Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 6th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

and, ttbomk, we don't have upcoming recording info/schedule stuff available on the services api, right?

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wagnerrp:

X0x0ojessiicai0x0x... i think thats a name ripe for a bannin'

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sphery:

(yet)

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wagnerrp:

just got onto the wiki to check

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wagnerrp:

theres DVR/GetUpcomingList and DVR/GetConflictList which would likely do the trick

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sphery:

ah, yeah, think iamlindoro added those when some user last asked about this type of thing

[00:09:22]

wagnerrp:

jams: if youre mostly looking to replicate mythtv-status, what is it that mythtv-status doesnt already do that you want?

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wagnerrp:

(such that youre looking to modify it to do something else)

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pyther:

Hi there

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pyther:

I could be incredibly stupid, but I'm looking to scan for unencryted QAM channels. I'm in Northeast Ohio, cable provider is Time Warner Cable, any frequency that might generate some hits?

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sphery:

do a full scan

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pyther:

sphery: ok, but what frequency table should I try?

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sphery:

us-cable, then if that doesn't work, us-cable-hrc

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sphery:

and, finally, if neither worked, you could try us-cable-irc

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sphery:

(though irc is basically the same as normal, but with channels 5 and 6 changed)

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pyther:

do I want QAM-256?

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sphery:

likely, yes

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sphery:

they might have QAM-64 (or might have both), but 256 is most common

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pyther:

trying to use dvbscan says "Unable to query frontend status

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sphery:

for mythtv, you need to use mythtv-setup to scan

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sphery:

but you'll still have to make your capture card work first

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pyther:

it works with OTA channels

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sphery:

(you likely have a problem with driver or firmware installation or configuration or permissions)

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sphery:

your distro's channel or forum or mailing list would likely give you much better help at configuring low-level system devices than we can here, in a mythtv channel

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pyther:

nah the card works just fine, in myth and on the system

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sphery:

then use mythtv-setup to scan

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pyther:

well I got it scanning unfortantly it isn't finding anything

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sphery:

pyther: you likely need to increase the tuning and signal timeouts in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

to at least 3000/5500

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sphery:

(and if that's all it is, please let me know and I'll see about changing the defaults)

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sphery:

pyther: also, out of curiosity, which capture card?

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pyther:

KWORLD ATSC 115

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pyther:

pretty much a piece of crap :P

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sphery:

well, it's much better than an analog frame grabber

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pyther:

haha, true

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sphery:

in general, with digital tuners, if you can get it to work, you're good--quality isn't much of a concern (at least until it fails)

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pyther:

who knows maybe my provider isn't provding uncencrypted channels

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pyther:

I think I have too much electricity coming from my OTA attenna

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pyther:

I got sparks when both my OTA and cable coax made contact with the PC case :-/

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sphery:

as far as the unencrypted channels go, TTBOMK, they should be sending at least the locals in ClearQAM (assuming you have a valid cable TV subscription and aren't just hoping to steal it off a cable-Internet-only line)

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sphery:

as far as the sparks... 8-|

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sphery:

(maybe needs a better ground connection?)

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pyther:

that is what I'm thinking

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pyther:

it is suppose to be grounded to a pipe in the house, not sure it is doing its job

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pyther:

but the roof antenna coax cable is in poor shape

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pyther:

frayed all over the place, foil is exposed in most location on the wire

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sphery:

sweet! Pandora is playing: "Still Alive" by "GLaDOS & Jonathan Coulton" on "Still Alive (Radio Single)"

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sphery:

didn't know there was a radio single of this... I've only heard it in the game

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Twiggy2cents:

There isnt

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Twiggy2cents:

The genre is video game music or something

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Twiggy2cents:

I have found it on there before, what station are you on Still Alive station?

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sphery:

no, it's my favorites

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Twiggy2cents:

So it turns out that opengl video render is not going to work with my setup

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sphery:

has 13 artists, 25 songs, and 178 feedbacks(love its)

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Twiggy2cents:

It was tearing again, it was definitely horizontal tears going across on the moving objects

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sphery:

listening to one-song "stations" doesn't give any real variety

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Twiggy2cents:

That is on max performance. I am positive I have sync to vblank enabled for opengl in nvidia-settings

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, I use pandora at work and I will usually quickmix all of my stations to get variety. When you listen to it 8 hours a day 5 days a week it is hard to get variety

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sphery:

then it's likely that you have other things enabled that are borking it

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sphery:

like composite extension and/or window manager doing bad gl things

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Twiggy2cents:

ugh damn borking things

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Twiggy2cents:

I havent disabled the composite extension

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Twiggy2cents:

I forget what wiki page talked about it

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sphery:

I'd guess that you'd get variety if you'd properly seed it with artists, songs, feedback, etc.

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont know if it is enabled by default or not

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah all my artists are pretty much the same

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sphery:

I've been listening to it a ton and have a lot of variety

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Twiggy2cents:

I have 29 stations and I need to delete most of them so it isnt so cluttered

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Twiggy2cents:

Alright I disabled the composite extension, time for x server restart and try again

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you fixed this, right? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/496813#496813 ... I can't repro it with current master

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Twiggy2cents:

Allow flipping should be enabled right?

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sphery:

in nvidia settings?

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sphery:

no idea

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah

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Twiggy2cents:

I would guess that is for flipping the buffer

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sphery:

I don't know why it would even need a flipping buffer

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sphery:

(now I miss The IT Crowd)

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

Alright time to try it again

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sphery:

can't believe they cancelled Series 5... :(

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pyther:

sphery: anything to be concerned about?

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pyther:

>>> tune to: 861000000:QAM_256

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pyther:

__tune_to_transponder:1912: ERROR: Setting frontend parameters failed: 22 Invalid argument

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sphery:

for some people that's not a problem (I think for DVB-S users?)

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sphery:

for some, it means misconfigured system

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Twiggy2cents:

Well it seems to be working, again

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Twiggy2cents:

I will have to wait and see since when I test it it works fine.

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: is this a vdpau capable card?

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah but everybody says vdpau is last resort

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Twiggy2cents:

I used vdpau and was mostly happy until wagnerrp talked me out of it and into using the cpu

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sphery:

you can use ffmpeg decode and vdpau rendering

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sphery:

that's what I do

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sphery:

and I love that combo

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sphery:

and vdpau decode isn't bad if it handles the content you want to watch

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sphery:

when did this ugly MMUnix:CheckMountable DBus garbage go in?

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sphery:

really, I love how it delays startup of my system by 5s

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Twiggy2cents:

Video rendering aside, if I transcode something(using mythtv's transcoder) will it keep the commercial flag list? I forget what that list is called

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: im not saying dont use VDPAU... im saying dont rely on VDPAU

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Twiggy2cents:

Will I loose the ability to skip commercials

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wagnerrp:

have enough CPU to fall back on should you need it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i couldnt fix it because i couldnt repro it

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wagnerrp:

that command worked on my machine

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, guess I'm in the same boat, then :)

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: no, it doesn't keep flag list

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Twiggy2cents:

Well my CPU can handle it and it seems to be working fine. The only issue I have with xvideo is the osd in videos. It's not really a big deal for me. If opengl renderer keeps giving me issues I will just go back to xvideo

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Twiggy2cents:

Thanks

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wagnerrp:

no, you shouldnt be using xvideo, period

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sphery:

yeah, don't use Xv

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wagnerrp:

opengl or vdpau

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sphery:

use VDPAU (best) or OpenGL (for cards that don't support VDPAU)

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Twiggy2cents:

Why is Xv so bad? The osd was the only issue I saw

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Twiggy2cents:

What am I missing with it?

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wagnerrp:

because xvideo doesnt do anything

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sphery:

and use any decoder you want--standard or VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

it does not support any on screen display of any sort

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sphery:

because it was designed >20yrs ago

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sphery:

the same reason you don't use Windows 2.11

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wagnerrp:

all it does is scale and convert colorspace

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wagnerrp:

which means your OSD must be baked into the video before being sent to the video card

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont use windows 2.11 because they dont support PAE

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wagnerrp:

meaning your OSD is rendered at video resolution rather than display resolution

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, you shouldnt be using PAE either

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Twiggy2cents:

The newer cards can support quite a bit more formats with vdpau cant they?

