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| [05:06:22] | sphery: | XDS2010: out of curiosity is it on... |
| [05:06:25] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [05:06:25] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [05:06:34] | XDS2010: | no. |
| [05:06:52] | sphery: | so are you planning to work on drivers for it? |
| [05:06:58] | XDS2010: | New chipset fresh out the gate |
| [05:07:09] | sphery: | or wait for their drivers? |
| [05:07:22] | XDS2010: | sphery: the drivers are already made, they are just in private beta |
| [05:07:25] | sphery: | (and do you know if their drivers will be FOSS/will be submitted to linuxtv?) |
| [05:07:36] | sphery: | cool |
| [05:08:10] | XDS2010: | sphery: a better question is now. Where can I find a dual band DVB-T/DVB-R portable tuner that is cross platform |
| [05:08:15] | sphery: | I'm impressed they're actually working on their own linux drivers (rather than only supporting Windows) |
| [05:08:22] | wagnerrp: | even odds theyre using some bogus LD_PRELOAD approach |
| [05:08:30] | sphery: | that could be |
| [05:08:38] | XDS2010: | Since we now have a potential ATSC/NTSC/QAM/FM stick that is cross platform |
| [05:09:05] | wagnerrp: | weve had such devices for most of the the past decade |
| [05:09:15] | XDS2010: | I would however imagine that because its USB the signal sensitivity wont be that great |
| [05:09:39] | XDS2010: | wagnerrp: not in a laptop solution tho. Nothing past the 1950 |
| [05:09:58] | wagnerrp: | yes, plenty of USB tuners available that do ATSC and QAM |
| [05:10:01] | XDS2010: | And the 1950 i wouldn't call portable |
| [05:10:12] | wagnerrp: | and whatever this device is almost certainly should not be used to record NTSC |
| [05:10:18] | XDS2010: | wagnerrp: Yes but none that will do all 5 |
| [05:10:20] | wagnerrp: | (i.e. not a hardware encoder like the 1950) |
| [05:10:23] | wagnerrp: | all... five? |
| [05:10:29] | XDS2010: | right |
| [05:10:43] | wagnerrp: | ATSC, NTSC, Clear QAM, FM... |
| [05:10:44] | XDS2010: | ATSC/NTSC/QAM64/256/FM |
| [05:10:46] | wagnerrp: | HD Radio? |
| [05:10:55] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [05:11:05] | XDS2010: | qam 64 and qam 256 |
| [05:11:16] | wagnerrp: | i dare you to find a Clear QAM tuner that only does one, but not both 64 and 256 |
| [05:11:36] | wagnerrp: | i doubt such a tuner card exists on the market |
| [05:12:07] | wagnerrp: | not that QAM64 gets much use in the first place |
| [05:12:08] | XDS2010: | wagnerrp: you're missing the point. There are no portable solutions that do NTSC/ATSC/QAM and HD FM Radio |
| [05:12:24] | XDS2010: | The 1950 is simply to big |
| [05:12:38] | wagnerrp: | 'FM Radio' and 'HD Radio' are two different things, even though HD radio is technically on the FM bands |
| [05:12:46] | wagnerrp: | does that device actually do HD Radio? |
| [05:12:53] | XDS2010: | yes. |
| [05:12:57] | wagnerrp: | ive not actually seen a computer-attached device that will do HD Radio |
| [05:12:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, just started it (about half way through the pilot), but I'm enjoying Chaos |
| [05:13:04] | wagnerrp: | although ive never gone looking |
| [05:13:24] | XDS2010: | It does both FM and HD FM |
| [05:13:28] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [05:13:40] | wagnerrp: | in any case, mythtv does not support radio, FM or otherwise |
| [05:13:45] | XDS2010: | wagnerrp: RTFM above i said its PRIVATE BETA |
| [05:13:53] | wagnerrp: | the device, not the driver |
| [05:14:15] | XDS2010: | Im not at liberty to say which device obviously |
| [05:14:27] | wagnerrp: | then why say anything at all? |
| [05:14:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i would advise trying to find a production ordering |
| [05:14:43] | wagnerrp: | they aired it completely messed up |
| [05:14:57] | XDS2010: | wagnerrp: because i can :) |
| [05:15:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, good to know... I'll look that up |
| [05:15:32] | wagnerrp: | the second episode was very jarring |
| [05:15:55] | wagnerrp: | i initially thought they pulled a Fresh Prince, replacing some black brunette with a white blond |
| [05:16:17] | wagnerrp: | no, i had just missed several episodes of character development in between |
| [05:16:28] | sphery: | hehe |
| [05:16:43] | wagnerrp: | wait, no... shes still there |
| [05:16:53] | wagnerrp: | then who is this other chick that seems to have taken her role? |
| [05:17:07] | wagnerrp: | its written as if im just supposed to know |
| [05:17:23] | sphery: | yeah, seems that production code (listed on wikipedia) shows originally planned order |
| [05:17:34] | XDS2010: | i have a question |
| [05:17:46] | XDS2010: | why exactly doesn't myth have radio support ? |
| [05:18:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to record things on a schedule |
| [05:18:15] | XDS2010: | ok |
| [05:18:21] | XDS2010: | right |
| [05:18:23] | sphery: | it's way out of order, it seems, though... 1ASM79, 1ASM03, 1ASM06, 1ASM08, 1ASM04, 1ASM02, 1ASM05, 1ASM01, 1ASM07, 1ASM09, 1ASM10, 1ASM11, 1ASM12 |
| [05:18:27] | wagnerrp: | lacking any available schedule on when things will air on radio, theres not much point to it |
| [05:18:40] | XDS2010: | ummm... |
| [05:18:45] | wagnerrp: | sure, you could whip up a quick plugin to access a radio, and play it |
| [05:18:59] | wagnerrp: | but then you may as well just use the radio built into nearly every AV receiver to do the same |
| [05:19:08] | sphery: | or just use Internet radio |
| [05:19:12] | sphery: | or Pandora or Spotify |
| [05:19:17] | XDS2010: | Since when did radio stations stop sending schedule info to the fcc ? |
| [05:19:42] | sphery: | if it goes there, we don't seem to have any way to access it :) |
| [05:20:07] | wagnerrp: | aside from talk radio shows, the most ive ever seen on any radio station website is the past couple songs played |
| [05:20:13] | XDS2010: | sphery: i can access anything i want that the gov. can access |
| [05:20:13] | wagnerrp: | maybe a few hours of that at the most |
| [05:20:28] | wagnerrp: | XDS2010: got a link of where to find that information? |
| [05:24:50] | XDS2010: | ill see what i can find |
| [05:25:09] | wagnerrp: | XDS2010: it all comes down to the issue that mythtv is designed for the needs of the developers |
| [05:25:30] | XDS2010: | developers dont listen to fm radio ? |
| [05:25:38] | wagnerrp: | if mythtv is lacking something, that means that at no point did any developer decide they sufficiently wanted that capability to write in support for it |
| [05:25:53] | wagnerrp: | nor did any user decide such, and submit a patch that added support for it |
| [05:25:58] | XDS2010: | umm.. |
| [05:26:06] | wagnerrp: | i listen to fm radio... in my car |
| [05:26:06] | XDS2010: | developers dont listen to the radio ? |
| [05:26:19] | wagnerrp: | at home, ive got cds and other media to listen to |
| [05:26:38] | XDS2010: | umm... |
| [05:26:48] | XDS2010: | developers dont listen to the radio at home? |
| [05:26:55] | sphery: | and I have a subscription to pandora which has a much better collection than I, no ads (like on FM), and plays music I like (and can influence) |
| [05:27:16] | wagnerrp: | if i did have the urge to listen to radio at home, ive got about a dozen radios between various walkmen, mp3 players, alarm clocks, and AV equipment |
| [05:27:53] | sphery: | including the A/V receiver hooked up to your myth box, no doubt |
| [05:28:05] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
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| [05:28:31] | wagnerrp: | the reason to have FM support in mythtv would be to record radio |
