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Thursday, December 22nd, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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crak:

dekarl: now it seems to run if i sudo mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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dekarl:

very cool :)

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crak:

do i need to schedule the epg-scan somehow?

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crak:

or do i need to run it manually?

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dekarl:

there is a checkbox somewhere that make the master backend run mfdb once a day

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dekarl:

do you run the backend with the same user that you ran the setup with?

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crak:

yes

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dekarl:

so there should be no problem with finding the <video source>.xmltv configuration file then

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crak:

takes quite a long time to procceed

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LTHorn:

who wants to take a crack at my myth frontend/backend issue?

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LTHorn:

mythtv unable to connect to master backend are you sure ip blah blah

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LTHorn:

same machine.. all ips match. hosts file looks good. no idea why it's not working

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crak:

hmm

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crak:

mfdb is done

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crak:

but the browser backend does not show any data for the channels

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sphery:

LTHorn: need logs showing connect failure

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sphery:

to pastebin, please

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LTHorn:

I'd have to do that when I get home. Unfortunately won't be for several hours

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sphery:

crak: you'll only see listings for channels that are usable... so, assuming mythfilldatabase put data into your database, seeing no data means that your channel configuration is broken

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crak:

sphery: ok. but how do i connect the channel to the epg-data then?

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sphery:

crak: likely, you'd have duplicate channels, where the ones with the data aren't configured with your tuners and the ones configured with your tuners have no data

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sphery:

if so, you'd fix it with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

specifically the Video Sources portion

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sphery:

crak: and make sure you set the xmltvids properly before you run mythfilldatabase, again, so that it doesn't do the same (i.e. add all new channels instead of using the channels you have defined)

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crak:

sphery: the xmlid is e.g ard.de isn't it?

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sphery:

no idea what it would be for your channels--all I can say is each channel has a different value

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crak:

like it is in the xml <channel id="ard.de">

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sphery:

that looks right, then

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crak:

ahh

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crak:

now i can see something in the mythweb

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sphery:

you can try deleting duplicate channels manually, if you like (rather than delete all video sources)

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sphery:

but it's easy to leave a mess that way (so starting clean is a great way to ensure proper config)

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crak:

it just starts at 5 o clock

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sphery:

then again, it's possible it didn't create duplicate channels, but just didn't insert data

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crak:

ok

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crak:

i havent

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sphery:

yeah, you'd need mythfilldatabase --refresh-today , too, probably

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sphery:

wagnerrp: just looked at job_queue_idle.py... nice changes to that--it's like a real script, now

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sphery:

and way more functional than my simple hack

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crak:

ok guys

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crak:

thanks alot

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crak:

i have to go to bed

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crak:

good night

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** wagnerrp has no idea what changes sphery is referring to **

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sphery:

the whole daemon mode thing and the fact that it can just run it when necessary and kill it when not

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

seems i made those changes way way back in late may

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im not so sure about using job count as an exit code

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wagnerrp:

but... thats the way the original script was set up

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wagnerrp:

although

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sphery:

it was just an easy way to do it

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wagnerrp:

i suppose anything not-zero means jobs are still running

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sphery:

yep

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wagnerrp:

and as such is an error, to indicate not to shut down

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it could use some catchable signals

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wagnerrp:

a terminate of that in turn terminates the jobqueue

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sphery:

so you could just have a system start script run that and shut it down rather than running mythjobqueue directly?

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sphery:

I need to get mythtvd done... :)

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wagnerrp:

no

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LTHorn:

so far comcast has missed three appointments with me. fun times

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wagnerrp:

i mean in daemon mode, it would sit there listening for a SIGTERM

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wagnerrp:

and if it got one, instead of just closing, it would SIGTERM mythjobqueue

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wagnerrp:

although its not like it would make much difference

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wagnerrp:

because going down cleanly versus going down hard makes no difference to mythjobqueue

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wagnerrp:

on way or another, it leaves any run job orphaned

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: will I have any trouble migrating from portage's package to the ebuilds in the git repo?

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Unguided:

wagnerrp: I figured it out and got that darn keyboard working last night.

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Josh`:

KungFuJesus, the biggest difference that I've seen is the ebuids (in portage) instally mythtv to /usr, but the git repo, by default, install to /usr/local.

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Josh`:

of course, with my luck, you probably were not referring to Gentoo.

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KungFuJesus:

not much else that an ebuild could be for :-p

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wagnerrp:

Josh`: hes talking about the ebuilds in the mythtv packaging repo

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KungFuJesus:

so the database schema upgrade that's built into mythtv's setup applications will run fine?

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Unguided:

Where can i find information on what the next stable version of myhttv will bring to the table?

