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| [00:03:41] | Twiggy2cents: | I think opengl as a video renderer is going to work. |
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| [00:04:08] | Twiggy2cents: | I was having tearing issues with it, but setting my video card to prefer max performance over adaptive seems to have fixed it |
| [00:11:48] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: tearing in opengl requires driver config... so, like some sort of "sync to vblank" opengl setting |
| [00:12:04] | Twiggy2cents: | sync to vblank was enabled |
| [00:12:19] | Twiggy2cents: | The only thing I changed was the clock settings |
| [00:12:47] | sphery: | note that there's usually a sync to vblank and an opengl sync to vblank kind of setting |
| [00:13:29] | Twiggy2cents: | The opengl sync to vblank has been enabled the whole time |
| [00:14:36] | Twiggy2cents: | All I know is that it works fine on the same video it was tearing on last night. |
| [00:15:35] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, do you use xchat? |
| [00:17:58] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/26314 has the best description of how different drivers do it |
| [00:18:31] | Twiggy2cents: | 404 error |
| [00:18:39] | sphery: | just thinking that it's quite possible that--unless changing it to performance flipped the switch that will actually affect it--it's not fixed, but just less common |
| [00:18:49] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 51677#451677 |
| [00:18:55] | Twiggy2cents: | heh with a starwars 404 |
| [00:19:03] | sphery: | yeah, stupid github |
| [00:19:10] | sphery: | and, no, not using xchat |
| [00:19:13] | sphery: | irssi for me |
| [00:20:10] | Twiggy2cents: | I installed and tried irssi, but stopped soon due to the fact that I am happy with x-chat. |
| [00:20:39] | iamlindoro: | [26314] |
| [00:20:39] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26314: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f6edbde7 |
| [00:22:17] | Twiggy2cents: | So is it saying that it fails to enable sync to vblank? |
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| [00:22:49] | Twiggy2cents: | I have double checked that both xvideo and opengl sync to v blank(for both screens) are on. They have been on the whole time. |
| [00:22:50] | sphery: | no, it's saying that it's up to you to enable it |
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| [00:23:25] | sphery: | if so, then you shouldn't have tearing |
| [00:23:47] | sphery: | it wouldn't deliver half-new and half-old pictures to the screen |
| [00:24:38] | Twiggy2cents: | Tearing would be when a fast moving object goes across the screen horizontally and there is a line/tear. Right? |
| [00:24:39] | sphery: | but if your changes fixed whatever was wrong, you should be good |
| [00:24:47] | sphery: | you mean combing? |
| [00:25:06] | Twiggy2cents: | I mean, I thought tearing was the correct term but I could be wrong. |
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| [00:26:42] | Twiggy2cents: | it will be a vertical line somewhere around the object as it moves across the screen. |
| [00:26:55] | Twiggy2cents: | I think it is usually in front |
| [00:27:11] | sphery: | vertical line in front of a horizontally moving object? |
| [00:28:03] | sphery: | AIUI, tearing is a horizontal line that demarcates the boundary between a new field/frame on top and old on bottom, like someone tore off the bottom half of the new picture |
| [00:28:22] | sphery: | having a hard time finding representative pictures |
| [00:28:23] | Twiggy2cents: | In side of the object's boundaries |
| [00:29:07] | sphery: | this would be combing: http://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1608952/sdboxing.jpg |
| [00:29:08] | Twiggy2cents: | so say a 3 in tall box moving across the screen, and there will be a 2–3 inch line in front of the box as it is going across |
| [00:30:02] | sphery: | this would be a tear: http://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1842299/tear.jpg |
| [00:30:24] | sphery: | not sure what yours would be--I'd just call it "corruption" for lack of a better term |
| [00:30:27] | Twiggy2cents: | crap, now I cant remember if it was horizontal or vertical |
| [00:30:33] | sphery: | I wonder what the real word would be |
| [00:31:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Hang on, there is a mythtv wiki page on it. |
| [00:31:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Let me find it |
| [00:32:03] | skd5aner: | Twiggy2cents: this one? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frame_display_timing |
| [00:32:05] | Twiggy2cents: | "Choppy Video" is the term in the wiki |
