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| [01:32:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: are you still a canadian citizen? |
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| [01:35:05] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: might be worth taking a look at this... http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6255/125 |
| [01:35:57] | wagnerrp: | same to any other canucks that are aboot |
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| [01:37:09] | wagnerrp: | knightr: arent you canadian? |
| [01:37:25] | knightr: | wagnerrp, yes, why? |
| [01:37:37] | ** wagnerrp motions at the _very_ recent backlog ** | |
| [01:37:53] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [01:37:53] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [01:38:21] | knightr: | wagnerrp, I just had to reinstall some softwares, so my IRC wasn't active, I'll look at the logs, give me a sec... |
| [01:38:30] | wagnerrp: | whoops, wrong link |
| [01:38:37] | wagnerrp: | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125 |
| [01:38:48] | wagnerrp: | typed the number wrong |
| [01:39:37] | wagnerrp: | in short, notice of public consultation in regards to extending copyright 20 years, and other IP matters |
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| [01:43:25] | knightr: | wagnerrp, thanks, I'll look at it in more depth later but I'll most probably do one of the things they suggested (email, fax or snail mail) against that cr@p... |
| [01:44:02] | knightr: | (I'll also forward it to my brother who will surely find it interesting since he is a lawyer...) |
| [01:44:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: speaking of which, i never did get a response about what we could do in regards to the DMCA circumvention hearing |
| [01:45:12] | knightr: | By the way, Happy New Year Raymond! |
| [01:46:05] | wagnerrp: | you too |
| [01:46:46] | wagnerrp: | be nice if that actually went through, and we could officially support DVD playback |
| [01:47:28] | knightr: | thank you! |
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| [01:48:14] | wagnerrp: | knightr: been ignoring your standard "lose weight, exercise, stop procrastinating' resolutions as i have? |
| [01:48:42] | wagnerrp: | i keep meaning to get around to doing it... |
| [01:48:48] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he gets a vote on that one ** | |
| [01:50:50] | knightr: | wagnerrp, I definitely have to start doing the first two pretty soon... |
| [01:52:44] | knightr: | s/i/i'll |
| [01:56:13] | knightr: | I'm contemplating buying either a rower or a treadmill for home (and a big screen TV to put in front of them make using them less of a chore... :) :) ) |
| [01:56:38] | wagnerrp: | ive got a friend who does that |
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| [01:57:05] | wagnerrp: | put it in the corner of a finished basement, right in front of a wall-mounted 25" or so |
| [01:58:14] | wagnerrp: | i helped him carry the thing into the house maybe two years ago |
| [01:58:39] | knightr: | Did he got a treadmill or a rower? |
| [01:58:42] | wagnerrp: | im the strong, husky (overweight) one, having no problem lifting up my end |
| [01:58:52] | wagnerrp: | hes a lot leaner, and having a really tough time with it |
| [01:58:56] | iamlindoro: | Or if you're a control freak information addicted cyclist, not naming any names, http://www.racermateinc.com/3d.asp |
| [01:59:24] | wagnerrp: | we finally get it around the back and through the basement door when we look at the box and in big letters on the bottom of his side "HEAVY SIDE" |
| [01:59:32] | wagnerrp: | he was not happy about that at all |
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| [01:59:36] | wagnerrp: | treadmill |
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| [02:01:36] | knightr: | wagnerrp, I'm pretty husky myself and I've got more than a few pounds to lose... |
| [02:01:48] | knightr: | iamlindoro, LOL :) |
| [02:02:24] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure i saw that thing on an episode of seaquest |
| [02:03:11] | wagnerrp: | erm... no, thats not it at all |
| [02:04:01] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was supposed to render something to project while using a stationary bike |
| [02:04:17] | knightr: | wagnerrp, I really liked rowers when I used to go to the gym but good quality treadmillsseem to be more readily available around here... |
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| [02:04:24] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, that is what that is |
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| [02:05:18] | wagnerrp: | one of my college friends was big into rowing |
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| [02:06:19] | wagnerrp: | he was the little bastard in the back who wouldnt stop yelling at everyone |
| [02:06:20] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [02:06:29] | knightr: | wagnerrp, oops, it looks like I had missed that remark about the "HEAVY SIDE", ROTFL... :) :) :) |
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| [02:07:51] | knightr: | wagnerrp, LOL... The advantage with the rower I think is that it's a more complete exercise AFAIK... |
| [02:10:51] | iamlindoro: | coxswain |
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| [02:12:55] | wagnerrp: | now to see if i can get a flocking cache implemented for this grabber script |
| [02:14:46] | iamlindoro: | what the flock? |
| [02:15:39] | wagnerrp: | i need it to flock the files so it doesnt get flocked up with concurrent access |
| [02:16:07] | knightr: | iamlindoro, thanks, I hadn't pictured what wagnerrp had said correctly, now I understand what he meant by the guy who wouldn't stop yelling... :) |
| [02:16:52] | iamlindoro: | knightr: My sister was the coxswain on a mens team at her university :) |
| [02:17:04] | iamlindoro: | She's ideally suited-- tiny, and a pain in the ass |
| [02:17:19] | wagnerrp: | real stringy guy, like 5'9" and only 115lbs, huge mouth... perfect coxswain |
| [02:17:46] | iamlindoro: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzODA |
| [02:17:53] | knightr: | LOL, what a nice way to talk about her (a pita) :) :) |
| [02:18:03] | iamlindoro: | knightr: and that's me being nice ;) |
| [02:18:46] | wagnerrp: | still baking... 4000 commits since the last release and counting |
| [02:19:22] | knightr: | ROTFL... By the way Robert, Happy New Year! |
| [02:19:29] | iamlindoro: | And to you! Thank you |
| [02:21:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: well if we ever want to get 0.25 release, weve only got what.... like 340 days left? |
| [02:22:05] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: We haven't slipped that much, XBMC slipped enough that they had to redo their naming scheme ;) |
| [02:22:24] | iamlindoro: | ie "11.04" and "11.10" became "11.0" which will be out in 2012 ;) |
| [02:22:37] | wagnerrp: | i mean before the end of the world |
| [02:23:06] | iamlindoro: | if you want to experience the end of the world, just upgrade to master and ask stupid questions about metadata lookup without reading the wiki |
| [02:23:48] | knightr: | iamlindoro, Thank you! |
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| [02:25:13] | t3514: | anyone here have a ceton infinitv? Do you know how to update firmware in linux? |
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| [02:25:45] | iamlindoro: | all time patience fail! |
| [02:26:27] | rich0: | I've got an lirc question if anybody is up for it: I'm running lirc-0.9.0 on kernel 3.0.6 with an mceusb remote, and I can't get lirc/irw to detect anything. The kernel and x11 do parse some keys directly if I don't disable rc-6 in /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols. Any idea what the issue might be? I've googled and tried everything I can find... |
| [02:26:40] | iamlindoro: | !url lmgtfy test |
