it did. I chose 0.24.x for now

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dekarl-too:

strange, you already have mythtv packets install, ran apt-get update and upgrade?

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slacker-:

I did

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slacker-:

it's all good. gotta go now.

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slacker-:

thanks for your help

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georgepoulson:

Hi.. I'm having a problem using phpmyadmin with myth

[16:31:48]

georgepoulson:

I have a stable myth system.. all working well. I've just installed phpmyadmin but it doesnt see my myth database at all ???

[16:33:43]

georgepoulson:

From what I've read it should just list 'mythconverg' in the list of databases available?

[16:33:47]

georgepoulson:

Anyone?

[16:35:09]

wagnerrp:

real men dont use PMA

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georgepoulson:

:)

[16:35:40]

georgepoulson:

Who says I'm a real man? ;)

[16:36:20]

georgepoulson:

I have used mysql syntax to do some tidying of my database but I just fancied having a look around

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wagnerrp:

so its Georgia then?

[16:37:48]

georgepoulson:

Could be .. who's to say? ;)

[16:39:30]

wagnerrp:

either youre using the wrong database name, or the wrong database server

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georgepoulson:

Good thought.. I only have one MySQL server (on my myth backend, obviously) and that's where I've just installed PMA

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georgepoulson:

I was expecting it to show mythconverg in the list of databases, but....

[16:43:43]

georgepoulson:

I can only guess that it's to do with permissions on the mythconverg database

[16:44:04]

wagnerrp:

default permissions are wide open for mythtv:mythtv

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georgepoulson:

OK, thanks for that .. I'll go back and have another look

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georgepoulson:

How about a more myth-specific question? :)

[16:45:16]

sphery:

"tidying of the database"...

[16:45:34]

sphery:

what kind of tidying do you need to do, for which there are no tools/UI?

[16:45:57]

wagnerrp:

the bad kind

[16:46:00]

sphery:

especially since MythTV automatically cleans up all the database stuff on its own

[16:47:18]

georgepoulson:

I use DVB-S in the UK and I have some channels which are showing errm .. "odd" information and that I can't delete using mythweb .. they disappeared at first but then came back again later

[16:47:43]

georgepoulson:

Some SQL statements finally saw them off today

[16:47:59]

wagnerrp:

and the channel editor in mythtv-setup didnt?

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sphery:

we really need to kill the mythweb channel editor and have it use the backend setup one

[16:48:44]

georgepoulson:

The channel number and callsign were blank

[16:50:21]

georgepoulson:

I used some SQL as suggested in HOWTO-23.8

[16:50:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, another out-of-date entry in the official howto

[16:51:07]

georgepoulson:

:-s

[16:51:19]

sphery:

anyway, that channel will likely come back--just like before

[16:51:35]

sphery:

what you really need to do is mark the channel as not visibile using the channel editor

[16:51:47]

georgepoulson:

Anyway, that one is sorted for now, but I do find all the DVB-S channel scanning stuff is a bit of a minefield

[16:52:17]

sphery:

well, why not just create a new tool to do scanning

[16:52:24]

sphery:

that seems the be the approach everyone else wants to do

[16:52:26]

georgepoulson:

OK- I had them marked as invisible but just thought I would try to get rid once and for all

[16:52:32]

sphery:

after all, why fix the real tool when you can create a new one

[16:54:13]

georgepoulson:

Don't get me wrong.. it works, but sorting out the 20 or so channels that you want from the many many hundreds that you don't ...

[16:54:52]

georgepoulson:

Anyway.. maybe I can beg your indulgence on the master/slave backend question

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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georgepoulson:

I have a master backend with 2x DVB-S cards.. all working fine. I have built a second slave backend with a dual DVB-S card. Both share the same XMLTV grabber channel source (UK Radio Times).

[16:56:55]

wagnerrp:

only the master ever downloads guide data

[16:57:19]

georgepoulson:

For reasons that I dont want to discuss here I need to have some channels only tune on the master backend, whereas other channels can be received on any input.

[16:57:32]

wagnerrp:

further, unless youve run out of physical space for tuners and/or hard drives, there is not much use to spreading the tuners between two backends

[16:57:53]

wagnerrp:

all tuners mapped to a source must be able to tune all channels on that source

[16:57:58]

georgepoulson:

No more space for PCI cards in the master backend

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wagnerrp:

if for whatever reason they cannot, they must be on different sources

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georgepoulson:

Ah, OK

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georgepoulson:

So I would need 2 separate video sources setting up, and define the subset of channels on one, with all channels on the other

[16:59:33]

wagnerrp:

yes

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georgepoulson:

OK.. and I can define 2 sources, both using the same "system" (XMLTV), but containing different sets of channel information?

[17:00:54]

sphery:

physical or electrical space :)

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wagnerrp:

electrical?

[17:01:54]

wagnerrp:

if you run out of "electrical space", just go buy a bigger friggen power supply

[17:02:36]

sphery:

georgepoulson: the point is that it's not an "XMLTV grabber channel source"... A MythTV Video Source is a list of all channels that can be tuned by all connected inputs and their tuning information... If different inputs can tune different channels, you necessarily need 2 MythTV Video Sources. Note that both can still use the same XMLTV listings source

[17:02:52]

georgepoulson:

My backend is relatively old hardware with only PCI slots and I have two Hauppauge DVB-S cards in there. I guess ultimately I just need to get the cash together to build a more capable backend, but aafter I lost my job last year it aint easy :-s

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wagnerrp:

its almost always cheaper to run one system than two, unless you have mythtv set up to sleep the slave when not in use

[17:04:41]

sphery:

Yeah, bigger PSU would work, but I just don't want a backend idling at 80W on a 600W or 800W PSU just so it can run 6 tuners at once when necessary

[17:05:07]

georgepoulson:

Yeah, true. Anyway many thanks for the help guys.. very much appreciated

[17:05:09]

wagnerrp:

WTF kind of tuners are you talking about that might want a 600W PSU?

