MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Current users (151):

jduggan, MythLogBot, G, mag0o, DeviceZer0, simonckenyon, clever, jstenback, mzb, zCougar, jm|laptop, pheld, tris, tlhiv_laptop, tomimo, Muzer, AndyCap, lapion, peterpops, Unhelpful, emmanuelux, Heliwr, MilkBoy, Floppe, justinh, M0nk3Ee, MMlosh, Gumby, trumee, _abbenormal, kloeri, MissionCritical, justdave, kurre2, benc_, Moscherkobold, sailerboy, BLZbubba, jpabq, adante, aloril, jcarlos, damaltor, quicksilver, dekarl, grantm, tank-man, _charly_, knightr, sphery, keith4, pigeon, jbrett, sraue, Twiggy2cents, ChanServ, kwmonroe, sutula, purserj, felipe`, Metoer, sid3windr, thefRont, cafuego, k-man, lotia, CiaranG, sulx, gholmlund, grumpydevil, Slasher`, Scopeuk-AFK, brfransen, J-e-f-f-A, rclark, styelz, toeb, ghoti, uW, Technophil, wagnerrp, anykey_, Beirdo, earthnative, troyt, dlblog, npm, gregL, zombor, LabMonkey, Dave123-road, JEDIDIAH__, jams, GreyFoxx, rsiebert_, LedHed, dmz, dkeith, fleers, akv, ubIx, hoolio, pizzledizzle, croppa, NULL[NULL[0]], mmiller, KaZeR, Dave123, cal_, jedix, Peitolm, skd5aner, mzanetti, jpabq-, ThisNewGuy1, jya_, mirage335, ServerSage, Yanch0, d0netsFN, jamesd2, map7, d00gster, freeh, Blaksmith, mycosys, johnf1912, MavT, rellig, nutron, jarle, TodoInTX, josef__, larrikin_, LiENUS, wahrhaft_, richoid, bixter, infojunky, kisak, _Anomaly, baffle, likwid--, _Meliorator, XDS2010_, 45PAAB8JE, 45PAAC2R2, Anduin_, laga_, Guest77899, TandyUK
Monday, December 5th, 2011, 00:05 UTC
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[00:16:49] wagnerrp: kenni: do you still count as a user?
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[01:23:25] knightr: wagnerrp, he counts for several... :-)
[01:23:46] wagnerrp: i mean... commit access means not-a-user
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[01:28:23] knightr: I'm pulling your leg here using the fact that he said there were several on the ML.. As for being a user of MythTV I consider myself one and I can't say the same of the programs (which are sales oriented) I work on at work ... (when I am a user of these it's only to do tests...)
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[01:40:12] Captain_Murdoch: technically, he didn't say he was a user, he just said that there are several.
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[03:57:09] Beirdo: bitchin
[03:57:23] Beirdo: only took 2 painful days.
[03:57:47] Beirdo: but I have the GPU trimming letterboxing off every frame
[03:58:14] Beirdo: now, I hope some of the ads in this show are full frame rather than pillarboxed
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[07:46:47] Beirdo: Hmmm, this is annoying
[07:47:02] Beirdo: one fo the computers is making the buzzing fan noise
[07:48:43] Beirdo: and I think it might be the backend box
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[07:53:04] Beirdo: nope
[07:53:11] Beirdo: hard drive in the frontend
[07:55:07] Beirdo: meh.
[07:55:10] Beirdo: time for bed
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[09:01:34] Darksaboteur: Hi, I compiled mythtv 0.25 today and am having crashes when trying to use VA-API, anyone here have any experience with VA-API?
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[10:22:10] ahhughez: good evening, for some reason my machine turns on EVERYDAY around lunchtime... I get home from work and its on. I have no idea why or what its doing as I have no recordings set and no scheduled jobs. any ideas?
[10:26:09] ahhughez: my other issue is that I can't play certain files, in particular I am trying to play an xvid avi and its not working.
[10:29:39] hashbang: ahhughez: BIOS wakeup alarm? Wake-on-LAN?
