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Wednesday, December 28th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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dvanstone:

hi

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StevenR_:

low

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dvanstone:

do i need to have the capture card installed before i install mythtv ?

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StevenR_:

no

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dvanstone:

ok

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wagnerrp:

mythtv requires a capture card to be defined in mythtv-setup before you can run the backend

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wagnerrp:

and it requires the backend to be running before you can start a frontend

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dvanstone:

when i run mythtv-setup it crashes

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wagnerrp:

crashes, how?

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dvanstone:

brings up abrt

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what that means

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dvanstone:

it brought up the bug reporting tool

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dvanstone:

http://fpaste.org/SV3q/ is the backtrace

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wagnerrp:

what graphics card do you have?

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dvanstone:

nvidia 520

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dvanstone:

capture card is Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1800

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StevenR_:

wagnerrp: going back to what you said earlier (allowing recordings to be re-recorded) – I can't find out what the symbols mean. Some are marked r, others p. Some have a blue dot, and some a grey cross/dot

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dvanstone:

is there a quick start guide i seen it mentioned in documentation

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dvanstone:

anyone ?

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sphery:

StevenR_: in the bottom and/or lower left corner of the screen (or somewhere on there), it should give details when you select a specific episode--at least with some (proper?) themes... Things like "Recorded" or "Never Record" or Recorded – "Allow Rerecord" or whatever

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sphery:

dvanstone: what kind of quick start? for how to do the setup stuff? there's not really anything like that available that I know of, but some distros may have info on their wikis or something

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dvanstone:

sphery: well i followed the setup for fedora that's on your wiki but the current version is 16 and the wiki was stating 12

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dvanstone:

that is why i was thinking that I installed it incorrectly or maybe it is better supported in another distro

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

http://www.freelancer.com/projects/Script-Ins . . . dium=twitter

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wagnerrp:

shame you have to post a bid to comment

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PSU:

okay, i was able to get my DCR-2650 setup with relative ease thanks to sphery's help! Now it seems that i only have one problem remaining which relates to one HD channel. it will only play for 5–10 seconds in LiveTV mode or recorded mode and then it fails with the error "Video frame buffering failed too many times." here's the actually errors in the console -> http://pastebin.com/7uDGzpi7.

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PSU:

Since this only happens on one channel (I verified 15+ were fine) do I need to call Comcast to have them push something to the cable card, or is there a way to resolve this in myth? I verified that the channel looks fine from my Comcast DVR box.

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wagnerrp:

thats the frontend log

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does not record anything

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PSU:

wagnerrp: okay..how would i get a log of LiveTV to display possible problems?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend only does playback

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wagnerrp:

while you are speaking of a recording issue

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wagnerrp:

you need to post backend logs

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wagnerrp:

(livetv is just a recording by a different name)

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PSU:

gotcha...how would i get to the backend logs?

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wagnerrp:

how did you get the frontend logs?

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PSU:

just started mythfrontend from a terminal window and copied/pasted the terminal window

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wagnerrp:

the backend logs to the terminal just the same

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wagnerrp:

unless you started it with the '--logfile' parameter

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wagnerrp:

or had the shell redirect it to a file

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PSU:

ok, so i should just restart the backend in a separate terminal and capture the logs there?

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wagnerrp:

check in /var/log/ or /var/log/mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

if you started it through your distro's init script

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wagnerrp:

they like stuffing the backend logs in there

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PSU:

ok, sec

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sphery:

iamlindoro: hehe, $99/box... sounds like a job for Atom!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: minus the hard drive, or tuner, or worthwhile video output, or...

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wagnerrp:

oh, and that includes a custom designed bluetooth keyboard with integrated trackpad

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sphery:

I thought if you had an atom, that's all you needed... you mean you still need hard drives and such?

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iamlindoro:

What a joke

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sphery:

might as well just use a laptop for a cell phone

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iamlindoro:

anyone who knows anything at all about manufacturing a product knows that $2000 won't even pay for specifying the parts for the keyboard, let alone designing one, designing the Myth box, specifying the myth box, modifying MythTV to be bulletproof for a single locale, etc.

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sphery:

yeah, manufacturing a product put Openmoko out of business--and they had a /lot/ of money from FIC and from pre-orders, etc.

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sphery:

still wasn't enough money, though

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iamlindoro:

I'd even go so far as saying you couldn't even finish investigational work to *start* specifying the keyboard, let alone doing so, for $2K

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iamlindoro:

You'd spend $2K in salary just to pay someone to investigate who the viable keyboard suppliers would be

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sphery:

so, speaking of using a laptop for a cell phone, did anyone actually understand what point that was supposed to make?

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sphery:

was he saying that only Atoms can be small?

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iamlindoro:

I believe he was saying the people suggesting a "real" PC were the laptop + headphones people, and the atom = sleek mobile phone

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wagnerrp:

is this something from that 'trimslice' thread?

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sphery:

yeah, Mark Lord's response to you

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sphery:

yeah, I get that a "real PC" was laptop + headphone, but don't know what about the idea of laptop + headphone is like using a real PC

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sphery:

since he's saying that laptop + headphone is not a good replacement for a cellphone

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sphery:

presumably he's saying a real pc is not a good replacement for an atom

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sphery:

but didn't say why

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iamlindoro:

presumably because he expects it to be big and clunky

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iamlindoro:

which is silly, because for Atom prices you can have small, lower power, and quiet

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iamlindoro:

and for even less, you can hide it in the cabinet below the TV or through the wall

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iamlindoro:

But as ever, that argument falls on deaf ears

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: have you heard anyting new latly about the Hang/Deadlock problem with myth ?

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iamlindoro:

What is also disingenuous is claiming the Atom is "fine" for transcode and commflag, when in reality it can really only manage that for SD content

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k: There is no hang/deadlock problem

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iamlindoro:

there is a "people running CentOS" problem

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Which is in some way broken in a way unseen on any other distro

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sphery:

yeah, that makes sense... so it's the "only atom can be small" or "only atom can be quiet" argument

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iamlindoro:

The ticket with the CentOS problem should really be summarily closed as it's not present under any other distro-- someone who desperately wants to use CentOS can track it down

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: wierd.. ok, can you suggest an alternative distro ?

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iamlindoro:

Fedora, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Linux Mint, or "anything but CentOS"

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darkdrgn2k3:

i run fedora now but i cant stand the constant updates to it.... i want somethign with a longer shelf life :-P

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iamlindoro:

o don't update

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iamlindoro:

er so

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iamlindoro:

Turn off updates, turn off update notifications, and use your mythbox

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darkdrgn2k3:

sorry upgrades..

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iamlindoro:

so don't upgrade

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darkdrgn2k3:

but the packages are out of date so i cant compile anymore :(

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iamlindoro:

Which is the problem with CentOS

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sphery:

Windows is generally stable for a few years between releases...

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iamlindoro:

and the reason we tell people to avoid it like the plague

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sphery:

(GNU/Linux is a moving target :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

but fedora needs upgrades... LOL

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iamlindoro:

And so does CentOS

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok ...

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iamlindoro:

the last version of CentOS needed painful third party repository upgrades for THREE YEARS to run mythtv .22 and higher

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sphery:

and besides, a lot of people are saying current centos has all sorts of problems with socket issues

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sphery:

(thread on list)

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darkdrgn2k3:

i hate goign ubuntu though.. its to "easy"

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sphery:

you want easy, but ubuntu is too easy?

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: didnt say i want it easy

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: problem in ubuntu imo is that it does black maginc in the background and you have to come back and fix it..

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iamlindoro:

If you don't want it easy, then dig in and figure out what's wrong with CentOS that it breaks MythTV

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL... maybe i should look at ubuntu then :(

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darkdrgn2k3:

whats repo system does mint use?

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sphery:

I thought the longer shelf life request meant you wanted it to be easier than chasing constant upgrades/updates

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sphery:

TTBOMK, there is no repo /for/ Mint

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: dont want to be constantly rebuilding all 3 of my machines

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sphery:

you get what revision they package with the release of Mint

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darkdrgn2k3:

ahh

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sphery:

but if you know what you're doing, you can enable mythbuntu repos on it

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darkdrgn2k3:

dam.. ubuntu it is

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darkdrgn2k3:

worth going debian over ubuntu?

