Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, December 16th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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josha:

Any recommendations of how to show all channels regardless of which input they require when viewing livetv and channel changing?

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wagnerrp:

there was formerly an option to allow surfing between multiple video sources

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wagnerrp:

i believe that option has since been removed

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josha:

Hmmm, so the only way is via going back to the guide?

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wagnerrp:

you can bind keys to change inputs and change sources

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wagnerrp:

or you can type in a channel directly

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josha:

Yeah, i am trying to just wife-proof this. ;) she doesn't have a concept of inputs/sources

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josha:

she wants to just list channels, i am trying to make it efficient such that if she picks an ota channel it would use an ota tuner instead of the single sat tuner we have so we could record a separate sat program

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josha:

but also keeping it so that if we pick two ota channels it will use the ota tuner and sat tuner to grab both

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josha:

I will keep just playing with the priorities and see what I can come up with. The guide should be sufficient. :)

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josha:

last question: anyone have any experience with getting a remote to put a htpc into suspend to ram state and be able to wake it with the power button again?

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josha:

the power button meaning the one on a remote

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wagnerrp:

i did so in the past

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wagnerrp:

theres only a handful of receivers capable of doing that

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wagnerrp:

and there are some motherboard limitations as well

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josha:

heh, i tried following the various wiki notes on it, but haven't found anything that i could get to work yet

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wagnerrp:

i used an MCEUSB receiver, and had to jumper my motherboard to provide 5VSB power to the rear USB ports

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wagnerrp:

additionally, i had to enable wake-on-PME in the bios

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josha:

ahhh i do have a mceusb receiver, but not sure ill have the mobo options.

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wagnerrp:

as well as enable wake from S3 in linux, by poking something in procfs

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josha:

i guess that will be a project for another day ;)

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wagnerrp:

additionally, i had to get some little program to reset the USB bus on resume before the receiver would function

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clever:

one of my older motherboards allowed it to wake up from space, anykey, or the special power button on the keyboard

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clever:

and if the ir receiver acted as a usb keyboard, it could fool the bios into waking

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josha:

wagnerrp and tgm thanks for the input :D

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josha:

clever ;)

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clever:

thats also the bios that spoke to you on bootup

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wagnerrp:

once i figured all that out, it worked pretty well

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wagnerrp:

off in about 10 seconds, and back on in half that

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clever:

and yeah, it had jumpers to turn standby power on/off on the ps2 port

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clever:

was actualy noticable, because the cruddy keyboard LED's would be on dimly, never fully off

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wagnerrp:

it would fault maybe once every 2–3 weeks, requiring a hit of the reset button

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** Beirdo feels like Cartmen... listening to Come Sail Away... **

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wagnerrp:

HAH

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wagnerrp:

to this day, i still cant listen to that song without hearing cartman's voice singing it

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Beirdo:

same here.

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Beirdo:

I have the original LP, and all I hear is Cartmen in my head

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

bohemian rhapsody must have a head banging dana carvey

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wagnerrp:

and the blue oyster cult always has much more cowbell than they originally recorded with

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Beirdo:

definitely

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Beirdo:

O Holy Night is a Cartmen-infested song too :)

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Beirdo:

Go South Park... making me snicker in church....

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wagnerrp:

oh? is that from the original christmas card episode?

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Beirdo:

I can't remember, but they would hit him with a cattle prod if he screwed up

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Beirdo:

and then even when he didn't

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

cant say i remember that one

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wagnerrp:

i recall when the anal probe would shock him, and he was start into 30's tunes

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wagnerrp:

s/was/would/

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Beirdo:

blast it all, now flash is borked, no audio

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Beirdo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccTnKZWKQw

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wagnerrp:

no can do... a 1GHz P3 just doesnt cut it these days

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wagnerrp:

at least when we were stuck with real media, they had an efficient video renderer

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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Beirdo:

OK, there it goes, just had to restart chrome

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wagnerrp:

say what you will about their bundling practices, their sh-- actually worked

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Beirdo:

sure did (and does)

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Beirdo:

oooh, better video

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Beirdo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wofsgfQ2VSc

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wagnerrp:

still cant watch it

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Beirdo:

sorry man

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

add it to your myth box

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wagnerrp:

do we actually have hooks into mythnetvision for remote play?

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wagnerrp:

might be interesting to see some kind of greasemonkey script that would add a 'play on X frontend'

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Beirdo:

Hmm, if not, should get some :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: is this the one where they revert to some non-denominational christmas pagent thats offensive to everyone?

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Beirdo:

It might be.

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Timrit:

good day. is there a way to record a program easily from command line over ssh to backend?

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wagnerrp:

not currently, no

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wagnerrp:

you can use mythweb

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Timrit:

yeah have no X forwarding on phone.

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Timrit:

no open ports in firewall

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wagnerrp:

now thats simply not true

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Timrit:

i am currently outside of network

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wagnerrp:

if you have no open ports, you cant ssh in, so the whole discussion is moot

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wagnerrp:

if you have open ssh, theres no reason why you couldnt have open http, and just use mythweb

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Timrit:

i am unable to get lynx to render the page correctly to change port access. i have access via ssh to box now.

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Timrit:

mythweb listens on 88

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wagnerrp:

not 80?

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Timrit:

ssh is 22, right?

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wagnerrp:

youre saying you cant bring up your router's web page on lynx over ssh to open another port?

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Timrit:

no. isp doesnt allow 80 access from outside

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wagnerrp:

if you have SSH, use SSH port forwarding

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wagnerrp:

forward some random local port to port 80 on your ssh server

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wagnerrp:

have your browser then connect to 127.0.0.1 on that random port

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wagnerrp:

ssh will forward the traffic through the tunnel

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Timrit:

not sure how to do that on connectbot

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Timrit:

oh wait

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Timrit:

guess i dont know how to get that configured.

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Timrit:

will have to research that.