[10:29:55] ahhughez: bios ACPI
[10:30:19] ahhughez: actually, I do have WOL enabled, but nothing is capable of sending a WOL to my machine
[10:30:27] sid3windr: I had a machine waking up at random times
[10:30:31] sid3windr: when wol was enabled
[10:30:33] sid3windr: (long time ago)
[10:31:15] ahhughez: well I will turn that off on next shutdown/reboot
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[11:09:20] ahhughez: I got some logs from mythbackend.log.... http://pastie.org/2968799
[11:10:12] ahhughez: my system did an idle shutdown @ 22:33 yesterday (which is correct), then it work up today @ 10:30 for god only knows what reason!
[11:10:35] ahhughez: work == woke
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[11:43:36] html: hi
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[18:02:16] TandyUK: hi guys help
[18:02:30] TandyUK: was in the middle of watchign a program, frontend has gone to a blank black screen
[18:02:41] TandyUK: pressing anythign on the remote doesnt bring it back
[18:02:55] TandyUK: i found xscreensaver running soi killed it
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[18:03:07] TandyUK: what is going on?
[18:03:27] TandyUK: i can ssh in no problem
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[18:05:09] TandyUK: i can vnc in too, and still just get the blank screen
[18:05:23] TandyUK: alt tab shows mythfrontend.real running and nothing else
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[18:15:48] TandyUK: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/477168 thats the exact problem
[18:15:58] TandyUK: hoe do i do a backtrace to submit to the devs?
[18:16:14] wagnerrp: a backtrace implies a crash
[18:16:20] wagnerrp: mythfrontend is still running
[18:16:26] TandyUK: well im just rading that thread
[18:17:07] TandyUK: hmm
[18:17:12] TandyUK: post reboot lirc doesnt work
[18:23:13] wagnerrp: what graphics card are you running? what video renderer? what UI renderer? what kind of video content?
[18:24:38] TandyUK: was live tv
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[18:25:05] wagnerrp: hd? sd? mpeg2? h264?
[18:25:13] TandyUK: geforce gt 240
[18:25:21] TandyUK: sd off a dvb-s card
[18:25:33] TandyUK: as for the rest whatever the defaults are
[18:25:51] TandyUK: ok, various logs
[18:26:05] wagnerrp: try changing to 'VDPAU High Quality', or 'Slim'
[18:26:20] wagnerrp: or create your own profile using the 'standard' decoder and 'opengl2' video renderer
[18:26:44] TandyUK: ok now lirc is dumping all sort to syslog
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[18:27:09] TandyUK: INFO: task S19lirc:2574 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[18:27:16] TandyUK: and various stack traces
[18:28:00] TandyUK: prior to that we had
[18:28:01] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:15 myth-lounge udevd[486]: timeout: killing '/etc/init.d/lirc restart udev' [1310]
[18:28:03] MythLogBot: SVN 1310: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5b79600e
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:15 myth-lounge udevd[486]: '/etc/init.d/lirc restart udev' [1310] terminated by signal 9 (Killed)
[18:28:03] MythLogBot: SVN 1310: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5b79600e
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:16 myth-lounge kernel: [ 79.950011] init: mythtv-backend main process (2242) terminated with status 237
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:16 myth-lounge kernel: [ 79.950049] init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:17 myth-lounge kernel: [ 81.135589] init: mythtv-backend main process (2249) terminated with status 237
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:17 myth-lounge kernel: [ 81.135665] init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning
[18:28:03] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:18 myth-lounge kernel: [ 82.510092] init: mythtv-backend main process (2256) terminated with status 237
[18:28:04] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:17:18 myth-lounge kernel: [ 82.510172] init: mythtv-backend respawning too fast, stopped
[18:28:18] TandyUK: wtf
[18:28:24] TandyUK: why isnt it auto updating
[18:28:34] wagnerrp: please dont do that
[18:28:38] skd5aner: TandyUK: please use a pastebin
[18:28:39] wagnerrp: what isnt what auto-updating?
[18:28:50] TandyUK: mythbuntu
[18:28:54] TandyUK: sorry wrong room for that
[18:29:16] wagnerrp: how do you get not autoupdating from that mess?
[18:29:59] TandyUK: i get that from the message
[18:30:00] TandyUK: 145 packages can be updated.
[18:30:00] TandyUK: 40 updates are security updates.
