| Wednesday, January 4th, 2012, 00:08 UTC | ||
| [00:08:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: wait, dont you literally run linhes? |
| [00:08:53] | wagnerrp: | isnt it cheating to say you gave up on source for packages, when you build the packages? |
| [00:09:19] | jams: | actually i don't build those packages, thats someone else that does it. |
| [00:09:33] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [00:11:02] | jams: | I don't think it really matters in this case. I saw nothing but trouble ahead for that guy if he compiled it himself. |
| [00:11:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont disagree, just found that comment amusing |
| [00:11:56] | jams: | :) |
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| [00:12:42] | wagnerrp: | its like... "i dont access the database directly, i use the python bindings" |
| [00:12:58] | stuartm: | you do?!? |
| [00:14:25] | jams: | still a true statement ! |
| [00:14:55] | wagnerrp: | right, but since i wrote all the code for database access in the bindings, i am the one accessing the database directly when i use them |
| [00:16:27] | jams: | slightly interested to see what happens with that guy, but we will probably never know. |
| [00:16:49] | stuartm: | he'll be back using wmc this time next week |
| [00:18:20] | Seeker`: | stuartm: you give him that long? |
| [00:18:29] | stuartm: | I don't especially blame him either, it takes persistence to iron out some of the issues you might run into in trying to build/maintain a linux box, nevermind a mythtv setup |
| [00:20:25] | stuartm: | I'm still regularly frustrated by a multitude of issues, from minor usage irritations to more major problems like the failed recording earlier tonight |
| [00:21:57] | stuartm: | the stability of the wireless on my production frontend has finally driven me to ordering some external grade Cat 6 so I can switch to a wired connection and after months I think I might finally have a solution for the DVD playback pauses on the same machine |
| [00:22:23] | Seeker`: | what was causing the playback pauses? |
| [00:23:12] | wagnerrp: | wireless.... neighbor's baby started crying and the monitor blasted everyone's wireless connections for half a block |
| [00:23:18] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:23:20] | stuartm: | Seeker`: disc was spinning down between reads, taking too long to spin back up and starving the buffers |
| [00:24:09] | jams: | wagnerrp- for the find_orphans.py script. Saw you talking about enhancements to it. Was one of those the ability to print what it finds wrong and quit (instead of prompting to fix). |
| [00:24:14] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: nice, bet thats fun to troubleshoot |
| [00:24:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: no, although i could do that quite easily |
| [00:24:56] | wagnerrp: | the 'enhancements' were to resolve an issue with recording deletion |
| [00:25:07] | stuartm: | much as I love MythTV and will continue to invest time working on it, the number of things that need addressing requires a lot more manpower than we have right now |
| [00:25:09] | jams: | k |
| [00:25:14] | wagnerrp: | if a recording is in progress of being deleted when the backend is abruptly shut down |
| [00:25:27] | Seeker`: | stuartm: ah. I agree to an extent, mythtv is great, but I wouldn't recommend mythtv to other people atm |
| [00:25:35] | wagnerrp: | the file remains, the database entry remains, but mythtv ignores it |
| [00:25:53] | wagnerrp: | it does not recover the recording and resume deletion when it starts back up |
| [00:25:56] | jams: | i made the change for my copy, but it was a quick wedge in. Really didn't feel like doing the full getopts thing. |
| [00:26:43] | wagnerrp: | theres enough flaws in it where it reports a false positive that i frankly dont understand |
| [00:26:51] | wagnerrp: | that i dont want anything that would allow automatic deletion |
| [00:27:03] | wagnerrp: | but adding something to just print and edit shouldnt take much |
| [00:27:14] | wagnerrp: | by the way, are you on 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [00:27:23] | jams: | that was for .24 |
| [00:27:51] | jams: | http://jmeyer.us/pic_dump/linhes4-web.png |
| [00:27:58] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I've looked at doing some mythtv dev in the past, but its very difficult to know where to start |
| [00:28:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what im looking at |
| [00:28:20] | jams: | what i use it for is to run that script every so often and check the output for "orphans" if they are found then change the status of orphan from red to green |
| [00:28:31] | jams: | basic monitor system |
| [00:28:49] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i just ask since i keep the wiki version at fixes, and the trunk version on my github repo |
| [00:28:55] | jams: | i see |
| [00:29:14] | wagnerrp: | would you rather import this as a module, and bypass the command line entirely? |
| [00:29:40] | wagnerrp: | (assuming your monitor system is python) |
| [00:29:58] | jams: | for my needs command line will work just fine |
| [00:31:26] | stuartm: | Seeker`: it can be difficult, but I always suggest you start by looking for small and simple issues which bug you, stuff you might even have learnt to ignore – it could be nothing more than a spelling error or maybe that a particular button doesn't work in a particular screen the same as it does elsewhere |
| [00:32:00] | wagnerrp: | python 2.7? |
| [00:32:35] | wagnerrp: | jams: ^^^ |
| [00:32:53] | jams: | actually it's 2.6. 2.7 is on the list now that the mysql module was fixed |
| [00:32:54] | stuartm: | the little things lead you to be more familiar with the code and from there you might be more confident to find/fix bigger things |
| [00:33:31] | wagnerrp: | well that decides between the deprecated optparse, and the new argparse backported to 2.7 |
| [00:33:33] | Seeker`: | stuartm: yeah, thats what I did with the releasedate thing earlier. Just takes forever to find what links together where, and where the twisty maze of function calls actually leads |
| [00:33:43] | stuartm: | often enough it's lots of little things that drive users away from software rather than one or more big bugs |
| [00:33:57] | Seeker`: | next thing is to work out how to get tmdb.py to be called with -l en-GB instead of -l en |
| [00:34:50] | stuartm: | Seeker`: they've changed the API? I've been lobbying for them to support locale specifc requests |
| [00:35:35] | jams: | wagnerrp- which ever you want to use. I have something that works now but if 2.7 is required for your version so be it. |
| [00:35:39] | Seeker`: | stuartm: The only thing I know it changes is the certificate (i.e. '18' instead of 'R') |
| [00:35:43] | stuartm: | that's TMDB, not mythtv :) TMDB's api hasn't in the past allowed you to grab based on locale, just language |
| [00:36:17] | stuartm: | Seeker`: ok, that's new, they've been collecting that info for a year now but you couldn't actually access it via the API |
| [00:36:49] | wagnerrp: | you know... scratch that |
| [00:37:00] | wagnerrp: | you think i could just check to see if stdin is closed? |
| [00:37:14] | stuartm: | the certification by locale was actually added to TMDB at my request :) |
| [00:37:18] | Seeker`: | :D |
| [00:37:37] | Seeker`: | Just need to work out how to get mythtv to actually use it |
| [00:39:24] | wagnerrp: | jams: after the print block in main(), add "if sys.stdin.closed: break" |
| [00:39:26] | stuartm: | Seeker`: if you call the tmdb.py script manually with en-GB it returns the correct info? |
| [00:39:27] | wagnerrp: | and see what happens |
| [00:40:01] | jams: | ok..one moment |
| [00:40:42] | Seeker`: | stuartm: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en-GB -D 170 |
| [00:41:21] | Seeker`: | returns ... <certification locale="us" name="18" /? |
| [00:41:32] | Seeker`: | so the listed locale is incorrect |
| [00:41:53] | Seeker`: | but the actual value returned is what I expected to get for that movie in the UK |
| [00:42:11] | jams: | wagnerrp- didn't make a difference |
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| [00:43:08] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: do you know how mythtv detects whether it is connected to an interactive console? |
| [00:43:36] | jams: | wagnerrp- This is how i took the easy route http://pastebin.com/uYu73Hp3 |
| [00:43:37] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yep, works, I'd file a bug about the incorrect locale since we can use that in MythTV to ensure we only insert the correct values, i.e. when there is no cert data for en-GB we'd ignore the rating |
| [00:43:55] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: no, sphery would though |
| [00:44:34] | pumbaa2: | stuartm, you all run schedulesdirect right? |
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| [00:45:18] | stuartm: | no, some US mythtv devs are involved but it's a completely seperate entity and I have no involvement |
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| [00:45:45] | pumbaa2: | okay |
| [00:45:51] | stuartm: | xris or kormoc might be able to help |
| [00:46:07] | wagnerrp: | jams: try "if not sys.stdin.isatty(): break" |
| [00:46:17] | kormoc: | Depends on the question |
| [00:47:05] | pumbaa2: | line-up customization... is it possible to pull multiple line-ups from different areas for select channels? |
| [00:47:08] | stuartm: | Seeker`: mythtv/libs/libmythmetadata/metadatadownload.cpp line 254 |
| [00:47:59] | pumbaa2: | some of my IPTV Tuner feeds come from different areas of the US.. would be nice to associate a XMLID to them. |
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| [00:51:01] | jams: | wagnerrp- i think that worked |
| [00:51:11] | jams: | gotta give it a few more minutes to be sure |
| [00:51:13] | wagnerrp: | good deal |
| [00:51:15] | stuartm: | Seeker`: MythCoreContext::GetLocale() will give a locale object, you can query the country from that, e.g. GetLocale()->GetCountryCode() |
| [00:52:09] | stuartm: | Seeker`: gCoreContext->GetLocale()->GetCountryCode(); – you should be able to put it together from there |
| [00:53:26] | jams: | it runs every 5 minutes, so now i'm waiting for the next run to be sure |
| [00:53:42] | jams: | the first one worked (right after startup) |
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| [00:56:50] | Seeker`: | stuartm: going to need to look at setting up an environment I can build my own mythtv in I think |
| [00:56:52] | jams: | wagnerrp- yep it worked. |
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| [01:00:01] | Seeker`: | stuartm: any idea if anyone has started looking at transferring from XML based metadata lookups to JSON? By the looks of the TMDB website, they are going to be switching to JSON only in their next version |
| [01:00:40] | stuartm: | Seeker`: if you decide you don't wish to do that then let me know so I can slip that fix in myself – I can do it in a couple of minutes but you know the old proverb about teaching a man to fish :) I'd sooner have one more contributor to MythTV than see it fixed quickly |
| [01:01:19] | stuartm: | Seeker`: to my knowledge no-one is looking at that, I'm pretty sure no-one here even knows about any planned change to json |
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| [01:01:31] | Seeker`: | http://help.themoviedb.org/kb/api/about-3 |
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| [01:01:53] | jams: | stuartm- any news from paul regarding mythmusic? |
| [01:02:32] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I just need to decide which machine to put it on. Don't really want to start doing dev on my live system, but dont have any other computers running linux atm |
| [01:02:53] | pumbaa2: | time for some Duel-Bootness. |
| [01:02:56] | stuartm: | Seeker`: just a couple of months ago it looked like TMDB was going to disappear, the guy behind it had sold the site and no-one had heard anything new in weeks, so this is all news to us |
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| [01:04:07] | stuartm: | jams: not directly no, but he's made one or two recent commits which suggest that he's still working on it |
| [01:04:23] | jams: | i saw those which reminded me t ask :) |
| [01:04:26] | Lyude: | I'm looking at the keywords on the mythtv package in portage, and it looks like 0.23.1_p27077 would run on PPC. Do you guys know how hard it would be to get it to run on an xbox? |
| [01:04:37] | Lyude: | Running Linux of course |
| [01:04:53] | stuartm: | I believe he's spoken to Mark about using the internal player and the visualisations that Mark has ported |
| [01:05:13] | jams: | i thought you were going to email him, which is why i asked you. |
| [01:05:27] | stuartm: | jams: I was, but I never got around to it |
| [01:05:33] | Seeker`: | stuartm: ah, fair enough. Well, it looks like that article was updated on december 9th, so it sounds like that is the direction they are headed |
| [01:05:34] | jams: | either way some news it better then silence |
| [01:06:21] | stuartm: | jams: I've promised to do a lot lately only to forget or find myself short of time (the former in this case) |
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| [01:07:37] | jams: | no problem. Like others I'm really curious to see what he has. |
| [01:08:45] | jams: | maybe hoping there was some talk on -developers with all the features/plans but I guess not |
| [01:09:43] | Lyude: | So I'm guessing no one really knows? |
| [01:10:26] | stuartm: | jams: we're still in the dark about features and timelines :( |
| [01:10:37] | jams: | Lyude- sorry i don't know |
| [01:10:55] | ** iamlindoro is still sort of bummed that the metadata support appears to boil down to "spawn mythbrowser and search google images" ** | |
| [01:10:57] | stuartm: | Lyude: xbox is very short on power, it's not IMHO worth the pain |
| [01:11:05] | Lyude: | stuartm, getting it for free :P |
| [01:11:10] | Lyude: | And I'd never use it for it's intended purpose |
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| [01:11:17] | Lyude: | So I'm willing to go through such pain |
| [01:11:25] | jams: | thats always been my impression about myth on the xbox. That and the xbox can be very loud |
| [01:11:39] | Seeker`: | stuartm: http://api.themoviedb.org/3/movie/11/releases . . . 009380562c62 |
