| Monday, January 2nd, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:26] | JamesJRH: | I know, that's why I'm going for capture. |
| [00:00:27] | wagnerrp: | over here, we have DRM issues as i was discussing with bixter |
| [00:00:42] | JamesJRH: | US? |
| [00:00:48] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:01:03] | Seeker`: | hmm, are there any USB DVB-S2 tuners? |
| [00:01:06] | JamesJRH: | Apparently DRM is worse there. |
| [00:01:15] | wagnerrp: | anything satellite is out of the question, the subscription services dont allow external hardware |
| [00:01:26] | wagnerrp: | anything cable can be accessed using a cablecard tuner |
| [00:01:37] | JamesJRH: | Ooh. |
| [00:01:46] | wagnerrp: | but since mythtv is open source, and as such cannot implement (or at least not enforce) any form of DRM |
| [00:01:58] | wagnerrp: | we only get access to the content marked DRM free through such tuners |
| [00:02:02] | JamesJRH: | I didn't know that... Not that we have cable. |
| [00:02:16] | wagnerrp: | and which content that is varies from provider to provider |
| [00:02:25] | wagnerrp: | and sometimes even from show to show on the same channel |
| [00:02:26] | JamesJRH: | Ok, yes. |
| [00:03:06] | wagnerrp: | some (comcast/verizon) are more lax, some are not so much (time warner) |
| [00:04:53] | JamesJRH: | I hate DRM. |
| [00:05:18] | wagnerrp: | all consumers hate DRM, most just dont know it |
| [00:05:22] | JamesJRH: | Seeker`: Why not DVB-T? |
| [00:05:45] | wagnerrp: | because DVB-T tuners cannot access freesat feeds |
| [00:06:05] | Seeker`: | JamesJRH: ^ that |
| [00:06:27] | Seeker`: | and DVB-S2 because DVB-S tuners can't access freesat HD |
| [00:07:03] | JamesJRH: | What? Freesat has more than Freeview? I though they had the same channels. |
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| [00:07:14] | Seeker`: | slightly more |
| [00:07:24] | Seeker`: | nothing majorly decent |
| [00:07:56] | Seeker`: | but it has HD stuff in my area, and I believe there is a higher probability of them getting more HD channels due to bandwidth limitations on freeview |
| [00:07:57] | JamesJRH: | Is Freesat a superset of Freeview; does it have all that Freeview has? |
| [00:07:59] | wagnerrp: | plus S2 devices are far more common than T2 devices |
| [00:08:11] | Seeker`: | JamesJRH: I believe so |
| [00:08:26] | Seeker`: | http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-you-get/our-channels |
| [00:08:44] | JamesJRH: | Awesome, I'll look into that. |
| [00:09:03] | Seeker`: | hmm, doesn't look like it is a superset |
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| [00:09:41] | Beirdo: | OK, let's see if this will gack or not |
| [00:10:03] | Seeker`: | NOVA-T500 (what I have atm) and a USB DVB-S2 tuner would be great |
| [00:10:34] | wagnerrp: | i remember gack |
| [00:10:40] | JamesJRH: | I have a spare PCI-E, broken ariel, 2 spare satellite cables. Maybe I should go sat. |
| [00:10:44] | wagnerrp: | wasnt that stuff mostly corn starch and some bonding agent? |
| [00:11:17] | wagnerrp: | or repair the aerial |
| [00:12:21] | Seeker`: | If I had enough PCI-E for a raid card and S2 tuner, I'd go with that straight away |
| [00:12:36] | wagnerrp: | raid card? what for? |
| [00:12:39] | Beirdo: | oh, it would probably help if I didn't disable the media monitor |
| [00:12:50] | Seeker`: | sorry, not raid card, more SATA ports. Sorry, tired |
| [00:12:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: was it you who mentioned my keyboard pickup might be directional? |
| [00:13:26] | wagnerrp: | i turned it 90deg, moved it about 5" closer |
| [00:13:33] | wagnerrp: | it works oh... so.. .much... better |
| [00:13:54] | wagnerrp: | note, point flat end away from device |
| [00:14:16] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [00:15:39] | JamesJRH: | wagnerrp: Yes ideally, someone's been to look at it, but apparently it's the wire and the fault could be anywhere but probably involves messing up plaster work somewhere. |
| [00:15:58] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [00:16:16] | wagnerrp: | cant pull a new wire without significant roof repair? |
| [00:16:17] | Beirdo: | wonder why I don't see it trying to mount that USB stick |
| [00:18:01] | Beirdo: | stuartm: is there some hidden setting to allow this to operate? |
| [00:19:28] | JamesJRH: | wagnerrp: I don't know, it's a 370 year-old house with stone walls... in a place with no mobile signal and that still has 1.5Mbps broadband. |
| [00:19:42] | JamesJRH: | I live in the sticks. |
| [00:19:56] | wagnerrp: | yikes... 370 |
| [00:20:11] | Beirdo: | aka NOT North America :) |
| [00:20:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:20:21] | wagnerrp: | anything that old over here is either rubble or a historical Mission |
| [00:20:33] | JamesJRH: | Lol! |
| [00:20:48] | wagnerrp: | those spanish, they knew how to build 'em |
| [00:20:49] | Beirdo: | pretty much. Quebec City may have a few buildings getting close to that |
| [00:20:58] | Beirdo: | the French did too :) |
| [00:20:59] | JamesJRH: | Yes stone with wooden beams. |
| [00:21:05] | wagnerrp: | french did missions as well? |
| [00:21:21] | wagnerrp: | or just french buildings in general |
| [00:21:24] | Beirdo: | the oldest city on this continent is French |
| [00:22:05] | wagnerrp: | i just say missions, since theyre the only thing likely to be intentionally preserved |
| [00:22:17] | wagnerrp: | everything else gets paved over for bigger and better |
| [00:22:21] | Beirdo: | built a fort there in 1535 |
| [00:22:49] | Seeker`: | JamesJRH: whereabouts in the UK are you? |
| [00:22:51] | Beirdo: | founded as a city 1608 |
| [00:22:59] | wagnerrp: | likely now a compost heap |
| [00:23:10] | Beirdo: | so there might be one or two public buildings there of that age |
| [00:23:12] | wagnerrp: | back then, you built using what was available, which was wood |
| [00:23:13] | JamesJRH: | Seeker`: Shropshire. |
| [00:23:18] | Beirdo: | but doubt any houses |
| [00:23:41] | wagnerrp: | sand lasts, wood doesnt |
| [00:23:49] | wagnerrp: | i doubt there was much made out of stone at that time |
| [00:23:59] | wagnerrp: | since they didnt have the industry built up to do so as in europe |
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| [00:24:33] | JamesJRH: | I have to say, though, it's probably one of the highest-tech buildings that old. Air-source heat pump, under-floor heating, Ethernet, Linux-everything... |
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| [00:24:48] | JamesJRH: | :-) |
| [00:25:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: wasnt jamestown founded in 1607? |
| [00:25:12] | wagnerrp: | sure it wasnt a fort before that, but i think it was a city first |
| [00:25:33] | wagnerrp: | i think there was actually something in the south east prior to that |
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| [00:26:10] | Beirdo: | I think it was a village first :) |
| [00:26:25] | Beirdo: | but yeah, the oldest settlement is in Virginia |
| [00:26:31] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [00:26:38] | Beirdo: | dbus not working? |
| [00:27:04] | JamesJRH: | Seeker`: Shropshire is not a great place when you're 20 and looking for a tech career. |
| [00:27:10] | Beirdo: | Hah. |
| [00:27:14] | Beirdo: | dbus not installed! |
| [00:27:16] | Seeker`: | JamesJRH: heh, yeah, doesn't sound great |
| [00:27:39] | JamesJRH: | Seeker`: Where're you? |
| [00:27:51] | Seeker`: | JamesJRH: London-ish |
| [00:28:07] | Beirdo: | 2012-01–01 16:27:40.222648 A MMUnix:CheckMountable: DBus interface error: The name org.freedesktop.UDisks was not provided by any .service files |
| [00:28:10] | JamesJRH: | That's more like it! :-) |
| [00:28:11] | Beirdo: | WTH? |
| [00:28:44] | wagnerrp: | isnt dbus getting replaced by some other standard? |
| [00:29:11] | Beirdo: | who knows |
| [00:29:17] | Beirdo: | but that's what we have code for now |
| [00:29:25] | Beirdo: | and it's not working on my setup |
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| [00:31:28] | Beirdo: | Got it |
| [00:31:33] | Beirdo: | apt-get install udisks |
| [00:31:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:32:34] | Beirdo: | definitely not Scottish |
| [00:33:09] | Beirdo: | now findMountPath() is repeatedly whining that I have no mountpoint for the USB key |
| [00:33:22] | Beirdo: | and it keeps spewing /dev/sr0 No disc too |
| [00:34:52] | Beirdo: | Oh, this is lovely |
| [00:35:01] | Beirdo: | if (myth_system(PATHTO_MOUNT + " > /tmp/mounts") != GENERIC_EXIT_OK) |
| [00:35:08] | Beirdo: | then we read it back |
| [00:35:17] | Beirdo: | sounds like time for an output pipe. |
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| [00:41:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... are you sure that redirect will work? |
| [00:42:10] | Beirdo: | heh, it should |
| [00:42:13] | wagnerrp: | assuming we pass it through bourne rather than execute it directly, it should work |
| [00:42:14] | wagnerrp: | but... |
| [00:42:19] | Beirdo: | but that's a BAD way to do it |
| [00:42:47] | wagnerrp: | im confused |
| [00:42:52] | wagnerrp: | why are we executing the mount path? |
| [00:43:23] | Beirdo: | to find the mount points |
| [00:43:24] | wagnerrp: | sure, directories have to be executable to read them |
| [00:43:28] | Beirdo: | as I said, it's a mess |
| [00:43:31] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think thats quite how it works |
| [00:43:40] | Beirdo: | that's the path to mount |
| [00:43:49] | Beirdo: | think "which mount" |
| [00:44:10] | wagnerrp: | oh... |
| [00:44:12] | wagnerrp: | mount executable |
| [00:44:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, completely misunderstood |
| [00:45:01] | wagnerrp: | why not read /proc/mounts? |
| [00:45:09] | wagnerrp: | or do whatever is needed to read it out of the kernel pages? |
| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | is calling `mount` just a quick, cross platform mechanism? |
| [00:45:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think it's to be more cross-platform |
| [00:47:31] | Beirdo: | trying to trace this code path. What a pain |
| [00:48:28] | Beirdo: | Jeez, why is half this in libmyth, and the other half in libmythbase?! |
| [00:48:42] | wagnerrp: | because our libraries are a complete mess |
| [00:49:08] | Beirdo: | Yeah, that's gotta be it |
| [00:49:24] | wagnerrp: | but restructuring a million lines of code not something anyone wants to do |
| [00:49:36] | Beirdo: | so.. it hits the CD drive twice a bloody second to see if there's media there?! |
| [00:50:09] | Beirdo: | and tries to mount every half-second too for the USB stick |
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| [00:55:28] | Beirdo: | c_monitor = new MediaMonitorUnix(NULL, 500, true); |
| [00:55:32] | Beirdo: | ARGH |
| [00:56:02] | Beirdo: | well that explains the timing |
| [00:56:24] | Beirdo: | I'm changing it to 5s for testing |
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| [01:07:52] | Beirdo: | stuartm: I can't get it to crash, but it sure is spewing hard with what's in master |
| [01:08:21] | thinksteve: | Hi there, I'm having issues with binding mythbackend to localhost. Values entered during mythtv-setup were silently ignored, netstat lists 6543 and 6544 as unrestricted. Is this behaviour intended, am I supposed to block these ports myself? |
| [01:08:56] | wagnerrp: | block ports? |
| [01:09:03] | Beirdo: | Why would you want it on localhost? |
| [01:09:36] | wagnerrp: | have mythtv listen on a real IP address, no disadvantages, lots of advantages |
| [01:09:59] | wagnerrp: | and besides, when it asks for an IP address, it means an IP address |
| [01:10:05] | wagnerrp: | 'localhost' is not an IP address |
| [01:11:48] | thinksteve: | Why would I want network access when database, frontend and backend are on the same machine? |
| [01:12:06] | wagnerrp: | on the off chance you may ever want to connect another machine, or a upnp frontend |
