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| [00:48:10] | mumbler9: | hi all, about to make my first foray into mythtv. I am a 10 year Linux only guy. I know i will have many questions. here's the first! I plan to use a rack-mount server for backend (castoff from employer, i haven't fired it up, 2 gig o' ram, blahblah). my question is on backend partitioning. I will have three 36 gig ultra320 SCSI HDs, and two 146 gig ultra320. |
| [00:49:23] | mumbler9: | one 36 gig for OS, another for swap, another for DB, and the 146 giggers for /storage? i don't know how big the DB will be. one tuner, no netflix, minimal OTA recording |
| [00:50:09] | mumbler9: | and probably /home just in with the OS, thought that usually goes against my grain |
| [00:50:58] | wagnerrp: | 2GB of memory and 36GB U320 disks... this thing sounds pretty old |
| [00:51:11] | wagnerrp: | what kind of hardware is in it? |
| [00:51:17] | mumbler9: | i plan to eventually put an external SATA connect on it, for storage JBOD box. this is not a good time to be buying disks, i know |
| [00:51:41] | mumbler9: | don't really know. i knew 4 months ago, haven't fired it up. |
| [00:52:10] | wagnerrp: | could you give an estimate? |
| [00:52:28] | wagnerrp: | Athlon MP? Netburst Xeon? Early model Opteron? |
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| [00:53:09] | ** mumbler9 knows it's lame to ask without better specifics ** | |
| [00:53:52] | wagnerrp: | keep the case if you want to do rackmount, but im going to suggest you start out with fresh guts |
| [00:54:00] | wagnerrp: | especially if you intend to leave this thing on all the time |
| [00:54:54] | mumbler9: | it may only be turned on to watch, not much OTA recording planned |
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| [00:55:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv records everything, even if only using it for 'live tv' |
| [00:55:34] | mumbler9: | it's nearby, but can't check it out now, i need to leave soon. |
| [00:55:44] | wagnerrp: | and if this is going to be used for playback as well, you definately want something newer as HD playback tends to be difficult with old hardware |
| [00:56:00] | wagnerrp: | most 64-bit gear should be sufficient |
| [00:56:25] | wagnerrp: | excluding very low end Ath64 and Core2 equipment (<2GHz) |
| [00:56:38] | mumbler9: | fresh guts really isn't in the budget, just trying to get by :( |
| [00:57:03] | mumbler9: | there probably won't be much HD playback |
| [00:57:14] | wagnerrp: | where are you located? |
| [00:57:21] | wagnerrp: | north america? europe? |
| [00:57:22] | mumbler9: | midwest USA |
| [00:57:31] | wagnerrp: | US... meaning anything OTA will be digital |
| [00:57:43] | wagnerrp: | and the consequence of digital is that you get what the broadcaster sends you |
| [00:57:49] | mumbler9: | ya |
| [00:58:05] | wagnerrp: | if they send you SD content, youll need to do SD playback... if they send you HD content, youll need to do HD playback |
| [00:58:24] | mumbler9: | but it is very podunk OTA... some of them just now got stereo.... j/k |
| [00:58:35] | wagnerrp: | the only standard definition content youre likely to find are the weather/news subchannels |
| [00:59:43] | wagnerrp: | that means HD MPEG2 for most content, and MPEG2 decoding is single threaded, meaning there will be no advantage to a multi-core/multi-processor system |
| [01:00:44] | mumbler9: | more interested in streaming files locally to multiple frontends, than doing much of anything OTA, it's a very rural area. no cable, no sat |
| [01:01:13] | mumbler9: | i've been trawling the archives, understand that seek times are more important that raw horsepower |
| [01:01:23] | wagnerrp: | that can be done, but then the playback load is shifted to whatever your frontend hardware is |
| [01:01:59] | wagnerrp: | the backend needs raw horsepower for a couple tasks |
| [01:02:22] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler is very CPU intensive, and the more channels you have, the more tuners you have, the more recording rules you have... the more intensive it gets |
| [01:02:23] | mumbler9: | most of the local files won't need transcoding, or seeking commercials |
| [01:02:30] | wagnerrp: | but for just OTA stuff, youre not talking much |
| [01:02:53] | wagnerrp: | guide data processing is intensive, but can be done at off hours, so its not very vital |
| [01:02:58] | mumbler9: | prolly never more than one tuner. easy to say now, i know.... but there is a dearth of content available |
| [01:03:18] | wagnerrp: | and batch processing is intensive, so the more power you get for commercial flagging and the like, the better |
| [01:03:33] | wagnerrp: | behaving as just a media server, you really dont need much in a backend |
| [01:04:01] | wagnerrp: | but you do need storage capacity, and a couple old SCSI drives wont get you far |
| [01:04:25] | wagnerrp: | as far as external SATA drives... better to do internals ones assuming that rackmount case has the room |
| [01:04:32] | mumbler9: | hope to eventually have a sata JBOD box hung on it, for real storage |
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| [01:04:44] | wagnerrp: | why not put the drives in the server directly? |
| [01:05:13] | wagnerrp: | any 3–4U case should have plenty of room for storage |
