Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 31st, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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kwisher:

can anyone assist?

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prologic:

with?

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[R]:

dont watch livetv

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[R]:

problem solved

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kwisher:

i don't but the wife does

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kwisher:

prologic: I receive a "video frame buffering failed too many times" error when watching livetv on tuner1 and try to record on tuner2

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Beirdo:

d

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Beirdo:

woops, wrong window

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: is newbury the guy who threatened i could be subject to liable when i responded to some user that we would not assist with his stolen content?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, I think he is a lawyer IIRC so it's possible...

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knightr:

is he still on the SD board?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

knightr: i cant find the thread in question at the moment

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wagnerrp:

but right around a year ago

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knightr:

yep, I remember it that's why I said he was a lawyer...

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darkdrgn2k3:

any one know of a fix for the asus HDMI audio nvidia >260 phenominon where we loose audio when X restarts untill we reboot?

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wagnerrp:

some user requested help with some problem, and posted an image with all sorts of filenames that indicate pirated content

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Beirdo:

He's a Canadian lawyer though, not sure how good his US law is

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wagnerrp:

so i called him on it, he removed the image in question, and claimed innocence

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knightr:

Robert had posted on it too, that's why I remember that he was on the SD board because he had mentionned it...

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wagnerrp:

so the entire mailing list descended upon me for false accusations

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wagnerrp:

i had a big long ~2k word response i was going to take to him and the user in question, explaining why i was not the one at fault

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wagnerrp:

but we decided to just let it silently drop, rather than throw more fuel on the fire

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kormoc:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/469307

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the one

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wagnerrp:

i actually thought it was in december

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Beirdo:

I saw the image in question too

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wagnerrp:

well i dont have a copy of the image, but i found the draft i had sent to kormoc, that decided not to pass on

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wagnerrp:

it lists one of the files... 'Shrek.Nordic.DVDr-ACC'

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knightr:

the problem with big replies it that some people don't bother reading them so I guess it was best to just let the thread die down...

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[R]:

"Please refrain from making libellous aspersions "

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[R]:

w t f...

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wagnerrp:

no, this was going to be handled off-list

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Beirdo:

I was close to saying "Please refrain from mouthing off in this mailing list"

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

what is an aspersion?

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wagnerrp:

the opposite of dispersion?

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kormoc:

[R], http://bit.ly/tZ5A4V

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wagnerrp:

huh... it is aspersion

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[R]:

kormoc: i hate you

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Seeker`:

a defamatory or sladerous remark

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kormoc:

[R], I know. I try so hard.

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[R]:

ug, that opened in firefox

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wagnerrp:

every time ive heard people use that phrase in speech, i guess they slurred it together

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[R]:

and i have no adblock

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[R]:

and my senses are being engulfed in ads

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wagnerrp:

i always thought it was "cast dispersion"

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Seeker`:

isn't 'libellous aspersion' a little redundant

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[R]:

i like this one better

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[R]:

"the act of sprinkling, as in baptism."

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kormoc:

Sure, but in law, there's no such thing as being too redundant

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Seeker`:

kormoc: good thing the mythtv mailing list isn't a courtroom :P

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wagnerrp:

Seeker`: why is that?

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wagnerrp:

following that analogy, kormoc and Beirdo would be judges

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wagnerrp:

or perhaps... bailiffs

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kormoc:

Just call me Bull

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wagnerrp:

the ones that get to beat people up and haul them off if theyre unruly

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: because there isn't a requirement to be so incredibly pedantic about what is written. And it doesn't need to be written in legalese

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wagnerrp:

going to shave your head now?

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kormoc:

Easier to maintain!

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** wagnerrp misses night court **

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kormoc:

Yeah, was pretty awesome

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wagnerrp:

i experienced night court once

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wagnerrp:

except... it was during the day

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[R]:

wagnerrp: was that the one with the cool theme song?

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wagnerrp:

some guy rear-ended me in ohio, and of course ohio doesnt recognize kentucky licenses

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wagnerrp:

so the cop charged me with driving on an invalid license

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Beirdo:

what?

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wagnerrp:

i go to court to defend myself

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Beirdo:

what a load of bullshit that is

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Beirdo:

err...