| [00:32:08] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidiaProprietaryD . . . gh_CPU_Usage |
| [00:32:09] | skd5aner: | that I posted like 2 hours ago? |
| [00:32:12] | Twiggy2cents: | That is the one I read |
| [00:32:45] | Twiggy2cents: | I had the same issues before until I enabled use events, so that is the same issue I saw last night that is gone now. |
| [00:33:30] | sphery: | yeah, tearing would be like the pic above (tear.jpg)--and is just part of 2 pictures drawn to screen at the same time |
| [00:33:37] | sphery: | and can't happen if video drivers are properly configured |
| [00:34:31] | sphery: | and, yeah, like that page suggests, having the Composite extension enabled can subvert the video driver settings |
| [00:35:26] | sphery: | and it sounds like it can occur when the gpu falls behind, too, so it may just be that in non-performance mode your gpu couldn't keep up |
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| [00:35:58] | sphery: | I just expected that would result in slideshow of frames versus tearing if you had driver properly configured |
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| [00:36:08] | sphery: | but that page says otherwise |
| [00:37:29] | Twiggy2cents: | I watched it again, it seems like I can see hints of it, but it may be my eyes messing with me. It is definitely better |
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| [00:39:26] | Twiggy2cents: | I have no clue. I changed the powermizer back and it is the same as it is now(which is near perfect) |
| [00:40:27] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess that could be because the two settings are "adaptive" and "max performance" So maybe it was clocked higher this time than last night. |
| [00:41:40] | rdavies: | Does anyone know, if there is a way to change the default format that UPnP delivers to clients? I have alot of music videos, movies etc, and they all get delivered to the client as one huge long list. However they are sorted by folder on the filesystem |
| [00:41:54] | rdavies: | is there a way to get it to show in this folder view |
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| [00:49:38] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [00:49:55] | iamlindoro: | Not without some code changes to the uPnP client-- patches for that would be welcome, however |
| [00:50:00] | iamlindoro: | s/client/server/ |
| [00:55:44] | Beirdo: | Gottta love Ford... they are comparing the Ford Focus to the Honda Civic (ok, fair) and the Toyota Corolla... umm, that should be the Toyota Yaris, people. |
| [00:59:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Hmm would the yaris be closer to the focus or fiesta? |
| [01:00:14] | Twiggy2cents: | I believe it would go yaris=fiesta corolla=focus camry=taurus |
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| [01:01:20] | skd5aner: | I feel like I'm in the southpark episode where all I hear is sh*t=sh*t sh*t=sh*t, etc |
| [01:02:02] | ** wagnerrp agrees ** | |
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| [01:02:26] | wagnerrp: | i had a focus for a loner car when my contour was in the shop |
| [01:02:28] | Twiggy2cents: | shit>chrysler though |
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| [01:02:34] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, what year? |
| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | now a contour is no great shakes, but my god... |
| [01:02:42] | mzb_ is now known as mzb | |
| [01:03:14] | wagnerrp: | i feared for my life, flooring it to the end of the highway onramp, and still only hitting 45mph |
| [01:04:06] | Twiggy2cents: | The new focus is completely redesigned, it is direct injection, and the coolest part is that it has an electronically actuated manual-ish shift transmission. |
| [01:04:21] | Twiggy2cents: | That nets it 1 mpg better than true manual due to human error. |
| [01:04:37] | Twiggy2cents: | It gets 39mpg highway and 30ish in town |
| [01:04:42] | wagnerrp: | the contour was a 5spd stick with 195hp, the loner focus was a 3spd auto that would think about it for a couple seconds when you mashed the gas |
| [01:05:05] | Beirdo: | I think the current Focus is based on the European models (which are successful rally cars) |
| [01:05:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Yes, ford has gotten smart |
| [01:05:17] | wagnerrp: | it sat uncomfortably like a truck, but didnt have the advantage of being high like a truck |
| [01:05:18] | Beirdo: | rather than the turd-boxes they used to be |
| [01:05:29] | Twiggy2cents: | They are taking ideas from sucessful cars |
| [01:05:53] | Beirdo: | but still. I'd rather drive a Toyota |
| [01:06:11] | Beirdo: | or even a Hyundai (shudder... boy have they come a long way from the Pony) |
