Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 00:02 UTC

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stuartm:

Beirdo: if you ever get the chance, the film Four Lions is worth watching, it might sound mis-judged (comedy about Islamic terrorists) but it's really very good

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AndyCap:

I used my IRA voice.

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wagnerrp:

secondhand lions was better

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Beirdo:

cool.

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kormoc:

secondhand lions++

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pyther:

Me again :)

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pyther:

I'm not getting any data for a particular channel. What is a good way to troubleshoot this?

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wagnerrp:

any data? what sort of data?

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pyther:

well never mind, the channel was disabled in schedule direct :P

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pyther:

and sorry should have been more clear, scheduling data form schedulingdirect

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pyther:

but it helps when the channel is enabled

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do know anything about this QAM Map stuff robert put up on the SD forum?

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kormoc:

I don't alas. I do believe xris does tho

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wagnerrp:

seems like at the moment, such things have to be emailed into qam-info@sd

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wagnerrp:

which is pretty kludgy

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wagnerrp:

and i see no mention of how to pull it back out

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xris:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's the best that he and robert eden could come up with in short term

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xris:

I haven't had time to mess with it, though.

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering about some mechanism that could be integrated into the channel scanner/editor

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xris:

yeah, I'd love to see that.

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xris:

heck, I tried to push them to allow the data to be open but they decided at least for now to only provide it to SD members.

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wagnerrp:

i see no problem limiting it to SD members

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wagnerrp:

its not a proper channel scan, at least i do no believe thats enough data for mythtv to be happy tuning

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xris:

if that's the case, then he's just not including the right info

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wagnerrp:

which leaves it as a mapping between the scanned channels and the xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

that looks like the amount of data included in a typical channels.conf, and mythtv isnt happy using a channels.conf either

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wagnerrp:

although dek arl mentioned earlier today what could be a probable fix for that

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xris:

apparently there was some good info in the TMS meeting with SD this morning (I couldn't make it to CES this year). may have some more reason to put effort into development for that stuff again.

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mersault:

I recently moved my mythtv backend from an ubuntu 11.04 machine to a debian 6.0.3 machine. I kept the database, and the move seems to have gone smoothly, except that my recordings are failing but for only one channel. They either show up as totally broken in the recordings list in myth web with 0 size, or they're only a few megs in size (should be several gigs).

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xris:

and robert's been able to find some time for this new thing of his. hopefully can get more out of both of us, make a more useful feature out of, better integrated into myth.

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Roklobsta_:

mersault: could be a dvb driver problem

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wagnerrp:

what type of tuner? what source of channels?

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Roklobsta_:

what kernel is debian 6.0.3?

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mersault:

I've got an HDHR, pulling data in off the CN Tower (ATSC)

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wagnerrp:

has the HDHR been reset any time recently?

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mersault:

Kernel: 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64

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mersault:

wagnerrp: no, it hasn't. not since the last power outage, likely.

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mersault:

what I find odd is that it's only one station.

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wagnerrp:

HDHRs have been sometimes known to get a bit flaky after several months of continued use

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Roklobsta_:

is that a firewire based device?

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wagnerrp:

power cycle it and see what happens

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wagnerrp:

Roklobsta_: sort of

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mersault:

recordings from CFTO are consistently failing, but working fine for other stations

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wagnerrp:

it has a firmware, it has its own operating system, all loaded on embedded flash

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mersault:

I guess I should also check for more recent firmware...

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wagnerrp:

it connects to the network, rather than a PCI slot

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mersault:

seems unlikely at this point though, it's pretty old

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Roklobsta_:

oh ok. nifty

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wagnerrp:

Roklobsta_: so its not what youre thinking of where a driver has to push a firmware to it on startup

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wagnerrp:

mersault: xen... were you previously on a VM or did you move to a VM?

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mersault:

wagnerrp: the ubuntu install was a VM. I moved to the dom0 (host) to see if I'd get less artifacts in my recordings

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mersault:

kinda disappointed to report that this is indeed the case.

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wagnerrp:

kinda expected though

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wagnerrp:

hardware abstraction is going to do nothing but cause interference to time sensitive operations

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mersault:

that the dom0 has better performance is not unreasonable. that the domU didn't have *enough* performance is disappointing though

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mersault:

my hope was that since it was coming in as packets over a network that it would work out okay

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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mersault:

core2quad

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mersault:

Q6600 @ 2.40GHz according to /proc/cpuinfo

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mersault:

a little old, but more than powerful enough for what I throw at it.

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mersault:

well damn, installed the hdhr tools and it auto-upgraded my hdhr

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wagnerrp:

except youre running a VM

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mersault:

does that count as a reboot, heh

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mersault:

actually, I'm running several VMs

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wagnerrp:

and on the older 6-series, that means abstracted, virtual hardware

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wagnerrp:

no direct access to disks or ethernet

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mersault:

incorrect

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mersault:

most chipsets of the era have no direct access

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mersault:

but the CPUs did

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mersault:

I have an Asus P5E VM-DO (I think), which is one of the few mobos from the era to support PCI passthrough

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wagnerrp:

the Q6xxx had VT-x, for hardware access to the CPU

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wagnerrp:

it did not have VT-d, for hardware access to IO

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mersault:

yes, it does.

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mersault:

chipsets of the era didn't

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mersault:

I'm using VT-d right now. this packet has passed through two NICs that have been passed to a domU

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wisenuts:

can anyone help me with analog livetv and recorded tv playback?