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Timrit:

wagnerrp: thanks for that suggestion

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** Blaksmith pokes the ubuntu repo people... still waiting for them to publish the newest hehe **

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Timslin:

what do i need to get mythtv to work?

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wagnerrp:

you need to explain further

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wagnerrp:

what have you done so far?

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Timslin:

well i have a tv card and of course mythtv, i run mythtv setup and select country and language

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Timslin:

am then told "no Upnp"

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wagnerrp:

what tv card?

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Timslin:

WinTV-Nova

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wagnerrp:

read the installer documentation, youll want to add that card as a DVB tuner

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Blaksmith:

wagnerrp, you wouldn't happen to know about what time of day that the ubuntu repos get updated do ya?

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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Blaksmith:

didn't think so :)

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Timslin:

wagnerrp, will look at it in the morning, thanks

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yopmail... looks like another anonymous email service to ban

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** DataTracer waves **

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DataTracer:

Hi all

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DataTracer:

Anyone talking?

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DataTracer:

Beuller ...

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DataTracer:

*sigh* guess not

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DataTracer:

Anyone using Mint 12? Trying to move an older database with schema 1257 to 1264 on Mint 12/ Myth .24 and it won't upgrade the tables

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DataTracer:

Already googled a bunch but can't seem to find anyone with the exact problem or solution

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[R]:

"it wont upgrade the tables" doesnt say much

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DataTracer:

[R] what info do you need [R] ?

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DataTracer:

I'm running the backend setup...

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[R]:

probably the thing that makes you belive it "won't upgrade"

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DataTracer:

Look. I'm really tired of the snyde comments on IRC. I'll pass on help from you [R]. If you can't be constructive, then move on since it's probably "beneath you" to help someone.

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

DataTracer: he means... saying the database doesnt upgrade doesnt tell us anything, we need logs showing the specific mysql error

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DataTracer:

Running mythtv-setup I get "Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database. And... MythTV was unable to backup your database.

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DataTracer:

Sorry, I'm just getting frustrated.

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wagnerrp:

surely it says more than that

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DataTracer:

Let me grab logs or run it from the cli

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[R]:

logs! now theres an idea

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DataTracer:

http://pastebin.com/VG9pDqJJ

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DataTracer:

mythbackend.log

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[R]:

looks like it was in the middle of upgrading at some point in time

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[R]:

but didnt update the schema before it was stopped

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[R]:

restore your backup and try again

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea why this keeps happening?

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wagnerrp:

the only database upgrade issue ive seen more than this is the old UTF8 changeover

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DataTracer:

Hmm, so just drop the tables and restore from the latest file?

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wagnerrp:

thats a sure fire solution

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DataTracer:

I'll try my slightly older backup from a few days before. I've already done that once with the same result.

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wagnerrp:

assuming you can find the first backup made before the first failed upgrade

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DataTracer:

BRB

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wagnerrp:

each time you upgrade, it makes a backup before hand

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wagnerrp:

and theyre dated so they wont overlap

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wagnerrp:

so pick the first one made after the package update

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wagnerrp:

DataTracer: look for a backup with schema version 1254

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DataTracer:

ok, will do thanks

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DataTracer:

Found one, running /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl

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DataTracer:

Hmm, quick thought. Does it matter if I'm restoring as root and not the normal user I run the frontend with?

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DataTracer:

ok, going back to 1254 seems to have worked. As soon as mythfilldatabase is done, I'm going to fire up the frontend and see if it works

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DataTracer:

It's grabbing info from schedules-direct, which is a good sign!

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DataTracer:

This box has been down for over a week so listing update is taking a while.

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DataTracer:

wagnerrp: Which distro do you use?

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wagnerrp:

gentoo

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wagnerrp:

and freebsd (technically not a distro)

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DataTracer:

I thought about switching, but the constant compiling on updates was an annoyance in the past

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DataTracer:

It's been years since I gave Gentoo another try

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DataTracer:

MythBuntu worked *ok* for a while, but the latest 11.10 had too many bugs

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DataTracer:

Mint 12 seems to be pretty slick so far

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wagnerrp:

i would compile stuff on my own regardless of the distro

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wagnerrp:

gentoo just makes it simple

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DataTracer:

Yeah, I may try it again on another box

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DataTracer:

I need a frontend for my second TV, so maybe that one will get a Gentoo install :-)

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wagnerrp:

actually, since ive got three frontends running off the same image, i just update once, and clone the changes to the rest

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DataTracer:

Hmm, cool

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DataTracer:

Never done a network boot

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DataTracer:

How does that work with different hardware?

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wagnerrp:

theyre close enough that it just does

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DataTracer:

Uh oh, Just fired up the frontend... got "MythTV wants to upgrade your database for the Video schema, from 1032 to 1038. MythTV was unable to backup your database.

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wagnerrp:

plugin schemas are independent of the primary

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DataTracer:

ok, crosing fingers and hitting enter :-/

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Blaksmith:

well.. 2am my time, going to wait 10 – 15 min past the hour, and try to see if it is updated yet.... one heck of a waiting game today LOL

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** Blaksmith chuckles to himself .. same reason I'm waiting for the bleeding edge update ... but with that rev #, sounds like you are on 0.24 **

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DataTracer:

Yeah, should be the latest .24

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DataTracer:

wagnerrp: ok, looks like it's back to normal! Thanks. Loading a little slow, but I'll play around with it

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DataTracer:

Probably rebuilding png previews

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Blaksmith:

wagnerrp, you happen to know what dir the ubuntu packages would be in? maybe look at a timestamp of those files to get a better idea

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wagnerrp:

not a clue

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Blaksmith:

heh wagnerrp sure you aren't a bot? LOL.. you are up before I get up, and still up after I am ready to pass out hehe

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Blaksmith:

blah.. still nothing on the ubuntu repo ...