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darkdrgn2k3:

or stick with ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

What would be the point of using debian?

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darkdrgn2k3:

lesss baggage?

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iamlindoro:

the point of debian is to avoid all potential patent issues

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iamlindoro:

so to use debian, you need to break debian

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sphery:

and if you want to do the community a favor, you could help the mythbuntu devs come up with a good way to map Mint versions to Ubuntu versions so they can make an auto-enable-mythbuntu-repos-for-mint page

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iamlindoro:

debian is not "less baggage"

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sphery:

+1 on not using Debian

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darkdrgn2k3:

kk

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PSU:

wagnerrp: here is the log from mythbackend when i changed to the channel that locks up – http://pastebin.com/YdHihqcP

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sphery:

Debian is a philosophy more than a distro, and to run MythTV, you have to bend or break much of that philosophy

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darkdrgn2k3:

sorry been out of the distro convos for a while ... dam windows side stole me :(

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darkdrgn2k3:

so im really looking at fedora or ubuntu then

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sphery:

and if you succeed at getting MythTV running properly on Debian, when you're done, you've basically turned Debian into Ubuntu the hard way

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: thanx for the warning :)

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sphery:

or Mint--and then helping with the translation between mint and ubuntu version numbers

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sphery:

(one day I /will/ convince some Mint user to help with that... :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL maybe when i have more time

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darkdrgn2k3:

i just knwo RPM packages so well.. apt seems so forign to me :(

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sphery:

in theory, it should be quick and easy for someone who knows Mint... So, really, it's best if I find someone who does know Mint

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sphery:

but it would be great if I could just point Mint users to something like http://mythbuntu.org/repos/mint

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darkdrgn2k3:

whats the diff between ubuntu server and desktop?

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sphery:

and it automatically enables the repos and gets them set up to use good builds of mythtv -fixes branch

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iamlindoro:

one will allow you to successfully run MythTV, the other won't

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darkdrgn2k3:

so desktop it is :)

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iamlindoro:

seriously, don't try to be a linux guru

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k3: might want to just start with mythbuntu...

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iamlindoro:

just use ubuntu, and use mythbuntu packages, which do mythTV, do it right, and generally have excellent policies and default configuration

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sphery:

http://mythbuntu.org/ (if you were looking at plain ubuntu page)

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iamlindoro:

or yes, mythbuntu in general

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darkdrgn2k3:

no.. dont like mythbuntu :) i like compiling my own

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darkdrgn2k3:

for one reason or another it always seems i need to comple my own :-S

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iamlindoro:

It is the view in MythTV devs that Mythbuntu and LinHES are the "right" way to get an appliance-like MythTV configuration

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iamlindoro:

If you're not developing, what is the point in compiling yourself?

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darkdrgn2k3:

cause i ALWAYS end up stubling across some peice of hardware that needs some patches or something..

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iamlindoro:

Such as, in MythTV?

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darkdrgn2k3:

such as getting audio to work over HDMI using a M3N78-VM

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iamlindoro:

What does that have to do with MythTV?

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darkdrgn2k3:

or patching my DVB-S card's drivers because the voltage was wrong

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iamlindoro:

What does that have to do with MythTV?

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iamlindoro:

Neither of those things requires compiling MythTV

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darkdrgn2k3:

with pre-built repos and such i find it hard to navigate

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darkdrgn2k3:

....maybe im just being scared of it i dont know...

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iamlindoro:

There is nothing stopping you running Mythbuntu and their excellent MythTv packages and compiling your own ALSA, DVB drivers, etc.

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darkdrgn2k3:

k, ill give it ia try

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darkdrgn2k3:

i can install mythbutu as "backend slave" only

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darkdrgn2k3:

to fit onto a 2 gig flash drive :-P ?

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wagnerrp:

not to mention its been like two years since youve needed to compile alsa to get hdmi out on a m3n78-vm

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iamlindoro:

why? You have a broken backend right now

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darkdrgn2k3:

nop

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Pluribus:

Ok, Had a reproducable crash, I have the GDB capture and am trying to figure which subsystem to put it against. Apparently, My USB <-> Serial adapter driver was misbehaving and my external channel changer program NEVER returned as it blocked forever. BE startup didnt care, but recording DID MythSocketThread select returned an error followed shortly by a BE segfault. Thoughts?

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darkdrgn2k3:

i have a working backend right now that boots of a 2 gig flash card :-P

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sphery:

and, really, there's nothing stopping one from using mythbuntu (to set up the /distro/--it's not an application, it's Ubuntu configured for MythTV) and then uninstalling the mythtv packages and compiling MythTV on your own

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sphery:

but there's not really any reason to do that unless you're applying patches to change MythTV source code

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darkdrgn2k3:

you talked me into giveing it a try.. thanx...

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darkdrgn2k3:

im downloading it now :)

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sphery:

good luck

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darkdrgn2k3:

i will..

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darkdrgn2k3:

and thanx!

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wagnerrp:

PSU: AFAIK, you shouldnt be getting those errors on a Prime

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wagnerrp:

since the prime will do all your program filtering on its end, and mythtv will never know anything about it

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wagnerrp:

unless thats some kind of consequence of getting digital data with analog tuning methods

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PSU:

wagnerrp: hmm. it's just one channel. i wonder if i should increase the tuner delay setting.

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PSU:

wagnerrp: looks like that UpdateFilters error is normal – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /321800.html

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grumpyrj:

Hi all. My EIT data only shows an hour or so into the future. My TV shows a week into the future so I'm pretty sure the data is broadcast. The same occurs in mediatomb by the way. Any ideas how I might get more data?

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grumpyrj:

I mean, any ideas how I might get more data from the tuner card (hauppauge DVB-T). I know I can subscribe but if the data is available it would be nice to be able to use it.

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ahhughes:

My PSU is squeeling like a pig :'( would anyone recommend I not buy a seasonic s12II ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151074

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wagnerrp:

season is one of antec's primary manufacturers, they make good stuff

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ahhughes:

sweet, I spend AGES trying to filter all the BS you read on power supplies. That ranked as one that was actually quiet.

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ahhughes:

and reliable and good value.

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wagnerrp:

ive got (what i believe are) several of their units, rebranded as antecs

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wagnerrp:

if you look at seasonic's line and antec's line, they look strikingly similar

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ahhughes:

I was looking at two antec ones also. The Neo XXX something or rather and the EarthEco or something. There were a few claims that the neo ones did not have variable fan speed

[04:23:34]

ahhughes:

seasonic had HEAPS of good reviews.

[04:23:35]

wagnerrp:

why would that matter?

[04:23:49]

ahhughes:

they run flat out (noisey)

[04:24:02]

wagnerrp:

they run flat out, sure... but that doesnt mean theyre noisy

[04:24:19]

wagnerrp:

ive got an aging neo500 in my desktop that is effectively silent

[04:24:19]

ahhughes:

doesn't mean they are as quiet as they could be tho

[04:24:32]

ahhughes:

hmmm, thats what I was looking at :)

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wagnerrp:

i can stick my ear up next to it and cant hear anything but some wooshing of air

[04:25:04]

wagnerrp:

but what do you need a 500W PSU for anyway?

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ahhughes:

these power supplie's suck, you know its all about a 50c fan dying most the time :'(

[04:25:16]

ahhughes:

430W

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wagnerrp:

but what do you need a 430W PSU for anyway?

[04:25:54]

wagnerrp:

unless youre stuff a bunch of hard drives, or a high end GPU in there, youre not going to use that much power

[04:26:37]

ahhughes:

thats the smallest one my local shop stocks

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wagnerrp:

you should complain to them

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ahhughes:

they would say "Get out my shop" haaahaha

[04:27:56]

ahhughes:

like the soup nazi in seinfeld

[04:28:09]

wagnerrp:

a midrange PC with integrated graphics will top out at 80–100W

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grumpyrj:

no soup for you!