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wagnerrp:

should

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wagnerrp:

Unguided; there are release notes on the wiki

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KungFuJesus:

because upstream stupidly decided that they were only writing .24.1 ebuilds because the maintainer doesn't use the plugins enough to care

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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KungFuJesus:

and they didn't want to modify the existing eclass to not allow .23.1 to work with it

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KungFuJesus:

eh usptream gentoo is what I mean, not upstream mythtv

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KungFuJesus:

and only .24.1 ebuilds for vanilla mythtv, without plugins

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression upstream gentoo still stuck with subversion

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KungFuJesus:

that was part of it, but mostly they still want to support .23.1 for some reason

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KungFuJesus:

http://rich0gentoo.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/a . . . thtv-update/

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KungFuJesus:

alright well I'll probably do the update sometime tomorrow from the current .23.1 ebuilds. Am I going to have to mask off the .25 ebuilds?

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wagnerrp:

the 0.25 ebuilds are masked ~amd64 ~x86

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KungFuJesus:

ah I'll need to modify my accept_keywords then

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wagnerrp:

!seen cardoe

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MythLogBot:

cardoe is here and has been idle for 1 day 13 hours 51 minutes 22 seconds

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wagnerrp:

cardoe: you can run 0.23.1 ebuilds off git and the same eclass

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wagnerrp:

all you need is the proper hash, short hash, and git version

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wagnerrp:

so that block of four lines at the top of the file

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wagnerrp:

and the block of code to sed in the version

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KungFuJesus:

heh, maybe that means we will see myth plugins for .24.1 :)

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Unguided:

Wagnerrp: Im sorry. What i meant to ask for is the roadmap for .25

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wagnerrp:

there really isnt one

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Unguided:

Okay. One last question. The .22 pdf manual that i am reading recommends jfs and xfs for the filesystem. Is that still the case?

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wagnerrp:

ext3 is terrible for large files

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Unguided:

Okay. So stick with jfs then xfs still?

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Unguided:

I'm gonna put another drive in the computer for recording to and leave a drive for the operating system itself.

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statix138:

Ok I seem to be at my wits end trying to figure out a small lcd issue. My LCD display will only show the time and backend recording status. I read the bug about Ubuntu returning the IPv6 localhost address and removed the offending lines from the hosts file.

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statix138:

It seems as if mythlcdserver is connecting properly to lcdproc because it is getting the size information of my screen. I can also see the frontend is reading back the settings from the database properly.

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sphery:

statix138: 0.24-fixes or unstable/development?

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statix138:

0.25 from the ubuntu ppa

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sphery:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10099

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sphery:

note that there is no 0.25

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sphery:

only 0.24 and unstable/development

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sphery:

0.25pre is pre-release code and, as you've noticed, not guaranteed to work :)

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statix138:

Gotcha, now to play the back and forth game

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sphery:

back and forth?

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statix138:

between .24 and development

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sphery:

well, you can't downgrade your database, so unless you have a pre-0.25-upgrade backup, going back to 0.24-fixes would mean starting a new database

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statix138:

I cant seem to get .24 to place nicely with multiple Ceton cards, single card is fine but multiple no. .25 works great with all of my ceton cards but now all of my lcds are worthless

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sphery:

if you do have a backup from before upgrading to unstable, you can restore it

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sphery:

ah, yeah, no idea on the Ceton cards

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sphery:

even the code in unstable isn't a proper implementation for it

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statix138:

I had my expectations set pretty low on Ceton support due to it being in its infancy but it has worked quite well for me thus far

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sphery:

anyway, I'd say that between the 2, a non-functional lcd screen is far more appealing than non-functional recorders

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statix138:

but the code difference between .24 and .25 that makes the difference for me is in .25 you can specify to use RTP streaming where as I have yet to find a way to do it .24

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sphery:

yeah, you're probably better off with unstable for ceton

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statix138:

Im half tempted to try the work around posted in the bug you sent me

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sphery:

just please keep up with -commits and -dev lists so you know what does and what doesn't work (and what's not expected to work)

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statix138:

I tell you what I have been searching around for a bit but I was using the wrong terms. I found a bug very similar to mine but it was from 3 years ago so it didn't inspire much hope

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Aneurysm9:

speaking of ceton cards, anyone had issues with the MPEG stream coming from the card?

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sphery:

yeah, keeping up with unstable/development is more about subscribing to and reading all the messages in -dev and -commits lists

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sphery:

it's a /lot/ of work

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Aneurysm9:

I've got a strong signal and it tunes fine, but the output is unwatchable, always jittery with tons of errors coming from ffmpeg

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sphery:

but it allows you to find these things when you come across them

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[R]:

statix138: thats why you need to read dev and commits

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sphery:

and it can save a lot of developer time by preventing bug reports/tickets for in-progress development or whatever

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sphery:

anyway, I wouldn't expect anyone just jumping in would have been able to find that ticket easily--I only knew about it because I spend way too much time keeping up with -dev and -commits list (in spite of the fact that I run 0.24-fixes)