| [01:12:18] | wagnerrp: | it means it is already configured to allow such, and you dont have to go back and correct anything |
| [01:12:35] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to prevent network access? |
| [01:13:08] | wagnerrp: | besides which, that value doesnt actually limit where mythbackend will listen |
| [01:13:12] | wagnerrp: | it merely tells the frontend where to connect |
| [01:13:17] | thinksteve: | Security reasons. Ports that are not opened can not be exploited. |
| [01:13:26] | wagnerrp: | even if you have it use 127.0.0.1, it will still listen on everything |
| [01:13:30] | Beirdo: | then use a firewall |
| [01:13:34] | ** [R] points thinksteve's ports ** | |
| [01:13:39] | [R]: | exploits* |
| [01:14:15] | thinksteve: | [R]: Damn, netfilter wasn't quick enough |
| [01:14:59] | Beirdo: | OK, now to pull the USB stick and reinsert it |
| [01:15:17] | wagnerrp: | thats what she said |
| [01:15:38] | ** wagnerrp eyes [R] ** | |
| [01:15:39] | Beirdo: | yeeehaw |
| [01:15:42] | Beirdo: | it worked |
| [01:15:46] | [R]: | haha |
| [01:16:02] | Beirdo: | it saw the device removed... saw the device added |
| [01:16:12] | Beirdo: | tried to mount it, failed, and is not trying again |
| [01:16:18] | Beirdo: | perfect! |
| [01:16:20] | wagnerrp: | thinksteve: anyway, the IP address listed in mythtv-setup has no relevance on security |
| [01:16:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is equally (and completely) insecure regardless of what you put there |
| [01:17:01] | Beirdo: | well, if you put something that doesn't WORK, it will be more secure |
| [01:17:06] | Beirdo: | but not functional |
| [01:17:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:17:13] | wagnerrp: | it is expected to operate behind a firewall, or more typically a NAT |
| [01:19:45] | thinksteve: | Thank you, I wondered why this wasn't documented at all. |
| [01:21:11] | Beirdo: | I guess I should look at putting the same tweak into the CDROM monitor |
| [01:21:13] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [01:22:15] | wagnerrp: | basically, anyone on your network can access your backend, and do anything they want to it at any time |
| [01:22:44] | Beirdo: | oh man, out of context, that just sounds SO raunchy |
| [01:23:07] | wagnerrp: | well if they know their way around mythproto, they can even get it to record porn |
| [01:23:22] | Beirdo: | if they can find any to record |
| [01:23:27] | wagnerrp: | true... |
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| [01:23:47] | wagnerrp: | if the IP is set to a network accessible one (not 127.0.0.1), they may be able to detect it directly using UPNP |
| [01:24:06] | thinksteve: | Especially on a backend that's not hooked up to the cable at the moment. |
| [01:24:07] | wagnerrp: | if UPNP detection is disabled, they can still scan port 6543 to find an instance |
| [01:24:35] | wagnerrp: | there is no security on the protocol (6543) or web servers (6544) |
| [01:25:05] | wagnerrp: | if you configured your database with a PIN, they can pull the value of that pin over the proto to get access to the database credentials over the web server |
| [01:25:21] | wagnerrp: | or if you set the pin to 0000, it will accept any value |
| [01:25:35] | wagnerrp: | even if you have the database set to not accept outside connections |
| [01:26:01] | wagnerrp: | they can still use DOWNLOAD_FILE to download some proxy server |
| [01:26:23] | wagnerrp: | and then SET_SETTING to change some external task to call that executable |
| [01:26:29] | thinksteve: | Unfortunally they now have to hack openssh first, as I block these ports now. |
| [01:27:12] | wagnerrp: | do something to trigger that, the miscellaneous information script from the backend status page would likely be a good target |
| [01:27:28] | wagnerrp: | at which they could connect through that and do whatever they wanted |
| [01:27:52] | wagnerrp: | in other words, if you have a mythtv box on the network, it can be very easily accessed from anyone on the same network |
| [01:27:58] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a firewall (or NAT) in place |
| [01:35:22] | thinksteve: | Nevertheless, I hope you all had a pleasant start into the new year! |
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| [01:35:56] | wagnerrp: | bit of a late one, slept till noon |
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| [01:46:28] | ubuntuaddicted: | howdy guys |
| [01:46:44] | ubuntuaddicted: | hows everyones 2012 going? has everyone gone to 2012 yet? LOL |
| [01:47:01] | skd5aner: | everyone living at least |
| [01:49:16] | ** wagnerrp is trapped in a temporal bubble back in 1972 ** | |
| [01:49:57] | skd5aner: | a la "LOST" or "Fringe" ? |
| [01:51:05] | wagnerrp: | they did such a thing in Lost? |
| [01:51:11] | wagnerrp: | never watched it |
| [01:51:25] | skd5aner: | yea, it was like the whole last 2–3 seasons |
| [01:51:36] | skd5aner: | didn't really explain what the heck was going on until the last season though |
| [01:51:43] | wagnerrp: | is that how formerly dead people came back to life? |
| [01:51:45] | skd5aner: | even then, they didn't really explain it |
| [01:52:43] | skd5aner: | sorta, kinda... but the dead people pretty much stayed dead for the most part |
| [01:53:22] | skd5aner: | but... that's a whole 'nother thing anyway – since... well, can't really say without spoiling it |
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| [02:12:34] | skd5aner: | yuck – my local fox affiliate has started compressing their signal to a craptastic level |
| [02:12:46] | skd5aner: | (qam) |
| [02:12:52] | skd5aner: | so, it could be TWC doing it |
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| [02:55:34] | birk_: | hiya. |
| [02:56:39] | birk_: | anyone out there using the "Transcode wrapper stub"? |
| [02:57:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont use it, but i wrote it, if that counts |
| [02:57:19] | birk_: | ha! excellent... |
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| [02:57:45] | birk_: | so, forgive me if i'm a bit slow... i'm confused on how to install/implement it |
| [02:58:10] | birk_: | but then again, maybe i don't need to go down that road... |
| [02:58:35] | wagnerrp: | in the first block where it says to change things |
| [02:58:49] | wagnerrp: | change 'cp' to whatever executable you intend to use |
| [02:59:25] | wagnerrp: | in the second block where it says to change things, give it the arguments you need to pass that executable |
| [02:59:59] | wagnerrp: | the 'infile' and 'outfile' variables are populated with the absolute path to the source and destination |
| [03:00:28] | wagnerrp: | if you are transcoding to some format other than matroska, you likely want to change the extension applied to 'outfile', about halfway between those two blocks |
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| [03:03:40] | birk_: | oh, sorry, i was trying to figure out how to kick it off with handbrake... i see what you're saying now! |
| [03:04:06] | wagnerrp: | so you would put in whatever handbrakecli call you want in there |
| [03:04:26] | birk_: | yes, i will try it... |
| [03:04:27] | wagnerrp: | and it would automatically handle all the database manipulation you need to replace the existing recording with the new one |
| [03:05:14] | wagnerrp: | meaning... changing the filename, updating the file size, flushing the seek table, and any markup data, removing bookmarks, marking it as transcoded... |
| [03:05:59] | birk_: | that is what i am hoping for... my current mythexport job does the conversion but stops right there |
| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mythexport is designed to export content to mobile devices, not transcode internally |
| [03:06:47] | wagnerrp: | on that note, why are you transcoding internally? |
| [03:07:05] | wagnerrp: | use on a limited format UPNP frontend is about the only good reason i can think of |
| [03:07:17] | birk_: | i'm using an Apple TV 2 as my frontend |
| [03:07:51] | wagnerrp: | so specifically that... :) |
| [03:07:58] | birk_: | heh |
| [03:08:17] | bixter: | anyone know of any docs for mythtv.pm ? |
| [03:08:20] | birk_: | right now i've added XBMC to see the myth box |
| [03:08:43] | wagnerrp: | bixter: there is next to no documentation (besides the code itself) for the perl bindings |
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| [03:09:12] | birk_: | and it's doing simple SMB mounting for "movies" – ripped dvd transcoded to m4v (or mkv) |
| [03:09:25] | wagnerrp: | not NFS? |
| [03:09:41] | birk_: | struggled with NFS, sadly |
| [03:09:43] | wagnerrp: | NFS >>> SMB for any instance you dont need much security |
| [03:09:47] | bixter: | i am looking for a way to set programs to delete and re-record without doing it through the web or frontend |
| [03:09:50] | wagnerrp: | such as internal use on a private network |
| [03:10:02] | birk_: | though i can use NFS quite happily from my Macs |
| [03:10:15] | wagnerrp: | well if not the web, or frontend, then the terminal? |
| [03:10:27] | birk_: | the NFS through XBMC was, well, problematic |
| [03:10:39] | birk_: | and i can "see" the transcoded myth recordings (as files) but lose any DB happiness |
| [03:10:48] | bixter: | yeah, programmaticly |
| [03:10:59] | bixter: | ha with a shell script or something |
| [03:11:21] | bixter: | or db calls, not sure if I want to dig though that though |
| [03:11:23] | birk_: | but i bit the bullet and moved the myth box to the basement... so dialing in the recording->transcode would complete the puzzle |
| [03:11:24] | wagnerrp: | using chanid and starttime? or some kind of database search filter? |
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| [03:12:09] | birk_: | ray, you've got two conversations going here... i'm dropping out... toddler not sleeping! |
| [03:12:33] | birk_: | thanks for the clarification... i've had mythtv for 3.5–4 years and this is my first time on the channel! |
| [03:12:48] | bixter: | wagnerrp: asking me? |
| [03:12:55] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [03:13:32] | bixter: | i would search the db or return for a call, look for 0 length files and then set them to delete and rerecode |
| [03:13:33] | bixter: | record |
| [03:15:13] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py searches a number of 'bad' files, including zero byte ones |
| [03:15:42] | wagnerrp: | intended for interactive use though |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | if you want something you could run batch, i could throw something together in a handful of lines that would do so |
| [03:17:06] | bixter: | cool, well the only question i have will it re-record? |
| [03:17:27] | bixter: | man im avoiding python like the plague. i have peaked on learning new languages |
| [03:17:34] | wagnerrp: | when it deletes, it marks the content as available for re-recording |
| [03:17:45] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, it tells the backend to delete the file and mark it for re-recording |
| [03:17:45] | bixter: | perfect! |
| [03:18:06] | wagnerrp: | basically, it just flips a flag in the oldrecorded table that tells the scheduler to ignore it when searching for duplicates |
| [03:19:32] | bixter: | does it take a few mins for the backend to catch up? |
| [03:19:53] | bixter: | o it does. |
| [03:19:56] | wagnerrp: | catch up? |
| [03:20:29] | bixter: | when i tell it to delete and then refresh the files are still listed, except for maybe one. 30 seconds latter and most are gone |
| [03:20:37] | bixter: | so it doesnt do it synch |
| [03:20:52] | bixter: | and an awesome script |
| [03:20:55] | wagnerrp: | the script tells the backend to delete the content, and the backend deletes the content on its own time schedule |
| [03:21:10] | wagnerrp: | with normal settings, it should happen nearly immediately |
| [03:21:31] | wagnerrp: | if you have 'slow deletes' enabled, because you are using the EXT3 filesystem which is awful for handling large files |
| [03:21:39] | wagnerrp: | the backend will slowly truncate it over several minutes |