| [05:29:25] | wagnerrp: | its not worth bothering to record music, because there are plenty of other inexpensive sources, beyond the fact that there is no reasonable way to find out what a station will be playing when |
| [05:29:33] | XDS2010: | ok i want fm support, count me as the 163rd person here who wants it out of the 160 other people who dont |
| [05:29:34] | wagnerrp: | which leaves talk radio |
| [05:29:49] | wagnerrp: | there is a potential use case for recording talk radio for later access |
| [05:30:16] | wagnerrp: | but its not one that any mythtv developer or other user has decided to act upon |
| [05:30:45] | XDS2010: | I want radio support. I listen to the radio at home. I am a developer of other things. |
| [05:31:04] | XDS2010: | That is all. |
| [05:31:13] | wagnerrp: | feel free to revive the old 3rd party mythfm, which did nothing but play, not record |
| [05:32:20] | XDS2010: | lol last post : July 2010 , this should be fun |
| [05:33:22] | wagnerrp: | seems the website it was formerly hosted on is now defunct |
| [05:33:37] | wagnerrp: | no idea where you might find a copy of it |
| [05:35:33] | XDS2010: | web archives |
| [05:35:35] | XDS2010: | maybe |
| [05:35:43] | wagnerrp: | they dont archive files |
| [05:36:05] | XDS2010: | yes they do. |
| [05:36:17] | XDS2010: | they most certainly do archive files. |
| [05:39:03] | wagnerrp: | well it seems the last version of that plugin was from before i even started using mythtv |
| [05:39:54] | XDS2010: | It also would seem the MythFM plugin had some basic recording controls as well |
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| [05:40:14] | wagnerrp: | potentially, but it only operated on the frontend |
| [05:40:23] | wagnerrp: | no interfacing with the backend or other frontends |
| [05:40:42] | XDS2010: | I doubt that. |
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| [05:41:04] | XDS2010: | Why have a FM recording frontend with no backend support. |
| [05:41:13] | XDS2010: | Seems unlikely. |
| [05:41:31] | wagnerrp: | because the backend does not support plugins at this time |
| [05:41:37] | XDS2010: | Anyways all the files are still available. http://web.archive.org/web/20100125051408/htt . . . ownload.html |
| [05:44:30] | XDS2010: | Seems they have a patch which remedied that. |
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| [10:17:01] | fleixius_: | My live tv recordings don't automatically expire. |
| [10:17:04] | fleixius_: | Any ideas? |
| [10:17:28] | fleixius_: | Its been nearly 3 months... and over 400GB |
| [10:17:29] | fleixius_: | lol |
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| [10:21:29] | sid3windr: | as long as you have space left (as configured) they will not be removed afaik |
| [10:22:34] | fleixius_: | I thought, by default they would be removed after 1 day. |
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| [10:47:19] | dekarl: | XDS2010: Wouldn't it be easier to simply add a FMRecorder similar to the V4LRecorder? DVB radio works well (for some definitions of well) with the generic DVB recorder. As does receiving IPTV radio with the IPTV recorder. |
| [10:49:37] | dekarl: | you can even add in some generic handling of RDS radio text and the like (maybe similar to CC) shared for all radio sources |
| [10:55:54] | dekarl: | And here's a nice chart wrt hard disk prices. its the most popular (in terms of numbers of shops offering it) 3,5" SATA disk. Going from 28.33 to 94.90 in 3 months http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?phist=576499&age=9999 |
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| [11:04:58] | ahhughez: | good evening :) |
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| [11:06:45] | ahhughez: | can anyone help me determine if uinput is or is not loaded on my machine, and if not, how can this be loaded. I have tried lsmod | grep uinput. Which has no output, this indicates AFAIK that uinput is not loaded. |
| [11:08:26] | ahhughez: | However, when I run `locate uinput` I can see /usr/include/linux/uinput.h and more in /usr/src/linux-headers/**/uinput.h |
| [11:08:29] | ahhughez: | and... |
| [11:08:36] | ahhughez: | I also have.. |
| [11:08:57] | ahhughez: | /dev/uinput |
| [11:09:22] | ahhughez: | I cant work this out :'( |
| [11:12:40] | clever: | ahhughez: if it was compiled into the kernel, lsmod would not show it, but it would always be loaded |
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| [11:33:15] | ahhughez: | clever, that kinda makes sense. Any idea how I can tell if I have it and if it is functional? |
| [11:33:45] | ahhughez: | btw: this is all for the sony bd remote on my myth machine |
| [11:37:32] | clever: | ls -ld /dev/uinput |
| [11:38:15] | trumee: | is there any recommended window manager for snes/mythtv? |
| [11:38:49] | trumee: | I was using evilwm until now, but snes9x doesnt like going fullscreen with it. xfce4 seems to be ok though |
| [11:39:18] | clever: | trumee: i usualy use ratpoison |
| [11:39:34] | trumee: | clever: does snes9x go fullscreen with ratpoison? |
| [11:39:44] | clever: | dont remember |
| [11:39:50] | ahhughez: | crw-r----- 1 root root 10, 223 2011-12–04 21:22 /dev/uinput |
| [11:39:54] | clever: | but its a quick install, wont take you long to find out |
| [11:40:04] | trumee: | clever: ok, let me try that |
| [11:40:13] | clever: | ahhughez: about all i can think of next is to just try using it with the right software |
| [11:41:54] | ahhughez: | well if my uinput is running, I've got no idea what the problem is |
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| [11:43:03] | ahhughez: | bluez/examples/list-devices lists the connected bluetooth devices right? not just the trusted ones? Because that does display the remote. |
| [11:52:21] | trumee: | clever: ratpoison works fine with snes. thanks! |
| [11:52:45] | clever: | trumee: ratpoison is good because it does absolutely nothing with the mouse |
| [11:52:51] | clever: | everything is controled via the keyboard |
| [11:53:05] | clever: | no more rats! |
| [11:53:08] | trumee: | clever: snes9x is happy to go full screen. |
| [11:53:14] | clever: | :) |
| [11:54:50] | trumee: | i have PS3 controller working very nice with snes. |
| [11:55:22] | clever: | nice |
| [11:55:35] | clever: | havent gotten my ps3 controller to do anything on a computer yet |
| [11:55:44] | clever: | what guide did you use? |
| [11:56:49] | trumee: | clever: i am using qtsixa for bluetooth setup |
| [11:57:06] | trumee: | clever: http://qtsixa.sourceforge.net/ |
| [11:57:27] | trumee: | clever: no messing about with bluetooth setup. |
| [11:57:31] | clever: | nice |
| [11:59:56] | trumee: | clever: i am wondering now whether quake3 works with ps3 controller. if i could have quake3 working that will be quite nice |
| [12:01:18] | clever: | i havent had much luck with bluetooth before |
| [12:02:14] | ahhughez: | thanks clever :) |
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| [12:02:53] | clever: | damn is qtsixa ever simple to install, doesnt even have a configure script! |
| [12:03:50] | clever: | but i need the depends first |
| [12:05:55] | trumee: | clever: i had in gentoo portage |
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| [12:06:12] | trumee: | clever: what distribution are you using? |
| [12:07:29] | clever: | trumee: gentoo |
| [12:07:43] | clever: | emerge -s couldnt find it, so i'm just trying the source directly |
| [12:07:46] | trumee: | clever: right, there is a repo which has it. lemme check |
| [12:08:43] | clever: | ah, layman again |
| [12:08:45] | trumee: | clever: v-fox repo in layman |
| [12:09:05] | clever: | need to install layman first! |
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| [12:11:34] | clever: | found it |
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| [12:31:28] | clever: | No bluetooth adapters found on the system! |