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Twiggy2cents:

I was joking about PAE, I dont

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: and Xv doesn't support proper video rendering :)

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wagnerrp:

the newer cards get MPEG4ASP

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wagnerrp:

which means (for the most part) divx and xvid

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Twiggy2cents:

I thought that was required for more than xx amount of memory.

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wagnerrp:

yes, PAE allows you to page out segments of memory in 32-bit systems

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wagnerrp:

however no one should be running 32-bit systems with more than 4GB of memory

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Twiggy2cents:

SO what happens if I try to watch an unsupported format with vdpau?

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Twiggy2cents:

Oh so 64bit means there is no need for PAE

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wagnerrp:

PAE meant the system was still restricted to viewing a 4GB window of memory at any given time

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wagnerrp:

but the userspace portion of that could be shuffled around

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sphery:

Based on my observations, it seems that those who watch unsupported video formats with vdpau are required to spend half an hour or more writing up a rant to send to the -users list, talking about how terrible MythTV is and that it's amazing that their /modern/ *dual-core* atom system can't play back a simple video

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wagnerrp:

allowing a 32-bit system to access more than 4GB, just not more at any single point in time

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sphery:

oh, and they have to say that it works fine on XBMC on their Windows box

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Twiggy2cents:

"GT2xx and newer GPUs can additionally decode ASP (divx/xvid/mpeg4)" I have a g210 Would that mean that mine doesnt have that or is that a mistype on their part?

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Twiggy2cents:

sphery, I guess what I meant was, if I wanted to watch the unsupported video would it crash? black screen? sit at please wait?

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wagnerrp:

you gave a GT210, there is no such thing as a G210

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Twiggy2cents:

oh

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Twiggy2cents:

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

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Twiggy2cents:

So the card is a GT and the family is just 210?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: know anything about the MMUnix:CheckMountable DBus garbage

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wagnerrp:

GT218 is the chip, GT210 is the graphics card, GT2xx is the family

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wagnerrp:

its part of the media monitor stuff

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wagnerrp:

trying to interface with dbus, and repeatedly failing to connect before giving up

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Twiggy2cents:

Searching google shows that G210 is a valid card

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wagnerrp:

google would be invalidated by people who dont know what theyre talking about

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Twiggy2cents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series#Products

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wagnerrp:

not seeing a G210

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Twiggy2cents:

It goes GeForce 210 to GeForce GT220

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wagnerrp:

GeForce 210 != G210

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wagnerrp:

you could potentially abbreviate it a GF210

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wagnerrp:

huh... the only card in that whole series not marked with a GT

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Twiggy2cents:

That is kinda what I was pointing out

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wagnerrp:

in any case, its a GeForce 210, and a GeForce GT220

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wagnerrp:

not a GeForce G210

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wagnerrp:

G210 is still wrong

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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sphery:

G, that's confusing

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sphery:

crazy marketing department

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wagnerrp:

wow, seems they actually did produce a 'G210' card, but it was only available to OEMs

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Twiggy2cents:

Well the excerpt I posted from the wiki talks about GT2xx and newer GPU's. Would that mean that mine would be included since the GPU is GT218?

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wagnerrp:

meaning you can only get one if you buy a PC pre-built with one installed

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

ALSO the G210 has the same code name as a GeForce 210

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wagnerrp:

but its the OEM naming

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wagnerrp:

so people who buy a card and call it that are still wrong

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** wagnerrp throws arms up in victory **

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Twiggy2cents:

Psh

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Twiggy2cents:

I think the forgot the G for it. The mobile is also G210

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sphery:

considering I have media monitor disabled, this CheckMountable thing is /really/ annoying

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wagnerrp:

well then you just need to install dbus

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Twiggy2cents:

Seeing as how also on the oem and mobile the next card is GT220

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wagnerrp:

the mobile chips are all only OEM

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wagnerrp:

since consumers dont build laptops

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Twiggy2cents:

Ugh

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sphery:

Why would I want DBus

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sphery:

(actually, DBus is installed--just not running GNOME/KDE crap)

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wagnerrp:

and when they take a GT218 chip, and stuff it on a board with an underpowered processor

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wagnerrp:

they dont call it G210M, they call it ION2

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wagnerrp:

sphery: to make the startup warnings go away

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sphery:

If I wanted to run Windows, I'd actually run Windows

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Twiggy2cents:

The fact is the naming scheme they used is the same on all of them except for this "anomaly"

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's installed... it's just trying to hit some nodes that don't exist, tries repeatedly for 5 seconds, then gives up

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sphery:

2011-12–05 20:31:12.910703 A MMUnix:CheckMountable: DBus interface error: The name org.freedesktop.UDisks was not provided by any .service files

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sphery:

because I don't want /anything/ to auto-mount any file system on my computers

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Twiggy2cents:

Regardless, I am going to try opengl and see how that goes now. If that fails I may use VDPAU but report that I am using Xv just to spite you

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Twiggy2cents:

:)

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

I will salt and burn your bones!

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

Well time to watch some tv

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sphery:

yeah, I think I'm almost there...

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sphery:

though this DBus garbage is throwing off the "relax" part of the "relax and watch TV" plan

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sphery:

This constant re-polling (if it's really necessary) should either be done in a different thread or otherwise modified so it doesn't actually delay startup

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** Captain_Murdoch agrees. **

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sphery:

ah, someone removed the ability to disable media monitor

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sphery:

so it seems I don't have media monitor disabled, anymore

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sphery:

ok, so my stomach wins, and it's dinner time, now, with this investigation tabled (and, rightly put on my TODO list under the more-important things I need to finish for 0.25--like the log viewer service)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, we've always had the MMUnix DBus check (and it always gave me an error), but https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/cfcf7d640 wrapped it in a loop to poll for 5s for systems that start apps and (dependent) services in parallel--i.e. systems with broken init/startup scripts, like upstart

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wagnerrp:

why not just run that asynchronously?

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wagnerrp:

why does it need to be active on startup?

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sphery:

good question

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sphery:

Beirdo: did you look into why we do that at startup?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend has some form of housekeeper right?

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sphery:

^^^

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sphery:

not really, TTBOMK... but if nothing else, we should be able to do that /after/ starting/displaying the frontend interface, I'd guess

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sphery:

I still think it's not a bad idea to just, er, require people to fix their broken systems that start up apps before the services they depend on start

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sphery:

and this is exactly what I meant by asynchronous startup being "the hard way", and exactly why it shouldn't be a default

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sphery:

in spite of the fact that packagers have assured me "it's not that hard" and "users don't even have to worry about it, because the packagers will get it right"

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wagnerrp:

if youre running mythfrontend on boot, mythfrontend is the absolute last thing that needs to start

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

so why whould it be starting in parallel with other stuff?

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sphery:

but, maybe my thinking that's the way startup should happen is /why/ I'm not creating a distro... because I think too small

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Beirdo:

never looked at it, no

[02:23:46]

sphery:

anyway, I completely understand why you wouldn't have seen any issue with that patch, Beirdo--as 99.999999% of all systems in existence would actually be using the dbus UDisks service stuff... (and I fully admit my system is the exception and not the rule)

[02:24:50]

sphery:

I'm against it more in philosophy--my being against the whole upstart philosophy--than anything else

[02:24:58]

sphery:

but I'll figure out a good compromise, eventually

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sphery:

I'm guessing only people using udisks-daemon will have that DBus node: http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/udisks/udisks-daemon.8.html

[02:27:25]

sphery:

that seems to indicate, though, that the broken design is in udisks-daemon's "automatically started by dbus-daemon(1) whenever an application calls into the org.freedesktop.UDisks service" and DBus's returning an error on first access

[02:28:25]

wagnerrp:

you know what the real solution is, right?

[02:28:35]

sphery:

what?

[02:28:48]

wagnerrp:

scrap the mediamonitor, transition it to mythbackend/mythmediaserver

[02:28:53]

sphery:

+1

[02:29:01]

wagnerrp:

and update all the plugins to access it over storage groups from received events

[02:29:35]

wagnerrp:

speaking of which, ive been meaning to give that thing some real testing some time before release

[02:29:45]

** sphery schedules his working on this issue for right after wagnerrp finishes his plan **

[02:30:07]

wagnerrp:

i thought that was capt'm's plan

[02:30:12]

sphery:

yeah, I need to get my mythjobqueue changing connection type patch in before 0.25

[02:30:22]

sphery:

and then was thinking of putting mythtvd in place

[02:30:54]

sphery:

then between mythmediaserver and mythjobqueue, we could cut down on a large number of the uses of mythbackend without tuners

[02:32:59]

mazda01:

i used ssh -Y mythtv-backend and when I try to launch mythtv-setup I get an X error. is it because I am running a headless machine?

