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| [01:00:46] | wizbit: | if i switch my mythfrontend box to opengl in the menu, the whole screen is filled with corrupted pixels, could this mean my gfx card is on its way out? |
| [01:01:00] | wizbit: | it actually crashed the frontend |
| [01:01:09] | wizbit: | the whole box! |
| [01:02:41] | iamlindoro: | If it crashes the whole box, MythTV is not the problem, your video drivers/OpenGL setup is |
| [01:02:56] | iamlindoro: | with an outside possibility of your GPU also being the problem |
| [01:03:11] | wizbit: | ok i will run some tests |
| [01:16:36] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: what GPU? |
| [01:18:24] | wizbit: | Jaton VIDEO 338PCI-LP |
| [01:18:31] | wizbit: | i think the card is damaged |
| [01:18:59] | wagnerrp: | PCI? |
| [01:19:02] | wizbit: | yep |
| [01:19:28] | wizbit: | i think ive found a _dirt_ cheap box capable of hd |
| [01:19:46] | wizbit: | cheaper than what i paid for that graphic card |
| [01:19:50] | wagnerrp: | i half expect an ancient 6200 may not have enough power to run the fading transitions in the menu |
| [01:19:52] | iamlindoro: | That usually ends well |
| [01:19:55] | wagnerrp: | much less the renderer |
| [01:20:17] | wizbit: | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a . . . 3459241.html |
| [01:20:22] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I'd say as a rule of thumb, you should spend more on the overall box than you did for your ancient PCI POS |
| [01:20:24] | wizbit: | i can pick that box up for £70 |
| [01:20:49] | wagnerrp: | you spent more than £70 for PCI 6200? |
| [01:20:57] | wizbit: | yep, because its pci |
| [01:21:02] | wizbit: | that was a while back |
| [01:21:06] | wagnerrp: | well that makes no difference |
| [01:21:14] | wagnerrp: | ive got a PCI 8400 for like $40 |
| [01:21:27] | wizbit: | i might get a HP dc7800p :D |
| [01:22:39] | wagnerrp: | now what does £70 get you? because a Celeron 420 is going to be a piece of junk |
| [01:23:06] | wagnerrp: | hell, half the processors on that list are really too slow to bother with |
| [01:23:12] | wizbit: | HP dc7800p Ultra Slim Desktop Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz/2GB DDR2/160GB HDD/DVD-RW/No AC |
| [01:23:40] | wagnerrp: | is that with real graphics? or the POS GMA3100? |
| [01:23:42] | wizbit: | that also has a pci express slot |
| [01:23:54] | wizbit: | i will stick a nvidia card inside it |
| [01:24:33] | ** wagnerrp wonders if this box will be the "perfect" frontend ** | |
| [01:24:42] | wizbit: | not perfect, but _cheap_ |
| [01:24:48] | wizbit: | they are on ebay for £70 |
| [01:24:53] | ** wagnerrp prods iamlindoro ** | |
| [01:27:03] | ** iamlindoro reloads ** | |
| [01:33:08] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: can all core2duo clock speeds over 2.0GHZ be capable of smooth HD playback? |
| [01:33:20] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:33:41] | iamlindoro: | Since "HD Playback" is a nonspecific term |
| [01:33:58] | wagnerrp: | my P3 laptop is capable of smooth HD playback |
| [01:34:10] | iamlindoro: | asterisk asterisk asterisk |
| [01:34:28] | wizbit: | hd playback at 1080P ? |
| [01:34:34] | iamlindoro: | sure |
| [01:34:37] | iamlindoro: | asterisk |
| [01:34:40] | wagnerrp: | at 1200p even |
| [01:34:53] | wizbit: | excellent, i will go for a 2.6GHZ core2duo |
| [01:34:53] | iamlindoro: | eff it, 4K |
| [01:35:03] | wagnerrp: | thats one hundred and twenty Ps better |
| [01:35:15] | wagnerrp: | nah, my graphics card wont push 4K |
| [01:35:46] | iamlindoro: | your card won't do 3996x2160? |
| [01:36:20] | wagnerrp: | nope, 2x1600x1200 is a real, hard limit |
| [01:36:28] | wagnerrp: | only 16MB of VRAM |
| [01:36:41] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [01:36:56] | iamlindoro: | anyway, one of us had better explain to wizbit |
| [01:36:58] | iamlindoro: | you do it |
| [01:38:02] | wizbit: | because my frontend boots via pxe / diskless, that means i can just stick in the new box and thats pretty much it |
| [01:38:22] | wagnerrp: | well... no |
| [01:38:41] | wagnerrp: | taking a linux disk, and sticking it with all new hardware, makes an unhappy linux |
| [01:38:45] | wagnerrp: | PXE is no different |
| [01:38:56] | wagnerrp: | sure it will work, but you cant just do a drop in replacement |
| [01:39:04] | wagnerrp: | you have to reconfigure all sorts of stuff |
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| [02:32:25] | wizbit: | this sexy box has a core2duo chip, and a PCie x16 low profile slot, not bad for £60–70 |
| [02:32:29] | wizbit: | http://images.harlander.com/upload/files/arti . . . /400x400.jpg |
| [02:34:08] | wizbit: | stick in a turtle beach usb digital audio card and a usb mce remote box, job done :D |
| [02:34:56] | wagnerrp: | sexy? that thing is hideous |
| [02:35:08] | wizbit: | i dont think it looks too bad |
| [02:35:12] | wizbit: | its nice and small |
| [02:35:16] | iamlindoro: | He's British, their standard of sexy is much lower |
| [02:35:30] | wagnerrp: | hide it behind your TV, sure.... but i wouldnt have that anywhere within sight |
