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| [00:02:42] | Seeker`: | bbeattie: bluray playback works on mythtv. When you start a bluray, it chooses the longest length title and plays it |
| [00:03:31] | Seeker`: | menus don't work for the reasons stated earlier; it requires an implementation of a specific JVM, which isn't documented publicly. It requires reverse engineering bytecode, or obtaining the specs (which I believe is non-trivial) |
| [00:07:42] | Seeker`: | bbeattie: and I don't think there have been any major developments in bluray JVM implementation in a while |
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| [00:33:06] | Oleg_: | as I said, if mythtv always displays blu-ray titles in their proper order, then it doesn't matter there is no menu support |
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| [00:34:03] | Oleg_: | if we are talking about tv series |
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| [00:36:07] | Oleg_: | if there is a theatrical version and extended version of a movie on a blu-ray, then choosing a lengthier title usually means it's an extended cut |
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| [00:53:34] | Seeker`: | Oleg_: yes, but with something like 'Up', the french version is a minute or so longer than the english I think |
| [00:53:59] | Seeker`: | and the 'behind the scenes' version of inception is about 30 mins longer than the actual film |
| [00:54:55] | Oleg_: | what do you mean it's longer than the actual film? I don't think that's true |
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| [00:55:34] | Oleg_: | "behind the scenes" is probably some documentary |
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| [01:00:44] | iamlindoro: | a) It's not as though you can't change titles if it picks the wrong one automatically, b) Not all Blu-ray movies have BD-J menus, there are BDMV menus too and MythTV master supports those fine, c) BD-J specs are available, there's just nobody interested in continuing to work on the hundreds upon hundreds of classes which need to be implemented to make it work properly |
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| [01:21:50] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: he may be referring to how some movies are actually several independent titles, stitched together using the index files |
| [01:21:59] | wagnerrp: | blade runner was like that |
| [01:22:13] | wagnerrp: | there was one disk that was just the final cut in 1080p |
| [01:22:50] | wagnerrp: | and a second disk that was several different versions, segmented together from about 30 different files |
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| [01:46:03] | Oleg_: | you mean, an actual film is sometimes divided into several titles on a blu-ray disc? |
| [01:49:42] | wagnerrp: | this was an hddvd, but i assume the blurays were set up similarly |
| [01:50:00] | wagnerrp: | the different cuts of the film behaved as playlists |
| [01:50:30] | wagnerrp: | using different scenes in different sequences |
| [01:53:28] | iamlindoro: | A title in a blu-ray is a playlist of video files |
| [01:54:04] | iamlindoro: | meaning predominantly, what you re talking about is transparent to the user |
| [01:54:55] | iamlindoro: | there is, however, the concept of a playlist of playlists, which is used most commonly in Disney and Pixar movies to switch between the printed languages onscreen (signs, books, newspapers, etc. are localized) |
| [01:55:08] | iamlindoro: | However, in mythtv's HDMV navigation mode, that is handled as well |
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| [02:09:25] | michael_: | expr: warning: unportable BRE: `^4\\.[3–9]': using `^' as the first character |
| [02:09:25] | michael_: | of the basic regular expression is not portable; it is being ignored |
| [02:09:46] | michael_: | Trying to configure mythtv sources on CentOS 5.7. Is there a fix??? |
| [02:09:50] | wagnerrp: | do you have any additional context to that? |
| [02:09:56] | wagnerrp: | where are you getting that error? |
| [02:10:15] | michael_: | mythtv-0.24.1 |
| [02:10:24] | wagnerrp: | but where |
| [02:10:47] | michael_: | Right away ./configure --python=python2.7 |
| [02:11:40] | michael_: | Should I ignore this? |
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| [02:17:54] | michael_: | What I do need to install Core::SVN via CPAN on CentOS 5.7??? |
| [02:18:56] | iamlindoro: | Why would you need SVN? MythTV doesn't use SVN. |
| [02:19:16] | michael_: | I guess I needed it for git. |
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| [02:19:51] | michael_: | I'm waiting for make to crash. |
| [02:20:44] | michael_: | Is there a mythtv repository for CentOS 5? |
| [02:21:19] | wagnerrp: | centos in general, and centos 5 particularly, is highly recommended against for mythtv |
| [02:21:21] | iamlindoro: | No-- and CentOS is one of the worst choices for MythTV |
| [02:27:38] | michael_: | I'm reluctant to change to Fedora or Ubuntu because they rollover too fast and I want gnome 2. |
| [02:29:30] | wagnerrp: | thats actually the reason centos is recommended againast |
| [02:29:44] | wagnerrp: | the rollover is too slow |
| [02:30:00] | wagnerrp: | as evidenced by the fact that you had to manually install and configure python 2.7 |
| [02:30:08] | wagnerrp: | because centos 5 still runs python 2.4 |
| [02:30:39] | wagnerrp: | similar issues result from lack of tuner card support in the 2.6.18 kernel |
| [02:32:02] | wagnerrp: | but as to why you would be getting problems there |
| [02:32:25] | michael_: | That's not a problem, tuner card support, I have a silicon hd homerun network tuner. |
| [02:32:31] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is that centos uses a non-standard blend of bourne that doesnt support that form of regular expression |
| [02:32:51] | michael_: | Interesting. |
| [02:32:52] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, it could be centos actually uses bourne, while everyone else is using bash in place of bourne |
| [02:33:04] | michael_: | Eww. |
| [02:33:52] | michael_: | I guess I can save the /etc/passwd file and install Ubuntu or Fedora recreating the accounts manually... |
| [02:34:35] | wagnerrp: | either way, its not a mythtv bug |
| [02:34:56] | wagnerrp: | even if centos is not to blame, that line is inherited from ffmpeg |
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| [02:35:06] | michael_: | Still compiling, but it will crash... |
| [02:35:21] | wagnerrp: | our configure script is largely derived from theirs |
| [02:35:30] | michael_: | I think I installed ffmpeg from packages, do I need to do so from source? |
| [02:35:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses its own internal version of ffmpeg |
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| [02:35:51] | wagnerrp: | it does not link into the external libraries for any purpose |
| [02:35:52] | michael_: | Okay;-) |
| [02:36:16] | wagnerrp: | its just built around ffmpeg, so our build system is built around theirs as well |
| [02:36:22] | michael_: | A lot of deprecated warnings going by... |
| [02:38:10] | michael_: | I want to use gnome 2.8 because movies are in folders on the desktop right now. Gnome 3 doesn't allow anything on the desktop. |
| [02:38:33] | michael_: | Is a slightly dated Fedora okay? |
| [02:39:17] | [R]: | i can put folders on my desktiop in genome 3... |
| [02:39:38] | michael_: | Hunh, how do you do that??? |
| [02:39:44] | [R]: | i right clickeed and said new folder |
| [02:40:06] | michael_: | Is there a different folder behind the scenes that the files land in??? |
| [02:40:19] | [R]: | im sure once you open it you can figure out wher eit is |
| [02:40:41] | michael_: | I'm on Fedora 16, I'll experiment a bit... |
| [02:41:01] | michael_: | Right clicking on the Desktop does nothing :-( |
| [02:41:09] | [R]: | you may need to enable it with gnome tweak tool |
| [02:43:55] | michael_: | Thank you, that worked ;-) |
| [02:44:30] | michael_: | Worst comes to worst, I guess I can install Fedora 16. |