| [01:11:47] | stuartm: | 700Mhz cpu, graphics are painful |
| [01:12:00] | Lyude: | I'm guessing you can't use the GPU yet? |
| [01:12:08] | mrshaketouchpad: | is there a way to see first aired date in recorded programs? |
| [01:13:02] | stuartm: | Seeker`: cool, can't say I'm in love with json though, xml may be a heavy protocol but at least it's easy to read |
| [01:13:24] | Lyude: | Also, what do you need to connect a PC with MythTV to your coax line? |
| [01:13:44] | pumbaa2: | Lyude, Tuner card. |
| [01:13:58] | Lyude: | And it'd work just like a normal cable box? |
| [01:14:06] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: are you following this? TMDB is moving to json and have added support for locales to their API (so we get the localised certificate/rating, titles, release date) |
| [01:14:06] | Lyude: | Without ondemand crap |
| [01:14:07] | pumbaa2: | yeah |
| [01:14:11] | Lyude: | that's sick. |
| [01:14:38] | Lyude: | Might jujst build a little atom rig for it then |
| [01:14:44] | Seeker`: | stuartm: looks like they are trying to break down the responses in to smaller amounts of information, so you need to request the certificate stuff seperately |
| [01:14:45] | pumbaa2: | personally, I consider MythVideo my "on-demand crap". |
| [01:14:49] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: following peripherally, cool that they've added locale support-- someone should probably work on a new script or ask doug if he wants to update his |
| [01:15:36] | wagnerrp: | Lyude: when you say PPC... you mean the xbox 360? |
| [01:15:41] | Lyude: | yes |
| [01:15:49] | Lyude: | 360 is ppc isn't it? |
| [01:15:52] | wagnerrp: | the 360 has not been cracked to run such 'homebrew' software |
| [01:15:56] | Lyude: | It has |
| [01:16:01] | Lyude: | You can put linux on ity |
| [01:16:05] | Lyude: | Can't play games anymore though of course |
| [01:16:16] | wagnerrp: | hmm... well still not worth bothering |
| [01:16:19] | stuartm: | ok, so they aren't supplying the correct title for a given locale :( Die Hard 3.0 still comes back "Live Free or Die Hard" |
| [01:16:32] | Lyude: | meh, I'm going to be putting linux on it anyway most likely |
| [01:16:41] | Lyude: | I think I will just build a rig for this though. |
| [01:16:42] | stuartm: | err, 4.0 |
| [01:16:42] | wagnerrp: | a triple core in-order PPC is every bit as powerful as a low end Ath II |
| [01:16:59] | wagnerrp: | a chip you could pick up on newegg for $40 or so |
| [01:17:11] | Lyude: | It's gonna be used by family and stuff though |
| [01:17:22] | Lyude: | So it's gotta have the remote and all that fancy thinamajigs, but that shouldn't be too hard. |
| [01:17:30] | wagnerrp: | so surely you would want something quieter and cooler than a 360 |
| [01:17:46] | Lyude: | Think a intel atom could handle mythtv on Gentoo? |
| [01:17:50] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:17:58] | Lyude: | o-o, really? |
| [01:18:12] | wagnerrp: | you can use on for playback, but it is better to have a real cpu to fall back on |
| [01:18:20] | stuartm: | oh, the 360? I assumed the original xbox – I'd not heard that the 360 had been cracked |
| [01:18:22] | pumbaa2: | Lyude, yes I do, actually. |
| [01:18:24] | Lyude: | Can MythTV rely on opengl to play stuff? |
| [01:18:36] | wagnerrp: | you can use one for recording, if your channel lineup is sufficiently small that it can handle the scheduler load |
| [01:18:39] | stuartm: | still, that way lies plenty of pain |
| [01:18:49] | wagnerrp: | you can render using opengl, you cannot decode video using opengl |
| [01:18:57] | Lyude: | aah. |
| [01:19:13] | Lyude: | I was thinking you could because of stuff on windows like avivo and the like |
| [01:19:17] | pumbaa2: | Lyude, use a hardware mpeg encoding based tuner card and there is minimal load on CPU, even during record. |
| [01:19:32] | Lyude: | Think you could suggest a few to me? |
| [01:19:40] | stuartm: | Lyude: yes, but it depends on decent opengl support in the driver, software opengl is far too slow |
| [01:19:44] | mrshaketouchpad: | anyone got a solution for first aired in watch recordings? |
| [01:19:53] | wagnerrp: | pumbaa2: its not the recording that is a problem |
| [01:19:55] | Seeker`: | stuartm: http://api.themoviedb.org/3/movie/1571/altern . . . y=die%20hard |
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| [01:19:56] | wagnerrp: | it is the scheduler |
| [01:20:00] | Lyude: | ah. |
| [01:20:04] | wagnerrp: | it needs to run fast, and complete in short order |
| [01:20:05] | ** Lyude blames directx for everything. ** | |
| [01:20:15] | ** pumbaa2 agrees. ** | |
| [01:20:26] | ** Lyude is happy to hear this ** | |
| [01:20:30] | wagnerrp: | if youre using a sizeable cable lineup, or have a number of tuners, or have a bunch of past recordings to check duplicates against |
| [01:20:45] | wagnerrp: | an atom, or old P3, or ARM, or PPC just wont cut it |
| [01:20:46] | Lyude: | wagnerrp, what do you think the minimum CPU you'd need would be then? i5 or something? |
| [01:20:47] | stuartm: | Seeker`: neat |
| [01:21:00] | wagnerrp: | Lyude: any normal desktop processor is fine |
| [01:21:04] | Lyude: | They also do have fancy dual core atoms |
| [01:21:14] | Lyude: | which I think have ht now on desktops? |
| [01:21:30] | iamlindoro: | Atom and fancy are like matter and anti-matter |
| [01:21:35] | pumbaa2: | sooo, if the scheduler runs to slow?? what happens... |
| [01:21:44] | pumbaa2: | misses a recording? |
| [01:21:45] | iamlindoro: | lost recordings, corrupted recordings, etc. |
| [01:21:47] | Lyude: | I'll trust what your saying though |
| [01:21:48] | wagnerrp: | if the scheduler runs too slow, it results in delayed recordings |
| [01:22:04] | Lyude: | So an i3 should be able to handle it from what your saying. |
| [01:22:27] | pumbaa2: | yeah, I've had no such problem and my machine is running the backend on::: |
| [01:22:31] | wagnerrp: | an i3 or Ath II is fine |
| [01:22:36] | Lyude: | yay :3 |
| [01:22:38] | pumbaa2: | model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3600+ |
| [01:22:43] | Lyude: | I need to make sure it doesn't cost too much |
| [01:22:44] | wagnerrp: | intel graphics will work, nvidia graphics are better |
| [01:22:45] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I guess you fill out everything with the default request response, then overwrite what you can with the local stuff? |
| [01:22:47] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with amd graphics |
| [01:22:47] | pumbaa2: | cpu MHz : 2009.351 |
| [01:23:00] | Lyude: | So I can con my mother into using it instead of a normal cable box (we're planning on buying one anyway) |
| [01:23:19] | wagnerrp: | pumbaa2: that rather ancient processor is faster than ANY atom available for purchase |
| [01:23:40] | wagnerrp: | that should give you an understanding of what we mean when we say atoms are garbage |
| [01:24:03] | wagnerrp: | and yes, its even faster than any dual core atom available for purchase |
| [01:24:24] | Lyude: | I just need graphics that won't lag |
| [01:27:11] | Lyude: | With 1080p programming |
| [01:27:19] | iamlindoro: | You don't have any 1080p programming |
| [01:27:29] | Lyude: | MythTV can't get HD? |
| [01:27:32] | iamlindoro: | Sure it can |
| [01:27:37] | wagnerrp: | no one sends HD for you to get |
| [01:27:44] | iamlindoro: | your cable provider just doesn't broadcast 1080p |
| [01:28:05] | Seeker`: | 1080i is the best you can get OTA I think |
| [01:28:10] | Lyude: | oh |
| [01:28:15] | Lyude: | herp, sorry |
| [01:28:27] | Lyude: | Won't make much of a difference on a HDTV though will it? |
| [01:28:41] | iamlindoro: | And with very few exceptions, you can't get 1080p from cable, satellite, etc. either |
| [01:28:54] | iamlindoro: | Lyude: It'll make some difference, as you'll want to deinterlace 1080i content |
| [01:29:02] | iamlindoro: | meaning a better GPU or a lot more processor |
| [01:29:21] | Seeker`: | interlacing is an abomination that has no business still being alive in 2012 |
| [01:29:22] | Lyude: | I do have a 8800 GTX lying around I could use |
| [01:29:24] | Lyude: | If that would work |
| [01:30:16] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I think the 8800 GTX is the one GPU in the 8000 series that *wouldn't* work, funnily enough |
| [01:30:24] | wagnerrp: | any 8-series or better besides the GTX is sufficient |
| [01:30:32] | Lyude: | D: |
| [01:30:37] | Lyude: | Luckily I have another GPU lying around. |
| [01:30:44] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: the original GTS320/640 didnt do VDPAU either |
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| [01:31:23] | Lyude: | 9800 GT? |
| [01:31:29] | iamlindoro: | 9800 would be fine |
| [01:31:36] | Lyude: | success! |
| [01:37:23] | Lyude: | also. |
| [01:37:48] | Lyude: | ChromeOS is able to get netflix... think I would be able to set up a vm that could be accessed from mythtv to start chromeOS and use that to play netflix? |
| [01:38:46] | pumbaa2: | isnt ChromeOS writtin using uBuntu linux? |
| [01:39:03] | Lyude: | It uses portage, actually. |
| [01:39:12] | Lyude: | Or a form of it anyway |
| [01:39:28] | pumbaa2: | so what plugin is it using Moonlight? |
| [01:39:38] | Lyude: | A custom one made by netflix |
| [01:39:39] | pumbaa2: | "Silverlights" open source happyness |
| [01:39:50] | Lyude: | Moonlight doesn't work only because it cannot support DRM sadly. |
| [01:39:52] | Lyude: | As far as I know. |
| [01:40:16] | Lyude: | Oh, it is based off ubuntu. |
| [01:40:41] | pumbaa2: | so really if Netovision could access "Chrome" instead of Webkit or whatever, we could netflix in netovision? |
| [01:40:57] | skd5aner: | no |
| [01:40:57] | Lyude: | No, ChromeOS |
| [01:41:13] | Lyude: | I'm looking at netflix on mythtv, and it seems most people had to virtualize windows to make it work. |
| [01:41:19] | Lyude: | But I know ChromeOS can run it also. |
| [01:41:30] | pumbaa2: | yes, but take the OS part out and you get uBuntu running Chrome. |
| [01:41:41] | Lyude: | It's a bit different sadly |
| [01:41:55] | Lyude: | The plugin they use doesn't work on other distros for some reason |
| [01:42:06] | pumbaa2: | but ChromeOS is open source. |
| [01:42:21] | skd5aner: | no... |
| [01:42:26] | skd5aner: | ChromiumOS is open source |
| [01:42:30] | Lyude: | ^ |
| [01:42:31] | skd5aner: | Chrome OS, is not |
| [01:42:31] | Lyude: | that |
| [01:42:32] | pumbaa2: | ohh |
| [01:42:41] | Lyude: | It may also run on ChromiumOS too though. |
| [01:42:42] | Lyude: | I'm not sure |
| [01:42:52] | pumbaa2: | forgot about the two in the same but "not really" part |
| [01:42:52] | Lyude: | The plugin is called pepper. |
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| [01:44:03] | pumbaa2: | so where do you d/l Chrome OS, not Chromium? |
| [01:44:19] | pumbaa2: | or must you pay for it? |
| [01:44:27] | Lyude: | wait. |
| [01:44:36] | Lyude: | I think chromeos only comes preinstalled |
| [01:44:38] | pumbaa2: | i wanna see it. |
| [01:44:41] | Lyude: | ChromiumOS is available for download. |
| [01:44:47] | Lyude: | pumbaa2, it's just google chrome turned into an OS. |
| [01:44:47] | skd5aner: | ChromeOS only runs on google approved hardware |
| [01:44:58] | Lyude: | fffff |
| [01:45:02] | pumbaa2: | back to the ChromeBook crap again... lol |
| [01:45:05] | Lyude: | netflix y u no linux! |
| [01:45:07] | pumbaa2: | i read about all this last week. |
| [01:45:15] | Seeker`: | compiling mythtv on a macbook pro is good for a warm lap |
| [01:45:32] | pumbaa2: | lol |
| [01:45:35] | pumbaa2: | yeah |
| [01:46:05] | pumbaa2: | could give out free installations of mythtv to people just to warm your house during the winter, lol |
| [01:46:52] | Lyude: | darn... |
| [01:47:00] | Lyude: | I was really hoping there was some way I could get netflix working :c. |
| [01:47:04] | skd5aner: | Seeker`: heh – running my old powerbook g4 for anything is good for infertility and toasted skin syndrome |
| [01:48:20] | skd5aner: | Lyude: there is... buy netflix, pay the studios a TON of money to compensate for their DRM concerns, and have your developers build a linux client... simple :D |
| [01:48:29] | Lyude: | actually. |
| [01:48:30] | Lyude: | It seems |
| [01:48:34] | Lyude: | It is eventually coming to linux |
| [01:48:40] | Lyude: | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/native-net . . . n-12-months/ |
| [01:48:56] | pumbaa2: | Roku runs linux, has netflix |
| [01:49:18] | Lyude: | Do you know the black magic he uses for it? |
| [01:49:32] | pumbaa2: | I wish. |
| [01:49:43] | Lyude: | hrm. well it does seem it is on it's way to linux. |
| [01:49:54] | pumbaa2: | but its crap like this that ends up on Piracy of videos... |
| [01:50:10] | pumbaa2: | can't use paid-for services how we want to use them, so then people run off to torrent land. |
| [01:50:39] | Lyude: | Because companies think success comes from not listening to customers. |
| [01:50:43] | Lyude: | Anyway |
| [01:50:47] | Lyude: | Gotta help my sister cook, I'll bbs |
| [01:50:51] | pumbaa2: | lol, true |
| [01:53:40] | pumbaa2: | so why dont we 0wn DRM yet? legal reasons? |
| [01:55:34] | iamlindoro: | a) because it's an enormously hard-ass math problem that you can't easily hack like some others, and b) you probably want to read the channel rules, we don't allow discussion of circumvention of copy protection here |
| [01:56:17] | pumbaa2: | iamlindoro, I'm not trying to implement a way around it, hints not breaking channels rules, just trying to understand the reasons why it hasnt been done.. |
| [01:57:00] | pumbaa2: | IE: DRM is used to keep people out of content they don't own rights for. But if i *DO* own the rights, I should be able to use the content. |
| [01:57:05] | pumbaa2: | mythtv or what have you. |
| [01:57:27] | iamlindoro: | In the case of Netflix, Cable TV, etc, you don't own the content |
| [01:57:32] | pumbaa2: | and paying a monthly subscription to Netflix counts as having access rights to its content. |
| [01:57:48] | iamlindoro: | you have a license to view it under the circumstances allowed in your providers terms of service |
| [01:57:52] | Seeker`: | pumbaa2: you have a licence to access the content, with specific contitions |
| [01:58:03] | Seeker`: | usually, that you only view it on platforms that the provider supports |
| [01:58:05] | pumbaa2: | right but DRM says I can play a piece of content from their site... |