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| [02:48:00] | jamesd2: | li like my new hp ml350 g6... tough it doesn't have the cute factor and i didn't get it for mythtv.. its one hell of a box.. |
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| [02:49:37] | wagnerrp: | youre not comparing your dual xeon tower to a SFF desktop are you? |
| [02:51:09] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, well kinda... the hp is the sff version as well only takes 2.5" in its drive cages... and its a lot sexier than the box he posted |
| [02:52:35] | wagnerrp: | im looking at some page that seems to indicate a 5U rackmount chassis |
| [02:52:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont care what kind of hard drives you want to put in it, you cant call that SFF |
| [02:52:47] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:55:29] | jamesd2: | nah this is large factor http://www.e-business.com/sun/sune25k.html |
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| [03:10:56] | cryptide: | hola |
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| [03:21:37] | cryptide: | is the commercial detection good enough to discard the original files after I transcode a show? |
| [03:22:15] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [03:22:26] | wagnerrp: | because commercial detection is not applied when you transcode |
| [03:23:48] | cryptide: | wagnerrp: I meant that if I do commercial detection and trim them, then transcode |
| [03:24:07] | wagnerrp: | trim them? |
| [03:24:19] | cryptide: | cut them out of the video |
| [03:24:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, commercial detection lists are not used to cut anything out of the video |
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| [03:27:39] | wagnerrp: | now you can go into edit mode, create a cutlist, and use that to clip out ads during transcoding |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | you can load the skip list in edit mode, but aside from some cursory guides, it really doesnt save you much time |
| [03:28:13] | cryptide: | wagnerrp: i'm talking about exporting out of mythtv |
| [03:28:37] | cryptide: | so I'd need to actually do a cut list |
| [03:29:07] | cryptide: | i'm just worried that i'm going to lose something and not have the original file |
| [03:29:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not export out of mythtv |
| [03:29:26] | wagnerrp: | there is nuvexport, but that isnt really integrated in any manner |
| [03:29:36] | wagnerrp: | all internal transcodes replace the recording file |
| [03:29:50] | cryptide: | wagnerrp: i'm doing it with your script |
| [03:29:57] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [03:30:14] | wagnerrp: | if this is mpeg2/ac3 content |
| [03:30:28] | wagnerrp: | your best option is to do a lossless transcode in mythtv |
| [03:30:34] | wagnerrp: | and then do whatever you want externally |
| [03:30:46] | iamlindoro: | which under no circumstances should you do sight unseen |
| [03:30:47] | iamlindoro: | ever |
| [03:31:07] | iamlindoro: | You need to personally load the skip list into a cutlist, amd manually check it. always. |
| [03:32:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: whats your thought on removing the 'load skip list' option entirely? |
| [03:32:22] | wagnerrp: | split the edit bar into a top and bottom |
| [03:32:30] | wagnerrp: | top is your editable cutlist |
| [03:32:40] | wagnerrp: | bottom is the skip list, always displayed, for use as a guide |
| [03:33:29] | cryptide: | iamlindoro: that is what I thought |
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| [05:11:30] | HDPrime_: | anyone know how to make strm files that use virtual channels |
| [05:12:38] | wagnerrp: | strm files? |
| [05:13:25] | wagnerrp: | that looks like some special xbmc file type |
| [05:15:00] | HDPrime_: | yeah |
| [05:15:03] | wagnerrp: | the only references i see to them are on xbmc (and boxee and plex) related pages |
| [05:15:08] | HDPrime_: | yeah |
| [05:15:15] | wagnerrp: | so this is the mythtv channel |
| [05:15:17] | HDPrime_: | what does myth tv use to tune channels |
| [05:15:41] | wagnerrp: | you tell it where the tuner is, and then you pull a channel lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [05:16:11] | iamlindoro: | more precisely, it uses no type of file, but rather information in the database |
| [05:16:19] | HDPrime_: | ok |
| [05:16:30] | iamlindoro: | if you want help with XBMC you will likely need to get it from an XBMC channel |
| [05:16:31] | wagnerrp: | nothing so crude as a text file containing a URL to a web server |
| [05:16:52] | HDPrime_: | yeah I am not even trying to use xmbc |
| [05:17:04] | HDPrime_: | I am trying to stream tv with subsonic |
| [05:17:15] | HDPrime_: | and I have it working with some channels |
| [05:18:13] | wagnerrp: | in any case, we did not write subsonic, we do not use the same methods to access the HDHR as subsonic, we do not provide support for subsonic |