[02:33:10]

mazda01:

The program 'zenity' received an X Window System error.

[02:33:23]

wagnerrp:

do you at least have the x11 libraries needed to run an X application?

[02:33:26]

sphery:

which version of mythtv?

[02:33:26]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what zenity is

[02:33:42]

mazda01:

sphery, .23.1+fixes from mythbuntu repos

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wagnerrp:

something gnome...

[02:33:58]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, yes, i thought i did. i just made it so the window manager doesn't start up

[02:34:01]

wagnerrp:

mythtv should not be using zenity for anything

[02:34:13]

sphery:

Yeah, I think zenity is the thing that was supposed to pop up an error message for him

[02:34:20]

sphery:

some distro/window manager/... thing

[02:34:26]

wagnerrp:

try running mythtv-setup.real instead

[02:34:29]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, well, i am ssh'd in from another computer in my network, trying to access the mythtv-setup

[02:34:41]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, ok, 1 sec

[02:35:55]

sphery:

could also upgrade to 0.24-fixes

[02:36:08]

sphery:

not that it would fix your issue, but just because it's so much better than 0.23-fixes

[02:36:14]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, that worked but it's slow as a dog. LOL the backend is an ancient dell dimension 8200

[02:36:35]

wagnerrp:

youre doing this over a local network, right?

[02:36:36]

mazda01:

sphery, i don't doubt it's better, just don't like messing with something that "just works"

[02:36:40]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, yes

[02:36:57]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, the warning is because it currently recording something. DAH ME.

[02:37:03]

mazda01:

face to palm

[02:37:04]

sphery:

we really need to get that time bomb code working

[02:37:35]

wagnerrp:

its probably running slow because its trying to do opengl through mesa

[02:37:50]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, so the mythtv-setup.real did work and the error I see is, "hey dumbass, what are you doing, i am working here". LMFAO

[02:37:59]

mazda01:

obviously joking.........

[02:38:18]

wagnerrp:

it will let you run mythtv-setup while the backend is recording

[02:38:30]

sphery:

biggest problem is getting consensus from those of us who want to actually start corrupting data when a user uses an old version of mythtv and those that just want to disable functionality...

[02:38:30]

wagnerrp:

it just warns you

[02:38:33]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, well at least i know what to try when my GF's american country music awards are done recording. LOL

[02:38:56]

wagnerrp:

theres no harm in stopping that

[02:39:19]

sphery:

yeah, aren't there like 5 different country music award shows, these days?

[02:39:25]

sphery:

just catch the next one

[02:39:27]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, LOL. Ah, i would like something special tonight so I will NOT be stopping her recording. LOL

[02:39:46]

mazda01:

sphery, huh, let me look at my listings and do a search

[02:39:56]

sphery:

was a joke

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sphery:

(referencing things like CMA awards and CMT awards and ACM awards and ...)

[02:40:52]

mazda01:

sphery, ah, sorry my interwebz sarcasim detector is off tonight. LOL

[02:41:40]

mazda01:

since I have your ear, I have 20GB being used by deleted recordings, since I have slow delete enabled is that why they're still there and not just delted immediately?

[02:41:45]

sphery:

yeah, I probably shouldn't be talking in channel 'til I've eaten some dinner... too hungry, now, so I'm being ornery

[02:41:56]

wagnerrp:

i remember one time during the CMA

[02:42:10]

wagnerrp:

Charlie Rich set the award on fire, rather than hand it over to John Denver

[02:42:33]

sphery:

mazda01: did you /just/ delete them recently? slow deletes will delete at some speed up to as slow as 7min/GB

[02:42:49]

mazda01:

sphery, yes, that's it then. thanks!

[02:42:56]

sphery:

(on 0.23-fixes... no slower than 2min/GB for 0.24 fixes)

[02:43:30]

mazda01:

sphery, it's ok, i am always dwindling around 8gb of free space on my storage groups though.

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mazda01:

sphery, then there's another 40gb of expirable recordings

[02:43:52]

sphery:

it should always delete faster than you can record, so should keep ahead of things

[02:44:01]

mazda01:

sphery, ok, sounds good.

[02:44:26]

sphery:

ah, yeah, should keep ahead of things as long as you have deleted shows or expirable shows :)

[02:44:38]

mazda01:

yeah, so i just looked and there's no other American Country Awards on TV for me. At least not in the next 2 weeks (i use shcedules direct. milwaukee, wi TWC)

[02:44:58]

wagnerrp:

nothing? no one got the reference?

[02:45:02]

sphery:

yeah, the others are all different times of year

[02:45:14]

** wagnerrp is disappointed by all'l ya'll **

[02:45:14]

sphery:

just saying we have a lot of them these days

[02:45:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, I don't know my country... I recognize the name John Denver, but...

[02:45:54]

mazda01:

lol, sorry don't know charlie rich. ***fliching***** LMAO

[02:45:54]

wagnerrp:

i dont know crap about country either

[02:47:01]

sphery:

ok, then maybe I'm just too slow/dense :)

[02:47:11]

mazda01:

me too

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mazda01:

im sure American Country Awards will be up on a torrent site though

[02:48:17]

wagnerrp:

we dont talk about such around here

[02:48:23]

wagnerrp:

see /topic

[02:48:25]

mazda01:

right, sorry

[02:48:47]

sphery:

yeah, you probably misspelled hulu, there

[02:49:04]

mazda01:

i do however hope that big wigs see the purpose of torrents being for legitament purposes. LInux distros for one

[02:49:18]

mazda01:

sphery, I did. mean hulu or itunes

[02:49:39]

mazda01:

ok, back on topic

[02:49:43]

mazda01:

me sorry guys

[02:50:30]

sphery:

speaking of which, only days after LoveFilm (European version of Netflix) switched to Silverlight, the XBox 360 will get LoveFilm support (tomorrow's XB360 update)

[02:50:54]

wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IXWoGhPaQ#t=3m40s

[02:50:59]

mazda01:

sphery, its tomorrow? i've been in the BETA. I love the new dashboard. it's very sharp!

[02:51:08]

sphery:

yeah, tomorrow's the update

[02:51:19]

sphery:

I haven't seen it, yet, but hear it's very Metro-like

[02:52:02]

sphery:

wagnerrp: is there no audio on that?

[02:52:08]

wagnerrp:

i get audio

[02:52:12]

sphery:

weird.

[02:52:13]

wagnerrp:

is your sound muted?

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mazda01:

sphery, yeah, it's awesome. If i didn't sign a NDA I would show you a quick pic captured with my cap card

[02:52:24]

sphery:

not on system...

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mazda01:

sphery, i get audio on it also. funny stuff there wagnerrp

[02:52:29]

sphery:

maybe in this flash garbage...

[02:52:40]

mazda01:

sphery, yeap, flash it fun stuff hey? LOL

[02:52:41]

sphery:

not in flash

[02:52:59]

sphery:

but, anyway, the title explains why I didn't get the reference, wagnerrp

[02:54:12]

sphery:

wagnerrp: oh... volume on my monitor is turned down to 0 because I just figured out that the annoying hum/high-pitched squeal I've been hearing for a couple of years is from the in-monitor speakers

[02:54:27]

sphery:

hehe, guess I need some external speakers for this system, now

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mazda01:

sphery, lol. sounds like the time I was really irritated I couldn't get a customers freshly reimaged machine to play audio. spent hours reinstalling drivers in XP and everything. turned out to be an audio volume control on the front of the laptop,. FACE TO PALM!!!

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sphery:

hehe, I helped a friend upgrade his mythtv system... while doing so, we decided to use a discrete sound card rather than the (garbage) integrated sound card on his mobo. We spent about 20 minutes trying to get sound to work--before we realized that we had the cable plugged into the integrated sound card, not the discrete

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sphery:

explained why it /looked/ like it worked (in spite of our ears saying otherwise)

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mazda01:

lol

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, thanks for the heads up on chaos order... I can't imagine how confusing it would have been in the airdate order

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** skd5aner hearts X11 forwarding **

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skd5aner:

(...via ssh)

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wagnerrp:

boo

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skd5aner:

oh, here we go

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wagnerrp:

tunnels? where were going, we dont need tunnels...