| [02:45:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to continue using centos |
| [02:45:21] | wagnerrp: | centos 6 would be decent enough for a while |
| [02:45:41] | wagnerrp: | but in time, it too will grow outdated like 5 did |
| [02:45:45] | michael_: | Does CentOS 6 work on a P4??? |
| [02:46:03] | wagnerrp: | likely before it gets replaced by 7 |
| [02:46:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why it wouldnt |
| [02:46:50] | wagnerrp: | but then i could consider a P4 to be outdated itself |
| [02:47:08] | michael_: | Well yes, but for a set top box I think it is adequate. |
| [02:47:29] | wagnerrp: | that depends... what clock speed? |
| [02:47:39] | michael_: | I can support dual core processors. 3.06 GHz. |
| [02:48:12] | wagnerrp: | 306 is about the low end of what you can expect to reliably decode all broadcast mpeg2 |
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| [02:48:39] | michael_: | Okay. So I have an NVIDIA GT220 card. |
| [02:48:42] | wagnerrp: | good enough, but barely |
| [02:49:00] | michael_: | Can the GT220 do the heavy lifting? |
| [02:49:08] | wagnerrp: | it can |
| [02:49:11] | wagnerrp: | using VDPAU |
| [02:49:36] | michael_: | Seems that VDPAU was disabled in configure step, don't know why... |
| [02:49:37] | wagnerrp: | assuming the nvidia drivers will work against that 2.6.18 kernel (i have no idea) |
| [02:49:48] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is enabled by default |
| [02:49:51] | michael_: | The proprietary driver is working. |
| [02:49:59] | wagnerrp: | and will only be disabled if the pre-reqs are not available |
| [02:50:15] | michael_: | Okay, what prereqs for VDPAU? |
| [02:50:31] | wagnerrp: | libvdpau, and the nvidia drivers |
| [02:50:51] | michael_: | Sounds like I need to install a library... |
| [02:51:44] | michael_: | An error in analogsignalmonitor.o and the compile stopped. |
| [02:52:25] | michael_: | make ***[libs] error 2. |
| [02:52:31] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: which linux distro do you personally use? |
| [02:52:40] | wagnerrp: | gentoo |
| [02:53:01] | Unguided: | do you mind if I ask why. just curious? |
| [02:53:39] | wagnerrp: | i came from bsd, and the gentoo build system was the most similar |
| [02:53:47] | michael_: | I'm going to google for libvdpau, might be back later. |
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| [02:54:30] | Unguided: | Okay. Im running into frustration with my own lack of knowledge and thought maybe a different distro might be the answer. |
| [02:55:45] | iamlindoro: | going from Ubuntu to Gentoo will not reduce your frustration |
| [02:56:15] | Unguided: | Ive tried installing mythbuntu but cant get my bluetooth keyboard to work. do you recommend installing a base distro and then adding mythbuntu to that or just installing mythbuntu from the start? |
| [02:57:19] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:57:32] | wagnerrp: | well... that all depends on what youre used to |
| [02:57:56] | wagnerrp: | someone used to centos would very likely be frustrated by gentoo |
| [02:58:44] | Unguided: | i was going to install ubuntu then install mythtv from there rather than just installing mythbuuntu alone. would that get me anywhere? |
| [02:59:33] | iamlindoro: | If this is all a matter of a keyboard, then don't install any other distro, period |
| [02:59:37] | iamlindoro: | just get your keyboard working |
| [02:59:54] | iamlindoro: | Installing Ubuntu versus mythbuntu is not going to change your keyboard's operation |
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| [03:00:13] | iamlindoro: | And for either, you can get help for your keyboard in ##ubuntu |
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| [03:01:48] | Unguided: | plus i was thinking that the screenshots from my newb book should look very similar for the other things i would like to accomplish. This is the first ever linux install of any kind. im just trying to find a solution that works for me |
| [03:02:25] | wagnerrp: | is this an ubuntu guide book? |
| [03:02:28] | iamlindoro: | For your first linux install, it is going to be hard no matter what you install-- it is *not* going to get much easier than Ubuntu or the like, however |
| [03:03:24] | iamlindoro: | Since much of what you should be learning to actually know linux should be at the command line, whatever desktop manager you choose to use will not really matter |
| [03:03:27] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: yes. it is ubuntu 2011 unleashed. i was hoping to get up and running fairly quickly |
| [03:03:53] | iamlindoro: | And since most distros tend to change WM/DM entirely every release or two, anything you learn about one isn't going to be relevant for long |
| [03:04:39] | _abbenormal: | thats why command line is a better way to learn linux |
| [03:05:41] | Unguided: | Okay. Then i guess i have to learn to search more effectively to find the answers to my questions |
| [03:05:43] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, the command line is the only way to learn "linux" |
| [03:05:56] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | if you learn some GUI, you are learning some distro-specific tool |
| [03:06:13] | wagnerrp: | in which case youre now learning "ubuntu" or "fedora" or "suse" or... |
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| [03:06:42] | _abbenormal: | personally i tell folks to use a txt file and keep command in it with something saying what the line does |
| [03:06:52] | wagnerrp: | and even command line knowledge only goes so far as the basic set of GNU utilities |
| [03:07:05] | wagnerrp: | each init system has its own quirks |
| [03:07:13] | wagnerrp: | each package system behaves in its own way |
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| [03:07:44] | wagnerrp: | i know my way around freebsd and gentoo systems pretty well |
| [03:07:46] | _abbenormal: | yes each distro does but the basics is about the same |
| [03:07:57] | wagnerrp: | but im fairly lost doing things in ubuntu the "proper ubuntu" way |
| [03:08:21] | _abbenormal: | me too and i use ubuntu but debian is where i like to play |
| [03:08:25] | wagnerrp: | sure, i could bend it to my will using low level stuff, but then that would break all their fancy higher level gui stuff |
| [03:09:26] | Unguided: | okay. then i will go back and try to figure out why the keyboard is not working. I will get this because i can and want to learn it |
| [03:09:57] | _abbenormal: | yuppie you have to follow there rules for sure but its the same in bsd and gentoo |
| [03:11:10] | _abbenormal: | it took me a few years to decide on my main os to use had to try a bunch just to figure out what worked best for me |
| [03:12:24] | _abbenormal: | as far as myth and ease of setup i think mythubuntu has about the safest setup to start with but that the choice you have to make i say try one then try another |
| [03:12:26] | Unguided: | okay. |
| [03:14:09] | _abbenormal: | dont give up is the best i can tell ya you know others have it working so its you and the setup its tuff and if it was easy it would be windows |
| [03:14:54] | _abbenormal: | then the ? is what would you learn from that |
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| [03:17:53] | _abbenormal: | sorry to jump in there iamlindoro and wagnerrp |
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| [03:33:49] | Unguided: | Your right. I WILL get it working. |
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| [04:12:55] | Hilikus: | hey guys. I want to record HD from my STP. Is there an internal card that does that? I saw the pcHDTV but I'm not sure that one works. I also saw the hauppauge box on the mythtv website but I want something internal |
| [04:13:15] | [R]: | stp? |
| [04:14:11] | Hilikus: | set top box |
| [04:14:34] | [R]: | pchdtv is for atsc(and possibly qam) signals |
| [04:14:42] | [R]: | your set top box doesnjt output that |
| [04:14:58] | [R]: | the only way to record hd from a set top box, is with the hdpvr |
| [04:15:01] | Hilikus: | no. the only HD output is hdmi or component |