| [05:18:33] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses the native communications library released by silicon dust |
| [05:18:57] | HDPrime_: | ok thanks for the info |
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| [05:19:29] | wagnerrp: | why do they come here? |
| [05:20:18] | iamlindoro: | "I know it's off topic, but there's a lot of great knowledge in this group..." |
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| [05:22:07] | ** iamlindoro is surprised nobody else/the OP hasn't responded in the "Why don't you put out a release to prove you're still working" thread ** | |
| [05:22:31] | wagnerrp: | so i found some page showing how to make strm files |
| [05:22:50] | wagnerrp: | they literally are nothing more than a URL in an ascii file |
| [05:23:00] | wagnerrp: | every so slightly easier to make than an ASX file |
| [05:23:13] | wagnerrp: | which is a URL in an ascii file with bits of xml-like markup |
| [05:23:41] | wagnerrp: | which begs the question, why write a new file spec? |
| [05:23:53] | wagnerrp: | its it because ASX is evil microsoft or something? |
| [05:25:29] | iamlindoro: | no idea |
| [05:26:42] | wagnerrp: | its been decades since we started using Xwindows version 11, someone better get on that sh-- and update it! |
| [05:26:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's a patch in progress on my system |
| [05:26:50] | dekarl[1]: | "but I can point it at the NasaTV/AlJazeera/Reuters m3u8 and it play, bad mythtv no do, now you!" telling them that, well MythtvTV doesnt have a recorder for that, yet, won't cut it methinks |
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| [05:27:17] | sphery: | includes ability to navigate by flag list or other marks (to include bookmarks and more) |
| [05:27:26] | wagnerrp: | fancy |
| [05:27:29] | sphery: | eventually blank frames and stuff |
| [05:27:52] | wagnerrp: | blank frames would be another markup type populated by the commflagger? |
| [05:27:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:28:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: he doesnt want to start a flame ware |
| [05:29:06] | wagnerrp: | i guess hes heard us mock applications with flame animations |
| [05:29:09] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:30:40] | dekarl-tour: | sphery: notice that crids work completly different from the TMS IDs. While it wouldn't be the worst idea to take a look at them as they enable stuff like "I missed all airings of an episode, lets get it from the video on demand service instead" you still need to come up with all the content resolver stuff |
| [05:31:14] | dekarl-tour: | as a crid can refer to "one airing of an episode" or "on episode" or "the whole season" or "the series" or "all james bond movies" etc pp |
| [05:31:41] | dekarl-tour: | so imho completly out of scope for 0.25 |
| [05:32:32] | dekarl-tour: | but one could look up metadata (pictures) using the crid from the atlas service if I understood that service correctly |
| [05:43:10] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [05:44:17] | dekarl-tour: | link to what? Atlas or CRIDs/TV-Anytime? |
| [05:45:33] | dekarl-tour: | http://atlas.metabroadcast.com/ http://www.tv-anytime.org/ ;) |
| [05:45:37] | wagnerrp: | the atlas service... is it something online? or broadcast data? |
| [05:46:05] | dekarl-tour: | its the out sourced data aggregation service of the BBC and some other UK stations (now with some IT data, too) |
| [05:46:41] | dekarl-tour: | might be of possible use for the iPlayer / tv_grab_uk_rt backends, too |
| [05:56:04] | dekarl-tour: | the atlas data model seems to be structured about the same as the tv-anytime model, so that might help with understanding, too |
| [05:56:59] | wagnerrp: | i could put something together that would output the mythtv grabber format in about 45 minutes |
| [05:58:11] | dekarl-tour: | metadata grabber? |
| [05:58:46] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo, mythmetadatagrabber |
| [05:59:00] | wagnerrp: | er, mythmetadatalookup |
| [05:59:34] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format |
| [05:59:41] | dekarl-tour: | might be a nice test bed for starting some cooperation. Looking at their data theres lots of images with just grey, or the station logo |
| [06:01:37] | wagnerrp: | huh... odd time for a helo to be flying overhead |
| [06:05:24] | Beirdo: | wonder when they'll let the WD green thread die |
| [06:05:44] | wagnerrp: | about eight months ago |
| [06:05:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:05:57] | wagnerrp: | when the first batch of users gave up on it |
| [06:05:58] | Beirdo: | wishful thinking |
| [06:06:10] | Beirdo: | it got us one good thing anyways |
| [06:06:24] | Beirdo: | hdparm now can tweak the spindown for them |
| [06:06:43] | Beirdo: | although it pains me to say it ;) |
| [06:09:05] | dekarl-tour: | hm, having a tvbainz as upstream for atlas would be nice, they seem to be missing a common programme database (like tvdb/tmdb) in their feed mix |
| [06:09:17] | dekarl-tour: | meh, tvbrainz |
| [06:10:17] | wagnerrp: | you know youre too far from your monitor when you read that as 'mmm, tvbrainz' |