[17:05:25]

wagnerrp:

one tuner _might_ want like 10–15W

[17:05:33]

sphery:

of course, since I don't generally shut down the remote backend, I'm probably still wasting more electricity than an inefficient PSU

[17:05:42]

sphery:

right, but a 600W PSU doesn't provide 600W

[17:05:54]

sphery:

it's broken down into certain amounts on individual voltages

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sphery:

and I couldn't run 3x (or 4x) pcHDTV HD-3000 on any 400–430W PSU I tried because it would draw too much on the ... 5V, IIRC

[17:06:45]

sphery:

(PCI cards... I think they're old 5V ones)

[17:07:22]

sphery:

anyway, main reason I have 2 is for the HDDs

[17:07:28]

sphery:

space and SATA connections

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wagnerrp:

according to spec, PCIe is limited to 25W, or 10W if theyre low profile

[17:08:38]

wagnerrp:

and the bus is only rated for 3A at 3.3V

[17:08:49]

sphery:

pcie can draw 75w--that's why video cards often draw 70 or so (so they don't need the extra PCIe power connector or molex connector)

[17:08:57]

sphery:

but mine are PCI, not PCIe

[17:08:59]

stuartm:

of course they'll then dump half that as heat :(

[17:09:15]

sphery:

and, regardless, I can't get an AMD mobo with 4xPCI, anyway

[17:09:46]

wagnerrp:

PEG cards are allowed to go up to 75W, after initializing at 25W

[17:10:20]

sphery:

and, now I have 4xPCI + 1xPCIe (added an HVR-2250)--and I'm sure I can't find any mobo with that

[17:10:30]

sphery:

so, I'm still limited by physical space

[17:12:04]

sphery:

and, FWIW, my Antec Earthwatt EA-430 80 PLUS PSU does 20A max on 5V

[17:12:32]

sphery:

It's a newer PSU than the one I actually tested with, but it shows you're not going to get 430W on 5V :)

[17:13:09]

sphery:

(though that sounds like it /should/ be enough, but I have no idea what the HD-3000's pull)

[17:13:34]

sphery:

wagnerrp: anyway, what do you think of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Remov . . . ted_channels (compared to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.8 )?

[17:14:15]

sphery:

stuartm: I'm working fast to try to get the testing done that I need to do to include the initial db creation fix for new mysql/Qt in 0.24 today... what time were you thinking of doing the 0.24.2 cut

[17:14:52]

sphery:

stuartm: and, FWIW, I'm going to figure out how to do a new HOWTO and see if we can get it posted since there's a lot of broken stuff in the current (including references to getting source from SVN)

[17:15:16]

wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

[17:15:44]

sphery:

think the update I made is good or do you have suggestions for it?

[17:16:09]

sphery:

If good, I'm going to push it to 0.24-fixes howto (along with SVN->git changes)

[17:16:25]

wagnerrp:

looks fine to me

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sphery:

thx

[17:16:48]

georgepoulson:

wagnerrp: the wiki entry on removing unwanted channels is much easier to understand

[17:17:02]

sphery:

just wanted a 2nd opinion before pushing it

[17:17:33]

wagnerrp:

georgepoulson: its the same exact text, except that block at the bottom about modifying the database is replaced with instructions for mythtv-setup

[17:18:06]

wagnerrp:

the wiki entry was copied verbatim from the documentation about 9 months ago

[17:18:20]

sphery:

yeah, I think he was giving me a 3rd opinion--but got the nick wrong :)

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georgepoulson:

Not sure about the instruction for removing the xmltv entry though.. my system uses syntax like "

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georgepoulson:

channel=news.bbc.co.uk" or "channel!news.bbc.co.uk"

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stuartm:

sphery: I can postpone it a day or two, it's not that important I just figured it was overdue, especially since as skd5aner points out in the release notes there have been over a hundred commits since the release of 0.24.1

[17:22:27]

sphery:

dekarl-too: ^^^ does what georgepoulson mentioned need fixing in our HOWTO's "how to remove unwanted channels" from XMLTV stuff?

[17:22:38]

sphery:

dekarl-too: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.8

[17:23:09]

sphery:

stuartm: ok, I'll still try to get it as soon as possible... just wanted to do some version testing with different mysql/qt

[17:23:23]

stuartm:

sphery: in fact I'd be happier to leave it until the weekend, give people more time to think about anything they had planned to backport

[17:23:35]

sphery:

hehe, that may be a good thing

[17:23:46]

sphery:

but if nothing else, I appreciate the motivation to get this done

[17:24:11]

sphery:

just thought that should really be in the next point release since it's required for newer qt/mysql

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dekarl-too:

sphery, I hope we can fix that by finally switching mythtv to apiconfig... Until then its manual editing of the xmltv config. But I don't know what die channel deleting stuff is about.. jus tick them as hidden and thats it. Hoping a rescan will not untick it :D

[17:27:20]

dekarl-too:

s/die/does/

[17:27:41]

dekarl-too:

hmm, wrong too. s/(?:die|does)// :)

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** dekarl-too makes a mental note to order a fresh keyboard sometime **

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stuartm:

and we're waiting on switching to the http setup before implementing apiconfig (no point writing it for the old setup UI)

[17:30:47]

dekarl-too:

stuarm: I know, but http setup looks quite nice already and with the backend ready I can look at the api changes needed on xmltv side and extend my own grabber :)

[17:31:47]

dekarl-too:

backend refering to the nonametv backend providing more data http://xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org/xmltv/datalist2.xml.gz

[17:31:50]

sphery:

dekarl-too: yeah, I fixed the db editing part ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Remov . . . ted_channels )... just wondered if it's "inserting the word "not " (including the space) in front of the unwanted entry" or doing "channel!news.bbc.co.uk"

[17:32:23]

dekarl-too:

sphery: that's up to each grabber :( one common solution is replacing ! with = and vice versa

[17:32:25]

sphery:

and, suggestions welcome on the mythtv setup stuff

[17:32:47]

sphery:

so changing = to ! should work for any of them? or just a bunch of them?