| [01:05:50] | mumbler9: | it's a 2u case |
| [01:06:19] | wagnerrp: | better to scrap it and get something larger then |
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| [01:07:48] | mumbler9: | budget, etc. again, i was most interested in how to split up the drives. current vid stuff fits easily in 300 gig, figured 2x146 would be close enough, and extra spindles for OS/swap/DB |
| [01:09:03] | wagnerrp: | the DB likes to have its own spindle, independent of any media content |
| [01:09:15] | wagnerrp: | but the OS doesnt really care one way or another, it doesnt get much use |
| [01:09:29] | wagnerrp: | as for ram, if youre swapping, that just means its time for more memory |
| [01:09:42] | mumbler9: | yup |
| [01:11:16] | mumbler9: | welp gotta go, better half is calling, have plans for the evening. |
| [01:11:24] | mumbler9: | thanks very much for info! |
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| [02:12:11] | bixter: | how can I delete metadata for a video? |
| [02:12:22] | bixter: | actually a bunch of videos |
| [02:13:28] | wagnerrp: | select video, hit 'w' |
| [02:13:44] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [02:13:49] | bixter: | 24 |
| [02:14:00] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 added a bulk grabber |
| [02:14:22] | wagnerrp: | each video gets a one-time pass through it, after which it is marked as being processed and does not get re-processed |
| [02:14:31] | wagnerrp: | you can trigger it through the 'm' menu |
| [02:14:45] | wagnerrp: | or, there is an option in the settings to make it be automatically triggered when you run the content scanner |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | note that all metadata usage relies on correct initial information existing in the database |
| [02:15:53] | wagnerrp: | which in turn means your files being in a format that the scanner can proces |
| [02:16:23] | bixter: | i had some showes named wrong and i renamed them but the metadata is still screwed up |
| [02:16:27] | bixter: | its for a tv serires |
| [02:16:29] | bixter: | series |
| [02:16:36] | wagnerrp: | see http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [02:16:49] | wagnerrp: | if you changed the name of a video and rescanned |
| [02:17:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will detect that the existing file was moved, and will keep the existing database entry, with incorrect information |
| [02:17:17] | wagnerrp: | use the 'i' menu, and reset its details |
| [02:17:21] | bixter: | ah cool |
| [02:17:42] | wagnerrp: | that will clear out any existing information, and reprocess the filename |
| [02:20:03] | bixter: | nice, thanks! |
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| [03:00:19] | bixter: | with .24 I want to display messages on the osd. how do I do this seems mythtvosd is no longer supported? |
| [03:02:17] | wagnerrp: | wait for 0.25 and use mythmessage |
| [03:03:42] | bixter: | k, |
| [03:09:05] | bixter: | any timeline on 25? |
| [03:11:54] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [05:32:26] | wagnerrp: | slow day on the mailing list |
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| [08:55:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: re-implemented which_recorder.pl |
| [08:55:43] | wagnerrp: | of course that one didnt even use the perl bindings in the first place |
| [08:56:09] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . _recorder.py |
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| [12:57:28] | loganRun: | jrod |
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| [13:25:29] | oobe: | this might make a awesome frontend http://www.dlink.com/boxee/ |
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| [13:44:02] | kmdm: | Hi guys, this morning I upgraded from a 0.24.x (dated 20110831) to 0.24.1 (dated 20111207) and now material that played fine using vdpau is started to stutter on a very regular basis (I've tried upgrading to the latest nvidia drivers to no success) – anyone have any ideas? :) |
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| [13:52:13] | oobe: | kmdm, I cant think of anything that can help you but someone else who may be able to help will inevitably ask to see some logs a quick way to genenate some logs during a play back problem is "mythavtest -v playback,general /path/to/file.mkv > /tmp/myth.log" |
| [13:52:29] | oobe: | then put it up on pastebin |
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| [14:14:44] | kmdm: | oobe: aha, many thanks :-) I'll take anything that gives me more info to work with :) |
| [14:16:04] | wagnerrp: | oobe: no, no it wouldnt |
| [14:16:29] | oobe: | wagnerrp, you mean that boxee thing I linked too? |
| [14:16:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [14:16:54] | oobe: | why not I cant find any details of its hardware specs but its really cheap and small and I like the design and the remote |
| [14:17:10] | oobe: | Im not in the market for that anyway just something I came across |
| [14:17:38] | wagnerrp: | well, besides the fact that its fugly and wont blend in with any of your other AV gear |
| [14:17:49] | wagnerrp: | its running a CE4100 chip |