| [12:31:30] | clever: | hmmmm |
| [12:35:27] | clever: | duh!, bluetooth was off in the kernel! |
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| [12:53:32] | trumee: | clever: you would need uinput module too |
| [12:54:53] | clever: | i'll add that to the list once bluetooth is done |
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| [12:55:10] | trumee: | clever: i havent figured out which keys of ps3 controller should be mapped to 'A B X Y' keys of snes. |
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| [13:03:30] | clever: | found uinput |
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| [13:08:52] | clever: | trumee: it says to hit the PS button, but nothing is happening |
| [13:09:02] | trumee: | clever: did you pair it? |
| [13:09:19] | clever: | let me try that program |
| [13:09:38] | trumee: | clever: you need to pair it with usb first. use the command sixpair as root |
| [13:09:52] | clever: | did that, still nothing over bluetooth |
| [13:10:02] | trumee: | clever: and did you start bluetooth? |
| [13:10:15] | clever: | yes |
| [13:10:24] | trumee: | clever: you need to have bluetooth service running before starting sixad |
| [13:11:20] | trumee: | clever: is your controller genuine? |
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| [13:11:34] | trumee: | clever: it seems that sixaxis clones dont work |
| [13:11:35] | clever: | trumee: http://privatepaste.com/b29ab23a8d and its the original controler that came with the ps3 |
| [13:11:55] | clever: | unable to get device information |
| [13:12:08] | trumee: | clever: and you have paired using sixpair? |
| [13:12:27] | clever: | gamer linux # sixpair |
| [13:12:27] | clever: | Current Bluetooth master: 4c:0f:6e:b0:d3:2f |
| [13:12:28] | clever: | Setting master bd_addr to 00:0c:55:36:1a:c4 |
| [13:12:46] | trumee: | clever: right, seems to have paired |
| [13:13:10] | trumee: | clever: hcitool dev? |
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| [13:13:20] | clever: | hci0 00:0C:55:36:1A:C4 |
| [13:13:36] | trumee: | clever: hmm. seems to be ok |
| [13:14:09] | trumee: | clever: i know i had this problem, but a bluetooth restart fixed it |
| [13:14:54] | clever: | trumee: nothing |
| [13:15:26] | trumee: | clever: there is a debug setting in /etc/default/sixad, turn that on |
| [13:15:56] | clever: | ah, i wasnt using /etc/init.d/sixad either, just sixad -s |
| [13:17:05] | clever: | trumee: http://privatepaste.com/f2942284df final line came up when i hit the PS button |
| [13:17:33] | trumee: | clever: seems it is still searching |
| [13:17:41] | clever: | unable to get device information |
| [13:17:41] | clever: | Creating new device using the default driver... |
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| [15:01:32] | mazda01: | anyone in here use mythbox on OSX XBMC by chance? |
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| [15:06:23] | mazda01: | i completely understand if no one can help, just curious as I am running MythTV .23.1+fixes as my headless backend |
| [15:06:59] | mazda01: | and would really love to use this appletv to access recordings etc etc. I know I can share the readable recordings out over SMB but that's my last ditch fallback |
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| [15:24:50] | mazda01: | isn't there a workaround to this error? getServerVersion: REJECT 23056 |
| [15:25:10] | mazda01: | something about just updating a file with the correct version number? |
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| [17:10:56] | dekarl: | mazda01: shouldnt you be using the native myth protocol support instead? Maybe the people over in #xbmc can tell you more than http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythTV |
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| [17:33:13] | toeb: | is there any remote out there which really works completly out of the box? I mean: Plug in a usb receiver, all keys work and I never have to fuck with lirc or any other awkward tool? |
| [17:34:55] | [R]: | you alwaysh ave to do some kind of configuration |
| [17:35:05] | [R]: | its not like configuring lirc is rocket science |
| [17:35:29] | [R]: | i have a usb ir reciever that shows up as a keyboard |
| [17:35:38] | [R]: | but you still have to configure myth to match its keys up with what myth is expecting |
| [17:36:22] | toeb: | configuring myth is ok |
| [17:37:00] | [R]: | hell, i still used lirc when i was using that reciever |
| [17:37:01] | toeb: | what receiver are you using? |
| [17:37:10] | [R]: | it was a piece of crap usb thing that came with some random tuner card |
| [17:37:25] | dekarl: | toeb can you not simply select your remote in the mythbuntu-control-center? (or whatever your distribution uses instead) |
| [17:38:08] | dekarl: | I tried that last time with Knoppmyth and just selecting the right remote from the list did the complete setup |
| [17:38:26] | mazda01: | dekarl, doesn't work either and I get nothing in the xbmc log saying why |
| [17:39:14] | toeb: | atm i don't have a receiver or remote... i want to by one. All i can remember from some years ago when i tried to use lirc is that it was horribly painfull... |
| [17:39:16] | dekarl: | mazda01: thats strange, I thought 0.23-fixes was supported with xbmc... Do they have some ideas in #xbmc? |
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| [17:40:20] | [R]: | toeb: like i said... its not rocket science |
| [17:40:27] | [R]: | toeb: you select the driver, you select a config, boom, done |
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| [17:41:54] | toeb: | [R]: so what should i buy to get this boom effect? |
| [17:42:08] | skd5aner: | well, lirc /use/ to be rocket science... back in ~2003/2004 |
| [17:42:23] | [R]: | i think ubuntu has a list of things |
| [17:42:38] | [R]: | i use a homemade serial receiver |
| [17:42:43] | [R]: | and i downloaded a config off of the google |
| [17:43:04] | [R]: | but a radnom remote, which i then have my harmony use the codes for |
| [17:44:58] | mazda01: | dekarl, my sources.xml is here: http://pastebin.com/fF6f0XJp |
| [17:46:00] | toeb: | skd5aner: i think it was before 2003 when i tried it... |
| [17:46:24] | mazda01: | dekarl, it's a protocol issue I believe, here is the first error I see: 23:04:53 T:52938240 M: 9916416 NOTICE: D | conn.py | MainThread | Line 288 | getServerVersion: REJECT 23056 |
| [17:46:49] | mazda01: | dekarl, i googled a bit but I thought there was some file where I could attempt a work around when I change the protocol version it checks for so it won't fail |
| [17:48:00] | mazda01: | skd5aner, toeb isn't lirc how you control an HD-PVR? |
| [17:48:13] | skd5aner: | it's one way |
| [17:48:30] | skd5aner: | not the way I do it though, and you wouldn't control the HD-PVR, you'd control the device the HD-PVR is hooked up to |
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| [17:49:48] | mazda01: | skd5aner, that's what I meant, controlling the device that's feeding the hd-pvr |
| [17:50:03] | skd5aner: | yea, but I use firewire to control my STB |
| [17:50:07] | mazda01: | skd5aner, how else to use an hd-pvr with say a twc cable box |
| [17:50:16] | skd5aner: | ^ |
| [17:50:24] | mazda01: | skd5aner, assuming there is no firewire |
| [17:51:26] | skd5aner: | my TWC box has firewire |
| [17:51:30] | skd5aner: | what model is yours? |
| [17:54:50] | mazda01: | skd5aner, i don't have it anymore. i don't pay for cable but looking into for the future is all. so you're saying newer TWC boxes have firewire? |
| [17:56:09] | mazda01: | skd5aner, which OS you use? |
| [17:56:20] | mazda01: | skd5aner, and what version of mythtv |
| [17:56:53] | skd5aner: | every cable provider in the US has to offer a STB that has a functional firewire port |