[17:33:55]

dekarl-too:

yes

[17:34:06]

dekarl-too:

stuartm I have not forgotten about http://old.nabble.com/API-Config-Documentation-td22329594.html

[17:36:20]

dekarl-too:

sphery, I'm looking at the test.conf at http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv/xmltv/grab/ for the format and see ...

[17:36:27]

stuartm:

dekarl-too: good to know

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wagnerrp:

sphery: was it digital nirvana that contracted the ASI stuff?

[17:38:44]

sphery:

dekarl-too: how's this look? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Remov . . . ted_channels

[17:39:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: don't remember

[17:39:19]

sphery:

don't even remember what ASI is :)

[17:39:37]

wagnerrp:

professional MPEG-based interconnect

[17:39:42]

sphery:

ahhh

[17:39:56]

sphery:

I will say that I've heard the name digital nirvana somewhere--and may have been for that

[17:40:09]

wagnerrp:

digital nirvana did mythccextract

[17:40:14]

dekarl-too:

_ch_search, _es_miguiatv, _fi, _huro, _is, _uk_rt uses commenting out with # while _il, _pt_meo and the 5 NonameTV instances use = / !

[17:40:20]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know if they wanted the ASI stuff as well

[17:40:44]

sphery:

dekarl-too: hehe, ok... guess I'll put it back and just mention the new way as an "or"

[17:41:11]

sphery:

dekarl-too: can you give me an example of the before/after for the not one

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sphery:

if not, no big deal

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sphery:

is it just a "not channel=<something>"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: perhaps i should have told you i was writing up a large response to that one

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dekarl-too:

sphery, can't find a reference for the "not " prefix, guess it got changed to "# " sometime ago

[17:48:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, well I didn't spend much time on mine :)

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sphery:

dekarl-too: ok... so #<space> (or is it just the # that's important)... would be "# channel=<something>"?

[17:50:01]

dekarl-too:

sphery: without looking I'd say the space comes from the pretty printer in the config writing sub

[17:50:19]

sphery:

ok

[17:50:45]

georgepoulson:

Sorry I can only comment on the uk_rt grabber conf.

[17:53:05]

dekarl-too:

georgepoulson: no worries, we have more differences then just the way of say "enabled / disabled" in the configuration files... After all you are not supposed to fiddle with them

[17:54:04]

sphery:

dekarl-too: what about just saying to run mythtv-setup --<whatever the xmltv users do for first config>

[17:54:19]

sphery:

that way they're not fiddling with them?

[17:55:05]

dekarl-too:

na, thats even worse then fiddling :D

[17:55:09]

sphery:

hehe

[17:55:24]

dekarl-too:

atm there is no elegant solution ready

[17:56:44]

dekarl-too:

lets just say that you can tell that most devs are using SD by simply setting up a DVB system with XMLTV, but we'll catch up sooner or later

[17:57:59]

sphery:

SD doesn't do much for us, now... It only really helps for analog

[17:58:31]

sphery:

with digital, you still have to scan and a lot of channels will transmit different callsign data from what SD uses, so you're still manually mapping xmltvids using channel editor

[17:59:11]

sphery:

only real benefit is that mythfilldatabase never adds a digital channel to the database for scannable digital capture sources

[17:59:25]

sphery:

but stuartm was planning to add similar capability for xmltv users

[18:00:13]

sphery:

(and by this I mean we need to fix the whole process for everyone)

[18:00:26]

sphery:

and, ideally, by fixing our tools and not using external tools to do so

[18:00:40]

sphery:

dekarl-too: anyway, does this look ok? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Remov . . . ted_channels

[18:01:01]

sphery:

(other than the change comment which I forgot to update :)

[18:01:39]

georgepoulson:

That looks fine to me :)

[18:01:46]

sphery:

thanks

[18:02:14]

dekarl-too:

looks fine, just need to check if "will be left not visible" is true :)

[18:02:57]

sphery:

well, as that's the eventual plan, I'll leave it

[18:03:06]

sphery:

if it doesn't work, maybe someone who cares will fix it :)

[18:03:16]

dekarl-too:

thinking of http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8324

[18:04:49]

sphery:

yes, I realize that's there... but someone who cares needs to fix it :)

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** iamlindoro shakes his head at those buying Poweredge servers and XServe fiber channel RAID for home **

[18:09:11]

wagnerrp:

?

[18:09:28]

iamlindoro:

[mythtv-users] OT: SMB performance?

[18:09:37]

dekarl-too:

But it has fruit on the case :)

[18:09:40]

wagnerrp:

i didnt event realize apple made FC hardware

[18:09:51]

iamlindoro:

Yep, XServer is/was FC

[18:09:57]

iamlindoro:

er XServe RAID that is

[18:10:22]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve_RAID

[18:10:34]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont really understand what FC gets you compared to SAS

[18:11:00]

wagnerrp:

other than significantly higher cost

[18:11:15]

iamlindoro:

The devices may still be SAS, FC is just the netwrok

[18:11:18]

iamlindoro:

er network

[18:11:27]

dekarl-too:

you get the network

[18:11:50]

wagnerrp:

oh, so its more used to connect HBAs to systems

[18:11:58]

iamlindoro:

yep

[18:12:08]

wagnerrp:

replaces the HBA interconnect and iscsi in one shot

[18:12:27]

iamlindoro:

I prefer iSCSI in terms of actual maintainability by quite a lot

[18:12:32]

iamlindoro:

and cost

[18:14:06]

dekarl-too:

from the mail it sounds as if the xserve is used as if it was one disk. no mounting of volumes directly into the VM (yeah), so its all a waste of nice toys

[18:14:09]

wagnerrp:

isnt FC only 4gbps though? or can it be ganged?