| [14:18:21] | wagnerrp: | which means a chip with no openly documented or driver'd access to the hardware video decoders |
| [14:18:32] | wagnerrp: | and a cheesy little underpowered single core Atom |
| [14:18:37] | wagnerrp: | with no capability to do anything on its own |
| [14:18:48] | oobe: | ah I dont know what that is but I couldnt even find out that much how did you find out the hardware specs? |
| [14:19:00] | wagnerrp: | IF we could actually use the hardware decoder, it would at best be a modest backend |
| [14:19:06] | wagnerrp: | because hardware decoding is inherently limited |
| [14:19:32] | wagnerrp: | and when you cannot control your content, you cannot trust hardware decoding to be able to handle all of your content |
| [14:19:53] | oobe: | yep I am with you |
| [14:20:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning any combination of 'awesome', 'great', or 'excellent' would require enough horsepower for software decoding |
| [14:20:19] | oobe: | well I could only judge based on the remote and the box which I really liked and the price $250 AUD |
| [14:20:47] | wagnerrp: | anyway, just knew what the hardware was from memory |
| [14:21:00] | wagnerrp: | at least it was fairly easy to discover a year or so ago when the thing came out |
| [14:21:14] | oobe: | that is good to know I find it odd I couldnt find any relevent info in google |
| [14:21:35] | oobe: | I didnt try too hard though |
| [14:21:38] | wagnerrp: | there was a big stink middle of last year after nVidia did a bunch of work getting boxee working on the tegra |
| [14:21:50] | wagnerrp: | only to have boxee abandon it for the Intel chip |
| [14:22:11] | oobe: | am actually looking for a new router/modem so that is my serious search I came across this by fluke and wont focus much energy |
| [14:22:59] | wagnerrp: | and the biggest issue, its a locked down platform, so we couldn't install mythtv on a whim if we wanted to |
| [14:23:27] | oobe: | amd is releasing some CPUs combined with GPUs I forget the names of the new tech but Im sure you know all about it pity ATI isnt well supported by linux and myth |
| [14:23:53] | oobe: | is it like a read only install or something |
| [14:24:08] | wagnerrp: | signed binaries only |
| [14:24:38] | oobe: | how does that work it wont execute a binarie unless it contains a signature? |
| [14:24:58] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [14:26:23] | wagnerrp: | youre thinking of fusion |
| [14:26:41] | wagnerrp: | theres the low end E-350 chips that arent much good for mythtv's purposes |
| [14:27:24] | wagnerrp: | and the llana A4/6/8 chips that are basically an Athlon II chip with an oversized GPU stuff on them |
| [14:28:00] | wagnerrp: | a decent enough processor, but a graphics chip that cannot be relied upon |
| [14:28:15] | wagnerrp: | and way too much power for the memory controller to handle efficiently |
| [14:28:40] | oobe: | yep I knew you wouldnt of been a fan |
| [14:28:46] | kmdm: | hm, now that's amusing, it seems to play fine in mythavtest :) |
| [14:29:09] | oobe: | they are already releasing tiny AMD/ATI boxes marketed towards the HTPC market |
| [14:29:31] | kmdm: | ok, i take that back :) |
| [14:29:32] | oobe: | kmdm, inconsistent problems are the hardest to fix :( |
| [14:30:05] | kmdm: | getting the RingBuf(...): waited 0.5 seconds for data too |
| [14:30:06] | kmdm: | fun :) |
| [14:30:15] | wagnerrp: | i would love those llano chips... if they worked well in linux |
| [14:30:29] | wagnerrp: | plenty of power, good graphics (albeit oversized) |
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| [14:35:08] | oobe: | ringbuf are not necessaryly a problem |
| [14:38:38] | oobe: | anyway once you have some logs of playback during errors you described paste them up in pastebin |
| [14:39:24] | oobe: | I am finding the latest nvidia driver (which is the only one that supports kernel 3.X) seems to segfault mythfrontend occasionally |
| [14:40:44] | oobe: | ah scratch that I just checked nvidia for an update and there is a newer one I havent tested yet |
| [14:42:05] | oobe: | * Fixed a bug that would cause OpenGL applications to crash when run with recent releases of glibc such as glibc 2.14.90. |
| [14:42:10] | oobe: | maybe that is it |
| [14:43:06] | kmdm: | oobe: I'm now beginning to suspect a coincidence after copying the file local to the machine and getting no problem, bah... I'll go poke the NAS as well :/ |
| [14:43:54] | oobe: | kmdm, I have heard of artifacts with mkv playback on some seagate drives using NAS |
| [15:01:16] | kmdm: | right, lets see if it plays fine over samba... might just be the mythtv:// style uri's |
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| [15:08:24] | kmdm: | hm, yep... it just appears to be mythtv:// uri's... samba works fine |
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| [15:20:54] | bradd: | hmm...metadata lookup doesnt seem to be working with movies that i've recorded off hbo/showtime/whatever |
| [15:22:19] | bradd: | though running mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-artwork manually works |
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| [15:43:23] | crak: | hi all |
| [15:43:46] | crak: | anyone here using iptv ? |
| [15:45:33] | oobe: | there is an australian guide for using tpg iptv |