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wagnerrp:

80Plus ratings do not cover anything below 20% load

[04:28:59]

wagnerrp:

meaning nearly the entire operation range of a midrange PC is below the level at which they bother rating that PSU

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ahhughes:

whats a good psu in your book then wagnerrp ?

[04:29:52]

sphery:

ahhughes: there's a nice 80 plus for $39.99 – $10 MIR and you'll get a $15 newegg gift certificate after buying it

[04:30:01]

grumpyrj:

I've found enermax to be good.

[04:30:04]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

[04:30:11]

wagnerrp:

sphery: see the .au address on his signon

[04:30:12]

sphery:

IMHO, 80 PLUS or nothing

[04:30:20]

sphery:

ah, that won't work for you, then

[04:30:50]

** sphery just bought a $14.99-after-discounts PSU, today **

[04:31:19]

ahhughes:

you have that one sphery ?

[04:31:32]

sphery:

I actually do have one of them already, but ordered another today

[04:31:50]

ahhughes:

quiet?

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sphery:

it's overkill for my mythtv systems, but it's a nice psu

[04:32:07]

sphery:

let me see if i can find it

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sphery:

ok, seems I have a 400W one (and it's actually on this PC)... I /think/ it's quiet, but the CPU fan isn't, so it's hard to tell

[04:34:06]

ahhughes:

ahhh kewl :)

[04:34:12]

sphery:

the page says, "Silent, Efficient Cooling", though so... ;)

[04:34:36]

sphery:

I do buy based on price, though, not sound or anything

[04:35:59]

grumpyrj:

so this EIT thing is weird. My TV is disconnected from the network but continues to show 1 week of program data into the future. Any ideas why I can't get my DVB-T card to get that same data?

[04:36:27]

grumpyrj:

Actually does anyone happen to know if mythtv and mediatomb share the same EIT grabbing code/library?

[04:36:32]

wagnerrp:

you have EIT disabled?

[04:36:54]

grumpyrj:

no, EIT works but only shows a few hours of data into the future but my TV gets an entire week.

[04:36:54]

wagnerrp:

EIT and XMLTV data should not be mixed

[04:37:09]

wagnerrp:

oh, dont know about that

[04:39:37]

sphery:

where in the world?

[04:39:56]

sphery:

if in the US, does your TV or remote have a "TV Guide" sticker/logo/... on it?

[04:40:02]

sphery:

if so, it's encrypted guide data

[04:40:23]

sphery:

ah, wait, DVB-T... don't know about that

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grumpyrj:

np

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grumpyrj:

it's not encrypted as my DVB-T can get the data, but only for an hour or so into the future. I wonder if there is some artificial limit in the code (odd) or perhaps a limit in my card.

[04:42:21]

grumpyrj:

New Zealand btw

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kisak:

evening, I just witnessed my mythbackend inflating to 7GB ram usage then it got killed by the kernel (out of memory) I am running mythtv 0.25 from 2011-11–29 (current gentoo ebuild)

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wagnerrp:

generate a newer ebuild and see if it still happens

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darkdrgn2k3:

any one know if the 1446 are the same drivers?

[04:45:16]

darkdrgn2k3:

as the 1212

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sphery:

yeah, here in the us, TV Guide partnered with some tv vendors to put the electronics inside TVs to read TV Guide's encrypted listings from cable company signals, etc.

[04:45:33]

sphery:

thought that might be what you were seeing

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darkdrgn2k3:

"If dmesg only shows "registered new interface driver hdpvr" and no /dev/video# device has been created, you probably have a newer device than your kernel module supports.

[04:46:37]

darkdrgn2k3:

" ?

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KungFuJesus:

Hello, is it possible for one backend to save to a storage group on a different slave backend?

[04:47:27]

KungFuJesus:

or for a slave backend to record to a master backend's storage?

[04:47:27]

kisak:

wagnerrp: happen to know if there has been a protocol version bump in this month?

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darkdrgn2k3:

KungFuJesus: i just use NFS for that :-P

[04:48:09]

KungFuJesus:

while I may do that, I'm wondering if mythtv will allow for it without NFS

[04:49:07]

KungFuJesus:

not a big deal to turn the master backend into an NFS server but I'd rather not. Plus the concept of write anywhere storage is kind of cool

[04:49:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

KungFuJesus: yeh, the way i see it is if myth fails nfs doesn

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wagnerrp:

kisak: i believe there has been

[04:50:10]

wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: backends need direct file access to record to

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wagnerrp:

they cannot record over mythproto

[04:50:29]

KungFuJesus:

ah that clarifies things quite a bit

[04:50:35]

grumpyrj:

sphery: yeah, that happens with sat. Perhaps it's true for terrestrial as well?

[04:50:37]

KungFuJesus:

I see a potential pitfall when using NFS, then

[04:50:52]

darkdrgn2k3:

which is?

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KungFuJesus:

if you NFS mount something which is already a storage group on another backend is it possible to have the same item twice?

[04:51:16]

KungFuJesus:

well, there has to be a corresponding db entry for it I guess

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darkdrgn2k3:

KungFuJesus: depends WHERE you mount it....

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sphery:

grumpyrj: not sure... would depend on your local broadcasters/laws

[04:51:42]

grumpyrj:

mmm yeah

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: all storage groups should be defined on your master backend

[04:51:54]

wagnerrp:

the slave backends will use the paths defined on the master

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KungFuJesus:

so it can record to remote storage?

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darkdrgn2k3:

<wagnerrp> they cannot record over mythproto

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wagnerrp:

no, it uses the paths defined on the master

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KungFuJesus:

ah, so the master backend holds backend specific paths for each backend as a "storage group"?

[04:53:29]

sphery:

storage group is simply a list of directories

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KungFuJesus:

they way I thought it worked was it stored it in the master backend's database

[04:53:40]

sphery:

the group is defined on the master backend

[04:53:46]

sphery:

and applies to all backends...

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sphery:

you can override the list for specific remote backends, but there are very few reasons to do so

[04:54:07]

sphery:

(and even fewer good reasons to do so)

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KungFuJesus:

then why is it my default directories /myth and /myth2 didn't show up on the slave backend's mythtv-setup dialogs?

[04:54:54]

PSU:

sphery / wagnerrp: looks like i receive that "video frame buffering failed too many times" error msg on 2 HD channels (out of ~50 that i tested). do you have any further suggestions? do you think i need to change a timeout setting, or is this a Comcast issue?

[04:54:57]

darkdrgn2k3:

KungFuJesus: becuase your configuring hte SLAVE at that point?

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wagnerrp:

because they were defined on the master, not the slave

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KungFuJesus:

so how does it apply to all backends is my question

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sphery:

PSU: no idea, could be any of a number of things

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KungFuJesus:

specifically the lack of a default storage group on my slave backends actually caused weird SQL timeouts

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: because on a slave/remote backend, you're only saying, "don't use the one defined on the master"

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: and our UI doesn't show you what's defined on the master, except on the master

[04:56:30]

sphery:

because you can't change what's defined on the master, except on the master

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sphery:

and we didn't have much capability with the old, qt-based settings UI

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darkdrgn2k3:

because the config you made on the matser have a differnt hostname then on the salve

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KungFuJesus:

so it is just a database entry that is specific to the host config

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sphery:

so it was difficult to show much and still prevent you from changing things and all

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KungFuJesus:

yeah ok it works how I thought it did

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sphery:

the point it is should /not/ be host specific

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sphery:

meaning you should /not/ define overrides on slaves

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sphery:

you should define one single "meta list" of /all/ directories used on /all/ hosts inside master backend's mythtv-setup

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sphery:

then all slaves inherit that list

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KungFuJesus:

I had to for whatever reason. If I didn't it'd just give me floods of SQL timeouts and really long delays before loading data

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sphery:

and when you need to change that list, you know where to go (mythtv-setup on master backend)

[04:59:02]

sphery:

and you never have to worry about how you /must/ delete overridden storage groups before decommissioning a slave backend

[04:59:39]

sphery:

and you never have problems where you have the proper list defined on 3 of 4 backends and "for some reason a bunch of recordings are failing, and I haven't found a pattern to it"

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sphery:

and, btw, there's no possible way missing storage group override or directory list or ... could result in SQL timeouts/errors of any sort

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KungFuJesus:

ok so how in the mythtv-setup for the master backend would I define a storage group for one of the slave backends?