[18:15:41]

iamlindoro:

There are a number of variants, several faster than 4 Gb

[18:15:49]

iamlindoro:

But it's still just godawful expensive

[18:15:57]

wagnerrp:

yeah, looking through the wikipedia page

[18:16:05]

wagnerrp:

anything fiber is godawful expensive

[18:16:18]

iamlindoro:

We use EqualLogic iSCSI arrays here at work, I just can't come up with any good reasons to use anything else

[18:16:22]

wagnerrp:

proper fiber, anyway... toslink doesnt count

[18:17:03]

iamlindoro:

They work, they're crazy redundant, everything after the SAN boxes is commodity hardware, I can aggregate any ethernet device I want to get great speed

[18:17:56]

iamlindoro:

As an added bonus, can add another 96 TB appliance to the network any time I want and it's all part of the same pool, with no config

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wagnerrp:

i thought that dynamic and autonomous scalability was pretty much the whole purpose to a SAN

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iamlindoro:

Some do it better than others, have played with a few of the other manufacturers but have been really happy with EqualLogic

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wagnerrp:

so if he has a domain controller, why does he have a separate win2k8 file server?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to be running win2k8 rather than samba is due to domain controller capabilities?

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iamlindoro:

Samba can even be a domain controller... though it's a pain in the ass

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wagnerrp:

tell me about it

[18:42:33]

wagnerrp:

i used to run one

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wagnerrp:

never could get win7 to connect to it

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iamlindoro:

You need to be on sufficiently new Samba to connect Win 7

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iamlindoro:

I went through this at work, we used Samba as our domain controller, running on Mac OS X... except they switched to GPLv3 and Apple wouldn't distribute v3 stuff because of the tools they had built on top of it, which were great

[18:44:20]

iamlindoro:

so OS X server couldn't connect Win 7 clients... and I couldn't buy XP any more

[18:44:48]

iamlindoro:

Apple has since dumped Samba and written their own implementation that *can* support Win 7 clients-- but we've been forced to stupid Windows Server

[18:45:53]

wagnerrp:

ive used a sufficiently new server, ive gone through the registry tweaks youre supposed to do to fix the issue

[18:46:11]

wagnerrp:

i actually went through the same thing with the 7RC, but with those tweaks, it connected just fine

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: did i mention TMDBv3 now supports collections?

[18:57:23]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, you mentioned

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know if you had any desire to do anything with that

[18:57:41]

wagnerrp:

could potentially clear up that James Bond squabble on the mailing list

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drindt:

i get crazy with my new mythtv installation, i will run the frontend and all what happens is the screen in the color of the default template and in the log i find just those http://fpaste.org/z5w3/ few lines... the mythtvfrontend process runs twice and consumes a lot of cpu time... what can i do to get it working?

[20:48:21]

sphery:

drindt: mythfrontend --version to pastebin, please

[20:49:19]

drindt:

sphery, hello here is the output http://fpaste.org/FctN/

[20:49:22]

sphery:

I think you a) have an old, broken/uninstalled theme specified and b) need to update to current 0.24-fixes or you've told mythtv that the database is on port 6543

[20:50:33]

sphery:

ok, based on that revision, I'm thinking you probably have the fix for bad themes

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drindt:

sphery, the setup is working fine

[20:51:01]

drindt:

the frontend uses the same theme is not changed yet

[20:51:13]

drindt:

but you said database on port 6543?

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sphery:

please pastebin--but remove the password from--your ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[20:51:39]

sphery:

no, I said if you tell mythtv it is on 6543, mythfrontend will just spin when it tries to connect

[20:51:45]

sphery:

i.e. give the exact problem you have

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drindt:

sphery, ah ok, pastebin comes in a few second

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sphery:

make sure to take out password from both, though :)

[20:53:43]

drindt:

sphery, there is no secret in :) http://fpaste.org/4Kjd/

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drindt:

mythtv is running here as user mythtv and there is no mysql.txt present

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sphery:

hehe, I won't say that your password is the same as mine, because then people might know what mine is

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drindt:

just in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is present

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sphery:

ok, db port looks good

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drindt:

sphery, the setup is running fine here

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sphery:

any chance you can connect to the running frontend with gdb and get a backtrace: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Attachin . . . ning_process

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sphery:

don't worry about debug symbols at this point... might be able to figure it out without

[20:56:16]

sphery:

ah, new theory... even without a backtrace

[20:56:26]

sphery:

you have an old/dead/legacy plugin in your plugins dir

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sphery:

i.e. like a mythflix or mythphone or something

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drindt:

definitely not

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drindt:

i used since year the standard themes :D

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sphery:

in /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv/plugins/

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drindt:

i will look

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sphery:

ls /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv/plugins/ to pastebin would tell us

[20:58:17]

drindt:

http://fpaste.org/pKbV/

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sphery:

not themes... plugins

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sphery:

ls /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv/plugins/

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sphery:

that said theme wise you seem to have the right ones/current ones/only the ones you should

[20:59:57]

sphery:

(and all others should be installed in ~/.mythtv/themes--like those you choose with the theme chooser)

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drindt:

ls /usr/lib64/mythtv/plugins/ outputs just -> libmythvideo.so

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sphery:

well, that one is valid, so you should be good

[21:02:17]

sphery:

(oh, and I forgot about lib64 dir... never remember multilib systems)

[21:02:27]

sphery:

glad you know your system better than me :)

[21:02:58]

drindt:

64 bit should not a problem for mythtv because the installation before runs for 1 year as 64 bits more than just fine

[21:03:04]

sphery:

right

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sphery:

just meaning that my command wouldn't have checked for a lib64 dir

[21:03:23]

drindt:

i am very sad to have a reinstall

[21:03:33]

sphery:

would have had to be: ls /usr/{,local/}lib{,64}/mythtv/plugins/

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drindt:

just for correctness :D

[21:03:50]

drindt:

fine :)

[21:04:17]

sphery:

so, at this point, I'm out of guesses as to what's wrong, and would need a backtrace

[21:04:25]

drindt:

i found issues with nvidia drivers but i upgraded the kernel and nvidia stuff and the error message is not appearing anymore

[21:04:39]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Attachin . . . ning_process has instructions, and at first, we can try without debug symbols installed

[21:04:41]

drindt:

sphery, ok i will generate the trace for you

[21:04:46]

sphery:

thx

[21:04:53]

drindt:

i have to thank you

[21:06:30]

drindt:

sphery, i have more than one mythfrontend process what now? on which i should attach the debugger?