| [15:45:41] | oobe: | its probably a bit outdated |
| [15:46:01] | crak: | oobe: yeah, i saw that already. |
| [15:46:28] | crak: | oobe: i can watch iptv that comes with my dsl-provider right now |
| [15:46:41] | oobe: | I have tpg but my router/setup doesnt support iptv |
| [15:46:47] | crak: | oobe: but epg is not supported |
| [15:47:05] | oobe: | sorry dont know what to tell you |
| [15:47:48] | crak: | ok |
| [15:48:00] | crak: | oobe: u r from australia? |
| [15:48:10] | oobe: | yea |
| [15:48:14] | crak: | wow |
| [15:48:43] | oobe: | was a convenient guide for me but unfortunatly I cant use iptv with my router also I use wireless and that isnt supported by tpg iptv either |
| [15:49:40] | oobe: | I would try a quick google of ISP name + iptv + epg |
| [15:49:46] | crak: | :) |
| [15:49:50] | oobe: | assuming you hadnt already |
| [15:50:36] | oobe: | kmdm, if you normally use NFS there are some tweaks you can try if you not completly happy with samba |
| [15:52:45] | oobe: | my old frontend is offline and in a drawer so I cant access my fstab entries :( |
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| [15:54:25] | kmdm: | oobe: samba was a "testing" thing... it's NAS --NFS--> MythBE --myth-uri--> MythFE |
| [15:55:34] | oobe: | what is myth-uri ? is that some sort of upnp thing |
| [15:56:10] | oobe: | seems like that might cause some latency |
| [15:56:11] | kmdm: | the storage group stuff... myth://GROUP@MythBE/path/to/file.mkv |
| [15:56:25] | kmdm: | it's mythtv's native way of accessing files using storage groups |
| [15:56:29] | oobe: | I dont use storage groups still |
| [15:56:52] | kmdm: | mmm, i'm tempted to reconfigure not to |
| [15:57:10] | oobe: | try mounting the NFS share locally and as a test run mythavtest |
| [15:57:40] | kmdm: | it works fine as NAS -> NFS -> MythBE -> Samba -> MythFE |
| [15:57:55] | oobe: | if it works you can (as a work around) keep your storage groups but also add a local path in mythvideo settings |
| [15:58:14] | oobe: | I did mess around with storage groups once or twice then just restored a backup |
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| [15:58:24] | kmdm: | hm, how does one do that? add the local path I mean? |
| [15:58:53] | kmdm: | I should look at the settings really |
| [15:59:20] | oobe: | its pretty straight forward |
| [15:59:47] | oobe: | also if you wanted to add multiple paths you can do /path/1/to/files:/path/2/to/files |
| [16:01:04] | kmdm: | cause I wouldn't mind it 'pretending' to use storage groups but really contacting the NAS more directly using local paths as like an override |
| [16:02:30] | oobe: | its in utils/setup>video settings>general settings 1st page |
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| [16:04:56] | kmdm: | hm, so if i set that (currently empty) it'd use all the meta-data as in the database etc but just access the file locally? |
| [16:06:21] | oobe: | ok I found my old xfs fstab line for you in a backup somewhere "box:/data/Documents/media/mp3z /data/Documents/media/mp3z nfs rw,noauto,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp" |
| [16:11:54] | oobe: | mounting the files locally as well as using storage groups is not ideal though |
| [16:12:13] | oobe: | so another possible solution is to try increasing the buffer size |
| [16:12:44] | oobe: | you can do this in mythtv-setup in the general settings somewhere |
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| [16:15:14] | kmdm: | aye, I did that, might up it some more to be sure :) |
| [16:15:37] | kmdm: | need to afk for a bit/while now, thanks for all your help/time oobe – appreciated :) |
| [16:18:02] | oobe: | np |
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| [16:33:40] | wagnerrp: | kmdm: in 0.25, if your storage folders can be found locally, mythfrontend will access the content locally rather than pulling it from the remote backend |
| [16:33:59] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24 and previous (for videos, not recordings), storage group content will always stream from the backend |
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| [16:52:00] | oobe: | that sounds handy |
| [16:53:07] | wagnerrp: | the idea is primarily a work around for encrypted ISOs |
| [16:54:39] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: has the on-disk format changed for recordings recently? |
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| [16:56:32] | wagnerrp: | not in a very many years |
| [16:56:40] | Peitolm: | hrm, v.odd |
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| [16:57:12] | wagnerrp: | the only thing mythtv actually has control over are framegrabbers |
| [16:57:24] | wagnerrp: | hardware encoders and digital tuners just record straight to disk |
| [16:58:32] | Peitolm: | hrrrm |
| [16:59:33] | ** Peitolm has his brain melted by Brian Cox on 'the sky at night' ** | |
| [16:59:56] | wagnerrp: | is big and bright |
| [17:00:41] | Peitolm: | 'if i drop this glass, and fire a laser pulse horizontally, then if the earth was big enough, they would both hit the ground at the same time |
| [17:01:27] | wagnerrp: | uh huh... |
| [17:02:09] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something science has accepted for the better part of a century |