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wagnerrp:

how do you feel about i am a bot?

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Blaksmith:

ROFL

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Blaksmith:

IF you are, you are one hell of a good bot that has a shit-ton of human type reactions, with delays, and stuff... I've tried to make an AI program once... didn't get far hehe

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DataTracer:

wagnerrp: What is the meaning of life?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know. what do you think is the meaning of life

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DataTracer:

wagnerrp: Sounds like a bot. lol ;-)

[07:27:28]

DataTracer:

wagnerrp: After a few permissions fixes, my Mythbox is back in business! Thanks for your help!

[07:29:11]

DataTracer:

Even my skip ahead and back is working again! Had a huge problem with shows crashing when I would try to skip. I think it was due to a HD crash and a crappy XFS partition.

[07:29:20]

DataTracer:

Sticking with EXT4 from now on!

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Blaksmith:

eww, not fun with a HD crash .... still using EXT3 on my setup

[07:30:12]

DataTracer:

Can't say I recommend XFS

[07:30:32]

DataTracer:

It doesn't handle a power outage very well!

[07:30:52]

DataTracer:

Luckily I was able to recover about 95% of my shows

[07:30:54]

Blaksmith:

800 AH marine battery in my UPS FTW

[07:31:04]

DataTracer:

Yeah, I should get one

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Blaksmith:

we have power issues here... can run all 3 of my servers and my smoothwall router for over an hour during an outage

[07:31:19]

DataTracer:

Christmas present for myself! :-)

[07:31:45]

DataTracer:

I have an APS backup on my main work machine

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DataTracer:

Should get a little cheap one for the Mythbox

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Blaksmith:

cool.. I have a Belkin for my desktop, will only run about 15 min .. but also have a BEST UPS by MircoFerrups .. it's an old one, but best one I have ever had

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DataTracer:

Blaksmith: you're on the east coast I take it?

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** Blaksmith nods **

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wagnerrp:

800AH? dear lord did you need a crane to carry that thing into the house?

[07:33:58]

DataTracer:

Cool. I'm headed back on the 20th for 2 weeks

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Blaksmith:

lol wagnerrp yah... or at least a dolly.. thing weighs about 150 lbs

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wagnerrp:

thats quite impressive

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DataTracer:

Oh, Misread that as 800mH!!!

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wagnerrp:

id have figured several hundred more

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DataTracer:

You mean 800A!??

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DataTracer:

Jeez

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Blaksmith:

yah, not mA .. but A ..

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Blaksmith:

my main job is fully automated DC gensets

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DataTracer:

That's some mean battery power

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DataTracer:

Ah

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DataTracer:

Makes sense

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Blaksmith:

oh that ain't nothin to what we ship

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DataTracer:

If I need to survive an apocalypse can I come crash with you?? hah hah

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wagnerrp:

these hobby SLA batteries ive got on my desk are about 5lbs each for 7AH

[07:36:59]

wagnerrp:

linearly scaled... that would put yours over 500lbs

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Blaksmith:

one unit we keep monitoring, has generated over 14 MW of power hehe

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DataTracer:

Wow

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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wagnerrp:

at that point, screw the batteries and buy a gas turbine

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Blaksmith:

power box up in Canada .. powers up a store and a laundrymat... uses the exhaust heat to heat water for the laundrymat

[07:38:26]

Blaksmith:

3 engines, propane .. full automation

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wagnerrp:

at at 14MW

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wagnerrp:

not even at 1.4MW

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Blaksmith:

that's a year's worth of power gen

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wagnerrp:

a large store and decent laundrymat could probably run everything theyve got hooked up for under 400kW

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Blaksmith:

average load is about 250W

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Blaksmith:

err KW

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wagnerrp:

if you only need 250kW, why install 14MW?

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Blaksmith:

no... W/s actually

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Blaksmith:

250 W / second

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wagnerrp:

seriously?

[07:40:22]

wagnerrp:

250 W/s?

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wagnerrp:

W/s?

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Blaksmith:

but, over a period of a year, we have genrated over 14MW

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Blaksmith:

yes, we monitor per second, not by hour

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DataTracer:

Only people I ever knew using that kind of battery power were working on pail gun applications

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wagnerrp:

no... no no no....

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DataTracer:

rail gun

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wagnerrp:

MW is a unit of power

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wagnerrp:

instantaneous output

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Blaksmith:

ok.. MWy

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wagnerrp:

MWh is a unit of energy, which you accumulate over time

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Blaksmith:

MWh is by hour .. MWy is by year

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wagnerrp:

no

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Blaksmith:

but I was also talking accumulated *smiles*

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wagnerrp:

MWh is a unit of energy, MWy is another unit of energy

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wagnerrp:

there is no time frame over how long it took to produce that energy

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DataTracer:

All this is pretty over my head :-)

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Blaksmith:

yes.. MWh is for the last 60 min .. MWy is for the last year

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Blaksmith:

accumulated though

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wagnerrp:

no... no no no no no no no

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wagnerrp:

if you run a plant at 1MW for one year, you get 1MWy, or 8760MWh

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Blaksmith:

hmm ok.. seeing your logic..

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wagnerrp:

if you run a plant at 114W for one year, you get 1MWh

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wagnerrp:

its not logic, just simple math

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Blaksmith:

yah, simple math, but generating power, or draining power

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wagnerrp:

the unit 'W/s' is time rate of change of power output

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Blaksmith:

I think yours is for draining power... mine is for generating power

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wagnerrp:

its how fast you can spool up power output or consumption

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wagnerrp:

not how much power you are outputting at any given time

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wagnerrp:

or how much energy you have produced

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Blaksmith:

my 14MW is "how much we have output to the battery bank over the last year"

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wagnerrp:

no, it isnt

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wagnerrp:

it is the total instantaneous power output of the pack

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Blaksmith:

no, look. no time added to it.. just 14MW .. (not talking about the y / h addition)

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Blaksmith:

that could be an accumulated value

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wagnerrp:

no, no accumulation

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wagnerrp:

instantaneous

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wagnerrp:

14MJ per second

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DataTracer:

I should have taken an electrical engineering class ;-)

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wagnerrp:

when you are looking at the storage capacity of a standard car battery, would you say 600A or 40Ah?