[21:07:08]

drindt:

http://fpaste.org/fW1d/

[21:07:47]

sphery:

that may actually be the problem, then

[21:08:13]

drindt:

when i kill all with killall and restart they are back again

[21:08:33]

sphery:

which ps are you using

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drindt:

my start command is su -c 'HOME="/home/mythtv" xinit /usr/bin/mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' mythtv

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drindt:

procps version 3.2.8

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sphery:

hmmm... even ps aux should condense down threads to one process

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drindt:

http://fpaste.org/zNnV/

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sphery:

so maybe it's just a thread, then?

[21:10:15]

drindt:

i started the frontend with the su command always like this without problems

[21:11:09]

drindt:

one of the processes consumes a lot cpu time

[21:11:27]

drindt:

http://fpaste.org/fCvQ/

[21:11:37]

sphery:

fwiw, you should be using a proper window manager, but that shouldn't be the problem here

[21:11:57]

sphery:

unless, of course, mythfrontend just popped up a popup and you're not seeing it because you don't have a window manager and it got put behind the window

[21:12:02]

sphery:

and it's asking you for more info

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drindt:

hm, but why this is working before?

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sphery:

if it is a dialog, then because mythfrontend wasn't popping up a dialog before? :)

[21:12:45]

drindt:

the window manager should just be installed?

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sphery:

do you have a .xinitrc that's running a window manager?

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drindt:

seems not .xinitrc is not present

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sphery:

oh, wait, .xinitrc isn't used when you specify a command

[21:13:45]

sphery:

so, yeah, you should be doing a proper window manager

[21:13:58]

sphery:

anyway, can you move the mythfrontend window to see if something is under it?

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drindt:

i just see a colored screen

[21:14:12]

sphery:

and note that things like Alt-Tab won't work without a WM to handle them

[21:14:13]

drindt:

not more

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sphery:

ok, can you minimize it somehow

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drindt:

nope no mouse or something

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drindt:

i mean cursor

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sphery:

best bet would be to log out, start X, then use a terminal to start mythfrontend

[21:14:48]

sphery:

ideally, after starting a window manager

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drindt:

ok i will try that you mean such as xterm or such?

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sphery:

you can then do things like: mythfrontend -geometry 800x600

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sphery:

right

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drindt:

i will try that i am back in a minute

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sphery:

then mythfrontend window won't be full screen and you can drag it around and see if there's something (like a modal dialog) behind it

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mythfan:

Any offert paid support to config hd-pvr blaster in mythbuntu 11.10

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devinheitmueller:

mythfan: MCEUSB blasters are $20.00 (including the remote). It would be cheaper for you to just buy one of those.

[21:30:20]

devinheitmueller:

.... and the MCEUSB blasters "just work".

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sphery:

and--not sure if it's still the case--but at one point, using the hd-pvr blaster with the Linux drivers for hd-pvr seemed to cause instability

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sphery:

so a separate mceusb blaster would likely be more stable, too

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: the instability has always been with the onboard IR receiver, not the blaster.

[21:31:01]

sphery:

ah, ok

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sphery:

had that backwards, I guess

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devinheitmueller:

(it's related to the traffic associated with I2C polling of the zilog)

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mythfan:

Im trying to make it work for 2 eeek

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devinheitmueller:

... and it shouldn't be an issue with relatively new HD-PVRs (there was a hardware change with effectively eliminated the issue)

[21:32:43]

mythfan:

Buy a new hdpvr 1 month old

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devinheitmueller:

mythfan: did you install the firmware? Run the command line tool to search for the settop code?

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mythfan:

I did what the hdpvr wiki 7 or 10 step

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devinheitmueller:

Did you follow step *2* ?

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mythfan:

Copied the hdpvr firmware in /lib/firmware is that what you mean

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devinheitmueller:

correct.

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devinheitmueller:

Did you run the script in step 9? Were you able to find a profile which worked?

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mythfan:

I dont have to update de firmware in hardware

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devinheitmueller:

The firmware isn't stored permanently in the hardware. It's loaded over the USB every time the device is powered up.

[21:36:58]

devinheitmueller:

(in fact, it's not actually firmware – it's a binary blob used by the driver which contains all the remote control profiles)

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mythfan:

When i do ls /dev/lirc* i have /dev/lirc0 and not /dev/lircd

[21:40:23]

mythfan:

I cant send any blaster command power

[21:41:34]

mythfan:

There is a red led on blaster to know when it work ?

[21:42:04]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan: yes, the blaster will glow read when transmitting.

[21:42:24]

mythfan:

:(

[21:42:31]

devinheitmueller:

You'll probably need to tweak your script to refer to /dev/lirc0

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mythfan:

I just tried command direct and it dint work

[21:43:22]

devinheitmueller:

pastebin your dmesg. Let's make sure the driver is loading properly.

[21:45:02]

mythfan:

Im on ipad i will change computer

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mythfan:

Maybe that why my hdpvr hang some time

[21:47:22]

devinheitmueller:

Unlikely.

[21:47:46]

devinheitmueller:

You're not even using the IR support yet, and the problem was only with the receiver (not the blaster). Andy your unit is too new for that to be a problem.

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mythfan:

Maybe unit was on shelve for a long time

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devinheitmueller:

Again, you're not currently using IR, and the problem was only with the receiver. Even *if* you had an older unit, you would not be effected by the issue.