| [02:26:40] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=test |
| [02:26:42] | iamlindoro: | sweet |
| [02:26:46] | iamlindoro: | !url lmgtfy ceton infinitv update firmware in linux |
| [02:26:46] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=ceton%20infinitv%20update . . . 20in%20linux |
| [02:26:54] | iamlindoro: | Second hit, in case anyone returns and cares :P |
| [02:27:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im rather wondering what he expects to do with that thing |
| [02:27:16] | wagnerrp: | time warner and all |
| [02:27:38] | wagnerrp: | rich0: i had quite a bit of trouble getting it to work myself, hold on a second |
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| [02:30:04] | wagnerrp: | rich0: looks like i compiled it with lirc_devices_devinput and lirc_devices_userspace |
| [02:30:20] | rich0: | Ok, I don't have userspace enabled – think that matters? |
| [02:30:30] | wagnerrp: | and with LIRCD_OPTS="-H dev/input -d /dev/input/event4" in my conf.d/ |
| [02:30:43] | wagnerrp: | change the input device to match your system |
| [02:31:08] | rich0: | Ok, I have all of that configured, with the exception of lirc_devices_userspace |
| [02:31:21] | rich0: | I'll see if I can give that a shot – just need to recompile... |
| [02:31:29] | wagnerrp: | hold on |
| [02:31:54] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, i also ended up getting all different codes out of it that didnt match those that came in the bundled lircd.conf in the lirc package |
| [02:32:01] | wagnerrp: | so i had to record a new one |
| [02:32:13] | wagnerrp: | run 'mode2' to see if you are actually getting something out of the device |
| [02:32:19] | rich0: | did you try the devinput lircd.conf? I see there is one for that and one for mceusb |
| [02:32:36] | rich0: | for whatever reason mode2 tells me that it doesn't support the device |
| [02:33:07] | wagnerrp: | no i didnt, to be honest, i didnt know there were any available besides whatever the ebuild automatically put into place |
| [02:33:12] | rich0: | This program does not work for this hardware yet |
| [02:33:39] | rich0: | Ok, let me try that. If you're running it on gentoo that is reassuring since that is what I'm using. :) |
| [02:33:55] | rich0: | (trying to switch from minimyth to gentoo/PXE on an nfs root) |
| [02:34:04] | wagnerrp: | kernel 3.0.6 in fact |
| [02:34:57] | wagnerrp: | i looked through a handful of lircds on the myth wiki, but none seemed to match the data i was getting |
| [02:35:21] | rich0: | Ok, gentoo at least sticks a bunch in /usr/share/lirc/remotes I think |
| [02:35:31] | rich0: | I'll see what I get with the userspace driver enabled |
| [02:35:54] | wagnerrp: | hm... so it does |
| [02:36:23] | rich0: | At least with the nfs root I can do the emerge from a peppier box... |
| [02:36:30] | wagnerrp: | well the codes are very much different than the ones i recorded |
| [02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | just the one PXE booted box? |
| [02:38:51] | rich0: | Yup. |
| [02:39:30] | rich0: | Ok, I rebuilt with both the userspace and devinput drivers. I ran lircd pointing to /dev/input/event2, and ran irw, and I'm still not getting anything. |
| [02:39:50] | rich0: | If my lircd.conf has the wrong codes would that prevent irw from showing anything? |
| [02:40:00] | wagnerrp: | seems mode2 doesnt work... i thought it did |
| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | lircd.conf tells lircd how to translate raw codes into named buttons |
| [02:40:30] | wagnerrp: | irw prints out those named buttons |
| [02:40:49] | wagnerrp: | or other programs use lircrc files as definitions on what to do with those named buttons |
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| [02:41:48] | wagnerrp: | well if you want to give it a try, http://pastebin.com/3LEKsEch |
| [02:42:18] | rich0: | Ok, I killed lircd, then tried irrecord -H devinput -d /dev/input/event2 /tmp/test – then I hit a button and got "irrecord: gap not found, can't continue" |
| [02:42:53] | [R]: | you know, there is this problem |
| [02:42:55] | [R]: | program* |
| [02:42:56] | [R]: | um... |
| [02:43:31] | [R]: | inputlirc |
| [02:43:40] | [R]: | its a very simple lirc daemon specifically for input devices |
| [02:44:00] | wagnerrp: | im seeing that more and more |
| [02:44:26] | [R]: | i used to use it when i used a usb ir reciver |
| [02:44:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why it would be any simpler unless they have some utility to pre-select the device and codes, and never sent it back upstream |
| [02:44:41] | [R]: | it doesnt need a config |
| [02:44:43] | [R]: | like lirc does |
| [02:44:51] | rich0: | wagnerrp, now we're getting somewhere! |
| [02:45:15] | wagnerrp: | [R]: then how does it know what codes are what? |
| [02:45:19] | rich0: | I used your lircd.conf, and now I'm getting something on irw |
| [02:45:29] | [R]: | it only works with thigns taht register as standard keyboard buttons |
| [02:45:37] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [02:46:24] | wagnerrp: | rich0: it doesnt follow the standard lirc keyspace, but it does nearly line up with the previous lircd.conf i got from i assume the ebuild |
| [02:46:32] | wagnerrp: | whether that is good or bad for you, dont know |
| [02:48:18] | Beirdo: | Of course I'm still a Canadian :) |
| [02:48:37] | Beirdo: | I have to log in to read whatever that was |
| [02:48:41] | iamlindoro: | but nobody's perfect |
| [02:48:45] | wagnerrp: | no, read the second link |
| [02:48:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:48:52] | wagnerrp: | typed a number wrong |
| [02:49:14] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [02:49:15] | rich0: | Ok, irw reads most of the keys (I'm sure I can figure out the codes for the ones it misses). However, it doesn't look like mythtv is using lirc – it is just getting up/down/left/rt from X directly I think. |
| [02:49:23] | rich0: | Not sure how to enable lirc in mythtv |
| [02:49:45] | wagnerrp: | it should be enabled by default, reading from the correct path |
| [02:50:09] | [R]: | you need to start lirc before X |
| [02:50:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv reads its code mappings from ~/.mythtv/lircrc, rather than the standard ~/.lircrc |
| [02:50:15] | [R]: | so it doesnt try to grab the device |
| [02:50:15] | wagnerrp: | no you dont |
| [02:50:20] | wagnerrp: | ooh, for that |
| [02:50:31] | wagnerrp: | i was just going to say you need to start lirc before mythfrontend |
| [02:50:58] | [R]: | if its getting left/right from x, that means x is listening on the device, you'll probably get double presses |
| [02:51:05] | Beirdo: | anywho, i think I'll go home now. Spent far too long finding out the hard way the undocumented "feature" of hpacucli... |
| [02:51:17] | Beirdo: | It requires the sg module to be preloaded. |
| [02:51:31] | Beirdo: | otherwise it says "I can't find your controller!" |
| [02:52:00] | Beirdo: | only got about 50 servers that need their RAIDs monitored with the help of that turd of a program |
| [02:52:03] | rich0: | If I end up with double-presses I'll deal with that, but right now I'm not getting anything but udlr |
| [02:52:19] | rich0: | I did restart X/myth with lircd running and no luck |
| [02:52:21] | wagnerrp: | rich0: you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [02:52:29] | rich0: | that I don't have. Let me create one |
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| [02:52:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cant do anything with lirc without being told how to map those keys to internal inputs |
| [02:54:23] | rich0: | ok, I copied /etc/lirc/lircrc to ~/.mythtv/lircrc – now none of the keys work including udlr |
| [02:54:29] | rich0: | So, it did something... |
| [02:54:53] | wagnerrp: | post your lirrc |
| [02:55:31] | rich0: | Ah, I see the issue – your namespace doesn't match what I have in lircrc |