| [04:15:24] | wagnerrp: | thats exactly what hes saying |
| [04:15:28] | Hilikus: | hdpvr is the external one right? |
| [04:15:34] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: i know |
| [04:16:03] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is the only such device supported with by the standard linux recorder interfaces |
| [04:16:45] | wagnerrp: | the Colossus does not work in linux, and i believe the avermedia devices do not either |
| [04:16:58] | wagnerrp: | the black magic units only work with black magic's special capture API |
| [04:18:07] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: and is there a linux version for the special API? |
| [04:18:29] | wagnerrp: | as in... the black magic device works in linux, but only with their special capture api |
| [04:18:43] | wagnerrp: | not something mythtv is designed to use |
| [04:18:43] | Hilikus: | i oh ok |
| [04:18:49] | [R]: | and regardless... you can't record encrypted hdmi |
| [04:19:38] | wagnerrp: | sure you can |
| [04:20:08] | [R]: | how? |
| [04:20:22] | wagnerrp: | its just a data stream |
| [04:20:26] | [R]: | ahha |
| [04:20:37] | [R]: | you can't usefully record... |
| [04:20:44] | wagnerrp: | all you need is a disk subsystem capable of handling a couple Gbps |
| [04:20:52] | Hilikus: | what protection is there to prevent a card that works as a tv which receives a decripted digital signal on HDMI from a STB? |
| [04:21:09] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: HDCP... as [R] states, it is encrypted |
| [04:21:15] | [R]: | there is no such thing as a "card that works as a tv" |
| [04:21:59] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: no but i mean after its decrypted by the STP. im sure form the STB to the tv is unecrypted, right? i don't belive the tv does the decryption |
| [04:22:23] | [R]: | the stbv is the one uotputting the hdmi |
| [04:22:27] | [R]: | we jsut told you the hdmi is encrypted |
| [04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: you would be incorrect |
| [04:22:34] | wagnerrp: | the HDMI is encrypted using HDCP |
| [04:22:35] | clever: | HDCP is used to encrypt the HDMI link, to prevent that |
| [04:22:56] | Hilikus: | mmm i thought that's why you needed a STB, to decrypt the signal coming from the TVSP |
| [04:23:02] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [04:23:28] | wagnerrp: | the STB decrypts the signal, decodes it, and the encrypts it again to send over HDMI |
| [04:23:40] | wagnerrp: | or uses component, which cannot be encrypted |
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| [04:24:18] | Hilikus: | yeah, i knew analog was my only choice, but i was hoping that by now there would be something internal :S |
| [04:24:32] | ** [R] waits for wagnerrp to get the internal hdpvr link ** | |
| [04:25:00] | wagnerrp: | its always so hard to find... |
| [04:25:15] | Hilikus: | what? some cancelled product or something? |
| [04:25:17] | Hilikus: | vaporware? |
| [04:25:54] | [R]: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally |
| [04:25:56] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: no, you remove the HDPVR from its box, mount it to the inside of the case, and wire it to an internal USB header and power |
| [04:26:07] | Hilikus: | wow |
| [04:35:11] | Hilikus: | looks like futureshop got their specs wrong. it says the hdpvr has an hdmi input |
| [04:35:37] | Hilikus: | $230 |
| [04:38:43] | [R]: | the collusus does |
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| [04:43:52] | Hilikus: | and what's the problem with that one? no linux drivers? |
| [04:45:29] | wagnerrp: | and little chance of linux drivers |
| [04:48:19] | Hilikus: | crap |
| [04:51:41] | iamlindoro: | and still only supports *unecnrypted* HDMI |
| [04:52:14] | iamlindoro: | Meaning useless with your Cable box, Blu-ray player, etc. |
| [04:59:30] | Hilikus: | well, i could still use its component input instead. I don't care so much for digital, what i don't like about the hdpvr is the fact that its external, and its too expensive |
| [04:59:50] | wagnerrp: | who is your TV provider? |
| [04:59:54] | Hilikus: | bell |
| [05:00:15] | wagnerrp: | which bell? |
| [05:00:16] | Hilikus: | wait, no. videotron. quebec cable company |
| [05:00:28] | wagnerrp: | ah... so cablecard isnt an option |
| [05:01:08] | Hilikus: | what do you mean? |
| [05:01:40] | [R]: | i thought the hdpvr was cheap |
| [05:02:15] | [R]: | hrm 180.... i think i paid less than that |
| [05:07:59] | Hilikus: | it's 180 at amazon.com |
| [05:08:06] | Hilikus: | 230 at futureshop |
| [05:08:15] | Hilikus: | cant find it in canada for less than that |
| [05:08:35] | wagnerrp: | is that simply the difference between canadian and us dollars? |
| [05:09:05] | [R]: | i thought the canadian money was "better" than the usd |
| [05:09:22] | wagnerrp: | could be, i dont know |
| [05:09:25] | [R]: | 180 US dollars = 184.8240 Canadian dollars |
| [05:10:13] | Hilikus: | nah, its 1:1 pretty much right now, the difference is just that everything here is more expensive withour a reason |
| [05:11:39] | Hilikus: | it is a smaller market i guess |
| [05:12:41] | [R]: | http://www.amazon.ca/Hd-Pvr-Recorder-Componen . . . 1&sr=8-2 |
| [05:12:46] | [R]: | i thought they spoke english in canada |
| [05:12:48] | [R]: | that title makes NO SENSE |
| [05:13:18] | Hilikus: | lol |
| [05:13:24] | [R]: | that pages also lies and says it can do 1080p |
| [05:13:50] | [R]: | crazy canadians |
| [05:15:16] | Hilikus: | its probably a custom made-for-canadian version that supports 1080p |
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| [05:16:24] | Hilikus: | how long do you guys think it will be until TVSPs start broadcasting in 1080p? |
| [05:16:43] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing |
| [05:17:06] | [R]: | rofl |
| [05:18:09] | Hilikus: | i'm sure it will come |
| [05:18:14] | Hilikus: | in time |
| [05:19:13] | [R]: | cable companies and satellite companies are alreyad doing it |
| [05:19:42] | Hilikus: | really? i've never heard that. i'll look it up |
| [05:20:37] | Hilikus: | well, thanks for the info guys |
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| [09:15:04] | ServerSage: | So I'm transcoding some stuff to a lower quality, and it's taking FOREVER. I'm currently trying a 2.1GB hour long recording from a HD-PVR using "mythnuv2mkv.sh --chanid=3750 --starttime=20111217125900 --quality=med --copydir=/tmp/". It's been running for over 7 hours and is only 47% through. It's going at 4.6fps, and is barely using any CPU. The drive is only occasionally running as well. Any thoughts? Or is this normal? |
| [09:16:01] | ServerSage: | Oh, and this is on an AMD Phenom X4 970 with 16GB of RAM. |
| [09:16:36] | wagnerrp: | transcoding HD recordings is simply going to take a long time |
| [09:16:43] | wagnerrp: | transcoding to h264, that much more so |
| [09:16:50] | wagnerrp: | transcoding from h264 all that much more |
| [09:17:05] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: But 14 hours on a phenom 970? |
| [09:18:37] | wagnerrp: | decent quality for a half hour recording on that processor should take maybea sixth that |
| [09:19:44] | Scopeuk: | ServerSage, is there pleanty of avaliable memory |
| [09:20:05] | ServerSage: | Scopeuk: Total of 16GB in the system, and myth is the only thing running on it. |
| [09:20:10] | Scopeuk: | ok |
| [09:20:23] | Scopeuk: | i knew you were plannign on fidelign with my sql's memory pools yesterday |
| [09:20:26] | ServerSage: | Scopeuk: Just looked, claims 4GB free. |
| [09:20:37] | ServerSage: | Scopeuk: Yeah, didn't make it that far. Hehe. |
| [09:20:46] | wagnerrp: | ServerSage: why are you transcoding? |
| [09:21:41] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Trying to watch shows remotely. The flash stuff in myth web on .24.1 is pretty flakey. |
| [09:23:26] | ServerSage: | If there is a better way to watch recordings remotely (over the internet) I'm all ears. This has been a struggle for a while. |
| [09:23:34] | wagnerrp: | would just taking the whole original recording with you on a hard drive be an option? |