| [01:58:31] | Seeker`: | it says more than that. It says you can play a piece of content on this hardware and/or with this software |
| [01:58:33] | iamlindoro: | no, it says you can play content from their site, under the specific conditions they lay out, including their specified plugin and browser |
| [01:58:36] | pumbaa2: | and not to make an arguement larger, but the Web simply says everyone can access it regardless of platform. |
| [01:58:46] | pumbaa2: | that was the entire point behind having java and flash, etc. |
| [01:58:58] | iamlindoro: | "The Web" doesn't say anything |
| [01:59:28] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's not up for discussion of any kind, however peripheral |
| [01:59:35] | Seeker`: | There is a difference between 'we should give people the option to distribute things cross platform' and 'these tools exist so I have a right to access content on any platform' |
| [01:59:38] | pumbaa2: | well okay, but the idea is the same. |
| [02:00:03] | skd5aner: | "The Web made me do it! I SWEAR!" |
| [02:00:10] | pumbaa2: | LOL |
| [02:01:19] | ** skd5aner still can't believe the guy who said the other day "I can't imagine my life without piracy" ** | |
| [02:01:35] | skd5aner: | seriously? "CAN'T IMAGINE"?!?! What a crappy life |
| [02:01:58] | pumbaa2: | alright, well dropped anyhow. Just stupid really, they could use a closed source plugin, etc. |
| [02:02:02] | pumbaa2: | LOL, who said that? |
| [02:02:03] | skd5aner: | See... cause I can't imagine my life in jail, or being fined $250,000... but that's just me |
| [02:02:06] | pumbaa2: | idiots. |
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| [02:09:07] | Seeker`: | a closed source plugin wont change anything for them. Instead of 'let us watch your content on linux' it'll be 'make your plugin "free"' |
| [02:10:12] | pumbaa2: | plugin should be free, I pay for netflix. |
| [02:10:27] | Seeker`: | free as in open |
| [02:10:33] | pumbaa2: | Wii Netflix Software from WiiShop is free |
| [02:11:00] | pumbaa2: | ohh |
| [02:11:22] | pumbaa2: | yeah, they can't do that.. gives access to DRM, that would be bad. |
| [02:11:54] | Lyude: | wagnerrp, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115221 <-- just to make sure, that'll run netflix? |
| [02:11:56] | pumbaa2: | They have a linux Wii Emulator yet? |
| [02:12:04] | pumbaa2: | maybe kick off their Wii Plugin. |
| [02:12:06] | Lyude: | I'd imagine so. |
| [02:12:11] | Lyude: | Wii is easy as hell to emulate on PC's. |
| [02:12:42] | pumbaa2: | yeah, seen stuff about linking their controllers to PC |
| [02:12:50] | Lyude: | That's just using bluetooth. |
| [02:12:53] | skd5aner: | that's just bluetooth |
| [02:13:00] | Lyude: | I said it first. |
| [02:13:01] | pumbaa2: | using it for various uses, including convert your non-touchscreen into a touchscreen. |
| [02:13:03] | pumbaa2: | kinda interesting. |
| [02:13:37] | pumbaa2: | i got the origional Wii Netflix disc before they went to install from WiiShop :) |
| [02:13:51] | pumbaa2: | gotta find it though. |
| [02:14:43] | wagnerrp: | Lyude: my 10yr old laptop will run netflix |
| [02:14:51] | Lyude: | nono |
| [02:14:51] | pumbaa2: | maybe the really good answer, the interface works for a TV, and doesn't need the cursor, works just as good using arrows and "A" / "B" from the controller. |
| [02:14:54] | Lyude: | I mean mythtv wagnerrp |
| [02:15:06] | wagnerrp: | because the only netflix youre going to be doing on linux is the dvds through the mail |
| [02:15:19] | Lyude: | I'm building a rig for it right now. |
| [02:15:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats perfectly fine for mythtv |
| [02:15:52] | pumbaa2: | heh, how funny, I'd have to kick off the netflix Wii app from inside MythGame, LOL |
| [02:15:56] | pumbaa2: | almost commical. |
| [02:16:02] | wagnerrp: | although i would probably get one of the 1155 chips instead |
| [02:16:20] | Lyude: | That is a 1155 chip. |
| [02:16:30] | wagnerrp: | that is a 1156 chip |
| [02:16:49] | Lyude: | oh. |
| [02:16:52] | Lyude: | that's... interesting. |
| [02:17:13] | Lyude: | ...why exactly is there a 1156? |
| [02:17:16] | wagnerrp: | 1155 replaced 1156, just because they could and thus make you buy new boards |
| [02:17:30] | Lyude: | Intel is made of dickbutts :c. |
| [02:17:38] | Lyude: | I wish AMD didn't have to sack the only good engineers they had. |
| [02:17:39] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea why they actually changed |
| [02:18:34] | skd5aner: | Intel is fine, but whatever department is reponsible for branding/versioning/numbering their products should be quickly and swiftly killed |
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| [02:19:35] | skd5aner: | this i3 is actually newer than that i3 and has this feature set which the old i3 didn't have |
| [02:19:35] | skd5aner: | blah |
| [02:19:40] | Lyude: | How much ram would you reccomend I have? |
| [02:19:50] | skd5aner: | how much can you afford? |
| [02:20:01] | skd5aner: | if it's less than 4GB, save up ;) |
| [02:20:01] | wagnerrp: | ram is cheap, no reason to get under 4GB |
| [02:20:14] | wagnerrp: | 4GB can be had for <$30 |
| [02:20:24] | Lyude: | ah yes. |
| [02:20:26] | Lyude: | I forgot that. |
| [02:26:13] | Beirdo: | heh. Half of the room has been tidied. |
| [02:26:16] | Beirdo: | make that 1/3 |
| [02:26:39] | Beirdo: | need to make space on the floor to finish off my quilt ;) |
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| [02:38:15] | wagnerrp: | bleh, ncis started half a minute early |
| [02:38:31] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how hard it would be to splice in that from the previous recording on the same channel |
| [02:38:53] | Beirdo: | isn't that annoying? |
| [02:39:07] | Beirdo: | I have all my Futuramas missing the last 30s or so |
| [02:39:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean i have the video, its just not where i want it |
| [02:39:12] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:39:22] | Beirdo: | and haven't bothered to fix the padding yet |
| [02:39:32] | wagnerrp: | luckily comedy central replays those a regular intervals |
| [02:39:34] | Beirdo: | the best part of the bloody episodes... gone |
| [02:39:44] | Beirdo: | there is that |
| [02:40:12] | Beirdo: | God, I hate cleaning up. |
| [02:40:26] | Beirdo: | why can't my apartment just clean itself? |
| [02:42:16] | iamlindoro: | Why can't your apartment's owner prevent mess in the first place? ;) |
| [02:43:26] | wagnerrp: | im sure your landlord would be willing to clean your apartment if you ate the security deposit |
| [02:45:17] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:45:32] | Beirdo: | what, you expect me to be tidy?! |
| [02:45:45] | Beirdo: | That would be far too useful |
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| [02:50:28] | Beirdo: | Now, if I could remember where I left my tape measure... |
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| [03:04:37] | Beirdo: | found it |
| [03:04:43] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [03:05:09] | Beirdo: | gonna have to move the recliner chair, it seems |
| [03:05:11] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [03:06:02] | Beirdo: | need to be able to stretch out a king-size sheet on the floor |
| [03:06:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: isatty() |
| [03:06:13] | sphery: | in util? |
| [03:06:17] | sphery: | util.cpp that is |
| [03:06:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, same thing in python actually |
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| [03:06:37] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [03:07:29] | wagnerrp: | same exact method name in fact |
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| [03:24:33] | wagnerrp: | and asking to ask over here is not how it works |
| [03:24:39] | wagnerrp: | just ask your question |
| [03:24:48] | wagnerrp: | if someone has an answer, they will eventually get back |
| [03:24:53] | wagnerrp: | if not, try again in an hour or two |
| [03:25:14] | mybox1776: | I have looked at as much documentation as I can..I was wondering where in MYTH TV frontend setup I can have the software detect my tuner? I installed MTV before I bought the tuner. Any help would be appreciated. |
| [03:25:41] | wagnerrp: | likely bet would be 'mythtv-setup' |
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| [03:26:53] | wagnerrp: | tuners, inputs, sources, storage, and anything else that alteration would require a restart of the backend all happens in mythtv-setup |
| [03:27:54] | mybox1776: | ok – I gues I just didn't see a spot specifically saying to detect tuner.. thx |
| [03:28:09] | wagnerrp: | because there really isnt one |
| [03:28:18] | wagnerrp: | you select a tuner type from the drop down |
| [03:28:35] | wagnerrp: | and that tuner type may enumerate any devices on the system it thinks might match that type |
| [03:29:04] | wagnerrp: | for instance, the V4L type will enumerate all /dev/video<n> devices |
| [03:29:16] | wagnerrp: | even if those nodes are encoders and not V4L framegrabbers |
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| [03:29:38] | wagnerrp: | what tuner are you trying to add? |
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| [03:30:14] | mybox1776: | Huapauge USB adapter |
| [03:30:25] | iamlindoro: | Gonna need to be a lot more specific |
| [03:30:27] | wagnerrp: | there are a lot of those, which model specifically? |
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| [03:30:54] | mybox1776: | Hauppauge – TV HD Stick USB 2.0 TV Tuner with PVR |
| [03:31:00] | mybox1776: | 9500 |
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| [03:31:17] | wagnerrp: | so you want to add it as a DVB type tuner |
| [03:31:32] | wagnerrp: | when you select that type, it will autodetect that tuner at /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [03:31:43] | mybox1776: | Yeah – on laptop so I can record and watch LIVE TV |
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| [03:32:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt actually do live tv |
| [03:32:18] | wagnerrp: | everything is a recording |
| [03:32:34] | wagnerrp: | the 'livetv' mode is just a recording with a bit of glue to allow you to change channels |
| [03:32:50] | wagnerrp: | but the recordings it make will remain for up to 24 hours |
| [03:33:09] | mybox1776: | WinTV pretty much the same? I watch live TV in Windows.... |
| [03:33:10] | mybox1776: | gotcha |
| [03:33:30] | wagnerrp: | wintv is just a viewer application, with limited recording capability |
| [03:33:37] | iamlindoro: | WinTV and MythTV are sort of like a kite and a Jet Fighter |
| [03:33:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a recorder, with limited live viewing capability |
| [03:34:14] | skd5aner: | ... not /that/ limited of live viewing |
| [03:34:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is intended to have full control over the hardware it exists on |
| [03:34:32] | mybox1776: | ok, that makes sense |
| [03:34:37] | wagnerrp: | it is supposed to run all the time, and be allowed to record whatever it wants, whenever it wants |
| [03:34:59] | wagnerrp: | the idea is you set up recording rules, it goes off and records anything that matches those rules, and you watch them at some later point |
| [03:35:12] | skd5aner: | Some of my custom rules keep disappearing... I have no idea why or how that would even be possible |
| [03:35:42] | skd5aner: | My series premier rule was gone when I went looking for it tonight – I've had it for a few years now, and earlier this summer one of my custom NFL rules went missing |
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| [03:35:58] | wagnerrp: | mybox1776: also note that most channels on time warner will be encrypted, and inaccessible through your 950Q |
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| [03:36:12] | wagnerrp: | the only channels you should expect to be able to record with that tuner are the local broadcast channels |
| [03:36:18] | skd5aner: | what could possible cause a custom recording rule to delete itself? |
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| [03:36:43] | wagnerrp: | it was a 'find once' perhaps? |
| [03:36:54] | skd5aner: | nope – "any" rule |
| [03:37:05] | mybox1776: | ok, I am all OTA |
| [03:37:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: had been there for a few years |
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| [03:38:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I thought it was a fluke the first time it happened – but now, I'm just confused |
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| [03:44:56] | mybox1776: | thx for all the help |
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| [03:45:25] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [03:45:33] | Beirdo: | there was a floor under all that stuff |
| [03:45:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:49:03] | Beirdo: | not sure where to shove this chair though |
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| [04:06:57] | [R]: | OH YEAH |
| [04:07:01] | [R]: | DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER IS BACK! |
| [04:07:51] | wagnerrp: | escaped from a Tijuana prison? |
| [04:08:27] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:08:37] | [R]: | they never extradited him |
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| [04:50:19] | iamlindoro: | Someone tell RG Newbury there's no such file that he reported his bug against |
| [04:50:23] | iamlindoro: | Not in our code anyway |
| [04:59:45] | wagnerrp: | closed invalid |
| [05:00:21] | iamlindoro: | If there's some problem where myth doesn't stop, then we need backtraces from that |
| [05:01:13] | wagnerrp: | if there's some problem where myth doesn't stop, its the duty of the init system to force it to stop, or wait indefinitely until it does |
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| [05:08:36] | madams_9: | Quick question: I just noticed that the 4 or 5 programs that Mythtv recorded over the past 24 hours or so, are gone. It seems they were expired almost immediately after they finished recording. How should my expiration settings look to avoid that? |
| [05:08:53] | wagnerrp: | these were scheduled or live recordings? |
| [05:09:10] | madams_9: | Scheduled. No such problem with live recordings. |
| [05:09:20] | wagnerrp: | should be the opposite |