| [03:22:22] | bixter: | i have ext4 and prob have it on since I dont care how fast it normally deletes |
| [03:22:42] | bixter: | all gone now. So nice, thanks! |
| [03:30:13] | wagnerrp: | bixter: or a much simpler script that just deletes 0-byte recordings older than an hour, and requires no interactive input |
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| [03:30:23] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/qc8Xkh3u |
| [03:32:17] | bixter: | dies on line 10 "else" |
| [03:44:56] | wagnerrp: | needs a ':' after the else |
| [03:45:33] | wagnerrp: | bixter: ^^^^ |
| [03:47:01] | bixter: | i get MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: MySQL error: not all arguments converted during string formatting |
| [03:47:02] | bixter: | now |
| [03:47:12] | bixter: | File "deleteorphans.py", line 6, in <module> olderthan=(datetime.now() – timedelta(hours=1))): File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/MythTV/utility.py", line 145, in __call__ cursor.execute(query, fields) File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/MythTV/connections.py", line 62, in execute raise MythDBError(MythDBError.DB_RAW, e.args) MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: MySQL error: not all arguments converted during string fo |
| [03:47:17] | bixter: | too spammy? |
| [03:47:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall if that mysql syntax is 0.25 only or not |
| [03:48:01] | wagnerrp: | try using '%s' instead of '?' in the searchRecordings() method |
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| [03:49:01] | bixter: | ok, that worked. thanks! |
| [03:53:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you know if the commflagger will actually do anything when presented with MPEG4 containers? |
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| [03:55:37] | bixter: | thanks wagnerrp: im off to bed! |
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| [03:55:40] | Beirdo: | it should work the same as any other container that we can play |
| [03:55:48] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [03:56:16] | Beirdo: | it uses the player/decoder code the same as playback, pretty much |
| [03:57:01] | ** Beirdo looks around the room and realizes there's LOTS of crap to move before there's room for finishing this quilt. ** | |
| [03:57:23] | Beirdo: | need to be able to spread a king-size sheet on the floor |
| [03:57:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:57:32] | wagnerrp: | theres some guy on the wiki posting commflagging performance for h264/mp4 content |
| [03:57:58] | Beirdo: | slow and slightly faster? |
| [03:58:26] | wagnerrp: | with 8mbps 1920x1080, and *choke* 2mbps 1280x720 |
| [03:58:36] | wagnerrp: | no, h264 video, mpeg4 container |
| [03:58:40] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [03:58:55] | wagnerrp: | meaning stuff he made on his own, or potentially 'acquired' |
| [03:59:03] | Beirdo: | well, I doubt it's been strenuously tested |
| [03:59:15] | wagnerrp: | although mp4 is somewhat odd for 'acquiring', usually thats mkv |
| [03:59:22] | Beirdo: | but if you can play it back, it should be possible to commflag it |
| [03:59:53] | wagnerrp: | transcoded before commflagging, and didnt bother to clip? |
| [04:00:18] | Beirdo: | externally transcoded, perhaps |
| [04:00:20] | iamlindoro: | Much more irksome is the guy (one of many such people, really) posting links to their shiny page about their MythTV build that they haven't actually really written yet |
| [04:00:42] | iamlindoro: | Sort of like idea->marketing->invent |
| [04:00:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was considering undoing that, telling him to hold off until he actually has some content |
| [04:01:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, dont know what i was thinking |
| [04:01:15] | wagnerrp: | for some reason i was replacing 'commflagging' with 'building seek table' |
| [04:01:34] | Beirdo: | heh, that should theoretically work too |
| [04:01:50] | Beirdo: | although we have had a rash of stupid buglets in that code |
| [04:02:54] | Beirdo: | such is life, of course |
| [04:03:33] | Beirdo: | ah man... I slashed my left thumb with a straight pin yesterday |
| [04:03:49] | Beirdo: | sigh. surprisingly sharp, I tell ya |
| [04:18:42] | ** iamlindoro just bought himself a hideously expensive camera ** | |
| [04:19:34] | iamlindoro: | But hey, no point going to New Zealand and bring some crap point and shoot |
| [04:19:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning... 'nice slr', or 'cinema camera'? |
| [04:19:58] | iamlindoro: | Nice SLR |
| [04:20:10] | iamlindoro: | Which will also conveniently do 1080p movies |
| [04:20:22] | iamlindoro: | and with all the fancy lens glass, look pretty slick doing that too |
| [04:20:32] | wagnerrp: | so, hideously expensive compared to the normal PO^HAS |
| [04:20:53] | wagnerrp: | but not like a 20K monstrosity you have to carry on your sholder |
| [04:20:58] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:21:37] | wagnerrp: | well who knows, you are going to new zealand... you could have the urge to make movies about barefoot diminutive persons |
| [04:22:04] | iamlindoro: | Some guy already has the market cornered on that |
| [04:22:20] | iamlindoro: | And he's down there doing it as we speak |
| [04:22:26] | wagnerrp: | full ironman or something lesser? |
| [04:22:32] | iamlindoro: | With this other guy who once hitchhiked the galaxy |
| [04:22:35] | iamlindoro: | full IM |
| [04:22:40] | iamlindoro: | IM NZ, in fact |
| [04:24:55] | wagnerrp: | i tried getting my parents to buy an entry level SLR last time they went on vacation, but they ended up going with a nearly as expensive, nearly as large PAS |
| [04:25:56] | wagnerrp: | i tried to explain the whole concept of sensor size, but mom wouldnt have any of it |
| [04:26:11] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the optics quality |
| [04:27:43] | wagnerrp: | takes nice enough pictures, came with all the bells and whistles |
| [04:28:05] | wagnerrp: | but even the best PAS wont beat an old 3–4MP SLR with a decent lens and a steady hand |
| [04:29:31] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [04:29:59] | iamlindoro: | I had a Canon 40D a few years ago, but sold it when money was a little tight-- Decided to go all in on a 5D Mark II this time |
| [04:31:34] | wagnerrp: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [04:31:34] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 27 days 10 hours 6 minutes 46 seconds ago |
| [04:32:16] | wagnerrp: | does he just sit there on the server, not joined to any particular channel? |
| [04:33:28] | iamlindoro: | He used to, dunno about now |
| [04:34:01] | wagnerrp: | whois says hes online |
| [04:34:21] | wagnerrp: | im planning on reworking the artwork stuff in the bindings a bit |
| [04:34:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand how much he uses it, want to give him a heads up |
| [04:35:36] | iamlindoro: | He was working on a Unity status indicator that used the bindings exclusively for .24, and I know it did artwork |
| [04:35:45] | iamlindoro: | his .25 version used the Services API exclusively |
| [04:35:55] | iamlindoro: | (and is the reason I added some of the stuff, it was by request) |
| [04:36:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i actually think i whipped up the RecordedArtwork class for him |
| [04:36:29] | iamlindoro: | Anything accessing the recorded artwork table would be .25 by definition, so he'd be using the services API |
| [04:36:38] | iamlindoro: | at least for that one application |
| [04:36:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, maybe it was something else i added on request |
| [04:36:56] | wagnerrp: | ill have to check the logs |
| [04:37:27] | iamlindoro: | He may have started with bindings, but I know that in the end, once I got what he needed in, it was all Services |
| [04:45:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what it was... he wanted to emulate the behavior of the services api for 0.24 |
| [04:48:09] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i still want to do a wsdl parser for 0.25 |
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| [04:48:23] | wagnerrp: | something to auto-generate all the relevant classes and methods |
| [04:50:04] | wagnerrp: | need to get on dblain to fix the QVariantList issue, or wade through tons of introspection code i have no idea where to start comprehending to fix it myself |
| [04:51:01] | ** wagnerrp admits his database auto-generation code is likely just as opaque to anyone who didnt write it themselves ** | |
| [04:57:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did you or capt'm do the path browser for the storage group stuff in the web setup? |
| [04:59:18] | iamlindoro: | CM wrote all the SG parts, but the file tree browser is just a jquery plugin we imported |
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| [05:00:43] | wagnerrp: | i was messing with it a while back, and noticed that it only ever showed the master backend content, not that on the defined hostname |
| [05:00:59] | wagnerrp: | didnt know if that was a known limitation or on someone's TODO |
| [05:01:26] | wagnerrp: | threw me for a bit of a curve until i figured out what it was doing |
| [05:01:33] | iamlindoro: | probably just a minor bug |
| [05:01:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, at current, the only time paths should be defined outside of the master backend is for videos |
| [05:02:29] | wagnerrp: | ideally, that gets fixed some time in the future by making the scanner aware of what backends are connected and available for scanning |
| [05:03:54] | wagnerrp: | actually, that could probably be done with about 50 lines and a proto bump |
| [05:04:16] | wagnerrp: | add a command to scan through the playbacksock list and return the names of any connected slave backends |
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| [05:29:45] | birk_: | hi wagnerrp questions again about the transcode_stub |
| [05:29:56] | birk_: | python is not my thing |
| [05:30:22] | birk_: | is there an easy way to temporarily comment out the original recording removal? |
| [05:31:12] | wagnerrp: | no, that is the entire purpose of the script |
| [05:31:22] | wagnerrp: | to replace the file currently mapped to the recording with a new one |
| [05:32:02] | wagnerrp: | and then to do all the other stuff involved in making myth happy with the new file |
| [05:33:18] | wagnerrp: | you can comment out the 'os.remove(infile)', but i doubt thats what youre actually looking for |
| [05:34:07] | birk_: | well, i'm running a different test now... done in a couple minutes... seemed like the transcode (handbrake) failed but then the original was gone |
| [05:35:03] | wagnerrp: | if the transcode fails (command returns anything but 0), the script will terminate there before it alters any metadata |
| [05:46:42] | birk_: | man, sorry if this is all so rudimentary... is the only logging in the mythbackend.log? and how can i flip on the 'verbose' option? thanks for helping a guy out! |
| [05:48:00] | wagnerrp: | backend logging or logging for that script? |
| [05:48:42] | birk_: | the python script |
| [05:49:36] | wagnerrp: | that script logs to stdout, there is no mechanism to allow anything other than standard verbosity |
| [05:49:59] | wagnerrp: | you can manually specify increased verbosity at the top of the script using MythLog._setlevel('somelevel') |
| [05:50:16] | wagnerrp: | see 'mythbackend -v help' for an explanation of the levels |
| [05:51:40] | wagnerrp: | if run through the jobqueue, i believe the stdout will be directed towards where ever mythtv is set to log to |
| [05:51:48] | wagnerrp: | which would likely be mythbackend.log |
| [05:52:46] | birk_: | yes, i see entries there |
| [05:53:02] | birk_: | i'll try the setlevel trick... |
| [05:53:19] | wagnerrp: | youll have to add ', MythLog' to the end of that third line |
| [05:53:43] | wagnerrp: | oh, scratch that |