| [17:57:13] | skd5aner: | the Scientific Atlantic boxes are the ones that TWC usually provides with such |
| [17:57:34] | skd5aner: | that said, I've never been able to capture video via firewire, but channel control works great with the built in scripts |
| [17:58:00] | skd5aner: | any version of myth in the last 5 years would do it |
| [17:58:11] | skd5aner: | (control firewire via a channel change script) |
| [17:59:43] | dekarl: | mazda01: looks like that is a known error with mythbox http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/issues/detail?id=190 |
| [18:05:40] | wagnerrp: | aww come on.... |
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| [18:06:02] | wagnerrp: | this pull request has been sitting there since the end of april |
| [18:06:20] | wagnerrp: | i _finally_ get word back from gary butters that i can pull it |
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| [18:06:35] | wagnerrp: | and days before, someone messes with the themes and makes the pull not directly applicable |
| [18:07:59] | mazda01: | dekarl, LOL, not known, i just posted that. |
| [18:08:57] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner, mazda01: that requirement was ended once all the cablecard stuff went through |
| [18:09:30] | wagnerrp: | you may get a functional firewire box, you may even successfully request one for a replacement |
| [18:09:40] | wagnerrp: | but i dont belive that they have to give you one anymore |
| [18:10:22] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, so is there any cable card hardware currently that is pci-express addon? |
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| [18:11:09] | wagnerrp: | the Ceton tuners |
| [18:11:22] | tstaerk_: | hi I have a Hauppauge PVR USB 2 |
| [18:11:27] | mazda01: | cool, i can google the rest thanks |
| [18:11:36] | wagnerrp: | but theyre worthless with time warner |
| [18:11:40] | wagnerrp: | as everything is copy protected |
| [18:11:41] | tstaerk_: | is there a guide for this? |
| [18:11:52] | wagnerrp: | and so the cablecard tuners refuse to give mythtv anything |
| [18:12:00] | wagnerrp: | tstaerk_: do you have a /dev/video0? |
| [18:12:06] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, last question, mythtv backend still refuses connection upon a protocol check correct? |
| [18:12:08] | tstaerk_: | yes I have |
| [18:12:19] | dekarl: | mazda01: oh sorry, was messing up the dates, here a german thread from march with exactly the same issue :( http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/mythbuntu-1 . . . post-2818071 |
| [18:12:31] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: correct, and for 0.24 and on, mythtv now requires an identifying token |
| [18:12:38] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: yes and using mplayer /dev/video0 I can nicely watch one channel |
| [18:12:58] | wagnerrp: | to prevent xbmc and other third party clients from just blindly cycling the version based off what the backend tells it |
| [18:13:10] | wagnerrp: | tstaerk_: add it as an IVTV MPEG2 Encoder |
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| [18:13:44] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: done |
| [18:14:00] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: how do I start the channel search |
| [18:14:15] | mazda01: | dekarl, pfft, i don't know german. would google translator work? |
| [18:14:37] | wagnerrp: | create a video source, map it to your tuner input, and scan |
| [18:15:00] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, oh don't get me wrong, its a good incorporation so you don't have people crying mythtv doesn't work yadda yadda and making mythtv look bad. is that the main reason |
| [18:15:18] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: huh? |
| [18:15:34] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: I always get the message that it did not add any channels |
| [18:15:37] | wagnerrp: | no, it has nothing to do with how it looks |
| [18:15:50] | wagnerrp: | its their program, they can make it look however they want |
| [18:15:51] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: however, it shows some channels |
| [18:15:53] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, sorry, let me clarify. what's the reason mythtv requires protocol check and now an identifying token? |
| [18:15:57] | wagnerrp: | we care about what they do on our end |
| [18:16:25] | wagnerrp: | the mythbox plugin used to generate the menus and do data interfacing is kosher enough |
| [18:16:36] | wagnerrp: | it knows what protocol versions it can connect to, and doesnt try any others |
| [18:16:42] | mazda01: | so there's no confusion, using the words "makes mythtv look bad" had nothing to do with "looks" |
| [18:16:58] | wagnerrp: | the internal myth:// support in xbmc is not |
| [18:17:23] | wagnerrp: | it will connect to the backend, fail with what version the backend is running, and then connect back to the backend with the proper version |
| [18:17:33] | wagnerrp: | that they may or may not actually understand how to speak |
| [18:17:45] | wagnerrp: | completely corrupting the entire purpose of version checking on a communications protocol |
| [18:17:52] | mazda01: | I was merely saying that community users could claim mythtv didn't work for them if they used certain 3rd party apps to connect to it IF it didn't do the protocol checks and now identifying token check |
| [18:18:08] | wagnerrp: | lots of other 3rd party applications did the same thing |
| [18:18:35] | wagnerrp: | the identification tokens are published in the protocol documentation on the wiki, and can be found in plain text in the code |
| [18:19:02] | wagnerrp: | all it does is add another string to the version that is NOT sent in the version mismatch response |
| [18:19:27] | wagnerrp: | so xbmc tries to access a file with its myth:// URI support |
| [18:19:40] | wagnerrp: | it says its protocol version 8 or so |
| [18:19:58] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, ok, so mythbox is suppose to work BUT version 1.04 for me anyway does not because of this: | conn.py | MainThread | Line 215 | getServerVersion: REJECT 23056 |
| [18:20:11] | wagnerrp: | backend responds, too bad, im version 70 |
| [18:20:28] | wagnerrp: | xbmc sends back, oh, i lied, im actually version 70 too |
| [18:20:42] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: is there a way to find out what channels mythtv has found? In the database maybe? |
| [18:20:42] | wagnerrp: | backend response, no, youre lying now because you didnt send the correct token |
| [18:20:55] | wagnerrp: | tstaerk_: when you scan, it will list everything it finds in that window |
| [18:21:12] | tstaerk_: | and how can I select a channel then and watch it? |
| [18:21:27] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: correct behavior would instead have xbmc saying... im actually version 70 too, and my token is 53153836 to prove it |
| [18:22:01] | wagnerrp: | tstaerk_: have you actually read any documentation up to this point? |
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| [18:23:16] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, I didnt realize that frontends and backends had such personal conversations like that! |
| [18:23:44] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: in plain english and everything! |
| [18:23:54] | Twiggy2cents: | Well that seems easy to code |
| [18:24:24] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: I did not find documentation answering this question |
| [18:24:44] | wagnerrp: | tstaerk_: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [18:25:13] | wagnerrp: | (one or more) backend records, (one or more) frontend plays, database ties them all together |