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Blaksmith:

yah, that means producing 14 Mega Jules per second..

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DataTracer:

MIT has free online courses I think

[07:50:25]

Blaksmith:

but, change to 14 MJh it would be that you can produce upto 14 Mega Jules per HOUR

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wagnerrp:

Blaksmith: yes, which has nothing to do with the total storage capacity, just the current instantaneous power input

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Blaksmith:

oh.. I'm not talking about "storange capacity" ......

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Blaksmith:

I was talking about how much our generators have produced on this one project

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wagnerrp:

14MJ/h would be just under 4kW power input/output

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wagnerrp:

which is less than your average car battery is capable of

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wagnerrp:

car batteries are generally good for 7–10kW

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Blaksmith:

but, how about a bank of 45 Ion batteries?

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Blaksmith:

that's what we charge..

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wagnerrp:

depends on how they are wired up internally and externally

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Blaksmith:

we don't care how they are wired for the output.. we just make sure the batteries are within a certain voltage range

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Blaksmith:

we have some in military, a lot in cell towers, etc..

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wagnerrp:

what im saying is that youre getting units for power and energy all mixed up

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Blaksmith:

energy stored is a little different than energy used.. at least in the way of some forumlas..

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Blaksmith:

formulas

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wagnerrp:

only because you have to deal with battery chemistry, where you dont get 100% recovery, and the faster your storage rate, the lower your recovery percentage

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wagnerrp:

there may be some complex stuff in regards to calculating efficiency

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wagnerrp:

but the units remain the same

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Blaksmith:

the formula used for how much power generated is: now(voltage * current) + oldtotal.. there is the accumulation of the power produced

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wagnerrp:

W for instantaneous draw, Wh for storage

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wagnerrp:

the formula used for how much power is generated is V*A

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Blaksmith:

well, about the batteries themselves, that is a different project that I'm working on too .. each type of battery bank has their own fun stuff

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wagnerrp:

the formula for how much ENERGY is generated is integrate(V*A)

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wagnerrp:

or in your case, since youre doing a discrete summation, its what you said

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wagnerrp:

but that is ENERGY, not POWER

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** Blaksmith points above .. same formula **

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wagnerrp:

POWER is instantaneous

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Blaksmith:

ok, now about the wording: "Total KWH produced" ... ?

[07:58:05]

wagnerrp:

that is ENERGY, not POWER

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Blaksmith:

:P

[07:58:31]

wagnerrp:

and it only tells you much much energy was produced, not over how much time it as produced

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Blaksmith:

energy wize, the highest power gen we have, is a 30KW

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Blaksmith:

but the standard one is only 6KW

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** wagnerrp has a little 2lb motor capable of ~2.5kW **

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Blaksmith:

nice and light hehe

[08:00:01]

wagnerrp:

little two stroke, just under one cubic inch displacement

[08:00:31]

Blaksmith:

well, for the car companies, we make electric chargers that do upto 420V @ 75A

[08:01:22]

wagnerrp:

built buy a guy in Texas named Jett

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Blaksmith:

some customers want snmp in one of our network modules.. that's what I have been dealing with this last week too hehe .. SNMP is not so "simple"

[08:01:32]

wagnerrp:

i think its actually a nickname

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Blaksmith:

cool :D

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DataTracer:

Grr, trying to get my stupid Hauppauge remote to work. This is always a pain.

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Blaksmith:

blah.. "something" updated on my repo's .. but not myth :(

[08:21:26]

DataTracer:

Updating can be a real pain

[08:21:43]

DataTracer:

Trying to track down all of my custom changes for my remote

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Blaksmith:

unwanted / unexpected update too.. forgot to lock ubuntu's front end to the version that is set on the gentoo backend..

[08:22:12]

DataTracer:

Fun times

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Blaksmith:

and don't know how to "easily" restore back to a different version .. so, updated the gentoo backend to latest .. yah, db update ...

[08:22:54]

Blaksmith:

but ubuntu hasn't pushed their daily repo updates YET

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DataTracer:

Just glad I was able to solve my DB issue tonight :-)

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** Blaksmith nods **

[08:24:44]

DataTracer:

Seems like I have a handful of issues every time I upgrade

[08:25:06]

DataTracer:

This is why Mac and Windows kick our asses at mass adoption

[08:25:10]

Blaksmith:

my issues are usually small when I am forced to update

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Blaksmith:

this one is just a waiting game .. for ubuntu to push their daily updates

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DataTracer:

I still love Linux, but I hate fixing crap all the time

[08:26:07]

Blaksmith:

hehe I usually don't have much of an issue when I get things set and leave it

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DataTracer:

yeah, when I don't fiddle, it usually works fine

[08:26:42]

DataTracer:

It's just upgrade time when the headache starts

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Blaksmith:

I hate updates hehe.. unless something is broken, or one hell of an advantage to update

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DataTracer:

Well, I had a HD crash coupled with an update go wrong

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DataTracer:

So I said screw it and did a fresh install

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Blaksmith:

but then again, being a code monkey for my day job (or night, or morning, or 24/7 hehe) ... I do updates on others all the time LOL

[08:27:49]

DataTracer:

Yeah, I used to code more in a former life

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DataTracer:

I'm a photographer now

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Blaksmith:

I'm starting to want to code less..