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sphery:

anyway, you're kind of in a bad place, but not your fault... unstable is better for use with the capture card you bought--and you probably bought it because you were incited to purchase by people on the lists who recommended an unsupported card because "it works great for me" (without telling any of the rest of the story)

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statix138:

Well I have 3 of them and I have had them for a bit, I just grew sick of WMC with its total lack of a decent extender solution and SageTV is dead

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sphery:

ah, so you had those + WMC (where that card is supported) and just moved to MythTV

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sphery:

that's a good reason to have those cards, then

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statix138:

Yeah, this has been a experiement

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** Aneurysm9 is the poor sucker who bought the card because others said "it works great for me" :) **

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sphery:

I'm just rather upset with all the people on the -users list who incite other people (people whose technical skills, amount of time to devote to swimming upstream, ... they have no idea about) to buy a card that's not supported

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sphery:

when there's a supported device that also allows CableCARD--the HDHR Prime

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statix138:

Agreed, I develop on Linux professionally so I am not scared of Linux

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statix138:

I just tend to spend a lot of time with Asterisk

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sphery:

I understand that GNU/Linux is about "the path less traveled", but not so much when the traveler is expecting someone else to carry him

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statix138:

Everything has worked well thus far for me minus this small problem

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sphery:

yeah, for you, I'd recommend sticking with unstable until 0.25 is released (then switch to 0.25-fixes)

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statix138:

Yeah I saw the HDHR Prime is far better supported

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sphery:

and, either do without the LCD updates or try the change in that ticket (but note that I have no idea what effects that change will have elsewhere)

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statix138:

I just have a hard time switching after I dumped so much money into these stupid ceton cards

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sphery:

right

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statix138:

my wife wishes I just kept the stupid tivo

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sphery:

and since you bought them for use with WMC, it's completely understandable that you'd choose those

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statix138:

Yeah, I am rebuilding the packages at the moment

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sphery:

well, I hope that after you get MythTV up and working properly, she'll realize how limited TiVo was in comparison

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statix138:

She will get over it

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statix138:

The lack of netflix was a hard sell but in the end she just wants to watch trashy reality tv with the dogs

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sphery:

between my "1786 programs, using 7.3 TB (2 months 10 days 13 hrs 45 mins)" (all unwatched--I watch and delete) and timestretch and commercial detection/skipping and ... , I couldn't imagine using a TiVo, anymore

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[R]:

my parents have a dish network dvr

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[R]:

and i cringe everytime im at their house

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sphery:

yeah, netflix is something we won't ever be able to support... but then again, it's in about everything else, these days

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statix138:

Well TiVo has nothing on the monster backend I built for this myth box

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statix138:

12 Cable Card tuners and 24TB of storage

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sphery:

so you could easily use Wii/PS3/XBox 360 + XBox Live membership/Roku/...

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statix138:

I use my PS3 for it. The wife is of the mind set if she has to change the activity on the harmony it is to much effort

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sphery:

hehe

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statix138:

Some battles just aren't worth fighting

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sphery:

and since the harmony makes that generally easy, I'm sure there's no winning that fight

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sphery:

:(

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statix138:

Haha no, none at all

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statix138:

She understands why I want to change software though, having 3 different tvs recording different things and try to sync that with com skipping was just a general pain and never worked right

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sphery:

yeah, WMC doesn't sound like an ideal solution to me

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statix138:

If it had decent extender support I would have just stayed with it

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sphery:

(in spite of what the guy who worked for MS doing evangelism tried to tell me at the airport one night)

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sphery:

extenders are "frontend" only, right? no recording?

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statix138:

yeah, all the recording is done off the pc being extended

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statix138:

problem is the only extender available is the Xbox 360

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sphery:

oh, didn't know that

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sphery:

not ideal--very loud

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statix138:

which has awful codec support

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statix138:

and a majority of WMC plugins wont work on extenders

[06:34:11]

statix138:

If MS would allow a PC to act as an extender it would be great but for some reason MS refuses to allow it

[06:34:32]

statix138:

there are some really really ugly hacks out there to bring it close but liek I said, very ugly

[06:35:10]

statix138:

but that is typical for me with MS products. I like 90% of what they have done but that last 10% is a deal breaker in the end for me

[06:36:34]

sphery:

Yeah, Windows has some nice stuff, but I couldn't handle using it for my stuff. I can't stand being helpless to fix something that I need to work.