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mazda01:

lol

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wagnerrp:

"Lovefilm's movie streaming will switch from Flash to Silverlight on PCs in 2012"

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sphery:

yeah, they're doing an overlap for about a month

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dekarl:

sphery: thanks for signing off

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ahhughez:

can anyone tell me what "wake on ring" is in the bios?

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justinh:

what bios? whose bios? what's a bios? what's a ring?

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ahhughez:

my myth machine is looking like it might soon be a boat anchor

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ahhughez:

now mythwelcome wont shut it down

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justinh:

that's sad

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justinh:

I don't use mythwelcome, but I hear it can be a PITA

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ahhughez:

you're telling me, I love linux.. but this is a real test...

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ahhughez:

2011-12–06 21:20:40.036 MythWelcome received a SHUTDOWN_NOW event

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justinh:

instead of being a tightwad/tree-hugger I leave my backend on 24/7

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ahhughez:

I get that twice in the logs, then nothing happens

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ahhughez:

how can I manually run the shutdown command in a terminal to see what might be wrong?

[10:54:45]

justinh:

if I had any idea how to configure mythwelcome I'd help

[10:54:58]

justinh:

let's see...

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ahhughez:

hmmm, I get the 30sec idle timeout which dumps that log. But still nothing happens..

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justinh:

heh. dunno wtf is wrong with mythwelcome, but it's not working here

[10:56:20]

justinh:

it starts mythfrontend by itself, but displays no menu

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ahhughez:

that cant be good

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justinh:

oh wait – it uses the command *you* configure to do the shutdown?

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justinh:

so basically all that's likely wrong is that the user it runs as isn't privileged to do the shutdown

[10:58:44]

ahhughez:

I cant remember how I get to this screen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:WelcomeScreen3.jpg

[10:58:59]

ahhughez:

this *was* working

[10:59:58]

ahhughez:

I added the following line in sudo visudo....

[11:00:02]

ahhughez:

%mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh, /usr/bin/mythshutdown

[11:00:59]

justinh:

ahhughez: it's in mythtv-setup I think

[11:02:38]

ahhughez:

nope, I can't find it there

[11:03:17]

ahhughez:

its in mythwelcome, press i

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ahhughez:

actually, the main mythwelcome config is F11

[11:07:23]

justinh:

no, nothing is bound to F11 by default AFAIK

[11:07:59]

justinh:

and why the hell is INFO the bloody menu key?!

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justinh:

whoah.. and why is F11 a setup menu key for this?

[11:08:59]

justinh:

seriously.. that's stupid

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ahhughez:

argh, this is circumstantial... it just finished a recording and it shutdown. W00T at least that is working, but when its trying to shutdown and there is something on the recording schedule it fails

[11:24:48]

ahhughez:

I think this will be a mailing list post :'(

[11:28:29]

justinh:

it won't shutdown if there are recordings scheduled within the idle period

[11:30:17]

ahhughez:

copy, but thats not the case.

[11:31:12]

ahhughez:

says "idle and will shutdown in..." "30".. "20... "10". At that's where it hangs.. at 10. Becuase nothing happens at 0

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ahhughez:

it'll kick me off irc again in a sec too

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justinh:

you sure you're running everything as the right user?

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skd5aner:

Now I remember why I didn't rip all of these TV series box sets :/

[17:18:06]

jams:

skd5aner- ?

[17:18:18]

skd5aner:

takes FOREVER

[17:18:26]

jams:

oh i see

[17:18:58]

jams:

Used the dvd changer to rip my music and DVDS. Without that I probably never would have

[17:19:06]

skd5aner:

Ripping the ISOs, then using handbrake to rip out individual episodes – trying to make sure the whole while that the DVD title track is the correct episode # you are attempting to rip (becaus they simply can't put them in order every time, that would make too much sense)

[17:19:13]

wagnerrp:

he means the transcoding

[17:19:19]

wagnerrp:

ripping doesnt take all that much time

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wagnerrp:

but transcoding is going to take several hours per episode

[17:19:35]

skd5aner:

Well...

[17:19:43]

skd5aner:

it's not taking THAT long...

[17:19:47]

joemyth:

what CPU are you using?

[17:20:16]

skd5aner:

an hour long episode is taking me about ~25–30 minutes

[17:20:21]

jams:

btw wagnerrp using the bindings mythstatus was replicated in about 40 lines for proof of concept.

[17:20:34]

skd5aner:

that said, I'm now doing it on my backend and not my desktop as my backend is doing it about 4x faster

[17:20:46]

wagnerrp:

sounds about right, but i imagine thats not with color

[17:21:14]

jams:

no color..but really don't have a need for it

[17:21:25]

wagnerrp:

2x realtime to h264 at decent quality... high end dual core or low end quad?

[17:21:27]

skd5aner:

my desktop is a Core 2 (not duo), dual core 6400.. was getting about 15 fps

[17:22:06]

wagnerrp:

seems a bit low

[17:22:30]

skd5aner:

My backend is an AMD Athlon II x4 640, quad core

[17:22:34]

joemyth:

i upraded to a sandy bridge early this year.. I did not know I was capable of getting excited over computer performance, but it is simply amazing

[17:22:34]

wagnerrp:

what motion estimate algorithm?

[17:22:48]

skd5aner:

it's getting like 50–60fps

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: Hexagon

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skd5aner:

(default)

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wagnerrp:

not even exhaustive hex?

[17:23:32]

skd5aner:

no

[17:24:42]

wagnerrp:

i was doing like double that on a 2.75 Core 2, using RDO last time i bothered encoding something

[17:25:08]

wagnerrp:

single/double pass?

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skd5aner:

single

[17:25:50]

skd5aner:

using this default profile – https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets#highprofile

[17:26:24]

skd5aner:

only ripping to mkv and not using their faac audio tracs (just passthrough ac3)

[17:28:02]

skd5aner:

honestly, it just takes about 1–3 minutes per episode to go through the still frames and an episode guide to make sure you're naming the episode correctly, then trying to do the same for bonus features via dvd review sites, chaning the audio setting each time and adding additional tracks if they contain commentary, etc

[17:29:23]

skd5aner:

and it takes about 10 mins to rip each iso, which isn't a problem

[17:29:54]

skd5aner:

but, for example, when you've got like 14 seasons of the simpsons with 4–5 disc sets and ~24 episodes a season – just takes a lot of manual intervention and time

[17:30:27]

joemyth:

sounds somewhat theraputic, though

[17:30:28]

skd5aner:

Nice thing about handbrake is I can queue as many up as I want, and let it go – so I don't really care much about the encoding time so much now that I'm running it on the backend – on my desktop it was miserably slow

[17:30:54]

skd5aner:

joemyth: well, a lot of these were basically still in the shrink wrap – why own them if I'm not going to use them

[17:30:58]

skd5aner:

so, in a way – yes

[17:31:16]

skd5aner:

it's also amazing how many of these Simpsons episodes I remember

[17:31:50]

skd5aner:

as I go through the episode guides in naming the correct episodes

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joemyth:

some people would just become IRATE if they had to do that. they would just be IRATE about it. certainly though I am not saying that IRACY is the answer.

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wagnerrp:

wow, someone tried to spam trac a couple hours ago using 'Mozilla/0.6 Beta (Windows)'

[17:54:02]

sphery:

wow, I used that version long ago--and thought, "Either this should not have been made publicly-available, or this Mozilla thing will be a failure"

[17:55:08]

sid3windr:

correct on both counts

[17:55:28]

joemyth:

that is netscape, no?

[17:55:41]

sid3windr:

netscape went up to 7 ;)

[17:55:50]

sid3windr:

I think upto 3 or 4 before mozilla split off

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sphery:

it was the first publicly-released mozilla version about 4 years after Netscape donated code to the project

[17:56:29]

joemyth:

must be some old bot

[17:56:40]

sphery:

(after they completely rewrote the Netscape code after finding out just how horrible it was--horrible because it was developed on budget and time constraints with profit motive)

[17:57:52]

sphery:

and under excruciating pressure due to the much-better-funded/-staffed Microsoft IE browser

[17:58:08]

joemyth:

ie6, the browser to end all browsers

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joemyth:

actually 5.5. i remember my cto at the time saying that: we have IE5.5. that should accomodate anything for the next 25 years.