[08:28:30]

DataTracer:

Used to be a system engineer. Built a bunch of systems for cable modem companies

[08:28:34]

Blaksmith:

but, unless I win the lottery or someting, ain't gonna happen

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DataTracer:

If it's for fun, I enjoy it, but I wouldn't want to do it for work

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Blaksmith:

yah, that's the point I'm getting to .. for fun, yes... work ... / not really

[08:29:22]

DataTracer:

Might start learning Python soon

[08:29:40]

DataTracer:

I figure I'm only about 10 years behind, lol

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Blaksmith:

hehe

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Blaksmith:

sometimes technology advances too fast heheh

[08:31:10]

DataTracer:

Not enough hours in the day!

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Blaksmith:

heh

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DataTracer:

ok, remote works with irw now. Let's try the frontend

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DataTracer:

Grr, not working. Ok, what did I miss I wonder?

[08:35:46]

DataTracer:

Sweet! Working again :-)

[08:37:09]

DataTracer:

Although now the menus are jerky and not accurate. If you hit enter on something, it will go to the item below it. Ugg. Yeat another thing to fix!

[08:39:47]

DataTracer:

might be a gnome3 issue. Think I'm going to use XFCE

[08:40:53]

Blaksmith:

I use xfce4 myself

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Blaksmith:

love it.. lighter than gnome

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DataTracer:

Yeah, I like it for a media center

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Blaksmith:

I use flux on one of my remote servers

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DataTracer:

Don't need all the gnome bulk

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DataTracer:

Never tried flux

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Blaksmith:

yah, fluxbox is even more light-weight than xfce

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DataTracer:

I was always a KDE fan, but lately Gnome and KDE are both pretty bloated

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Blaksmith:

yah, gave up KDE a long time ago.. but use kdevelop for a lot of my coding hehe

[08:43:20]

wagnerrp:

i never much liked the non-branching menu concept

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wagnerrp:

i dont like it in Windows, i dont like it in KDE

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wagnerrp:

open new menus in a NEW MENU

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wagnerrp:

dont replace the contents of the current menu

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DataTracer:

Agreed

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Blaksmith:

since I must code for the clients in C#, ..... well, kinda get used to the way it is

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wagnerrp:

and FFS, im using KDE on a screen with 1600 pixels vertical resolution, dont restrict me to a short menu 200px high

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DataTracer:

What is MATE ? It's an option in my login menu

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wagnerrp:

let me tell you about the birds and the bees....

[08:45:05]

DataTracer:

lol

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Blaksmith:

dual monitor here... set the left monitor to be my myth playback :D

[08:45:22]

Blaksmith:

23" wide

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DataTracer:

Nice

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Blaksmith:

2 23" wide actually

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wagnerrp:

triple at home, plus a laptop linked over synergy

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wagnerrp:

the 2560x1600 is a monitor at work

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DataTracer:

Mine's just an atom ion box for my bedroom

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Blaksmith:

Linux personal 2.6.36-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Thu Mar 10 12:47:10 EST 2011 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5647 @ 2.93GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

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Blaksmith:

dual quad box

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Blaksmith:

8 physical, 16 virtual hehe

[08:46:09]

DataTracer:

My main system is a Hackintosh

[08:46:39]

DataTracer:

I have to use either Windows or Mac for Photoshop, and I'd rather not use Windows at all if I can help it!

[08:47:00]

Blaksmith:

my boss was nice to me, and got this one for me .. I need more ram though

[08:47:02]

DataTracer:

Tried using Gimp, but it's just not fast enough

[08:47:20]

DataTracer:

And I need photo captioning tools that just aren't made for Linux

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Blaksmith:

only got 6g ram .. and need to upgrade the vid card ... G210 currently... does the job hehe

[08:47:25]

DataTracer:

Oh well

[08:47:37]

DataTracer:

I have 12 gigs, but I barely use it

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Blaksmith:

I run VirtualBox machines on this one for work heh

[08:48:02]

DataTracer:

My CPU is a Cire i7 920 2.66ghz

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DataTracer:

Core

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Blaksmith:

nice

[08:48:28]

DataTracer:

Didn't bother overclocking it

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Blaksmith:

heh, yah, I didn't bother OC'ing this one either

[08:48:53]

DataTracer:

I'd rather it be stable

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DataTracer:

And it's pretty screaming fast anyway

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Blaksmith:

I got more HP under this box than I have ever had.. Business class Dell Precision T7500

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DataTracer:

Nice

[08:49:38]

Blaksmith:

my myth box is a core2 duo though hehe

[08:49:45]

DataTracer:

ok, menus are working better under xfce

[08:49:55]

DataTracer:

Must have been a gnome window drawing issue

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Blaksmith:

running gentoo on it, because of the streamlining of the OS itself

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Blaksmith:

cool

[08:50:26]

DataTracer:

My Mythbox is an Atom 330 with Nvidia ION VDPAU

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DataTracer:

With the VDPAU running it barely touches the CPU

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Blaksmith:

my mythbox is actually my personal web server, email server, and backend heheh .. gentoo, kernel 3.1.1

[08:52:20]

DataTracer:

I'm planning to do that as well. I have an aging Suse box that has all that, but I can't even update it anymore

[08:52:29]

Blaksmith:

gotta do something with the free time of it hehe

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DataTracer:

So I'm going to move everything over when I have time

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Blaksmith:

just hope my 250g drive holds out for a few more years.. then I'll upgrade it to a 1 or 2 TB drive hehe

[08:53:45]

DataTracer:

Glad I bought drives before the big flood in Taiwan!

[08:53:52]

wagnerrp:

more... years?

[08:53:59]

DataTracer:

They're almost double the price lately

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Blaksmith:

the 250g drive is only 4 years old, so it has a few more years

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wagnerrp:

in years, you should rather go for SSDs at something a 250GB drive would be used for

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DataTracer:

Now that my box is back to normal, I can free up some space on my backup 1TB drive :-)

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Blaksmith:

yah, I've actually been looking into the SSD

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DataTracer:

Same here, but they're not cheap

[08:55:16]

Blaksmith:

heh, this box, I have over 4TB of data

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DataTracer:

And I've been waiting to hear about some of the firmware issues getting cleared up

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Blaksmith:

and on my myth box, I have 1TB of space

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Blaksmith:

5 drives in that box

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DataTracer:

My myth has 4tb also, 2 internals and 2 externals

[08:56:12]

DataTracer:

I have way too many drives!