[06:38:11]

statix138:

Agreed, I used to enjoy tinkering with XBMC to make it bend to my will

[06:38:29]

sphery:

yeah, but you can only bend so far without source

[06:39:17]

statix138:

Well WMC bends about as well as a steel girder

[06:39:51]

sphery:

hehe, and I'm no Bender Bending Rodriguez

[06:40:16]

statix138:

Maybe if Flexo is still around he could help =)

[06:40:44]

sphery:

hehe

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statix138:

Futurama was one of the first things I set my backend to record for me

[06:51:42]

statix138:

Great sucess

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statix138:

well the lcd works atleast, now to check if anything else is completely broken

[06:53:29]

statix138:

Sphery, thank you for pointing me in the right direction

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statix138:

I even get the fun little iMon icons, all is right in the world

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[R]:

i've been wanting to hook an lcd to my backend for months

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[R]:

just too dman lazy to work on the hardware side of it

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statix138:

I thought about doing the same but I would never use it

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prologic:

hmm I keep forgetting how to do this. I've copied a bunch of .avi videos to /media/videos (where mythtv has a configured storage area for videos) but the new videos aren't showing up? the existing ones show up though

[09:12:49]

wagnerrp:

media library -> watch videos -> 'm' key -> scan for content

[09:19:03]

Beirdo:

yah, happy birthday to me... shortest day of the fricking year

[09:19:14]

Beirdo:

and I'm awake watching Glee?! WTF?

[09:19:40]

Beirdo:

although, the performance of Van Halen's Hot For Teacher... not bad at all.

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[09:24:46]

wagnerrp:

but isnt the teacher the creepy manager from SmartTech who is looking for employees with benefits?

[09:25:46]

Beirdo:

not the one being sung about, no. It's a female

[09:25:58]

wagnerrp:

yes

[09:26:16]

Beirdo:

OK, well, I'm only half awake, could be.

[09:26:57]

Beirdo:

However, my blanket is about half done, kinda

[09:26:58]

wagnerrp:

http://www.themoviedb.org/person/43775

[09:26:59]

Beirdo:

heh

[09:27:06]

wagnerrp:

blanket?

[09:27:33]

Beirdo:

no no, not her

[09:28:39]

Beirdo:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0579953/

[09:28:56]

Beirdo:

anyways, yeah, I'm making a blanket from recycled wool sweaters

[09:29:05]

Beirdo:

(via making felt)

[09:29:38]

Beirdo:

got 4 of the 9 2'x2' squares finished... The end blanket is to be 7'x7'

[09:29:51]

Beirdo:

but I think I'll need another Goodwill trip first

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Beirdo:

only broken one sewing machine needle so far... The one that shipped with it. Replaced it with a heavy-duty denim needle

[09:32:44]

Beirdo:

as I am backing the felt with denim strips to keep it from stretching too much.

[09:32:55]

Beirdo:

recycled jeans, in fact

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know something about her face just looks... disfigured

[09:33:48]

wagnerrp:

like, its just too large

[09:34:15]

Beirdo:

or just not filled out enough

[09:35:11]

Beirdo:

likely a bad picture or something, I dunno. It is an odd-shaped face though, isn't it?

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Beirdo:

Oh dangit

[09:52:23]

Beirdo:

I took Friday off as a vacation day... and now they are saying it's the Christmas day off

[09:52:27]

Beirdo:

BAH

[09:52:38]

Beirdo:

I'll take an extra day next week I guess.

[09:54:02]

wagnerrp:

AMD is claiming their top-of-the-line 7-series cards will do <5W idle

[09:54:33]

Beirdo:

heh, they suck for less than 5W, but still suck?

[09:55:04]

wagnerrp:

i mean like the 300W monsters are supposed to run <5W idle

[09:55:12]

wagnerrp:

nevermind how well the do (or dont do) in linux

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Beirdo:

oh

[09:55:20]

Beirdo:

they still suck :)

[09:56:38]

Beirdo:

OK, what's with the tard revving his motorbike engine outside an apartment building at 2am?

[09:56:51]

Beirdo:

You're so NOT cool, buddy.

[09:58:24]

wagnerrp:

im not your buddy, pal

[09:59:26]

Beirdo:

heh

[10:01:30]

wagnerrp:

oof

[10:01:54]

wagnerrp:

the past several hours, ive been wondering why firefox has logged me out of every webpage that is normally cookied

[10:02:10]

Beirdo:

OOM?

[10:02:13]

wagnerrp:

purple title bar means im in privacy mode

[10:02:23]

wagnerrp:

whoops

[10:05:52]

Beirdo:

Oooh

[10:05:53]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[10:05:56]

Beirdo:

Doh!

[10:14:50]

CiaranG:

doh, my job queue got stuck 4 days ago and I've only just noticed – massive backlog

[10:16:05]

CiaranG:

mythvidexport.py was hanging when calling importMetadata for a particular recording, which caused the job to stay in 'starting' state forever

[10:16:20]

Beirdo:

Interesting. I didn't know that pretty much every province in Canada has an official (and registered) tartan

[10:16:38]

Beirdo:

Ontario has several, in fact...