| [05:53:54] | wagnerrp: | you can set it on the command line with -v |
| [05:54:36] | wagnerrp: | seems you still need to fix that third line though |
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| [06:03:07] | birk_: | thanks for your help... i'm so close... |
| [06:03:22] | birk_: | but too tired... i'll try again tomorrow! |
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| [06:37:38] | jstenback: | anyone here have any ideas on how to create a power search that would match any programs whose category type is "movie" and has any one from a set of actors in it? |
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| [06:48:29] | wagnerrp: | jstenback: i dont appear to have any category 'movie' programs in the next two weeks |
| [06:49:39] | wagnerrp: | ... looking to see what mythweb uses for its canned searches |
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| [06:50:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, category_type |
| [06:51:52] | wagnerrp: | jstenback: ok... '(SELECT COUNT( DISTINCT people.name ) FROM credits JOIN people ON people.person=credits.person WHERE credits.chanid=program.chanid AND credits.starttime=program.starttime AND (people.name="Tom Hanks"))=1 AND program.category_type="movie"' |
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| [06:52:57] | wagnerrp: | oh, set of actors... |
| [06:53:53] | wagnerrp: | well that you would want something like 'AND (people.name="some actor" OR people.name="some other actor" OR people.name="some actress"))=1' |
| [06:57:31] | wagnerrp: | jstenback: for instance, if you were Pigman, you might want to do... '(SELECT COUNT( DISTINCT people.name ) FROM credits JOIN people ON people.person=credits.person WHERE credits.chanid=program.chanid AND credits.starttime=program.starttime AND (people.name="Michael Caine" OR people.name="Gene Hackman"))=1 AND program.category_type="movie"' |
| [06:58:08] | wagnerrp: | for your closing argument, you might want to switch it up a bit to... '(SELECT COUNT( DISTINCT people.name ) FROM credits JOIN people ON people.person=credits.person WHERE credits.chanid=program.chanid AND credits.starttime=program.starttime AND (people.name="Michael Caine" OR people.name="Gene Hackman"))=2 AND program.category_type="movie"' |
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| [09:30:59] | Bhaal: | So how short is that piece of string these days? |
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| [11:46:18] | Seeker`: | Anyone tried a WinTV-NOVA-HD-USB2 with mythtv? |
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| [18:27:08] | wagnerrp: | apparently several major websites (google, yahoo, twitter, etc...) are threatening to "go nuclear" over SOPA |
| [18:27:34] | wagnerrp: | basically, disable their respective websites, replaced with a static anti-censorship page telling people to contact their senator |
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| [18:28:12] | [R]: | lol |
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| [18:37:55] | memyself: | hooray for piracy |
| [18:38:07] | wagnerrp: | this has nothing to do with piracy |
| [18:38:27] | kormoc: | Given all the search engines will have to shut down, it seems likely a good idea to try to force it not to pass |
| [18:38:29] | wagnerrp: | this has to do with due process |
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| [18:39:02] | kormoc: | Well, search engines, email providers, video providers, image providers, etc |
| [18:40:41] | memyself: | i cant even imagine my life without piracy |
| [18:40:57] | kormoc: | You really shouldn't talk about that in here... |
| [18:41:09] | wagnerrp: | you may want to read the topic |
| [18:41:14] | wagnerrp: | specifically the last line of it |
| [18:41:19] | memyself: | omg! sopa is already here |
| [18:41:30] | kormoc: | Ugh |
| [18:41:52] | skd5aner: | !parrot |
| [18:41:52] | ** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for skd5aner to smack. ** | |
| [18:41:53] | wagnerrp: | you are talking to two people with ops privileges, i would advise not pushing it further |
| [18:42:12] | memyself: | ok |
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| [18:42:31] | kormoc: | That's one way to handle it I guess |
| [18:42:42] | skd5aner: | people are... dumb |
| [18:43:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/31/sopa-whos-in-and-whos-out/ |
| [18:43:59] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: personally, i like the whole godaddy thing from last week |
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| [18:44:12] | skd5aner: | was pretty much out of pocket last week – what happened? |
| [18:44:17] | skd5aner: | they were for it and now against it? |
| [18:44:37] | wagnerrp: | they came out with a press release for it |
| [18:45:11] | wagnerrp: | the internet rebelled and boycotted them, people transferred domains, godaddy diddled about and blocked domain transfers, the boycott grew |
| [18:45:23] | wagnerrp: | godaddy came out with a press release against it |
| [18:45:32] | skd5aner: | lol – blocked domain transfers? |
| [18:45:48] | wagnerrp: | and... all the bad press surrounding the whole issue means they actually enjoyed increased business for that day |
| [18:45:49] | skd5aner: | seems every major registrar is basically evil |
| [18:46:00] | wagnerrp: | they dont block the transfers per se |
| [18:46:08] | wagnerrp: | they just make it difficult and painful |
| [18:46:13] | wagnerrp: | to dissuade you from doing so |
| [18:46:36] | wagnerrp: | so basically every media conglomerate is for SOPA, and the rest of the world is against it? |
| [18:46:39] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right |
| [18:47:00] | skd5aner: | sure – what do they ahve to lose? they don't host anything but their own content, so why would they ever be on the wrong side of that law? |
| [18:47:37] | wagnerrp: | because their employees have been found on multiple occasions to be pirating all sorts of stuff for internal and public use |
| [18:47:39] | skd5aner: | If it goes through – look for people scrounging around their sites looking for copyright violations |
| [18:48:21] | wagnerrp: | the ENTIRE MOVIE INDUSTRY IN HOLLYWOOD is based off theft of intellectual property |
| [18:49:07] | wagnerrp: | all the startup movie studios moved to hollywood, because they were hiding from patent owners back on the easy coast |
| [18:49:10] | wagnerrp: | east |
| [18:49:40] | wagnerrp: | but do as i say and not as i do, right? |
| [18:49:59] | wagnerrp: | lousy statute of limitations |
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| [19:16:30] | fbnts: | Hi, I'm having issues with MythTV when trying to play back ISO images from a backend. When selecting the item to play, there is a long delay in actually starting to play the DVD. Anything from 30 secs to 2 mins |
| [19:16:54] | fbnts: | The only thing I can see the log to worry about is: libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
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| [19:18:33] | wagnerrp: | storage groups support ISOs but as youve seen, there is a long delay for startup over storage groups, and encrypted ISOs are not supported |
| [19:18:39] | wagnerrp: | the long delay has been resolved in 0.25 |
| [19:18:52] | wagnerrp: | and there is a patch to resolve the encrypted issues that has not yet been committed |
| [19:19:45] | fbnts: | ah ok, well the dvd still plays (but I have ripped my DVDs with AnyDVD which I presume removes the encryption) |
| [19:20:04] | fbnts: | Is 0.25 in a usable state? |
| [19:20:36] | wagnerrp: | by default, ripping using anydvd will remove the encryption on the VOBs and make a new ISO |
| [19:20:53] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 is used by many, but not recommended |
| [19:21:17] | wagnerrp: | if you use it, you are expected to keep up to date with commits and tickets |
| [19:21:22] | fbnts: | Is 0.25 backend backwards compatable with 0.24 front ends? |
| [19:21:29] | wagnerrp: | and be able to resolve most problems on your own |
| [19:21:39] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv is not and never has been forwards or backwards compatible |
| [19:22:02] | fbnts: | ah ok, so will be a case of upgrade all hosts at the same time. |
| [19:22:16] | wagnerrp: | yes, and downgrades are not supported |
| [19:22:36] | fbnts: | The best thing I could do is revert back to NFS mounts for the videos |
| [19:23:07] | wagnerrp: | well, in 0.25, storage group video content will automatically read off the filesystem if mounted |
| [19:23:13] | wagnerrp: | so either way, it would be resolved |
| [19:25:29] | fbnts: | thats good, I just don't know if I want to take the plunge and move to 0.25 yet. I'm currently using 0.24 on Mythbuntu with thier AutoBuild repository enabled |
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| [19:43:28] | ubuntuaddicted1: | do you guys know how to reload the ohci1394 for firewire capture? If I reboot it works again so I know it works |
| [19:43:50] | ubuntuaddicted1: | i see this in dmesg: ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID received, but NodeID invalid (probably new bus reset occurred): 0800FFC0 |
| [19:44:59] | odhret: | I have a DVB-T (capable of multirec on same MUX) and a DVB-C USB cards on a backend. The problem is that Mythtv 0.24 postpones some of my (overlapping) schedulings even though there are no later showings, thus nothing will be recorded. Using EIT, two video sources, channels/EPG configured to show only one station per overlapping DVB-C and DVB-T channels. |
| [19:46:39] | dekarl: | odhret: how do you know that the recordings are postponed? |
| [19:47:14] | dekarl: | I can imagine that you'll not see it in the EPG, but should see it in the upcoming recordings (due to folding all copies of the channel into one for display) |
| [19:47:38] | wagnerrp: | odhret: how many virtual tuners do you have defined? mythtv defaults to only two |
| [19:47:53] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you were simply trying to record three shows simultaneously? |
| [19:47:57] | dekarl: | and how did you configure it to show only one? |
| [19:48:17] | wagnerrp: | note that if you have back-to-back recordings, with padding, those will count as overlaps and use two tuners |
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| [19:49:04] | dekarl: | unless its soft-padding which is left unpadded for the overlap :( |
| [19:49:18] | wagnerrp: | well, soft padding really isnt padding at all |
| [19:49:40] | wagnerrp: | its more intended as a pre-start, for tuners that take a significant amount of time to get ready before recording |
| [19:49:55] | wagnerrp: | such as an STB that you typically keep turned off, and need to turn on and sync |
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| [19:50:33] | wagnerrp: | ubuntuaddicted1: you actually have channels marked 'copy freely' that you can record over firewire from time warner? |
| [19:50:53] | dekarl: | true |
| [19:51:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery and i were actually discussing removing it some time back, and replacing it with a per-input startup padding |
| [19:52:13] | ubuntuaddicted1: | analog thru a dazzle hollywood dv bridge |
| [19:52:16] | ubuntuaddicted1: | ;-) |
| [19:52:28] | ubuntuaddicted1: | experimenting |
| [19:52:44] | iamlindoro: | MythTV's firewire recorder doesn't do DV |
| [19:52:55] | iamlindoro: | So that's not going to work |
| [19:52:58] | kth: | wagnerrp: hi – happy new year ^ – i've got a strange problem – after installing plain version of mythbuntu 11.10 x64 from usb stick to my box i'm not able to setup mythfrontend correctly just because i'm not able to put some text into the boxes – keyboard is just not working inside mythfrontend but outside it works – any idea |
| [19:53:03] | ubuntuaddicted1: | im not using mythtv's firewire recorder |
| [19:53:14] | iamlindoro: | Then what relevance does it have to this channel? |
| [19:53:25] | ubuntuaddicted1: | ok, sorry. have a good day |