| [02:56:06] | rich0: | I'm using the lircrc from minimyth that has keys like KEY_STOP and you have Stop |
| [02:56:20] | rich0: | Do you have a decent lircrc handy? |
| [02:56:29] | wagnerrp: | right, i used some non-standard space when i recorded that, since my lircrc files were based off some other lircd.conf that was also outside the standard lirc space |
| [02:57:14] | rich0: | Ok, maybe I'll just edit your lircd.conf |
| [02:57:27] | wagnerrp: | could do that too |
| [02:57:52] | wagnerrp: | that would probably be easier to retain your old button mapping, than to modify my lircrc |
| [03:05:58] | rich0: | Ok, no duplicate buttons, and I have most of the keys working now. Many thanks. Just need to figure out how to record the menu button... |
| [03:15:22] | rich0: | And I figured out how to get irrecord to work – it doesn't work unless you start with a valid lircd.conf |
| [03:16:10] | wagnerrp: | note that if you do so, it overwrites the entire contents of that file, including any old codes you have |
| [03:17:23] | rich0: | yeah, I did that on a copy |
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| [03:24:43] | Twiggy2cents: | ugh, I know it is not recommended to watch live tv but I hate mythtv at the moment. If you are watching live tv and a recording comes up it gives you the options. Well I had the tv paused and wasnt in the room. Because I didnt tell it what I wanted to do it did not record it. I feel like it should try the 2nd tuner if available first before asking. |
| [03:25:10] | Twiggy2cents: | Disclaimer: I really still love mythtv, but I am just a little upset at it. |
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| [03:25:51] | [R]: | theres a setting |
| [03:25:56] | [R]: | to schedule around livetv |
| [03:26:17] | rich0: | wagnerrp, Thanks for all the help! I'm going to break for now but I think I have lircd basically worked out. Still seems like there are a few issues but video hardware is the next step (accelleration/etc on a zotac ion). |
| [03:26:43] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh I need to set that. |
| [03:26:55] | Twiggy2cents: | Is it in mythtv-setup? |
| [03:27:17] | rich0: | wagnerrp, also, out of curiousity which ebuilds are you using – the github overlay, or portage? I'm trying to get portage up-to-date slowly but surely... |
| [03:27:23] | [R]: | think iits frontend |
| [03:27:31] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay, I will check |
| [03:27:33] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks |
| [03:28:29] | wagnerrp: | rich0: this github overlay? https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo |
| [03:29:12] | rich0: | thanks – that was the one I figured – portage is now on 0.24.1, but it has been out of date for ages |
| [03:29:36] | ** wagnerrp suggests rich0 take a slightly closer look at that page ** | |
| [03:30:26] | ** wagnerrp points specifically at all those blue words in the middle of the page ** | |
| [03:30:40] | Twiggy2cents: | [R], it was in the frontend. I feel like that should be enabled by default. |
| [03:31:02] | [R]: | no, it shouldn't |
| [03:31:15] | [R]: | livetv shouldn't screw up the scheduling |
| [03:31:19] | [R]: | its just compeltely complicates things |
| [03:31:32] | rich0: | wagnerrp, huh? That is the upstream github overlay. |
| [03:31:52] | ** wagnerrp points harder at those little blue words in the middle of the page ** | |
| [03:31:59] | rich0: | which ones? |
| [03:32:15] | [R]: | wagnerrp: we can't see you pointing... |
| [03:32:17] | wagnerrp: | the ones in the middle |
| [03:32:31] | wagnerrp: | theres big white columns on either side |
| [03:32:38] | wagnerrp: | and then a column of blue on the left |
| [03:32:46] | wagnerrp: | and one blue word in the upper right |
| [03:32:51] | wagnerrp: | and a bunch more in the middle |
| [03:32:55] | Seeker`: | evening |
| [03:33:09] | rich0: | Ah, gotcha |
| [03:33:11] | rich0: | history... |
| [03:33:17] | wagnerrp: | no, not the history |
| [03:33:19] | Twiggy2cents: | [R], you are right that it messes with the scheduler but livetv in it's self messes with the scheduler so it is sorta fixing it. |
| [03:33:23] | wagnerrp: | one thes to the left, and down |
| [03:33:27] | wagnerrp: | the middle |
| [03:33:41] | wagnerrp: | s/one thes/the ones/ |
| [03:33:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:33:56] | Twiggy2cents: | If it has two tuners with the same source it should by default try to record off of the other one |
| [03:33:58] | wagnerrp: | not entirely sure how that happened... |
| [03:34:06] | rich0: | ie, the fact that you wrote half of it? :) |
| [03:34:13] | wagnerrp: | ding ding... :P |
| [03:34:15] | [R]: | Twiggy2cents: theres a way to make livetv start on the 2nd also |
| [03:34:28] | Twiggy2cents: | I suppose that the woudl work to |
| [03:34:30] | Twiggy2cents: | too* |
| [03:34:59] | rich0: | Thanks – I've been making use of it – I'm generally following it for the portage catchup. I'm merging the eclass into the ebuilds for now until I can update them, and incorporating some gentoo patches that aren't in your ebuilds. |
| [03:35:06] | Twiggy2cents: | I just enabled the settings to let it choose the less common tuner and to push other schedules to the other recorder if it is watching tv |
| [03:35:44] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats your doing? thanks |
| [03:35:46] | rich0: | Try diffing 0.24.1 against portage and other than the eclass merging look for some of the other changes (hasq, etc) |
| [03:35:53] | wagnerrp: | i figured car doe had gotten active again |
| [03:36:13] | rich0: | Yup, ping me at any time, or contact mythtv@gentoo.org . Cardoe is still around, but preoccupied. |
| [03:36:17] | wagnerrp: | is that in reference to some of the deprecated message warnings? |
| [03:36:39] | rich0: | I have to mind the WAF so I won't be able to run bleeding edge as much as he did, but I'll try to keep the stable versions up-to-date. |
| [03:36:41] | wagnerrp: | s/message/command/ |
| [03:36:55] | rich0: | yes, s/hasq/has usually fixes that one |
| [03:37:02] | rich0: | I think there were other changes. |
| [03:38:42] | wagnerrp: | will do |
| [03:39:04] | wagnerrp: | actually, im surprised cardoe isnt in here |
| [03:39:08] | wagnerrp: | hes usually idling around |
| [03:39:11] | wagnerrp: | !seen cardoe |
| [03:39:11] | MythLogBot: | cardoe was last seen 1 day 4 hours 31 minutes 54 seconds ago |
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| [04:01:26] | Beirdo: | ahhh, Pandora and decent bluetooth headset... makes the bus ride home much more relaxing |
| [04:02:29] | Beirdo: | Nothing quite like "Megadeth Radio" to drown out the crazies |
| [04:04:45] | iamlindoro: | with your own group of crazies? |
| [04:05:07] | Beirdo: | hehe, at least those ones aren't on the bus with me physically :) |
| [04:05:14] | iamlindoro: | true |
| [04:05:48] | Beirdo: | I gotta get myself into shape so I actually USE my bike. |
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| [04:05:55] | Beirdo: | sigh. |
| [04:06:12] | iamlindoro: | I gues January in Seattle probably isn't biking weather |
| [04:06:15] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to be in shape to use a bike |
| [04:06:17] | Beirdo: | oops, revealed new year's resolution :) |
| [04:06:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you do in Seattle |
| [04:06:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean it helps, but just about anyone should be able to manage a couple miles |
| [04:06:42] | wagnerrp: | thats what gears are for |
| [04:06:43] | Beirdo: | it's the steep hills all over that make the difference |
| [04:06:47] | ** iamlindoro will ride in the chill 62 degree temps tomorrow ;) ** | |
| [04:06:51] | iamlindoro: | er chilly |
| [04:06:58] | iamlindoro: | brrr! |
| [04:07:00] | Beirdo: | Yeah, I used to bike in -20C |
| [04:07:09] | Beirdo: | I don't care about the temperature THAT much :) |
| [04:07:39] | Beirdo: | it's 35–50F here these days, depending on the day |