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mythfan_:

im back here

[21:56:50]

drindt:

sphery, its as you said, i started twm with xinit and run then mythfrontend and now a modal dialog appears what asks about the database update

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sphery:

drindt: :)... glad we figured it out

[22:01:05]

sphery:

drindt: might want to switch up your auto-start to start xinit... then have a .xinitrc that starts up your wm, then starts up mythfrontend, then waits for your wm

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sphery:

drindt: twm isn't a bad choice... ratpoison is an excellent choice--and only takes about 300kB RAM... fluxbox is pretty good, too, and only takes about 1.1MB RMA

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sphery:

but don't tell the -users list that you found that a WM is important or they'll claim that I brainwashed you

[22:03:27]

oliver:

hi folks... after using ffmpeg to transcode a recording to remove an audio stream, I can no longer seek properly (this is using PS3/DLNA playback). I tried mythtranscode --buildindex --allkeys, but I wonder whether the file needs something else. can anyone help?

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sphery:

drindt: something like this for your .xinitrc: http://pastebin.com/DWjdCEMd (and then just start xinit without specifying the additional argument for a command--i.e. take off the mythfrontend command)

[22:05:18]

sphery:

drindt: see, also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login

[22:06:43]

sphery:

the approaches in the wiki have the side benefit of properly setting up your environment when you log in the mythtv user

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mythfan_:

drindt: sorry i got trouble with ssh, here the pastebin http://pastebin.com/83zJWJJ3

[22:11:12]

** sphery thinks that's for devinheitmueller ^^^ **

[22:11:35]

mythfan_:

he left ?

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devinheitmueller:

I'm still here.

[22:11:58]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, dmesg looks fine.

[22:11:59]

mythfan_:

sorry wrong nick

[22:11:59]

sphery:

no, just saying drindt was a different person :)

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mythfan_:

:(

[22:12:20]

sphery:

oliver: did you just put the same file on top of the original (with-all-streams) file?

[22:12:35]

oliver:

sphery: yes

[22:12:52]

oliver:

let me guess, that was a bad plan :)

[22:12:55]

mythfan_:

i have to restart lirc and modprobe lirc_zilog seem that mythbuntu doest keep my setting after a reboot

[22:13:24]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan: so what did you see when you ran the send_power_new script?

[22:13:27]

sphery:

what was the original format (container and codec) and what's the new format (container and codec)

[22:13:30]

sphery:

oliver: ^^^

[22:13:54]

oliver:

sphery: er, how do I find that out?

[22:14:30]

mythfan_:

why when i do ls /dev/lirc* i dont have /dev/lircd i just have /dev/lirc0 ... tuto seem to say i must have thoses two

[22:14:43]

sphery:

oliver: pastebin the output of: ffmpeg -i /path/to/file

[22:14:54]

sphery:

I'm guessing it's the same before/after if you really just removed a stream

[22:15:11]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: Depending on your distribution, some distributions don't put the lirc daemon in /dev (but rather in /var/run/lirc, or something like that)

[22:15:38]

mythfan_:

i use mythbuntu

[22:15:44]

oliver:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/9BQpGuer

[22:16:00]

devinheitmueller:

Did you install the lircd.conf file? Is the lirc daemon running?

[22:16:35]

mythfan_:

i didnt try to run the script but i got this error with command: irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 0_82_KEY_POWER

[22:16:35]

mythfan_:

irsend: could not connect to socket

[22:16:36]

mythfan_:

irsend: No such file or directory

[22:16:37]

sphery:

oliver: and does seeking work properly in mythfrontend?

[22:16:45]

sphery:

is it just UPnP where it fails?

[22:17:02]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: that suggests that your LIRC daemon isn't running.

[22:17:09]

oliver:

sphery: yes I think so (although it was a little time since I last started my frontend)

[22:17:19]

oliver:

sphery: I mean yes UPnP only

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mythfan_:

devinheitmueller: how i can make it running ?

[22:17:39]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: read the lirc documentation?

[22:17:47]

devinheitmueller:

Or search for a howto on lirc and mythbuntu?

[22:18:00]

mythfan_:

i have install lirc service on backend (mythbuntu)

[22:18:16]

devinheitmueller:

I believe on most distros, if it isn't properly configured the service won't start.

[22:18:24]

mythfan_:

devinheitmueller: which distro you use

[22:18:36]

sphery:

oliver: only other thing I could guess is that since you changed the file size (but the DB was likely never actually updated), that may affect UPnP seeking? If so, you can see about updating the file size

[22:18:48]

devinheitmueller:

I actually don't really use Mythtv much.

[22:18:57]

oliver:

sphery: ahh OK I'll try that, many thanks!

[22:19:01]

sphery:

oliver: I don't remember if that's done automatically by mythcommflag --rebuild or mythtranscode --buildindex

[22:19:22]

sphery:

if that doesn't help, you'll likely need to wait for one of the other guys who knows the upnp stuff better

[22:19:25]

oliver:

at least it's something to try, thanks so much for taking a look

[22:19:30]

mythfan_:

i will give up it now 2 week trying to make this work very frustation

[22:19:44]

sphery:

(they're likely to be on later... evening US Pacific time)

[22:19:51]

oliver:

okay

[22:19:53]

mythfan_:

any here offer paid support to fix this ?

[22:20:06]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: and that's why I suggested you just spend $20 and buy an MCEUSB blaster.

[22:20:09]

sphery:

mythfan_: the MCE blaster is still a (very good) option

[22:20:25]

devinheitmueller:

(which I cannot imagine being more expensive than anyone's time that you would have to pay for)

[22:20:27]

sphery:

and well supported by all major distros

[22:20:40]

mythfan_:

why people write wiki about blaster if it dont work...

[22:20:43]

devinheitmueller:

I offer paid support, but I doubt you could afford my hourly rate. :-)

[22:20:55]

mythfan_:

devin what you hourly rate

[22:20:55]

sphery:

hehe, yeah

[22:21:08]

mythfan_:

devin it depend how long it will take to fix it

[22:21:13]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: because many, many people have gotten the blaster to work. The problems with the wiki docs are usually related to outdated information or different distributions.