[18:30:38] wagnerrp: BACKEND_EXIT_NO_IP_ADDRESS
[18:30:42] wagnerrp: your network is not configured
[18:31:08] TandyUK: er yes it is lol
[18:31:18] TandyUK: imconnected from a different building via ssh
[18:31:28] TandyUK: suggests the network is up ;)
[18:31:53] TandyUK: i can connect to both myth boxes, and they can ping each other
[18:32:00] wagnerrp: you are now, you werent 80 seconds after boot
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[18:38:32] TandyUK: Dec 5 18:18:53 myth-lounge dhclient: bound to 192.168.48.191 — renewal in 3174 seconds.
[18:38:37] TandyUK: that was 21 seconds after boot
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[18:39:01] TandyUK: then avahi registered itself on the interface, all before 30 seconds after boot
[18:41:19] wagnerrp: ah, thats the error for a misconfigured backend
[18:41:37] wagnerrp: one with no IP address configured for it in mythtv-setup
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[18:51:08] galorin: Has anyone got the ps3 Bluetooth remote working reliably?
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[18:56:25] galorin: The connection works fine until reboot, and then I need to delete the connection, and start over from scratch
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[20:23:13] Hans1974: Hello, I still have a scanning problem with the Hauppauge HVR-1300. The scan is too quick to be good, during a scan the signal strength-bar is always fixed at 99% and scan-bar is fixed at 5%. What I already have done : – Install Mythbuntu 11.10, upgrade kernel to 3.1 => fast scan, no TV. – Now installed Ubuntu 11.10 and installed MythTV frondend en backend, update kernel to 3.1 => fast scan, no TV. Somebody any ideas what I can t
[20:23:14] Hans1974: ry next? Thanks for helping, Hans.
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[20:26:50] sphery: Hans1974: did you change the signal and tuning timeouts in mythtv-setup? You likely need to crank them up to at least 3000/5500
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[20:27:22] Hans1974: Sphery: OK I'l try.
[20:28:24] sphery: Hans1974: if that's all it was, please let me know (and I'll see about changing the defaults)
[20:30:17] Hans1974: I'm searching for this setting, can you give me a hint in what menu I have to look?
[20:30:34] sphery: mythtv-setup capture card settings
[20:30:39] sphery: likely on the advanced options
[20:32:02] Hans1974: I have only one screen for the TV-card setup. And no advanced options-tab...
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[20:34:16] sphery: these aren't tabs
[20:34:18] sphery: these are screens
[20:34:22] sphery: in a setup program
[20:34:24] sphery: that has buttons
[20:34:33] sphery: one of which is likely advanced or ... something
[20:34:44] sphery: might be on input connections
[20:35:24] sphery: probably input connections
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[20:37:50] Hans1974: Yes indeed buttons, but no advanced button or settings like signal or tuning timeout in Capturing cards or input connections.
[20:41:13] sphery: you /are/ using the digital side of the HVR-1300 right?
[20:41:17] sphery: not analog, right?
[20:42:23] sphery: if not, there are no such options (and scanning analog is not really supported--and likely won't work)
[20:42:34] Hans1974: I think I have both on my analog cable distribution. But I want for instance using the analog part.
[20:42:35] sphery: if so, the timeouts are in there, but I can't see your screen to point them out
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[20:44:09] Hans1974: Ah, OK. I know the frequencies, so scanning is not needed. Maybe I can try to put them manual inside?
[20:44:44] sphery: that works
[20:45:00] sphery: other UK users can likely help you figure out how to set up the analog side
[20:45:28] sphery: I think there are hacks, er scripts, that they use to set up analog channels for RadioTimes data, etc.
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[20:49:00] sphery: Hans1974: btw, just to make sure you fully understood what I was saying... You can manually define channels for analog capture. You can not define channels for digital capture--you /must/ scan digital channels.
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[20:49:56] Hans1974: I understand. Just tried to create a channel by hand (exact frequency), but the TV is not displayed on screen, only some noise.