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kormoc:

mersault, according to wikipedia, you don't have VT-d, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Co . . . _.2865_nm.29

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wisenuts:

its coming through as static

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wisenuts:

pvr-150 and hvr-1600

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wagnerrp:

if you follow those links through to ark.intel, the later 9-series support it, the 6 and 8-series do not

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mersault:

kormoc: http://wiki.xen.org/xenwiki/VTdHowTo

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: what type of tuner did you add these as?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wisenuts: the only thing that comes to mind is the Channel Frequency Table ^ and perhaps tuner type. ;-)

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kormoc:

mersault, they say "Note that in addition to the motherboard chipset and BIOS also your CPU must have support for IOMMU IO virtualization (VT-d)"

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wisenuts:

ivtv mpeg-3

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kormoc:

mersault, and "check your CPU vendors spec sheets for more information"

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wisenuts:

mpeg-2 sry

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mersault:

kormoc: note the mention of P5E-VM DO there. I'm the one who figured out the crap about the DMAR table.

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wisenuts:

the dvb "half" of the hvr1600 works

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to use the tuner or analog capture off a STB?

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kormoc:

mersault, fine, we're wrong, you're right, have fun

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wisenuts:

analog capture

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wisenuts:

basic cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

wisenuts: In the US?

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: i mean, do you have the cable plugged into the card? or do you have the cable plugged into a box and the box into the card

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: US, charter

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mersault:

kormoc: dude, don't know what to say. perhaps /proc/cpuinfo is wrong – I don't remember the model I purchased. but I'm doing vt-d passthrough, and have been for years.

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wisenuts:

yes, cable plugged directly into the card

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wagnerrp:

in your input connections, you selected the tuner input?

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wagnerrp:

(when you mapped your source to one of the inputs)

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mersault:

regardless, is there anything in the mythbackend logs that could say one way or another whether it's a flaky HDHR that was responsible for my crapped out recordings?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wisenuts: unless your cable provider actually still broadcasts Analog cable... Most have turned off all Analog and require a small DTA to use an analog set.

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: have you recently tried plugging an old analog tv into the cable line to ensure youre supposed to get something other than "static"?

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wisenuts:

it works on my 32lcd

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wisenuts:

i don't have an old box

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kormoc:

mersault, you can't really have. they released vt-d in 2011...

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wisenuts:

it "looks" like analog signal

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J-e-f-f-A:

wisenuts: but is that Analog, or Digital?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wisenuts: most likely it's Digital, but very low resolution, or highly compressed, or both.

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: when you watch it on that tv, are the channel numbers a single digit? or something like 87_4?

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wagnerrp:

underscore, dash, something to indicate two separate numbers

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wisenuts:

both. the crappy quality channels come up as 2 3 4 5 6 etc

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wisenuts:

the HD channels com through as 11.1

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wisenuts:

etc etc

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kormoc:

mersault, no, there's really not any way to tell

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wagnerrp:

run 'dmesg' and look through the results

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mersault:

kormoc: dang, oh well. I guess we'll find out tonight.

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wisenuts:

i see a lot of these

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wisenuts:

segfault at 0 ip 0070dcbb sp bf97cb80 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.3000.0[675000+142000]

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wagnerrp:

youre looking for the point at which the drivers for those cards loaded, usually about 5–15 seconds in

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kormoc:

mersault, keeping it cool is the best way to prevent issues

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wagnerrp:

see if there is anything that would indicate improper loading

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wisenuts:

cx25840 0–0044: loaded v4l-cx25840.fw firmware (16382 bytes)

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mersault:

kormoc: cool. thanks.

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kisak:

in mythtv-setup, icon download section for channels, is there a way for me to override the 54 result limit on results?

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wisenuts:

its looks clean

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wisenuts:

[ 16.000885] cx18-alsa: module loading...

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wisenuts:

[ 16.060179] cx18–0: loaded v4l-cx23418-apu.fw firmware V00120000 (141200 bytes)

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wisenuts:

[ 16.067540] ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)

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wisenuts:

[ 16.067652] cx18–0: FW version: 0.0.74.0 (Release 2007/03/12)

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wisenuts:

[ 16.103684] init: gdm main process (1059) killed by TERM signal

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wisenuts:

[ 16.272269] ivtv0: Encoder revision: 0x02060039

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wisenuts:

[ 16.708169] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0

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wisenuts:

[ 16.951252] cx18–0 843: loaded v4l-cx23418-dig.fw firmware (16382 bytes)

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wisenuts:

[ 16.972567] cx18–0 843: verified load of v4l-cx23418-dig.fw firmware (16382 bytes)

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: please never do that

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wisenuts:

sry

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wagnerrp:

if you need to paste more than a couple of lines, use a pastebin, and post the link in here

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wisenuts:

k

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wisenuts:

the only channel that works is channel 2

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wisenuts:

i take that back, 2–7 works. and 11

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kisak:

alternatively, is there a way for me to limit the icon hits by using an 'and' operand instead of the assumed 'or' that goes along with spaces

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wagnerrp:

wisenuts: is it possible you are using the broadcast channel map rather than the cable map?

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wagnerrp:

the broadcast map has a big chunk of around 40 channels missing somewhere around cable channel 15

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wagnerrp:

if you have nothing in the 70+ range, you simply wont see any more channels past that gap

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wisenuts:

ah ha – i was using the us-bast, i switch it to cable. rescanned. and rerunning mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

rescanned? no, you should not be scanning analog channels

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wagnerrp:

drop them all, and pull the lineup from your schedules direct account

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wisenuts:

is 2 us-bcast and 2 cable different?

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wagnerrp:

cable and broadcast between 2–15 (or somewhere around there) are the same

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wagnerrp:

past that, theyre different

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wisenuts:

k, let me wipe then and use my schedules direct.

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wagnerrp:

when you are in video source configuration

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wagnerrp:

there should be a button to pull the lineup from listing source

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wisenuts:

it doesn'

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wisenuts:

really do anything, hesitates a little

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wisenuts:

what should i expect?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: is that still having problems?