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wagnerrp:

theres some mexican, or cuban there

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo language

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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wagnerrp:

probably cuban, too far east for mexicans

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wagnerrp:

DA is talking to him, "do you have a lawyer?" "yes" "what is his name" "yes"...

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wagnerrp:

all the guy could say was "yes"

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wagnerrp:

i could close my eyes and hear dan fielding talking to him

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[R]:

was it "yes" or "jes"

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wagnerrp:

one of those

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wagnerrp:

it went on for like 2–3 minutes

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wagnerrp:

DA got frustrated, went off somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

came back about 10 minutes later and went through the whole routine a second time

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** Beirdo slaps squid3 **

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Beirdo:

I want it to pass anything in .marchex.com (work) directly to another cache with no DNS lookups

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Beirdo:

as the DNS is not visible

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well now I just KNOW that Dan Armbrust is manipulating the DB somehow or scanning in MythWeb-- every example he's posted scans perfectly in .24 and master using the backend scanner or the UI scanner.

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iamlindoro:

(which are obviously one and the same, but just for the sake of completeness, tested all around)

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wagnerrp:

but if we just supported user-defined patterns for filename parsing

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wagnerrp:

we could do away with all those garish rules about no formats, resolutions, or release groups

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[R]:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Nearly four releases with the exact same file parsing code, and nobody has realized how horribly broken it is!

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iamlindoro:

These myth devs are really a bunch of Nazi idiots

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iamlindoro:

When they're not stomping on freedom they're ruining "our" MythTV

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wagnerrp:

oh now you did it

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wagnerrp:

had to bring godwin into it

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iamlindoro:

Godwin damn it

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Seeker`:

I would be interested to know how he was getting it to get TV series from the movie source

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iamlindoro:

Some people put in a record for a whole TV series at TMDB

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iamlindoro:

so if he inserts it into the DB with something that breaks file parsing, and it sets season and episode to 0, it will use the movie grabber, and get that

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kormoc:

We all know that DVDs are movies, and Tv shows come on DVDs, therefore tv shows are movies!

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Seeker`:

I mean it was getting the correct id from the tvdb, but looking up that id from the movie db

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[R]:

kormoc: i like your logic!

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iamlindoro:

No, he was settings it

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iamlindoro:

er setting

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Seeker`:

ah, missed that

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iamlindoro:

I've known since the start that he was mucking with the data, but the whole thread was getting a little long in the tooth

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iamlindoro:

I only just now tested his examples against both the release and master, they work perfectly

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iamlindoro:

so whatever he's scanning with, it's not Mythvideo, or the filename isn't what he says it is

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wagnerrp:

lovely, a user with so old a processor, it literally will cost them more to transcode than they save in hard drive space

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kormoc:

That's using the devil math! We all know electric is free!

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iamlindoro:

Oh come now, you can do that with a modern processor too, it's called an Atom ;)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: It is when mom provides it!

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wagnerrp:

mom's friendly electric company?

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iamlindoro:

That's what we celebrate on Mother's Day!

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kormoc:

It is just a extension of Mom's Old-Fashioned Robot Oil, the leading oil brand. Now containing 10% more love then the next leading brand.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: MOAR DRIVEZ

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Beirdo:

squid3 is now behaving

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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jamesd_laptop:

nah boiled alive... after they got too close to the volcanic ash coming hawaii

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heh, I stopped reading after "I defined my card as v4l," missed that bit entirely

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iamlindoro:

or rather, my eye fell to that and I missed the other bit above

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wagnerrp:

im more concerned about email coming from a domain that resolves to 127.0.0.1

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iamlindoro:

Kinda makes you feel like you're talking to yourself

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iamlindoro:

see what I did there

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wagnerrp:

well i do feel right at home

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wagnerrp:

any intention of unbanning that guy from last night?

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wagnerrp:

if not, your op is still showing

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iamlindoro:

I suppose

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wagnerrp:

out of curiosity, how did you know he whois'd you?

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wagnerrp:

is that something that only shows up if youre op'd at the time?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@mythtv/developer/iamlindoro : -b *!*voyo@*.home.aster.pl

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wagnerrp:

or is it just something that shows up on the channel logs i never bother to look at?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I don't actually know, I can't find it in my logs now-- I hadn't seen it before

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prologic:

did someone help out kwisher?