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wagnerrp:

wow... this spam scored -94

[18:00:38]

wagnerrp:

akismet and typepad both said it was spam

[18:00:44]

wagnerrp:

our own bayesian filter marked it

[18:00:50]

sphery:

hehe, yeah, since the pace of technology is so slow, 25 years is usually a good estimate for the useful life of any software version

[18:00:52]

wagnerrp:

there were too many external links

[18:01:12]

sphery:

that's why we're releasing MythTV 0.25 in 2036

[18:01:26]

wagnerrp:

and some dozen different prescriptions that were listed on the regex blacklist

[18:01:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I loved the one on Trac you commented on in here--that it was nice that the spammer was explaining what he was doing (testing to see if moderators look at old, closed tickets)

[18:02:28]

wagnerrp:

dont recall that one

[18:02:55]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 94830#494830

[18:03:50]

wagnerrp:

any idea whats with this one? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9550#comment:5

[18:04:16]

sphery:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

ah right, now i remember that one

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sphery:

says replying to comment 2, which changed version to trunk head from unspecified

[18:05:09]

joemyth:

what is myth25 WAF?

[18:05:19]

wagnerrp:

got some context?

[18:05:32]

wagnerrp:

oh, myth 0.25 wife acceptability factor

[18:06:01]

sphery:

well, the way I see it, you can never please the wife

[18:06:07]

joemyth:

well thats a given

[18:06:11]

sphery:

because our users on the list /never/ complain about MythTV

[18:06:30]

wagnerrp:

wait, ive seen ads on tv about a pill i can take

[18:06:31]

joemyth:

I have a hard stop in a few months (wife due in april) so I kind of need to be stable-ish by march

[18:06:34]

sphery:

but they always say that their wives complain about MythTV

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joemyth:

sphery: I never though of it that way but u are probably right... 'my "wife" is unhappy'

[18:07:05]

sphery:

so, either the users aren't owning up to their own b**chiness, or their wives really can't be pleased

[18:08:05]

sphery:

besides, IMHO, it's not /my/ responsibility to please someone else's wife... and this is FOSS, so if your wife isn't pleased, feel free to get involved and fix problems (even if the patches aren't accepted, you can fix your own local build)...

[18:08:32]

joemyth:

I will own up, in my house i am definitely the wife

[18:08:36]

sphery:

hehe

[18:09:49]

sphery:

Yeah, I would just prefer that if someone isn't pleased with something, that they at least take responsibility for the complaints rather than hide behind their (usually defenseless, since she isn't on the lists) wives

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[18:10:20]

joemyth:

you left out "uninterested"

[18:10:34]

sphery:

yeah, that often, too

[18:11:53]

joemyth:

my wife actually surprises me sometimes when she troubleshoots stuff more efficiently than me

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joemyth:

"joemyth, you dont need to turn off the cable box for that issue, just the HDPVR and the client because it gets flaky with playback"

[18:13:38]

sphery:

hehe, cool

[18:14:13]

joemyth:

except that she doesnt say hdpvr, she says 'bluebox'

[18:17:25]

jams:

wagnerrp- with the python bindings, can you tell it which config.xml file to use?

[18:18:52]

jams:

looks like setting mythconfdir is the best bet

[18:21:13]

sphery:

kormoc: What was that plugin you planned to install on the wiki to allow creating html/pdf versions of the howto stuff?

[18:21:36]

wagnerrp:

jams: i suppose you could run DBCache._readXML(file)

[18:21:51]

kormoc:

sphery, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection

[18:21:53]

wagnerrp:

and then create a new connection with DBCache(**res)

[18:22:23]

wagnerrp:

but _readXML is currently not a classmethod, so you need to have an existing connection object to use it

[18:22:30]

jams:

probably easier to set mythconfdir :)

[18:22:56]

sphery:

kormoc: nice... so we can actually use multiple pages (i.e. breaking up the existing howto into many much smaller pages would work)

[18:23:16]

kormoc:

sphery, Aye, also multiple formats, including allowing printed media if people wanted

[18:23:26]

kormoc:

it looked the best for our usage

[18:23:34]

wagnerrp:

jams: just not a behavior i saw a use for (still dont to be honest)

[18:23:43]

sphery:

kormoc: so, if I were to delete the in-git howto, is that the best way to ensure this gets installed, or would you prefer I wait until the extension is installed

[18:23:58]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, including pdf and docbook xml and printed book.... very nice

[18:24:13]

wagnerrp:

although now that i think about it, it would probably be useful to store the config directory to the database object

[18:24:15]

sphery:

(nothing like what I pictured in my mind when you mentioned the idea on the list :)

[18:24:25]

wagnerrp:

in case people want to store to it

[18:24:52]

kormoc:

sphery, If you bug me Thursday, I'll get it installed

[18:24:55]

kormoc:

:)

[18:24:57]

sphery:

ok

[18:25:05]

sphery:

so, leave the git version for now?

[18:25:19]

kormoc:

Yeah, likely the best plan

[18:25:26]

sphery:

(I just want to get down to one version--it's hard making sure we keep them in sync)

[18:25:31]

** kormoc nods **

[18:25:34]

sphery:

thanks\

[18:26:23]

sphery:

I'll do the edits to copy the things that have since changed in git to the wiki, then will be ready on Thur (or whenever)

[18:27:05]

jams:

wagnerrp- the use case I was thinking of is for shell accounts that don't have mythtv setup. The status program would still run for them at login, but without a config.xml it would fail. So the thought was to point it to a system-wide config.xml.

[18:27:16]

jams:

MYTHCONFDIR will work for that purpose

[18:27:21]

wagnerrp:

jams: no it wouldnt

[18:27:30]

jams:

why not?

[18:27:40]

wagnerrp:

the bindings would pick up the location using upnp, and create the necessary config.xml for subsequent use

[18:28:09]

wagnerrp:

well, assuming the PIN was 0000, or was otherwise given

[18:29:10]

wagnerrp:

so first they spam with ancient browsers, and then they spam for ancient toys

[18:29:19]

wagnerrp:

"jurassic park toys for christmas"

[18:30:17]

sphery:

oooh, did you hear about the Pliocene Park?

[18:30:47]

sphery:

http://www.newsoxy.com/science/mammoth-clone- . . . w-42390.html

[18:30:58]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, they just released Jurassic Park: The Game

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sphery:

I'm just assuming they'll pick an island on which to release the new Mammoths

[18:31:34]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i know someone who has that! its on one of those little tiger handheld things

[18:31:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, this is a new one, by telltale games

[18:32:02]

wagnerrp:

i never could figure out the game mechanics

[18:32:19]

wagnerrp:

you had three different locations you could move back and forth between

[18:32:31]

wagnerrp:

and then you got eaten by dinosaurs

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sphery:

I wonder if it let's you hack a unix system... "It's a UNIX system! I know this!"

[18:33:16]

wagnerrp:

ooh, spam for illegal weight loss drugs

[18:34:30]

skd5aner:

uh uh uh, you didn't say the magic word </repeat>

[18:43:45]

wagnerrp:

anyone thing the phrase 'free trial' should ever show up in trac?

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sphery:

hehe, about the only relevant use I can imagine is for Schedules Direct or epgdata.com... and even there, it's probably not critical (but could confuse a user who tries to mention it if their ticket doesn't go through)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, did I mention I found the perfect backend system? http://www.buy.com/loc/holiday-superstore/161 . . . ku=223435914 (now 37% off!)

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sphery:

(that's a bad joke--it's a terrible idea for a backend or frontend)

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wagnerrp:

mobile? its got a battery now?

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wagnerrp:

no, it comes with apps for accessing your files

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sphery:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

(on mobile phones)

[18:50:50]

wagnerrp:

silly me

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sphery:

still a nice big wall wart, I'm sure

[18:51:12]

wagnerrp:

because we need apps to do such things

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sphery:

"storage as you go. Storage not included."

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sphery:

er, Add

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wagnerrp:

cant possibly make a decent scalable gallery webpage

[18:52:00]

sphery:

no, you can't make a web-based anything... then people could use it without buying your android phone

[18:52:04]

sphery:

or your ios phone

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skd5aner:

Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow

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skd5aner:

catchiest fake jingle of all time

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joemyth:

is it true, that visual-graphic interface thing on jurassic park was a real unix utility? I read that somewhere

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wagnerrp:

it was something SGI whipped up to show off the graphical capabilities of their systems

[19:20:27]

wagnerrp:

not something expected to have any real practical use

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joemyth:

unless ur warding off dinosaurs, that is

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skd5aner:

unless someone pays someone to show off their OS, the UI always seems to be made up

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joemyth:

zoom in and enhance!