| [05:09:37] | wagnerrp: | live should expire after 24 hours, or will be the first to go earlier if more storage space is needed |
| [05:09:44] | wagnerrp: | single drive or multiple? |
| [05:10:02] | iamlindoro: | unless those recordings have a max recordings value set |
| [05:10:13] | iamlindoro: | s/those recordings/those rules/ |
| [05:10:16] | wagnerrp: | and are set to delete old to allow new |
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| [05:12:26] | madams_9: | Multiple drives — at least several hundred gig of space available in the pool. |
| [05:12:45] | madams_9: | Looking for those settings now. |
| [05:13:16] | wagnerrp: | the storage scheduler places recordings independent of the expirer |
| [05:13:31] | iamlindoro: | If the drive it chooses to record to first is full, and you are using default storage pool settings, it will just keep expiring hen the first is full |
| [05:13:36] | wagnerrp: | it could be your scheduled recordings all happen to fall on a nearly full drive |
| [05:13:52] | madams_9: | Okay, method was set to lowest priority. Changed to oldest first, right? |
| [05:14:13] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [05:14:47] | madams_9: | Everything in the left-hand column is checked (btw, do have a recording in progress now just as a test). |
| [05:15:04] | madams_9: | Live TV max age is set at 3. |
| [05:15:24] | madams_9: | Priority weight 3 |
| [05:15:44] | madams_9: | Extra disc space 1 GB |
| [05:15:59] | wagnerrp: | do you have any digital tuners? |
| [05:16:04] | madams_9: | Expire in deleted order is unchecked. |
| [05:16:10] | madams_9: | Negative, strictly cable here. |
| [05:16:24] | madams_9: | Analog cable from Comcast. |
| [05:16:31] | wagnerrp: | because 1GB of freespace is cutting it rather close |
| [05:16:45] | wagnerrp: | default check interval is 15 minutes |
| [05:16:48] | madams_9: | I can go bigger. About how much do you recommend? |
| [05:16:57] | wagnerrp: | default is 10 IIRC |
| [05:17:21] | madams_9: | Looking for default check interval. Cranking up to 11. |
| [05:19:01] | madams_9: | Still not finding default check interval. Do I need to change that? |
| [05:19:19] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont know if you can either |
| [05:19:32] | wagnerrp: | im saying it checks to see if you need to expire anything every 15 minutes |
| [05:19:55] | wagnerrp: | with only 1GB free, a single digital recording would cause you to run out of space between checks |
| [05:21:09] | madams_9: | Ah. Let me see just how much space is out there. I'm not sure how I have it set up to use that space either. |
| [05:24:24] | madams_9: | Drive 1 has 312,853 Mb free |
| [05:24:55] | madams_9: | Drive 2 has 1,246 MB free |
| [05:25:15] | madams_9: | Drive 3 has 1,119 MB free |
| [05:25:28] | wagnerrp: | so for whatever reason, stuff keeps getting put on drive 2 and 3 |
| [05:25:32] | wagnerrp: | and then the next recording deletes it |
| [05:25:44] | wagnerrp: | what storage scheduler are you using? |
| [05:26:09] | wagnerrp: | there are three available |
| [05:26:20] | wagnerrp: | IO based, free space based, and a weighted balance between the two |
| [05:26:24] | wagnerrp: | default is balanced |
| [05:27:34] | wagnerrp: | if IO or balanced, and something is already using drive 1, the scheduler may shift recordings to the other two |
| [05:27:44] | wagnerrp: | which are for all intents and purposes full |
| [05:28:22] | madams_9: | Be aware that drive 2 and 3 are partitions salvaged from my previous myth installation. I'll probably have to just wipe those or save the mpeg's I want because those files are not part of the current mythtv schema and will not be autoexpiring. I know of no way to import them into the current build. |
| [05:29:02] | wagnerrp: | you can move them to mythvideo, if you have any idea what they are |
| [05:29:19] | wagnerrp: | any reason you didnt simply migrate your database over? |
| [05:30:54] | madams_9: | I went to pains to make sure the database was backed up (mysql dumps) and though about it for a bit. I decided that I was installing fresh, may as well go whole hog. |
| [05:31:24] | madams_9: | I've still got the backups, but I'm so far down the road now, I don't think it's an option. |
| [05:31:55] | madams_9: | I ran mythrename on most of these files and the ones that don't have actual names are nothing I can't live without. |
| [05:32:34] | madams_9: | At this point, the only argument for importing them into the current build is that they won't autoexpire and I'll have to say good-bye to them the hard way. |
| [05:33:02] | madams_9: | And I think they are in Mythvideo, but I'm not likely to watch any of these things again. |
| [05:38:45] | Beirdo: | OMG, that's tiring |
| [05:39:26] | madams_9: | The full rebuild? |
| [05:39:28] | Beirdo: | but, I got half a room empty, and I can carry on. |
| [05:39:42] | Beirdo: | no, cleaning (SPIT!) |
| [05:40:08] | madams_9: | Yeah, I'm trying to give that up for a while and see what it's like. |
| [05:40:24] | ** wagnerrp hasnt done a full rebuild since 2006 ** | |
| [05:40:31] | Beirdo: | hah, you don't really wanna do that, it just compounds the job |
| [05:40:36] | Beirdo: | trust me :) |
| [05:41:07] | Beirdo: | full rebuild? |
| [05:41:18] | wagnerrp: | fresh database |
| [05:41:27] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [05:41:36] | Beirdo: | that is no fun |
| [05:41:57] | madams_9: | Aggravation builds character. |
| [05:42:06] | wagnerrp: | one of the drives in my LVM span barfed, taking the whole volume and all of my recordings with it |
| [05:42:17] | wagnerrp: | with no recordings, there was no purpose keeping the database |
| [05:42:18] | Beirdo: | of course, now I don't have a dang chair to sit on |
| [05:42:33] | Beirdo: | I had to stuff it into the other room to get enough space :( |
| [05:42:44] | wagnerrp: | back in the day where i only had about 2TB of storage |
| [05:43:35] | madams_9: | I've got some data, but the stuff I actually covet (like Firefly, and all 7 seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer) are on a different server and backed up to a backup server. |
| [05:43:37] | Beirdo: | yeah that was a while ago |
| [05:43:59] | madams_9: | The part that's actually kicking my ass now is the mcusb remote in lirc. It's really "twitchy". |
| [05:44:06] | wagnerrp: | the LVM was actually just a 200 and 300GB |
| [05:44:25] | wagnerrp: | dvds and other archives were on a hardware array |
| [05:44:57] | madams_9: | I looked at LVM for this pvr, but my backup server is LVM and when a drive goes you're deeply screwed. |
| [05:45:30] | wagnerrp: | plus storage groups replaced the need for LVM in like 2007 or 2008 |
| [05:45:37] | wagnerrp: | was that a 0.20 or 0.21 thing? |
| [05:45:38] | Beirdo: | nothing like 1/n redundancy |
| [05:46:40] | madams_9: | I've been running a Mythbox for something like 3 or 4 years now. I've only been through 3 releases. |
| [05:48:00] | wagnerrp: | then youve likely only ever seen it with storage groups |
| [05:48:11] | wagnerrp: | prior to that, you could only configure a single recording path per backend |
| [05:48:24] | wagnerrp: | raid or LVM was the only option |
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| [05:50:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you remember any discussion about removing the master backend override? |
| [05:51:25] | madams_9: | Okay, I think my issue is resolved (maybe). I have two recordings and 790 GB free (I killed a bunch of stuff). |
| [05:51:36] | Beirdo: | not off the top of my head |
| [05:52:01] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, I'm not the spheripedia |
| [05:52:24] | Beirdo: | my memory tends to be rather... leaky |
| [05:57:25] | madams_9: | Okay, thanks for that assist. I'm out of here. Have a good one. |
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| [06:13:36] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [06:13:49] | wagnerrp: | two users with 14 character names, and i think theyre both legitimate |
| [06:14:12] | wagnerrp: | i think even the retard that made one new account with another is legitimate |
| [06:14:16] | [R]: | now now |
| [06:14:28] | [R]: | they like to be called "differently abled"... not "retarded" |
| [06:15:09] | wagnerrp: | differently abled... like their retard strength makes them great laborers? |
| [06:15:20] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [06:15:51] | [R]: | so im giving my dad my old laptop... since im giving it to him for free... i don't need to clean the dirt from the keyboard right? |
| [06:16:29] | wagnerrp: | well either way, theyre not my favorite polish spammer |
| [06:16:34] | wagnerrp: | so they get benefit of the doubt |
| [06:17:47] | [R]: | i love this part of freaks and geeks... where sam tries to slow dance with cindy... and it stops being a slow song |
| [06:18:40] | wagnerrp: | is that show still on the air? |
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| [06:25:58] | [R]: | unfortunately no :( |
| [06:26:04] | [R]: | going through my mythvideo trying to find stuff to watch |
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| [07:29:43] | Madams9: | Anybody know why my information all says that commercials are flagged, but when I play the recording it claims there are no commercials flagged? I can confirm that the commercial flagging program ran. |
| [07:30:15] | [R]: | because it didn't detect any? |
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| [07:30:50] | Madams9: | Seems like an obvious answer, but if that's true, what can I do to make it a bit more sensitive? |
| [07:30:58] | [R]: | theres a few settings for it |
| [07:31:05] | [R]: | but sometimes it just doesn't detect any |
| [07:31:55] | Madams9: | I think I've just been over all those settings. I turned on the experimental fast flagging program. Anybody know if that's wise? |
| [07:32:18] | [R]: | it just makes it faster |
| [07:32:25] | [R]: | its about the same accuracy wise, so says the dev |
| [07:32:31] | [R]: | and it only works on mpeg2 |
| [07:33:00] | wagnerrp: | so sayeth the dev |
| [07:33:01] | Madams9: | I believe that's fine. I'm using a PVR-150. |
| [07:33:10] | Madams9: | I'll leave it set and see how it goes. |
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| [07:34:19] | Madams9: | Hopefully this thing will perform as well as my previous installs. So far, I'm generally happy with the audio and video quality. |
| [07:34:57] | [R]: | aside from some bitrate settings... myth has nothing to do with that |
| [07:35:10] | Madams9: | All mplayer? |
| [07:35:24] | [R]: | mplayer has nothing to do with myth |
| [07:35:35] | Madams9: | What does myth use? |
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| [07:35:45] | [R]: | the internal player |
| [07:35:46] | wagnerrp: | myth uses myth for playback |
| [07:36:30] | Madams9: | As I typed how satisfied I was with playback, the playback I'm watching started to get a bit choppy. :( |
| [07:36:48] | Madams9: | Are there settings to watch for with that? |
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| [08:04:40] | dekarl: | stuartm, iamlindoro: wrt TMDB, give them some time to fix the known issues. searching for localized names is bugged (but its bugged with the current API, too.), they just offer a release year (but it sticks to the date that was entered first instead of the earliest, making matching by year hard. especially when we'd prefer the year of production) etc. pp. |
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| [08:08:49] | dekarl: | wrt mythbackend not stopping, looks like I took the backtrace from the starting process instead of the not-stopping one, so I couldn't add that. |
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| [08:09:29] | dekarl: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/846960 |
| [08:11:12] | dekarl: | actually, looking at the logs again. might be that this process didn't want to stop either... BT ist at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79592950/gdb.txt |
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| [08:17:19] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: do you remember the issues i was having recording from Channel5? well, I had a recording that seemed to go a lot better yesterday, but it's horribly damaged, so I suspect a signal issue, other transports are ok. |
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| [08:59:17] | justinh: | Peitolm: use femon to check for signal issues when myth is recording :-) Any non-zero values for BER & UNC are bad news basically |
| [08:59:43] | justinh: | UNC is more bad news than non-zero BER. UNC means 'uncorrectable errors' |
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| [09:55:12] | justinh: | hmmm. just booted my frontend remotely so I can start looking at why lirc sometimes doesn't work at boot time via the logs.. and found this.. lircd-0.8.6[1004]: failure connecting to localhost |
| [09:55:39] | justinh: | so I wonder, is lirc trying to start before networking? |
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| [10:01:11] | Peitolm: | bweh? 127.0.0.1 would still exist surely |
| [10:01:59] | quicksilver: | no. There is a time before 127.0.0.1 exists |
| [10:02:06] | quicksilver: | the kernel doesn't boot with lo0 configured. |
| [10:03:55] | Peitolm: | justinh: with femon i get 'Problem retrieving frontend information: Function not implemented |
| [10:03:56] | quicksilver: | that error is the one that lircd shows if you are trying to have two lircds running, one listening for the other |
| [10:04:01] | justinh: | and maybe sometimes lirc is trying to start before then |
| [10:04:16] | Peitolm: | justinh: the BER and UNC numbers, is that a counter? rather than a rate? |
| [10:04:19] | justinh: | quicksilver: not sure I do |
| [10:04:29] | justinh: | Peitolm: no, it's a rate |
| [10:04:38] | Peitolm: | hmm |
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| [10:05:25] | Peitolm: | ah, oops, i appear to have the old sat card still in the machine |
| [10:06:07] | Peitolm: | ooh, it's not happy, dropped lock a couple of times, |
| [10:06:13] | Peitolm: | status SCVYL | signal 82% | snr 88% | ber 135 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [10:06:21] | Peitolm: | status SCVYL | signal 82% | snr 88% | ber 12 | unc 16 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [10:06:35] | Peitolm: | and some ber and unc |