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kormoc:

Shouldn't be

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wisenuts:

still can't get anything over 2–11

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wisenuts:

i deleted all cards. readded them as itv mpeg2 cards

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wisenuts:

when into input connections

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wisenuts:

picked tuner1 and analog video source. then hit the fetch from listings source

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wisenuts:

if they are broadcasting it digitally, would they all be encrypted?(I have charter as my cable provider)

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wagnerrp:

they will likely be encrypted, but they may be copy freely

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how charter handles their stuff

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wagnerrp:

if it is copy freely, you would be able to use a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

if its copy protected, a cablecard tuner would refuse mythtv access to that content

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wisenuts:

if I call them, is it worth asking?

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wagnerrp:

depends, do you actually have digital cable currently?

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wisenuts:

yes I do

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wisenuts:

or at least thats when the rep told me last I spoke with them

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wagnerrp:

which means youre renting boxes for $8+/mo?

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wisenuts:

1 box for on-demand stuff. All other tv's just hook directly to the wall via coax

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wisenuts:

because that way I can get 11.1 – basically some sports in high def without paying extra for them

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wisenuts:

4.1 5.1 2.1 etc

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wisenuts:

about 10 hd channels

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wagnerrp:

well cablecard would be maybe $2–3/mo, plus an up front $140-$300 depending on which tuner you got (and how many tuners it has, 2–4)

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wagnerrp:

if you were replacing a traditional cable box or several, it would pay for itself fairly quickly

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wagnerrp:

assuming everything you wanted was copy freely

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wagnerrp:

but since youre not already using one with mythtv

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wisenuts:

what I don't understand is how my tv's can get the signal but mythtv cannpt

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wisenuts:

tv's witout the STB that is

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wagnerrp:

i want to say user configuration, but its been so long since ive set up analog i couldnt tell you what

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wagnerrp:

selection of us-bcast/us-cable was in the general section, correct?

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wisenuts:

that section is if you are scanning for channels in the input connections setup

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wagnerrp:

theres another setting for that in general

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wisenuts:

ah, found that. it was us-bcast.

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wisenuts:

switch it to us-cable?

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wagnerrp:

make sure to go all the way through to finish after you change it

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wisenuts:

ok. exiting

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wisenuts:

getting picture!

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wisenuts:

livetv works

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wisenuts:

recorded tv also working.

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wisenuts:

think that was the ticket. Thanks alot.

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wagnerrp:

one of those things that apparently no one bothered to fix

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wisenuts:

should it pull from the input connections? or turn off us-bcast all together?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

oh, there should be some market to specify what channel map the channel or video source is

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wagnerrp:

marker

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wagnerrp:

rather than enforcing a global one

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wisenuts:

is there a way to improve the quality? its a little "grainy"

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wagnerrp:

but... digital doesnt have that issue, and analog is al but dead

[02:06:12]

wagnerrp:

you can crank up the bitrate in the recorder/transcoder settings

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wagnerrp:

i believe livetv defaults to 2200kbps, i used to run my 150s at 6600kbps

[02:07:41]

wisenuts:

where do I find that setting? frontend or backend setting?

[02:07:49]

wagnerrp:

frontend

[02:09:23]

wisenuts:

found it

[02:09:26]

wisenuts:

looks better.

[02:09:32]

wisenuts:

again. thanks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, is someone considering giving up on the mythtv-setup channel scanning approach?

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wagnerrp:

?

[02:11:55]

sphery:

discussion in #mythtv

[02:12:15]

wagnerrp:

havent been following the past few hours

[02:12:29]

sphery:

sounds like you were recommending letting users download channel lists and/or switching to channels.conf

[02:13:12]

wagnerrp:

no, someone put up their channels.conf on the wiki

[02:13:25]

wagnerrp:

which bothered me since we tell people not to use those things, making them largely useless

[02:13:47]

wagnerrp:

in addition to the hundred or so already there, and various other database dumps and other formats

[02:13:49]

sphery:

ah, yeah, I agree that's not a good idea

[02:13:59]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I think they should go

[02:14:05]

sphery:

+1

[02:14:10]

iamlindoro:

and even if they had any value, they'd likely all be out of date too

[02:14:24]

wagnerrp:

i knew it had been discussed putting something on services to collect scans and push them out to users, if nothing else as an initial guide

[02:14:39]

wagnerrp:

i had asked if there was a reason no one had done so, or if it was just lack of motivation

[02:15:13]

sphery:

I like (but don't see myself getting around to) the idea of just making our scanning work/easy to use

[02:15:48]

wagnerrp:

however apparently robert k. has his thing semi-functional on schedules direct

[02:16:08]

sphery:

but I'll admit that we have the huge problem that users who found it challenging to use in 0.18 are afraid to try it, again

[02:16:17]

wagnerrp:

very basic, callsign, channel number, physical and virtual channel, and xmltvid

[02:16:27]

iamlindoro:

I'll admit it's still challenging in .24

[02:16:32]

wagnerrp:

but i cant seem to find any form of API to hook into it

[02:16:40]

wagnerrp:

if there is one at this point

[02:17:02]

wagnerrp:

just a couple of scripts to extract it from an HDHR Prime or an existing mythtv source

[02:17:06]

wagnerrp:

which you then email to SD

[02:17:11]

sphery:

yeah, just saying that it's hard to convince users to try it again--they'd rather take an unsupported approach

[02:17:22]

sphery:

(agree that current scanner isn't great)

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wagnerrp:

what i was considering was putting something up on services to start collecting them

[02:18:09]

wagnerrp:

and then start working on how to integrate it in the UI

[02:18:18]

wagnerrp:

but if robert already has a start elsewhere...

[02:19:13]

wagnerrp:

stu artm's and dek arl's discussion was basically then centered around how they dont need such things, since one transport should identify all the rest

[02:19:26]

wagnerrp:

but that such capability is broken and should be fixed

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sphery:

why do we need such things?

[02:19:40]

sphery:

what does it give over a working scanner

[02:19:46]

sphery:

or is this an interim thing?