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skd5aner:

I see more realistic UIs on the dummy monitors they use in furniture stores

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wagnerrp:

one of the things i always thought was great about the Bourne movies

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wagnerrp:

no attempt to make any flashy UI of any sort

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joemyth:

i thought u were gonna say matt damon's acting

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wagnerrp:

just a bunch of drones in a conference room running standard GDI applications

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sphery:

hehe, yeah, CSI UIs are so bad...

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joemyth:

i like the part in superman3 where richard pryor types something like "move all half pennies to my account" and the terminal is like "done"

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sphery:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

i like the part in superman 4 where richard pryor swallows a bolt, and it takes down the entire western sea board power grid

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wagnerrp:

s/4/3/

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joemyth:

theres also this scene where hes in computer class doing something amazing, and when asked "how did you do that?" he prints this program in BASIC thats like 30 lines long and goes "I have NO idea!"

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joemyth:

and half the progam is like "PRINT" commands

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skd5aner:

GOTO 10

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joemyth:

thank you paul scheer podcast

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sphery:

not only is the visual display of the interface terrible on CSI, but even the way they use it... I was especially upset by an episode in 2009... http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2009-01-27:22:23:43

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wagnerrp:

whats this? chutt in the main channel?

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wagnerrp:

s/main/user/

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wagnerrp:

!seen chutt

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MythLogBot:

chutt was last seen 379 days 13 hours 16 minutes 28 seconds ago

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sphery:

hehe, perhaps it was my OT that chased him off

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Scopeuk:

!seen scopeuk

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MythLogBot:

scopeuk is here and has been idle for 28 minutes 38 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

Grrr... just experienced my 3rd or 4th 'hard' lockup in the last month or so... grrr... not good.

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: just got your hdpvr killer, thought you were going to send along some beer too?

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

now what...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

one sec

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sphery:

I think you just hold it high above your head and swing it and your hand down in an arc toward the HD-PVR... should kill it nicely

[20:16:50]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/Beirdo/hdpvr-killer

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Beirdo:

the src/ dir in particular will be of use :)

[20:17:25]

Beirdo:

one of these days, I'll fix the schematics and layout.

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skd5aner:

thanks

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sphery:

the current ones are a "competitive advantage" though

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skd5aner:

had some 0 bytes last night, but come to find out it's because the STB was turned off and for some reason my script didn't power it back on :/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

THAT I can't help with much :)P

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: if the src/README leaves you with questions, please let me know and I can try to add more info

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skd5aner:

yea, seems straight forward – I'll let you know if I run into any brick walls – can't work on it right now anyway

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Beirdo:

K.

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skd5aner:

is it smart enough to immediately cause a reschedule or the same recording, or only smart enough to restart the device and mbe will always reschedule for a later showing?

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skd5aner:

in other words – is it possible to miss only the first 10–20 seconds but still record?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: boo – http://pastebin.com/sBg00ge5

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Beirdo:

it won't reschedule

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Beirdo:

mythtv reschedules :)

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: if you are running ubuntu: apt-get libftdi-dev

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Beirdo:

err

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Beirdo:

apt-get install libftdi-dev

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skd5aner:

well, I meant – will myth reschedule the same showing?

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Beirdo:

no, it will reschedule into the next slot

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Beirdo:

it's how failed recordings are dealt with

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skd5aner:

installing the lib worked, thanks

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

:)

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** Beirdo waits impatiently for his Windows VM to come back up **

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Beirdo:

it's been fairly crashy lately :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Of course, it's winders. ;-)

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Beirdo:

yeah, but more than usual

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Beirdo:

only 11 builds mashed into one this time

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wagnerrp:

is memory typically powered on its own, or powered through the memory controller?

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Beirdo:

generally from the board AFAIK

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Beirdo:

you wouldn't want to route power through a chip, especially not with so many watts used

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wagnerrp:

thats what i was thinking, wasnt sure

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Beirdo:

would be a very odd controller to do otherwise :)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: in the script, is the serial the HDPVR's serial or the "killer's" serial?

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Beirdo:

the killer's.

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Beirdo:

as reported by ftdi-probe

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skd5aner:

my %hdpvrs = ( 32 => "GHUCYEL8" );

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Beirdo:

yeah, run ftdi-probe, and substitute in the serial # from there

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Beirdo:

that example is the serial for mine, I think :)

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skd5aner:

yea

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skd5aner:

mine's GHUSHAQ7

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Beirdo:

and the 32 is the cardid. Eventually that will have to change when mythtv reports that differently

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Beirdo:

cardid of the HDPVR, that is

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skd5aner:

ah, yea – was not getting that

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Beirdo:

it's in the README :)

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skd5aner:

I am reading the readme

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skd5aner:

:P

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skd5aner:

it was not obvious that "32" is what needed to be replaced

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Beirdo:

both need replacing

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skd5aner:

:)

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skd5aner:

btw, the manual test worked so far

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Beirdo:

the 32 needs to be the cardid of the HDPVR, the serial needs to be correct too :)

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Beirdo:

good good :)

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kenni:

wagnerrp: (two days later...) Heh, yep I use MythTV, hence I'm a user :) ...and probably something more, but that was not part of the question on the ML.

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kenni:

I'm wondering if the thread starter is actually going to ask a real question at some point..

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

kenni: how well does commflagging work in the land of the Vikings?

[20:56:48]

kenni:

it doesn't work

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

OK, maybe there's something we can do about that :)

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kenni:

I used it a while back for some of the more international channels, like discovery, but suddently it started getting much worse, so I haven't used it for years

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: when it's giving the hdpvr time to start capturing, is that in seconds from the event? while ($count < 20) {

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skd5aner:

sleep 1 is 1 second right?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

if you need a longer delay, just up that

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skd5aner:

hmmm, my channel changing script will turn on the STB, but a second later it turns back off :P

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Beirdo:

hehe, that's pretty silly

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skd5aner:

worked for the last year with not issues

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skd5aner:

no

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skd5aner:

stb-command -n 0 power_on -v, returns code 2, meaing power on (light comes on the STB)

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skd5aner:

then light turns off on the STB

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skd5aner:

and stb-command -n 0 power_status -v gives a return of 1 (off)

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skd5aner:

:P

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skd5aner:

I blame TWC

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Beirdo:

/bin/shoot --with-50cal STB

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skd5aner:

This is the script – http://code.google.com/p/stb-command/

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Beirdo:

does me no good as I have DirecTV

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skd5aner:

f'ing twc

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skd5aner:

I swear they had to do a software update that broke this

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skd5aner:

at least my channels still change via fw for now (know on wood)

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skd5aner:

er, knock

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sphery:

"change single words into phrases and phrases into single words"..."change single words into phrases and phrases into single words"..."change single words into phrases and phrases into single words"... OK, I think I have it memorized

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kisak:

afternoon, is there any documentation to using JACK with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

not really, i dont think anyone actually uses it

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kisak:

since I'm on a new build with a notably better audio chipset, I have to at least try to get stereo and surround sound working together

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wagnerrp:

i tried to get it working with jy a's help a couple months back, but was unsuccessful

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wagnerrp:

stereo and surround?

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kisak:

8 channel and 2 channel audio

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will output whatever you give it just fine, and has the option of up/downsampling to match your output

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kisak:

if the soundcard is initialized as surround, stereo applications won't output sound

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kisak:

if mythtv is set to stereo, those same applications will mix with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

any halfway decent audio card should provide hardware mixing for such needs

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wagnerrp:

alsa just passes through dozens of audio streams, and the sounds card should mix them as needed

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kisak:

I'm dealing with a realtek 889, which is nicer than the old 850

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wagnerrp:

s/nicer/less crap/

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kisak:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

realtek isnt in the business of making nice things

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sphery:

actually, there is one user of JACK--Ed Wildgoose... and he keeps saying he's going to rewrite it (but properly this time)

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sphery:

TTBOMK, he's one of the JACK devs

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sphery:

(or at least very active in the community)

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wagnerrp:

any open tickets or mailing list discussions?