| [09:23:55] | wagnerrp: | the only real need for such remote watching is if you want to access something shortly after it records |
| [09:24:04] | wagnerrp: | or if you are away from your local network for an extended duration |
| [09:24:26] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Thats what I have been doing, but if I'm on a long trip...exactly. |
| [09:25:53] | wagnerrp: | i would just say that anything you may implement for 0.24 would be deprecated by 0.25 |
| [09:27:05] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Probably true. |
| [09:28:24] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: Don't suppose 0.25 is at a point where it's *mostly* usable…. :-D |
| [09:29:41] | wagnerrp: | when i say it would be deprecated by 0.25, its not there yet |
| [09:29:49] | wagnerrp: | the transcoder is built into the backend |
| [09:29:56] | wagnerrp: | but there is no proxy through mythweb to access it |
| [09:30:19] | ServerSage: | Gotcha. Grrr, just can't win. |
| [09:31:09] | ServerSage: | I'm sure everything will be working perfectly by the end of hockey season. lol |
| [09:41:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in this myth_upcoming_recordings, what is the purpose of the last two lines in status_print? |
| [09:41:31] | wagnerrp: | they seem out of place |
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| [16:25:19] | gizmobay: | I'm having a problem writing to my fanart directory. I go into mythtv-setup and I make sure my directory says /path/to/fan/art but when I exit out of mythtv-setup it says can't write to /path/to/fan/art//.test. |
| [16:25:34] | gizmobay: | Where is the .test coming from? |
| [16:26:09] | kormoc: | we try to write that file to check if we can write to it |
| [16:26:21] | kormoc: | we delete it after we are done if permissions are correct |
| [16:27:52] | gizmobay: | okay thanks |
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| [17:23:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: The first "field" (using "MythTV protocol separators" of []:[]) is the display (for HTML page), the 2nd is the name, and the 3rd is the value in the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Miscellaneous_Stat . . . utput_Format . Those end up being ... []:[]recording0[]:[]12/17, 1:30 PM – Woodturning Workshop – Trent Bosh; Surface Decoration . The name and value are used in creating the XML output. |
| [17:24:43] | sphery: | the XML will use <Information display="field1" value="field3" name="field2" /> type construct to present it all to the requester, but the HTML will ignore name and value if display is provided |
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| [17:25:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: example: http://pastebin.com/ZMU9sZvX (though looks like we aren't properly escaping handling the quotes...) |
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| [17:34:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oops.... we /are/ handling quotes properly--the copy/paste from firefox unescaped them... real XML output is: http://pastebin.com/LC9feH2V |
| [17:35:10] | sphery: | (note, also, that "No conflicts" is coming from a different script's output) |
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| [18:44:10] | squidly: | what's the best filesystem for HD recoarding? |
| [18:44:57] | squidly: | I'm currently using ext3. I was wondering if xfs was better |
| [18:45:17] | kormoc: | squidly, unlikely to matter |
| [18:49:04] | squidly: | kormoc: ok I didnt think so. My backend has been acking funny and I was trying to figure out what was going on with it. (Ie locking up) but never in a way I could verify or preditct |
| [18:49:21] | squidly: | I was testing the the networking, and various file systems |
| [18:49:40] | squidly: | Seeing if I could verify what was going wrong |
| [18:53:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so then thats special behavior of the status handling scripts? not a mistake? |
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| [19:12:08] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [19:12:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery... theres that ramfs mysql comment |
| [19:12:49] | wagnerrp: | if you, or maybe kormoc, would want to reply to that |
| [19:14:18] | kormoc: | where? |
| [19:14:29] | wagnerrp: | mailing list |
| [19:14:50] | wagnerrp: | our favorite softcam user |
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| [19:21:16] | squidly: | wow ramfs for mysql.. |
| [19:22:15] | kormoc: | I think it's an awesome idea for him |
| [19:22:16] | wagnerrp: | someone comes up with such foolish ideas every couple months |
| [19:22:19] | kormoc: | I hope he reboots often |
| [19:22:26] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [19:22:37] | squidly: | hah kormoc |
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| [19:25:34] | dekarl: | man, that would be cool. using a ramdisk so mysql doesnt slow down to a crawl when sorting in 6gb temporary tables... Ohh wait, I don't hace 6gb spare ;) |
| [19:26:13] | squidly: | dekarl: 6gb of RAM |
| [19:26:42] | dekarl: | not even 6gb of spare(!) memory |
| [19:27:08] | squidly: | heh I dont even have 6gb of ram on my systems anyways! |
| [19:27:27] | dekarl: | but that would only be for one select's temporary table... I'd need some place to put the rest of mysql's data, too |
| [19:28:48] | iamlindoro: | [mythtv-users] ramfs for mysql |
| [19:28:50] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA |
| [19:29:01] | iamlindoro: | Weren't we literally talking about what a stupid idea that would be just yesterday? |
| [19:29:24] | iamlindoro: | Does someone flag #mythtv-users for the term "retarded idea" and use that as a criteria for selecting a project? |
| [19:29:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i joked sphery should mention something about that as a joke |
| [19:29:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall the context |
| [19:30:05] | wagnerrp: | might have been something related to the innodb discussions |
| [19:31:44] | iamlindoro: | !url tuners |
| [19:31:44] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:31:51] | iamlindoro: | is what I would say if whatshisname were here |
| [19:32:27] | dekarl: | copied it over to #mythbuntu |
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| [19:34:40] | wagnerrp: | oh, i was responding to this... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /325296.html |
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| [19:36:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: right, it's for the misc status info format... feel free to change it if you like |
| [19:37:15] | sphery: | (again, or just remove it and make status page show only official backend status and we can put other stuff in other services) |
| [19:38:28] | sphery: | basically, the idea was that for some info, a machine readable value is nice to have, whereas we still want pretty formatted display value available (i.e. like with temperature--we can include the deg symbol and scale on display and leave it off of machine value) |
| [19:39:31] | sphery: | Funny about the ramfs post |
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| [19:42:22] | Aliv3: | Under capture card setup I have analog device, it wasnt seeing the card I wanted so I set the location manually, and it sees probbed info but incorrectly, but seems to work, what do I set for other information like vbi |
| [19:43:15] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
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| [19:44:47] | Aliv3: | ati tuner |
| [19:44:55] | wagnerrp: | what tuner? |
| [19:46:18] | devinheitmueller: | There aren't really very many ATI tuners supported under Linux. The only one that comes to mind is the 600 USB. |
| [19:47:00] | wagnerrp: | those that are worth using are all digital tuners |
| [19:47:07] | wagnerrp: | not much sense using one for analog |
| [19:48:32] | Aliv3: | ok nvm i got that part figured out |
| [19:48:52] | Aliv3: | im on video source setup now what do i do |