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DataTracer:

But I need them for photo and video storage for work

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Blaksmith:

I can put one more in this beast ... 3 are in use,

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Blaksmith:

my myth box can't take any more though

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DataTracer:

I want a new LCD TV

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DataTracer:

Been waiting for a good deal

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wagnerrp:

three drives? five drives? psshhh

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Blaksmith:

the most drives I have had in one machine was 8 hehe

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Blaksmith:

7 SCSI, and 1 IDE

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Blaksmith:

I had a whopping 500 MEG then too!

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DataTracer:

hah hah. Never had that many

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Blaksmith:

yah, even before windows existed... I tried to get OS/2 Warp installed on it... never got it working :(

[09:00:47]

Blaksmith:

had a BBS running 4 phone lines too heh

[09:00:51]

wagnerrp:

every good mythtv user has a pile of hard drives sitting on a bench somewhere, and a pile more installed in various computers

[09:01:25]

Blaksmith:

ROFL wagnerrp yep ... I have at least 8 in the closet that are most likely dead

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Blaksmith:

I have 2 machines on my desk, one on the floor off to the side, and my router which is a smoothwall router linux box ...

[09:02:09]

DataTracer:

Yep, and a ton in boxes that are dead

[09:02:37]

DataTracer:

I mark mine with a big black X and put them in a box

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Blaksmith:

not counting what the rest of the family has LOL .. son has 3 machines running , step-daughter 1 computer, wife, her computer etc...

[09:03:22]

DataTracer:

If aliens come here in 10000 years, they'll find nothing left but dead hard drives

[09:03:29]

Blaksmith:

hah

[09:04:14]

DataTracer:

Even libraries are lending eBooks now

[09:04:26]

Blaksmith:

wheee. top of the hour ... give it a few min, see if they updated YET

[09:04:34]

Blaksmith:

oh geeze heh

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DataTracer:

Wow, you're not going to sleep eh?

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DataTracer:

It's only 1 am for me

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Blaksmith:

I've been doing 12 hour stretches for work ... I'm sleeping in ... hehe I have done probably 60 – 70 hours of work this week...

[09:05:58]

DataTracer:

oh ok

[09:06:21]

DataTracer:

Is there a way to make the XFCE bar a little nicer looking?

[09:06:21]

Blaksmith:

I work at home, so I get to set my own hours

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DataTracer:

Cool

[09:06:59]

DataTracer:

I work mostly nights

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Blaksmith:

not sure off hand... mine kinda got mixed between the gnome task bar(s) but the xfce desktop and functionality

[09:07:22]

DataTracer:

But the past couple days I had to work at 4am 2 days in a row

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Blaksmith:

fun stuff... what time is it there?

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DataTracer:

1am

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Blaksmith:

4am here now lol

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DataTracer:

In Los Angeles

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Blaksmith:

ahh ok, pacific.

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Blaksmith:

hahahhah I used to live in San Berdo county

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Blaksmith:

moved here 3 years ago

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DataTracer:

Where are you now?

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Blaksmith:

NC

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DataTracer:

I like NC

[09:08:43]

Blaksmith:

yah, near the TN border ..

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DataTracer:

I'm originally from Georgia

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Blaksmith:

up in the mountains

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Blaksmith:

ahh cool

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DataTracer:

I was just in Nashville a few weeks ago

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DataTracer:

Flyig back to Atlanta on the 20th for 2 weeks of laying around at my folks house!

[09:09:55]

Blaksmith:

heh.. nice... yah, I'm just west of Asheville

[09:10:28]

Blaksmith:

nice little vaca ... I am not even going to get 1 week off during the holidays :(

[09:10:59]

Blaksmith:

haven't taken a vacation in over a year due to lack of $ ... due at least 2 weeks worth heh

[09:11:23]

DataTracer:

Yeah, times suck right now

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DataTracer:

Glad I have a job

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Blaksmith:

well, crap .. 4am, and they STILL haven't updated.. hehe

[09:11:49]

Blaksmith:

oh yah, definately .. if I didn't have a job... dunno what I would do...

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DataTracer:

This is what I didn't like about gentoo

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Blaksmith:

I"m the Sr. Programmer of the company I work with

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DataTracer:

Cool

[09:12:27]

DataTracer:

I work for a celebrity photo agency based in Ohio

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Blaksmith:

oh cool

[09:13:00]

DataTracer:

I'm on staff so I'm guaranteed to get paid :-)

[09:13:20]

Blaksmith:

always good :D

[09:13:23]

DataTracer:

Some of my colleags are on commission only

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DataTracer:

There's potential to score higher pay for them, but it's inconsistent

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Blaksmith:

I at least made a huge breakthrough this last week with one of our projects, so HOPEFULLY they will count my overtime as overtime... instead of regular time ... sadly, it's in my job description that they can use any time over 80 hours per period as regular time.. NOT as overtime

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DataTracer:

But my buddy just had a nice payday from the USPS. His photo of Leona Lewis is on a stamp for PETA

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DataTracer:

Is that legal?

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** Blaksmith chuckles .. PETA .... sorry, not vegan / vegetarian ... PETA ... People Eating Tasty Animals **

[09:15:42]

DataTracer:

Me either

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Blaksmith:

yes, it is legal in the state of California ... and that is where the office is

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DataTracer:

We have canine teeth for a reason

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DataTracer:

Hmm

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Blaksmith:

because my job is not a physical job

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DataTracer:

I see

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Blaksmith:

it is all mental

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Blaksmith:

I looked it up too, when I lived there in cali ..