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kisak:

well, it's that as the primary and a CA0106 as a secondary which I'm using for voicechat

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sphery:

kisak: see posts by http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv for about the best info

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sphery:

(including why it's probably not yet a good choice)

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wagnerrp:

kisak: admittedly, i was trying to play jack remotely on a windows server

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wagnerrp:

but then i see limited use for jack outside of such network playback

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kisak:

I'm just trying to get mythtv 8 channel audio + other to work

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wagnerrp:

unless youre simply running a frontend on a machine otherwise used for audio production, and already set up for jack

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kisak:

in other words, I'm not hardpressed to use jack, just something that works reliably

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sphery:

kisak: btw, thanks for the motivation to fix my network connection... turned out it wasn't the NIC--the thing that holds the wires in place on the port was popped off on one side, and so a couple wires (on the Gb pairs, it seems) had issues--and the realtek NIC was just more picky than the via

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kisak:

that would do it

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sphery:

also explains why they were using 100Mb

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kisak:

well then, jack works

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bixter:

can someone help me with the graphite theme? Its missing trans-showings.png in mythmusic which seems to be breaking it

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sphery:

have you downloaded the newest version using the theme chooser (and asking it to check online themes)

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bixter:

.25 ?

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bixter:

i am on 24.1

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sphery:

newest version /of the theme/

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sphery:

for your version of mythtv

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sphery:

just go to theme chooser and use menu to tell it to look online for themes

[22:33:18]

sphery:

then see if there's a newer graphite version

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bixter:

k

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sphery:

and if so, and if you have a package-manager-installed version of the theme, you should probably uninstall the old/broken package-manager-installed version, first

[22:34:49]

sphery:

(where in this case, "broken" would mean, "incorrect theme version for your mythtv version"--not any comment on the theme or saying that it used to be broken and then got fixed)

[22:35:05]

bixter:

it seems they are the same but im going to download anyway to see what happens

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sphery:

worth a try... I'm not saying that I know it works because I don't use either Graphite or MythMusic. Was just thinking it's the best first step.

[22:39:51]

bixter:

yeah ill check it out

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bixter:

gotta reboot my client first

[22:40:58]

bixter:

what do u use for music?

[22:42:30]

sphery:

pandora :)

[22:42:41]

sphery:

well worth the cost of a subscription

[22:42:43]

sphery:

IMHO

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bixter:

is there a myth plugin or u just bring up chrome or something?

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sphery:

outside of mythtv

[22:44:29]

sphery:

there's a myth plugin, but it doesn't work since the pandora protocol version has changed at least 3 times since the author of the plugin last updated it

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sphery:

and it's not easy to build

[22:45:06]

sphery:

but since there are tons of devices with built-in pandora support (everything from smartphones and tablets to Roku to smart TVs and game consoles...)

[22:46:01]

sphery:

it leaves a lot of non-mythtv options available

[22:46:18]

sphery:

and I don't do it in the browser because the flash-based player is awful

[22:46:38]

sphery:

actually causes hiccups and glitching

[22:46:47]

sphery:

which is really not good for music :)

[22:48:00]

skd5aner:

does pandora have an open API for devs to use?

[22:48:04]

sphery:

nope

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skd5aner:

surprising seeings how so many things consume it

[22:48:17]

sphery:

but there's a reverse-engineered library (and command-line player)

[22:48:26]

sphery:

but it's always playing catch up

[22:48:34]

sphery:

thus the reason that mythpandora doesn't work

[22:48:46]

sphery:

because the author of the plugin seems to have gotten tired of the chase

[22:48:47]

skd5aner:

I think it shoudl be called MythPanda

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sphery:

I'm just glad it's not MythNa'vi

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sphery:

anyway, the library and command-line player is (libpiano and) pianobar... there was a python-based project (Pithos) using it, but they eventually decided it was easier to just incorporate the protocol in their own app than to have to update their C-library-using python integration layer each time libpiano was updated

[22:51:51]

sphery:

and note that if you use either, you /really/ should buy a subscription--since they don't do the ads that are the only reason you're allowed to listen without a subscription (and are likely a violation of ToS)

[22:52:23]

kisak:

now all I have to do is make my audio settings completely overengineered by adding pulse audio as well

[22:52:43]

sphery:

I wish they'd make an open API that works only for users who subscribe and allows creation of custom clients for unsupported platforms

[22:52:54]

sphery:

you definitely don't want pulse + jack

[22:53:09]

sphery:

AIUI, jack does everything pulse does, but better

[22:53:14]

sphery:

so why would you hobble it with pulse?

[22:53:30]

sphery:

one middle man seems acceptable, but 2?

[22:53:37]

kisak:

sphery: why not, this is a thought exercise at this point, so I can know what can and can't be done

[22:53:43]

sphery:

hehe

[22:54:00]

sphery:

ok, as long as it's not a serious design plan :)

[22:54:06]

skd5aner:

maybe it's because I'm way too exposed to opinions on linux components via here, but is /anyone/ happy with pulse for any reason?

[22:54:38]

sphery:

ah, so you're planning to put in pulse and use it instead of jack to see how well it works

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wagnerrp:

for standard desktop uses, it works just fine

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sphery:

that said, I'll admit that mythtv's jack support is severely lacking--so we can't take advantage of most of its features

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wagnerrp:

for standard desktop uses, it is completely unnecessary

[22:55:07]

sphery:

but, similarly, we can't take advantage of most of Pulse's

[22:55:15]

kisak:

I'm rather irritated that I have to use any middleware, alsa should be able to accept 8 channel audio and 2 channel audio at the same time

[22:55:17]

sphery:

meaning with pulse, you get nice stereo output, only

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio lets you route audio to remote machines, but hardly anyone would ever use that

[22:55:59]

wagnerrp:

pulaseaudio lets you dynamically route things between different outputs, like from your speakers to a bluetooth headset

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kisak:

you mean jack, right?

[22:56:07]

wagnerrp:

but even that is of limited utility

[22:56:20]

wagnerrp:

no, theyre all sounds servers, thats there function, their reason for existing

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wagnerrp:

s/sounds/sound/

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sphery:

do they make A/V receivers with support for outputting to bluetooth headsets (or "transmitters" that can be plugged into avr's to route audio to bluetooth)?

[22:57:14]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio lets you mix together multiple inputs, for POS sound hardware that doesnt have hardware mixing, and alsa users who cant figure out how to enable dmix

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sphery:

I just think the "route to different speakers" functionality is firmly in the domain of avr's--which anyone using mythtv is likely to have, anyway

[22:58:10]

kisak:

does dmix blend 8 channel and 2 channel audio?

[22:58:13]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: there are reasons for a sound server, but most users have no need for such

[22:58:26]

sphery:

but for a couple years, now, dmix has been automatically enabled on all software-mixing-only sound cards

[22:58:41]

sphery:

and, IIRC, *all* Intel HDA sound cards are software mixing cards

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wagnerrp:

jack is designed from the ground up for audio production purposes, meaning high quality and low latency throughout

[22:59:09]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio was not

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sphery:

(because it's /Intel/ High-Definition Audio = burn a general-purpose CPU so you'll buy a newer, faster Intel CPU)

[22:59:32]

wagnerrp:

and so there are all sorts of complications that arise when you start to run into things that need such tight latency

[22:59:38]

sphery:

yeah, it seems that Pulse was designed specifically to do software mixing within DEs

[22:59:53]

sphery:

and everything else was secondary (or worse)

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kisak:

if dmix does the job, then I don't care about pulse or jack (once more)

[23:01:16]

kisak:

but last time I did a fancier .asoundrc it turned out to be too much for my 850

[23:01:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: So, how much can a user expect to save (electricity usage) by having audio output directly to a TV rather than to an AVR when watching news, etc? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/498204#498204

[23:01:29]

sphery:

isn't that focusing on the 20% and ignoring the 80%?

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sphery:

kisak: dmix is 2-channel only

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kisak:

sphery: then why is there examples of 6 channel dmix?

[23:02:22]

wagnerrp:

a decent amp is likely going to be 30W idling

[23:02:22]

sphery:

what mixing do you actually want to allow while watching a movie/tv?

[23:02:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: right, but this would be comparing the off state to the 2-channel-output and 5.1- or 7.1-channel output states?

[23:03:00]

wagnerrp:

the guy who posted that solution way back was intending to switch between two independent zones on a single system

[23:03:04]

sphery:

is there really that much difference?

[23:03:20]

wagnerrp:

huh?

[23:03:23]

sphery:

yeah, I still think that the right way is to run a script to send a command to the AVR to switch to B speakers

[23:03:47]

sphery:

"I use the analog output when just casually watching TV – the news, a TV show. But I want to use digital surround pass-through when I'm watching a movie."