[10:16:46]

wagnerrp:

odd... i dont know why it would sit at Starting rather than Running

[10:17:17]

wagnerrp:

although it could be worth putting a timeout in the System call in the bindings

[10:19:13]

CiaranG:

It's quite an annoying way to fail, because you can't stop the job when it's Starting

[10:21:39]

wagnerrp:

hmmm, not sure why i decided to make the metadata grab section as 'starting', and not transition to 'running' until the copy starts

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CiaranG:

Ah, so that's what the setStatus(4) means

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wagnerrp:

0–8 are unknown, pending, starting, running, stopping, paused, stopping, paused, erroring

[10:38:24]

wagnerrp:

anything 256 and up are some form of finished

[10:40:29]

wagnerrp:

CiaranG: actually, you cannot stop any job in any status

[10:40:39]

wagnerrp:

the jobqueue does not support the termination of running jobs

[10:41:36]

wagnerrp:

starting vs. running makes no difference

[10:41:47]

wagnerrp:

you would have to manually terminate it on the command line in either case

[10:43:42]

CiaranG:

Oh, fair enough

[10:43:49]

CiaranG:

Never tried to stop one until this happened

[10:44:13]

wagnerrp:

the information center offers the option to stop a job

[10:44:18]

wagnerrp:

but it doesnt actually do anything

[10:44:38]

wagnerrp:

it pokes a field in the database that it expects the job itself to read

[10:44:51]

wagnerrp:

if the job is not repeatedly checking that field, nothing will happen

[10:57:10]

CiaranG:

Couldn't possibly help if its hung anyway then

[10:57:39]

CiaranG:

I didn't have time to investigate why importMetadata wasn't coming back for that recording, so I just switched on --listingonly

[10:59:37]

wagnerrp:

what show, specifically?

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[11:01:32]

CiaranG:

Bob the Builder – "A Christmas to Remember"

[11:02:05]

wagnerrp:

separate title and subtitle?

[11:02:48]

CiaranG:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

f---!

[11:12:26]

wagnerrp:

fat lot of good a UPS does you when you bump the power button with your toe

[11:14:59]

clever:

mine is just as bad, the switch is on the front and can be turned off by just pushing a cardboard box into it

[11:15:18]

clever:

though its half my fault, its supposed to be resessed in the (missing) faceplate

[11:15:40]

clever:

faceplate wont fit if the batterys are sitting ontop

[11:17:43]

Scopeuk:

clever, take small tupperware pot, cut switch shapped hole, place switch in hole, re attach lid

[11:18:20]

clever:

that may work

[11:18:36]

clever:

but now that i look at it, i cant see how the batterys ever fit in there

[11:18:48]

clever:

i'm guessing the ones i have now must be taller then the orig

[11:21:25]

Scopeuk:

cant design nice enclosurse for squat but i can bodge a quick solution to most little niggles

[11:21:35]

Scopeuk:

hence why my midi controler is built in an old hdd

[11:25:42]

clever:

another solution is to just cut a hole in the faceplate for the battery cables, and put the plate back on

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Butcher:

hello i'm looking for a way to film training footage and a possibility to review what was recording while it continues to film. possibility to pause rewind slowmotion etc

[12:09:44]

Butcher:

i'm not familiar with mythtv, would it be possible with mythbuntu for instance?

[12:15:52]

Scopeuk:

Butcher, you could possibly do that with myt hut its not really what its designed for, realtime video coming through from a source is not its strong point

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Butcher:

do you maybe know of another solution that would fit my problem?

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Scopeuk:

its this part possibility to pause rewind slowmotion that creates the problem

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Scopeuk:

why are you wanting to do that whilst recording?

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Butcher:

well the people who train could analyse the performance while queing to get access to the aparatus

[12:32:55]

Butcher:

imagine a gymnastics floor

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Scopeuk:

so really you want to capture and then play back in slow motion?

[12:33:19]

Scopeuk:

your not wanting to director style record then mid recording rewind and slow mo whilst the recording continues?

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Butcher:

yes but while we're reviewing athlete x, athlete y is doing his performance

[12:33:49]

Butcher:

i'm not even interested in keeping the footage

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Butcher:

it's a bonus, but not important

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Scopeuk:

i'd be tempted to use a recording program and a seperate playback program

[12:34:41]

Scopeuk:

so record athleat x, stop and open file, set recordign for athleat y

[12:35:34]

Butcher:

well right now we have a person recording skipping an athlete to show footage and then record the second

[12:36:06]

Butcher:

but we're aiming for 20–30 athletes all doing their excersises after eachother and if they want to they can analyse with a coach

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Scopeuk:

so what you want is something where at the end of a routine you hit a button adn its stopsthat recording and lets you play with it and starts the next one?

[12:40:50]

Butcher:

no stopping involved

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Butcher:

camera keeps recording, if you forward completely you end up at the live stream again

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Scopeuk:

that is sort of the way myth works but its overkill for what your wanting,

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Butcher:

the only interface with users (athletes) should be pause,rewind,forward, slowmotion if possible

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Scopeuk:

you cna try it, i cant name a better solution off hand

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AndyCap:

Butcher: I think you could do that with lice tv in mythtv, but it's a rather complex solution.

[12:42:40]

AndyCap:

live tv..