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| [19:49:09] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: you still haven't told us which model tuner you have. |
| [19:49:43] | devinheitmueller: | The proper course of action is largely dependent on which tuner it is. |
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| [19:55:11] | wagnerrp: | kormoc or sphery: may want to respond quick, already have had one positive recommendation |
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| [19:56:12] | Aliv3: | i forgot :( its amd->desktop->hd ati->4xxx series something |
| [19:56:28] | wagnerrp: | meaning its a digital tuner, not analog |
| [19:57:48] | wagnerrp: | where is the TV from? digital cable? digital broadcast? |
| [19:57:49] | devinheitmueller: | You would have to be more specific. Sounds like one of the really old cx88 boards |
| [19:57:53] | Aliv3: | hm? its a graphics card with tuner built in |
| [19:58:02] | Aliv3: | its from a sattelite box from directv |
| [19:58:26] | wagnerrp: | the output from an STB will be analog, not digital |
| [19:58:31] | wagnerrp: | and will not be usable by that card |
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| [19:58:42] | devinheitmueller: | Almost none of the ATI products are supported. |
| [19:58:44] | devinheitmueller: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI |
| [19:58:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: since you reminded me how he's getting his TV, I'm not all that interested in helping :) |
| [19:58:51] | devinheitmueller: | What makes you think the device works under Linux at all? |
| [19:58:55] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to capture standard definition or high definition? |
| [19:59:22] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think ATI was still doing AIW boards |
| [19:59:42] | devinheitmueller: | My guess is that this is a *really* old board. |
| [19:59:56] | wagnerrp: | he said 4xxx series |
| [20:00:13] | sphery: | I read what he said to be "an HD4xxx /video/ card" |
| [20:00:43] | sphery: | but, since he says it has built-in tuner... |
| [20:02:14] | sphery: | don't see any AIW cards listed at http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphi . . . -series.aspx |
| [20:02:57] | wagnerrp: | seems the latest is a 3xxx series board |
| [20:02:58] | devinheitmueller: | He needs to provide the exact model number. Otherwise he's just wasting everybody's time. |
| [20:03:40] | sphery: | yep |
| [20:08:41] | Aliv3: | ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] I plan to use vga |
| [20:08:58] | iamlindoro: | VGA to do what? That's not a tuner. |
| [20:09:11] | Aliv3: | It works in windows 7 |
| [20:09:26] | wagnerrp: | windows is not linux |
| [20:09:36] | iamlindoro: | and even in Windows 7, that's not a tuner |
| [20:09:51] | Aliv3: | that what am I looking for for a tuner ? |
| [20:09:52] | iamlindoro: | least of all one which captures VGA |
| [20:10:01] | wagnerrp: | so you dont have a tuner card? |
| [20:10:03] | iamlindoro: | Do you *own* a tuner? |
| [20:10:04] | Aliv3: | I know theres a tuner on my computer somewhere |
| [20:10:20] | wagnerrp: | run 'lspci' and paste the contents to a pastebin |
| [20:10:42] | Aliv3: | enless im really badly misunderstanding tuner because i can watch tv on windows so i assume that means i have a tuner somewhere and I know its a built in card |
| [20:11:16] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you do, but your video card does not have tuning capability, and likely does not have capture ability |
| [20:11:27] | wagnerrp: | pastebin the output of lspci |
| [20:11:47] | devinheitmueller: | Figure out where the TV input is connected to, yank that card out of the system, and see what it says. |
| [20:12:30] | wagnerrp: | this is a commercial home theater system? |
| [20:12:38] | wagnerrp: | like something you bought from dell or hp? |
| [20:14:22] | sphery: | maybe it's one of those bt7.6 tuners? (and, no, I don't mean Brooktree) |
| [20:14:42] | iamlindoro: | He watches linux distributions from windows all the time |
| [20:14:47] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [20:15:21] | iamlindoro: | can't even keep his IRC client running |
| [20:15:23] | devinheitmueller: | Well, then. Another satisfied customer. |
| [20:15:25] | iamlindoro: | this will not go well |
| [20:15:32] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: perhaps he pulled the card while his system was still running |
| [20:15:38] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:15:39] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [20:15:51] | wagnerrp: | you should have been more specific |
| [20:16:02] | iamlindoro: | The coax is the big fat three pronged black thing in the back, right? |
| [20:16:31] | iamlindoro: | TV comes from the wall, so that must be it |
| [20:17:46] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, no, a coax (or properly, co-ax) is an ax that is owned and shared by two individuals |
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| [20:19:51] | Aliv3: | looks like im misunderstanding this |
| [20:20:24] | Aliv3: | is the tuner the card I plug the tv cable into or the usb thing that i put infront of the tuner box to change the channel |
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| [20:20:36] | wagnerrp: | do you have a threaded coaxial connector on the back of your computer? |
| [20:20:36] | Aliv3: | http://pastebin.com/tBjfHY0z |
| [20:20:59] | Aliv3: | yes |
| [20:22:15] | sphery: | 03:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23887/8 PCIe Broadcast Audio and Video Decoder with 3D Comb (rev 0f) |
| [20:22:54] | sphery: | isn't that what's in the HVR-1250? |
| [20:23:53] | wagnerrp: | could be |
| [20:24:10] | wagnerrp: | no, mine shows up as a 23885 |
| [20:24:15] | wagnerrp: | unless thats a new version |
| [20:24:18] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, cx23888 can be either a 1250 or an 1800 |
| [20:24:25] | devinheitmueller: | pardon, 1850, not 1800 |
| [20:24:46] | devinheitmueller: | Hauppauge isn't the only one that uses the cx23887/8 though. |
| [20:25:03] | devinheitmueller: | IF he does "lspci -n", you can tell for sure. |
| [20:25:10] | wagnerrp: | the 1800/1850 still doesnt work with mythtv does it? |
| [20:25:13] | wagnerrp: | (for analog) |
| [20:25:22] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yeah, still problems for analog for which the fixes never got upstream. |
| [20:25:33] | devinheitmueller: | If it was bundled with a PC, it's probably a 1250. |
| [20:25:36] | wagnerrp: | upstream in mythtv or in the drivers? |
| [20:25:37] | sphery: | yeah, was just hopeful that he has a Hauppauge card, since it would mean he'd have a chance |
| [20:25:53] | wagnerrp: | well if its a 1250, there is no analog support at all |
| [20:25:55] | sphery: | though 1250 for analog would be bad |
| [20:25:58] | Aliv3: | http://pastebin.com/j27gtf87 lspci -n |
| [20:26:05] | wagnerrp: | not even analog you wouldnt want to record from |
| [20:26:22] | devinheitmueller: | Doh. Add a "-v" to that too. |
| [20:26:27] | devinheitmueller: | (we need to see the PCI subvendor info) |
| [20:26:37] | wagnerrp: | Avermedia M792 |
| [20:26:41] | Aliv3: | lspci -n -v ? |
| [20:26:45] | devinheitmueller: | yes |
| [20:27:20] | sphery: | or even lspci -nv |
| [20:27:21] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:27:35] | Aliv3: | http://pastebin.com/pVa3tFbF lspci -n -v |
| [20:27:38] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_M . . . _Combo_(OEM) |
| [20:27:48] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: why do you think it's an M792? |
| [20:27:50] | wagnerrp: | currently not supported, according to the linuxtv wiki |
| [20:28:01] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: 14f1:8880 is just the conexant cx23888 PCI ID. |
| [20:28:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [20:28:42] | devinheitmueller: | On the other hand, the subvendor info being 1461:de39 does confirm you're correct. |
| [20:28:47] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [20:29:29] | devinheitmueller: | That said, he's SOL. |