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iamlindoro:

Well look at that.. I was skeptical but Alcatraz actaully looks good

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wagnerrp:

was there a preview?

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wagnerrp:

or did you just see some extended ad?

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iamlindoro:

just alongish ad

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iamlindoro:

er a longish

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iamlindoro:

"Touch" might be good too

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wagnerrp:

havent heard of touch

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cryptide:

What should I be referencing if I want to create a user job that exports mythtv metadata to an xml file?

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wagnerrp:

any particular XML file?

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cryptide:

wagnerrp: I just want basic metadata for a recording

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wagnerrp:

for immediate use or for storage?

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cryptide:

I'd also like to rename my recording file to something human-readable with some of that data. I'd only be doing that to a file that won't be touched by mythtv again

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wagnerrp:

immediate use, i would have whatever application just grab it directly, or pull the XML from the services API (previously mythxml)

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wagnerrp:

for storage, mythtv has its own internal format that it uses for data grabbers

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format

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cryptide:

it is for storage

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings have a method for dumping information out of recordings and videos into that format

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cryptide:

it need to be in a particular format for this roku channel to like it. Ok sweet, i'll start there

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wagnerrp:

well thats not going to do you any good if the format doesnt match

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wagnerrp:

mythroku wont do what you need?

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wagnerrp:

http://sites.google.com/site/mythroku/home/downloads

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cryptide:

mythroku is very rough

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[R]:

just the way your mother likes it, trebeck

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cryptide:

this roksbox channel looks more polished

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wagnerrp:

[R]: im a bit surprised, no comment yet on that forum about my 'unhelpful' and 'snarky' reply

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[R]:

i dont remember which one

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[R]:

theres been so many

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

the one about adding channels using... alternate guide grabbers

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[R]:

oh yeah, haha

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cryptide:

looks like I may not need to use the XML service at all. I can run my user job script with almost all the data I really want.

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wagnerrp:

its generally not a good idea to pass large amounts of data on the command line

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wagnerrp:

its absolutely not a good idea to pass the description on the command line

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[R]:

that's what she sid?

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[R]:

said*

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wagnerrp:

(even though there is an option to do so)

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cryptide:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

the description can be up to 16000 characters long

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wagnerrp:

and can have characters that do bad things in terms of shell escaping

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wagnerrp:

if youre writing XML, youre going to be using a language with a proper XML parser, presumably

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wagnerrp:

(i assume you dont intend to use bash for this)

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cryptide:

you are right

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wagnerrp:

what language?

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cryptide:

py

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wagnerrp:

just pass the single job id

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cryptide:

ok

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wagnerrp:

use 'Job(<jobid>)' to pull the job instance

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wagnerrp:

use 'Recorded.fromJob(<job instance>)' to get the recording itself

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wagnerrp:

and then pull whatever data you need out of the Recorded object

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cryptide:

it is almost too easy, thanks

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[R]:

THAT'S what she said...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/ . . . t_wagner.php

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[R]:

any relation?

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wagnerrp:

possibly, probably not

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wagnerrp:

wagner is a fairly common name

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wagnerrp:

half meter resolution? thats surprisingly poor

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wagnerrp:

storage and time not withstanding, i would expect an order of magnitude better out of the LRO

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wagnerrp:

i mean the thing is only 50km up, there is no atmosphere to cause distortion

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wagnerrp:

and you can use synthetic aperture imaging to make up for limited sensor resolution and lens diameter

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[R]:

maybe they should have consulted you...

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[R]:

http://shirt.woot.com/

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[R]:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

i mean nothing changes on the moon

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[R]:

oh damn it just updated

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[R]:

http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=23152

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wagnerrp:

and even shadows dont change quickly with the 760hr days

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wagnerrp:

take multiple images in succession of a single area as it passes overhead

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wagnerrp:

record the exact angle

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wagnerrp:

and merge them together in post processing for higher resolution

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wagnerrp:

mmm....