| [17:02:28] | wagnerrp: | (assuming no atmosphere) |
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| [17:03:19] | Peitolm: | yes, science makes sense, but i hadn't connected the fact that light has mass with that particular experiment |
| [17:03:56] | wagnerrp: | light does not have mass |
| [17:04:13] | Peitolm: | it does :) |
| [17:04:30] | wagnerrp: | light is massless, but it is affected by gravity all the same |
| [17:05:01] | Peitolm: | E=mc^2 :) |
| [17:05:12] | Peitolm: | light is both a wave and a particle |
| [17:05:48] | wagnerrp: | and neither is mass |
| [17:05:55] | wagnerrp: | s/is/has/ |
| [17:06:18] | Peitolm: | the latter would |
| [17:07:00] | wagnerrp: | no, energy is matter, and matter energy, but in different forms |
| [17:07:19] | wagnerrp: | light is energy, but not matter, as in no mass |
| [17:08:19] | wagnerrp: | you can use light to accelerate particles to relativistic velocities, and in the process, produce mass through consumption of energy |
| [17:08:40] | wagnerrp: | you can perform a nuclear reaction releasing gamma radiation, producing light through the loss of mass |
| [17:09:09] | Peitolm: | :) |
| [17:10:41] | ** Peitolm ponders "VLC cannot open files in MPEG movie format" ** | |
| [17:13:30] | Peitolm: | the only thing that has changed was going to 0.25-pre |
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| [17:59:24] | sphery: | and grain is both a wave and a particle ( http://xkcd.com/967/ ) |
| [18:01:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, nice on which_recorder... feel free to delete the old |
| [18:01:49] | ** wagnerrp is interested in the wave/particle duality of bread loves and would like to subscribe to your newsletter ** | |
| [18:02:44] | sphery: | actually, you'll have to susbcribe to Randall's... I don't yet understand it, but I'm repeating what he's said |
| [18:03:41] | sphery: | When Nebraska does destroy Colorado and Kansas with their grain laser, then I'll get a nice description from the news to help me understand it |
| [18:03:56] | wagnerrp: | quantum states exist as a waveform |
| [18:04:12] | wagnerrp: | when the waveform collapses due to observation, it becomes a particle |
| [18:05:34] | sphery: | oh, and btw, I should mention that the backup/restore scripts don't use the Perl bindings, either (they were made to not use them so they'd work on any version of MythTV) |
| [18:06:05] | wagnerrp: | i.e. when you observe the waves through the fields, the waves collapse and youre left with the bare grain lying on the ground |
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| [18:06:39] | wagnerrp: | its a new field of applied quantum theory that promises to increase the efficiency of large scale farming ten fold |
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| [18:07:00] | sphery: | so, kind of like farming in Minecraft using water to "observe" the waves of grain |
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| [18:16:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: could you give me an example of the myth_upcoming_recordings output (text and html)? |
| [18:16:37] | wagnerrp: | i would do it myself... but the whole ipv6 thing |
| [18:21:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/aCd9U8je , plaus you can use --format and --text_format to do any other format |
| [18:22:25] | sphery: | only reason the html format defaults to the one given is because it's pretty much identical to the Schedule section of the backend status page |
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| [18:24:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and recent_recordings... http://pastebin.com/bPpFiC6K |
| [18:25:22] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [18:25:54] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for picking a time when for 48 hours, there was no embarrassing-that-I'm-recording-it-but-I-record-all-new-series-so-it's-there show on the schedule |
| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | you could have deleted them |
| [18:26:18] | sphery: | hehe, true |
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| [18:27:19] | wagnerrp: | of course now we know youre a hobbyist finish carpenter |
| [18:27:21] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [18:28:23] | sphery: | hehe, more of a cabinet maker (I make boxes, not houses :), but compared to the amount of info people post on facebook/twitter/etc., that's probably not too dangerous |
| [18:33:05] | wagnerrp: | if i didnt mention, the purpose for the python version of the other script was to read the database logs |
| [18:36:48] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [18:36:53] | sphery: | using db logging? |
| [18:37:16] | sphery: | turns out it may be easier once I push the services method for retrieving logs |
| [18:38:41] | wagnerrp: | well the bindings are already configured for very easy database access |
| [18:39:01] | wagnerrp: | services would be more difficult, just because there isnt a big chunk of assisting code |
| [18:40:08] | sphery: | well, once you get that... :) |
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| [19:02:49] | kmdm: | wagnerrp: Ah, cool. (And stop tempting me with 0.25pre ;)) |