[20:50:07] sphery: and you're likely to find much more discussion of it on the mythtv-users mailing list: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[20:50:17] sphery: generally, you should use frequency IDs for analog
[20:50:25] sphery: these depend on the frequency table you specified
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[20:51:51] sphery: but if you want to specify exact frequencies, you need to specify the video channel center frequency in kHz
[20:53:14] sphery: but if you've selected, for example, europe-west as your frequency table, you'll have frequency IDs such as E2 and S01 and such
[20:55:57] kisak: afternoon, the internal firewire channel changer, will it be able to turn a firewire device on if it's not already on?
[20:56:46] skd5aner: my firewire channel changer script does that
[20:56:46] sphery: no idea, but I'd expect it's the same answer as whether 6200ch would be able to do so
[20:57:54] kisak: 6200ch has the elements to do it, but it looks like a small amount of logic outside of 6200ch is needed to make it happen
[20:58:33] sphery: well, ttbomk, 6200ch is mythtv's internal firewire changer ripped out of mytht v
[21:01:18] kisak: well, the otehr way to look at my question is if there is a chance to have a 'wake device' option to go with the internal firewire channel changer
[21:03:19] Hans1974: I've tried all manual options with europe-west.
[21:03:19] Hans1974: E09 E9
[21:03:19] Hans1974: C09
[21:03:19] Hans1974: 9
[21:03:19] Hans1974: 203250 (KHz) Some give black screen others noise.
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[21:07:28] sphery: kisak: I'm sure it could be done, but may require new code
[21:13:00] kisak: well, throw it in the anonymous suggestion box or throw it out the window
[21:13:39] kisak: skd5aner: would you mind sharing your channel changer script?
[21:16:13] sphery: also, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts
[21:16:54] sphery: and note that we'd love to start up a single project on google code, sourceforge, ..., to maintain all the channel change scripts and such (for all FOSS programs) and allow them to add maintainers for each scripts
[21:17:21] sphery: you could be the first :)
[21:19:17] kisak: all I need is a script that checks for device power on (6200ch -q), powers it on if it's off (6200ch -w), sleeps 1 second, then tunes the channel
[21:20:44] kisak: trying to capture channels which don't want to be captured will still fail, but the show after will recover
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[21:30:19] Hans1974: Have to go. Thanks for the ideas. Bye.
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[21:59:26] kisak: would someone read over this script and let me know if they think it's sane http://pastebin.com/YUNhT1Xr
[21:59:42] kisak: it's the goal I had before
[22:00:41] sphery: why are so many people so worried about being able to use mythtv with or without their A/V receiver turned on?
[22:00:58] sphery: doesn't that defeat the whole point of the abstraction of A/V handling that is the A/V receiver?
[22:01:45] kisak: well, the wattage draw of the settop box when on is 19–20 watts, when off, it's 19–20 watts
[22:02:51] sphery: yes, 19–20 watts times 4hrs/day times 365 days per year = 29.2kWh/yr--and even at a whopping $1/kWh = $29/yr
[22:03:23] sphery: people love to solve the 20% issue and ignore the 80% issue
[22:03:51] sphery: (and that's assuming they're watching 4hrs of "news or other shows during which I don't need fancy surround sound" per day)
[22:03:58] kisak: no, what I'm saying is there is absolutely no advantage to the settop box being in the "off" state
[22:04:03] sphery: ohhh
[22:04:07] kisak: in my setup
[22:04:09] sphery: and that, too
[22:04:19] sphery: especially in modern receivers
[22:04:31] sphery: (mine is actually at 0W by my kill-a-watt when powered off)
[22:04:40] sphery: but it's an old one that's not very good
[22:05:14] sphery: anyway, just annoying how much wasted effort is put into "solutions" like these
[22:05:34] sphery: (had to vent... catching up on my list traffic and just caught up with the last such thread)
[22:06:47] kisak: well, I've lost about 10 episodes in the last week or so due to the settop box being in the off state, so I need to do something to make it a self-healing setup
[22:12:33] sphery: yeah, set-top-box needs to be on../
[22:13:02] sphery: I'm talking about A/V receivers (i.e. the thing to which you pipe output of mythfrontend--video and audio cables--before sending them through to the monitor/TV and speakers)
[22:14:08] sphery: I completely understand what you're trying to do--and actually had to work around that myself back when I had Dish network satellite TV (and, eventually, one of the other users reverse-engineered the remote protocol and found 2 undocumented discrete power functions, which solved the problem for me)
[22:14:33] kisak: my script has got to be one of the smaller primer scripts around
[22:14:46] sphery: I just ran a script on a cron job somewhere before my main recording period (primetime, evening recordings) began
[22:14:51] sphery: it ran a power on
[22:15:43] sphery: the reason I didn't put it into the channel change script is actually documented at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration
[22:16:00] sphery: If using the discrete power_on button, I recommend you do not include it in a channel change script. If the receiver is, in fact, off, it will not receive/process additional commands after the "power_on" until it has finished booting. Therefore, if you do most of your recording during primetime, you could set up a daily cron job to send a "power_on" a few minutes before primetime begins. You may even try sending the command more often ...