| [10:06:52] | Peitolm: | time to compare to a known sensible transport |
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| [10:07:48] | justinh: | ber of 12 but unc of 16? not sure I'd believe those stats – but then apparently some tuners report things differently |
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| [10:08:13] | justinh: | either way, an UNC of 16 is going to give you at least some "PSCHHHHHHHH" stutter |
| [10:08:48] | Peitolm: | o.k. so on the BBC HD mux, snr 75% , but no errors |
| [10:08:58] | justinh: | if you have more than one tuner, and you're looping the coax from one to another, stop doing that |
| [10:09:09] | Peitolm: | i'm not, the other tuner is unplugged |
| [10:09:21] | Peitolm: | i'm toying with the upgrade to a dual LNB |
| [10:09:34] | justinh: | oh is this a satellite tuner then? |
| [10:09:41] | Peitolm: | yep, |
| [10:10:03] | ontae: | Hi outa there ... anyone who can help me regarding softcam (cccam)? |
| [10:10:03] | justinh: | maybe yer dish is out of whack a bit then.. been v. windy lately |
| [10:10:17] | justinh: | ontae: NO, and discussion of that subject is not allowed here |
| [10:10:45] | Peitolm: | justinh: isn't channel 5 a tighter footprint? but then, i get a higher SNR |
| [10:10:47] | hashbang: | justinh: would UNCs give stutter if they all occurred in streams that weren't actually being watched or recorded (possibly statistically unlikely, I know)? |
| [10:11:09] | Peitolm: | hashbang: it's a UNC on the TS surely |
| [10:11:11] | justinh: | hashbang: depends on yer luck I think |
| [10:11:14] | Peitolm: | (from the femon point of view |
| [10:11:28] | justinh: | depends when & how much was uncorrectable ;-) |
| [10:11:40] | ontae: | justinh: O.K. – a recomandation where this subject is disscussable? |
| [10:11:46] | justinh: | but yeah, likely the whole TS |
| [10:11:57] | justinh: | ontae: there are no such places. Maybe under some rock somewhere |
| [10:12:23] | justinh: | hint – that stuff is mostly under ground |
| [10:12:53] | Peitolm: | justinh: wouldn't have thought an interior checksum would have made much sense if the the PS is always in a TS that has error correction on it already |
| [10:13:21] | justinh: | it's a bit of a cow for mythtv people, but this project is careful. Not everybody is out to steal – we know that, you know that, I know that.. but those are the rules here |
| [10:13:29] | ontae: | justinh: O.K. – will try to find that rock somewhere in the underground |
| [10:14:14] | justinh: | Peitolm: the error correction is for the whole of the mux AFAIK – UNC means that the errors were so bad they couldn't be recovered |
| [10:14:53] | Peitolm: | MUX = TS doesn't it |
| [10:15:31] | justinh: | anyway, point is.. YMMV whether UNCs take out all channels on a transport or not |
| [10:15:53] | justinh: | somebody should teach these new guys it's not OK to just MSG people without asking |
| [10:16:02] | ** justinh glares at ontae ** | |
| [10:16:11] | justinh: | then blocks ontae |
| [10:17:37] | ** Peitolm ponders how best to verfy the alignment of the dish ** | |
| [10:17:55] | ontae: | Sorry – just thought this was your hint ... |
| [10:18:28] | justinh: | minidish, or 60cm proper dish? |
| [10:18:54] | justinh: | if I go down the sat route I'll definitely get a proper dish |
| [10:19:13] | Peitolm: | minidish |
| [10:19:27] | justinh: | alignment is much more critical with those |
| [10:19:44] | justinh: | who installed it? Sky? |
| [10:19:46] | Peitolm: | yeah, i'm aware of that, justnot sure the best way to do it |
| [10:19:58] | Peitolm: | no idea, it was on the side of the house when we bought it 8 years ago |
| [10:20:33] | justinh: | Sky are a bit crap at doing installs. Loads of people I know with Sky get jumps in their recordings when there's 'weather'. they just accept it |
| [10:21:06] | justinh: | your best bet is with a proper satellite alignment meter |
| [10:21:22] | justinh: | or get a bloke in :-) |
| [10:21:58] | justinh: | mind, it's not unheard of for the PC to play a role in signal quality too. Noisy 12V rail, maybe |
| [10:22:02] | Peitolm: | or just use the virgin box for channel 5 :) |
| [10:22:10] | justinh: | or just.. don't use channel 5 |
| [10:23:36] | justinh: | I wish we VM users could use it with mythtv properly.. directly |
| [10:24:11] | Peitolm: | redremote + pvr350 seems to work for me, but yes a nice dvb-c option would be better |
| [10:24:45] | justinh: | haha. I had one of those |
| [10:24:51] | justinh: | you must have a very old VM box |
| [10:25:42] | justinh: | in around 10 years we've been through 3 boxes. Now on a Samsung. The older Pace ones use a stupid IR protocol innit |
| [10:27:40] | justinh: | iplayer on VM is great though. Especially when I can remember the remote keys for navigating the damn thing |
| [10:28:46] | quicksilver: | what's VM, justinh ? |
| [10:29:11] | quicksilver: | virgin media |
| [10:29:29] | quicksilver: | you mean the iplayer built in to the VM set top box? |
| [10:30:13] | justinh: | yeah |
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| [10:31:11] | justinh: | quality is about the same as off-air |
| [10:31:22] | justinh: | more than I can say for the online version |
| [10:32:32] | justinh: | anybody wanna buy a barely used 7" Android tablet? |
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| [10:34:33] | justinh: | psst – it's NOT crap or anything, honest |
| [10:35:39] | justinh: | ach well. I'll have to find a way to make it pay for itself somehow. Like maybe finally get round to doing that whole house audio project |
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| [10:41:15] | quicksilver: | justinh: yes, some of the built in iplayers are far better than the web one |
| [10:41:23] | quicksilver: | justinh: the iplayer HD on my HDTV is really quite impressive |
| [10:41:40] | quicksilver: | and the PS3 is good as well |
| [10:44:14] | justinh: | yeah the sony we have at work is brilliant – and it does some clever unmungling |
| [10:44:29] | justinh: | software players could use some of that deblocking & stuff |
| [10:44:42] | justinh: | even youtube looks pretty good |
| [10:45:02] | justinh: | if a TV can do internet video playback without tearing, why can't flash? :-( |
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| [10:46:43] | sid3windr: | flash! a-aaaah... saviour of the universe! |
| [10:48:07] | quicksilver: | TVs have special circuitry which, being special-purpose does these specific jobs more reliably and on much lower power |
| [10:48:15] | quicksilver: | but, I don't need to tell you that, you know it well enough |
| [10:49:22] | justinh: | you mean, they're embedded so can be trusted not to need stupid DRM |
| [10:50:10] | justinh: | therefore don't *need* flash so work well :-) |
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| [10:54:21] | justinh: | Grrr. I KNEW it was a bad idea to make a facebook page for the site I run. Now people are using it to make enquiries. Which would be okay, if the people assigned to answer questions actually bothered to use it |
| [10:54:42] | justinh: | mind, I'm not even sure they bother to read their emails half the time |
| [10:55:35] | quicksilver: | justinh: yes, also true about not needing the DRM |
| [10:57:55] | ** justinh tries to remember how to list the service startup order on *buntu ** | |
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| [11:00:20] | justinh: | then I try to remember what version of *buntu I'm running on my frontend |
| [11:01:42] | justinh: | ah 10.04 |
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| [11:06:38] | justinh: | from my kernel log, seems lirc is starting before networking. FFS |
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| [11:14:18] | justinh: | ruh? why do I have two lircd devices? :-O |
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| [11:15:26] | justinh: | oh yeah. the blaster. which I don't use |
| [11:16:20] | quicksilver: | I think the IR receiver on my case may be dead, justinh |
| [11:16:25] | quicksilver: | how do I go about buying a new one? |
| [11:16:33] | quicksilver: | are they just little USB widgets these days? |
| [11:17:34] | justinh: | depends |
| [11:17:57] | justinh: | does stuff just die? never had anything USB go wonky on me that wasn't a bad cable |
| [11:18:08] | quicksilver: | well it's not responding any more |
| [11:18:13] | justinh: | to anything? |
| [11:18:14] | quicksilver: | I assumed it was a bad remote control |
| [11:18:26] | quicksilver: | (the remote control had suffered flood damage so it seems a sensibile guess!) |
| [11:18:33] | quicksilver: | I bought a new remote and still nada... |
| [11:18:48] | quicksilver: | clearly I should check the connections before I write it off entirely though |
| [11:20:45] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:21:00] | quicksilver: | unfortunately it's a weird custom one |
| [11:21:03] | justinh: | you might be able to stuff a dismembered MCE remote receiver in the box |
| [11:21:12] | quicksilver: | apparently it can't be driven by normal remote controls at all |
| [11:21:18] | quicksilver: | which is why I had to buy an exact replacement |
| [11:21:25] | quicksilver: | it was on insurance though, at least |
| [11:21:39] | justinh: | meh. get an MCE remote thing in there. moar flexy ;-) |
| [11:22:00] | justinh: | somebody was selling bare MCE compatible remote receiver boards a while back |
| [11:22:30] | quicksilver: | one of these, justinh : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Windows-Control-Infra . . . /B003ZV3J72/ ? |
| [11:22:49] | quicksilver: | 15 quid seems good for receiver + control bundle |
| [11:23:04] | justinh: | http://shop.inteset.com/Products/11-int106-ba . . . ceiver.aspx# |
| [11:24:20] | justinh: | oh it works in linux, the amazon one |
| [11:25:15] | justinh: | one comment says it simulates a keyboard though |
| [11:26:59] | quicksilver: | the comment says that as if it's a bad thing |
| [11:27:03] | quicksilver: | is simulating a keybaord bad? |
| [11:27:14] | quicksilver: | as long as you can remap the keys it shouuld be OK? |
| [11:28:52] | justinh: | maybe, maybe not |
| [11:29:06] | justinh: | I'd prefer not to have to remap keys personally |
| [11:29:07] | quicksilver: | hmm |
| [11:29:07] | quicksilver: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2TNDGVDV53N5X |
| [11:29:13] | quicksilver: | yes I can see that would be a pain |
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| [11:29:23] | justinh: | ooo.. harmony are making remotes with better buttons now |
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| [11:29:41] | justinh: | and DEVICE based remotes! WIN! |
| [11:29:49] | justinh: | see, Harmony 300 |
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| [11:30:40] | quicksilver: | I'd prefer one without a mouse pad |
| [11:30:42] | quicksilver: | it just gets in the way |
| [11:32:00] | justinh: | heh yeah since a mouse to mythtv is as a bicycle to a fish ;-) |
| [11:32:13] | quicksilver: | worse |
| [11:32:20] | quicksilver: | people keep pressing it and expecting stuff to happen |
| [11:32:41] | quicksilver: | it's like a fish disguised as an extra gear lever on the bicycle |
| [11:32:50] | quicksilver: | justinh: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TRIXES-Remote-Control . . . f=pd_cp_ce_2 looks better |
| [11:33:11] | quicksilver: | "I've got it working for my Logitech Harmony 300i and XBMC Live (Ubuntu)." |
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| [11:34:34] | justinh: | yeah but people said that about the other one |
| [11:34:51] | justinh: | still, for 7 quid... |
| [11:35:18] | justinh: | oh. not enough buttons |
| [11:36:00] | quicksilver: | justinh: sure but then could use another remote with it |
| [11:36:15] | quicksilver: | justinh: look at it as 7 quid for a receiver which is known working in linux :) |
| [11:36:24] | quicksilver: | and a cheap remote which may or may not be better than nothign |
| [11:36:34] | justinh: | compro videomate dvb-s tuner for under £22. heheh |
| [11:38:42] | justinh: | BTW I'd not realised Logitech make PROPER remotes |
| [11:39:10] | justinh: | with REAL buttons, not them idiotic hemispheres of bent tin under sticky plastic |
| [11:39:25] | quicksilver: | I mostly want one that doesn't confuse the wife |
| [11:39:35] | quicksilver: | but I never really understood what it was about our current one which did :-( |
| [11:39:38] | justinh: | any remote with buttons can confuse a wife |
| [11:39:50] | quicksilver: | she's happy with the one for the TV and the one for the HiFi |
| [11:40:33] | justinh: | she's still using our old OFA-6 – which is long in the tooth now |
| [11:41:16] | justinh: | I bought a new one – a different model – exactly the same concept with proper names for the guide & info buttons etc – and a well placed menu button – but she insists on using the crappy old one |
| [11:42:06] | justinh: | women! they're not stupid, and yet they refuse to accept new tech |
| [11:42:20] | justinh: | anything different is automatically TOO DIFFICULT |
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| [11:44:58] | justinh: | like, it's taken her forever to learn that INFO is on the 10 button, and menu is on the RED button.. and if you want the record button to work you have to press it twice... |
| [11:45:29] | justinh: | I just can't understand how a different remote with actual NAMES on the INFO, GUIDE & MENU buttons is going to be 'hard' |
| [11:45:36] | quicksilver: | justinh: we have this one – http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/IMON_PAD |
| [11:46:04] | justinh: | eew |
| [11:47:03] | quicksilver: | the main annoying thing about it is the lack of arrow keys |
| [11:47:22] | quicksilver: | we use the 8 buttons on a circle around the mouse pad as arrow keys |
| [11:47:28] | quicksilver: | but the you have to ignore what's written on them |
| [11:47:55] | justinh: | it's like somebody has been given the task to design a remote & they've never seen a good remote in their life |
| [11:48:53] | justinh: | I suppose the 8 buttons around there minic the controller on the panel or something |
| [11:49:00] | justinh: | *mimic, even |
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| [11:49:17] | quicksilver: | those 8 buttons are supposed to be thinks like left mouse, right mouse |
| [11:49:23] | quicksilver: | menu, etc. |
| [11:49:41] | quicksilver: | justinh: what do you look for in a good remote? |