| [04:07:57] | wagnerrp: | mid 60s around here these days |
| [04:08:04] | Beirdo: | need to get a BIT more fit before taking the bike into traffic :) |
| [04:08:28] | Beirdo: | not terribly much though... and living at the top of a hill... may not have been the best choice in that regards :) |
| [04:09:16] | Beirdo: | so, for now, the bike gets to camp out in my office/second bedroom and taunt me |
| [04:10:15] | Beirdo: | http://www.rei.com/product/807231/novara-pond . . . er-bike-2012 |
| [04:10:21] | Beirdo: | that one, but mine's 2011 |
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| [04:11:08] | wagnerrp: | 27 speed? you know, at some point that rear sprocket just gets a bit excessive |
| [04:11:43] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah well. I didn't design it |
| [04:11:53] | Seeker`: | you end up lugging around more gear than person |
| [04:12:18] | wagnerrp: | i still need to get mine fixed |
| [04:12:18] | Beirdo: | not likely for me |
| [04:12:43] | Beirdo: | it's hard to get more than this person, unfortunately |
| [04:12:45] | wagnerrp: | its bent, high gear on the front sprocket doesnt hold under heavy torque |
| [04:12:51] | Beirdo: | eeek |
| [04:12:51] | wagnerrp: | and drops back to the mid gear |
| [04:12:57] | Beirdo: | that's no good at all |
| [04:13:18] | Beirdo: | I still need to get SPD pedals again like I had on my last bike |
| [04:13:21] | wagnerrp: | almost enough to make you lose your balance |
| [04:13:30] | wagnerrp: | spd... those the clip on ones? |
| [04:14:36] | wagnerrp: | its fairly old though, maybe 15yrs and somewhere past 2k miles |
| [04:14:55] | iamlindoro: | spd = Shimano Pedal Design |
| [04:14:59] | Beirdo: | http://www.rei.com/product/668198/shimano-m324-spd-pedals |
| [04:14:59] | iamlindoro: | one type of clipless |
| [04:15:06] | Beirdo: | I think those were the ones I had |
| [04:15:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, really helps on the hills as you pull with one leg as you push with the other |
| [04:16:17] | wagnerrp: | assuming you do a lot of biking such that you actually build up those muscles for them to help |
| [04:16:32] | Beirdo: | I had some fun exciting times when I first got them and didn't get into the habit yet of clipping out when I stopped |
| [04:16:34] | wagnerrp: | i imagine those things really dont get much use outside of that |
| [04:16:47] | Beirdo: | not much, correct :) |
| [04:17:02] | Beirdo: | some do for walking, but not nearly to that level |
| [04:17:03] | iamlindoro: | I need a new set of pedals, mine are tore up |
| [04:17:07] | iamlindoro: | http://sparkbrs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/spembsfl.jpg |
| [04:17:26] | Beirdo: | pretty :) |
| [04:17:40] | iamlindoro: | yup, Speedplay |
| [04:17:43] | wagnerrp: | like the one guy on my street that frequently runs backwards (he knows enough not to jog) |
| [04:17:46] | Beirdo: | definitely a different clip mechanism, what's the release? |
| [04:18:04] | wagnerrp: | but running backwards only builds up the muscles to make you better at running backwards |
| [04:18:22] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: same as any clipless, twist |
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| [04:19:00] | Beirdo: | K. cool :) |
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| [04:19:13] | iamlindoro: | the tiny grooves on each side snap into the cleat, and match up with an open space about 40 degrees rotated around |
| [04:19:34] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [04:21:05] | Beirdo: | I can see how that would be a good set for the uses you have :) |
| [04:21:56] | iamlindoro: | They're pretty much "the" pedal type of triathlon and high end cycling, though I don't put stock in that-- there just happens to be a reason they are |
| [04:22:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, gotcha |
| [04:22:16] | Beirdo: | they fit the need best |
| [04:24:39] | iamlindoro: | Just got a $400 Apple gift card from work... so do I... a) wait for the iPad 3 to come out in the next couple months and adapt the Myth app for iPad to it, b) get an iPhone 4 S, c) sell it on eBay and spend it on hookers and blow |
| [04:25:15] | Beirdo: | hhee |
| [04:25:30] | Beirdo: | maybe wait for the iPhone 5? |
| [04:25:31] | [R]: | hookers and blow |
| [04:25:33] | [R]: | do you even have to ask? |
| [04:25:43] | Beirdo: | although c) does sound like an interesting option |
| [04:27:47] | [R]: | synergy rules |
| [04:28:59] | iamlindoro: | I'm thinking it's time to buy a new bike once the tax refund comes in |
| [04:29:24] | iamlindoro: | Current one is nice, but I put enough miles in that it's not out of the question to get a little ridiculous :) |
| [04:30:26] | Beirdo: | heh, sounds like a reasonable plan |
| [04:35:29] | iamlindoro: | http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2012/TT-TRI/T . . . ies/DA3.aspx |
| [04:35:31] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, sexy |
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| [04:40:02] | Beirdo: | nice... |
| [04:40:13] | Beirdo: | I love the "Pedals: N/A" |
| [04:40:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:40:25] | Beirdo: | umm, they are too applicable, just not included :) |
| [04:40:42] | iamlindoro: | Heh, yeah, high end never comes with pedals |
| [04:40:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you know much about flock? |
| [04:40:56] | Beirdo: | the first thing you'd do is replace em anyways |
| [04:41:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: as in sheep, the syscall, or the /bin/flock? :) |
| [04:41:39] | wagnerrp: | syscall |
| [04:41:56] | Beirdo: | I have used it before |
| [04:42:13] | wagnerrp: | if im reading this right, the lock is only specific to the file, not the file descriptor |
| [04:42:16] | Beirdo: | it's kinda synonymous to windows file sharing locks |
| [04:42:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning i can open a file, lock it, close that file, open a new one under a new descriptor, and unlock it against the new one? |
| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | (same file, new descriptor) |
| [04:43:14] | Beirdo: | don't think so |
| [04:43:37] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, let me brush up on that, my recollection is that if you close it, it will unlock |
| [04:43:54] | wagnerrp: | dont worry about it, ill figure it out through experimentation soon enough |
| [04:44:09] | Beirdo: | Furthermore, the lock is released either by an explicit LOCK_UN operation on any of these duplicate descriptors, or when all such descriptors have been closed. |
| [04:44:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, if you close the last descriptor with a lock on the file, it unlocks |
| [04:44:35] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see |
| [04:44:55] | wagnerrp: | i was reading it backwards |
| [04:45:04] | Beirdo: | man 2 flock is my source material here |
| [04:45:19] | wagnerrp: | right, looking at it currently |
| [04:45:22] | Beirdo: | now, when extended to python, it could have changed |
| [04:45:30] | Beirdo: | doubtful, but... |
| [04:46:03] | wagnerrp: | nah, all of this stuff is very thinly wrapped around the bare syscalls |
| [04:46:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's what I expected. Can't hurt to be a bit skeptical at first, but yeah, python's pretty good at that :) |
| [04:47:05] | wagnerrp: | well its good at layering |
| [04:47:13] | wagnerrp: | the deeper you go, the closer it is to the raw syscalls |
| [04:47:23] | wagnerrp: | higher up, who knows what youll get |
| [04:47:49] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [04:47:54] | Beirdo: | this zipper is too long |
| [04:48:09] | wagnerrp: | could be worse |
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| [04:48:24] | Beirdo: | hehe, how true |
| [04:48:42] | wagnerrp: | for instance... out at dinner and somehow mine jumps the tracks |