[02:19:59]

sphery:

or just for the mapping of xmltvid

[02:20:10]

wagnerrp:

primarily the xmltvid mapping stuff

[02:20:20]

sphery:

ah, ok, I can support that

[02:20:24]

wagnerrp:

IMHO, the fact that we have to do that is broken

[02:20:36]

wagnerrp:

but... theres no alternative but to allow other users to do it for you

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sphery:

broken that we have to tell mythtv which channel from our provider matches which channel from our listings?

[02:20:51]

wagnerrp:

since TMS really doesnt even have the data to license to SD

[02:21:17]

sphery:

I understand what you're saying

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wagnerrp:

broken in its not working how it should

[02:21:33]

wagnerrp:

TMS and SD should just have all that information for us to grab

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sphery:

just don't see it as broken so much as "more work--because we're swimming upstream by not using the cable-/satellite-company-provided DVR"

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wagnerrp:

broken in the same sense that we have to capture analog from STBs

[02:22:30]

wagnerrp:

"the system" is broken

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sphery:

though a crowd-sourced approach would be fine

[02:22:55]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

but a crowd sourced system, back-referencing itself, could provide other possibilities

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

say you place a lineup on the server, someone else is using it, notices a change, uploads a new one referencing the old one

[02:24:07]

sphery:

I just don't like the idea of downloading full channel info

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wagnerrp:

you would then get a notice of a potential change

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sphery:

but for filling in gaps that we can't get from scanner, etc., makes sense

[02:24:36]

sphery:

that would be cool, too

[02:24:40]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps yours was bad, and you get multiple filling it out with additional information and uploading new copies

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wagnerrp:

multiple cross references would do part of the job of filtering out good scans from bad

[02:25:20]

wagnerrp:

of course, that all assumed our user density is sufficiently high for such a thing to work

[02:25:38]

wagnerrp:

i really dont know if thats the case

[02:25:47]

wagnerrp:

perhaps in major cities, perhaps not

[02:26:11]

sphery:

I know there's another guy near me who tried using mythtv--don't know if he continued

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sphery:

he told me how if he lived in an area where OTA was a possibility, he'd be very happy, but where he lives, cable is the only option--and he's about 2 miles from me

[02:27:35]

wagnerrp:

even if our channel scan was working properly, perfectly every time, scanning is still a hassle

[02:27:44]

sphery:

(this was on -users list... I never mentioned where I was, but told him I'd imagine he's in a sweet spot where nearly all channels line up on a 325deg heading, so it's easy to get with an antenna)

[02:28:08]

wagnerrp:

if we could do away with it, at least in part, it would go a long way towards one of the things new users hate

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noisymouse:

how can I configure mythtv to show videos and not recordings to a upnp client?

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wagnerrp:

recordings and videos are both available to upnp clients

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rileyp:

wagnerrp, Does mythvideoexport.py move the actual files or does it make them available in the video gui through clever DB work?

[04:58:40]

wagnerrp:

neither

[04:58:51]

wagnerrp:

it copies the file

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rileyp:

So its available in both?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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rileyp:

And when I select to delete it deletes both?

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wagnerrp:

the delete on the version on the wiki doe\s nothing

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rileyp:

Sorry you have confused me If I delete the file in the video gui what happens?

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wagnerrp:

which gui

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rileyp:

The mythtv video gui

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wagnerrp:

if you delete it from within 'watch videos', the copied file gets deleted

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rileyp:

Ah ok so I'd need to delete from in the watch videos gui and the watch recordings gui

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wagnerrp:

if you delete it from both, both copies will get deleted

[05:06:41]

rileyp:

Thanks

[05:20:32]

noisymouse:

ok, maybe it's showing both but my tv isn't able to play them

[05:21:19]

wagnerrp:

noisymouse: mythtv just serves the content, it does not transcode

[05:21:38]

wagnerrp:

if your content exists on disk in a format your tv cannot handle, mythtv cannot do anything about it

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: AppleTV Error 2003 MySQL

[05:41:47]

wagnerrp:

Please help!

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** iamlindoro applauds wagnerrp for seeking help in the right place **

[05:42:10]

iamlindoro:

and without the fake name this time

[05:45:52]

wagnerrp:

fake name?

[05:48:58]

iamlindoro:

calling yourself "hugo..."

[05:52:36]

wagnerrp:

ASL?

[05:53:01]

wagnerrp:

heres my online dating page... http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=32577978

[05:54:55]

wagnerrp:

this guy has way too much information about himself posted online

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wagnerrp:

yikes

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wagnerrp:

MSIE 5.5; Windows 95

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[R]:

whats with this guy filling out the apple tv tickets?

[06:22:12]

wagnerrp:

ancient spam, and not even a link to go with it

[06:22:44]

wagnerrp:

[R]: hugo? hes just looking for companionship in florida

[06:22:45]

wagnerrp:

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=32577978

[06:22:48]

[R]:

wtf...

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[R]:

how do you know thats him?

[06:23:36]

[R]:

he's "looling" for someone

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wagnerrp:

because i can see his email when i log into trac

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[R]:

HAHA

[06:24:28]

** wagnerrp starts repopulating BadContent **

[06:25:03]

wagnerrp:

i have the feeling no one on trac has any need to know about genital warts

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[R]:

thats very interesting...

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wagnerrp:

crappity crap crap

[06:31:59]

wagnerrp:

bind just took a dive

[06:38:46]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: uh oh, typepad thinks your #7701 patch is spam

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Beirdo:

stupid Ford

[07:16:07]

Beirdo:

they are calling dealerships "your local Ford store"

[07:16:10]

wagnerrp:

"Divx codec for ps3"

[07:16:14]

Beirdo:

it's not a store, it's a dealership.

[07:16:16]

wagnerrp:

i wonder just how they expect to manage that

[07:16:51]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: cant be worse than toyota advertising their twenty-oh-ten model year

[07:17:04]

Beirdo:

heheh

[07:17:10]

Beirdo:

marketing fail all over

[07:17:46]

Beirdo:

I wonder what a twenty-oh-ten Toyota will look like...