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| [20:30:48] | sphery: | perhaps time to work on his device driver programming and reverse-engineering skills? |
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| [20:32:05] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: it could certainly be made to work (all the core chips are supported). But it's a nontrivial effort. |
| [20:32:10] | sphery: | Aliv3: seriously, though, that card won't work in Linux ( http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMed . . . bo_%28OEM%29 ). So, you'll either need to get a different capture device that does work in Linux or you'll need to stick with Windows |
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| [20:32:30] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, was just a joke |
| [20:33:08] | devinheitmueller: | Also, on the analog side it would have the exact same issues as the HVR-1850 (since the issues are in the cx23885 driver) |
| [20:33:43] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [20:33:43] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:33:52] | sphery: | Aliv3: ^^^ place to start if looking for a replacement card |
| [20:34:12] | devinheitmueller: | Digital could probably be bootstrapped in a few hours. Would just need to identify the GPIO setup, and figure out the IF config for the lgdt3304 driver. |
| [20:35:02] | wagnerrp: | but its no good for satellite |
| [20:35:03] | devinheitmueller: | Given Avermedia's stance with the GPL though, they can go F themselves as far as I'm concerned. |
| [20:35:04] | Aliv3: | hu what do you mean? hows digital work anyways? is it like internet tv or does it still use my sattelite box |
| [20:35:08] | Aliv3: | where do i bootstrap digital |
| [20:35:23] | wagnerrp: | Aliv3: digital means digital broadcast (ATSC) or digital cable (QAM) |
| [20:35:37] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: it would take a few hours for someone who is familiar with the technology. It would take 100x as long for you to do it. |
| [20:35:37] | wagnerrp: | there are no satellite tuners available for services like directv |
| [20:35:43] | wagnerrp: | you have to use a set top box |
| [20:35:52] | wagnerrp: | and you have to capture the analog outputs from such |
| [20:36:05] | wagnerrp: | so... do you want to capture standard or high definition? |
| [20:36:07] | Aliv3: | Where do I start/learn?? |
| [20:36:18] | Aliv3: | standard is fine, but hd would be nice |
| [20:36:28] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1045 |
| [20:36:46] | wagnerrp: | do you have any PCI slots? or are they all PCIe and or filled? |
| [20:36:57] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: your best bet is probably to just buy an HD-PVR off of NewEgg. |
| [20:37:39] | Aliv3: | ok well ill be back in a few say what you want ill read it when im back. and all my slots are filled, its a prebuilt slimline, very limited space, so i have video and graphics |
| [20:38:18] | wagnerrp: | if you have no internal space, your option are an old PVR-USB2 or new HVR-1950 for standard definition |
| [20:38:24] | wagnerrp: | or as mentioned, an HDPVR for HD |
| [20:38:38] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, if Avermedia is anti-GPL, I'm all for its not being supported... Not a problem, IMHO, if Linux users are forced to reward the companies that understand FOSS (like Hauppauge) |
| [20:40:11] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: to be clear, I have no problem with closed source solutions. But you can't take a bunch of open source code, modify it, recompile it to binary form, and ship it as your own without abiding by the GPL. |
| [20:40:31] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [20:41:20] | squidly: | has anyone has mythtv studden stops during a comflag or transcode corupt a file system |
| [20:41:20] | devinheitmueller: | Some companies don't like the GPL and prefer closed source. I don't have a problem with that. But then the consequence of that is you need to *not* use GPL code. |
| [20:41:34] | sphery: | I will say that I have a strong preference for open source when possible... though I'm pragmatic enough to admit when it's not the right solution (like for video drivers on a MythTV frontend machine--for that I use nvidia proprietary) |
| [20:41:38] | ** devinheitmueller is done ranting. ** | |
| [20:42:11] | sphery: | squidly: what's "sudden stops"? |
| [20:42:20] | squidly: | server crashed hardcore |
| [20:42:27] | squidly: | or power failure |
| [20:42:36] | sphery: | then mythtv was completely unrelated to the corruption |
| [20:42:44] | squidly: | I though so. |
| [20:43:21] | sphery: | if what you're asking is, "After a hard crash, MythTV won't work, anymore, saying something in the logs about crashed MySQL tables," then you need to repair the MySQL tables by running optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [20:43:38] | sphery: | s/asking/saying/ |
| [20:43:54] | squidly: | sphery: no.. I'm talking about the FS for the tvshow recoardings |
| [20:44:27] | sphery: | ah... :( |
| [20:44:32] | squidly: | yea.. |
| [20:44:33] | sphery: | could result in many lost recordings |
| [20:44:39] | squidly: | yea exacly |
| [20:44:41] | Aliv3: | back |
| [20:44:54] | sphery: | squidly: so, what you /will/ eventually want to know is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [20:44:56] | squidly: | but a fsck came back.. but I did a fsck -fvp. |
| [20:45:04] | squidly: | sphery: yep. |
| [20:45:17] | squidly: | I think I have that downloaded already |
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| [20:45:43] | Aliv3: | will a plusTV work? |
| [20:45:59] | squidly: | my I ran a bonnie++ of the FS and it reset my server. so I think that could have been causing my FS coruption |
| [20:46:13] | squidly: | s/causing/caused by |
| [20:46:24] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: you mean a K-World card? Maybe. It's a crap shoot. |
| [20:46:49] | wagnerrp: | Aliv3: one way or another, youre going to have to purchase hardware to make what you want work |
| [20:46:57] | sphery: | Aliv3: as a proud owner of a new Hauppauge HVR-2250, I highly recommend the Hauppauge devices |
| [20:47:11] | wagnerrp: | in which case, it is suggested you use one of the hauppauge hardware encoders, rather than any framegrabber |
| [20:47:19] | squidly: | I highly recomend Hauppage and the HdHomerun Prime as well |
| [20:47:22] | Aliv3: | me has no moneys |
| [20:47:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp mentioned the USB-connected Hauppauge devices that will work for satellite capture, above |
| [20:47:34] | wagnerrp: | squidly: he needs analog capture |
| [20:47:36] | Aliv3: | I have no money* |
| [20:47:41] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ahh ok.. |
| [20:47:51] | squidly: | SD or HD? |
| [20:47:52] | wagnerrp: | Aliv3: so try to find an old PVR-USB2 |
| [20:48:10] | squidly: | I just retired my old pvr-150 and pvr-250 |
| [20:48:15] | Aliv3: | No I mean like $0.00 can't get anything |
| [20:48:27] | wagnerrp: | well then linux simply isnt an option |
| [20:48:33] | wagnerrp: | since your hardware is not supported in linux |
| [20:48:36] | devinheitmueller: | Aliv3: well then I guess you aren't going to have a MythTV box then. |
| [20:48:47] | wagnerrp: | no linux means no mythtv |
| [20:48:51] | sphery: | and, in truth, running a luxury DVR (like MythTV) isn't a good choice when money is tight |
| [20:49:02] | squidly: | yep.. |
| [20:49:42] | Aliv3: | So where do I find about this digital tv bootleg stuff |
| [20:49:49] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [20:50:04] | sphery: | likely you should read channel rules at this point |
| [20:50:24] | wagnerrp: | and the topic, specifically the last sentence in the topic |
| [20:50:25] | sphery: | specifically: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content |
| [20:53:29] | squidly: | oh is there a way to dl the TV station icons outside of mythtv-setup? |
| [20:53:43] | squidly: | (and put them in the correct place for myth)? |