| [19:53:36] | iamlindoro: | good luck |
| [19:53:39] | wagnerrp: | kth: no idea about that |
| [19:53:44] | wagnerrp: | focus problems perhaps? |
| [19:53:46] | odhret: | dekarl: FE says "Later showing / this will not be recorded", lots of Yellow in upcoming recordings... To show YLE TV1 (from cable) and TV1 (antenna) as one, simply in BE config, topic 5. Channel tuning. |
| [19:53:57] | ubuntuaddicted1: | thanks, i'll just have google and read about reloading a module in linux, should be simple |
| [19:54:00] | ubuntuaddicted1: | later |
| [19:55:15] | kth: | wagnerrp: unsure ... i tried killing mythfrontend but it restarts everytime and then same problem – there seems to be a message of my wallet on top but i can't switch to because mythfrontend is fullscreen and i can't close for more than maybe one second – how do i disable automatic restarting of mythfrontend? |
| [19:55:30] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend does not automatically restart |
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| [19:56:18] | kth: | wagnerrp: okay – in mythbuntu it seems to do so ... okay then i have to find out what script is used to do that ^ |
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| [19:58:30] | dekarl: | odhret: hmm, I have multiple copies of some channels, too. They are all configured to be visible, have the same call sign but different channel number. Showing collisions works and when I record something on a channel I get one planned recording and "will be recorded earlier" on the copy |
| [19:59:56] | odhret: | wagnerrp: I have two for multirec (AF9015) and one for anysee dvb-c (also switchable by modprobe to dvb-t) – but also there seems to in the list (but not seen in BE setup) a v4l tuner probably from trying to get alive a video capture card ID 6000:0001). I am able to manually record 1+2 shows (from 2 multiplex). I have to check padding! |
| [20:00:22] | tgm4883: | kth, IIRC the script would be found via "which mythfrontend" |
| [20:01:24] | kth: | tgm4883: thanks i'll try it out |
| [20:01:27] | wagnerrp: | wait, you have to unload one module and load in a different one to switch between DVB-T and DVB-C? |
| [20:01:34] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty hideous |
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| [20:03:01] | kth: | tgm4883: thank you good tip ;) |
| [20:03:15] | tgm4883: | yw |
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| [20:03:42] | dekarl: | odhret: sounds like a http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Anysee_E30 ? |
| [20:05:29] | wagnerrp: | kth: mythbuntu wraps most of myth's applications with their own script to manage things like auto-restart, and automatic start/stop of the backend |
| [20:06:22] | kth: | wagnerrp: ah okay – in this case thats problematic as they it seems that they are not wrapping the dialogue for the wallet ;) |
| [20:06:49] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what the wallet is, besides something currently sitting on my desk |
| [20:07:15] | kth: | gnome/xfce/kde password manager keyring ;) |
| [20:07:34] | kth: | maybe wallet is the wrong acronym for that ;) |
| [20:07:57] | tgm4883: | why do we need to wrap the keyring manager? |
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| [20:09:56] | kth: | tgm4883: because when the keyring manager asks for the password and mythfrontend is started on autologin then it seems that no keyboard input is possible i'm not sure why but if i kill mythfrontend and after that mythfrontend.real i can use my keyboard and after filling in my keyring password i'm also able to restart mythfrontend.real and then i'm able to use my keyboard |
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| [20:11:33] | tgm4883: | kth, i'm not exactly sure how you want me to fix that by wrapping the keyring manager |
| [20:12:33] | dekarl: | odhret: and usb id 6000:0001 sounds like an Analog frame grabber stick http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/MSI_Vox_II so V4L sounds right for that |
| [20:12:40] | iamlindoro: | I am a little lost on why one would need to authenticate to use the frontend |
| [20:13:05] | wagnerrp: | because one needs root rights to start the backend |
| [20:13:17] | iamlindoro: | why? It should be started as a service on logon |
| [20:13:19] | kth: | iamlindoro: thats true – the only reason is a wireless key – keyring here is really a bad idea ;) |
| [20:13:30] | ** wagnerrp is just guessing ** | |
| [20:13:45] | kth: | but i think wireless key's should be set by root and static and then no problem is there ;) |
| [20:13:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: per-tuner but without user control, right? |
| [20:14:03] | sphery: | er, per input |
| [20:14:12] | sphery: | like just a smart value |
| [20:14:21] | sphery: | /reasonable value |
| [20:14:59] | wagnerrp: | per input i thought, since you might have to account for different STBs on different inputs of the same card |
| [20:15:04] | sphery: | right |
| [20:15:08] | sphery: | per input is good |
| [20:15:18] | sphery: | my desire is to just make it a non-setting |
| [20:15:41] | tgm4883: | kth, IIRC, there is a way to fix that. I don't have the links offhand but I know some users of Mythbuntu resolved having to put in the keyring password when auto-logging in |
| [20:16:44] | kth: | tgm4883: sounds nice ^ – actually i'm thinking of purging network-manager and using static configuration and resetting of keyring ;) |
| [20:17:10] | cryptide: | wagnerrp: in the python bindings, where can I find what methods and values are available for a recording? I've found title, subtitle, etc but I'd like to see a robust list of them somewhere if there is one. |
| [20:17:42] | wagnerrp: | help(Recorded) |
| [20:17:49] | dekarl: | odhret: marking a channel a invisible makes MythTV totally ignore that channel. |
| [20:17:50] | wagnerrp: | and potentially help(Program) |
| [20:17:53] | odhret: | wagnerrp: no, I mentioned it just because I was a bit doubdful if the v4l tuner showing in FE infocenter/tuner status come from a test using anysee E30 Combo plus as a DVB-T tuner. But shortly, anysee is only for dvb-c and AF9015 for dvb-T (multirec). Next I will try to check the effect of padding... |
| [20:18:12] | cryptide: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks |
| [20:18:31] | wagnerrp: | the database values are accessible as both dictionary keys and class attributes |
| [20:18:41] | wagnerrp: | and can be listed with Recorded().keys() |
| [20:19:32] | wagnerrp: | so you can do Recorded['title'] or Recorded.title |
| [20:20:20] | dekarl: | odhret: notice that your two video sources should be DVB-C / DVB-T (maybe with better names) and while the combo is booted as DVB-T device it must be connected to the DVB-T video source or it will try to tune and the recording will fail. So every time you switch between DVB-C and -T you have to switch the video source, too |
| [20:21:04] | sphery: | I'm assuming that there was already talk of V4L cannot do multirec? |
| [20:21:24] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is the first mention of V4L at all |
| [20:21:34] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression he was doing digital only |
| [20:22:34] | tgm4883: | Can the internal player display 3D content? |
| [20:22:50] | sphery: | tgm4883: only in unstable |
| [20:22:57] | wagnerrp: | and only very recently |
| [20:23:01] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok |
| [20:23:18] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 99587#499587 |
| [20:23:24] | tgm4883: | I don't have any 3d content yet, just got a new tv and bluray drive and only have star wars |
| [20:23:24] | odhret: | dekarl: I have only changed the channel names in order to simplyfy EPG. But if I understod correctly, you let the kind of duplicate stations to be in your EPG and maybe then schedule shows from what ever channel? Yeah, I don't use the anysee DVB-T tuner at all (it was just a test, because the dvb-c signal is so poor compared to the cheaper AF9015 dvb-c signal). |
| [20:23:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it was way back on Dec 29, 2011... that's like a year ago |
| [20:24:06] | tgm4883: | sphery, that's forever ago, so all the bugs should be ironed out by now ;) |
| [20:24:09] | sphery: | perhaps my new year resolution should have been no more stupid new year jokes |
| [20:24:17] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:24:17] | wagnerrp: | last year, anyway |
| [20:24:59] | odhret: | dekarl: sorry typo: cheaper AF9015 dvb-T signal. |
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| [20:25:58] | dekarl: | yes, I configure my recordings to "find one" and "record all" and let the scheduler figure out what is duplicate and what is new |
| [20:25:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, so reading that, looks like it's just for content. The frontend menu's are all still 2d (and I see no reason to make that 3d) right |
| [20:26:44] | sphery: | odhret: not sure if I'm answering the right question here, but for purposes of scheduling any "this channel" rule matches the channel callsign of the channel on which the showing you've selected is airing |
| [20:26:54] | sphery: | however, "any channel" rules will match on, er, any channel :) |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: IMHO, there is no reason to do anything but disable 3d anywhere you find it |
| [20:27:20] | sphery: | tgm4883: that would make sense... I don't know much about 3d, though |
| [20:27:30] | sphery: | only that it's one more D than exists in my TV screen |
| [20:27:35] | dekarl: | odhret: and name and callsign are seperate fields but likely contain the same value in DVB land (we don't do call signs) |
| [20:27:36] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, from what I've seen so far, I'd agree with that |
| [20:27:57] | sphery: | hehe, and, yeah, I'm also very much against all things 3D |
| [20:28:00] | tgm4883: | but I haven't seen anything that was actually filmed in 3d |
| [20:28:03] | sphery: | well, except in the real world |
| [20:28:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, my wife hates that joke |
| [20:28:47] | ** tgm4883 puts on 3d glasses.... "wow, you look amazing. These things are awesome" ** | |
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| [20:29:17] | sphery: | I see 3D as being like Compiz's "effects"... basically, it's interesting to see once or twice, then it's just annoying |
| [20:29:24] | sphery: | another "because we can" not "because we should" |
| [20:29:36] | tgm4883: | sphery, agree |
| [20:29:39] | sphery: | tgm4883: hehe... I meant anything in the real world, but that too |
| [20:30:16] | sphery: | tgm4883: also, note that if you have a tv with passive 3D glasses, you can get: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/e9b4/ |
| [20:30:48] | sphery: | (or http://2dglasses.com/ ... same but without ThinkGeek) |
| [20:31:08] | tgm4883: | awesome |
| [20:31:10] | tgm4883: | mine is active though |
| [20:31:20] | sphery: | ok, maybe the 2nd isn't the main site... |
| [20:31:37] | sphery: | ah, http://www.2d-glasses.com/ |
| [20:31:39] | dekarl: | sphery: do they have them for the left eye image too? makes sharing one big screen for multiplayer gaming easier :) |
| [20:31:40] | sphery: | forgot the - |
| [20:32:01] | sphery: | dekarl: hehe, yeah, I think PS3 does that for one or 2 games (or will do in the future?) |
| [20:32:28] | sphery: | though with active glasses |
| [20:36:20] | dekarl: | I knew Paul Bourke had that somewhere... http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/xbox/ |
| [20:37:04] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: the problem is you still get ghosted images of the other screen |
| [20:37:30] | wagnerrp: | polarization isnt perfect |
| [20:38:01] | wagnerrp: | the best linear polatizers might get you 600:1, but only at the perfect angle |
| [20:38:10] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:38:12] | dekarl: | question being, is it good enough? |