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Butcher:

why is it a rather complex solution, overkill?

[12:44:05]

Scopeuk:

mythtv is a very complicated and powerful program for recording tv from multiple tv tuners, with alot of added features at that

[12:45:15]

AndyCap:

Butcher: and it usually needs a program-schedule,

[12:45:44]

Butcher:

the thing we need is feedback of the users footage immediately after they're done, so the next time they get the oportunity to improve on the coaching they can see results

[12:46:26]

Butcher:

but since you guys seem to think it's possible i'l give it a shot.

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AndyCap:

Butcher: google turned up Longomatch, but not sure if that does what you want

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Butcher:

yeah not sure if that is for live footage

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Scopeuk:

it states live capture on the website

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LTHorn:

I'm having a problem connecting my my backend from my frontend getting the error: could not connect to master backend server. is it running? is the ip set for it in mythtv-setup

[16:05:05]

Seeker`:

LTHorn: when you set up the backend, what did you set its ip address as in the setup?

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LTHorn:

127.0.0.1

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Seeker`:

is it a combined front/back end?

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LTHorn:

yeah

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Seeker`:

is the backend actually running?

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LTHorn:

it should be

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Seeker`:

check with ps and grep?

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LTHorn:

run the command ps grep in terminal?

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Seeker`:

ps aux | grep myth

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LTHorn:

corran 1928 0.0 0.0 12264 276 ? Ss 00:58 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh

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LTHorn:

corran 1931 0.0 0.0 26436 520 ? S 00:58 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh

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LTHorn:

corran 5091 2.1 1.4 388856 73432 ? S 10:05 0:02 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre

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LTHorn:

corran 5172 0.0 0.0 7968 876 pts/0 S+ 10:07 0:00 grep --color=auto myth

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Seeker`:

no backend listed there. Also, pastebin.com is good for pastes :)

[16:08:19]

Seeker`:

what version of mythbuntu are you using?

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LTHorn:

.25 pre

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Seeker`:

i mean what version of the distro

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LTHorn:

latest 11.10 i believe

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LTHorn:

its a fresh install

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Seeker`:

try

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Seeker`:

sudo service mythtv-backend start

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LTHorn:

ran same error

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Seeker`:

what did it say when you ran the command?

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LTHorn:

mythtv-backend start/running, process 5191

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Seeker`:

and is it running now?

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LTHorn:

doesn't appear to be

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Seeker`:

you should se /usr/bin/mythbackend appearing in the result of the ps command i said abotu earlier

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LTHorn:

it's not

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Seeker`:

I guess it isn't starting up properly then. I believe that the advice regarding 0.25 is not to run it unless you are comfortable debugging things and able to put up with breakage

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Seeker`:

sorry I can't be more help atm, need to get back to work

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LTHorn:

bah humbug. and i was hoping not to have to deal with the .24 infinitv patch

[16:14:46]

Seeker`:

you can wait and see if anyone else turns up/ is able to help

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sphery:

LTHorn: did you ever pastebin the backend log?

[16:16:05]

LTHorn:

i did not

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LTHorn:

also whats the / command for the message?

[16:16:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro: agreed... close segfault tickets without backtraces--and let them reopen when they have a bt

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sphery:

LTHorn: / command?

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LTHorn:

for messages in red

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sphery:

I'm guessing it just highlighted the message because it was directed to you (i.e. started with your name)

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LTHorn:

ah

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LTHorn:

quite possible

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LTHorn:

so what command into terminal will gen the log you want to see?

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sphery:

check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and if it has anything in it, paste the stuff from the bottom... at least one full session of it

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sphery:

or just: echo | sudo tee /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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sphery:

to clear it, then run mythbackend, then paste the whole log's contents

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LTHorn:

http://pastebin.com/53GK7zFL

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LTHorn:

quite odd. it doesn't look like the backend has run since the 18th

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LTHorn:

i think that was when i added 4 more gigs of ram

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LTHorn:

but the two should be unrelated

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sphery:

er, I think it's: sudo echo | tee /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[16:23:13]

sphery:

that means that log isn't actually helpful

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sphery:

note, though, "2011-12–18 22:42:38.416 MythBackend, Warning: No valid capture cards are defined in the database"

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LTHorn:

i have since added the ceton card

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sphery:

ok

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LTHorn:

gotten the drivers installed and i can see it on 192.168.200.1

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sphery:

can you do the sudo to clear the file: sudo echo | tee /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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sphery:

then try to run mythbackend (using the service start script), and see the results

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sphery:

and you are using 0.24-fixes, right?