[22:16:06] sphery: ... (i.e. at 25 and 55 past each hour), but test this out before any important recordings.
[22:16:34] sphery: (where the "I" in that quote is actually me... It took something like 30s to a minute or 2 for the dish receiver to boot and start processing signals)
[22:17:10] sphery: kisak: you could do the same (or should at least test the "non-responsive" period for your receiver
[22:17:47] kisak: luckily for me, a query powerstate was added to 6200ch
[22:18:50] kisak: since it's from the soft-off state, not a hard-start, 1 second should be sufficient
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[22:19:47] kisak: I'd need some sort of remote power relay to do a hard poweroff to save any money
[22:20:02] kisak: (on the stb's)
[22:21:16] kisak: I don't care to dig that deep
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[22:25:03] sphery: yeah, I just left my dish receiver on all the time because it was the same power usage either way
[22:25:25] sphery: like you said, it would have required a real physical switch to save any power
[22:31:14] jams: and then those physical switchs draw power as well(if remote capable)
[22:32:08] kisak: so I got no feedback on that little script
[22:34:19] sphery: ok, was looking at a modern a/v receiver... randomly chose pioneer elite ( http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/A . . . te+Receivers ) vsx-52 "workhorse" ( http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/A . . . ivers/VSX-52 ), whose "Specifications" page ( http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/A . . . ecifications ) says, "Estimated Power Consumption: 560W"
[22:34:24] jams: i would put the power-is-on bit in a loop
[22:34:37] sphery: that's only when driving all those speakers at relatively high power, right?
[22:35:01] sphery: So, in theory, if the guy set it up to automatically play his news shows with only 2 or 3 speakers, it would be much lower, right?
[22:35:41] sphery: mine is 41W with analog stereo input when driving stereo speakers--but I don't have the setup to see what it would be with 5.1 channels (and the receiver doesn't even support 7.1)
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[22:35:57] sphery: mine is also 41W when powered on, but not actually driving any speakers...
[22:36:14] sphery: so I don't see how you'd get 1/2 kW usage out of one...
[22:37:51] jams: sphery- your manual doesn't have an idleing power spec?
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[22:41:24] sphery: I don't have the elite... was just checking what a modern A/V receiver uses
[22:41:30] sphery: that's the only info I could find
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[22:42:06] sphery: but the guy on the (dev?) list wants to be able to tell MythTV to use either analog or digital output, with digital connected to his A/V receiver and analog going straight to the TV
[22:42:24] sphery: so basically trying to figure out if he'd even save any real power in doing so
[22:43:31] kisak: that's rubbish, soft-off is reported as having the power on
[22:44:40] jams: sphery- anyway my hk 630 states 59w idle 1000w at rated power
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[22:45:08] sphery: does it go up to hundreds of watts when actually outputting?
[22:45:25] sphery: and if so, does it depend on number of channels it's outputting and such?
[22:45:54] sphery: i.e. would this guy actually save money by piping analog audio directly to his TV to watch news and only using the A/V receiver to watch movies?
[22:46:03] jams: it's all a guessing game with these things as they all state things differently. But for the HK it does depend on the number of channels in use
[22:46:19] jams: and no it doesn't jump from 59->1000
[22:46:24] sphery: his thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/498204#498204
[22:47:04] sphery: "I use the analog output when just casually watching TV – the news, a TV show. But I want to use digital surround pass-through when I'm watching a movie."