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wagnerrp:

he responds with the typical "i own windows 7, i have the right use mc2xml"

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats the same argument as "i bought the dvd, that means i can download a rip"

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mycosys:

Happy New Year!

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: the following is likely not correct... "If you want to run Media Center to download that data, and then extract that data from Media Center's internal database, that would be perfectly fine."

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dekarl:

Thats the same constellation we had over here with tvmovie's program guide. Just because its already on your hard disk doesnt mean its fair game.

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stuartm:

dekarl: "the same constellation" < is that a German expression? I've not heard it before

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dekarl:

stuartm: hmm, leo says it should have been "the same combination/context", seems its not so usual to say it in english ;) so yes, thats a bad translation from german

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dekarl:

http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Konstellation

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Seeker`:

I don't think "the same constellation" in necessarily bad english though

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Seeker`:

I think I've heard of a set of symptoms for a medical condition called a constellation of symptoms

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darkdrgn2k2:

curiouse, when downloading movie covers, any reason it turncates some of the name (ie it will drop subtitles and some other important identifiable information)

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iamlindoro:

What's "other important identifiable information?"

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iamlindoro:

and movie artwork aren't named by movie name at all, they're named by inetref

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iamlindoro:

Only TV artwork is downloaded with the name in the filename, and since you're downloading a piece of artwork which applies to either an entire series or a single season, there's no such thing as a subtitle

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: constellation?

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

"Phillips TV crashing while browsing mythtv DLNA server"

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wagnerrp:

the tv is... crashing?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what was the consensus on those pending-delete changes you had me make to find_orphans?

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Seeker`:

any idea why i'm seeing recordings scheduled in 'backend status' -> 'Schedule' on mythweb, but not in 'Upcoming recordings'?

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Seeker`:

(again, on mythweb)

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Seeker`:

Most of the upcoming recordings show on both, only seems to be episodes of the simpsons that dont

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wagnerrp:

both pull from the exact same place

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Seeker`:

:/ thats a little weird

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'd like to include it in the find_orphans.py--but don't change deletepending flag in database, just submit a new delete request

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sphery:

then when I push the change that puts it in the housekeeper for 0.25, I can send the -fixes users the way of the script

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wagnerrp:

ok

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sphery:

pretty sure you had it written, right--just maybe needed to take out the db change

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wagnerrp:

forced delete?

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sphery:

and, btw, thanks

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sphery:

seems either delete will work

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sphery:

wouldn't hurt to do forced, I'd guess

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wagnerrp:

im just going through my script directory and committing assorted changes ive made over the past several months

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sphery:

nice... gotta finish my housekeeper fix for it

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ponyofdeath:

hi, i have an dual tuner card and am trying to play live tv from two separate clients on the network is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned when i directed you here, yes

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wagnerrp:

in so much as mythtv supports 'live tv' anyway

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt stream live, it streams recordings

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wagnerrp:

even when you enter 'watch tv', the entire session is being stored to disk, and the frontend is watching the recording a couple seconds behind live

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wagnerrp:

CiaranG: i pushed most of your updates, but im going to handle the listing-only stuff differently

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wagnerrp:

i want to rework that stuff so it automatically doesnt pull anything if it detects metadata has already been pulled on the recording

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** iamlindoro wonders why he doesn't see any of wagnerrp's commits **

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iamlindoro:

commited but not pushed perhaps?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heh, your P4 transcode thread has a guy who thinks transcoding something with 4x more resolution will only add 60% to the transcode time... MATH FAIL

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iamlindoro:

and the guy has no experience with the hardware anyway, so it's just a "probably"

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CiaranG:

wagnerrp: Only the --delete option was mine, the rest was syncing up with the script I was running, which came from the wiki and seemed to be a version ahead of what you had in your repo

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: this was stuff in my script repo, not a myth one

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wagnerrp:

specifically, mythvidexport

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[R]:

wagnerrp: 600mb 1080i... W T F

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wagnerrp:

transcoding for space makes people feel good about themselves, until you show them how much theyre actually saving by doing so

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[R]:

obviously hes doing it for longterm storage... whats the point of saving something with such crappy quality... i would never want to keep something with such a low bitrate

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wagnerrp:

"but thats the size the stuff i download comes as"

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** [R] snickers **

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