| [20:38:17] | wagnerrp: | circular polarizers dont have the angle issue, but contrast is significantly less |
| [20:38:23] | sphery: | and the active ones will do it right? |
| [20:38:39] | sphery: | right = well enough for gaming? |
| [20:39:18] | wagnerrp: | we could see plenty of bleed through with 2-d glasses on our circularly polarized DLPs at work |
| [20:39:24] | wagnerrp: | well enough, perhaps |
| [20:39:27] | wagnerrp: | but annoying still |
| [20:39:42] | sphery: | interesting |
| [20:39:50] | sphery: | so there's still no good use for 3d tvs? :) |
| [20:39:57] | wagnerrp: | the active glasses are nothing more than a simple LCD screen |
| [20:40:29] | wagnerrp: | theyre just a TN panel, with a heavily overdriven controller designed to no nothing but flip between the two maximums |
| [20:40:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:40:52] | sphery: | so depending on timing, they could block it pretty well, right |
| [20:41:11] | wagnerrp: | with CRTs, i assume they have a second filter, that you would have to remove for use on LCDs |
| [20:41:11] | sphery: | but might require some "overclosing" to make sure there's no bleed? |
| [20:41:37] | wagnerrp: | overclosing? |
| [20:42:18] | dekarl: | as in having some time where both eyes are dark? |
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| [20:42:36] | sphery: | keeping it blocked a bit longer than the frame is visible in case there's some slop |
| [20:43:22] | sphery: | in theory active for different screens for different gamers would have to put both eyes dark or light at the same time, right? |
| [20:44:24] | dekarl: | sphery: correct. I was refering to having both left and right lcds closed around the switch of the frame to avoid bleed |
| [20:44:28] | wagnerrp: | right, so at least you wouldnt have the issue of split flickering |
| [20:45:09] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I meant |
| [20:45:23] | sphery: | making up words since I haven't ever seen any real description |
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| [20:49:22] | kth: | wagnerrp: is it new just to add tv cards and no lnb configurations? i'm searching for the lnb configuration because this were some time ago my problem y i can't find any channels ;) |
| [20:49:56] | wagnerrp: | LNBs are configured in the diseqc configuration when you attach a video source to the proper input |
| [20:50:24] | kth: | wagnerrp: okay i'll try to find ;) |
| [20:52:23] | sphery: | hehe... "[mythtv-users] Philips TV crashing while browsing mythtv DLNA server" |
| [20:52:44] | iamlindoro: | WHY DOES MYTHTV CRASH PHILIPS SOFTWARE |
| [20:52:46] | sphery: | crashing the TV... now that's a problem that's relatively new |
| [20:53:00] | sphery: | back in the days of CRT TVs, you'd never see that |
| [20:53:23] | sphery: | yeah, UPnP would be nice if it were universal |
| [20:53:28] | wagnerrp: | slowly making it through a backlog? |
| [20:53:29] | iamlindoro: | Ah, so it's a side-effect of TV thickness ;) |
| [20:53:48] | wagnerrp: | so which one is more thick? |
| [20:54:01] | sphery: | unfortunately, it's only universal in a "people who make UPnP devices come from different universes of the multiverse" way |
| [20:54:03] | wagnerrp: | the "smart" LCD that crashes? or the CRT thats too "dumb" to crash? |
| [20:54:18] | sphery: | yeah, I'm a bit behind |
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| [20:54:58] | sphery: | I'll have to explore this thickness theory... my DLP hasn't crashed on me, so it may be the answer |
| [20:55:22] | kth: | wagnerrp: okay when i attach a video source to a input – where do i find the diseqc configuration? my dvb inputs are just there with -> (nothing) and then i can enter and select one video source to it but no lnb/diseqc configuration? |
| [20:55:26] | iamlindoro: | My Projector never crashes... so is it the thinnest TV, or the thickest since it's as "deep" as a whole room? |
| [20:55:36] | sphery: | now I'm just hoping the "Re: [mythtv-users] what do do about wrong data in myth video?" thread is finally closed out, properly |
| [20:55:46] | sphery: | instead of the "yep, mythtv is broken" assertion from the guy who's using it wrong |
| [20:56:02] | wagnerrp: | kth: IIRC, there is a button in the bottom left of that screen |
| [20:56:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery: but "there's definitely a subtle bug!" (that nobody else can reproduce, and he can't reproduce, and he's mucked with it with a variety of tools and modified the DB |
| [20:56:14] | sphery: | wonder if virtual thickness helps... |
| [20:56:37] | wagnerrp: | "works for me! closed!" |
| [20:56:44] | sphery: | yeah, one of those "there's a bug [in my own personal understanding]" things? |
| [20:56:47] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, I guess it's true-- MythVideo is broken when you modify the DB, use multiple metadata insertion methods, scan with a broken tool, and use unsupported filenames |
| [20:56:50] | iamlindoro: | stupid MythVideo |
| [20:57:08] | sphery: | don't you know that we have to support any broken data in the DB |
| [20:57:23] | sphery: | after all, 99% of people know SQL, so they all just edit the DB directly |
| [20:57:25] | kth: | wagnerrp: okay in my screen there is no button that i can see |
| [20:57:46] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: good thing you got rid of mythvideo, eh? |
| [20:57:46] | iamlindoro: | I specifically avoided mentioning that I wrote all that code when he asked for someone who "really knew the metadata code" to speak up |
| [20:57:48] | sphery: | Just like I know English, so I often have conversations about quantum mechanics |
| [20:57:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: whew, now it's just Myth core that's buggy ;) |
| [20:58:22] | sphery: | actually, bad example, since I understand all about quantum mechanics after having watched Quantum Leap |
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| [20:58:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know, i actually tried explaining the basics of QM to some new kid in the lab a few months back... oh was that painful |
| [20:59:02] | sphery: | so, just like I know English, so I can have conversations about neurosurgery |
| [20:59:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe |
| [20:59:25] | iamlindoro: | I learned that on Chicago Hope |
| [20:59:29] | sphery: | I tell you, just sit him down in front of the TV |
| [20:59:39] | wagnerrp: | "no, really, it actually exists in all potential states until it is 'observed' by interaction" |
| [20:59:55] | wagnerrp: | "no, that cant be, we just dont know what state it is until we observe it" |
| [21:00:00] | sphery: | do you guys actually use that or was this more of a "just out of interest" thing? |
| [21:00:13] | wagnerrp: | we dont touch the stuff |
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| [21:00:26] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea why he asked about it, or why he thought i knew anything about it |
| [21:00:27] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [21:01:06] | wagnerrp: | he saw some news article about "quantum teleportation", thinking it had anything to do with star-trek-style teleportation |
| [21:01:07] | sphery: | I find that whenever I take my Atom in to the Quantum Mechanic, it never makes the same knocking sound |
| [21:01:19] | wagnerrp: | so he decided to ask me if i knew anything about it |
| [21:01:19] | sphery: | it's really annoying |
| [21:01:30] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:01:34] | wagnerrp: | so i proceeded to explain to him the basics |
| [21:01:50] | sphery: | I heard about (haven't yet read) a book that talks about the problems with Star Trek tech |
| [21:01:51] | wagnerrp: | i _know_ the basics, i dont _understand_ the basics |
| [21:02:14] | wagnerrp: | but then no one actually understands it, they just realize that the existing experimental data supports the theory |
| [21:02:24] | sphery: | and they talked about the transporter... the amount of energy that would be created in converting a human's mass to energy, and the effect that beam of energy would have when it hit the receiver on this ship |
| [21:02:52] | wagnerrp: | and then theres the magical 'heisenberg compensators' |
| [21:03:00] | sphery: | (kind of like the directed-energy weapons that have been in development for some years) |
| [21:03:02] | wagnerrp: | cant forget those |
| [21:03:53] | dekarl: | but QM are bad, they are used to kill kitten by looking at them! |
| [21:04:19] | wagnerrp: | my dad would like to kill any kitten he looks at |
| [21:04:25] | sphery: | rest in peace, Shrodinger's Cat |
| [21:04:53] | wagnerrp: | chases 'em up and down the driveway in his car and on his motercycle |
| [21:05:02] | wagnerrp: | runs them off the porch and out of the yard |
| [21:05:23] | wagnerrp: | boots them out of the garage (repeatedly (that was a stupid cat)) |
| [21:07:53] | kth: | wagnerrp: is there a shortcut to add a lnb? in my inputconnections window there is DVB:/dev/.. (DVBInput)->None and i can just connect it through a video source – some time ago a could press rightarrow key and then enter and was able to add a lnb or not? |
| [21:08:08] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea, ive never set up a satellite tuner |
| [21:10:01] | kth: | tgm4883: do you have a idea how to set up the lnb in mythbuntu 11.10? – in 11.04 there were the trick with pressing rightarrow and hitting enter – do you know how to come to this special lnb menu in 11.10 ? |
| [21:10:08] | dekarl: | looking at "Customize channel priorities per tuner?". Does pointing two antennas at two sender sites and coupling them into one feed help or hurt. (basically changing the radiation pattern to have two lobes, one directed at each side) |
| [21:10:08] | dekarl: | I hope that made sense ;) |
| [21:10:10] | clever: | ive tried to explain Shrodinger's Cat to my dad several times, he doesnt understand it |
| [21:10:54] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: two directional antenna run to two separate tuners? |
| [21:11:26] | wagnerrp: | better to have two independent sources containing partially mixed sets of channels |
| [21:11:28] | dekarl: | two direcetional antennas running to one (or more) tuners |
| [21:12:01] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to have two directional antennas combined using tuned bandpass filters into one line, and then split to two tuners |
| [21:12:32] | dekarl: | hmm, I was thinking about coupling them without band filtering |
| [21:13:08] | wagnerrp: | if you couple without band filtering, then you just reduce the gain by that much in both directions |
| [21:13:20] | sphery: | yeah, I didn't say to just set up the channels for the location to which he's pointed the antenna, but that's what I'd do, too |
| [21:13:42] | sphery: | I can't really tell a user to do something, though, that might cost him money on hardware because MythTV is supposed to be free |
| [21:14:16] | dekarl: | but you would improve the gain over pointing one directional antenna between two sites? (assuming they're more then a few degrees apart) |
| [21:14:36] | sphery: | and, in spite of what I thought, it /is/ cheaper to write borked code to support multirec and make every Live TV user in existence complain about being locked on a channel than to just buy a new $40 tuner |
| [21:14:52] | sphery: | (borked code not because code is bad, but because the idea is bad) |
| [21:14:53] | wagnerrp: | dare i do it again? |
| [21:15:16] | wagnerrp: | this time the evidence is in the thread, and not some image he can delete |
| [21:15:36] | sphery: | do it! |
| [21:15:49] | sphery: | I wonder what behavior I'm attempting to incite |
| [21:16:19] | sphery: | so is this in the forum? |
| [21:16:29] | wagnerrp: | mailing list |
| [21:16:57] | cryptide: | what is the best way to kill a job that is in an infinite loop? |
| [21:17:18] | sphery: | kill <pid> |
| [21:17:46] | sphery: | "[mythtv-users] Best way to auto Transcode MPEG2 SD to save storage space" |