| [11:50:24] | justinh: | number pad, arrow keys, PVR functions (play, pause, stop, rew, ffw, skip+ skip -).. MENU, INFO, GUIDE keys.. |
| [11:50:41] | justinh: | good ergonomics too, not just a rectangle |
| [11:52:00] | quicksilver: | the harmony 300i looks OK |
| [11:52:34] | justinh: | holy crap. it looks like logitech have updated the buttons on all their remotes |
| [11:53:31] | justinh: | using those 'click' type tact switches – especially the very low cost ones they used – on frequently used functions like volume & channel rockers was idiocy |
| [11:53:45] | quicksilver: | because they break after a while? |
| [11:54:35] | justinh: | a while, meaning about 9 months of not quite even daily use |
| [11:54:45] | quicksilver: | nod |
| [11:54:51] | quicksilver: | how can you tell which ones are good ones, justinh ? |
| [11:54:55] | justinh: | oh wait it was actually longer that I had the remote for, but I used it so little |
| [11:55:10] | justinh: | the buttons look like rubber |
| [11:55:33] | justinh: | the irony is that conductive rubber mats & printed contacts are actually very (very!) cheap compared to tact switches |
| [11:56:03] | justinh: | hence why so many remotes have used that form for keys for so long |
| [11:56:12] | justinh: | and calculators... |
| [11:57:01] | justinh: | looks like the worst that can happen to the new buttons is the legend wearing off |
| [11:57:28] | sid3windr: | quicksilver: no arrow keys? what are the arrow key son that remote then? |
| [11:57:32] | sid3windr: | ah, mouse pad? |
| [11:57:42] | sid3windr: | I have that remote too but I never used it |
| [11:58:20] | justinh: | quicksilver: OneForAll know a thing or two about remote ergonomics. Sony on the other hand, do not |
| [11:58:40] | justinh: | nor do B&O, come to think about it |
| [11:59:08] | justinh: | hey I know, we'll have a remote with a button for everything. It'll be one inch wide, one inch thick and 18 inches long! |
| [11:59:12] | quicksilver: | sid3windr: the mouse pad is analog so it's very fiddly to make it work without multiple presses |
| [11:59:18] | justinh: | and all the buttons will look alike |
| [11:59:47] | quicksilver: | sid3windr: even if you get the right driver installed (the default driver doesn't support the pad at all) you find that pressing it quite gently does two 'UP's |
| [11:59:52] | quicksilver: | a real pain for navigating a menu. |
| [12:00:23] | quicksilver: | justinh: our denon one is OK |
| [12:00:34] | quicksilver: | but it's fairly simple, since it only has to control a hifi |
| [12:00:50] | justinh: | panasonic TV remotes are ok too |
| [12:01:19] | justinh: | but yer basic flat rectangular profile.. yeugh |
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| [12:14:47] | quicksilver: | OK well I have a good idea why I don't like that remote now |
| [12:14:49] | quicksilver: | it's the arrow keys. |
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| [12:15:04] | quicksilver: | and maybe I'll buy a generic IR receiver like that above and a better remote. |
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| [12:31:14] | justinh: | now the only thing putting me off having another harmony remote is the inter-key delay |
| [12:31:44] | justinh: | the minimum repeat rate of my 515 was abysmal |
| [12:33:44] | quicksilver: | "It’s kind of remarkable. I’ve set up a couple of PCs and a few TVs over the last couple of years. Buying a new television and setting it up is far more complicated now than buying a computer and setting it up" |
| [12:33:52] | quicksilver: | just what planet is he on? |
| [12:34:12] | quicksilver: | I just bought a TV. I turned it on and it autoscanned. End of setup. |
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| [12:37:35] | justinh: | heh. last time I bought a computer I was appalled that it needed to install the OS |
| [12:38:19] | justinh: | so much for 'preinstalled' or 'ready to go' |
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| [14:00:58] | peque: | Hey guys. I'm running latest git version off mythtv (0.25) and just installed mythdroid on my tablet – but cannot get the tablet to connect ( Seems like 172.16.20.10:6544/xml is missing ? ) what can I do to make it work – Since I cannot get it to work at all ! I'm sure my BE is running mythweb allso - |
| [14:16:40] | justinh: | more like you haven't enabled the remote telnet interface |
| [14:17:38] | justinh: | that, and mythdroid isn't for machines running master AFAIK |
| [14:22:00] | justinh: | see this: "Support MythTV 0.21 – 0.24 " |
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| [14:34:04] | wagnerrp: | its not a telnet! |
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| [14:41:31] | justinh: | it's called that in mythfrontend so that's what it is |
| [14:43:05] | wagnerrp: | oh? show me where so i can fix it |
| [14:45:57] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, IIRC, it is called telnet in the frontend |
| [14:46:01] | tgm4883: | I'd have to look it up though |
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| [14:49:01] | bradd: | where is the setting that controls the ffw/rw settings? |
| [14:49:19] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'm not looking at my frontend, but I'd guess Settings>General>General |
| [14:49:27] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, based on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html |
| [14:49:40] | tgm4883: | 11.5 Controlling the mythfrontend via telnet |
| [14:49:49] | bradd: | used to be able to set it to not skip ahead with the ffw key..it would ffw at 3x, 5x, 10x, etc |
| [14:50:11] | justinh: | stick keys? |
| [14:50:13] | wagnerrp: | bradd: it was formerly called 'sticky keys' |
| [14:50:16] | justinh: | *sticky* keys |
| [14:50:25] | wagnerrp: | that got reworked at some point... i dont know how it currently behaves |
| [14:50:36] | wagnerrp: | i think there are actually now two separate key bindings for the different behavior |
| [14:50:37] | bradd: | i cant seem to find the setting |
| [14:50:37] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [14:50:45] | bradd: | hmmm |
| [14:51:18] | justinh: | oh yeah. "Network Remote Control port". heheh |
| [14:51:45] | justinh: | it's been referred to as 'telnet' interface since its inception though – in at least one place |
| [14:51:57] | wagnerrp: | i know, and i correct that every place i can find it |
| [14:52:05] | wagnerrp: | since its not telnet, its just a generic unicode socket |
| [14:52:27] | wagnerrp: | and any telnet client will vomit the first instant it sees a unicode character |
| [14:53:14] | justinh: | bradd: the setting was removed for 0.24 IIRC |
| [14:54:40] | justinh: | bradd: the idea being, if you want to skip OR FFW/REW, you can define your own keybindings |
| [14:55:07] | bradd: | i liked the old way better :) |
| [14:55:14] | bradd: | but ill figure it out |
| [14:55:14] | justinh: | though I'd have thought the new default would be to 'stick' – i.e. do FFW or REW |
| [14:55:22] | justinh: | old ways stink |
| [14:55:38] | justinh: | like arrow key accelerators |
| [14:55:40] | justinh: | BLEH |
| [14:56:02] | justinh: | next up, users moaning there's no ncurses frontend |
| [14:56:22] | bradd: | im not moaning..calm down sir. |
| [14:56:25] | tgm4883: | justinh, WHAT! There's not an ncurses frontend? |
| [14:56:37] | tgm4883: | I bet XBMC has an ncurses frontend |
| [14:57:02] | wagnerrp: | video playback on the terminal would be crap! |
| [14:57:06] | justinh: | bradd: I didn't say you were. People *do* moan when things change for the better though |
| [14:57:19] | wagnerrp: | or at least some slang version of that term |
| [14:58:12] | wagnerrp: | is libcaca still the "preferred" library for that sort of thing? or has it been supplanted by something more pointless? |
| [14:58:27] | justinh: | bradd: what you want are FFWsticky & rewsticky :-) Currently bound to > and < by default |
| [14:58:49] | justinh: | oops FFWDSTICKY & REWDSTICKY |
| [14:59:45] | bradd: | yea im looking at my keybindings now.i have one frontend that does it that way and one that doesnt..should ne able to figure out what i need to change to make it work the way id prefer |
| [15:01:00] | justinh: | bradd: IIRC only the GUI setting bit was removed so if it's been set the old way it'll stay that way |
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| [15:03:10] | pvr4me: | Please remain calm; this is only a test. |
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| [15:03:48] | mowe: | hi i'm setting up mythtv under arch with a satelco easy watch dvb-c card. just scanning channels does not work, but i found out a frequency and that my card does not support qam auto with w_scan (which finds lots of channels) |
| [15:04:04] | mowe: | so i scanned with a frequency set and qam 64 |
| [15:04:14] | mowe: | and it found some transponders |
| [15:04:25] | mowe: | but no channels show up |
| [15:04:25] | bradd: | yea thats what ive noticd...thanks for the tip |
| [15:04:42] | bradd: | wasnt aware the setting was removed and thought i just couldnt find it |
| [15:05:04] | bradd: | the gui setting that is |
| [15:05:18] | mowe: | what am i doing wrong? w_scan finds channels and names them |
| [15:05:33] | justinh: | there are still about 500 too many settings IMHO |
| [15:08:58] | justinh: | mowe: you might need to adjust timeout settings for your tuner |
| [15:10:46] | mowe: | justinh, ah my mythtv-setup is set to german. there are two time out settings in tv-cards settings |
| [15:10:48] | bradd: | i got it working...had to remove the default keybindings for seekffwd and seekrwnd |
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| [15:10:56] | mowe: | you mean the second one? |
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| [15:12:22] | mowe: | justinh, i am also reading about doing an eit scan. where is that possible? i set video source to eit though |
| [15:12:35] | justinh: | mowe: don't worry about EIT for now |
| [15:13:20] | justinh: | as for the timeout values, I dunno which is which |
| [15:13:59] | mowe: | mh i suppose the second one, its about channel seeking |
| [15:14:48] | mowe: | justinh, is it possible to import initial tuning data from w_scan or something? |
| [15:14:52] | justinh: | no |
| [15:15:01] | mowe: | damn |
| [15:15:12] | justinh: | you're expected to know what frequency & tuning parameters the main transport is on |
| [15:15:28] | mowe: | okay, i know that from w_scan |
| [15:15:35] | justinh: | you can in theory import a channels.conf file but I'm not sure it's supported |
| [15:16:00] | justinh: | technically,scanning in mythtv-setup should work on its own |
| [15:16:44] | mowe: | my card seems to support qam 64 and 256, but the auto setting in mythtv does not work |
| [15:17:08] | mowe: | if i scan qam 64 and then 256, will i be able to add all channels? |
| [15:18:23] | mowe: | okay, i now realized what i did wrong before, i always aborted the scan clicking finished although it was still scanning... i somehow thought it was trough because the button was clickable |
| [15:20:17] | justinh: | it'll be the driver which doesn't support auto |
| [15:21:16] | mowe: | ah okay |
| [15:26:11] | bradd: | thanks again justin..later |
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| [15:35:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: fyi HVR-1800/1850 fixes just got submitted to linux-media (finally). |
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| [15:40:34] | wagnerrp: | fixes to make it analog work with mythtv? |
| [15:40:52] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: A bunch of fixes, probably including the Mythtv stuff. |
| [15:40:58] | wagnerrp: | great |
| [15:41:01] | devinheitmueller: | he did a huge rework, so people should definitely retest. |
| [15:41:22] | devinheitmueller: | The analog for the 1850 was totally broken, regardless of Mythtv. |
| [15:41:57] | devinheitmueller: | (there was no driver support for the cx23888 onboard DIF) |
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| [16:02:40] | vankooch: | hi, is it possible to stream media from myth backend to an ps3? |
| [16:05:47] | tank-man: | yes |
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| [16:05:57] | tank-man: | vankooch, have you tried? |
| [16:06:06] | vankooch: | no |
| [16:06:56] | wagnerrp: | note, that depends on the media |
| [16:07:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no transcoding capabilities in its UPNP server |
| [16:07:14] | wagnerrp: | so the media must be in a format the PS3 can handle |
| [16:07:48] | vankooch: | oh… to bad I need transcoding |
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| [16:08:24] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [16:08:30] | vankooch: | Is there no way o make mythtv transcode my file |
| [16:08:32] | wagnerrp: | recorded content should work fine |
| [16:08:41] | wagnerrp: | so should m2ts files off bluray |
| [16:08:48] | vankooch: | I do not want to transcode alle my hd movies… would take ages |
| [16:09:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, you dont need to transcode them |
| [16:09:09] | wagnerrp: | the m2ts files work just fine |
| [16:09:24] | wagnerrp: | and if you have evobs instead, you can just remux them to m2ts |
| [16:09:54] | wagnerrp: | any digital recordings will be mpeg2 or h264 in a TS, which should also work fine |
| [16:10:39] | wagnerrp: | you should only have problems if you did transcode them in the first place |
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| [16:27:13] | vankooch: | ok thanks for the info… but I do have some Blueray rips mkv what about tose files? |
| [16:27:50] | wagnerrp: | pull the original m2ts back off the disc |
| [16:28:08] | wagnerrp: | and dont remux it and/or transcode it in the first place |
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| [16:42:37] | vankooch: | ok |
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| [16:42:47] | vankooch: | thanks |
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| [16:58:26] | samba35: | hello friends , i am new to this channel and new to this software ,i am planning to build a home dvr what kind of video /tv encoder card do u recommand for mythtv on ubuntu |
| [16:59:34] | wagnerrp: | that depends |
| [16:59:42] | wagnerrp: | what type of television do you wish to record? |
| [17:02:36] | samba35: | can you please tell me what type of television are supported (i am sorry to ask but i really don't know ,i only know 1 tv that is regular tv ) |