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| [06:11:25] | dekarl-tour: | :) http://kiroge.deviantart.com/art/TV-Brainz-110911841 |
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| [06:28:57] | wagnerrp: | ok, lets get started on this thing... |
| [06:38:52] | Blinny: | I have so many OT questions. |
| [06:39:56] | dekarl-tour: | try #ot ? |
| [06:40:05] | dekarl-tour: | ;) |
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| [07:19:17] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-tour: well ive got.... something |
| [07:19:33] | wagnerrp: | but its still rather clumsy after 45 minute |
| [07:29:28] | wagnerrp: | why arent you getting populated... |
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| [07:34:54] | wagnerrp: | thats why... i screwed up that tiny little bit of subclass handling when i rewrote the metaclass constructor |
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| [07:45:31] | wagnerrp: | well i know what the problem is, im just not sure the best way to go about solving it |
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| [11:34:34] | dekarl-tour: | wagnerrp: I've been wondering about that, too. At least we can talk about it in their group, fork, patch and submit pullup requests |
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| [13:21:54] | stuartm: | I'm looking for a DVD/blu-ray database that has a friendly license and API? Does anyone know of one? |
| [13:22:54] | stuartm: | particularly something that allows lookups by disc id and returns a name/description for each video title so we can put something useful in the OSD |
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| [13:36:32] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-tour: wondering about what? what group? |
| [13:39:53] | Seeker`: | stuartm: tmdb has a media id lookup |
| [13:40:09] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if joachim langenbach has ever used a wii |
| [13:40:34] | Seeker`: | but i dont think they have a good mapping between DVD titles and actual metadata |
| [13:40:53] | wagnerrp: | not quite |
| [13:41:23] | wagnerrp: | theres some tool that captures a number of different data points, and uses it to create a fairly unique ID of the disc in question |
| [13:41:39] | wagnerrp: | that works much better than the title alone |
| [13:41:46] | stuartm: | Seeker`: hmm, might be something I add to their feature wishlist, same for tvdb I guess |
| [13:42:38] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: each disc (CD/DVD/Blu-ray) has a unique id we can read, it's what CDDB and others already key off |
| [13:43:10] | wagnerrp: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.1/methos/Media.addID |
| [13:43:25] | wagnerrp: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.1/methods/Media.getInfo |
| [13:44:31] | stuartm: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.1/ids-hashes |
| [13:44:51] | Seeker`: | The question is once you have the metadata back, can you say 'I'm watching titleX on this disc, what feature is it' |
| [13:44:53] | stuartm: | so yes, you can register the disc id, so that gets us a solution for films |
| [13:45:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but registering the ID is a bit hairy |
| [13:45:33] | wagnerrp: | theres some setup where the software has to negotiate an individual user key |
| [13:45:49] | wagnerrp: | nothing so open as just the API key |
| [13:50:51] | stuartm: | nowhere in the html interface to register it :( |
| [13:52:37] | stuartm: | what I'm thinking is that user inserts a disc, we do a lookup and pull at a minimum a title and description, maybe other metadata if available so that we can put something in the OSD instead of nothing |
| [13:53:23] | stuartm: | we could also offer a better play dialog too, e.g. Play Inception (DVD) instead of just Play DVD |
| [13:54:08] | stuartm: | we could generate a hash, but on a disc that's going to be slow and disruptive |
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| [14:02:32] | stuartm: | tvdb collects discid info, but there's no way to query it and they only allow one disc id per episode which doesn't allow for regional variations |
| [14:02:44] | stuartm: | well this sucks |
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| [14:28:07] | dekarl-tour: | wagnerrp: I thought you were talking about the search results from atlas only containing the episode ids instead of coming with a more populated episode artefact (like containing episode title and number) |
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| [15:37:08] | jello: | is there any way i can load an existing channels.conf into mythtv? |
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| [15:40:21] | dekarl-tour: | jello: doing that is frowned upon as its likely to not work as expected. why do you want to do that in the first place? |
| [16:00:31] | jello: | dekarl-tour: because when i used schedules-direct it misnamed the channels |
| [16:01:18] | jello: | and i already fixed them in my channels.conf when i was testing using VLC |