| [21:18:10] | sphery: | how can I spend a fortune on electricity (as in UK, electricity is much more expensive than here) so I don't have to buy another HDD for $100 |
| [21:18:38] | sphery: | seems that raymond guy knows what he's talking about |
| [21:19:40] | kth: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Manual_dvb-s_ . . . getS1500.jpg in my current version there is no diseqc button only a recording options button over the whole space |
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| [21:24:10] | ** wagnerrp waits for newbury to respond... ** | |
| [21:25:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: hahaha, the cycle begins anew |
| [21:25:14] | iamlindoro: | HOW DO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PROVE IT |
| [21:25:24] | wagnerrp: | this time there is un-deletable evidence |
| [21:25:25] | iamlindoro: | Maybe he likes to name his personally ripped files that way! |
| [21:25:47] | wagnerrp: | if i can search google for a filename like that, and find a download for that specific filename |
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| [21:25:56] | iamlindoro: | I know, I know |
| [21:26:46] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the power search query help last night! |
| [21:27:17] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: got distracted so I missed your replies right then, but I appreciate the suggestions! |
| [21:27:32] | wagnerrp: | god awful 2200kbps 1080p downloads no less |
| [21:28:49] | wagnerrp: | jstenback: im sad no one got the reference |
| [21:29:25] | wagnerrp: | pigman, looking for movies with michael caine and gene hackman, and then a movie with both michael caine and gene hackman |
| [21:29:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Why that's a whole kilobit per line! ;) |
| [21:30:33] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: heh |
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| [21:31:44] | wagnerrp: | you cant just say 'heh', you need to make some other reference to indicate you got it |
| [21:31:57] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: I didn't :) |
| [21:32:02] | wagnerrp: | booo |
| [21:32:13] | jstenback: | not much of a movie guy myself... |
| [21:32:42] | jstenback: | and my memory for names is virtually non-existent, which doesn't help at all |
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| [21:33:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that doesn't mean he downloaded it illegally... he might have been the guy who /shared/ it illegally |
| [21:33:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: isnt that worse? |
| [21:33:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and if it's the Newbury I'm thinking of... isn't he a lawyer? |
| [21:34:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes |
| [21:34:12] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:34:19] | sphery: | that's just plain sad |
| [21:35:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472653 |
| [21:36:15] | wagnerrp: | the file in the delete image was 'Shrek.Nordic.DVDr-ACC' |
| [21:36:33] | wagnerrp: | deleted very quickly after i responded |
| [21:36:54] | wagnerrp: | and of course when someone says 'illegal', it catches everyone's attention, so they went to check out the images and found something different |
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| [21:37:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: just waiting to see the lawyer asshats jump on ya |
| [21:37:52] | sphery: | oh, so you're saying that Newbury will say he might not have stolen it, not that Newbury is the guy posting the image that shows a bad filename? |
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| [21:38:25] | wagnerrp: | erm... thats the wrong thread |
| [21:39:19] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, now I'm not a lawyer, but I did watch the entire 1 season series of Conviction and that is definitely illegal in the commonwealth of massachusetts |
| [21:40:09] | tgm4883: | however article 7 of the geneva convention clearly states that it can be used under the DMCA provisioning of fair use |
| [21:40:22] | wagnerrp: | here it is... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469146 |
| [21:40:26] | tgm4883: | I think that clears up any wrongdoing in this situation |
| [21:40:33] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [21:40:42] | wagnerrp: | same user, same topic, wrong month |
| [21:40:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, you're talking about something happening on mythtvtalk, now, right? (I don't see any threads that might be it) |
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| [21:40:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ^^^^ |
| [21:40:57] | sphery: | the "do it again" stuff |
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| [21:43:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: basically, instead of seeing the 'this photo has been removed' and thinking the user in question was hiding the evidence |
| [21:43:18] | wagnerrp: | they decided he was innocent and went after me for slander and libel |
| [21:43:32] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [21:43:44] | sphery: | just wondering where the "again" is for the slander and libel |
| [21:43:56] | sphery: | I fear I may be missing a juicy thread |
| [21:44:03] | wagnerrp: | and the newbury guy was the one to 'throw the first stone' as it were |
| [21:44:17] | wagnerrp: | everyone else piled in behind him |
| [21:44:35] | AndyCap: | did I just travel 2 days back in time? |
| [21:44:36] | wagnerrp: | including the user in question |
| [21:44:54] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: nearly... someone just asked help for some pirated copy of harry potter |
| [21:45:00] | wagnerrp: | so i just responded the same as in that thread |
| [21:45:04] | AndyCap: | good, so it's not groundhog day. :) |
| [21:45:05] | sphery: | where? |
| [21:45:15] | wagnerrp: | mailing list |
| [21:45:24] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: well, maybe for you it is. :P |
| [21:45:39] | wagnerrp: | audio static when playing mp4/mkv files on 24.1 |
| [21:46:01] | AndyCap: | Haha, I read that as number of speakers, not mythtv version |
| [21:46:22] | wagnerrp: | 24.1 audio? nah |
| [21:46:39] | wagnerrp: | he doesnt even have enough bandwidth in that file to handle 25 channels of decent audio |
| [21:46:41] | AndyCap: | we'rw already up ti 11.2 so. |
| [21:46:45] | tgm4883: | AndyCap, thats terrible, it should be at least 24.3 |
| [21:47:29] | wagnerrp: | the whole 158 minute extended cut of harry potter in 1080p, in just 3GB |
| [21:47:56] | AndyCap: | oh, that reminds me, I was going to order the blu-ray if they're all done now. |
| [21:48:13] | wagnerrp: | why order it, just search for the filename he posted on google! |
| [21:48:14] | sphery: | ahhh, finally found it |
| [21:48:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:48:17] | sphery: | sorry |
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| [21:48:18] | sphery: | was slow |
| [21:48:19] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: haha |
| [21:48:28] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, with a video bitrate of 100k |
| [21:48:32] | sphery: | that's one of the threads I skipped since I don't pay a lot of attention to audio stuff |
| [21:48:37] | tgm4883: | couldn't be much higher |
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| [21:50:20] | tgm4883: | the rip would be as blocky as iamlindoro's background in arclight |
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| [21:51:35] | iamlindoro: | "I think that was a boob!" |
| [21:52:03] | wagnerrp: | blocky background in arclight? you must have the broken version |
| [21:52:10] | iamlindoro: | the free version |
| [21:52:12] | wagnerrp: | email him directly to get a copy of the fixed version |
| [21:52:17] | iamlindoro: | bastard |
| [21:52:38] | wagnerrp: | do so on as many accounts as you can find, he likes that |
| [21:52:46] | skd5aner: | yea, the fixed version is just "blue" |
| [21:52:56] | skd5aner: | 1 giant blue pixel |
| [21:55:13] | dekarl: | one pixel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugV6cLgwomo |
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| [22:01:18] | wagnerrp: | anyone else been getting a rash of spam from the email they have registered on github recently? |
| [22:01:56] | wagnerrp: | i had been getting like one or two a month, but since mid november, ive gotten a hundred or so |
| [22:09:17] | kormoc_: | it's public info, so that'd be expected I'd imagine |
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| [22:09:23] | kth: | anyone an idea if on capture card setup mythtv setup says frondend id: could not get card info for card subtype unknown error ? |
| [22:10:28] | iamlindoro: | It means there's no card found/no driver loaded properly, or it doesn't have permission to access one if there is |
| [22:11:46] | kth: | iamlindoro: thats pretty strange because i can use both of these cards with kaffeine with the same user hmm |
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| [22:13:16] | ** sphery guesses that you're using a different user ** | |
| [22:13:20] | sphery: | mythbackend user |
| [22:13:31] | sphery: | i.e. as modified by the mythbackend start script |
| [22:14:32] | kth: | iamlindoro: in the log window of mythtv-setup appears something like diseqcdevtree warning no device tree for cardid 7 and also fe_get_info ioctl failed on both /dev/dvb/adapterX/frontends ... – sphery this could be – i'll take a look |
| [22:14:53] | stuartm: | kth: what card type did you select? |
| [22:15:14] | kth: | stuartm: dvb dtv capture card |
| [22:15:21] | kth: | (v3.x) |
| [22:15:30] | stuartm: | and what cards are they, DVB-S/T/C, ATSC, QAM256? |
| [22:15:49] | kth: | dvb-s2 so dvb-s ^ |
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| [22:16:32] | stuartm: | what version of mythtv? |
| [22:16:33] | kth: | sphery: it seems that mythtv-setup runs under my user which i've used to watch tv using kaffeine so that shouldn't be the problem |
| [22:17:13] | kth: | where do i get the definitive version? – ubuntu version string is 2:0.24.0+fixes.201 (mythbuntu 11.10) |
| [22:17:29] | stuartm: | ok, version if fine for DVB-S2 |
| [22:17:43] | stuartm: | kth: you'll also see that error if another application is holding a lock on the cards – kaffeine etc are not running at the time? |
| [22:18:28] | kth: | stuartm: correctly kaffeine is not running when i try to find a configuration in mythtv-setup that works |
| [22:19:37] | kth: | stuartm: last time the trick was to setup diseqc correctly i think but actually i cannot configure anything on diseqc options because there is no button and the old right enter trick seem not to work anymore |
| [22:19:52] | stuartm: | kth: press 'down' first |
| [22:20:24] | kth: | stuartm: okay ... in which menu do i have to do that? |
| [22:21:13] | stuartm: | the diseqc one, instead of 'right/enter', down/enter |
| [22:21:40] | stuartm: | although it might not permit config of the diseqc options if it cannot query the card |
| [22:21:58] | kth: | stuartm: this could be the problem ^ |
| [22:22:15] | wagnerrp: | if it cant query the card, it cant very well use the card either |
| [22:22:17] | kth: | stuartm: as i cannot see any diseqc menu |
| [22:22:47] | wagnerrp: | what user are you running mythtv-setup as? |
| [22:23:28] | wagnerrp: | is mythbackend running at the same time, and locking out access to the card? |
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| [22:24:43] | kth: | as root i start mythtv-setup and no mythbackend is shutting down before |
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| [22:25:08] | kth: | oh ... |
| [22:25:17] | kth: | i think there is just another wrapper script |
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| [22:26:34] | kth: | hm okay even if i start mythtv-setup.real (which should be the right one i hope) as root the could not get card info error appears |