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LTHorn:

no i'm using .25 pre

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LTHorn:

which i might have to stop using

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sphery:

then you probably have to set up rsyslog for logging

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sphery:

and make sure you're using a proper start script

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sphery:

or you won't get logging

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LTHorn:

know how to set that up?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Rsyslog_Configuration

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sphery:

though I've heard that some changes may be necessary for *buntu due to permissions

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sphery:

first, check to see if you have a file by that name

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sphery:

if so, it's probably already set up

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LTHorn:

already have the 40-mythtv-rsyslog.conf in /etc/rsyslog.d

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sphery:

then you likely have permission problems preventing the messages from being written

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LTHorn:

so you want me to run: sudo service mythtv-backend start

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sphery:

could try: sudo rm /var/log/mythtv/*

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sphery:

then try running backend

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sphery:

and hope you see some log files appear

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LTHorn:

http://pastebin.com/G1QUFezv

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sphery:

Dec 22 10:29:46 Artemis mythbackend[5892]: InitializeInputs(): #012#011#011#011Could not get inputs for the capturecard.#012#011#011#011Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video#012#011#011#011sources to your card's inputs?

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sphery:

and following messages say your card isn't properly configured

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LTHorn:

odd.

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LTHorn:

i followed the instructions to the t

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sphery:

Dec 22 10:29:46 Artemis mythbackend[5892]: Scheduler: Listings source 'Schedules Direct' is defined, but is not attached to a card input. \ Dec 22 10:29:46 Artemis mythbackend[5892]: Scheduler: No channel sources defined in the database

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LTHorn:

i setup schedulesdirect too

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sphery:

basically, though, since you have no capture cards, mythbackend is useless, so it shuts down

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sphery:

so, all you need to do is figure out how to configure your cards

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sphery:

and that I can't help with--I don't konw anything about the Ceton cards and the hack to make them work (since they're not supported)

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sphery:

all 4 seem to be misconfigured though

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sphery:

Dec 22 10:29:48 Artemis mythbackend[5912]: Problem with capture cardsCard 1failed init

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sphery:

so that could even be low-level driver type issues

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LTHorn:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /319286.html

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LTHorn:

i'm trying this

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sphery:

good luck

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LTHorn:

thanks

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sphery:

I'll leave you to work on it

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LTHorn:

thanks for your help

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LTHorn:

i think it may be easier to just revert to .24 as i was hoping using .25 would make the infinitv easier to setup

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Rob__:

Is there a comparison chart for myth vs other pvr software? I"m trying to decide which one to use

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wagnerrp:

wikipedia has one, but im not sure what real use it would be in deciding

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wagnerrp:

what are you looking for, specifically?

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memyself:

oh cool, i just realized my bedroom TV only has component inputs... since the cost of an HDMI/comp. converter is prohibitive (~$40), i'm going to have to upgrade my 27" to a newer 40"

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wagnerrp:

so rather than spend $40 on a converter, youre going to spend several hundred on a TV?

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wagnerrp:

what video card do you have?

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mroe:

Does anyone know the legal implications of using mythtv as a media retrieval system for an organization in the US?

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wagnerrp:

perfectly fine if you negotiate with MPEG-LA for the necessary codec licenses

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mroe:

does that mean that under normal circumstances it is a non-starter

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wagnerrp:

technically, by implementing the various MPEG codecs without licensing, ffmpeg, and by proxy mythtv, are in violation of the MPEG-LA patents

[18:19:18]

wagnerrp:

mythtv, ffmpeg, and other projects avoid this to some extent through some legal maneuvering by only offering the source

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wagnerrp:

the source cant do anything (or violate any patents) until it is compiled on the end-user's computer

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wagnerrp:

plus the MPEG-LA has traditionally had an amicable relationship with open source projects like us

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wagnerrp:

were not a sufficient target to be worth going after, nor are the individual end users

[18:21:14]

wagnerrp:

however, a sizable commercial user, running compiled code, is in violation of the patents and worth going after

[18:22:16]

wagnerrp:

if you're using it in-house, there is likely no reason the MPEG-LA would know that you are doing so to care

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wagnerrp:

unless informed by a disgruntled ex-employee

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mroe:

not an ideal way to proceed

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wagnerrp:

there have been several commercial installations of mythtv, although i do not know what they did in regards to patent licensing

[18:24:32]

wagnerrp:

then there are the various distros that offer binary mythtv, that get a blanket patent to allow their distribution (however it does not allow use on the user end)

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wagnerrp:

s/patent/license/

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mroe:

is the media licensing also an issue?