| [04:48:54] | wagnerrp: | thank god for long shirts |
| [04:48:56] | Beirdo: | I wanted to put a zipper that I pulled out of a sweater earlier into a pillow case so I can wash stuff in a zippered bag |
| [04:49:14] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, those moments are not our finest :) |
| [04:50:08] | Beirdo: | hmmm, and this one's like 6" short |
| [04:50:23] | kd3: | is something up with the theme downloader? using up-to-date f16/rpmfusion, getting "downloadRemoteFile(): DOWNLOAD_FILE returned ERROR!" in the console |
| [04:51:15] | wagnerrp: | should be working, nothing has changed in that code in some time |
| [04:51:24] | wagnerrp: | unless maybe the osuosl cache is down |
| [04:56:18] | kd3: | yah, every theme I've tried... arclight, graphite, mythbuntu, etc... keeps showing that error in the console (after ^Cing and restarting the frontend...) |
| [04:58:51] | iamlindoro: | Or unless there's a permissions issue somewhere on the FE or BE |
| [04:59:37] | kd3: | where's it supposed to save to? somewhere in ~/.mythtv? I'm running the fe as an unprivileged (but not 'mythtv') user |
| [05:00:33] | iamlindoro: | Backend downloads to the temp SG, then distributes to the FE, both save it to a path in ~/.mythtv |
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| [05:26:26] | kd3: | ok, running the fe with "-v all" I get this: http://pastebin.com/M00SNd8q |
| [05:26:50] | kd3: | all of the SGs point to the same directory, writable by both my user and the user the be is running under |
| [05:27:36] | iamlindoro: | It's not an SG you have control over |
| [05:28:23] | iamlindoro: | like I said, the BE downloads it, then distributes it to you, so your FE logs are not likely relevant |
| [05:28:50] | iamlindoro: | the downloadfile_directory_not_found is probably coming from the BE, where logs with -v network,file are likely to be more relevant |
| [05:28:56] | iamlindoro: | but that's it for me tonight |
| [05:32:55] | kd3: | oh, ok. duh. SG() Error: Could not create builtinStorage Group directory '/etc/mythtv/tmp' for 'Temp' |
| [05:33:06] | ** kd3 grrs and changes some settings shipped by the RPM... ** | |
| [05:33:29] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for running with a HOME you cant write to |
| [05:33:47] | wagnerrp: | what to do with no home to call its own... |
| [05:37:11] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like our resident Fedora packager who doesn't want MythTv to have a user dir |
| [05:37:21] | iamlindoro: | Clearly, that's working out well |
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| [07:36:16] | snarkster: | so does the topic include no help with mythbuntu? |
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| [07:39:16] | snarkster: | must take like what 4 hours to get any help here? |
| [07:39:39] | snarkster: | just like the mythbuntu help channel |
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| [07:50:58] | wagnerrp: | four hours? you left after four minutes |
| [07:51:01] | wagnerrp: | retard... |
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| [11:16:27] | justinh: | hmm. this patch command is taking a while |
| [11:17:31] | justinh: | duh. forgot the < |
| [11:19:09] | stuartm: | heh, ever used grep without a path? It just sits there doing nothing, it doesn't error out it just looks like it's taking a really long time |
| [11:19:39] | stuartm: | when the path you were searching is . it's easy to miss spotting the mistake |
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| [11:22:44] | kmdm: | Hi guys, quick question if I may ;) Recently setup FreeSat with a DVB-S2 card, renumbered the channel numbers to be in the normal range (101, 102, etc...) but if I use chanup/chandown while watching live tv it seems to browse the channels a) in a weird order and b) include channels from the channel table that are visible = '0', any ideas/advice? thanks! |
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| [11:23:28] | stuartm: | starting with the obvious answer and working backwards, did you restart the backend after making those changes? |
| [11:23:55] | kmdm: | hm, interesting – I didn't, but only because the updates to channum took effect without making the changes... I'll try restarting. |
| [11:24:21] | stuartm: | the backend caches some things but not others |
| [11:24:35] | justinh: | I dunno if it's entirely safe to change channel details while the backend is still up |
| [11:24:53] | justinh: | time to try this search patch on the frontend now :-) |
| [11:25:48] | justinh: | heheheh. like 20 seconds instead of > 2 minutes. that's what I call an improvement |
| [11:26:42] | stuartm: | justinh: you actually use the time search? |
| [11:26:45] | justinh: | stuartm: yeah sometimes I do forget the path in a grep.. sometimes I fail big style |
| [11:27:05] | justinh: | stuartm: not often, but when theming there's no avoiding some things |
| [11:27:12] | stuartm: | ah |
| [11:27:32] | justinh: | and when it takes > 2 minutes to see results of a tweak.. hnggggg |
| [11:27:37] | stuartm: | I was thinking of dropping it and adding a "jump to time" option to the guide instead |
| [11:28:15] | justinh: | I quite enjoyed messing around in the code briefly yesterday. I think I might try to set some time aside to make a calendar style widget or something |
| [11:30:29] | kmdm: | stuartm: I imagine you won't be surprised to hear restarting the backend worked – I guess I made a bad assumption there! I really really should have tried that first before coming here *sigh* lol |
| [11:30:53] | justinh: | kmdm: heh. we aren't born knowing everything ;-) |
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| [11:31:19] | justinh: | how is it that the freesat numbers end up out of whack anyway? |
| [11:31:22] | kmdm: | justinh: it didn't help the channels were hidden from the programme guide too, it was only the browsing up/down while watching TV :) |
| [11:31:57] | justinh: | that's one of the features I cant quite reconcile in mythtv. you can hide channels but they pop up elsewhere |
| [11:32:09] | ** kmdm shrugs... I wrote a python script to use Sky's EPG json information to update the channel numbering in mythtv ** | |
| [11:32:17] | kmdm: | that fixed it all up pretty much :) |
| [11:34:27] | stuartm: | justinh: the only place hidden channels now appear is in the manual schedule editor and that's a bug |
| [11:35:39] | stuartm: | fwiw, the Freesat numbering isn't the same as the Sky numbering – in practical terms it doesn't matter much though |
| [11:36:15] | kmdm: | indeed, and I plan to get Sky working too once I get a card reader... :) |
| [11:36:39] | kmdm: | just waiting to see if it'll pick up Sky's EIT once it can decode the encrypted channels |
| [11:36:45] | justinh: | stuartm: ah cool |
| [11:36:47] | stuartm: | Freesat numbering can end up odd if we're avoiding clashes with other sources, e.g. Freeview but otherwise I'd say it was another bug |
| [11:37:47] | justinh: | Grrr. Stupid fricking Take Take DVD. I ripped it – & OMG what a battle that was – and myth reckons the iso is 2.5 hours long. But it stops at about 1.5h & you can't even jump to a later chapter. So I converted it to mkv in handbrake & the resulting mkv is only 1.5h long too. |
| [11:37:47] | stuartm: | kmdm: friendly warning, that's a forbidden topic here, MythTV takes a strong line against softcam and piracy, merely mentioning either can get you banned from the channel |
| [11:38:23] | kmdm: | I did mean with a proper sky card + hardware reader – but fair enough, I'll refrain from that in the future |
| [11:38:27] | stuartm: | justinh: it's not transitioning layers? |
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| [11:38:39] | justinh: | stuartm: apparently not |
| [11:39:09] | stuartm: | kmdm: well no such thing exists for VideoGuard, you cannot buy the decryption module (cam) |
| [11:39:14] | justinh: | kmdm: even that isn't supported. according to Sky T&Cs you're only allowed to use the kit they sanction |