| [18:25:48] | wagnerrp: | in other words, you get out of mythtv-setup, fire up mythbackend to manage the tuner, and then fire up mythfrontend to access content recorded by mythbackend |
| [18:26:53] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, this is within Running mythtv 0.23.1+fixes26863 on headless backend, running on an appletv 3.0.2, XBMC 10.1 (Git:e9e9099), Platform: Mac OS X (8.8.2 i386). |
| [18:27:49] | wagnerrp: | the tokens were not implemented until 0.24 |
| [18:28:47] | wagnerrp: | of course there isnt much use to an appletv, unless youve got a crystalhd decoder installed |
| [18:31:30] | tstaerk_: | wagnerrp: thank you, finally the overview I was missing all the time! |
| [18:34:21] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, yeap |
| [18:34:56] | mazda01: | wahrhaft_, crystalhd for sure!! |
| [18:36:32] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, the thing is i don't want to lose the capabilites of the built in OSX 3.0.2. it's just because it's so slick and easy to use (GF and kids factor) |
| [18:36:56] | wagnerrp: | xbmc supports the CHD card under OSX? |
| [18:38:43] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [18:39:35] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=115648 |
| [18:41:42] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i am running the bcm970015 |
| [18:44:25] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, so if mythbox 1.04 is suppose to playback recordings (cause I can that they are there) then why do I get the error: | conn.py | MainThread | Line 215 | getServerVersion: REJECT 23056 |
| [18:44:41] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i can understand if you cant/dont want to help as it's not your app. |
| [18:47:49] | mazda01: | i suppose i need to go check out the conn.py file within the mythbox folder if i really want to solve myself. thanks guys. take care |
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| [19:16:16] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: my silence isnt that i dont want to help, but rather than im not sitting at the computer all the time |
| [19:16:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why you would be getting that error |
| [19:16:46] | wagnerrp: | perhaps they only support 0.23, not 0.23.1 |
| [19:24:25] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i understood that you may be away. i am sorry if it seemed as though i was upset that you weren't asnswering me immediately. |
| [19:25:01] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, could you point me to where i can find out current protocol for my headless mythtv backend? |
| [19:25:23] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Myth_Protocol |
| [19:26:17] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, ok, thanks, i checked all over mythweb but didn;t see it. |
| [19:26:42] | wagnerrp: | the logs said right there, youre running protocol version 23056 |
| [19:28:14] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, oh, i didn't realize that's the myth backend protocol. I thought that was what mythbox wanted to see |
| [19:28:26] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i misunderstood the error |
| [19:31:44] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, mythbox supposedly supports all the way up to .24 (at least latest git does) so I find it very weird. Might be something that the mythbuntu repo has done. I am running 0.23.1+fixes26863–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
| [19:32:12] | wagnerrp: | no, they dont tinker in the scheme or protocol |
| [19:32:46] | skd5aner: | mazda01: I rarely see anyone in here talk about mythbox, and since it's a third-party, I'm not sure how much folks will be able to help you troubleshoot that side of the equation here |
| [19:33:25] | mazda01: | skd5aner, i completely understand. i am trying to mention mythbox the least I can. LOL I really really appreciate all the answers you guys are able to help with |
| [19:33:56] | skd5aner: | It's not an issue of wanting to support it or not, it's just that mythtv can only do what it's designed to do... it hasn't taken mythbox into account at all |
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| [19:34:11] | skd5aner: | so, if that's having a problem trying to connect, you'd have to look at it from that side of the fence I would think |
| [19:34:45] | skd5aner: | the only officially supported clients that mythbackend supports is mythweb and mythfrontend... beyond that, it's all on the other folks to make it work :) |
| [19:37:56] | mazda01: | skd5aner, and i am not disputting that. |
| [19:38:19] | skd5aner: | I know :) |
| [19:38:30] | skd5aner: | I'm just saying... that's all |
| [19:38:42] | mazda01: | i appreciate everyones help, definitely wouldn't be able to be where I am at with mythtv without all you guys. wagnerp has helped me probably years ago when I first found mythtv |
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| [19:39:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you might find this one interesting... |
| [19:39:50] | wagnerrp: | http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2011/11/30_zi . . . is-dead.html |
| [19:42:22] | skd5aner: | my boss actually expect keyboards to go the way of the dodo within 10 years... I laughed... he was serious |
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| [19:42:53] | wagnerrp: | no, this is more a slam on the 'walled garden' of phones limited to content accessed through official app stores |
| [19:42:56] | skd5aner: | he's one of those people who are enamored by siri |
| [19:43:31] | wagnerrp: | that the free range era of software development that the PC afforded is dying |
| [19:43:42] | skd5aner: | yea, I see |
| [19:43:53] | skd5aner: | but, just saying... as far as "dying"... I don't see the PC dying anytime soon |
| [19:44:16] | skd5aner: | no more than I see people talking to their devices instead of using a qwerty keyboard |
| [19:44:49] | wagnerrp: | just use the mouse |
| [19:45:10] | skd5aner: | in what way? |
| [19:45:16] | wagnerrp: | "computer... hello computer..." |
| [19:45:25] | wagnerrp: | as a microphone silly, how else? |
| [19:45:37] | skd5aner: | of course |
| [19:48:13] | wagnerrp: | well its claim is that the iphone walled garden is expanding back into the PC (Mac) realm |
| [19:48:17] | wagnerrp: | with the same restrictions |
| [19:48:53] | wagnerrp: | no free applications, no alterations on the "feel" of OSX, no applications competing with Apple products, 30% commission on everything |
| [19:49:48] | wagnerrp: | and most importantly, apple/google are free to retract access to any application at any time |
| [19:50:25] | wagnerrp: | for instance, an application by a prominent editorial cartoonist pulled because it "ridicules public figures" |
| [19:50:29] | mazda01: | skd5aner, i just find it very weird that 1.04 mythbox says it works with +23.1+fixes and I know I have to discuss this with the developer. i have submitted a ticket to the google code page. THanks again guys. |
| [19:50:53] | wagnerrp: | thats very quickly getting into dangerous levels of censorship |
| [19:52:00] | skd5aner: | I think I've read that book |
| [19:52:52] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner last question, it's a mythtv question. would you think that .23.1+fixes would work the same as .23.1? |
| [19:53:17] | wagnerrp: | +fixes just means it is not a tagged version |
| [19:53:32] | wagnerrp: | it is somewhere on the 0.23/fixes branch, past the 0.23.1 tag |
| [19:53:59] | wagnerrp: | as a matter of principle, we do not change schema or protocol during release branches |
| [19:54:05] | wagnerrp: | and when we do, we tag a new point release |