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wagnerrp:

for dvd/bluray/etc, you own the content, so there is no licensing issue

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wagnerrp:

however, to get it into mythtv, you have to breach encryption, which runs foul of the DMCA and can potentially be an issue

[18:26:03]

mroe:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

for recorded TV, i dont know what the implications are

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wagnerrp:

sony vs. universal (vcr recording) back in the 80s allowed fair use recording and playback

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wagnerrp:

but how that extends to commercial use, i dont know

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wagnerrp:

depending on how many frontends you are intending to employ, you may have to license the content

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wagnerrp:

in essence, you would set yourself up like a cable company

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wagnerrp:

satellite dishes and receivers to downlink from the source

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wagnerrp:

and licensing fees on the order of a couple cents per channel per frontend per month

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memyself:

wagnerrp: I dont have any frontends yet.. i'm just scoping stuff out. im still on sagetv

[18:36:17]

wagnerrp:

sagetv includes the mpeg licenses as part of their purchase price

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wagnerrp:

but im not entirely certain how they deal with channel licensing

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mroe:

okolsi, thanks

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wagnerrp:

it could be that is only needed if you are reselling to customers

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mroe:

ugh,

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mroe:

okolsi, thanks

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mroe:

stupid auto-finish

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mroe:

okay, thanks

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mroe:

I am looking at ~30 front-ends in a school

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wagnerrp:

dont take me as any authority on this kind of thing

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wagnerrp:

im only listing things i think could potentially be a problem

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mroe:

I don't

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mroe:

yes, you've been a big helf

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mroe:

help*

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wagnerrp:

absolutely consult some kind of patent/copyright lawyer

[18:39:01]

wagnerrp:

as far as mythtv itself is concerned over such an installation

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wagnerrp:

understand mythtv is _not_ secure

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wagnerrp:

there are no passwords, no authentication, no anything

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mroe:

right, the trick though is to find a resource that is not concerned with CYA advice

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wagnerrp:

if you are on the same physical segment as a mythtv backend, you can do whatever you want to it

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wagnerrp:

you are either going to have to implement physical security on such an installation

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mroe:

security can be handled at a network level

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wagnerrp:

or add an encryption layer, through VPN, or directly into myth's backend protocol

[18:41:07]

wagnerrp:

plus at 30 frontends, you may start to run into scaling issues

[18:41:28]

wagnerrp:

youll want a large machine, with gobs of memory and SSDs to run the database

[18:41:50]

wagnerrp:

and potentially multiple backends to spread the content over for file streaming to the frontends

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wagnerrp:

with a decent array and gigabit networking, a single nice backend could probably handle 30 frontends

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mroe:

30 front ends, but probably only 3–7 active at a given time

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wagnerrp:

3–7 active is no problem at all

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crak:

hi all

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crak:

my EPG does not show umlauts.

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crak:

is there a way to tell mythtv to use utf8

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crak:

?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has used utf8 internally since 0.22

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crak:

then i need to say xmltv to grab its data in utf8?

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** sphery wonders if crak is running in a proper environment that specifies a UTF-8 codeset **

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dekarl:

sphery: why?

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wagnerrp:

at least for python, you cant mess with unicode on stdin or stdout unless your environment is properly configured

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dekarl:

the issue is more likely that his epg provider has shuffled the encoding around lately and the grabber might not have catched up yet

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dekarl:

see the thread on xmltv-users about _eu_epgdata

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bouncysteve:

Hi. I have a problem with a slave backend and I've found very little documentation. Capture card was fine in a single machine setup, but now I've moved my db to a separate master backend. Got a couple of recordings out of it a couple of days ago, but now I get errors like 'MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1'

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sphery:

bouncysteve: you /do/ have capture cards defined in both backends, right?

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sphery:

we don't support tuner-less backends

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bouncysteve:

I read conflicting advice on that. I did have a dummy one set up at one stage, but not anymore.

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bouncysteve:

If I enter the config for one (with no physical card attached) and set the priorities accordingly would that be ok?

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sphery:

it's better than trying to run without a tuner in the backend, but why not put the tuner in the backend and just run one backend?

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sphery:

there's no benefit to running a slave backend separate from a master backend save the electricity usage for the tuner card itself

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sphery:

the only good reason to have slave backends, IMHO, is to allow you to have more HDDs and tuners than you could physically/electrically fit in one box

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sphery:

note, also, that you'll need to "Delete all capture cards" to fix your current broken configuration

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sphery:

seems you have a partially-defined/broken configuration for capture cards, now

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sphery:

(and it won't affect channels, so it's easy to do)

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sphery:

so, out of curiosity, I looked up HVR-1250 at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1250 , and it says, "Based on measurement with a Kill-A-Watt and 2 cards plugged in vs. not, each card seems to draw about 6W even when idle."

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sphery:

so that's $6/yr/card :)

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bouncysteve:

sphery: Thanks for confirming that (does it mention it in the documentation somewhere and I missed it?). New master backend is an HP proliant server- lots of storage, low power, but difficult/impossible to fit my existing PCI card into.

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jams:

bouncysteve- g4 series?

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stichnot:

Any tips on getting HLS and livestream_rec.qsp to do playback on a Windows system? It works on my iPhone, but nothing I've tried under Windows — IE, Firefox, Safari, vlc — seems to work.

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bouncysteve:

jams: MicroServer N36L. Only has half height/half length PCIe, so my card won't fit. Might get a DVB-T2 USB tuner when they're better supported/cheaper.

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LTHorn:

I think my infinitv 4 is broken

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