[23:03:52]

kisak:

I don't want to be forced to kill the random webpage with flash video or paused smplayer in order to play mythtv

[23:03:54]

wagnerrp:

oh, that would certainly be the more sensible approach

[23:04:33]

sphery:

but this guy is wanting to only use the AVR sometimes--so, I'm assuming he thinks he'll save money by not using the AVR when watching drama/news, etc.

[23:04:34]

kisak:

or play audio content from a browser with mythtv paused without being forced to jump out of the show

[23:05:44]

sphery:

only other reason I could imagine him choosing to not use the AVR for news, etc, is if he hasn't figured out how to configure the AVR to properly output 2-channel audio or something...

[23:07:18]

kisak:

is this guy using mythfrontend -hdmi-> reciever -hdmi-> tv?

[23:07:44]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so, do you think he'll actually save any appreciable amount of electricity by not using the AVR when watching news/dramas?

[23:08:10]

kisak:

if he's belly aching that badly, just recommend mythfrontend -hdmi-> tv -optical audio-> reciever, right?

[23:08:20]

sphery:

kisak: no idea... he only says he's using digital audio output for movies

[23:08:35]

kisak:

that could be over hdmi

[23:09:17]

sphery:

well, my point is that I can't imagine the AVR being a problem--and he's better off just using it /and/ using it to direct audio to wherever he wants it (tv or surround speakers or ...)

[23:09:34]

sphery:

and he won't be wasting that much energy...

[23:10:06]

sphery:

but I can't find good info on how much energy usage changes between idle, 2-channel output to speakers, and 7.1-channel output to speakers

[23:10:26]

kisak:

isn't this more an issue what makes the guy happy?

[23:10:47]

bixter:

read a book, takes no power

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kisak:

eat a powerbar, take no power :)

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sphery:

kisak: I'm a firm believer that if someone is made happy by some false belief, they should be educated

[23:12:35]

sphery:

the whole problem with our "green" movement is that we're focusing on stupid, wasteful approaches to "green" that make people hate it or feel it's a burden

[23:13:32]

sphery:

i.e. recycling newspapers and paper and glass is a stupid, inefficient use of resources in which the end product after recycling costs /significantly/ more than just making more bottles or harvesting more nursery-grown trees for paper stock

[23:13:52]

sphery:

recycling metals makes sense--as long as the metals are more "ore" and less "dirt"

[23:14:36]

sphery:

meaning that you get sufficient metal to make up for the cost of processing (i.e. so things like aluminum cans makes sense)

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sphery:

and, in truth, recycling plastic makes no sense--as it's much cheaper to produce new and throwing away plastic isn't bad--as long as it's thrown away so that it's properly disposed of in a landfill versus thrown on the side of the road, into the ocean, ...--where it breaks down and harms the environment

[23:16:12]

sphery:

anyway, I see his "only turn on my AVR when I /need/ it" as being as useful as NBC's telling me to "unplug your chargers when not in use"

[23:16:41]

sphery:

as I haven't found a single device charger that registers /any/ current draw when plugged into the outlet, but without a device plugged in

[23:17:15]

sphery:

they should be saying, "unplug your device from your charger once it's charged so it doesn't keep topping off the charge every couple hours and destroying your battery"

[23:18:00]

sphery:

anyway... sorry for the OT... I have strong feelings on our "if someone calls it green, it must be good" approach to life, since it's never that simple

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bixter:

ha

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bixter:

its irc, OT happens

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bixter:

still doent fix mythmusic though :(

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snarkster:

hi there Im kinda stuck, can someone point me in the right direction. When i start mythfrontend i get can not log in and back to mythfrontend configure

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bixter:

I would think the db username/password or IP of the backend is wrong

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snarkster:

thank you

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sphery:

yeah, check that, and check any config.xml or mysql.txt file on your system

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snarkster:

i used the ip address in the frontend configure

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sphery:

(which is where those values get written)

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bixter:

its the ip of the backend and the right username and password to get into the db

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bixter:

also the username needs acces from the host its coming from

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snarkster:

right this is a combo system front/back end same system

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sphery:

which ip address are you using?

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sphery:

the routable one?

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snarkster:

soon to be the backend for another room or 2 if i can get it work

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sphery:

(rather than 127.0.0.1)

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snarkster:

192.

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bixter:

is that 192 address configured in the backend (mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

and that's what you used for the master backend ip and the "this backend" ip address?

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snarkster:

yes

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bixter:

could be listening just in 127

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sphery:

(assuming you mean it's a combo *master* backend and frontend system

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snarkster:

i set both to the 192 address

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snarkster:

should i change local back to 127?

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sphery:

if it's supposed to connect to your existing system, you must use the real master backend ip address for master backend ip address)

[23:24:19]

sphery:

no, 127 is bad

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snarkster:

ok thats what i thought

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sphery:

start up mythfrontend and pastebin the log output, please, and we'll take a look

[23:24:55]

snarkster:

ive re ran myth-setup. just boggles my mind whats up

[23:25:19]

snarkster:

system is across the room. let me start xchat over there brb

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kisak:

now that is interesting

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sphery:

?

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kisak:

german monty python playing in smplayer, smplayer tied into pulse, pulse into jack, mythtv into jack, jack into the sound card

[23:35:21]

kisak:

monty python is playing and I started Harry Potter on mythtv ... monty python paused until I stopped playback on mythtv

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sphery:

what mythtv audio output device

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kisak:

JACK:

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sphery:

hmmm

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kisak:

I'm not saying it's bad

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sphery:

I know mythtv does some pulse audio suspending when using alsa, but no idea what it does with jack

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sphery:

I don't know jack

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kisak:

badum'tch

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snarkster:

http://pastebin.com/VUdmZwrL

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snarkster:

if i run it as root it work.. im guessing i did give mythtv access to database..

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sphery:

snarkster: yeah, it's saying that the user specified is not allowed to connect to mysql on the address 192.168....

[23:38:34]

snarkster:

did-NOT

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bixter:

run the frontend as root?

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snarkster:

yah stoopid

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snarkster:

ok so how do i fix this problem

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snarkster:

i was sure i followed the plans exactly

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snarkster:

the backend is running. haha running it in root (stoopid) works

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 has some info, but best info is available from your distro's fellow mythtv users

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snarkster:

right there are none

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sphery:

i.e. different distros do things differently

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snarkster:

im running crunchbang

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bixter:

the frontend needs to use the same db username/password as u set for root. the db user is not the same as your login user

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sphery:

ah, then you're the packager? If so, you get to figure out how to configure mysql privs on your distro :)

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snarkster:

yah me

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sphery:

and the db privileges are user/password/hostname (or ip address)

[23:41:15]

sphery:

meaning you need to set the right privs

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snarkster:

no im a user. not a packager

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sphery:

well, you're "packaging" it for yourself

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sphery:

meaning you decide the how

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kisak:

sounds like mysql.txt or the xml is configured wrong

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snarkster:

ok so on the mysqladmin screen i should have put -u mythtv?

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sphery:

or the mysql server permissions

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sphery:

I'd vote for mysql privs...

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bixter:

its mysql privs

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sphery:

-umythtv simply says to run whatever mysql command using the mysql user mythtv

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bixter:

so that user from the local machine would be 'mythtv'@'localhost' in mysql

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snarkster:

right i followed a howto for debian squeeze since crunchbang is debian based more closely than ubuntu

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bixter:

i would create a 'mythtv'@'%' in mysql

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bixter:

this way any user mythtv from anywhere would be able to connect in

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snarkster:

take it easy guys Im not a sql kinda person

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snarkster:

i saw something like this let me research abit more

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bixter:

best thing to do is log into mysql and list the users in it

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bixter:

want some commands??

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sphery:

bixter: mythtv@localhost is only mythtv@localhost

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sphery:

it's different from mythtv@192.168...

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sphery:

also, you need to ensure you've enabled network connections to your mysql

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bixter:

yeah but the trick is to change the username from localhost to %

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bixter:

this way perms stay the same and it can be accessed from anywhere

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sphery:

well, that would open it up to any host

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bixter:

in his priv network for all his frontends

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bixter:

BUT, it think this issue is a DB user/password one, sionce he is going to do a remote frontend he should fix that and do %

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bixter:

sheesh, i told myth to download the graphite theme and its been running for 10 mins now. does it take forever?

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