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| [19:23:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, the settings override file is settings.txt --they're not put into mysql.txt |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | there is something put into mysql.txt |
| [19:24:55] | wagnerrp: | last time we discussed nixing mysql.txt, danielk said he was using some stuff stored in that file |
| [19:24:59] | sphery: | I think, though, when I rip out mysql.txt, I'll rip out settings.txt, too (just because both use the oldsettings code--which is C, and seemingly not i18n-safe) |
| [19:25:07] | sphery: | fstream fin(pszFile.toAscii(), ios::in); |
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| [19:35:45] | ikke-t: | guys, any help for succeeding ripping my legally purchased dvd |
| [19:36:03] | ikke-t: | it seems libdvdcss don't get the keys open if i play it from a file |
| [19:36:08] | ikke-t: | which i dd'd from the disk |
| [19:36:17] | [R]: | yeah, you can't dd a protected disk |
| [19:36:23] | ikke-t: | vlc plays the disk, but not the image |
| [19:36:34] | [R]: | use vobcopy or dvdbackup |
| [19:36:36] | ikke-t: | handbrake won't see audio track in dvd |
| [19:36:47] | ikke-t: | ah, thanks, i'll try |
| [19:37:10] | ikke-t: | since when has that changed, this is the way i've always done it |
| [19:37:24] | [R]: | it depends on the protection on the disk |
| [19:37:31] | ikke-t: | first the disk need to be opened in player though, to get protection open... |
| [19:37:39] | [R]: | no? |
| [19:37:45] | ikke-t: | something has obviously changed |
| [19:37:57] | [R]: | nothing has changed in anyting |
| [19:38:27] | ikke-t: | really? i've done it tenths of times, dd the disk to image, and use handbrake to h264 encode it |
| [19:38:40] | [R]: | like i said |
| [19:38:42] | ikke-t: | now i won't succeed anymore |
| [19:38:45] | [R]: | [12:37:24] [R] it depends on the protection on the disk |
| [19:38:55] | ikke-t: | i believe you, np |
| [19:39:29] | ikke-t: | i'll check on those two progs |
| [19:43:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: TTBOMK, danielk was primarily using mysql.txt because of http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7799 (that was his main reason for not using config.xml) |
| [19:44:26] | ikke-t: | [R]: do you mean dvdbackup, apt won't find dvdcopy? |
| [19:44:48] | [R]: | i never said dvdcopy... |
| [19:45:02] | ** [R] thinks someone is a little dyslexic ** | |
| [19:46:27] | sphery: | FWIW, you can dd a CSS-protected disc, and you'll end up with a CSS-protected ISO image |
| [19:46:44] | sphery: | however, there exist some discs that are protected with what's called "structural protection" |
| [19:47:25] | ikke-t: | damned me, sorry, right, you never said dvdcopy :) |
| [19:47:28] | sphery: | structural protection is a process by which errors are encoded into sectors on the disc. these errors will stop any program that expects to be able to read every bit from the disc without error--i.e. dd |
| [19:47:54] | sphery: | you know if there's structural protection because you get an error from dd and the file it creates is too small |
| [19:48:05] | ikke-t: | sphery: i recall so too, that's why i used ddrescue too to copy it |
| [19:48:18] | ikke-t: | it will do the same size img |
| [19:48:35] | sphery: | (note, also, that structural protections won't affect proper DVD players because the nav packets on the DVD guide the player around the areas with errors) |
| [19:48:50] | ikke-t: | the weird thing is that previously i always managed to get the copy protected imgs open with no problem |
| [19:49:00] | MnF: | Hi all, I have a issue with 0.24 on gentoo linux frontends with atom hardware. When I playback anything video related (live, recorded, videos), after about 15 minutes the sound quality goes bad and then becomes completely un-discernable as the sound, and I have to skip round in the stream and then it becomes ok. I tried removing pulseaudio from one and using ratpoisen from xinit, and recompiled myth but it hasnt fixed it. |
| [19:49:29] | sphery: | ikke-t: now, if what you're saying is, "After upgrading to MythTV (or after changing my setup or ...), I can no longer play encrypted ISO images", then likely you've switched to using storage groups |
| [19:49:31] | ikke-t: | but like [R] said, must be some different protection scheme |
| [19:49:44] | sphery: | and we don't support playback of encrypted images over storage groups |
| [19:49:54] | ikke-t: | nope, stayed in 10.04 on this myth box |
| [19:50:11] | ikke-t: | shouldn't have changed to cgroups |
| [19:50:25] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo (in the Storage Groups section) |
| [19:50:31] | sphery: | not cgroups |
| [19:50:34] | sphery: | storage groups |
| [19:50:43] | ikke-t: | ah, ok |
| [19:51:02] | sphery: | Disadvantages: ISOs played back via storage group must be unencrypted. |
| [19:51:16] | ikke-t: | i should start reading what is written in screen, not in my eyes... :) |
| [19:51:20] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:51:35] | sphery: | you likely have more experience with the kernel/kernel conf than with mythtv :) |
| [19:52:00] | ikke-t: | i haven't enabled it myself, i need to check if it's not turned on in some upgrade |
| [19:52:26] | ikke-t: | you are right, i have been extremely lucky of getting not to tune my myth in couple of years anymore |