| [22:27:20] | kth: | also the ioctl error |
| [22:28:01] | Beirdo: | OK, time to hunt down some food |
| [22:28:25] | stuartm: | kth, Have you tried 'Delete all capture cards' and started again from scratch? |
| [22:28:26] | kth: | also the errors on diseqc are still there then |
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| [22:28:33] | iamlindoro: | ioctl error suggests a much lower level problem |
| [22:28:39] | kth: | stuartm: several times ^ |
| [22:28:46] | stuartm: | odd |
| [22:32:09] | kth: | stuartm: okay well what i'm doing to get a configuration is : first set up a card then a video source and then a connection – when do i have to configure diseqc? i found some screenshots where there is a button in configuration of the capture card but not at my side maybe because of the ioctl error |
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| [22:33:33] | kth: | i also tried to reset language settings to english so that no gui problem could occur |
| [22:34:00] | kth: | but as soon as i click on new capture card the ioctl failed error appears in the log |
| [22:34:06] | iamlindoro: | What revision of MythTV (not just version, but actual revision) are you using |
| [22:34:32] | stuartm: | kth: the button is only shown when we know we're looking at a DVB-S(2) card, since we're unable to query the card it won't know what the type is – the ioctl error is the one to worry about for now, you can ignore the diseqc warning |
| [22:34:49] | stuartm: | kth: mythbackend --version |
| [22:34:50] | kth: | iamlindoro: could you give me a hint how a can find out that? – it is schema version 1264 |
| [22:34:54] | stuartm: | mythtv-setup --version |
| [22:35:00] | kth: | stuartm: ah k sec |
| [22:35:32] | ** iamlindoro will guess that it's a package compiled without v4l support/with the broken ubuntu v4l1 patch ** | |
| [22:35:51] | kth: | iamlindoro: v0.24.1-80-g1de0431 |
| [22:36:21] | iamlindoro: | hmm, well that's not *that* old, so I guess not |
| [22:36:54] | iamlindoro: | It would probably be best to see actual logs |
| [22:37:01] | iamlindoro: | not excerpted, but from start to finish |
| [22:37:04] | kth: | the driver i use for my s2–3600 dvb-s2 cards is dvb_usb_pctv452e |
| [22:37:37] | kth: | iamlindoro: which logs do you need? mythtv-setup ones? |
| [22:37:48] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup is a good start, yes |
| [22:37:56] | kth: | well okay just a mom |
| [22:38:17] | stuartm: | the driver should be irrelevant, but just in case, what kernel version? |
| [22:38:43] | kth: | 3.0.0.14-generic |
| [22:39:12] | stuartm: | ok, if the DVB api had changed in 3.0 we'd have heard about it long before now |
| [22:39:12] | kth: | its a mythbuntu 11.10 installed from iso + updated to last updates of ubuntu |
| [22:39:14] | iamlindoro: | Ah, let me check tickets, I bet I know what this is |
| [22:39:25] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: or maybe not? |
| [22:39:34] | dekarl: | you'll run into http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10153 too methinks |
| [22:39:36] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it's a kernel 30 thing |
| [22:39:40] | iamlindoro: | er 3.0 |
| [22:39:58] | iamlindoro: | arm, maybe not, I was thinking of that ticket |
| [22:40:13] | iamlindoro: | But I guess it wouldn't prevent seeing the card? (unless those cards were defined in an older version) |
| [22:40:37] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: I agree, that will be the next hurdle, but he's not even there yet |
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| [22:42:48] | kth: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/wdhsgMBU |
| [22:43:39] | iamlindoro: | Is your user really named "user?" |
| [22:43:43] | kth: | iamlindoro: thats the startup of mythtv-setup as root (using sudo) and then when i click on new capture card |
| [22:43:54] | kth: | iamlindoro: no ;) |
| [22:44:01] | kth: | iamlindoro: is this important? ;) |
| [22:44:02] | iamlindoro: | So you're editing the logs, or...? |
| [22:44:17] | iamlindoro: | Well, you never know what is important, editing logs helps nobody |
| [22:44:18] | kth: | iamlindoro: yes i replaced my user by "user" |
| [22:44:32] | kth: | iamlindoro: but nothing else ^ |
| [22:45:46] | dekarl: | kth, did you have to install S2-liplianin or something? can you pastebin dmesg? |
| [22:46:41] | kth: | dekarl: i've installed git clone git://linuxtv.org/media_build.git cd media_build ./build sudo make install – to get the cards working |
| [22:46:59] | kth: | dekarl: just a moment |
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| [22:55:41] | kth: | dekarl: http://pastebin.com/PWkAYbDG |
| [22:56:35] | kth: | dekarl: i've just replaced macs and uuids so this values are quite okay ^ |
| [22:57:16] | kormoc: | Cause a root UUID or mac address are security issues? |
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| [23:00:29] | kth: | kormoc: because they are maybe privacy relevant maybe also a specific summary of hardware could be privacy relevant so this stripping is maybe not enough ;) – privacy protection isn't easy today ;) |
| [23:00:56] | kormoc: | There is such a thing called worrying too much about nothing |
| [23:01:48] | kth: | kormoc: well this could also be the truth ;) |
| [23:02:52] | kth: | iamlindoro: it doesnt prevent me from seeing the card inside of mythtv-setup ... it just prevents me from configure diseqc options |
| [23:03:30] | iamlindoro: | kth: If you are getting failed to probe/unknown type, then it *is* preventing you seeing it in mythtv-setup |
| [23:04:13] | kth: | iamlindoro: i'm able to choose /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend as dvb card – and also add it with this but no editing of diseqc |
| [23:04:38] | iamlindoro: | kth: Sure, you can choose it, but if you can't probe it, you're not actually accessing the card |
| [23:05:10] | kth: | iamlindoro: well okay that sounds like the truth ;) |
| [23:07:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: it might be a good idea to write up an explicit flow chart of how metadata and images work |
| [23:07:29] | wagnerrp: | since everyone seems to get it wrong |
| [23:07:49] | wagnerrp: | might want to put in bold letters, IF IT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY, IT IS BECAUSE SOME EXTERNAL UTILITY DID IT |
| [23:08:08] | wagnerrp: | (also, check my response on the list to make sure i didnt get it wrong) |
| [23:10:20] | iamlindoro: | Response looks good to me (though I might have chosen a different example for the grandchild artwork search) |
| [23:10:27] | iamlindoro: | Thanks for responding |
| [23:11:12] | kth: | iamlindoro: any idea to get it working that mythtv could probe/access the card? which rights should a dvb device normally should have? |
| [23:11:42] | iamlindoro: | kth: I have no idea what your issue is, unfortunately, other than to say that your dmesg doesn't look healthy to me with all those i2c errors |
| [23:13:12] | dekarl: | kth: I'm out of ideas, too. Last resort might be to run dvbscan on it to make sure the kernel+driver+card combination *works* as expected |
| [23:15:09] | kth: | iamlindoro: well you're right on the i2c errors – but i've searched for the i2c errors of the pctv452e driver – it seems that this is no problem for using this driver – there are several yaVDR user using this driver without any problems and i'm using kaffeine to view dvb-s and even dvb-s2 channels on both of my s2–3600 cards – dekarl well okay i could try out this ^ – my last option will be to go back to my hdd image of mythbuntu 11.04 with s2-liplianin i |
| [23:16:12] | dekarl: | kth, if kaffeine works, thats ok, too. You're using the same kernel+driver+card after all ;) |
| [23:16:58] | kth: | dekarl: yes kaffeine works out of box even channel search and watching ... – but i don't want to use kaffeine instead of mythtv ;) |
| [23:19:01] | Seeker`: | hmm, has anyone tried getting boblight working with VDPAU? |
| [23:31:31] | kth: | dekarl: iamlindoro: is there any way to configure diseqc options by hand/config files/db ? |
| [23:32:10] | iamlindoro: | no, and there's no point in that anyway-- if the ioctrls are failing, so will recording, even if you fake the config |
| [23:33:38] | kth: | iamlindoro: is updating through a newer mythtv version an option ? |
| [23:34:13] | iamlindoro: | It won't change anything, that area of mythtv hasn't really changed |
| [23:34:49] | iamlindoro: | Your card *should* be responding correctly to those ioctrls, I am not convinced that it's a MythTV problem |
| [23:35:08] | iamlindoro: | just because caffeine works doesn't mean it's a myth problem, it just means caffeine works differently |
| [23:35:12] | iamlindoro: | er kafeiene |
| [23:35:22] | iamlindoro: | kaffeine, stupid autocorrect |
| [23:36:47] | kth: | iamlindoro: i don't thought that mythtv is the problem – i've just searching ways to work around – is changing from this driver back to the s2 liplianin one an option or is this problem located in the kernel and the way it works there ? |
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| [23:37:29] | iamlindoro: | I can't say where the problem lies, honestly, one of the v4l-dvb guys would be the best people to say… if devinheitmueller were here I would suggest asking him |
| [23:37:41] | Beirdo: | oh, what to do with #10066 |
| [23:37:50] | iamlindoro: | He'd be able to say fairly quickly whether the driver should respond to that ioctrl in that kernel version |
| [23:37:58] | iamlindoro: | (and probably tell you if it is a quirky or broken driver) |
| [23:38:57] | kth: | iamlindoro: okay thank you – i'll try out wether it is working with another driver and if this fails i'll go back on my 11.04 version with s2 drivers as this works very good ^ |
| [23:39:02] | iamlindoro: | There *are* a ton of threads all over the internet talking about kernel 3.0 breaking DVB, though… can't say if they might be relevant, though, I'm afraid, as I'm not using DVB tuners any more and not using kernel 3.0 |
| [23:39:22] | iamlindoro: | kth: If devon turns up before you do that, it would be worth asking him |
| [23:39:24] | iamlindoro: | er devin |
| [23:40:07] | kth: | iamlindoro: i'll do if he's going online before that ;) |
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| [23:47:10] | iamlindoro: | kth: Are you using a DVB loopback driver? |
| [23:49:06] | kth: | iamlindoro: i don't know wether pctv452e is using a loopback internally but i only try to use my cards directly using dvb_pctv452e kernel module which creates a /dev/dvb/adapterX/frontend0 – and this one inside mythtv as DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [23:49:42] | iamlindoro: | kth: OK, so there is no loopback module loaded, or any sort of soft cam present in your system? |
| [23:50:11] | kth: | iamlindoro: i've just updated mythtv to a later version it seems and now i can setup the diseqc options but the ioctl problems are still remaining – i don't think because i'm only watching free tv ^ |
| [23:51:06] | kth: | this version now is v0.24-1-114-g4125a40 |
| [23:51:11] | iamlindoro: | ok. Just saying, as the only similar references I am finding to your problem are people doing naughty things like that… which are obviously not supported or appreciated here. |
| [23:52:00] | kth: | iamlindoro: well i'm definitly not trying to use softcams or something like that only good old free tv ;) |
| [23:52:19] | iamlindoro: | ok, good |
| [23:52:42] | kth: | iamlindoro: is a complete output of mythbackend --version helpful? |
| [23:52:59] | iamlindoro: | no, as it's really not a mythtv problem, so it's not something that version output is going to help us with |
| [23:53:22] | iamlindoro: | dmesg and other circumstantial evidence suggests it's a kernel issue |
| [23:53:52] | kth: | iamlindoro: okay – then i'll try now to compile and use s2-liplianin instead of the driver which i'm using now and then try wether it works then correctly |
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