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wagnerrp:

the same way you define a storage group for the master backend

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sphery:

you define a storage group for all backends

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wagnerrp:

you dont define it for any machine in particular

[05:01:22]

wagnerrp:

you just define it, and they all will use it

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sphery:

storage groups are not host-specific

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KungFuJesus:

so if I say /myth there should be a /myth directory present on all slave backends?

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sphery:

if they were, when you said "record to SGThatIsOnlyOnSlaveBackend", it would imply the slave backend would record, but that's not the case

[05:02:01]

sphery:

SG's exist on all backends

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sphery:

and if none of the directories from a target SG exist on a backend, it will fall back to the directory list of Default SG, then it falls back to hard-coded paths

[05:02:52]

sphery:

directories need not exist on any of the backends

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: there should be one present on all backends for which you want to record to that path

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sphery:

if the directory doesn't exist, it's ignored

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KungFuJesus:

because here is my backend's log, this is the error I was being flooded with

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sphery:

you must have at least one directory on each backend in existence from any of your SGs, though, or MythTV will fail

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KungFuJesus:

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/526715/

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sphery:

the 2011-12–27 13:07:54.416 MythSocket(7f797c15f3e0:34): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

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sphery:

errors?

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KungFuJesus:

yep

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KungFuJesus:

adding overrides to a storage group which will never really be written to on the slave backends actually fixed the problem

[05:06:34]

KungFuJesus:

I guess I'm just kind of confused by what is implicit with the backend setup

[05:06:44]

sphery:

no, something else "fixed" (or, more likely), worked around the problem

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sphery:

socket errors are network communication problems

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sphery:

likely it was just a small change in timing that resulted in fewer failures

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KungFuJesus:

so if I say /myth /myth2 /myth3 for 3 different directories to the default storage group, each slave backend will look for those three directories on their own localhost?

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sphery:

or something else changed that had an effect

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: yes... and if any of them don't exist, they will be ignored

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: however, do not use /myth* as a directory in a storage group

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KungFuJesus:

well none of them existed on any of the backends

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sphery:

assuming that you actually have a different file system for mythtv recordings, you would have to mount that file system on a mount point

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sphery:

that mount point would be /myth

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KungFuJesus:

but until I fixed that, it'd take about 20 seconds to display the recordings menu, after overriding the storage groups per backend it took 2 seconds

[05:09:12]

sphery:

if a mount fails, /myth still exists, but it's /not/ the proper directory to which MythTV should be writing--it's the mount point on the parent file system (root file system)

[05:09:32]

sphery:

and, when MythTV fills up your root file system because it was doing what you said, Bad Things happen

[05:09:57]

sphery:

therefore, never use the root of a file system for your MythTV Storage Group directories... Always use subdirectories

[05:10:06]

sphery:

so, /myth/tv or /myth/recordings or ...

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sphery:

then mount the file system to /myth, and if the mount fails, /myth/recordings doesn't exist, so MythTV ignores that directory

[05:10:47]

KungFuJesus:

right, but on the other systems /myth and /myth2 do not exist

[05:10:51]

KungFuJesus:

the directories, that is

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sphery:

that's fine

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sphery:

my point is if you use a root directory of a file system, MythTV can't possibly know if the file system is mounted

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sphery:

if you use a subdirectory within a file system, and that file system is mounted, the directory within the file system doesn't exist, so MythTV doesn't attempt to use the file system

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sphery:

i.e. it's a fail safe for when you have problems

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KungFuJesus:

I'm still not convinced it was coincidence overriding the storage groups made the timeouts go away

[05:13:10]

KungFuJesus:

the timeouts were consistently there beforehand and consistently not there beforehand

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KungFuJesus:

the mailing list post which led me to believe this was the cause was this: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /052612.html

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sphery:

well, he's wrong

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KungFuJesus:

I've update and recycled this config since the .19 days, btw, so my config may be different than an out of the box myth install

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sphery:

something else is changing

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sphery:

again, my best guess is that you're changing timing, so it's making network issues less likely

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KungFuJesus:

well could you give me a SQL query to confirm that the slave backends are in fact pulling in the master's storage groups?

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sphery:

/or/ you have a broken configuration with an invalid encoderlink

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sphery:

causing failure to communicate properly

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KungFuJesus:

only encoders atm are on the master backend, PCHDTV cards

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sphery:

(i.e. you could get problems with misconfigured systems without any backend setup--i.e. without tuners defined and such)

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KungFuJesus:

I don't have tuners defined on the slave backends, I didn't think that was necessary to be a backend

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sphery:

yep

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KungFuJesus:

as a matter of fact I think the frontend only config wasn't supported anymore

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sphery:

there's no support at all for tunerless backends

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sphery:

so any system that is a backend must have at least one tuner defined or things won't work properly

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KungFuJesus:

gah, well how are you supposed to setup a frontend machine now?

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sphery:

why would you even run a slave backend without tuners?

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KungFuJesus:

I want to reap the benefits of another commercial flagging machine without tuners

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sphery:

the only thing a slave backend does if it has no tuners is run job queue

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sphery:

in which case, you /should/ be running mythjobqueue

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sphery:

1/10 the RAM, 100% the functionality

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KungFuJesus:

and I want to be able to stream from the master backend

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sphery:

frontend streams from the master backend

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sphery:

backends stream /to/ things

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KungFuJesus:

right, but last I checked the frontend only configuration wasn't supported by mythtv anymore, and I was told to make the machine a master backend

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sphery:

seriously, a slave backend with no tuners shuts down everything except the job queue--meaning you should just run mythjobqueue

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KungFuJesus:

err slave backend*

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sphery:

frontend only install isn't supported

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sphery:

we only support installing everything

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KungFuJesus:

gahhhhh :(

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sphery:

but then you just choose to not run mythbackend

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sphery:

re: mythjobqueue -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347829#347829

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sphery:

mythbackend: 256504K (256MB RAM) vs mythjobqueue: 26816K (27MB RAM)

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KungFuJesus:

hmmm, so you're saying I can just run the frontend directly with the backend being the master backend

[05:23:48]

KungFuJesus:

I swear I remember reading that doesn't work right anymore

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KungFuJesus:

all this aside, if I do setup a slave backend with a tuner, and that machine is unavailable, will the other frontends simply not show the recordings from that backend under watch recordings?

[05:25:45]

darkdrgn2k3:

any comments on running XBMC as a frontend for myth?

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KungFuJesus:

I'm wondering how removable that leg is once it's added. I have considered for a while now adding more slave backends with actual tuners

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: when you have remote backends and one or more remote backends is not running, the backend's recordings will be listed, but when you attempt to play them, you will get an error that the recording couldn't be found

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: and to configure a mythjobqueue host, you simply run mythtv-setup and set it up as if it were a backend--but without configuring Capture Cards and Input Connections--i.e. as if it were a "tunerless" backend

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: meaning if you later decide to run mythbackend, you simply define capture cards and input connections and then start the other program

[05:41:40]

sphery:

(mythbackend instead of mythjobqueue)... i.e. there's no difference between a mythjobqueue host and a tunerless backend except in memory usage and the fact that only one of them is a supported configuration

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sphery:

so no "removable leg" to remove or anything

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sphery:

it's just a matter of running the right program (as both are installed, anyway)

[05:43:08]

sphery:

and, yes, you run mythbackend on the master backend, then run mythfrontend on any number of hosts... and run mythjobqueue on any hosts that you want to help with running jobs (commflagging and/or transcoding)

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sphery:

and, yes, a mythjobqueue host can commflag a recording that's streamed from the master backend (i.e. mythjobqueue hosts do not need "local" access to the recording file system for commflagging--no NFS/CIFS required)

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sphery:

only transcoding requires local file system access (so just set up the job queue hosts to allow commflag and not allow transcode jobs)

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KungFuJesus:

ah cool so most of the work is already done

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KungFuJesus:

I shall attempt such things soon

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Pluribus:

Dang, Beirdo, 3 hours from bug report to commit of fix... That IS impressive.