| [16:07:00] | dekarl-tour: | may I suggest to report the errors to SD so they can simply fix it? (you can easily change the channel names in mythweb in one long list) |
| [16:09:02] | dekarl-tour: | see http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=922 |
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| [16:34:13] | jello: | is there any way i can force mythtv to encode all audio into AC3 or DTS |
| [16:34:46] | jello: | it seems that my receiver only handles encoded streams for 5.1 output |
| [16:34:47] | wagnerrp: | jello: in the audio setup, there is a mechanism to allow re-encoding for use with multi-channel digital passthrough on old systems |
| [16:35:01] | wagnerrp: | old systems being ones using the old SPDIF interface |
| [16:35:17] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-tour: no, i was complaining about my own parser library |
| [16:35:37] | jello: | wagnerrp: i'm using HDMI, does that matter? |
| [16:35:55] | jello: | and do you know where in the audio setup? i haven't found anything... |
| [16:36:08] | wagnerrp: | i wrote a parser library that auto-magically builds objects based off some rather simple definition you set up |
| [16:36:17] | wagnerrp: | i wrote it for the TMDBv3 grabber |
| [16:36:19] | dekarl-tour: | wagnerrp: yeah, I figured that when I re-read it |
| [16:36:30] | wagnerrp: | and was intending to use it in the bindings with the services API and wsdl sheets |
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| [16:36:44] | wagnerrp: | jello: is it really HDMI? or just SPDIF over HDMI? |
| [16:37:07] | wagnerrp: | "real" HDMI will support however many channels of LPCM you might want to send it |
| [16:37:16] | wagnerrp: | while SPDIF will only handle 2-channel LPCM |
| [16:37:32] | wagnerrp: | "real" starts at HDMI 1.2 or 1.3, i dont recall which |
| [16:37:53] | jello: | wagnerrp: the receiver is a Denon AVR-1312 |
| [16:37:59] | jello: | i think it does hdmi 1.3 |
| [16:38:24] | wagnerrp: | 1.4a |
| [16:38:42] | wagnerrp: | so dont bother doing any audio postprocessing |
| [16:38:55] | wagnerrp: | go into the audio setup, select the HDMI device, and tell it to pass everything you can through |
| [16:39:03] | wagnerrp: | your receiver should be able to handle all of it |
| [16:39:38] | wagnerrp: | all of it thats standard anyway... AC3, DTS, LPCM, DTSMA, and THD |
| [16:39:49] | wagnerrp: | i doubt much if anything supports MP3 or AAC over HDMI |
| [16:40:49] | jello: | okay, thanks |
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| [16:41:02] | jello: | now, how do i remap the channels i got from schedules-direct |
| [16:41:19] | jello: | for example, it thinks BONTV is IDTV |
| [16:41:50] | wagnerrp: | delete them all, rescan using the internal scanner rather than a channels.conf, and then go into the channel editor and set the xmltvids manually |
| [16:42:05] | wagnerrp: | is this broadcast or cable? |
| [16:42:08] | jello: | cable |
| [16:42:16] | jello: | time warner |
| [16:42:26] | jello: | i did a scan |
| [16:42:33] | jello: | and that's how it got messed up |
| [16:42:37] | wagnerrp: | well with TW, youre only going to get the local broadcast channels, which should be named |
| [16:42:45] | jello: | they're not |
| [16:42:56] | wagnerrp: | well then TW screwed up |
| [16:43:00] | jello: | when i used w_scan to create a channels.conf they were all blank |
| [16:43:08] | jello: | yes, TWC is usually screwed up |
| [16:43:10] | wagnerrp: | theyre supposed to transmit that stuff along with the video |
| [16:43:29] | wagnerrp: | in any case, after your scan, run mythfilldatabase once |
| [16:43:33] | jello: | i guess that's what happens when i'm only paying for cable modem service and no tv service |
| [16:43:36] | wagnerrp: | it will attempt to match any named channel with your lineup |
| [16:43:53] | wagnerrp: | well then stop using the cable, and prop up an antenna |
| [16:44:03] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be losing any channels |
| [16:44:08] | wagnerrp: | and you will likely end up with better service |
| [16:44:20] | jello: | i'm in manhattan, antennas are not going to do me much good |
| [16:44:36] | jello: | too many tall buildings |
| [16:44:57] | wagnerrp: | apartment doesnt provide an antenna drop? |
| [16:45:02] | jello: | nope |
| [16:45:23] | jello: | anyways, i did the scan, and ran mythfilldatabase |
| [16:45:32] | jello: | and all the channels are wrong |
| [16:46:02] | wagnerrp: | can you use the 'watch tv' on the frontend? |
| [16:46:06] | jello: | yes |
| [16:46:22] | wagnerrp: | do so, mark down each channel number, and what station you think it is |
| [16:46:27] | jello: | but when i tune to what it thinks is IDTV, i see BONTV |
| [16:46:35] | wagnerrp: | then close the frontend and backend, go into mythtv-setup, and the channel editor |
| [16:46:43] | jello: | where do i see the channel number? |
| [16:46:55] | jello: | i have channel logos – no numbers |
| [16:46:56] | wagnerrp: | it will show it on the OSD when you select channels |
| [16:47:02] | wagnerrp: | it should show both |