[22:21:45]

mythfan_:

that the problem with linux in general the infos are not centralized

[22:21:52]

mythfan_:

too mush distro

[22:22:01]

mythfan_:

too mush infos everywhere

[22:22:33]

devinheitmueller:

I have to admit, for somebody who actually wrote a Linux driver for that IR blaster, I really should have taken a bit more time to see how the mainline kernel version worked. :-)

[22:23:12]

mythfan_:

linux is great, but sometime it very complicated to make things work

[22:23:27]

devinheitmueller:

I don't think anyone would disagree with you there.

[22:24:49]

mythfan_:

devin so what your hourly rate

[22:26:04]

devinheitmueller:

mythfan_: unless you're a corporation planning on deploying hundreds of units, I assure you that you cannot afford it.

[22:26:44]

mythfan_:

you dont have a GNU hourly rate for ordinary people

[22:27:19]

devinheitmueller:

I've already contributed thousands of lines to the Linux kernel. I've done my part. :-)

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mythfan_:

anyone who offert affortable support for a HD-PVR blaster setup

[22:31:02]

mythfan_:

devin is it what you are talking about: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1430

[22:31:46]

devinheitmueller:

looks about right (or you could use any of the half dozen other models on newegg)

[22:32:37]

mythfan_:

devin: so you are rich ?

[22:32:56]

sphery:

such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101007 , likely

[22:33:11]

sphery:

(has many more buttons on the actual remote--where many buttons is a good thing with mythtv)

[22:33:44]

drindt:

sphery, thank you for your help!

[22:34:08]

skd5aner:

wow, the feds shut down megaupload

[22:34:10]

sphery:

drindt: enjoy--and thanks for getting back to me with confirmation that it was the problem

[22:34:29]

mythfan_:

sphery: just infrared or can use a radio one ?

[22:34:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: what's that... some dropbox-like site that ended up getting used for too much illegal file sharing?

[22:35:27]

sphery:

mythfan_: only RF remote I know of that works on Linux are the X10 ones (ATI Remote Wonder, X10 Lola, ...)

[22:35:27]

drindt:

sphery, yes, now i have to get running twm with X ... the next i guess is the sound via hdmi i am happy when that works again.

[22:35:33]

skd5aner:

yea, but megaupload seemed to be one of the de facto ones out there – lots of legitimate users too

[22:35:51]

sphery:

mythfan_: but there's no transmitter with those... you'd need a separate transmitter (like the one from either of the remotes you found) and receiver

[22:36:29]

skd5aner:

"... at one point Megaupload was the 13th most popular website in the world.

[22:36:29]

skd5aner:

"

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sphery:

skd5aner: I'm still upset that they haven't shut down some of the ones that users have posted on trac and lists

[22:36:48]

sphery:

as those tend to be obviously infringing sites

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mythfan_:

sphery: good to be canadian http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101008

[22:37:15]

sphery:

mythfan_: I think that's the one without transmitter

[22:37:24]

mythfan_:

yeah sorry

[22:37:25]

mythfan_:

:(

[22:37:36]

mythfan_:

we always pay more for stuff :(

[22:38:10]

devinheitmueller:

You got your entire operating system for free. Yes, you have to pay for the hardware it runs on. Boo hoo.

[22:38:34]

sphery:

mythfan_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101007 has transmitter, but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101008 doesn't

[22:38:36]

mythfan_:

no irblaster on newegg.ca

[22:39:13]

sphery:

ah, yeah, unavailable/out of stock

[22:39:30]

mythfan_:

yeah out of stock

[22:39:52]

sphery:

there's always ebay :)

[22:40:17]

sphery:

mythfan_: did you have an RF remote you were planning to use? Just curious because I'm looking for a better one than my ATI Remote Wonder

[22:40:30]

sphery:

hate the squishy buttons

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mythfan_:

no but will like more to have a RF than a IR

[22:41:23]

mythfan_:

on my main front end i use mce usb remote

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skd5aner:

hahah – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Wvn-9BXVc&am . . . r_embedded#! I'm shocked how many celebrity endorsements megaupload got on this – had to cost them a fortune given some of the names

[22:41:34]

sphery:

skd5aner: shutdown made the wikipedia page (and of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload#Unavailability )

[22:41:38]

mythfan_:

my cable box is a the backend

[22:42:01]

mythfan_:

i want to buy maybe a new zotac with remote for a second frontend in basement

[22:42:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: all over google news – http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/fed . . . ing-website/

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mythfan_:

sphery: which distro you use

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** sphery refuses to answer **

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sphery:

I'll just say it's a terrible choice, and one you're not using

[22:43:03]

mythfan_:

that's a secret super distro ?

[22:43:06]

sphery:

skd5aner: if only they could have just blocked the site by blocking the DNS record!

[22:43:56]

mythfan_:

sphery: i dont need the remote i just need the blaster at my backend will it work ?

[22:44:02]

skd5aner:

"Online piracy from China and elsewhere is a massive problem for the media industry, one that costs as much as $250 billion per year and costs the industry 750,000 jobs, according to a 2008 statement by Patrick Leahy, D-Vt"

[22:44:12]

skd5aner:

$250B/yr... pshhhhhh

[22:44:13]

sphery:

not quite a super distro... there are many much-better distros

[22:44:22]

mythfan_:

or should I should buy just a blaster

[22:44:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: yes, because people who steal things at virtually no cost would have bought just as much as they steal if they couldn't steal it

[22:45:10]

skd5aner:

that goes without saying

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mythfan_:

sphery: logitech doesnt have a great small keyboard with remote ?