[07:17:54]

Beirdo:

that's a LONG time from now

[07:19:19]

Beirdo:

What am I smoking, doubt Toyota will still exist as an entity that far out

[07:19:25]

wagnerrp:

hehe.... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/74585

[07:19:25]

Beirdo:

it will be Globalcorp.

[07:19:27]

Beirdo:

heh

[07:19:32]

wagnerrp:

stupid user, good spam filter

[07:20:50]

Beirdo:

although, that wasn't really spam, just crap content :)

[07:21:18]

wagnerrp:

is there a difference

[07:21:57]

wagnerrp:

child needs to take some more medication.... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/74572

[07:22:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[07:23:13]

wagnerrp:

theres four more identical ones to that from different IPs

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wagnerrp:

im still waiting for the first karma under 100

[07:28:19]

Beirdo:

I'm mad at UPS

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Beirdo:

the idiots have a package "out for delivery" since 2am

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Beirdo:

i.e. on a truck that drove all over Seattle, and never dropped it off

[07:28:54]

Beirdo:

thanks.

[07:29:38]

wagnerrp:

im mad at UPS

[07:29:48]

wagnerrp:

they keep sending me all these emails about delivery failures

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Beirdo:

heh

[07:29:57]

wagnerrp:

but they never come back and actually deliver the damn package

[07:30:15]

Beirdo:

Amazon sends me messages saying Fedex failed to deliver...

[07:30:31]

Beirdo:

that arrive at the same time as the building emailing me saying they have a Fedex delivery

[07:30:37]

Beirdo:

*SMACK*

[07:31:51]

Beirdo:

so you have to go to the airport to get your stuff?

[07:31:52]

wagnerrp:

xris: for shame, what are you doing spamming trac?.... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/74462

[07:32:44]

Beirdo:

how is that xris?

[07:33:11]

wagnerrp:

fourth link

[07:33:16]

wagnerrp:

scroll right

[07:33:33]

wagnerrp:

hahaha... even walmart spam

[07:33:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:33:43]

Beirdo:

I see. silly boy

[07:36:42]

wagnerrp:

"winamp torrent"

[07:36:53]

wagnerrp:

... come on... winamp? realplayer?

[07:37:02]

wagnerrp:

dont people realize these things are already free?

[07:37:49]

Beirdo:

hehe

[07:41:29]

wagnerrp:

-79, i think thats the best so far

[07:43:12]

xris:

realplayer. lol

[07:43:45]

xris:

man, glad my boss (one of my best friends from high school) is no longer lead PGM for realplayer. heh

[07:44:14]

wagnerrp:

ooh... medication and insurance on the same spam

[07:46:47]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: you know, typepad just _really_ doesnt like you

[07:47:05]

wagnerrp:

every one of your tickets and comments gets marked as spam

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wagnerrp:

by the way, xris or beirdo, if one of you could nix this James Olsovsky from the mailing list

[07:49:40]

Oleg_:

are any of you Dexter fans? Damn, we have to wait for 8 months before season 7 of dexter starts

[07:51:16]

wagnerrp:

i doubt most people in here get HBO

[07:51:46]

[R]:

wtf dude

[07:51:52]

[R]:

tons of nerds are smelly

[07:52:09]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[07:52:14]

[R]:

horrible body odor...

[07:52:32]

Oleg_:

none of you ever watched Dexter?

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wagnerrp:

because you happen to be around a bunch of nerds at 3am?

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[R]:

Oleg_: i heard aboot it... thats it

[07:54:04]

wagnerrp:

i know the general premise

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xris:

wtf *is* that realplayerfaq site. it reads like a fake blog but there's no spammy faq or anything

[07:54:26]

xris:

er, spammy links

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Beirdo:

xris: you got that mailing list request?

[08:04:59]

xris:

Beirdo: not me.

[08:05:12]

xris:

don't remember how to get in. :)

[08:05:21]

Beirdo:

K

[08:07:05]

Beirdo:

I got it, one moment

[08:08:10]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: which mailing list, what email?

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wagnerrp:

-users, i dont know, i deleted it

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wagnerrp:

its the last person who sent an email

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Beirdo:

K

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wagnerrp:

he spammed once on tuesday as well

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Beirdo:

hahah gmail put it straight into spam

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Beirdo:

got it

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: no worries, I'll just add snippets from random wikipedia articles to the patch and repost it... one or two of them will get through :)

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Beirdo:

done.

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Beirdo:

if he rejoins, we'll add him to the blocked email list

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dekarl:

sphery: imho the interesting stuff in the channels.conf import is to use an external scanner. not some lists from a forum or similar

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hipitihop:

I have mythbuntu variant installed and need to create a newunrelated DB on mySQL, how do I find out the credentials to allow DB creation etc

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bugthing:

hipitihop: I think it should me in here (providing you have changed it since install) /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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bugthing:

i mean: I think it should BE in here (provding you have NOT changed it since install) ... /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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hipitihop:

bugthing, yes, that's there, but is that not just credentials for mythtv, or is that root admin rights to mysql

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bugthing:

<hipitihop> do you want the root password then?

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bugthing:

root, as in the mysql root user

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bugthing:

anyway, the login details to mysql for the mythtv backend should be in the afore mentioned file... if you want the root password, I think, it is blank in mythbuntu (so you can login locally with:'mysql -u root')

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tgm4883:

bugthing, the root password for mysql is whatever you set it to during install

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tgm4883:

it asks you

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hipitihop:

bugthing, yes, just tried mysql --user root --password , and then when promted used my normal sudo password and in I am so thanks

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bugthing:

hipitihop: try it without the --password

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hipitihop:

tgm4883, indeed, thanls

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hipitihop:

bugthing, won't allow me

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bugthing:

tgm4883: mythbuntu has mythtv already installed so I probably does not ask

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bugthing:

hipitihop: what does it say?