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| [16:47:35] | jello: | i see two numbers in the guide... |
| [16:47:48] | jello: | eg. 23–84 and underneath it 2314 |
| [16:48:01] | wagnerrp: | 23–84, thats what you care about |
| [16:48:18] | jello: | can you explain what that is? |
| [16:48:25] | jello: | does it appear in channels.conf |
| [16:48:34] | jello: | because i've already mapped them in my channels.conf |
| [16:48:38] | wagnerrp: | on the schedules direct site, you can mouse over individual channels, and there will be a popup displaying the xmltvid |
| [16:48:38] | jello: | er, remapped |
| [16:48:55] | wagnerrp: | those are the physical channel (23) and the virtual stream (84) |
| [16:49:06] | wagnerrp: | its the two values you need to tune a digital channel |
| [16:49:27] | jello: | are they in hex or decimal? |
| [16:49:34] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor, find the channel that uses those two values, and apply the xmltvid to it |
| [16:49:44] | wagnerrp: | it may be easier to use the channel editor in mythweb if you have it set up |
| [16:49:59] | jello: | okay, how do i do that? |
| [16:50:23] | wagnerrp: | in the channel editor |
| [16:50:32] | jello: | no, set up mythweb? |
| [16:50:46] | jello: | i installed the debian package |
| [16:50:47] | wagnerrp: | depends entirely on your distro |
| [16:50:51] | jello: | is there anything else? |
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| [16:51:08] | wagnerrp: | there is the web root, and the conf |
| [16:51:25] | wagnerrp: | the conf tells apache how to deal with the web root, where it is, and the database access credentials |
| [16:51:46] | wagnerrp: | make sure that information is correct, and just put the files where debian expects apache stuff to go |
| [16:51:51] | jello: | when i go to Web, it says no bookmarks defined |
| [16:51:56] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, i dont know enough about debian to explain how to do anything |
| [16:52:24] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about mythbrowser? |
| [16:52:31] | jello: | i guess... |
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| [16:52:37] | jello: | is mythweb something different? |
| [16:52:40] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser is a frontend plugin, a webkit-based browser that you run in mythfrontend |
| [16:52:48] | jello: | i just selected web in mythfrontend |
| [16:52:50] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is a apache web application used to manage and configure mythtv |
| [16:52:51] | jello: | ah, okay |
| [16:53:37] | ** jello looks for mythweb ** | |
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| [16:56:01] | jello: | looks like http://localhost/mythweb/ works out of the box |
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| [16:57:22] | wagnerrp: | settings -> tv -> channel info |
| [16:57:36] | jello: | got it |
| [16:57:37] | wagnerrp: | between the channum and callsign, you should be able to figure out what is what |
| [16:57:56] | jello: | okay, so i find channum 23–84 |
| [16:58:04] | wagnerrp: | then just supply the correct xmltvid, and save at the bottom |
| [16:58:23] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will then update the guide data correctly |
| [16:58:41] | jello: | okay |
| [16:58:49] | wagnerrp: | but i do not believe it will alter the callsign, number, or name |
| [16:58:54] | jello: | do i have to let SD know they have it messed up? |
| [16:59:04] | wagnerrp: | what would SD have messed up? |
| [16:59:20] | jello: | well, whatever did the initial match got it wrong... |
| [16:59:37] | wagnerrp: | are you using a broadcast lineup or a digital cable lineup on SD? |
| [16:59:45] | jello: | digital cable |
| [17:00:00] | jello: | NY31534:X |
| [17:00:29] | wagnerrp: | SD just provides the callsigns and the cable virtual mappings for digital cable channels |
| [17:00:46] | wagnerrp: | the virtual mappings are only available through the out-of-band tuner on a cablecard device |
| [17:00:52] | wagnerrp: | so we do not have access to them |
| [17:00:57] | jello: | so 23–84 is really xmlid 67822, not 16615 |
| [17:01:00] | wagnerrp: | that leaves the lookup dependent on correct callsigns |
| [17:01:13] | jello: | and the callsigns were blank |
| [17:01:16] | wagnerrp: | so if time warner is transmitting incorrect callsigns when they rebroadcast those channels |
| [17:01:46] | wagnerrp: | then the matching performed by mythfilldatabase, using the SD data, will be wrong as well |
| [17:01:54] | wagnerrp: | if the callsigns are blank, there should be no xmltvid set |
| [17:02:29] | wagnerrp: | in any case, the issue is MFD trying to make its best guess based off limited or incorrect data from TWE |
| [17:02:31] | wagnerrp: | TW |
| [17:02:44] | jello: | okay, so all i have to do is change the xmltvid and run mythfilldatabase and it will fix everything else (channel name, callsign)? |
| [17:03:04] | wagnerrp: | it will get the proper guide data, it may or may not fix the name and sign, i dont recall |