[22:45:42]

skd5aner:

because if there's anything people have since 2008 is an extra $250B for entertainment purposes

[22:46:00]

skd5aner:

sphery: they do... the di novo mini (I have it)

[22:46:01]

sphery:

just like if I go to someone and say, "I have 200 pairs of shoes you can have for free," I'm preventing that person from actually spending the money to buy 200 pairs of shoes--which he would have done if I didn't give him the shoes

[22:46:03]

skd5aner:

it's ok though

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mythfan_:

skd5aner: it rf or ir

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skd5aner:

bluetooth

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mythfan_:

:)

[22:46:35]

mythfan_:

i need one

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mythfan_:

the keyboard work great ?

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skd5aner:

It's ok...

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skd5aner:

works well...

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sphery:

I've been thinking of making a bluetooth remote... just so far down on my priorities that I'll likely never actually do it

[22:47:18]

sphery:

but there are some great modules available... and the new low-power bluetooth looks like it will finally make it a good choice

[22:47:20]

mythfan_:

skd5aner do you have a hd-pvr

[22:47:20]

skd5aner:

If I were going to get another, I might try this one instead – http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertainment-Wire . . . 6&sr=8-1

[22:47:40]

skd5aner:

the thing I HATE about the di novo mini is that it doesn' have an esc key – it's an alt-key :P

[22:47:42]

mythfan_:

very cheap

[22:47:58]

mythfan_:

work with linux ?

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skd5aner:

no idea – 800 reviews though

[22:48:43]

skd5aner:

I do have an HD PVR

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sphery:

mythfan_: fwiw, it seems amazon has a nice selection of MCE remotes (including transceiver ones)

[22:49:17]

mythfan_:

amazon or amazon.ca

[22:49:24]

mythfan_:

im on amazon.ca right now

[22:49:26]

skd5aner:

http://www.amazon.com/Company-MediaGate-GP-IR . . . 9&sr=1-2

[22:49:28]

skd5aner:

get that one

[22:49:32]

skd5aner:

it works out of the box

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skd5aner:

and I just hooked the IR transmiter up 2 days ago after my firewire gave up for control of my STB

[22:50:15]

mythfan_:

my new motorola cable box the firewire is not enable :(

[22:50:24]

skd5aner:

at all?

[22:50:38]

skd5aner:

I mean, mine never worked for anything except channel changing (now it's b0rked)

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mythfan_:

skd5aner what is your cablebox

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skd5aner:

SA3250HD

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mythfan_:

ive got a DCX700

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mythfan_:

and i dont know where is the ir receiver

[22:53:00]

mythfan_:

look like to be in the middle but not sure

[22:53:06]

skd5aner:

Easy to find... just shine a flaslight in the plastic

[22:53:08]

skd5aner:

you'll see through it

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mythfan_:

skd5aner your backend and frontend on same computer or you have separate frontend

[22:55:04]

mythfan_:

http://www.amazon.ca/Company-MediaGate-GP-IR0 . . . p/B000W5GK5C

[22:55:09]

mythfan_:

out of stock :(

[22:55:52]

oliver:

sphery: you are brilliant – file size was exactly what needed to be updated to help seeking. many thanks!

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sphery:

oliver: thanks for reporting back... I'll try to get a patch in that fixes our mythcommflag --rebuild or mythtranscode --buildindex to update that

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: I have one of those, works ok.

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AndyCap:

paired easily enough with gnomes bt utils. the range isn't amazing though, not sure how it matches up with other kit, but it was worse than my ps3 controllers in the same environment.

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sphery:

kormoc: is it true that strict SQL mode became the default for InnoDB tables in MySQL 5.x?

[23:11:37]

kormoc:

sphery, negative. Drizzle ships with a strict sql mode, but mysql doesn't afaik

[23:11:43]

kormoc:

and the manual seems to back me up

[23:12:13]

sphery:

trying to figure out when/where it changed, but for some users DB update 1262 is failing

[23:12:25]

sphery:

1262 changes text columns to varchar--and adds a not null

[23:12:40]

AndyCap:

they have nulls?

[23:12:48]

sphery:

for me the not null only causes warnings, but never errors

[23:13:11]

sphery:

I've tried on qt 4.6, 4.7, and am currently compiling with 4.8

[23:13:24]

sphery:

tried mysql 5.1 and 5.5 on qt 4.6

[23:13:34]

sphery:

might have to do 5.5 on 4.8

[23:13:57]

kormoc:

my 5.5's certainly don't have a sql_mode set. I haven't tried 5.6 yet

[23:14:24]

sphery:

I was thinking, though, it might be that users are getting innodb, which is enabling a strict mode (and don't know if that's "generic" strict mode or an "innodb strict mode")

[23:14:34]

sphery:

since 5.5 defaults to innodb, right?

[23:15:02]

kormoc:

Right, they do

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sphery:

unfortunately, we'll have lots of innodb and lots of myisam users, now, since 5.5 changed it on us and we never had engine specified until current unstable

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kormoc:

but innodb honors the sql_mode setting

[23:15:32]

mythfan_:

anyone here got hdpvr working

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mythfan_:

the blaster transmitter

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sphery:

just started looking at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/innodb/1.1/en/innodb . . . ct-mode.html , so didn't know if there was some different/additional setting for innodb

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kormoc:

that's only if they're using the plugin

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kormoc:

no one really should be playing with that

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sphery:

ah, ok

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sphery:

so they should be using builtin innodb?

[23:18:11]

sphery:

anyway, having a very hard time repro-ing this as a failure

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sphery:

wonder if it's just some random distro that sets strict mode or something?

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kormoc:

Aye, they're very likely are

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sphery:

(in which case /much/ more should be failing for users than just that db update)

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sphery:

specifically it was: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/500535#500535

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sphery:

who's using opensuse 12.1...

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sphery:

wish he were still in here

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sphery:

would love to know which qt and which mysql version

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kormoc:

Yeah, I'd wager he's using a config he grabbed from somewhere that set the mode

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kormoc:

we can override it on our connections in

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kormoc:

might be best

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sphery:

yeah

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