| [19:54:10] | wagnerrp: | (which is why 0.23.1 exists) |
| [19:54:41] | skd5aner: | I always use -fixes branch |
| [19:54:56] | skd5aner: | why not upgrade to .24-fixes? |
| [19:55:11] | wagnerrp: | because at some point previously, mythbox only supported up to 0.23 |
| [19:55:30] | wagnerrp: | although for what its worth, mythbox is largely abandoned, for a new C-based plugin |
| [19:56:43] | mazda01: | huh, mythbuntu says it's running 0.23.1+fixes26863–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
| [19:56:59] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [19:57:44] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, the mythbox source code was picked up by someone new, it's now at 1.04–58git blah blah and claims to work with MythTV .24 |
| [19:58:17] | mazda01: | skd5aner, thats just what I may try and do. using the mythbuntu repo it's effortless to upgrade everytyhing |
| [19:59:01] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner i am sure you guys are comfortable changing mythtv at the drop of a hat or even running svn BUT for me i know enough to mess it up. LOL So anytime I don't have to change a "working" system I don't |
| [19:59:16] | wagnerrp: | no one runs svn |
| [19:59:51] | wagnerrp: | ive got all my mythtv machines rigged up that i can roll back any changes with just a couple commands and a reboot |
| [20:00:26] | skd5aner: | mazda01: yea, it's not recommended to run development HEAD, and -fixes is a great option for a stable release |
| [20:00:30] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner so everything in my home is working just great as of right now and now implementing this new appletv is proving some extra work and If I have to go to mythtv .24 and cross my fingers and pull the trigger |
| [20:00:40] | skd5aner: | most of the devs run -fixes on their prod systems |
| [20:01:14] | mazda01: | then that's what I will do. (forgot that part) LOL |
| [20:04:02] | mazda01: | as a side note in case I do come across some money, what is the best choice currently for grabbing digital ATSC signals out of the air? that works fully integrated with mythtv? |
| [20:04:18] | wagnerrp: | any ATSC tuner |
| [20:04:22] | skd5aner: | depends... but HDHRs are great |
| [20:04:26] | wagnerrp: | plenty available that work with mythtv |
| [20:04:29] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [20:04:30] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [20:04:41] | wagnerrp: | rather... work with linux |
| [20:04:51] | mazda01: | skd5aner, yeah, I wish I could afford the HDHR, that has 2 tuners |
| [20:04:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just interfaces with anything that uses the Linux DVB API |
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| [20:05:30] | mazda01: | skd5aner, that would be ideal. i currently have 3 analog tuners and rarely hit the 3rd tuner |
| [20:05:35] | skd5aner: | mazda01: they have one that has 1, 2, and 3 |
| [20:06:03] | skd5aner: | er, 1 and 2 |
| [20:06:08] | mazda01: | skd5aner, damn, tuners have come so far. love it. |
| [20:06:24] | mazda01: | skd5aner, back when it came out i remember the 2 tuner on |
| [20:06:26] | mazda01: | one |
| [20:06:38] | skd5aner: | I have an extra one of those... |
| [20:06:44] | mazda01: | i've just been content on my 3 analog cards for a very long time |
| [20:07:14] | mazda01: | wait, what huh???????? would you sell it? i'd pay you thru paypal for shipping and cost you want for it. |
| [20:07:26] | skd5aner: | probably |
| [20:08:26] | skd5aner: | It's new in box, still shrinkwrapped |
| [20:08:58] | mazda01: | skd5aner, ok, how much? |
| [20:09:08] | mazda01: | skd5aner, assuming you aren't in europe. lol |
| [20:09:16] | skd5aner: | sent you a PM |
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| [20:32:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, I agree (and fear this world he's talking about, and that we're moving toward) |
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| [20:48:08] | skd5aner: | I finally have enough space to start ripping some DVD boxsets I've got a TV series, but I can't decide if I should go rip specific episodes or do ISOs of the discs :/ |
| [20:48:28] | skd5aner: | I know if I do the isos, then I loose all the episode specific metadata stuff, which is pretty cool |
| [20:48:45] | skd5aner: | but if I don't rip the isos, I lose the "dvd experience" and some of the easter eggs and bonus features |
| [20:49:04] | wagnerrp: | do both? |
| [20:49:25] | skd5aner: | that's a little more waste of space that I'd prefer |
| [20:49:28] | mazda01: | skd5aner, do you guys run a RAID server for media storage? |
| [20:49:32] | skd5aner: | s/that/than |
| [20:49:49] | skd5aner: | mazda01: no, just independant disks |
| [20:50:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [20:50:59] | Twiggy2cents: | skd5aner, do specific episodes then use ISO's excluding all the episodes. |
| [20:51:33] | skd5aner: | Twiggy2cents: rip out the titles? |
| [20:51:44] | skd5aner: | (of the iso)? |
| [20:51:55] | wagnerrp: | that means a not-insignificant amount of work to remaster all the ISOs |
| [20:52:30] | sphery: | or just rip all the episodes and rip all the bonus features/easter eggs/... |
| [20:52:31] | ** skd5aner will love the day when mythtv will become episode aware of ISOs :) ** | |
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| [20:52:39] | mazda01: | skd5aner, how does mythtv handle recording to a NFS share, just fine right? |
| [20:52:46] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [20:53:10] | wagnerrp: | it works, but its not ideal |
| [20:53:18] | mazda01: | skd5aner, all my hard drives are currently local BUT I am building an unRAID server with old laying around hardware. which will share out the 3TB to mythtv |
| [20:53:20] | wagnerrp: | better than CIFS, but best to record to local storage |
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| [20:53:42] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, why, because of write speeds? |
| [20:53:43] | wagnerrp: | why not just make your backend the unraid server? |
| [20:53:43] | skd5aner: | my HDPVR is remote and records to an NFS drive – works well |
| [20:53:54] | wagnerrp: | why not use a proper raid like 5/6 |
| [20:54:08] | wagnerrp: | or why not just give spare disks to mythtv for recording? |
| [20:54:27] | wagnerrp: | raid does nothing but reduce performance with respect to recordings |
| [20:54:28] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, don't want the confusion of a "proper raid" and also, I am not sure how unRAID works (runs from a usb stick and it's foot print is tiny (50mb) |
| [20:54:30] | rmsbl: | what is the best way to watch recordings on a windows frontend? xbmc doesn't work, it's hard to fast-forward/rewind with windows media player, and mythtv for windows isn't stable at all... |
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| [20:54:54] | wagnerrp: | unraid just takes a bunch of independent disks, and builds a parity stripe on an extra disk |
| [20:55:03] | [R]: | rmsbl: the best way is to get a real os |
| [20:55:05] | mazda01: | rmsbl, install virtual box and install a mythbuntu frontend. LOL |
| [20:55:08] | wagnerrp: | if you lose a disk, you can rebuild it from the parity |
| [20:55:11] | skd5aner: | rmsbl: mount a directory via CIFS and access them with any player capable of playing them? |
| [20:55:12] | wagnerrp: | if you lose the parity, who cares |
| [20:55:24] | wagnerrp: | or, you can discard the parity and use them as independent disks |
| [20:55:28] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, exactly. that way if i have a power failure or a drive die I don't lose anything |
| [20:55:50] | wagnerrp: | you get all the performance disadvantages of raid5 |