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tgm4883:

bugthing, it should set it to the same as the user password then I believe

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tgm4883:

bugthing, he said he's in :)

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hipitihop:

bugthing, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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hipitihop:

bugthing, tgm4883, so in summary I need to use --user root --password to get in, and I must provide the password I used during initial install of mythbunty

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tgm4883:

yep, sounds about right

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bugthing:

arh!.. I see ... glad you are sorted... and I have learned something new about mythbuntu :)

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hipitihop:

bugthing, tgm4883, thanks for getting me over the line

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bugthing:

no probs

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ThisNewGuy:

hey All – does anyone know if there's a way with the python bindings to get the currently recorded shows? MythBE.getRecordings() seems to return more than just what's currently available

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rileyp:

ThisNewGuy, must be able to as its on the system status page

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rileyp:

is that currently being recorded or all shows that have been recorded?

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ThisNewGuy:

rileyp: what system status page?

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rileyp:

In mythtvs frontend >advanced>system status > then scroll till you hit it and it tells you what tuners are recording and in the recordings gui the shows recording have a red light on them

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rileyp:

or the recording will be adiffernt color text pending which them your suing

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rileyp:

theme using sorry

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ThisNewGuy:

sorry – I don't mean what's currently recording – I mean what has finished recording and is available to view

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rileyp:

seems to return more than just what's currently available what do you mean here?

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iamlindoro:

rileyp: He's asking about the python bindings, you're talking about the UI

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy: could you explain a bit more?

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wagnerrp:

getRecordings() returns everything the backend thinks is currently recorded or recording, and is still on your hard drive

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wagnerrp:

in other words, anything you can actually open up and play

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Seeker`:

anyone have a clue why XShmGetImage doesnt seem to work on VDPAU without overlay disabled?

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Unguided:

Does anyone have a minute for a hardware question please?

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wagnerrp:

youve been here enough to know the rules

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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wagnerrp:

if you cant stick around, just say youll be watching the logs

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wagnerrp:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1

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Unguided:

I didnt think you were on. Its a hardware question you and i had talked about. Does the processor matter as much if I am off loading the video decoding to the vid card. you had recommended intel processors. I have four mobo all the same and was wanting to use them with myth. But, they are amd.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter if i were on, anyone could answer

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wagnerrp:

i didnt recommend intel processors, i recommended something with enough power to handle software decoding, should offloading to the GPU fail for whatever reason

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wagnerrp:

which for currently available content, the safe side is any dual core AthII, Core2, or i3 3GHz and up

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wagnerrp:

i said if you wanted to do embedded video, nvidia doesnt make north bridges any longer, boards with embedded nvidia mobile chips are rare, and amd graphics should be avoided if at all possible

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wagnerrp:

which leaves intel graphics

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wagnerrp:

not on the par with nvidia for use in linux, but usable enough for mythtv's purposes

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wagnerrp:

intel graphics in turn means an intel processor, i3 or i5

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Unguided:

ok. sorry i misunderstood. i have athlon 64 x2 5000+ to 7550. that should be enough right? I solved that problem by getting the nvidia cards which i have been happy with. I showed my wife some of the different themes available for myth and she changed her mind and really likes what im doing

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wagnerrp:

a 5000+ is a bit aged and only 2.6GHz

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wagnerrp:

but should be sufficient

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wagnerrp:

you would be right at about your limit for full bitrate HDPVR content

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wagnerrp:

and some higher bitrate Bluray content may be too much

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Unguided:

I only have one of them. two 6000+ and one 7550. im reusing from other computers. that limit then is only for failover then right?

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Unguided:

im sorry. you said that limit was for software decoding if hardware should fail for whatever reason. I misread that.

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wagnerrp:

im saying that is the recommended minimum you should look for in a CPU for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

to allow you to have something to fall back on that should be capable of just about any video currently in "the wild"

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wagnerrp:

should you be unable to use hardware accelerated decoding for whatever reason

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Unguided:

got it. Ive been so busy trying to figure all this stuff out my head spins most of the time. a lot to learn.

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wagnerrp:

Unguided: you can get something small like an Atom and rely on hardware decoding, and many do, but when you do so you severely restrict your ability to adapt to problems

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Unguided:

I see your point and it is well taken. sucks to take down the frontend and the tv if hardware fails

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justinh:

whoah. somebody made an effects struct for mythui? Or rather, got somewhere with it. heh

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tgm4883:

Is anyone else seeing this on 0.25/trunk. Using the services API, ( http://BACKENDIP:6544/Dvr/GetRecordedList ), there doesn't appear to be any text in the subtitle tag, although the actual subtitle text appears to be randomly inserted elsewhere in the returned data

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tgm4883:

in my case, I see it after the </Airdate>

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you! :-) Seems a ball was set rolling

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Beirdo:

hehe, "was he a spammer, or was his account cracked" WTF?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo:does it matter?

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Beirdo:

that was basically my answer (just now)

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Beirdo:

Don't know, don't care.

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wagnerrp:

anyone ever try to wire a cigarette charger into a 12V wall wart?

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: I see a subtitle where it is meant to be (running mythbuntu trunk builds – last updated about a week ago)

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nordle:

hello, I've upgraded my mythtv hardware with the guts of old desktop. Being Linux, it didn't freak at the new mobo, processor, RAM, chipsets etc. But it uses ATI instead of NVIDIA. The video had lots of tearing. God it looked bad. Switching from XV output to opengl fixed it. Looks perfect. But the last frame of whatever I'm watching freezes when leaving the video/tv to return to menu (known issue I gather). One workaround is Ctrl+Alt+F6, then

[21:00:56]

nordle:

Ctrl+Alt+F7, to switch terminals and then return back. This clears the freeze and you can carry on. But its not good and the bug has been around for 18mths. So one alternative is to mythtv-setup and remove the Storage Group for videos and enter mplayer command as alternative player. Before I proceed, are there any gotchas that mean I shouldn't do this? Many thanks. Shame opengl is not being actively fixed, looks great.