| [19:52:29] | ikke-t: | it just works |
| [19:52:53] | ikke-t: | knock knock... |
| [19:53:21] | ikke-t: | but anyhow,this is not under mythtv, but thanks for the warning anyway |
| [19:54:54] | Twiggy2cents: | Why do you guys not allow encrypted ISO's? |
| [19:55:03] | Twiggy2cents: | Does it play encrypted DVD's? |
| [19:55:57] | [R]: | "doesn't work" and "don't allow" are two different things |
| [19:56:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Technically it doesnt work because the function wasnt included |
| [19:56:55] | Twiggy2cents: | I was asking why they dont include the functionality, does it get closer to piracy mud slinging? |
| [19:57:13] | [R]: | no one cares enoug hto do it? |
| [19:57:39] | Twiggy2cents: | So it is just because it is not implemented? Not because there is a reason to not implement it? |
| [19:57:52] | [R]: | it might not be possible and/or too difficult |
| [19:58:32] | [R]: | then again |
| [19:58:35] | [R]: | whats the point of storing encrypted iso |
| [19:59:59] | Twiggy2cents: | Because then you never broke the encryption? |
| [20:02:15] | [R]: | and you're not "breaking" the encryption when you play it? |
| [20:03:51] | Twiggy2cents: | That is true, I was just asking why it wasnt implemented. I don't need it. |
| [20:03:58] | [R]: | Twiggy2cents: (hint: you are) |
| [20:04:02] | ** ikke-t doing dvdbackup ** | |
| [20:04:05] | MnF: | any ideas on where to start looking for the audio issue above? I know its a frontend issue because it affects mythvideo in addition to recorded/live tv streams... |
| [20:04:18] | [R]: | MnF: what about mplayer |
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| [20:07:03] | MnF: | no , mplayer on a file direct has no audio issues |
| [20:07:57] | MnF: | these frontends were all set up on 0.23 working fine, then I emerged in 0.24 because I migrated the backend too, and ever since the audio has been doing this. Sometimes it "recovers" itself, and sometimes I have to jump ffwd or back to get it to sound ok again |
| [20:08:36] | MnF: | someone here suggested the newer build pulled in a new pulseaudio and that was at fault, so I removed pulse and gnome etc from one frontend, and start myth up from ratpoison and that has the same issue |
| [20:09:28] | MnF: | I may have to go back to 0.23 for xmas period and forget trying to make my archos tablet work with myth :( |
| [20:10:13] | ikke-t: | while hanging out here, why not ask another question... |
| [20:10:41] | ikke-t: | i changed my screensaver settings while ago, and now it sometimes kicks in in middle of watching videos |
| [20:11:13] | ikke-t: | i don't figure out what i have broken, and it's too long i can't remember where were the screensaver settings in myth |
| [20:11:28] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: it doesn't work because libdvdread (the library used to read DVD images--and that, on a system with libdvdcss installed) doesn't know how to read from MythTV storage groups |
| [20:11:29] | ikke-t: | would anyone remember the magic menu |
| [20:11:32] | ikke-t: | ? |
| [20:11:45] | sphery: | therefore, we don't support reading encrypted ISOs over storage groups |
| [20:11:46] | ** ikke-t googling in the meanwhile ** | |
| [20:12:04] | Twiggy2cents: | oh gotcha |
| [20:12:20] | sphery: | we support DVD playback using libdvdread... we don't support encrypted DVD playback at all |
| [20:12:36] | sphery: | however, libdvdread supports encrypted DVD playback by using libdvdcss (which we don't provide) |
| [20:13:14] | sphery: | "and that, on a systme with libdvdcss installed, reads encrypted DVDS" |
| [20:13:18] | sphery: | forgot that last phrase :) |
| [20:14:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, do I close #10209 as wontfix, leave it open until I rip out mysql.txt and then close it as wontfix, or change it to a task to remove mysql.txt |
| [20:14:18] | Twiggy2cents: | Gotcha, btw I figured out my opengl screen tearing problem. |
| [20:14:34] | Twiggy2cents: | The sync to vblank wasnt persisting over reboots |
| [20:14:56] | Twiggy2cents: | When I opened nvidia-settings it would apply the sync to vblank |
| [20:14:58] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you have to reset it |
| [20:15:15] | sphery: | you can do that using .nvidia-settings.conf or something like that |
| [20:15:25] | Twiggy2cents: | So now I have nvidia-settings -l run on startup |
| [20:15:36] | sphery: | glad you figured it out |
| [20:15:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, now I have to remember it for when we move and I use my other FE. |
| [20:16:03] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [20:16:05] | Twiggy2cents: | I made notes on it incase I forget what I changed |
| [20:16:16] | sphery: | this is the challenge "do it yourself" |
| [20:16:43] | ikke-t: | ah found it. screensaver timeout must be >2mins |
| [20:17:03] | sphery: | ikke-t: hehe, oops, sorry--I missed your question, but, yeah |
| [20:17:40] | sphery: | technically, though, >=2min should work |
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| [20:17:48] | sphery: | as we're poking every 50s |