| [20:53:56] | wagnerrp: | you can download your own and insert them into the database manually |
| [20:54:04] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv-setup is the only programmed interface to do so |
| [20:54:05] | squidly: | that is what I thought. |
| [20:54:12] | squidly: | ok I will wait until I get home then thanks wagnerrp |
| [20:55:55] | sphery: | channel_icons.pl |
| [20:56:36] | sphery: | squidly: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . ster_iconmap ... but do /not/ do any of the master_iconmap stuff |
| [20:57:23] | squidly: | sphery: coolness thanks! |
| [20:57:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I may have to create a wiki contrib script to do channel icons... especially now that the mythtv.org channel service database is so woefully out of date and attempts to fix it to include links for high-resolution images have failed miserably (not because of technology, but getting the owner to find the time) |
| [20:58:02] | sphery: | then I can delete that whole dir |
| [20:58:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: interactive graphical or command-line? |
| [20:58:35] | sphery: | maybe start with command-line, then go graphical |
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| [20:59:44] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be better to implement something into the services api |
| [20:59:56] | wagnerrp: | and add access through the backend setup |
| [21:00:15] | wagnerrp: | considering thats going to be the end result at some point anyway |
| [21:01:01] | sphery: | yes, but it won't help 0.24-fixes users, who are the ones wanting it, now |
| [21:01:26] | sphery: | I think there's already something in the backend setup for setting up icons, already |
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| [21:29:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: one other thing, i noticed that QUERY_GETALLPENDING returns past recordings |
| [21:29:10] | wagnerrp: | anything in the past 24 hours or so |
| [21:29:19] | wagnerrp: | although your example data doesn't exhibit such |
| [21:29:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont see anything in that script to filter out old entries |
| [21:29:47] | sphery: | I've been running my examples with time filters |
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| [21:30:07] | sphery: | (you mean the upcoming/recent recordings stuff, right?) |
| [21:30:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but those are forward filters |
| [21:30:19] | wagnerrp: | myth_upcoming_recordings |
| [21:31:05] | wagnerrp: | right now, the first thing that shows up is a Big Bang Theory match from last night at 7PM |
| [21:31:09] | sphery: | you're passing the 2 argument? |
| [21:31:32] | wagnerrp: | -1? -2? |
| [21:31:50] | sphery: | $Myth->backend_rows('QUERY_GETALLPENDING', 2); |
| [21:31:59] | sphery: | looking to see what that is |
| [21:32:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, isnt that just something to remove the header? |
| [21:32:13] | sphery: | could be |
| [21:33:03] | sphery: | might have been a change in master that causes previously-recorded stuff to show up? |
| [21:33:32] | sphery: | as my first one is tonight's burn notice (even with no filters) |
| [21:33:39] | wagnerrp: | there are two initial values, number of conflicts and number of total programs |
| [21:33:45] | wagnerrp: | the 2 tells it to filter out those |
| [21:34:09] | sphery: | yeah, just saying that in -fixes, QUERY_GETALLPENDING doesn't return past stuff |
| [21:34:20] | sphery: | so there must have been a change (intentional or otherwise) in master to change that |
| [21:35:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean its easy enough to make sure endtime<now |
| [21:35:26] | sphery: | after github is done locking up my system, I'll look it up |
| [21:35:40] | squidly: | that find orphains script wants to look at my local host for the database |
| [21:35:50] | wagnerrp: | squidly: no it doesnt |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | it wants to look where you told it to look for the database |
| [21:36:15] | sphery: | seems someone is running it as a user without a valid config.xml? |
| [21:36:35] | wagnerrp: | it reads the config.xml, then it falls through to upnp, then it tries mythtv:mythtv@localhost/mythconverg as a last resort |
| [21:37:41] | squidly: | oh the backend had to be running.. |
| [21:37:51] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:38:03] | wagnerrp: | it does not perform any file access on its own |
| [21:38:13] | wagnerrp: | it merely tells the backend what to do |
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| [21:41:04] | squidly: | ok thanks.. that was the issues. and where I was running it from. I had to run it from my home dir |
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| [21:59:49] | dekarl: | devinheitmueller: is the info that the hauppauge nova t-500 doesnt like soft reboots from your blog still current? (I don't see that mentioned at http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500 ) If so, what is the safe reboot? (do I have to disconnect the mains?) |
| [22:03:06] | devinheitmueller: | dekarl: I cannot say whether it's still applicable. There were some fixes a couple of months ago which might have an effect on the timing. That said, if it is still a problem then the only safe means of reboot is a power cycle (which actually kills power to the PCI card). You don't need to actually disconnect the power cord. |
| [22:04:36] | dekarl: | ok, I wasn't sure about the lines that are powered even in standby |
| [22:04:46] | clever: | what about going into standby and then waking it up? |
| [22:05:03] | clever: | ive found 2 of my sound cards ocasionaly lock up and standby cuts enough power to reset it |
| [22:05:45] | devinheitmueller: | Largely depends on the logic in the driver. Standby does keep card going to the actual cards, but the driver may receive the standby event and power down particular parts of the card (and not restore them properly when exiting standby). |
| [22:05:57] | devinheitmueller: | s/does keep card/does keep power/ |
| [22:06:12] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: am I supposed to ping the linux-media ML again for the HD-PVR changes? not sure of the protocol – for ffmpeg you sometimes have to ping them for years |
| [22:06:29] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: is your patch in patchworks? |
| [22:06:36] | clever: | devinheitmueller: its actualy that standby fixes things |
| [22:06:48] | clever: | it ocasionaly hangs at run-time and the suspend/resume event wakes it uo |
| [22:06:56] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I don't even know what patchworks is :) |
| [22:06:59] | devinheitmueller: | clever: almost certainly a driver problem. |
| [22:07:03] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: http://patchwork.linuxtv.org/project/linux-media/list/ |
| [22:07:04] | clever: | yeah |
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| [22:07:19] | clever: | i'm guessing a race condition leading to mutex troubles |
| [22:07:20] | crak: | hi all |
| [22:07:27] | clever: | havent done much to debug it yet |
| [22:07:53] | crak: | i am trying to get xmltv work with epgdata.com |
| [22:07:56] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: if it isn't in that list then it's either already been merged or it got lost (and you should ping the list again). |
| [22:08:23] | crak: | can anybody tell what i have to insert exactly in XMLTVID? |
| [22:09:06] | taylorr: | taylorr: I guess I need to check out Linus's git repo and do a history on the hdpvr code? |
| [22:09:09] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: http://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/8183/ |
| [22:09:11] | dekarl: | devinheitmueller: thanks, I'll watch out for the issue and see if its still there |
| [22:09:51] | devinheitmueller: | dekarl: ok |
| [22:10:11] | dekarl: | crak: the easiest would be to manually run the grabber and then look at the beginning of the resulting file with an editor |