[06:58:51]

Pluribus:

Thank you for the insanely quick response.

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sphery:

and he only noticed the ticket and hour and a half ago

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Beirdo:

heh, no problem. That SHOULD fix it.

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Beirdo:

took a bit to figure out how it could possibly happen :)

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Pluribus:

I will see if I can get my serial adapter to go whacky again so I can reproduce it :-) to test the fix...

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Beirdo:

cool

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dekarl2:

grumpyrj: likely your TV is parsing the epg from the MHEG data and MythTV is only using the EIT data. there are scripts to pull the MHEG data in xmltv format and feed it back into MythTV. (see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeview_%28Aust . . . 29_-_phase_2 )

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Pluribus:

Yeah, that type of bug can be a pain to find because if everything is working it wont ever happen :-)

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Pluribus:

Thanks again

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dekarl2:

sorry, wrong link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeview_%28New_ . . . _of_channels

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Beirdo:

no problem, and thanks for the back trace :)

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Beirdo:

Go, MS.

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Beirdo:

Vista said it needed 18 updates... then it said "18 not needed"

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Beirdo:

uh huh

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Beirdo:

You know what sucks?

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Pluribus:

It still wants a reboot?

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Beirdo:

Beavis and Butthead is the most intelligent show on MTV

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Beirdo:

surprisingly, no

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Pluribus:

LOL, that is bad.

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prologic:

hey guys

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Beirdo:

and now it says.. it needs 18 updates

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Beirdo:

BAH

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: more so than aeon flux?

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Beirdo:

and now it's installing them

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Beirdo:

well, they are constantly mocking current MTV shows

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wagnerrp:

current? i thought B&B was canned like 15 years ago

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Beirdo:

current, yes

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Beirdo:

it's back on the air

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Beirdo:

Mike Judge got bored, I guess

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wagnerrp:

hes ecuadoran?

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wagnerrp:

... sure looks it

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

Well, at least you know he'll never be president

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prologic:

any of you guys know much about writing myth frontend plugins in python?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

first, youll need to start by writing a python interpreter into mythfrontend to allow you to write plugins in python

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wagnerrp:

:)

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prologic:

umm say what?

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prologic:

there are python bindings no?

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prologic:

I have them installed in fact :)

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wagnerrp:

yes, and?

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prologic:

or does this give me access to the backend stuff only?

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Beirdo:

I see Jimmy Wales is still begging for money.

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** prologic reading the wiki page now **

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wagnerrp:

a 'plugin' is a chunk of code loaded into an existing application, to add new internal functionality

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv python bindings are to allow you to write external tools that can communicate with mythtv

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prologic:

the mythtv backend

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prologic:

yeah I can see that from reading the wiki page on the bindings

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wagnerrp:

you can make external addons, but you cannot make plugins

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prologic:

kk that's fine

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prologic:

it would probably be easier to just integrate some external gui/app into the mythtv menu right?

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wagnerrp:

the closest you can get to a plugin without writing actual C++ code is modifying the menu XML

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prologic:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

what do you intend to do?

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prologic:

http://mackers.com/320-mythmpd

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wagnerrp:

if you explain it, i may be able to give you some sensible recommendations

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prologic:

get something like this on my frontend

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prologic:

frontend(s)

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prologic:

I'm far too rusty at C/C++, but I am tempted to get that working

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wagnerrp:

so you want a frontend interface to control a remote music daemon?

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prologic:

sure do

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wagnerrp:

huh... david mcnamara...

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prologic:

know him? :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any relation?

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prologic:

haha

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prologic:

anyway, nothing against mythmusic, I'm just so used to mpd and kinda prefer it :)

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wagnerrp:

easiest thing to do would be to restart mythmpd using the old code base

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prologic:

the link I posted above?

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wagnerrp:

more difficult thing to do would be to get your hands on a copy of the mythmusic rewrite

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prologic:

yeah that's what I'm thinking

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wagnerrp:

!seen paulh

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MythLogBot:

paulh was last seen 1036 days 7 hours 53 minutes 20 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen paulh_

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MythLogBot:

paulh_ was last seen 1038 days 8 hours 13 minutes 48 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen paul_h

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MythLogBot:

paul_h has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

well that cant be right...

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prologic:

who's paulh?

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prologic:

and what'w this mythmusic rewrite?

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wagnerrp:

something that has been several years coming

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prologic:

anything so different from the current mythmusic?

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wagnerrp:

no one knows

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prologic:

if it's been that many years, let's just resurrect mythmpd and make mythtv depenend on mpd :)

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prologic:

anyway I'll try to get mythmpd working against my mythtv 0.24.1 install

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

not really sure where to go from here :)

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prologic:

it wants qt3

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wagnerrp:

then it will need to be forward ported

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prologic:

got the 0.24 branch on github compiled and installed

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prologic:

I'll report back with results :)

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prologic:

ok there's no main menu item to launch

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prologic:

the author seems to add a jumpt point and launch it from a remote

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prologic:

but as I use an apple tv remote, I'll need to figure out how to get it a new menu item :)

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wagnerrp:

thats simple, edit the menu xml

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prologic:

can I not just edit /usr/share/mythtv/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml itself ?

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wagnerrp:

you can, better to stuff one into ~/.mythtv/

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prologic:

what am I copying specificalyl?

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wagnerrp:

the mainmenu.xml

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wagnerrp:

not quite sure where you put it

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prologic:

into ~/.mythtv/ ?

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wagnerrp:

its somewhere in ~/.mythtv/

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prologic:

me neither :)

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prologic:

k that worked

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grumpyrj:

I'm running "mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 /home/rj/xmltv.xml" tobypass the grabbers so I get extended program info but I'm not seeing any new program info in the program guide. Any idea what I'm missing?

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grumpyrj:

There is heaps of program info in the file xmltv.xml

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prologic:

wagnerrp, hmm okay

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prologic:

mythmpd works – well enough

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prologic:

few ui issues though and a few key/button issues

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prologic:

I think with a little polishing it could be good :)

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Beirdo:

that's what she said

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Beirdo:

Hmm, this could be bad

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Beirdo:

I might almost run out of jeans to cut up, I hope I have enough to finish

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Beirdo:

nothing that can't wait until tomorrow. Bedtime

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prologic:

hey how come the <description>...</description> field in the menus don't show up anywhere on screen?

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toeb:

prologic: I 'think this depend on the theme you use

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prologic:

ahh k

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prologic:

as I'm using the the mythcenter wide theme

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prologic:

maybe that's why

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toeb:

don't know about mythcenter but according to the wiki it is optional to display the description

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prologic:

oh?

[10:12:16]

prologic:

hmm

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toeb:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu-ui.xml

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

how do you configure theme chooser to work?

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prologic:

to download from themes.mythtv.org

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prologic:

nevermind :)

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prologic:

M

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prologic:

Is the Vision 3D 137B found here: http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Models suitable for a mythtv backend+frontend at all?

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prologic:

I imagine you'd have to use a USB tuner – any recommended?

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dekarl-too:

grumpyrj: you did set the xmltvids in the channel editor and turn off the on-air-guide on these channels?

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prologic:

hey dvd importing/ripping was removed in 0.24

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prologic:

has it been replaced by something else?

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prologic:

what do you guys do (if anything)?

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dekarl-too:

prologic: I've used vobcopy (has issues with discontinuities in the clock) and makemkv, but you can use mythffmpeg directly or anything else that rips a disk to some file

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prologic:

thanks I'll try those out

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EvilGuru:

Is it just me or have the radio times stopped giving out star ratings for films?

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Culiforge:

what could be causing var/lib/mythtv/videos/ to not properly recognize iso for playback?

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dekarl-too:

EvilGuru: the star ratings are gone for everyone, see e.g. http://groups.google.com/group/atlasapi/brows . . . b91db06badb5

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rockhound:

Culiforge: are you using storage groups with mythvideo?