| [11:40:13] | stuartm: | justinh: Take Take is a Take That tribute band? :) |
| [11:40:19] | justinh: | ooo I know. I'll drop the iso onto VLC |
| [11:40:23] | justinh: | lol. Take That |
| [11:40:23] | kmdm: | true true... anyway... I'm not going to dwell on the topic since I could do without a ban ;) *moves along* |
| [11:41:06] | stuartm: | my sister was a huge Take That fan |
| [11:41:29] | justinh: | all the new DVDs we got were a bitch to rip |
| [11:41:30] | stuartm: | 15 years ago, when she was 14 though |
| [11:41:40] | justinh: | my wife likes Robbie :-\ |
| [11:45:24] | justinh: | hmm maybe it didn't rip properly |
| [11:45:48] | justinh: | gah I HATE optical disks |
| [11:48:26] | justinh: | well at least The Inbetweeners movie plays ok |
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| [11:57:52] | justinh: | well, the new double buggy is here. rock & roll life! |
| [12:10:59] | stuartm: | double? Another one on the way? |
| [12:11:42] | justinh: | yup. due in feb |
| [12:11:55] | justinh: | trouble squared is coming |
| [12:15:10] | stuartm: | well congrats :) |
| [12:16:41] | justinh: | thanks. lord only knows what we're letting ourselves in for |
| [12:18:03] | justinh: | damnit. that disc just doesn't want to rip right. I can see me having to spend money on a windows program |
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| [12:22:13] | Seeker`: | sphery: Thanks for mentioning the system events, I've now got my definiately-not-an-ambilight changing function on playback/pause |
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| [12:25:37] | Seeker`: | justinh: which disc? |
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| [12:35:32] | justinh: | Seeker`: Take That Progress Live |
| [12:35:57] | stuartm: | justinh: I've no idea if it will do any better than handbrake, but have you tried MakeMKV? |
| [12:36:42] | stuartm: | partly closed source but free (registration code can be found in a pinned announcement in the forum) |
| [12:38:45] | justinh: | I looked at that but I wanted to rip the whole disc not just make an mkv |
| [12:39:00] | justinh: | figure I have 3TB video storage why not use it :-) |
| [12:40:54] | Seeker`: | justinh: makemkv does'nt compress DVDs afaik |
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| [12:41:21] | Seeker`: | justinh: It rips the video and audio stream and puts them inside and mkv container afaik |
| [12:41:51] | stuartm: | justinh: it will make a mkv including just the titles and audio/subtitle tracks you select |
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| [12:44:16] | stuartm: | just click the big button saying open DVD and it presents a tree where you can chose the title and unselect the unwanted streams connected to that title before hitting the 'Make MKV' button |
| [12:46:02] | stuartm: | justinh: sorry I completely mis-read what you wrote |
| [12:47:23] | stuartm: | it has an iso/video_ts type option but that appears to be disabled for DVDs (works for Blu-ray) |
| [12:47:45] | stuartm: | k3b will rip an iso, but not strip out unwanted stuff |
| [12:48:07] | stuartm: | and of course there's dd, but same deal as k3b |
| [12:50:48] | Seeker`: | I had problems with dd because it marks stuff as unencrypted when it isn't |
| [12:52:33] | stuartm: | dd shouldn't modify anything :/ |
| [12:53:30] | stuartm: | I wish I'd bought another 2TB before the drive shortage crisis, I've got a bunch of new DVD boxsets and blu-rays to rip but not enough space |
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| [13:01:27] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I know it shouldnt, which is why I was annoyed when I came to play it and it failed :( |
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| [15:45:21] | MMlosh: | Thanks a lot for fixing my doubled recordings... (low-quality EPG data with series and episode numbers in recording title instead of separate field) |
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| [16:01:46] | ajaxmike: | what is the syntax to specifiy a network path in the storage directories? |
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| [16:19:03] | ajaxmike: | can anyone tell m what the syntax is to specify a network share in storage group? |
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| [16:28:57] | dekarl-too: | ajaxmike: just mount the share locally and then specify a directory within the mounted share (to avoid using the empty mount point in case the mount fails) |
| [16:34:25] | MMlosh: | Thanks a lot for fixing my doubled recordings... (low-quality EPG data with series and episode numbers in recording title instead of separate field) Unfortunately only the LATER showings are ad-free and thus easier to cut and watch. Is there a way to record both first and second showing / prefer 2nd showing? |
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| [16:42:45] | ajaxmike: | sorry, i wasn't clear: I am trying to set the directory on a seperate FE machine. smb share is on a seperate BE machine |
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| [16:51:36] | dekarl-too: | ajaxmike: I'm not sure what you are trying to do, doesn't the access work without? |
| [16:52:39] | ajaxmike: | when setting up FE I need to enter a storage directory. I get an error message on exit if I don't |
| [16:53:24] | stuartm: | MMlosh: are the later recordings on another channel or source? |
| [16:54:22] | dekarl-too: | ajaxmike: hmm, i have no idea. I didn't have to do that |
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| [16:54:47] | Seeker`: | ajaxmike: an error message or a warning? |
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| [16:55:39] | MMlosh: | Am I back? |
| [16:55:49] | stuartm: | MMlosh: are the later recordings on another channel or source? |
| [16:55:59] | MMlosh: | stuartm, no, both are on the same channel.. and there is only one DVB-T stick (providing 5 equivalent inputs) |
| [16:56:08] | MMlosh: | thanks for repeating the question.. my answer did not get thru |
| [16:56:41] | stuartm: | are the later recordings always at the same time? |
| [16:58:15] | stuartm: | you can record both by disabling duplicate detection, but that will also cause it to record the third and fourth showings |
| [16:58:17] | ajaxmike: | seeker: "Path smb://hda/dvr/" doesn't exist. Do you want to go back and fix these problems? |
| [16:58:53] | stuartm: | or you can limit it to record that programme in one timeslot e.g. 8pm instead of 4pm – the problem with that is it assumes a fixed timeslot, e.g. if they move it to 8.30pm instead of 8pm it won't record |
| [16:59:04] | ajaxmike: | tried //hda/dvr too\ |
| [16:59:28] | Seeker`: | ajaxmike: the advice you were given earlier was to mount the share locally and then point to the local copy |
| [16:59:56] | dekarl-too: | or just remove the SG override and let the frontend access the storage via the backend |
| [17:00:30] | ajaxmike: | how do i remove the sg override? |
| [17:01:00] | ajaxmike: | leave it blank? |
| [17:01:43] | MMlosh: | stuartm, there are no 3rd and 4th showing |
| [17:02:27] | ajaxmike: | in general settings, master backend override is checked |
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| [17:02:47] | MMlosh: | recording all is fine.. how do I do that (with powersearch, EIT has episode numbers in titles...) |
| [17:03:00] | MMlosh: | ^ stuartm ) |
| [17:03:28] | ajaxmike: | if I leave SG blank then I get a message "uanable to create file "//.test" |
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| [17:05:56] | MMlosh: | stuartm, how can I disable dupe detection for powersearch rules? |
| [17:06:30] | ajaxmike: | seeker: i didn't quite understand the earlier advice. I should create a mount point on the FE pointing to a network share on the BE? |
| [17:07:05] | Seeker`: | ajaxmike: I believe that is what dekarl-too meant |
| [17:07:23] | ajaxmike: | odd that mythtv would require that on the FE |