| [17:03:16] | ** jello tries one channel... ** | |
| [17:03:34] | wagnerrp: | note, changes in xmltvid wont take effect until you run mFD |
| [17:03:57] | wagnerrp: | additionally, you should be running it with 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all', rather than the stock options |
| [17:04:11] | jello: | err, it's not taking when i click save in mythweb |
| [17:04:20] | jello: | i see the old xmltvid |
| [17:04:26] | wagnerrp: | how many channels do you have? |
| [17:04:39] | jello: | many, but i only changed one xmltvid |
| [17:05:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean, thats one big huge table |
| [17:05:20] | wagnerrp: | if there are too many fields in the table, it may be too large to use |
| [17:05:27] | jello: | fun |
| [17:05:37] | wagnerrp: | meaning you would have to use the editor in mythtv-setup instead |
| [17:05:38] | jello: | it displays fine... |
| [17:05:59] | jello: | just when i click save and look again it's back to the old xmltvid |
| [17:06:08] | wagnerrp: | displaying isnt a problem, its POSTing that data back to the server that has caused issues in the past |
| [17:06:56] | jello: | okay, so i have to close the FE, stop the BE, and run setup to do this, huh |
| [17:08:05] | wagnerrp: | you can leave it all running, but mythtv-setup will warn you if it detects the backend is running |
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| [17:08:16] | wagnerrp: | you may have to restart the backend before any such changes take effect |
| [17:13:47] | jello: | didn't work |
| [17:13:55] | jello: | i still see the old guide info |
| [17:14:09] | jello: | do i need to clear the database somehow so the new stuff downloads? |
| [17:14:26] | wagnerrp: | the --dd-grab-all will flush all the old data out, and insert all new data |
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| [17:15:16] | jello: | trying that now... |
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| [17:19:29] | jello: | woohoo! |
| [17:19:35] | jello: | now for the rest of the channels.... |
| [17:19:44] | jello: | wagnerrp: thanks for your help! |
| [17:22:38] | jello: | wagnerrp: do you know of anyway i can convert the info in my channels.conf (which has the correct channel names) to the channel numbers in mythtv? |
| [17:25:00] | jello: | Nooooooooooooooo |
| [17:25:09] | jello: | mythfrontend is segfaulting now... |
| [17:27:15] | jello: | help!!! |
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| [18:21:33] | wizbit: | are there any working dvb-t2 drivers for linux? |
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| [18:30:27] | wizbit: | holy cows |
| [18:30:31] | ** wizbit wants a PCTV Systems DVB-T2 290e ** | |
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| [18:37:52] | wizbit: | this is _amazing_ news, this could mean its finally time for me to move into the world of HD :D |
| [18:38:23] | wizbit: | mythtv mentioned on amazon :o |
| [18:38:25] | wizbit: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/PCTV-Systems-DVB-T2-n . . . p/B004C1176E |
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| [18:43:07] | andrasj: | I also planned to add a DVB-T tuner, looks interesting... |
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| [18:43:26] | andrasj: | I'm currently stuck with a single analog card |
| [18:44:31] | wagnerrp: | T or T2? theyre different things |
| [18:44:46] | wagnerrp: | no sense getting a T2 if your country isnt in the process of implementing it |
| [18:45:01] | andrasj: | I used to run 0.23 on an unused openSuSE-machine, now I reinstalled and reconfigured everything with a mythbuntu and 0.24 |
| [18:45:24] | andrasj: | but i suffer problems in the FE when switching channels in LifeTV :( |
| [18:45:32] | wagnerrp: | which at the moment i believe means the UK only, not belgium |
| [18:45:53] | andrasj: | didn't heard of T2 |
| [18:46:02] | andrasj: | what's thediff? |
| [18:46:17] | wagnerrp: | an extra number |
| [18:46:34] | andrasj: | lol, i'll check wikipedia |
| [18:46:42] | wagnerrp: | youve head of DVB-S and DVB-S2? same thing |
| [18:47:04] | wagnerrp: | similar protocol, different modulations, codecs, and resolutions |
| [18:47:07] | andrasj: | nope, only knows without numbers :) |
| [18:48:02] | andrasj: | k, as you said belgium... i'll stick with T when time comes (for these additional 4 channels...) |
| [18:48:35] | andrasj: | but digital TV is a pita here, only 1 provider is use non-propretary decoders... |
| [18:48:51] | wagnerrp: | its basically the same thing as 2G/3G/4G cellular techs |
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| [18:49:22] | andrasj: | I saw lot of people suffer problems when switching channels in LiveTV since 0.24 |
| [18:49:38] | wagnerrp: | it all falls under the purview of DVB, but its more highly compressed modulations, tighter intervals, and just generally newer tech to allow higher bitrates |
| [18:49:52] | wagnerrp: | along with any video improvements that come along with those higher bitrates |
| [18:50:08] | andrasj: | do you know if there is any progress/ fix? the bugs and feedback I found is from several months ago |