| [20:55:56] | wagnerrp: | and none of the performance advantages of raid5 |
| [20:56:12] | rmsbl: | i guess i'll do the mythrename.pl/samba share thing |
| [20:56:15] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, when talking about DISadvantages, what are mainly talking about. SOrry for my ignorance. |
| [20:56:33] | wagnerrp: | any writes require you update the parity set |
| [20:56:42] | wagnerrp: | which means you have to read the existing data off all the other disks |
| [20:56:43] | mazda01: | rmsbl, yeah, i've done that in the past and mplayer plays recordings, fast forward, rewind all that just fine. |
| [20:56:51] | wagnerrp: | update your disk, and then update the parity |
| [20:57:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning with unraid, writes are considerably slower than any single disk |
| [20:57:20] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, yeah, i've been told my write speed will decrease to about 25% of what my current write speed is due to all that going on |
| [20:57:50] | wagnerrp: | for largely read-only content, thats fine |
| [20:57:54] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, BUT to me and my purpose of using it to write recordings to, what does that mean? AGain, sorry for ignorance and lack of researching |
| [20:58:04] | wagnerrp: | but for heavy writing as goes on with recordings, why would you want to do that? |
| [20:58:58] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, why not? i am sorry, if you would be so kind to tell me why its a bad thing then I'll look into something else as far as storing my recordings |
| [20:59:24] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, specifically why its a bad idea. will i have recordings fail? |
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| [20:59:29] | wagnerrp: | because unraid is not designed to be written to |
| [20:59:32] | wagnerrp: | potentially, yes |
| [20:59:40] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, ok, i didn't know that. |
| [21:00:26] | wagnerrp: | in order to prevent linux from filling up the write buffer and then locking, mythtv enforces a sync once per second per recording |
| [21:00:31] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, this is all happening concurrently when i received 2 free 1TB WD NAS boxes and I realized my current headless mythtv backend was a heat box old dell dimension 2800 |
| [21:00:41] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, oops, meant 8200 |
| [21:00:48] | wagnerrp: | when you sync to disk, you need to write the data, write the metadata, and write the journal |
| [21:01:01] | wagnerrp: | thats three seeks and writes per second per recording, minimum |
| [21:01:22] | wagnerrp: | if your disk is fragmented, and the write has to occur in multiple locations, that is yet more seeking and writing |
| [21:01:44] | wagnerrp: | seeks on rotating disks are expensive |
| [21:02:03] | wagnerrp: | on average 8–12ms per seek, depending on the RPM |
| [21:02:22] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, and I also got the apple tv 1. so a lot is all happening at once. Ok, sounds like I defintely want to just swap the current HDD's that are within my myth backend with larger drives then for writing to recordings BUT then also build my unRAID server for read only of my movies, music, and pictures |
| [21:02:58] | wagnerrp: | now when you are just using a bare drive, each recording might take on average 5 seeks, so including the actual write, 50–75ms |
| [21:02:58] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, so is it relatively painless to move to new larger hard drives? I currently have about 124+ recordings |
| [21:03:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning a single disk might be able to handle a dozen simultaneous recordings |
| [21:03:14] | ** skd5aner decides to go the "individual episode" route ** | |
| [21:03:27] | skd5aner: | sigh – I love me my ISOs |
| [21:03:30] | wagnerrp: | each additional independent disk means you have that many more simultaneous recordings you can perform |
| [21:03:35] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, no no, you can stop. You talked me out of using unRAID as the drives I'll write to for mythtv recordings |
| [21:04:15] | wagnerrp: | when you use unraid, you basically double, or even triple the load, because you have to read out all that existing data |
| [21:04:24] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i'll o back to local storage. BUT my question now is there an easy to follow guide for upgrading the disc's which mythtv currently has all it's files stored on? |
| [21:04:47] | mazda01: | o should have been go |
| [21:05:14] | Twiggy2cents: | delete and rerecord! |
| [21:05:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt care where your files are stored, so long as they are on the correct host and a path specified in the correct storage group |
| [21:05:36] | wagnerrp: | so, add a directory on the new disk to the storage group |
| [21:05:39] | wagnerrp: | and copy your files over |
| [21:05:46] | mazda01: | Twiggy2cents, wrong, sorry. i am not going to count on the 124+ shows being aired again |
| [21:05:48] | skd5aner: | mazda01: yea, with storage groups, it's dead simple to add/move disks |
| [21:05:58] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [21:06:07] | mazda01: | skd5aner, i dont think i currently use storage groups. how can i tell? |
| [21:06:18] | wagnerrp: | you use storage groups |
| [21:06:23] | mazda01: | sorry, i saidf I was a mythtv n00b |
| [21:06:24] | wagnerrp: | everyone has used storage groups since 0.21 |
| [21:06:28] | skd5aner: | If you don't know, you likely are |
| [21:06:31] | mazda01: | i count on you guys great support. LOL |
| [21:06:49] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is different, since it can optionally use storage groups, or the older style local folder definitions |
| [21:06:49] | mazda01: | skd5aner, wagnerrp is that were I can assign more then 1 drive to a storage group? |
| [21:06:59] | wagnerrp: | but recordings were forcibly migrated for everyone |
| [21:07:14] | wagnerrp: | you can assign as many directories as you want to a storage group |
| [21:07:19] | skd5aner: | you create multiple directories in a storage group |
| [21:07:32] | wagnerrp: | you should not assign the root mount for a partition to a storage group |
| [21:07:42] | wagnerrp: | always have at least one folder beneath that |
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| [21:14:06] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, yeah, i just looked at currently there's 2 directories listed in the default storage group |
| [21:15:31] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, to clarify, i would be able to completely remove the current mounted hard disks from the 2 mount points called out in the default storage group, then transfer all my recordings over to my new 1tb harddrive, and then simply mount that drive to the same mount point thats being called for in the current default storage and it would just work? |
| [21:16:01] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, meaning it won't screw up things in the database and EVERYTHING will be fine? |
| [21:16:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, as long as the files show up in one of those paths, mythtv is none the wiser |
| [21:16:20] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, you SHOULD NOT specify the root mount of a disk as a storage group |
| [21:16:27] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, assuming users and groups and permissions were all correct on the new drive obviously |
| [21:16:48] | wagnerrp: | if for whatever reason the disk does not mount, mythtv will have no way of knowing that it shouldnt just record straight to the parent disk |