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DataTracer:

More like a service than labor

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Blaksmith:

well, since it is mostly a concentration type, and the law states that fact... hell, a lot of times, I may wake up in the middle of the night with the fix of the issue I'm working on

[09:18:08]

Blaksmith:

and a lot of the time during the day, I may sit here doing nothing because nothing is flowing

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Blaksmith:

but when the info flows.... 24/7

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DataTracer:

Yeah, I did a lot of that when I worked in tech

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DataTracer:

I used to be in charge of telecom servers that handled phone calls and voice mail

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DataTracer:

And I would be on call to fix them

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Blaksmith:

always fun

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DataTracer:

Yeah, except when you're expecting things to be fine and you go out drinking... then get a call at 4am to get to work, lol

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Blaksmith:

heh

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DataTracer:

That was fun

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Blaksmith:

well, I'm on beer #14 myself

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DataTracer:

heh heh

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Blaksmith:

after 4 days of 12 hour days.... I don't care.. I'm making it a fuck-off friday ...

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DataTracer:

Sounds like a good plan

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Blaksmith:

but, after a look at the time, and the fact that my wife just shut off the light in the livingroom ... it is time to head to bed..

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wagnerrp:

please watch your language in this channel

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Blaksmith:

hopefully ubuntu patches their chit tonight .. or I will be pissed... I like watching the news

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DataTracer:

Okee doke. Good luck with your updates!

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Blaksmith:

sorry wagnerrp

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DataTracer:

Yeah, all the little kids that come in here might get offended ;-)

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DataTracer:

G'night Blaksmith

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Blaksmith:

drunkeness typing *grins* ...

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Blaksmith:

g'night all

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DataTracer:

I'm going to hit the sack as well. Thanks again for your help earlier wagnerrp!

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Peitolm:

does anyone know if the on-disk format changed from 0.24 to the git version? my wife is complaining she can't watch any of the files with VLC any more,

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prologic:

Hmm can't find anyone in AU that sells an ASRock Vision 3D 137D

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gizmobay:

I want to assign a key a bash command to turn on my tv screen. This command will be echo. Hotkeys is the best way to go?

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gizmobay:

I'm using Ubuntu

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loganRun:

how can I change the ir-kbd-i2c module so that it is launched with hauppauge=1 option

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loganRun:

is anybody familar with how to set up lircd correclty. I set up a keytable for ir-kbd-i2c which works, but only after I unload and reload the module after a reboot, no idea why that is. but anyway so then when I press 1 on my remote I see a one on the screen, now I am trying to figure out how to set up lircd.conf

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loganRun:

I just don't understand what lircd does, it seems like it almost ignores the output from ir-kbd-i2c that I just configured, so if I press 1 it produces a keycode of 1, now if I load start lircd with lircd --driver=devinput --device=name='i2c?IR?(Hauppaauge)' I get some strange results

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loganRun:

running irw, now if I press 1 I see 0001000200000001 00 KEY_2 devinput

[15:11:40]

loganRun:

this makes no sense

[15:12:03]

loganRun:

in the lirc.conf file I have KEY_1 0x0001

[15:12:45]

loganRun:

it seems like it is take the 0002 in the middle of hte first number of the output of irw, but what the heck is that number

[15:13:55]

loganRun:

if I use the command ir-keytable --test --device /dev/input/event2 then this give the correct key names that I defined when I press number on the remote

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loganRun:

anybody know how I can get help with this

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Krusedulle:

Does anyone in here know if mythtv can be used with norwegian providers such as Canal Digital, Viasat or RiksTV?

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wagnerrp:

of course it can, the question is how

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wagnerrp:

if you can get a CAM and smart card for them, you can capture it directly

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, youre looking at analog capture and an external set top box

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Krusedulle:

ok, I'm a newbie at this.. A CAM, is that sort of an interface card reader or something?

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wagnerrp:

if theyre unencrypted, you just get a DVB tuner and record it

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Krusedulle:

they're encrypted

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wagnerrp:

if they are encrypted, you need a card with a CI (common interface) slot, and a CAM (conditional access module) to slot into it, as well as a smartcard from the provider to program the CAM

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wagnerrp:

a CAM handles decryption of the content, and is a PCMCIA form factor

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Krusedulle:

ok

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Krusedulle:

Some hard to find equipment then...

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Krusedulle:

Except for the card..

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loganRun:

I am still trying to get infrared remote set up, I don't understand how ir-keytable and lirc interact

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hashbang:

hmm, any idea why MythWeb's "New Titles, Premieres" canned search is not finding any matches?

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loganRun:

it seems like ir-kbd-i2c outputs to /dev/input/event3, but I don't know how ir-keytable and lircd fit into the picture

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loganRun:

also does anyone know how I can get the source code for ir-kbd-i2c

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loganRun:

does anyone know who I can get in touch with about the infrared stuff

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Blaksmith:

hmm ubuntu STILL has not updated

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Blaksmith:

it's been over 24 hours

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Blaksmith:

any other way to get these two synched up? because the ubuntu repo's are still not updated, and the frontend is saying it wants to upgrade the database, but the backend is running schema 1291, which was the latest as of yesterday

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wagnerrp:

build your own packages

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Blaksmith:

hehe, yah, I guess that is one way

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Blaksmith:

didn't wanna go that route, but...... sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

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** Blaksmith sighs .. firs thing out of the gate ... Lame MP3 must be installed... look in synaptic, and it is installed .. **

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Blaksmith:

first*

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clever:

but do you have the -dev package of it?

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Blaksmith:

do now heh

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Blaksmith:

ugh .. more dependency hell... hehe my ubuntu box I wanted to keep to whatever is in repos, not build by hand .. just because of this reason .. my backend box on the other hand ...