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Culiforge:

yes

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dekarl-too:

EvilGuru: of course you can postprocess your feed with tv_imdb, but I don't know if that's worth it, as metabroadcast wants to bring back the star ratings next year

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Culiforge:

but I could have it setup incorrectly, i'm not sure

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rockhound:

have you gone through this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library ?

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EvilGuru:

dekarl-too: I can live withoutt it, but was just interested what caused it

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Culiforge:

yes, I'd like to say I scoured the entire wiki but I could have missed something

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rockhound:

okay … is the ISO unencrypted?

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rockhound:

means decssed?

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Culiforge:

I belive so, lemme check.... I can play it from the desktop outside of myth

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aberrios:

anyone running 0.25 in a stable manner?

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dekarl-too:

EvilGuru: see http://www.radiotimes.com/blog/2011-12-12/cha . . . l-tv-service and http://metabroadcast.com/blog/providing-the-r . . . d-from-atlas the generation of the feed been completely rebuild

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EvilGuru:

That is actually very good news

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rockhound:

aberrios: I would recommend to not use it on a production system (means family wellbeing depends on it) … works pretty stable for me

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EvilGuru:

As I was half expecting RT to ditch XMLTV soon on account of the recent change of ownership

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rockhound:

Culiforge: dump it through handbrake (http://handbrake.fr) ...

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Culiforge:

ok, i'll try that. gimme a min to install it

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Culiforge:

I get a 404 when apt the ppa repo for handbrake...

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rockhound:

Culiforge: shrug

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Culiforge:

getting the deb instead

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rockhound:

if you are on 11.04 then you need libnotify from debian repros

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Culiforge:

seeing that now

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prologic:

http://delx.net.au/blog/2011/12/hulu-and-pand . . . comment-1309

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prologic:

I just got hulu working on my PC at home :)

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prologic:

now I'm wondering whether I should pay for it

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prologic:

then get it working on my mythtv backend/frontend

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Culiforge:

there's no handbrake release for oneric and if I'm correct.... the natty pkg won't install without the natty ver of libnotify.. is it safe to back down my oneric libnotify to the natty libnotify?

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Vollstrecker_:

-hey guys, I'm back and still having problems getting the coverart downloaded. From the verbose-logs it seems that the download over my proxy fails. SG for the pics is set to /pic which has been created for testing with 777 mode, so perms shouldn't be the prob.

[15:21:14]

Vollstrecker_:

What I can get from the logs is: http://pastebin.ca/2096989

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Vollstrecker_:

This is from the frontend, backend doesn't seem to tell me anything about downloads.

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Vollstrecker_:

wget for the url works and mythfildatabase with xmltv gives me shedules and that stuff, too. So I'm almost sure network is working.

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squaregoldfish:

It's an FAQ! Where can I get an updated channel frequency list for post-DSO transmitters? Specifically uk-Tacolneston

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Vollstrecker_:

?

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darkdrgn3k:

morning all

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darkdrgn3k:

where is mythweb? donmt see it in plugins anymore

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iamlindoro:

Didn't take you long to give up on packages

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iamlindoro:

You're right-- it's not in the mythplugins repository any more, it's in its own

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darkdrgn3k:

iamlindoro: i didnt wanna play with somethign unknown at the moment, havent given up just have no time to really go that route.. i just reinstalled fedora 16 for now....

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Vollstrecker_:

wiki-page for Ttvdb.py tells me, I would find the settings under Utilities/Setup|Setup|Media Settings|Videos Settings|General Settings on page 8/8. But this settings have only 4 pages.

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iamlindoro:

There are no settings for ttvdb.py

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Vollstrecker_:

k, If the settings aren't reachable (not needed), how can I find out, what goes wrong at immage download.

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darkdrgn3k:

hey who is mainting the HD PVR drivers?

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iamlindoro:

The v4l project

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devinheitmueller:

darkdrgn3k: what is the issue?

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darkdrgn3k:

not 100% sure yet, might be because of old drivers but i got a new HDPVR and its not yeilding a video0

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darkdrgn3k:

read somewhere its because its "too new"

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devinheitmueller:

darkdrgn3k: it's probably the USB ID not being in the driver you have.

[16:06:54]

devinheitmueller:

There were updates a few months ago to add new USB IDs, so if your kernel is somewhat older it probably isn't in there.

[16:07:02]

devinheitmueller:

Install the media_build tree and it will probably work.

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darkdrgn3k:

thats what i thought... im acutlay upgrading my fedor to 16 from like 10 LOL... so i figured i'd wait untill tha thappens and see if its still "broken"

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darkdrgn3k:

i got the gaming edition because i like green :-P

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devinheitmueller:

darkdrgn3k: yeah, that's probably it.

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darkdrgn3k:

(and i already have blue)

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darkdrgn3k:

thast what i figured..

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devinheitmueller:

That said, I don't know if the gaming edition actually introduced new USB IDs. You would have to run "lsusb -n" and check against the driver sources.

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Vollstrecker_:

After "Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l de -D 71179 1 7" I get (translated back from german) " Container 'mythvideo' doesn't contain 'coverart' element"

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darkdrgn3k:

devinheitmueller: yeh, i figured that, for noiw let me finish the upgrade and see what happens :-P

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darkdrgn3k:

next project... CEC lol

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devinheitmueller:

ok

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darkdrgn3k:

although i dont have high hopes for CEC on my Sat receiver :(

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Vollstrecker_:

Is this a warning, that this element doesn't contain any data (which is true as it is to be fetched), or is there anything else missing?

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Vollstrecker_:

Dir for Covers etc is set as SG in backend-conf, and dir is existing and (for testing) mode 777 on /

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squaregoldfish:

I can find channels manually using dvb scan tool on the command line with a custom channel frequency table. MythTV can't find any channels. How do I get my channel frequency table into MythTV?

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darkdrgn3k:

%@#%@# is there a problem with mythweb stable right now LOL

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darkdrgn3k:

define.php does nto seem to load

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darkdrgn3k:

infact seems to die at require_once 'includes/db_update.php';

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Vollstrecker_:

Is there a setting for --verbose to see the output of external commands?

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Vollstrecker_:

I see "Metadata Image Download: http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/seasons/71179-1-2.jpg -> myth://Coverart@127.0.0.1:6543/He-Man und Masters of the Universe (2002) Season 1_coverart.jpg" and "DownloadManager: downloadProgress(0, 0) (for reply 144701832)", but I would like to see what exactly is executed in between thes two messages.

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Vollstrecker_:

I checked now, to set image manually from disk, this works. Plotinformations are there, too. So it seems that it's only a problem of download or storage of images.

[17:13:36]

Vollstrecker_:

Backend and Frontend are running as one (really existing) user. All storage-groups for images are set to home of this user and I have 204 GB discspace left. What else could I check.

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EagleIJoe:

Vollstrecker_: any log messages show up?

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Vollstrecker_:

What I can get from the logs is: http://pastebin.ca/2096989

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Vollstrecker_:

I now tried with 10.000 BC instead of series: http://pastebin.ca/2097029

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Vollstrecker_:

After that log frontend just crashed.

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Vollstrecker_:

Log is with -v none,file,extra. Any other settings needed?

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dekarl-too:

Vollstrecker_: you are comparing apples to oranges

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dekarl-too:

when I tried your fist URL http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/seasons/71179-1-2.jpg it didn't work in a browser either (worked now) so its likely unreliable at the moment and the grabber doesnt like that

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Vollstrecker_:

k, so which is the apple, and which the orange, so I maybe can compare them to the right partner.

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dekarl-too:

you are comparing the grabber from thetvdb to grabbing from themoviedb. comparing one series to another would be better

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dekarl-too:

and for the crash a backtrace and version information would be nice

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dekarl-too:

Vollstrecker_: does the test with heman still crash? (now that the site seems to provide a file behind that URL)

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Pluribus:

Ug, Just had another BE crash. Appears unrelated to last nights changes. I need to head out but will upload the GDB traces and file the tracker request once I get back. Best I can figure it is related to the preview generation. (It had just finished recording, got a mysql error, reconnected, spawned the preview generator and gives a backtrace.

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Pluribus:

Either way, Real report when I get back from work.