| [17:07:41] | ajaxmike: | and not just default to the BE |
| [17:08:06] | ajaxmike: | i'll try to figure out how to do that |
| [17:08:17] | stuartm: | MMlosh: give me a moment, I'm not familiar with power/custom rules since I don't use them |
| [17:08:28] | MMlosh: | okolsi, thanks |
| [17:08:31] | MMlosh: | *ok, thanks |
| [17:09:12] | stuartm: | how are you creating the rule, through mythweb or mythfrontend? |
| [17:10:39] | Seeker`: | ajaxmike: why not turn off backend override? |
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| [17:10:53] | stuartm: | in mythfrontend when you create the rule you are taken to the schedule editor screen which has a range of submenus (Schedule Options, Storage Options, Post Processing etc) – under schedule options change the 'Match duplicates ...' to 'Don't match duplicates' |
| [17:11:16] | ajaxmike: | seeker: i'll try that first |
| [17:11:18] | lwizardl: | is I was looking for types or functions for plugins to mythtv where would be a good place to search and read about ones currently available ? |
| [17:11:34] | stuartm: | or in mythweb change the "Duplicate Check method" to None |
| [17:11:51] | stuartm: | nice to have consistency in the UIs :( |
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| [17:14:11] | ajaxmike: | seeker: no, i still get the |
| [17:15:56] | MMlosh: | stuartm, please highlight me if I don't respond for a while |
| [17:16:51] | MMlosh: | stuartm, mythfrontend.. I did not try visiting schedule options.. checking..... |
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| [17:19:48] | MMlosh: | stuartm, it worked. thanks |
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| [17:25:50] | stuartm: | np |
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| [17:29:14] | eek313: | Hello, how do I go about setting the preview back to movie from still png in the main view recordings window? |
| [17:29:48] | ajaxmike: | seeker: i checked FE log. FE is not connecting to BE (it's running). I think i need to fix that first |
| [17:29:58] | eek313: | I can't find the option I used to swap it in the first place! |
| [17:30:29] | ajaxmike: | can anyone tell me what this means from the FE log: MythSocket(7fc8085a7140:21): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. |
| [17:34:34] | stuartm: | one of two things, the frontend lost connection with the backend or the backend was too slow in responding to the frontend, more likely the former |
| [17:35:32] | stuartm: | if the frontend lost connection it can be for three reasons, the network flaked, or the backend isn't running/crashed, or the backend has hung (still running but not responding to external input) |
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| [18:57:50] | dekarl-too: | anyone want to tell raymond (on the list) that the frequency for digital channels is in the multiplex table? |
| [18:58:06] | wagnerrp: | not this raymond? |
| [18:58:18] | wagnerrp: | Norton? |
| [18:58:52] | sphery: | better would be to instruct him how to use the scanner to scan for channels properly |
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| [18:59:09] | sphery: | i.e. the scan a specific frequency or mux or whatever it is |
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| [19:03:09] | sphery: | so, seems that it's better to increase the wd idle3 timeout to max, then access the drive every 30s forever rather than configure the drive to be used as designed |
| [19:03:34] | sphery: | (meaning for long-term storage of files only, not a location to which to log constantly-occuring system events) |
| [19:04:05] | sphery: | I feel so stupid for suggesting to actually let the power-saving drive save power by using it as designed |
| [19:06:16] | sphery: | ah, it seems Raymond N is now looking to figure out why mythtv finds channels dvbscan doesn't (before he was doing the opposite) |
| [19:06:33] | sphery: | anyway, George's suggestion will work with ATSC |
| [19:23:32] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: aye, the other raymond, I'm on tour so I only can start a new thread :( |
| [19:24:00] | wagnerrp: | on tour? |
| [19:24:32] | wagnerrp: | mistranslation for 'vacation'? |
| [19:24:46] | dekarl-too: | na, at my GF's |
| [19:24:56] | dekarl-too: | aka not at home |
| [19:25:09] | dekarl-too: | sphery, i see, for dvb it wouldnt |
| [19:25:52] | wagnerrp: | usually 'tour' over here means you're with a band or troupe, some kind of creative exhibition |
| [19:28:25] | dekarl-too: | well, over here, too. but usually its visiting some parents/grandparent/sisters, so its like a tour anyway ;) (goes afk) |
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| [19:41:31] | Blinny: | Hi. I'm planning my wiring runs for MythTV back & front ends. Plan to have multiple backends and multiple fronts. With regards to surround sound, do I need to run from the frontend to the amp & speakers, or from the backend to the amp & speakers? |
| [19:42:38] | stuartm: | frontend |
| [19:42:52] | stuartm: | backend doesn't decode video/audio, that's all done by the frontends |
| [19:42:56] | wagnerrp: | why multiple backends? |
| [19:42:58] | Blinny: | stuartm: Thanks mate. |
| [19:43:13] | Blinny: | wagnerrp: I may not need multiples, depending on case size and TV sources. |
| [19:43:14] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to have a backend is to record |
| [19:43:28] | stuartm: | record/store media |
| [19:43:33] | wagnerrp: | if something does not have storage and tuner cards, it should not be a backend |
| [19:44:52] | stuartm: | Blinny: have you used MythTV before? If not then it's worthwhile setting up a simple setup first so you can familiarise yourself with it, that can even be done with a single exiting machine |
| [19:46:19] | Blinny: | Thank you yes, I can dig it. I won't dive in tits first until I wrap my head around this a bit more. I'm just trying to get a first draft of a wiring schematic to then think of the ramifications. |
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| [19:49:06] | Blinny: | I'll have to have a separate balls amp for whole-house audio then, if each frontend needs its own amp for the surround sound. |
| [19:49:31] | lwizardl: | is I was looking for types or functions for plugins to mythtv where would be a good place to search and read about ones currently available ? |
| [19:51:13] | Seeker`: | Blinny: you treat the frontend like you would a DVD player basically |
| [19:51:58] | Seeker`: | and the backend is just a server, all it needs is connections for any tuners you have, and a network cable |
| [19:52:33] | wagnerrp: | each frontend basically operates as its own independent device, it just receives programming from a shared source |
| [19:53:04] | Blinny: | That makes sense. Okay, thank you mates. |
| [19:54:40] | Blinny: | Cheers |
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| [19:59:31] | lwizardl: | i'm trying to figure out what plugins or addons for CallerID, Phone Calls, and CCTV. |
| [20:00:59] | wagnerrp: | external with mythnotify/mythmessage, nothing, external with mythzoneminder |
| [20:01:33] | lwizardl: | k |
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| [20:04:54] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: do you actually want mythtv to be involved in phone calls? |
| [20:06:03] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yeah I was looking for a all in one type of frontend. |
| [20:06:18] | lwizardl: | I was looking at the skype plugin |
| [20:06:18] | wagnerrp: | i mean me personally, ive got no desire to have my TV tied into a speaker phone |
| [20:06:28] | wagnerrp: | i could more see a utility if it were a kitchenputer or something |
| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | but there _is_ the old defunct mythphone |
| [20:07:06] | wagnerrp: | it was a SIP plugin, to tie into VOIP systems like asterisk for voice and video |
| [20:07:14] | [R]: | i want my mythtv to call me |
| [20:07:19] | [R]: | that would be the bomb |