| [22:10:49] | crak: | dekarl: u mean the channel_ids? |
| [22:11:36] | crak: | dekarl: that is under ~/.xmltv/supplement/tv_grab_eu_epgdata ? |
| [22:12:07] | dekarl: | crak: run something like tv_grab_eu_epgdata --config-file <path to source.xmltv> --output <output file.xml> and then look at the output file |
| [22:12:29] | dekarl: | you can look at that file, too |
| [22:12:53] | crak: | in that file there is "71;ard.de" |
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| [22:13:25] | crak: | do i have to put the hole into XMLTV ID under http://localhost/mythweb/settings/tv/channels? |
| [22:14:00] | dekarl: | yes, you have the whole id in the field... e.g. "ard.de" |
| [22:14:16] | crak: | what about the 71 ? |
| [22:14:23] | crak: | is it important? |
| [22:14:30] | dekarl: | thats the internal number at the upstream site |
| [22:14:46] | crak: | i can leave this out? |
| [22:14:46] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I just pinged the list for more info |
| [22:15:01] | dekarl: | yes, the 71 is not part of the xmltv id |
| [22:15:18] | crak: | hmm |
| [22:15:36] | crak: | i inserted ard.de, zdf.de and arte-tv.com |
| [22:15:40] | crak: | and no EPG... |
| [22:15:42] | dekarl: | just put "ard.de" in and uncheck "use on air guide" |
| [22:16:04] | dekarl: | did you run mythfilldatabase after putting the ids in? |
| [22:16:17] | crak: | perhaps not |
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| [22:16:44] | crak: | "use on air guide" would be probably DVB-EPG |
| [22:16:44] | dekarl: | maybe with --refresh-all to force a refresh (and if you are not recording at the moment) also an --refresh-today |
| [22:16:50] | dekarl: | correct |
| [22:18:10] | crak: | No programs found in data. 2011-12–21 23:17:43.061 Failed to fetch some program info |
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| [22:18:31] | crak: | Error: xmltv returned error code 256 |
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| [22:19:44] | crak: | dekarl: doesn't mythtv do the grabber --configure? |
| [22:20:04] | dekarl: | crak: did you configure the grabber in mythtv-setup already? |
| [22:20:20] | crak: | in the backend, yes |
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| [22:20:42] | crak: | dekarl: i had to type in my monster id from epgcom |
| [22:22:38] | dekarl: | crak: it could be http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28551141 |
| [22:23:47] | crak: | dekarl: oh |
| [22:25:05] | crak: | dekarl: i hope i didn't pay 18 bugs for nothing... |
| [22:26:40] | dekarl: | now would be a good time to subscribe to xmltv-users (and optionally filter for _eu_epgdata locally) to stay up to date ;) |
| [22:37:18] | crak: | dekarl: well i can get epg data with tv_grab_eu_epgdata |
| [22:40:16] | dekarl: | ok, running it manually works? you have the xmltvids set via mythweb (and disabled the DVB-EIT for these channels)? and you have configured the video source to use _eu_epgdata in mythtv-setup? |
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| [22:41:37] | dekarl: | crak... are you using the iptv recorder or a dvb recorder? |
| [22:42:21] | crak: | dekarl: iptv |
| [22:42:57] | dekarl: | you should add the xmltvids to your playlist, thats easier then using mythweb and similar |
| [22:43:32] | dekarl: | in case you have to delete and readd the recorder you will automatically get the mapping by scanning the playlist |
| [22:44:38] | crak: | dekarl: my playlist looks like this: #EXTINF:0,001 – ARD HD rtp://233.51.128.117:1234 |
| [22:44:57] | crak: | dekarl: can u tell me where i need to put the xmltvid ? |
| [22:45:58] | crak: | dekarl: the xmltvid is ard.de |
| [22:46:47] | dekarl: | you can add a line in between like: #EXTMYTHTV:xmltvid=ard.de |
| [22:47:47] | crak: | ah |
| [22:47:48] | crak: | cool |
| [22:47:52] | crak: | dekarl: thank you |
| [22:48:12] | crak: | dekarl: i will give it a trsy |
| [22:49:10] | dekarl: | btw, according to http://www.hansenet-user-forum.de/viewtopic.php?t=25797 there should be full DVB-EIT in the stream, but it is unsupported by MythTV (the alternative would be a DVB broadband content guide on the server which is not supported either) |
| [22:49:56] | dekarl: | I have not seen the rules that the IPTV providers must follow to get the public tv streams, but they must have the epg somewhere |
| [22:50:00] | crak: | yes, i know |
| [22:50:11] | crak: | because the iptv thing is for freebox |
| [22:50:18] | crak: | that is in france |
| [22:50:51] | dekarl: | it started for that yes, but its being used with lots of providers... but it is not a full featured DVB-IPTV consumer |
| [22:51:41] | crak: | dekarl: vlc is able to read the eit |
| [22:51:49] | dekarl: | the complete EIT or just now/next? |
| [22:51:58] | crak: | it shows now, next |
| [22:52:22] | crak: | don't know if it reads ahead a full day or more |
| [22:52:54] | dekarl: | ahh, now/next must be send, but full EIT is optional. I wonder if they provide a proper BCG at all. (their own boxes likely do something different anyway) |
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| [22:59:37] | Oleg_: | will mythtv 0.25 be released in January? |
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| [23:00:41] | dekarl: | Oleg_: unlikely in the upcoming january, but maybe the one after that. ;) |
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| [23:03:18] | crak: | when i switch the channel i get errors with the buffer |
| [23:03:26] | crak: | can i increase its size? |
| [23:04:30] | dekarl: | can you pastebin the log around the error? |
| [23:04:48] | crak: | it is in the mythtv frontend |
| [23:05:04] | crak: | hard to copy and paste |
| [23:05:36] | crak: | perhaps there is something in /var/log/,,, |
| [23:05:46] | crak: | i will have a look at it |
| [23:05:50] | dekarl: | are you running 0.24-fixes or master? try /var/log/mythtv |
| [23:07:14] | gilson585: | what type of tuner? |
| [23:07:27] | crak: | here is an alsa error : ALSA, Error: Error opening /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc: Permission denied |
| [23:07:38] | crak: | permission... |
| [23:08:29] | dekarl: | is your error this one? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9034 |
| [23:08:40] | dekarl: | gilson585: IPTV Recorder on Hansenet Feed |
| [23:09:31] | crak: | dekarl: yes, sounds like |
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| [23:12:11] | crak: | dekarl: looks like it will be fixed in next release on january |
| [23:13:12] | gilson585: | i have had a problem with my V4L tuner since 0.24–0.25 and have found a fix for it |
| [23:14:00] | gilson585: | i'd like to see a dev review it and push it to master |
| [23:14:22] | dekarl: | gilson585: is there already a ticket on trac? |
| [23:14:50] | gilson585: | yea but the comment left there is not for the issue at hand |
| [23:15:29] | dekarl: | crak: do recordings work? (the ticket hints a LiveTV doing something that breaks the recorder, so restart your backend and do 1–2 recording to test the recorder) |
| [23:16:05] | crak: | dekarl: i will do that after finishing my playlist |
| [23:17:20] | dekarl: | gilson585: so you could politely follow up on the mail from trac asking on the -dev list if someone has any opinion on your patch |
| [23:18:03] | gilson585: | ticket 9825 comment 23, not my patch |
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| [23:22:40] | dekarl: | gilson585: I see, its been there for less then two weeks, might take some days/weeks until some dev who can test it has time (especially as its posted to an unrelated ticket)... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9825#comment:23 <- has a one line patch that unbreaks channel surfing with NuppelVideo |
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| [23:23:48] | dekarl: | you could simply reply with "I have tested this 'commit-8677f41' patch and it does fix the issue without breaking stuff" or similar |
| [23:23:58] | gilson585: | yea pretty much, was very excited when it worked cause it hasn't since 0.23, lil over a year ago |
| [23:24:01] | gilson585: | ok thx |
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