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Vollstrecker_:

dekarl-too: To be sure I re-added it, and jep, it crashed again.

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Vollstrecker_:

It's 0.24 from debian-multimedia.org

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Vollstrecker_:

http://pastebin.ca/2097041

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dekarl-too:

hmm

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sphery:

Vollstrecker_: we'd need a "real" backtrace (i.e. as at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging ) to do anything more than just guess... Also, if your packagers do the right thing, proper version and revision information should be available from mythfrontend --version .

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cryptide:

anyone here get roku working as frontend before?

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Vollstrecker_:

Version is; http://pastebin.ca/2097044

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Vollstrecker_:

mythfrontend is stripped, and d-m-o doesn't provide -dbg packages. Nice.

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sphery:

and version information has no revision information... Debian packagers really need to talk to Ubuntu packagers to find out how to properly build packages with version info

[18:31:42]

sphery:

anyway, with a complete lack of any details, my first recommendation would be to find current 0.24-fixes (as we have no idea how old yours is, and how many of the >400 bug fixes are in it ... see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes )

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sphery:

Vollstrecker_: it is possible, though, that they embed some revision or date information in the package name you can get from apt or synaptic or whatever it is Debian uses

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Vollstrecker_:

Nice, so why using a packagemanager, I can install from source to be sure.

[18:32:47]

sphery:

in which case, figuring out how far behind current you are would help you figure out how likely it is that you just need to update

[18:33:21]

sphery:

well, packages are a good thing... good packages are a great thing

[18:33:36]

Vollstrecker_:

My guess is, as it only happens at imagedownload, that the external script doesn't like something and returns garbage that isn't handleed properly.

[18:33:45]

sphery:

(where good packages mean they're updated frequently with current -fixes and they have proper revision information)

[18:34:02]

sphery:

my guess is that it's fixed in current 0.24-fixes

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sphery:

there have been several fixes to metadata download, and I don't see others having the same problem recently, so...

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Vollstrecker_:

If you have that much fixes, why don't you release a 0.24.2?

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sphery:

because the releases are really only to help packagers (by allowing them to download a more-recent revision before applying the -fixes updates), and is a lot of work (that means free time we're spending on MythTV that we're not spending to improve MythTV)

[18:36:45]

sphery:

anyway, what does debian call your mythtv packages?

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Vollstrecker_:

0.24.1+fixes20111029–0.0squeeze1

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sphery:

so, that sounds like it's about 2 months old...

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Vollstrecker_:

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:11:25 was the last changelog entry for f2.4-fixes

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sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixes/0.24/ doesn't show any fixes since Oct 29 that are likely to fix that issue

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sphery:

meaning we need a proper backtrace from gdb (required) and, unless you're extremely lucky and the bug is extremely easy to spot, we'd need one with debug symbols

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Vollstrecker_:

Sure, but not today. Before I install a complete dev-env and recompile that whole thing, I'll check what alternatives meeting my needs.

[18:42:25]

sphery:

though this seems like it may be related: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9950

[18:42:30]

sphery:

the fix was put on master, only

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sphery:

Vollstrecker_: if you do decide to compile yourself, you may want to try it without that patch (to verify you can still crash it), then apply that patch--you'll have to manually apply it at line 654 of libs/libmythdb/mythdownloadmanager.cpp --just insert that one +'ed line)

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sphery:

and if that fixes it, please leave a comment for me in here or on #9950 that says you saw the issue on 0.24-fixes and that applying db25a28853 fixed it, and I'll make sure that patch is backported to 0.24-fixes)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: or, if you think that change ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/db25a2885 ) is worth backporting for his crash http://pastebin.ca/2097041 (seemingly when downloading metadata from ttvdb.com?)

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darkdrgn2k:

when starting mythfront end i see

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darkdrgn2k:

Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n

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darkdrgn2k:

shiould i worry?

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sphery:

it's a standard system library ( http://site.icu-project.org/ )

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sphery:

sounds like your packager hasn't properly set up prereq's for the packages or something

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: built from source...

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sphery:

but, in general, if a package was compiled against a lib, you need to have that library available to use the package successfully

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darkdrgn2k:

config never complained about it :)

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sphery:

then your library path or some other system configuration is borked

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darkdrgn2k:

configed, was not installed

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sphery:

since if you compiled the version you're running, it means you have the development headers and libraries on your system

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darkdrgn2k:

libicu-devel.i686 is not installed

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sphery:

what do you mean "configed, was not installed"?

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darkdrgn2k:

i ment ./configure did not complain about missing libs, thats all

[19:37:35]

darkdrgn2k:

soryr

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sphery:

are you running the version you compiled or not?

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sphery:

anyway, ttbomk, we only use Qt's i18n support, so likely your Qt packages are borked (as they probably use icu)

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wagnerrp:

gah

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sphery:

granted, I don't know our i18n stuff that well, so it's possible something else is in there, too... but I'd guess it's used by a lib we use versus used directly by mythtv

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** wagnerrp needs to... "take care of" this Raymond Norton **

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sphery:

(meaning there would be no configuration check)

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darkdrgn2k:

okie good to kniow

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wagnerrp:

i keep seeing mailing list posts by him and thinking, "WTF? when did i send that?"

[19:39:50]

sphery:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

cryptide_: mythtv is not programmed to support whatever video decoding interfaces the Roku offers

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wagnerrp:

so it cannot be used to run mythfrontend

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darkdrgn2k:

what tables contain schedule recordings history (ie stuff that has been already recording and not to be reocrded again)

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: mythfrontend's Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded contains that :)

[19:49:41]

darkdrgn2k:

yes but where in the DATABASE lol

[19:49:48]

darkdrgn2k:

i need to "recover" from a backup

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cryptide_:

wagnerrp: i'm transcoding to h264. Not a real deal front end for sure.

[19:50:22]

sphery:

what do you mean recover from a backup?

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darkdrgn2k:

as in have an backup copy of my databse, and a brand new myth and databaase

[19:50:58]

darkdrgn2k:

i wanted to copy over the tables

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wagnerrp:

cryptide_: what im saying is that mythfrontend cannot run on the roku

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: you can't just copy over random tables

[19:51:35]

wagnerrp:

you could use it as a upnp player

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darkdrgn2k:

i know.. thast why im asking which ones they are :-P so i can see if its possible to "adapt" them

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wagnerrp:

and IIRC, someone wrote a 3rd party channel with slightly better access to information than upnp provides

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: you need to do a full restore (supported, best approach in all cases except when you have a corrupt database) or if you have a corrupt database schema or corrupt data, you can use a partial restore – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[19:52:07]

wagnerrp:

but neither of which are mythtv

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: what exactly are you trying to do? why aren't you just doing a full restore?

[19:53:07]

darkdrgn2k:

becuase theres a bunch of junk in some tables i'd rather not keep.... specificaly the video plugin

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sphery:

and I should probably start by saying there's absolutely no benefit to doing any kind of partial restore... it doesn't clean things ups

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darkdrgn2k:

want to clear out the old configs too

[19:53:36]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: you clear out junk in the video plugin by scanning for content

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wagnerrp:

any files that no longer exist are flushed out of all relevant tables in the database

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: junk in video tables can be cleaned up by simply changing your Videos storage group directory list to point to an empty directory and re-scanning

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cryptide_:

wagnerrp: you have a link to it? I'm piecing together 2 broken implementations

[19:54:23]

wagnerrp:

cryptide_: no off hand, try searching for 'mythroku'

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: yeh, i dont know, im missing covers in mythweb that should be there and some other data in metadata that seems to be wrong

[19:55:14]

darkdrgn2k:

i though a clean database would be the way to go

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sphery:

mythweb's mythvideo support has been broken since 0.22, and shouldn't be used

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sphery:

(and, IIRC, it's been completely removed from unstable/development because it shouldn't be used)

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darkdrgn2k:

that explains that :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

do hdpvr drivers still need to be patched to get blaster working?

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: fine ill just restore..