[22:47:09] sphery: my question is why?
[22:47:12] jams: personally i turn off the AVR just to reduce heat output
[22:48:13] jams: i could see that being a use case. Sometimes you just don't need the subwoofer and surround sound which carry.
[22:48:30] jams: mostly i would use it to reduce heat output, or at night when others are trying to sleep
[22:48:40] jams: the tv speakers don't carry as much
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[22:50:22] jams: although using OSS it's alot easier to route then the alsa hoops & db settings as suggested in the thread
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[22:53:49] sphery: though don't you just use a different output mode with "Sometimes you just don't need the subwoofer and surround sound which carry" type stuff?
[22:53:59] sphery: i.e. change the AVR, not mythtv config
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[22:54:56] jams: no. i turn off the avr and output from the mythbox to the small speakers
[22:55:12] jams: two different outputs from the soundcard
[22:56:08] sphery: but isn't the whole purpose of the AVR to allow you to control which speakers/outputs you use?
[22:56:21] sphery: it's the abstraction
[22:56:33] sphery: it shouldn't involve users choosing which things to turn on
[22:57:58] jams: all depends on the AVR..some do some don't
[22:58:20] jams: they are not "simple devices"
[22:58:54] jams: For me not having that extra heat being generated is very nice.
[22:59:30] kisak: so I thought I had a method of telling if my set top boxes were on or soft-off, but they spit out the same response
[22:59:49] kisak: so I've made no improvement at all
[22:59:53] sphery: why not just send the power on command regardless?
[23:00:10] sphery: either in a channel change script or on a cron (daily, hourly, half-hourly, ...)
[23:00:11] kisak: it's a toggle
[23:00:24] sphery: there's no discrete power on in firewire control?
[23:00:24] jams: ew
[23:01:12] kisak: I need a method of detecting the soft-off state to act on it
[23:02:50] sphery: I'd guess there's a discrete power on command
[23:03:16] sphery: hard part is likely finding it
[23:03:25] kisak: the power toggle in 6200ch works
[23:03:38] sphery: but /especially/ on firewire--a 2-way communication interface--I can't imagine there being no discrete power function
[23:03:57] sphery: doesn't work if you don't know the soft-off state :)
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[23:16:36] k-man: how much data would a blu ray DVD movie image be if you ripped it and did not re-encode?
[23:16:46] k-man: roughly
[23:17:05] kisak: roughly 25GB per layer
[23:17:19] k-man: per layer? how many layers are there typicaly?
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[23:18:16] kisak: although, you're asking about one of those hybrid disks, so 25GB+4.7GB
[23:18:35] k-man: I am?
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[23:18:48] kisak: "a blu ray DVD movie image"
[23:18:56] kisak: such a thing exists
[23:19:25] k-man: I ask because some ignorant I know said something like "120g is equivalent to 25 HD movies on DVD at 4.7g each"
[23:19:50] k-man: I want to point out that DVDs are not HD and HD movies presumably off blu-ray are considerably bigger
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[23:40:07] jams: wagnerrp- are you aware of any little scripts on the wiki that will give you alist of scheduled recordings and conflicts? Looking to avoid reinventing the wheel
[23:47:09] jams: mostly looking to replace mythtv-status as I dislike perl
[23:56:14] sphery: jams: pretty sure all we have is (the hacky, needs rewritten using the python bindings) see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl
[23:56:51] sphery: would love for you to replace that (even if you don't do the misc status format output--I can add that in)
[23:57:00] jams: k
[23:57:15] jams: don't mind the work, just didn't want to duplicate effort
[23:57:33] sphery: fwiw, I completely agree with you about mythtv-status
[23:58:14] jams: i like the output of mythtv-status it's useful
[23:58:15] sphery: (though, much of my disagreement is also in the need for a script to run an hourly job that updates the message of the day to show stuff /only/ when a user ssh's into the system)
[23:58:48] sphery: but it definitely needs rewritten to use python bindigns and/or services api stuff
[23:59:00] sphery: ideally would use bindings that use services api
[23:59:18] wagnerrp: jams: it wouldnt take much to write some such using the python bindings
[23:59:31] wagnerrp: but then the bindings arent yet using the new API

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