[21:01:41]

tgm4883:

Seeker`, maybe it's just this one show then doing something odd, or how I pulled it

[21:01:43]

** tgm4883 shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

nordle: try using the OpenGL UI painter

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tgm4883:

I'll test further

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wagnerrp:

rather than the standard QT painter

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: what show?

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nordle:

wagnerrp: Thanks. I tried that, but its worse, some of the menu's freeze, not just the video. Again ctrl+alt+terminal swaparoo and its resolved, but.

[21:03:34]

wagnerrp:

i want to say its all just glitchiness in the fglrx OpenGL implementation

[21:03:54]

wagnerrp:

considering nvidia and intel graphics behave just fine otherwise

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nordle:

I could go out and buy another nvidia card....... just reluctant to change something that gives a really good picture and _should_ work.

[21:04:17]

tgm4883:

Seeker`, This is the testbox I set up at work, so I have a testfile as the tuner and I've only recorded 3 shows all as a test. Keep that in mind.

[21:04:19]

tgm4883:

"The Bold and the Beautiful"

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tgm4883:

I'll have it "record" a few more and see if it persists

[21:04:38]

wagnerrp:

file a ticket (search first to see if someone else already has)

[21:04:55]

wagnerrp:

let mark know there is an issue, and let him decide if mythtv is at fault, or if its upstream

[21:05:17]

wagnerrp:

if its upstream, dont be surprised if he decides not to implement a specific fix to work around their bug

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justinh:

meh. I've had ATI kit that 'should' just work. never again

[21:05:46]

justinh:

never mind in linux – their crap barely works in windows properly IME

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, actually, now that I'm back looking at the listings, it's not the subtitle that is showing up inproperly. It's the description

[21:05:59]

tgm4883:

just shows up without any tags it seems

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wagnerrp:

i dont expect him to be very enthusiastic about getting AMD stuff to work after finding VAAPI to be effectively non-functional last time he tried

[21:07:15]

wagnerrp:

justinh: you might know something about this

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justinh:

hmm?

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wagnerrp:

would a wall-wart give a sufficient DC signal to drive a cigarette charger?

[21:07:58]

wagnerrp:

or would the cheap rectifier give bad power it doesnt like

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justinh:

depends on what capacity it is

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nordle:

wagnerrp: mmmm, I wonder if its worth trying the kernel driver for ATI instead of the ATI one. I've always bought nvidia, this was my first ATI card. For games it was great, quiet, efficient, fast. But my new PC has nvidia again :) I did find a bug report for the freeze, it was opened 14 months ago......im looking through my browser history now.

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: yes, that is what i see

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justinh:

wagnerrp: 12V @ 1A should be enough for an incar charger

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, does it show up like this http://pastebin.com/vDgVwyWY

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justinh:

assuming it's for a phone or similar ;)

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wagnerrp:

charger output is 5V 1.5A, wallwart is 12V 1A

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: yup

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justinh:

wagnerrp: 7.5W vs 12W... should be ok in theory

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, ok, while I'd like to think this couldn't be a packaging issue, I'd still like to confirm this happening on non-mythbuntu packages/builds

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justinh:

wagnerrp: worst that'll happen is you'll either get nothing out of the wallwart under that load, or you'll shorten its life

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nordle:

wagnerrp: yep, here it is http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9272

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: fair enough :)

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wagnerrp:

anonymous reporter? thats an old ticket

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wagnerrp:

now if only i had some alligator clips, and wasnt rigging this up with spare AWG28

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

28awg can carry that

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** justinh has done similar with a benchtop PSU & incar chargers **

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wagnerrp:

handling the load, im not concerned about

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wagnerrp:

its staying secure while exposed on my desk

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justinh:

tape!

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wagnerrp:

ive got some scotch handy

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: what are you doing this for?

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justinh:

emergency charging, I'd guess ;)

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wagnerrp:

messing around with an XM frontend and car kit

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justinh:

wagnerrp: unless there's > 50V involved you don't really need insulating tape

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wagnerrp:

i just dont have a car sitting in my room handy

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wagnerrp:

i should probably leave the wallwart unplugged until _after_ i wire this up

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justinh:

pfft. there won't be any sparks

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wagnerrp:

it lights up! thats a good sign

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wagnerrp:

justinh: definitely should be using clips for this... i just cant get a good connection to the springloaded center pin

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Beirdo:

roach clips FTW?

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: as long as you dont light up too, well done :)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I generally just strip the wire way back, twist it so the strands are together & wrap it around the centre pin

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wagnerrp:

wrapping didnt work

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wagnerrp:

i had to twist the wire around itself to pull pressure

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wagnerrp:

which causes its own problems because AWG28 copper cant take much before it snaps

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justinh:

oh so not stranded wire then. heh

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wagnerrp:

no, my "spare wire" comes from untwisted cat6

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wagnerrp:

looks solid, third time's the charm

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justinh:

gah, how does anybody expect somebody to be able to follow a forum thread like 300 pages long?

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justinh:

idiots chipping in with stupid questions. forums should be harder to sign up for

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Beirdo:

forums should not exist :)

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Beirdo:

too many BLEEPtards

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justinh:

"I wan't to root my ZTE ... I've already tryed... ". DIE

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dekarl:

tgm4883: its meant to be like that, I've already asked the same question ;) (wrt description as going in the parent element unlike the other attributes)

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dekarl:

tgm4883: look around the end of day here http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-11-30 for more details

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dekarl:

tgm4883: and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . zer.cpp#L125

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tgm4883:

dekarl, odd

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tgm4883:

I guess if that is expected behavior I can work with it though

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tgm4883:

thanks for the info dekarl

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tgm4883:

hmm

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tgm4883:

It could be my inexperience dealing with XML, but it seems like something is wrong pulling out the data that way

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dekarl:

what are you using to parse the data?