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Blaksmith:

heh, knowing my luck, as soon as I finish compiling it by hand, the ubuntu repo will be updated hehehe

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Timslin:

during setup in scanning for channels but it keeps saying Time Out, no channels or no signal

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Blaksmith:

this is interesting .. the shows recorded with the older version are a light blue lettering, while the ones recorded with the new version the lettering is bright wight

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Blaksmith:

white

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Blaksmith:

but, I got it installed and working :D

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iamlindoro:

You're using master, therefore you're reading commits, therefore you know exactly what that means

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Blaksmith:

except I have no audio ... hehe

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Blaksmith:

I haven't read all of the commit entries, so I actually do not know what it means, but not worried about it at this time.. I need to figure out why I have no audio though :(

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Blaksmith:

hmm, alsa is not compiled in ..

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: wasnt someone working on proper mythvideo integration in mythweb?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: not that I'm aware

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wagnerrp:

not doug haber?

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iamlindoro:

Blaksmith: Basically, using master means we expect you to be closely following commits-- it frustrates us developers very much to have to provide support because people are using development code but not at least meeting us half way

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: nope, don't think so

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wagnerrp:

ok, for some reason i thought there was

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wagnerrp:

just curious in reference to this XMLvideolist

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Blaksmith:

iamlindoro, that's understandable .. I don't always want to update, but with my setup, and the auto updates of this ubuntu box keeps forcing me (because I forgot to lock it this last time)... but once it is set now, it will be set until I want to manually update for whatever reason

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yuck

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** wagnerrp sets to work in doing so... **

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Blaksmith:

forgot to install the alsa dev libs... get to re-compile again heheh

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is the Services GetVideoList just ordered by intid?

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wagnerrp:

im thinking i would like to implement those assorted views

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wagnerrp:

in which case it would make more sense to either pull those from the database directly

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wagnerrp:

or implement a new method in the services to do that structuring server side

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Blaksmith:

yay.. got audio now .. and all things are set so it won't update unless I want to manually update hehe

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yes, by intid

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iamlindoro:

used to just be in the order it came out of the DB, but needed to be able to get latest/oldest/etc. so I reworked it

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wagnerrp:

any preference as to the inputs?

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wagnerrp:

i was figuring a 'view' and 'base'

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wagnerrp:

base, so it wouldnt have to pull the whole tree

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm not clear on what you're trying to accomplish

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wagnerrp:

all the various view modes in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

for sorting by something other than directory structure

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wagnerrp:

i dont want to have to pull the entire list and process it client side each time

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wagnerrp:

but rather let the server process it, and potentially cache it

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iamlindoro:

I don't know, it would require a ton of reworking of the metadata classes

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iamlindoro:

And not sure how you would format it in the returned data

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wagnerrp:

hmm... well i guess i can get to that later

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iamlindoro:

I don't want to discourage it, I am just not not sure how it fits with the rest of the API consistencywise, and would be interested to see how you planned to format it in JSON and XML

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wagnerrp:

i figured i would have independent grabs of the tree structure and the content in the tree

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wagnerrp:

pull the full folder tree for one view in one command

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wagnerrp:

and then pull the specific content in one folder with the other

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wagnerrp:

possibly with paging for large folders

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wagnerrp:

that way, i could avoid trying to mix two different types of object in the same response

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wagnerrp:

i was hoping to able to cache the constructed views somehow, because some of them can take a decent amount of time to generate

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wagnerrp:

i figure they could be expired after a couple minutes, or a VIDEO_LIST_UPDATE

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: might be worth adding the artwork selections to the returned directory structure

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wagnerrp:

there does not seem to be any mysql command to find the last occurrence of a substring

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you could reverse the string and then do a locate on the reversed substring

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wagnerrp:

you know... that would actually be the _easiest_ way to do it

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Beirdo:

kinda hokey, I know :)

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wagnerrp:

and frankly, thats disturbing

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wagnerrp:

right now, ive got a mix of a bunch of lengths, and substrings, and indexes

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wagnerrp:

and by all rights, it should be working even in its excessive complexity

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wagnerrp:

but its not

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: that still doesnt work

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sphery:

wagnerrp: My only theory is that the "Table 'internetcontent' already exists" error occurs because the user (or distro-provided script?) kills the backend before it finishes the upgrade--likely because they think it's not running because it's not responding because it hasn't finished starting, yet?

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wagnerrp:

glitchyness with unicode text

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you have any idea how i might get an accurate path from videometadata.filename?

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wagnerrp:

so i can distinct it

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sphery:

meaning everything up to the last /

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

or, do i just pull the whole thing in, and filter in php

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wagnerrp:

caching the results for later use

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: how odd

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wagnerrp:

i think ill just take a stab at the API stuff instead

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** Timrit sees this in the future...... **

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Timrit:

mythbackend --record -now --channel 3 --end-time 20:00

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sphery:

wagnerrp: something like: SELECT SUBSTRING_INDEX(filename,'/',-1) FROM videometadata;

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sphery:

perhaps?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats the exact opposite, it returns the filename, omitting the path

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wagnerrp:

Timrit: for what purpose?

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Timrit:

wagnerrp: that situation i had last night.

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sphery:

ah, you want path

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wagnerrp:

manual scheduling is highly discouraged in the face of accurate guide data

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wagnerrp:

why make it easier to accomplish something that should rarely be done

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, im wanting to build an independent folder and file list

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wagnerrp:

dont worry too much about it

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wagnerrp:

it would only be temporary code for testing anyway

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, it's ugly and someone more mysql-enabled might have a better solution, but this works: SELECT REPLACE(filename, SUBSTRING_INDEX(filename,'/',-1), '') FROM videometadata;

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sphery:

assuming that we only use / and not \

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: which of the image types are supported for folders?

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wagnerrp:

im guessing coverart, fanart, and banner?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i see what you mean by this being a significant undertaking

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