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| [20:19:03] | ikke-t: | sphery: poking gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver? for some reason my system occationally also starts gnome-screensaver |
| [20:19:22] | sphery: | whichever one is running |
| [20:19:34] | ikke-t: | ok |
| [20:19:37] | sphery: | if you have both running somehowe, it would poke xscreensaver, I think |
| [20:19:51] | sphery: | i.e. we test for xscreensaver first, and if it's not running test for gnome screensaver |
| [20:20:21] | ikke-t: | and i just killed the xscreensaver to change the config, and someone immediately kicks gnome-screensaver alive |
| [20:20:38] | ikke-t: | weird, will try figuring that out later. |
| [20:20:54] | sphery: | are you using gnome desktop? |
| [20:21:23] | sphery: | any reason not to use a more lightweight desktop (like xfce) or, better, no desktop and just a Window Manager (like RatPoison or fluxbox or ...) |
| [20:22:00] | ikke-t: | i use xfce |
| [20:22:33] | sphery: | ah, I just assumed that maybe gnome would kick of gnome-screensaver automatically |
| [20:22:37] | ikke-t: | i used to use fluxbox.... but switched to xfce for some reason at some point |
| [20:22:38] | sphery: | seems it's something else, though |
| [20:22:44] | ikke-t: | good guess, but no |
| [20:22:55] | sphery: | yeah, xfce is the best of the 3 DEs to use for a mythtv box |
| [20:23:08] | Twiggy2cents: | why? |
| [20:23:14] | Twiggy2cents: | Just because it uses less resources? |
| [20:23:29] | ikke-t: | least bloated |
| [20:23:29] | sphery: | if you're using it as a dedicated frontend, though, you can just use a WM (i.e. if you're not using the desktop functionality) |
| [20:23:34] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: yeah, resources |
| [20:25:24] | Twiggy2cents: | I forget, is .25 going to have mythmediaserver? |
| [20:26:00] | sphery: | yes |
| [20:26:35] | sphery: | the big question is will it have a separate mythjobqueue (i.e. will the job queue support still exist in mythbackend) |
| [20:26:39] | Twiggy2cents: | and it uses storage groups right? |
| [20:26:47] | sphery: | (in other words, will I get that ripped out before 0.25)\ |
| [20:27:05] | sphery: | yeah, it basically allows using storage groups on a non-mythbackend system |
| [20:27:25] | sphery: | so you could make files located on the file system of a frontend-only machine available |
| [20:27:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Good, I want to use up some of my free space on my main computer with out using nfs |
| [20:27:40] | sphery: | +1 |
| [20:27:50] | sphery: | I'm looking forward to it, too |
| [20:28:40] | Twiggy2cents: | At the rate you guys are going with it though it might be faster to wait for the HDD shortage to end and buy another drive :) |
| [20:28:50] | sphery: | since my mfe disk is now a 750GB one (hand-me-down from old backends), that's a lot of space that could be used for mythvideo videos |
| [20:29:12] | sphery: | (not that I have anywhere near that many videos, but wasting the space is annoying) |
| [20:29:24] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, my mfe is 1tb that is storing nothing but ~1000 songs |
| [20:29:39] | Twiggy2cents: | and the distro and files |
| [20:29:39] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [20:30:03] | sphery: | I don't think mythmusic supports storage groups, yet, though, so you'll still need to put songs on a file system that's available on all frontends |
| [20:30:10] | sphery: | (or copy the songs to all frontends) |
| [20:30:23] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont use mythmusic, I am waiting for a UI overhaul |
| [20:30:28] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [20:30:40] | Twiggy2cents: | It is too voodooish to get it to work |
| [20:30:42] | sphery: | I don't use it because I have no appreciable collection of music |
| [20:30:52] | Twiggy2cents: | It isnt simple unless you already know what to do. |
| [20:31:56] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont really ever listen to my music, it is just there |
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| [20:59:36] | rumblebumble: | Just wondering why, if I update a mythmusic playlist through mythweb, it does not show up on my frontends |
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| [21:27:36] | ikke-t: | [R]: thanks, dvdbackup did the trick! it seems i had previously fucked up with ddrescue |
| [21:28:00] | [R]: | plesae watch the language |
| [21:28:28] | ikke-t: | need to figure out from handbrake guys why the audio doesn't get found |
| [21:29:10] | ikke-t: | but that's some other night's task... |
| [21:29:13] | ikke-t: | thanks |
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| [22:46:24] | Dalibor: | Hi guys, I have question about flowplayer (ffmpeg). I have audio/video out of sync. I looking for setup file or something how to tell mythtv to convert mpeg to flv with audio offset. ( I know how to set up for ffmpeg but where I must store this parameter?) |
| [22:56:37] | sphery: | Dalibor: the mythweb stuff just calls ffmpeg directly, so you'd need to edit the right file in mythweb |
| [22:56:46] | sphery: | and change the command line... grep should find it |
| [23:02:12] | Dalibor: | OK thanks I will try find that :) |
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