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tgm4883:

dekarl, python xml.etree.ElementTree

[23:18:40]

dekarl:

uhh, I have no idea of python... its not using XPath to select the elements?

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tgm4883:

dekarl, so this is what I've noticed

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tgm4883:

This is how it's coming from mythtv http://pastebin.com/vDgVwyWY

[23:19:21]

tgm4883:

If I move line 21 to line 2, it works fine

[23:19:37]

tgm4883:

it doesn't seem to like that there are other elements before it at that level

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tgm4883:

I don't know if that is a bug in ElementTree or if that is a mythtv bug, I guess I would have to read the XML spec to figure that out

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dekarl:

huh? shouldnt ./text() work regardless of order?

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tgm4883:

dekarl, yea thats what I think as well

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tgm4883:

dekarl, honestly, I could be doing something wrong, but it's like 8 lines of code

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tgm4883:

http://pastebin.com/bx1Phswv

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: whatcha doing with the XML data?

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, eventually I'll feed this into Unity

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dekarl:

isnt find() returning only the first element?

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tgm4883:

dekarl, for 'elem.find("Programs")'? That returns a list of each Program

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dekarl:

and findall() returning a set

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dekarl:

aye, thats the line I'm looking at

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tgm4883:

so in my test machine, it returns all 3 recorded programs

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dekarl:

hmm according to this it shouldnt http://docs.python.org/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html

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Seeker`:

tgm4883: for what purpose? to put it in a list of media?

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tgm4883:

Seeker`, yes

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dekarl:

and shouldnt you been finding all Program elements?

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dekarl:

looks like you are finding the "Programs" element and iteration over its three "Program" childs due to some implicit iterator?

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tgm4883:

dekarl, I think it's finding the first <Programs>, but inside that, there are <Program> for each recording

[23:27:41]

tgm4883:

yes

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dekarl:

does this make send? print l.findtext(".")

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tgm4883:

dekarl, from the root, there is no subchild "Program"

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dekarl:

hmm, its not finding all descendants? could use the path "//Program" then ;)

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tgm4883:

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nordle:

wanerrp: Latest scores are in. Open Source ATI Driver 1 – Close Source AMD ATI driver 0. It works. The open source driver plays all the video (opengl) correctly, navigates the menus correctly (no freezing) and fills the screen (no blank space on the left+right). Only thing it lacks, a gui front end such as amdccle. But MythTV is good again, and I can keep Storage Groups and the internal player :)

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nordle:

wagnerrp: cant spell.

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tgm4883:

dekarl, it finds all of the descendants just fine

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dekarl:

so the root has 3 descendants <Program> even if they are not direct children... Need to check if "subelements" contains an implicit "direct"

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tgm4883:

dekarl, I just started on this, but everything here works and returns what I would expect it to, except for the description http://pastebin.com/t4yhwz1t

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nordle:

mmm seems to hammer the CPU a bit more though.

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tgm4883:

The only way description works is if I move it to right after <Program>

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dekarl:

thats the full script? aka I can run that?

[23:32:14]

tgm4883:

seems to be a bug in ElementTree

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tgm4883:

dekarl, yes, except you need an xml file "test.xml"

[23:32:48]

dekarl:

just noticed that ;)

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tgm4883:

dekarl, http://pastebin.com/cMZz7KjU

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tgm4883:

that is the test.xml file I'm working with

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dekarl:

hm, after actually adding descriptions to the first two programs they still don't show, strange

[23:43:21]

tgm4883:

dekarl, did you try moving the location of the description?

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dekarl:

meh... text between child elements goes to the tail attribute of the preceding child it seems

[23:45:39]

dekarl:

it does not go into a text child, because there are no text childs, only a text attribute of the parent

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dekarl:

http://effbot.org/zone/element.htm#text-content

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mangus580:

Looking for some help with Mythbuntu, HDPVR and channel change scripts – if there is anyone that might be able to set me straight

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tgm4883:

dekarl, so then the description would be in the incorrect placement?

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dekarl:

no, the xml parser is just not working as all the other parsers I know of...

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tgm4883:

hmm

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dekarl:

would be a good argument to remove the description special case as python seems to be the preferred language atm

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tgm4883:

I'd say that the xml is properly formatted, but IDK enough about the spec

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tgm4883:

w3 validation seems to pass on it with 2 warnings

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dekarl:

it is proper, but not in a way that works well is the python elementtree parser...

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tgm4883:

dekarl, you mean just wrap it in <description></description>

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dekarl:

aye, prepare a patch, add the reason and post it towards iam lindoro (see chatlog, he's not into the xml stuff to much, so whoever needs something done should prepare patches)

[23:51:23]

dekarl:

at the end of http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-11-30

[23:52:19]

dekarl:

btw, mangus. sorry thats not something i know anything about

[23:52:40]

tgm4883:

dekarl, yea looking at that. Looks like him or dbl ain

[23:52:48]

mangus580:

thanks dekarl – I am not sure its really HDPVR or Mythbuntu specific though, I think its more channel change scripts

[23:52:59]

dekarl:

well, the fix is simple. just remove the one off handling

[23:53:22]

tgm4883:

dekarl, yep

[23:53:51]

tgm4883:

mangus580, are you trying to use the IR blaster of the HDPVR?

[23:54:19]

mangus580:

tgm4883: yes, I am

[23:54:23]

tgm4883:

mangus580, ok

[23:54:32]

mangus580:

I have it functional using the power test script

[23:54:34]

tgm4883:

I don't know anything about that, I use firewire with mine

[23:54:42]

mangus580:

I just cant get a channel change script to work properly

[23:55:05]

tgm4883:

can you successfully use it from the cmd line?

[23:55:12]

mangus580:

yeah, I dont have firewire in this machine – and I am not positive the STB it belongs on has it either

[23:55:30]

mangus580:

no – I cant seem to find anything that functions properly as a channel change script

[23:59:40]

mangus580:

but – I can type out an irsend command at a command prompt and it works

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