| [18:50:28] | andrasj: | wagnerrp: tnx, faster than wikipedia :) |
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| [18:51:37] | andrasj: | when i schedule recordings on different channels, the BE is switching and recording fine |
| [18:52:12] | andrasj: | but the FE gives errors: in GUI: "cannot open jump file" |
| [18:52:57] | andrasj: | in logs: Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: 'myth://192.168.... |
| [18:53:59] | andrasj: | Same error happens on the local FE of Master BE as well as on a FE-only machine (and only when switching channel) |
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| [18:54:44] | andrasj: | I can watch the initial channel fine, and also can watch other channels which are already recording |
| [18:55:00] | andrasj: | any ideas? |
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| [19:09:09] | andrasj: | I have exactly same problem as described in by the OP http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1710218 |
| [19:10:12] | andrasj: | changing from RTJpeg to mpeg4 also make the resolution change as soon as I switch channel (channel in LiveTV always has correct resolution) |
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| [19:57:57] | kenni: | wagnerrp: just FYI, we're getting DVB-T2 here in DK in a couple of months – and I'm quite sure that Sweden already has it (it's the same *Swedish* company delivering it to both countries) |
| [20:01:05] | kenni: | yep, appears that it's already been launched in Sweden, so not UK only atm :) |
| [20:01:36] | stuartm: | DVB-S2 and DVB-T2 are just a way to make me spend money replacing all my existing tuners :( |
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| [20:02:46] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought it was just a BBC thing at current |
| [20:03:07] | kenni: | Italy also appears to have DVB-T2 |
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| [20:03:27] | kenni: | at least according to wikipedia |
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| [20:04:48] | stuartm: | BBC were the first to trial it and produce a working demodulator (using a fpcga iirc), it was subsequently rolled out to several regions and should be transmitting in all regions by the end of this year |
| [20:05:48] | stuartm: | I guess the benefits were great enough for several other countries to adopt it almost immediately |
| [20:07:18] | stuartm: | I guess it was about time for an upgrade, DVB-T was first rolled out in the UK something like 14 years ago |
| [20:09:14] | kenni: | Heh, we didn't make the final switch from analog to DVB-T until 2009 ;) So let's hope it'll stay around for a couple of more years |
| [20:10:16] | kenni: | with the FTA channels at least, seems like all commercial HD-channels will be on DVB-T2 only |
| [20:12:15] | stuartm: | kenni: when it first appeared it was a commercial subscription service, that went bankrupt and it only became a public-backed venture at the beginning of the decade, we've still got regions which receive both analogue and digital but the final analogue signals should be switched off this year |
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| [20:16:24] | kenni: | stuartm: ok, we don't have the analog signal anymore. DVB-T2 is only used as a commercial subscription service here at the moment, I haven't heard anything about that the FTA channels will switch to DVB-T2 anytime soon. |
| [20:17:12] | stuartm: | eww, you know the RT data has gone downhill when the description describes the star of the programme by the character's and not the actor's name |
| [20:18:31] | stuartm: | 'Mary Shannon stars' ... no Mary McCormack does ... muppets |
| [20:19:05] | stuartm: | kenni: ah |
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| [20:20:10] | stuartm: | btw, when I said beginning of the decade, I meant the last decade – 2002 to be precise |
| [20:20:56] | stuartm: | it's commercial predecessor launched in 1998 – so we've officially had DVB-T for 13–14 years |
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| [20:23:03] | stuartm: | DVB-T2 since 2009 |
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| [20:38:57] | jello: | how can i change the channel that mythfrontend starts on? |
| [20:39:39] | [R]: | theres tons of discussion about that on the mailinglist |
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| [20:50:13] | dekarl-tour: | hm, I'd swear if seen a short patch to allow the V4l Recorder to record more then one recording without backend restart lately, but I can't find it to help http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /326018.html |
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| [21:38:36] | Beirdo: | read my lips: no new axes! |
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| [23:41:11] | Vollstrecker_: | Hi, guys, got another intressting problem. I copied a dvd into a folderstructure, with IFO, BUP and VOB's, it's played flawless. If I use genisoimage to pack it into an iso, it doesn't play. |
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