| [17:03:59] | wagnerrp: | analog cable or broadcast, digital cable or broadcast or satellite, or iptv |
| [17:04:09] | wagnerrp: | and then there are several different blends of each depending on your region |
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| [17:04:59] | samba35: | understood , |
| [17:05:56] | samba35: | we use analog tv /cable at present but goverment will soon come with digital tv but it will take time |
| [17:06:17] | wagnerrp: | what country? |
| [17:06:23] | samba35: | india |
| [17:07:33] | samba35: | i guess i require tv tunner card |
| [17:07:52] | wagnerrp: | so that would mean PAL and DVB |
| [17:08:05] | samba35: | can you please tell me which one is recommend ,if require |
| [17:08:15] | wagnerrp: | for analog, you want an analog tuner, capable of PAL formats |
| [17:08:22] | wagnerrp: | for digital, youre going to want something DVB-T |
| [17:08:42] | samba35: | ic |
| [17:08:56] | wagnerrp: | i use different formats, so i cant really make any recommendations |
| [17:09:07] | samba35: | on my old setup box it was writen dv |
| [17:09:10] | wagnerrp: | wait around a while, see if one of the european users becomes active |
| [17:09:30] | samba35: | let me give u some dish tv providers name /link so you will get idea |
| [17:10:00] | wagnerrp: | dish... meaning satellite? |
| [17:10:08] | wagnerrp: | then that would be DVB-S/S2 instead of -T |
| [17:10:59] | samba35: | http://www.videocond2h.com/WSC/index.aspx |
| [17:11:18] | samba35: | http://www.reliancedigitaltv.com/home.html |
| [17:11:39] | samba35: | http://www.airtel.in/digitaltv |
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| [17:11:58] | samba35: | at present i use videocon |
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| [17:13:56] | wagnerrp: | for PAL, i would recommend some form of hauppauge MPEG encoder |
| [17:14:04] | wagnerrp: | but i have no experience to recommend anything DVB |
| [17:14:44] | samba35: | ok |
| [17:15:14] | samba35: | do you recommand internal or external card /setupbox |
| [17:15:33] | wagnerrp: | i would recommend against USB if at all possible |
| [17:16:22] | samba35: | if i understood correctly i should not go for USB ? interface |
| [17:17:44] | wagnerrp: | if you have slots available for an internal card, use an internal card |
| [17:18:14] | samba35: | ok |
| [17:18:36] | samba35: | so u dont recommand usb |
| [17:18:36] | mowe: | i am using a channel changer script and it work when i use it from command line eg /usr/local/bin/script 12 for channel 12 |
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| [17:18:51] | mowe: | i added the path in mythtv-setup |
| [17:19:00] | wagnerrp: | mowe: i thought you were using digital tuners |
| [17:19:17] | mowe: | yeah a tv card to get epg info |
| [17:19:26] | samba35: | do u know any good internal card which works with all feature of mythtv ? |
| [17:19:44] | wagnerrp: | samba35: no, i dont know anything about DVB cards, as we dont have that format over here |
| [17:19:55] | samba35: | ok |
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| [17:20:11] | mowe: | the problem is, the led flashes when the script is called from the frontend |
| [17:20:18] | wagnerrp: | mowe: you're using a digital tuner to pull guide data for analog channels? |
| [17:20:27] | mowe: | wagnerrp, right |
| [17:20:35] | mowe: | i know it sounds weird |
| [17:20:44] | wagnerrp: | erm.. i guess with an external changer, they would be digital channels accessed through a set top box |
| [17:20:56] | mowe: | exactly |
| [17:21:15] | mowe: | i don't want to bother with ci modules anymore |
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| [17:21:47] | mowe: | well normally i would expect mythtv to execute my command like i do on the command line |
| [17:21:50] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a permissions issue on whatever device you are using to communicate with the box? |
| [17:22:05] | wagnerrp: | the user you are logged into has rights, but the user mythbackend is running as does not |
| [17:22:21] | mowe: | it run by the same user |
| [17:22:27] | mowe: | *it's |
| [17:22:39] | wagnerrp: | if the script returns anything but success (return code of 0), the tuning will be marked as failed, and the recording aborted |
| [17:22:59] | mowe: | ah maybe it doesn' retun anything then |
| [17:23:16] | wagnerrp: | it must return something |
| [17:23:29] | mowe: | yeah it finishes with exit 0 |
| [17:23:37] | mowe: | that should be succesfull then right |
| [17:23:40] | mowe: | ? |
| [17:23:44] | samba35: | wagnerrp, thanks be right back |
| [17:23:48] | wagnerrp: | most shell scripts will return the exit code of the last program run in the script |
| [17:24:11] | wagnerrp: | if you explicitly 'exit 0', it will always exit successfully |
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| [17:25:05] | mowe: | http://pastebin.com/66cjiPBw |
| [17:25:24] | mowe: | wagnerrp, that's the script, it's short so it would be very nice if you could take a look |
| [17:25:32] | mowe: | it works perfectly from commandline |
| [17:26:16] | wagnerrp: | youve restarted the backend since configuring it? |
| [17:26:58] | mowe: | the whole pc or just the backend? |
| [17:27:17] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend |
| [17:27:17] | mowe: | i mean the backend is switched of when mythtv-setup is run anyway |
| [17:27:40] | mowe: | then yes |
| [17:27:44] | wagnerrp: | if youre using mythbuntu, mythbuntu will automatically terminate mythbackend when you run mythtv-setup |
| [17:27:55] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, mythtv-setup can run just fine at the same time as mythbackend |
| [17:28:02] | mowe: | no, i'm using arch |
| [17:28:29] | mowe: | but a window pops up when running mythtv-setup that asks if mythbackend should be terminated |
| [17:28:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup will warn you if the backend is running |
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| [17:28:50] | wagnerrp: | and will attempt to terminate it if you tell it to |
| [17:29:02] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what would happen if it fails to terminate it |
| [17:29:03] | mowe: | i ran it in a terminal window |
| [17:29:36] | mowe: | so i suppose it was not running |
| [17:29:48] | mowe: | anyway i will try it |
| [17:30:03] | mowe: | right now im running mythfilldatabase, so ill have to wait |
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| [17:32:36] | mowe: | but is it true that mythtv sends the channel number with the script? if i configure a channel to be 1 mythtv sends 1 etc. |
| [17:33:02] | mowe: | the setting in mythtv is just /usr/local/bin/script.sh |
| [17:33:22] | mowe: | or do i have to add $1 or something? |
| [17:33:29] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv just appends the channel number to the end of whatever string you provide there |
| [17:34:43] | mowe: | weird... i saw the led blinking... but the channel did not change... |
| [17:34:56] | mowe: | do i have to add a space in the setting? |
| [17:35:13] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [17:35:34] | mowe: | mmh even if mythtv sent a total bogus number, the stb should react |
| [17:35:50] | mowe: | so it must be that the script does not exit right |
| [17:36:52] | wagnerrp: | the script should run regardless |
| [17:37:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv would just terminate the recording if it did not exit right |
| [17:37:10] | wagnerrp: | but youre saying the STB doesnt do anything, correct? |
| [17:37:35] | mowe: | correct |
| [17:37:53] | wagnerrp: | but it does when run from the command line? |
| [17:39:38] | mowe: | it does |
| [17:40:06] | jm|laptop: | is the tuner used for a recording held anywhere? |
| [17:40:52] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: only prior to actually recording |
| [17:41:02] | wagnerrp: | once the recording is finished, that information can only be found in the logs |
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| [17:41:08] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: I see. Thanks. |
| [17:41:11] | wagnerrp: | there is a utility on the wiki that can parse the logs for that information |
| [17:41:19] | jm|laptop: | I have a suspect tuner and I was trying to prove it |
| [17:42:47] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: if it likely to be logged in `logging` ? |
| [17:43:19] | wagnerrp: | possibly, probably not |
| [17:43:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean the terminal logs |
| [17:43:33] | jm|laptop: | ok. Thanks. |
| [17:44:17] | jm|laptop: | "Tuning recording: "Black Mirror":"The Entire History of You": channel 1052 on cardid 33, sourceid 1" encouraging though |
| [17:44:55] | mowe: | if i execute the script while mythfrontend is running, there is a LOT of delay |
| [17:46:15] | mowe: | ah it's because myth is caching what it's recording right? |
| [17:46:28] | mowe: | so that is normal |
| [17:47:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is just recording, straight to disk, always |
| [17:47:47] | wagnerrp: | live tv is nothing more than a recording with a bit of glue to allow changing channels |
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| [17:48:36] | mowe: | yeah, and recording from /dev/video0 must somehow have a delay to |
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| [17:48:57] | mowe: | i mean compared to the settop box |
| [17:48:58] | wagnerrp: | for hardware encoders, there is a delay |
| [17:49:02] | wagnerrp: | for framegrabbers, there is not |
| [17:49:36] | mowe: | ah okay-- i am using a pvr 350 so i suppose i cannot do anything about the delay |
| [17:50:22] | wagnerrp: | you can stop watching tv live... :) |
| [17:50:50] | mowe: | jepp, i just want to record |
| [17:50:57] | mowe: | i don't really care about the delay |
| [17:51:04] | mowe: | but the channel change should work |
| [17:51:35] | mowe: | if i want to watch tv, i can simply hook up the settopbox to the tv |
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| [17:56:26] | mowe: | wagnerrp, but is it okay to use channel data etc. found by the dvb-c card as video source for the pvr s-video in? |
| [17:57:13] | wagnerrp: | no, analog and digital channels cannot be mixed in a single source |
| [17:57:34] | wagnerrp: | even though they are technically digital, they are accessed through the STB, so to mythtv they are analog |
| [17:57:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning they are tuned with a channel number, rather than channel and streamid |
| [17:57:56] | mowe: | i get that, but how can i use the epg data then? |
| [17:58:11] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that |
| [17:58:24] | mowe: | ah okay... |
| [17:58:37] | wagnerrp: | look for an XMLTV grabber you can use instead |
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| [17:58:57] | mowe: | okay |
| [17:59:06] | jm|laptop: | when you mark 'never record' in mythweb, where is that stored in the db? |
| [17:59:17] | jm|laptop: | I thought it would put a pretend 'recorded' entry in |
| [17:59:25] | kormoc: | oldrecord |
| [17:59:43] | kormoc: | (or is it oldrecorded …) |
| [17:59:52] | jm|laptop: | oldrecorded I think |
| [18:00:10] | kormoc: | recorded is the currently recorded files, oldrecorded is the historic data |
| [18:00:35] | jm|laptop: | oic |
| [18:01:01] | jm|laptop: | I seem to have 285 rows in oldrecorded with starttime > today |
| [18:01:57] | ** jm|laptop checks the wiki ** | |
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| [18:06:34] | mowe: | wagnerrp, okay it works... probably i should get a better card though, the s-video in of the pvr 350 does not encode prettily |
| [18:07:30] | ** jm|laptop tries to work out why mythweb is being unresponsive ** | |
| [18:09:41] | kormoc: | check your MBE |
| [18:10:31] | jm|laptop: | it's working, just sporadically slower |
| [18:10:36] | jm|laptop: | which little load on the MBE |
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| [18:12:49] | kormoc: | randomly or when you do specific things? |
| [18:13:02] | jm|laptop: | well, changing time and date in listings, atm |
| [18:13:08] | jm|laptop: | it stacks 2 or 3 requests |
| [18:13:39] | kormoc: | so it's all database time |
| [18:13:50] | jm|laptop: | probably, yes |
| [18:18:06] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: I often amend my recordings based on the schedule as I work through day to day |
| [18:18:23] | jm|laptop: | to make sure it 'has worked' properly, I frequently re-check the schedule to see it is showing as I expect |
| [18:18:49] | jm|laptop: | I currently see now way to 'refresh' the very time and date I'm viewing. Browser refresh takes me back to 'now' |
| [18:19:02] | kormoc: | That's true actually |
| [18:19:05] | jm|laptop: | <td class="x-jumpto"><span class='link' onclick="list_update($('date_select')[$('date_select').selectedIndex].value );"><?php echo t('J ump To') ?>:</span></td> |
| [18:19:19] | jm|laptop: | I added that <span> around Jump To: to alleviate this |
| [18:19:26] | jm|laptop: | but I don't know how to diff or submit patches :/ |
| [18:20:46] | jm|laptop: | (in list_data.php) |
| [18:21:14] | kormoc: | get a unchanged list_data.php and run diff oldFile newFile > file.patch |
| [18:21:20] | kormoc: | and that's all there is |
| [18:21:26] | kormoc: | (I think I got the order right) |
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| [18:24:07] | mybox1776: | Anyone here have any luck w/ the Hauppauge HVR-850? I am having trouble with it – and in general. |
| [18:24:11] | mowe: | i found a program to creat xmltv files from epg data tv_grab_dvb, but how can i get mythtv to use it? |
| [18:24:29] | mowe: | in mythtv-setup there is only the SchedulesDirect option |
| [18:24:32] | mybox1776: | No matter how many time I "remove" MythTV when I re-install it – everything comes back w/ the same config. |
| [18:24:54] | wagnerrp: | mybox1776: thats because you never removed the database |
| [18:25:01] | wagnerrp: | all configuration data is stored in the database |
| [18:25:08] | wagnerrp: | so if you remove mythtv, the configuration data remains |
| [18:25:56] | mybox1776: | Should I choose the "completely" remove? Ok. So is there a simple way to do that? Also, my hauppague 850 card seems to be detected by Linux... shows up when I do a lsusb -v |