[19:58:16]

sphery:

You can do a "my database is corrupt, so I'll see if I can get only the non-reproduceable data out of it" partial restore and waste several hours of your time and risk breaking MythTV and/or MythTV data/history (possibly in ways that don't become apparent for months--making it very hard to fix) and--if you're successful--end up with a system that's basically exactly the same as you'd have gotten from a simple full restore, but if you do, ...

[19:58:22]

sphery:

... please use the restore script as it does many important checks before proceeding: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup

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sphery:

and make sure that if you do a full restore, you replace the existing database – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: thank you for talking me out of sucide

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sphery:

then just let mythtv upgrade the database for you

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sphery:

hehe

[20:02:20]

sphery:

in general, the reason we developers are so adamant about users not editing data directly is because a) data integrity constraints are all represented/enforced only in MythTV code (not by the database), b) the values for data in the database may not be obvious to someone who hasn't studied the code and slight (seemingly innocuous) changes to the data may have effects that the user doesn't expect (i.e. starttime may mean something other ...

[20:02:26]

sphery:

... than starttime and such), and c) editing the raw data directly can result in MythTV code failing to work because MythTV expected proper data, and we have plenty of bug reports to deal with even without trying to deal with user-created broken data

[20:02:31]

sphery:

darkdrgn2k: fwiw ^^^

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Shadow__X:

any suggestions on where i can find help on getting component out from a computer working on my hdtv? The issue i have now is that the picture shakes a bit

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sphery:

so it's nothing personal... just dangerous editing raw data--for the same reason you should use MS Word to edit a Word document instead of using a binary editor to edit the raw bytes within that .doc file :)

[20:04:20]

sphery:

Shadow__X: I recommend doing some searching for your model + xorg.conf or modeline or whatever... especially at http://avsforum.com/

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sphery:

(though, IMHO, Google or Bing are much better for searching their site than their site's search, which seems to only find threads where it's mentioned and not take you to the right post--which isn't helpful when it's a 250-page thread)

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Shadow__X:

right ok thanks. Btw component has been annoiying. Especially since everything but the computer looks good over it

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sphery:

yeah, it's tough to get video looking good, anymore, with all the different TV models having different ways of processing the inputs

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sphery:

even to the point that many tvs process signals from various inputs differently

[20:08:09]

sphery:

(applying scaling/overscan to some and scaling/underscan to others and applying deinterlacing to some and ...)

[20:08:50]

sphery:

you end up having to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what your tv model is doing, then work around its design

[20:09:12]

sphery:

fortunately, that's the exact thing that people posting to avsforum love to do

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: naa i get it..... i was hopeing it be an easy move but yej

[20:09:33]

sphery:

darkdrgn2k: hehe, well, on the bright side, a full restore should be the easiest move possible...

[20:09:49]

sphery:

you can clear mythvideo data, as we mentioned earlier

[20:10:17]

darkdrgn2k:

can i drop the settings table without any consequences, or dont touch it?

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sphery:

if you have different capture cards and/or capture card drivers, you should also do a "Delete all capture cards", then re-create capture cards and re-connect inputs (won't affect your channels, so no need to rescan)

[20:10:24]

sphery:

don't touch it...

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darkdrgn2k:

delete all capture cards will remove ALL cap cards across all bes right

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sphery:

some settings in there must be set and are only set on initial creation and/or upgrade

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darkdrgn2k:

riight.. schemas..

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sphery:

right, delete all capture cards does all... delete all capture cards on <hostname> does only the current host's--but you almost definitely don't want that as you need to create cards and connect inputs in order

[20:12:03]

sphery:

where you create cards in reverse-live-tv order (and set the setting "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled recordings") and you connect inputs in order you want them used for recordings

[20:12:30]

sphery:

so if you delete only the cards from current host, it necessarily means that this host's cards would be first used for Live TV and last used for recordings

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: have you heard any feedback with ppl using XBMC as a myth front end?

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k3: I don't know anything about XBMC... Sorry.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is it disturbing that i have that dvd too? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/12/28

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wagnerrp:

oh, scratch that... mine is a mummy, not a vampire

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darkdrgn2k3:

@#$%@#$ damit

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok how can i tell what database schemas where chagnes between 1269 and 1264 :-P

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wagnerrp:

look at the code

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wagnerrp:

mythtv/libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp

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darkdrgn2k3:

can you point

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol nm thanx

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wagnerrp:

its a big one, close to 8k lines

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, if you want to backport that one line in MDM, that sounds good to me. I just got home from a few days out of town and probably won't get to it till tomorrow at the earliest.

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wagnerrp:

what youre looking for will likely be around line 6k

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darkdrgn2k3:

3%#%

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darkdrgn2k3:

how unstable is trunk?

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Captain_Murdoch:

darkdrgn2k3, did you get your plasma@ 1024x768 question answered?

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darkdrgn2k3:

Captain_Murdoch: yes thank you

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, just checking. I have the same config and have made several commits over the past few years to make sure that MythTV understands it's a 16:9 display with non-square pixels.

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darkdrgn2k3:

yes, i just never knew pixes didnt have to be squared :-P

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wagnerrp:

1024x768? how common...

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Captain_Murdoch:

how plasma. :)

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wagnerrp:

we had an old Phillips plasma at work with a 1024x1024 array

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AndyCap:

older plasma screens.

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wagnerrp:

that was a c-f- getting stuff to render cleanly

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey a 43" plasma for 300 bucks, who can say no to that :)

[22:19:34]

darkdrgn2k3:

thats 300 canadian!

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wagnerrp:

300 canadians just for a single tv?

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darkdrgn2k3:

yep

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darkdrgn2k3:

i save the chinese.. tie them up in my basement and make them memorize numbers.. much more reliable then harddrives

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wagnerrp:

i thought human trafficking was illegal up there

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jamesd2:

darkdrgn2k3, do you get a side of poutine if yoiu ask nicely

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darkdrgn2k3:

naaa we dont let the russian president in !

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok

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darkdrgn2k3:

make -j 4 is that for 4 cores or does it depend on the amount of ram

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jamesd2:

all of the above.. if you have enough memory you can use -j num_of_cores+1 or -1 ... depending on system load

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darkdrgn2k3:

6 gigs enough for 5?

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jamesd2:

most likely..

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jamesd2:

not sure about mythtv.. but i have seen some C++ code take a crap load of memory

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: 1264 to 1269 means you just recently tried to run trunk

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wagnerrp:

and stalled at some point in the schema update

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wagnerrp:

you can always drop back to the backup performed just prior to the attempted update

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darkdrgn2k3:

i was running trunk i just didnt know it was so new :-S

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darkdrgn2k3:

i though i was on trunk when it was pre24 but i guess i was pre25

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darkdrgn2k3:

so im stuck with trunk :-P at least until it becomes .25

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wagnerrp:

but schema 1269 hit like a year ago

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wagnerrp:

were at 1280-something

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh i coudlnt update my myth cause packages where not supported on the fedora i was running

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks... I'll try to get it backported, tonight

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darkdrgn2k3:

btw its 1291

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StevenR_:

I'm building a mythtv system for my parents and I'm wondering what I should be using for a frontend. (backend will be a core i3, receiving UK freeview). The output device will be a TV that does 1366x768 or so. I'll be feeding it via HDMI.

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StevenR_:

The backend will be in their office (there'll be an aerial feed). Frontend will live under or behind their TV in the living room

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StevenR_:

Ideally I'd like something quiet and sufficiently quick to run mythbuntu for them. Can I get away with a dual core atom or do I need to get something more powerful – if so, how powerful do I need to go to?

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darkdrgn3k:

$%#%^#@%$ i hagte bell

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darkdrgn3k:

they just went in w/o my permission and reconfigured the dam router!

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, he's gone, so I can't explain to him what Managed Internet Service means

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iamlindoro:

specifically, that it's not his router

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grumpyrj:

I'm loading xmltv listing into mythv. It is not showing the titles but seems to know the start time as it shows program breaks in the programme guide. No details are show when I look at programme details though. Anyone have an idea why that might be?

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dekarl:

grumpyrj: can you pastebin a part of you xmltv listing?

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grumpyrj:

yep...

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grumpyrj:

http://pastebin.com/g0XJSd6T

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