| [20:07:38] | lwizardl: | i wwas reading this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Integrating_Skype_ . . . ythTV_system |
| [20:07:39] | wagnerrp: | although all that code is on the wrong side of the QT3->4 migration and UI rewrite |
| [20:08:01] | wagnerrp: | there probably isnt a whole lot still applicable, better to rewrite it from scratch if you were so inclined |
| [20:08:57] | lwizardl: | which I am not yet. Since my programming skills suck |
| [20:09:13] | wagnerrp: | bleh, skype |
| [20:09:52] | lwizardl: | I will admit I liked skype more before MS bought it |
| [20:10:29] | wagnerrp: | i always roll my eyes when my relatives start talking about skype, why buy into a locked down, proprietary system with the entire rest of the industry uses open (if patented) protocols |
| [20:10:40] | lwizardl: | it seems like as soon as their programmers touched it it got way more buggy. But it was the first thing google found when i searched for mythtv phone |
| [20:11:06] | wagnerrp: | my relatives always roll their eyes when i start complaining about skype, why preach freedom and openness when everyone uses skype |
| [20:11:34] | lwizardl: | well the general population only cares if it works for them, not how it works |
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| [20:50:33] | iamlindoro: | why does geoff newbury keep asking where he got files we never installed for him? WE DON'T KNOW, HE IS THE ONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO. |
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| [21:01:47] | justinh: | gah. my phone is broken. that means.. buying another one :-\ |
| [21:02:21] | [R]: | you should get a galaxy nexus |
| [21:04:22] | justinh: | I should get a smartphone that has more than 50 hours battery life. Oh wait. They don't exist yet |
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| [21:04:57] | [R]: | aren't the ipoops pretty good? |
| [21:05:10] | [R]: | my phone has lasted an entire weekend before |
| [21:05:14] | justinh: | holy crap [R] if I was gonna lay out that much cash on a phone I'd sell my soul to Steve |
| [21:05:22] | [R]: | oh wait, tahts less than 50 hours... /me ponders |
| [21:05:40] | [R]: | ipoops are on par with androids for price really... |
| [21:05:41] | [R]: | 200 |
| [21:05:48] | ** justinh is a 'pay as you go' customer. max budget £200 ** | |
| [21:05:52] | [R]: | oh |
| [21:06:02] | [R]: | yeah, you're not gonna get any smartphone off contract for cheap |
| [21:06:29] | [R]: | unless its used |
| [21:06:51] | justinh: | the phone I'd be coming from is a ZTE Blade. Not awful for the money |
| [21:07:11] | justinh: | under £100 new but it's not built very well |
| [21:07:33] | justinh: | maybe getting one of these every year or so is a good thing |
| [21:07:50] | justinh: | I mean, a £400 phone might not last 2 years in my hands :P |
| [21:08:41] | justinh: | ow. how big is that nexus thing?! :-O |
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| [21:08:54] | justinh: | meh. oh well. back to another blade. |
| [21:08:56] | [R]: | 4.5" |
| [21:09:04] | [R]: | but its 1280x800 resolution |
| [21:09:08] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:09:13] | justinh: | but it's a *phone* |
| [21:09:23] | [R]: | its a freakin computer in your pocket |
| [21:09:28] | justinh: | meh |
| [21:09:59] | justinh: | how loud is the ringer? how potent is the vibration? can you hear & feel it if it rings when it's in yer back pocket? |
| [21:10:13] | [R]: | you put your phone in your back pocket!? |
| [21:10:16] | [R]: | that's just a receipe for disaster |
| [21:10:28] | justinh: | I certainly don't hang it on my belt. LOL |
| [21:10:36] | [R]: | thats pretty faggy |
| [21:10:39] | [R]: | i put it in my front pocket |
| [21:11:06] | justinh: | faggy? heh I just thought there was something really wrong with people who hang phones on their belt |
| [21:11:12] | wagnerrp: | the smallest phone in the world, with bluetooth paring to a separate device |
| [21:11:20] | wagnerrp: | hmm |
| [21:11:27] | wagnerrp: | personally id rather have.... |
| [21:11:50] | [R]: | justinh: its what the hip business people do |
| [21:12:12] | justinh: | [R]: I know the time. they get on my bits. they are not to be trusted |
| [21:12:13] | wagnerrp: | make it shaped like a stick of chapstick or something |
| [21:12:28] | [R]: | justinh: "on my bits"... is that some kind of british slang? |
| [21:12:32] | justinh: | wagnerrp: magic bullet phone (TM) |
| [21:12:43] | justinh: | [R]: I'm trying to be polite |
| [21:12:54] | wagnerrp: | just enough for a row of 10 buttons, and a small LCD readout for who ive typed in, or who is calling |
| [21:13:04] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that sounds boring |
| [21:13:11] | wagnerrp: | it should be boring |
| [21:13:16] | wagnerrp: | its just a damn phone, nothing more |
| [21:13:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: what if the chapstick melted? |
| [21:13:28] | justinh: | boring phones, nobody wants to steal ;) |
| [21:13:33] | [R]: | (i assume you want it shaped like a stick of chapstick so you could freshen your lips with it) |
| [21:14:03] | wagnerrp: | no fancy processor or screen to suck down memory |
| [21:14:24] | [R]: | how are you going to browse the web? |
| [21:14:25] | wagnerrp: | no big bulky phone taking up room in my pocket if i dont want a smartphone that day |
| [21:14:28] | [R]: | how are you going to send email? |
| [21:14:41] | justinh: | my current phone is kind of a muse, my GPS.. SMS client.. phone is pretty much last place |
| [21:14:46] | [R]: | if you dont want a smartphone? except you'll never know when you are going to have a smartphone moment |
| [21:14:50] | [R]: | so you can't really plan ahead for that |
| [21:15:02] | wagnerrp: | ill carry a little ultra-portable connected over bluetooth |
| [21:15:25] | wagnerrp: | i want my phone to just be a basic voice and data link |
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| [21:15:33] | wagnerrp: | a portable modem, and little more |
| [21:15:56] | wagnerrp: | have a tablet? connect to the phone and out to the internet |
| [21:16:02] | wagnerrp: | have a laptop? do the same |
| [21:16:06] | wagnerrp: | just a headset?... |
| [21:16:29] | [R]: | but then you have to caarry around multiple devices |
| [21:16:37] | wagnerrp: | only if you want to |
| [21:17:04] | [R]: | i shouldn't need to lug around a tablet |
| [21:17:09] | [R]: | if i want to check email during the day |
| [21:17:11] | [R]: | or listen to pandora |
| [21:17:12] | wagnerrp: | heck, if you really wanted, have the modem be detachable from the screen/processor/keypad, with its own separate battery |
| [21:17:31] | wagnerrp: | just want a phone? take the modem and a headset |
| [21:17:39] | wagnerrp: | want a smart phone? dock it back into the unit |
| [21:17:43] | justinh: | somebody tried that didn't they? the StickleBrickPhone(TM) |
| [21:18:07] | wagnerrp: | want a portable computer? dock the smartphone into a keyboard tray |
| [21:18:17] | [R]: | well they have that now |
| [21:18:22] | [R]: | the asus transformer |
| [21:18:25] | [R]: | and the motorola atrix |
| [21:18:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, they are going that way up with the transformer |
| [21:18:36] | wagnerrp: | but they need to carry that concept down as well |
| [21:21:25] | justinh: | yup. just another Cheapskate phone for me I reckon. The rate I go through em |
| [21:21:49] | justinh: | it's not a bad innings really, considering how many times it's been toddlered |
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| [23:39:26] | costainty: | john's phone |
| [23:39:50] | wagnerrp: | larry's phone |
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| [23:40:30] | costainty: | john's phone is a real phone. youtube it. very ... interesting |
| [23:41:04] | iamlindoro: | which has what to do with MythTV? |
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