| [21:16:52] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, not sure i totally know what "root mount" of a disk means |
| [21:16:55] | wagnerrp: | which might be a small root partition |
| [21:17:17] | wagnerrp: | lets say you mount your disk somewhere like /mnt/disk1 |
| [21:17:25] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, ok |
| [21:17:25] | wagnerrp: | you would want to record to something like /mnt/disk1/recordings |
| [21:17:36] | wagnerrp: | and not /mnt/disk1 itself |
| [21:17:46] | wagnerrp: | if the disk is not mounted, /mnt/disk1 will still exist |
| [21:17:56] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, ah shit, currently my mythtv-recordings hard drive is mounted that way. |
| [21:17:58] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv will blindly record to it |
| [21:18:43] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, yeah, now I am following you. so my fstab for mythtv has this currently: UUID=cfa7b50f-a579–430b-830b-e3cdf19ffd48 /var/lib/mythtv ext3 relatime 0 2 |
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| [21:19:23] | mazda01: | so if that UUID hard drive does NOT mount, it going to start saving recordings to the /var/lib/mythtv folder which when that UUID IS NOT MOUNTED, is only 10gb |
| [21:19:34] | wagnerrp: | precisely |
| [21:19:34] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, and you're saying I get around that how? |
| [21:19:45] | wagnerrp: | dont record to the root path of the mount |
| [21:19:51] | wagnerrp: | record to some directory inside that mount |
| [21:20:00] | wagnerrp: | that does not exist on the parent filesystem |
| [21:20:11] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, oh, well I do. my recordings folder is /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [21:20:40] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, so the mythtv folder get's mounted and then and only then does ALL my other myth related folders show up |
| [21:21:07] | skd5aner: | mount the drive, create a directory on TOP of that mount, and make that directory the directory that's in your storage group |
| [21:21:16] | wagnerrp: | i.e. the parent filesystem does not have a /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [21:21:24] | skd5aner: | that way if your drive is not mounted, the directory in the SG will not exist and mythtv will not try to record to it |
| [21:21:25] | wagnerrp: | but the partition you mounted to /var/lib/mythtv has a recordings folder |
| [21:21:29] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, I see what you're saying. so mythtv has some check in place then you're saying? meaning, it would error out because IF that UUID doesn't mount, then it can't write to a non-existant folder located at /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
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| [21:21:50] | wagnerrp: | if a folder in a storage group doesnt exist, it will ignore it, and attempt to record on whatever is left |
| [21:21:56] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner ok, thanks for the little quick pro-tip |
| [21:22:06] | mazda01: | U GUYS ARE AWESOME! |
| [21:22:14] | skd5aner: | yea – it's just a safety measure, but good to do |
| [21:22:32] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner so currently i am all good IF that entire hard drive doesn't mount to /var/lib/mythtv |
| [21:23:11] | wagnerrp: | if the drive doesnt mount, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings will not exist, and mythtv will not try to record to it |
| [21:23:23] | wagnerrp: | it will instead record to your remaining paths defined for that storage group |
| [21:23:41] | mazda01: | aweomse, the guys who developed mythtv were using their heads. |
| [21:23:59] | [R]: | wagnerrp: if you set the perms right, it'll fail to record to the mount point also though |
| [21:24:17] | wagnerrp: | [R]: it will try, and fail, yes |
| [21:24:25] | wagnerrp: | but it will outright fail, as opposed to recording somewhere else |
| [21:24:29] | [R]: | oh really? |
| [21:24:35] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
| [21:24:39] | [R]: | that doestn sound good |
| [21:24:44] | [R]: | it should fail the same way it fails if the dir doenst exist |
| [21:25:32] | mazda01: | [R], i believe its a good thing that it fails completely, don't want to fill my root partition where the OS resides and then freeze the entire system taking down more then just mythtv |
| [21:25:57] | [R]: | mazda01: you shoud'nt have your root partitino in the storage group if you dont want it to use it... |
| [21:26:02] | mazda01: | [R], i'd rather miss a show then have my entire system locked up due to root being 100% full!! |
| [21:26:10] | mazda01: | [R], i don't |
| [21:26:16] | [R]: | than why would myth randomly record to it? |
| [21:26:35] | mazda01: | [R], because of /var/lib/ |
| [21:26:49] | mazda01: | [R], i see where you're going. |
| [21:27:40] | mazda01: | [R], i am good the way it's all setup and really don't wish to argue one point or another or my setup, according to wagnerrp everything is setup the way it can be and still work IF that HDD doesn't mount to /var/lib/mythtv |
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| [21:28:58] | mazda01: | [R], my default Ubuntu install comes with the path /var/lib/ already and its stored on the "root" drive |
| [21:29:08] | mazda01: | [R], which is only 10gb |
| [21:29:10] | [R]: | no |
| [21:29:12] | [R]: | /var/lib/recordings |
| [21:29:15] | [R]: | and who cares what the defualts are |
| [21:29:18] | [R]: | if you dont knw what you are doing |
| [21:29:19] | [R]: | tahts your own fault |
| [21:29:29] | mazda01: | [R], yeap, thank you |
| [21:30:47] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner thanks guys for helping me out! i will add those 2 drives to the default storage group, then move all files from their current 300gb hard drive to the new 1TB drives and keep it local so mythtv doesn't write to the NFS shared unRAID server. THANKS AGAIN |
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| [21:31:21] | skd5aner: | np |
| [21:31:47] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner "all files" meaning ALL 124+ recordings" from the 1 folder in the storage group, to the other folder in the storage group, once moved I can then remove that directory path of /var/lib/recordings correct? |
| [21:32:01] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:32:11] | mazda01: | oops, meant /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [21:32:21] | mazda01: | will be removed from the storage group |
| [21:32:46] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, skd5aner you guys are the best!! if I had money I would literally ship you each a 12 pack of beer |
| [21:33:00] | wagnerrp: | i think thats illegal in most states |
| [21:33:10] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, LOL |
| [21:33:36] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, nah, i was shipped beer from a guy in ireland whos in my xbox live gaming clan |
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| [21:33:55] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, just not cheap for all the stops and proper paperwork |
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| [21:41:52] | mazda01: | bye everyone, going on my first geocache with my step daughter |
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| [22:00:13] | trumee: | mythfrontend in 0.24 doesnt use the romdb database |
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| [22:27:30] | skd5aner: | hmmm, encoding is slow on my machine, 14fps :/ |
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