| [18:26:19] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt mean anything |
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| [18:26:30] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: is there something you'd like to me to do with this patch? |
| [18:26:31] | wagnerrp: | lsusb just enumerates the devices on the USB bus |
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| [18:26:39] | jm|laptop: | and please don't be rude :P |
| [18:26:41] | kormoc: | jm|laptop, you can submit it to code.mythtv.org if you'd like |
| [18:26:42] | wagnerrp: | if the device is powered, it will show up in LSUSB |
| [18:27:17] | wagnerrp: | mybox1776: for your device to work, it must have drivers, they must be loaded, and they must have created a /dev/dvb/adapter<n> node |
| [18:28:38] | mybox1776: | so I guess I need to dload and install the Ivtv drivers? |
| [18:28:52] | wagnerrp: | no, as that is not an ivtv device, nor should it be used for analog |
| [18:28:58] | wagnerrp: | it should be used for digital only |
| [18:29:01] | devinheitmueller: | All three variants of the HVR-850 are supported as long as you have a recent kernel. |
| [18:29:27] | devinheitmueller: | (patches for the newest variant were submitted almost a year ago) |
| [18:30:10] | devinheitmueller: | Run ls -l /dev/video0 and ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [18:30:59] | mybox1776: | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 2012-01–04 12:56 /dev/video0 |
| [18:31:12] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: is there a ticket for this already? Sorry, I'm entirely new to this :/ |
| [18:31:15] | devinheitmueller: | mybox1776: ok, from a driver standpoint then you're good to go. |
| [18:31:27] | kormoc: | jm|laptop, no, there wouldn't be |
| [18:31:35] | mybox1776: | mybox@mybox2:/$ ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [18:31:35] | mybox1776: | ls: cannot access /dev/dvb/adapter0: No such file or directory |
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| [18:32:47] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [18:33:15] | mybox1776: | running xbuntu |
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| [18:35:08] | devinheitmueller: | pastebin your dmesg output |
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| [18:38:36] | mybox1776: | my entire dmesg? |
| [18:39:21] | devinheitmueller: | SUre. |
| [18:42:52] | mybox1776: | http://pastebin.com/WpTKmfVY |
| [18:43:43] | devinheitmueller: | what kernel is this? |
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| [18:46:30] | devinheitmueller: | mybox1776: son of a b***ch if Mauro didn't break the damn cx231xx driver again... |
| [18:48:18] | mybox1776: | what happened |
| [18:48:19] | mybox1776: | ? |
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| [18:48:34] | mybox1776: | did I discover a bug? :) |
| [18:48:39] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait. This might be the regression I already fixed in 3.1. |
| [18:50:47] | devinheitmueller: | Your output is pretty suspicious. |
| [18:50:58] | mybox1776: | I swear I didn't anything |
| [18:50:59] | mybox1776: | :) |
| [18:51:02] | devinheitmueller: | I can't so for certain, but this reminds me of this issue which I already fixed: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel . . . .head/311769 |
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| [18:51:24] | mybox1776: | so earlier you said my driver issue is not the prob |
| [18:51:31] | mybox1776: | am "good to go" |
| [18:51:33] | mybox1776: | whats missing? |
| [18:51:58] | devinheitmueller: | I said that when I saw /dev/video0 present, but before you pointed out that /dev/dvb/adapter0 was missing. |
| [18:52:09] | mybox1776: | gotcha |
| [18:52:31] | devinheitmueller: | Your best bet would be to install a current kernel and see if those errors in dmesg disappear. |
| [18:52:53] | devinheitmueller: | In particular, these: http://pastebin.com/pniRBpmv |
| [18:53:14] | devinheitmueller: | You may wish to download a livecd of the latest xbuntu beta build and then look at dmesg. |
| [18:53:25] | devinheitmueller: | (that might be quicker than you trying to install an unsupported kernel) |
| [18:53:38] | mybox1776: | That's what I am going to do. |
| [18:54:44] | devinheitmueller: | It doesn't even need to be "xbuntu". If you can only get a livecd for the regular ubuntu, that would be good enough in this case. |
| [18:55:29] | mybox1776: | in general, this box seems suspect anyhow. Like, sometimes my root password works, sometimes it doesn't... particularly when xcreen saver kicks in – wont accept password... Also, SU sometimes will just not work.. it's wierd |
| [18:55:51] | devinheitmueller: | That would be totally unrelated to the issues exhibited with the tuner. |
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| [18:56:21] | mybox1776: | oh i know just saying that I have other issues... gunna try a live CD now |
| [18:56:25] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
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| [19:05:36] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: I'm abouts to submit my first ever ticket. Please don't thump me if it's wrong |
| [19:07:17] | jm|laptop: | from small acorns and all that |
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| [19:50:33] | skd5aner: | So – Paul has basically checking in some of his mythmusic stuff and has decided to abandon any additional work on it? |
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| [19:56:02] | jams: | skd5aner- where did you get that last bit of info from? |
| [19:59:10] | skd5aner: | jams: reading between the lines here – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/500014 |
| [19:59:54] | skd5aner: | guess he's not really abandoning, just burned out it seems |
| [20:01:28] | justinh: | it'd be a big undertaking whatever IMHO |
| [20:01:29] | skd5aner: | ABC is releasing a new series call "Good Christian Bitches"?! |
| [20:01:42] | skd5aner: | justinh: no doubt |
| [20:02:57] | justinh: | I only tend to use my phone with a squeezeplayer client now. It just takes too long to make playlists with a remote |
| [20:03:18] | k-man: | my mythtv box is too slow *sigh* |
| [20:03:43] | skd5aner: | ABC apparently thinks "Bitch" is the new buzzword for series, since they also plan on premiering "Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23" sometime this year too |
| [20:03:46] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [20:03:52] | k-man: | it takes too long to recompile |
| [20:04:11] | justinh: | k-man: get ccache, or stop changing so many libs :P |
| [20:04:22] | k-man: | justinh, I have ccache |
| [20:04:48] | k-man: | justinh, and I haven't done a build for ages, since then I updated a lot – so a make clean was required |
| [20:05:01] | justinh: | heh that'd do it |
| [20:05:09] | ** justinh prescribes MOARCPU ** | |
| [20:07:23] | k-man: | justinh, yeah, thats what I need – probably more ram too |
| [20:08:01] | jams: | skd5aner- ah yeah |
| [20:08:16] | k-man: | and recently I have noticed it takes ages to start playing a recording. I'm not sure it it actually takes longer than before or I have just become more impatione |
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| [20:08:35] | k-man: | justinh, hows your theme going anyway? |
| [20:10:16] | justinh: | back burnered for the moment |
| [20:10:45] | justinh: | Did status-ui.xml for a bit then got intensely bored |
| [20:10:47] | k-man: | damn it! I know that feeling though :) |
| [20:11:20] | justinh: | I haven't had any overriding feeling about redoing any screens in a major way though, so that's a good thing |
| [20:12:10] | justinh: | chuffing heck that was a big mythmusic commit. |
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| [20:22:01] | k-man: | justinh, which one? |
| [20:26:05] | justinh: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8e2982436 |
| [20:29:55] | justinh: | only going by the line difference count but even so... |
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| [20:36:46] | k-man: | yeah, epic |
| [20:50:11] | k-man: | yay, finaly finished building |
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| [21:07:06] | loganirc: | is there any way to set up a server or something so that I can view mythtv content with apple TV |
| [21:07:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a UPNP server the appletv can use |
| [21:07:58] | wagnerrp: | however, chances are the appletv will not be able to play any content mythtv would have stored on it |
| [21:08:42] | loganirc: | how do I configure the UPNP server? |
| [21:09:02] | wagnerrp: | there is no configuration |
| [21:09:13] | loganirc: | how do I access it |
| [21:09:22] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: because the appletv is grossly underpowered or lack of codec support? |
| [21:09:46] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: both |
| [21:09:57] | loganirc: | well seems like it should be possible to set up a program to auto convert it to some format apple tv will understand |
| [21:10:05] | wagnerrp: | the original one was just underpowered, weak processor, and only partial MPEG2 offload |
| [21:10:18] | loganirc: | this is version 2 I suppose |
| [21:10:39] | wagnerrp: | the current one is fairly decent, using the same graphics decoder as is in the GMA500 systems, but apple artificially restricts its performance |
| [21:10:56] | loganirc: | restricts its performance? |
| [21:10:58] | loganirc: | why |
| [21:11:00] | wagnerrp: | loganirc: you access it through UPNP |
| [21:11:24] | wagnerrp: | UPNP is s standard, servers advertise themselves on the network, clients automatically detect them and can stream content from them |
| [21:11:44] | wagnerrp: | loganirc: i dont know why, they want to restrict the appletv to content you were likely to get through itunes |
| [21:11:51] | loganirc: | suppose I need to open the port on my firewall, any idea what port it uses for UPNP |
| [21:12:01] | stuartm: | loganirc: I assume so that when they release the AppleTV 3 they can extract more money from your wallet |
| [21:12:05] | wagnerrp: | no, UPNP works only on the local network |
| [21:12:21] | wagnerrp: | unless youre talking about a firewall on your backend machine |
| [21:12:36] | loganirc: | the firewall would block incoming connection on my LAN |
| [21:12:37] | wagnerrp: | note, you do have to tell mythbackend to operate on a routable address |
| [21:12:49] | wagnerrp: | if you told mythtv to use 127.0.0.1, the UPNP server will be disabled |
| [21:13:03] | stuartm: | that's their past form for the iPhone et al, underpower/cripple some aspect of it so they can sell you the newer version 6 months later |
| [21:13:45] | wagnerrp: | except its been two years and no new version? |
| [21:13:59] | stuartm: | maybe they've run out of ideas? |
| [21:14:23] | wagnerrp: | no, i think they just wanted to keep you using itunes, so they limited the box to the type and bitrate of content they offered on itunes |
| [21:14:26] | loganirc: | wagnerrp, yeah possible I guess |
| [21:14:35] | loganirc: | stuartm, that I could believe |
| [21:15:00] | wagnerrp: | theyre still using the old A4 chip, they havent started selling units with the newer A5 chip |
| [21:15:08] | wagnerrp: | even though that has been in the ipad for some time |
| [21:15:12] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: oh, you mean the appletv specifically? I thought they'd announced the next iteration of that, it's a complete TV (screen + tuner) |
| [21:15:49] | ** stuartm doesn't follow Apple developments closely, so take anything he says with a pinch of salt ** | |
| [21:15:56] | loganirc: | wagnerrp, o.k.k have to reset the IP address, hopefully that won't screw up anything else |
| [21:16:10] | wagnerrp: | loganirc: remember to change both IPs |
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| [22:03:07] | devinheitmueller: | mybox1776: the good news is I know exactly what your problem is. The bad news is that it isn't currently fixed in the kernel, nor do I have any patches pending for it. |
| [22:03:27] | devinheitmueller: | mybox1776: ^ in case you happen to read the ircbot log... |
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| [22:22:27] | slowone: | sphery: from a few days ago: I went from vdpau normal -> vdpau slim this weekend and the ghosting/bleed through went away... thanks!! |
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| [22:25:39] | sgsax: | I've got a question about remotes, if anybody has a moment to bounce some ideas around |
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| [22:27:44] | sgsax: | I'm looking at replacing my current frontend with a jetway nettop |
| [22:28:11] | sgsax: | these include what claims to be a mce-compatible remote with a built-in IR receiver |
| [22:28:59] | sgsax: | I was testing one last night and it seems some of the buttons (most importantly the arrow and ok buttons) don't generate any codes at all |
| [22:29:24] | sgsax: | what other diagnostics are there besides xev to test this? |
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| [22:29:56] | sgsax: | I also tried cat'ing the /dev node, and didn't get any input there, either |
| [22:32:25] | sgsax: | I'm currently using a homebrew serial IR dongle with a hauppauge remote, and since new boxes don't have serial ports, I'm looking for a replacement |
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| [22:45:23] | gregL: | sgsax: You might get some insight to what you need to do from this recent mailing list thread... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND |
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| [22:49:24] | sgsax: | ultimately, if I can not have to use lirc, that would be great |
| [22:53:37] | sgsax: | I should note I'm using mythbuntu maverick, which is a year out of date |
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| [23:26:25] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [23:26:31] | Beirdo: | clueless user alert. |
| [23:27:03] | Beirdo: | imagine that. The changes from Dec 2 aren't reflected in your build from Nov 15 |
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| [23:48:15] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: this after being obstinate about it in the ticket |
| [23:49:02] | Beirdo: | yeah. He needs a clue-bat |
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