| [01:06:29] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, if you drove a 2012 focus you would probably change your mind. But I will agree with you that the older body style focus blowed. |
| [01:07:09] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont like big center dashs |
| [01:07:10] | Twiggy2cents: | My list would more than likely go Ford>Toyota>Nissan. |
| [01:07:15] | wagnerrp: | i feel like im driving a van |
| [01:07:32] | Twiggy2cents: | The focus as a whole is a very loud and out there design. |
| [01:07:39] | Twiggy2cents: | That definitely takes some getting used to |
| [01:07:41] | Beirdo: | heh. German... then Japanese... then Korean.. THEN US |
| [01:07:44] | Beirdo: | sorry. :) |
| [01:07:57] | Twiggy2cents: | I wasnt including German, that is too expensive. |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | Italian is up there with German |
| [01:08:18] | Beirdo: | Volkswagens aren't horrifically expensive |
| [01:08:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Although new cars in general are all expensive. Very base model focus is 17k |
| [01:08:22] | Beirdo: | nor are Fiats |
| [01:08:23] | wagnerrp: | korean? i sure hope theyve gotten better over the years |
| [01:08:31] | Twiggy2cents: | 18k for the automatic manual |
| [01:08:32] | Beirdo: | Hyundai has |
| [01:08:36] | wagnerrp: | the alternative to that contour would have been a sonata |
| [01:08:39] | Beirdo: | Kia still has a way to go |
| [01:08:45] | Twiggy2cents: | Fiats are fancy chryslers now |
| [01:08:48] | wagnerrp: | that thing floated like a marshmellow |
| [01:08:58] | wagnerrp: | i felt like i was going to roll the thing going around corners |
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| [01:09:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:09:09] | Twiggy2cents: | so not a good car |
| [01:10:05] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: more like... Chryslers are now Fiats |
| [01:10:32] | Beirdo: | the new Chrysler company is 53.5% owned by Fiat |
| [01:10:35] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: i see no indication that the focus uses an autoclutch |
| [01:12:37] | Twiggy2cents: | I have driven a lot of cars at work. The issues I see are, Chryslers= tacky interior plastics and a little noisy, GM's=Tacky hard plastic interiors in some cars, the damn 3(1,4,5,9)00 engines still have a 4 speed trans, Fords=are nice but are getting expensive and too designer with things like the edge, flex, and the like(there is no need for 22inch wheels on a car, Standard on the 2012 Edge sport), |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | the european versions offer a double clutch on some, but thats still not electronically actuated |
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| [01:12:54] | Twiggy2cents: | Toyota is very dependable and I dont really have anything against them |
| [01:13:02] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, dsp6 trans |
| [01:13:02] | wagnerrp: | its a manual, just designed such that there is no clutch pedal needed |
| [01:13:05] | Twiggy2cents: | That should be the name |
| [01:13:19] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: and they can own up to 70% of Chrysler on exercising all their options over time :) |
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| [01:13:34] | Twiggy2cents: | This is pretty wild, it has twin input shafts and a dual clutch. Everything is electronically controlled. |
| [01:13:36] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | back to some GPU fun |
| [01:14:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Beirdo, I was joking about fiat. Although, they havent really made any significant moves in current production vehicles. |
| [01:14:20] | Twiggy2cents: | s/vehicles/chrysler vehicles |
| [01:14:26] | Beirdo: | hehe. scary... |
| [01:14:26] | wagnerrp: | ah, their double clutch IS the automatic |
| [01:14:34] | Twiggy2cents: | yes |
| [01:14:40] | Twiggy2cents: | They dont really advertise it. |
| [01:14:40] | Beirdo: | so that would almost make a Lada a fake Chrysler now |
| [01:14:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:15:13] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [01:15:29] | Beirdo: | the old boxy Ladas being Fiat knock-offs |
| [01:19:00] | Twiggy2cents: | Ugh, a major thing I have against ford... Their technician website only works with IE. I was going to go into the training material and see if I could snag a picture of the powerflow of the trans but I can get there. |
| [01:19:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:20:16] | Twiggy2cents: | Welp, time for some borderlands. |
| [01:20:24] | skd5aner: | VWs aren't expensive?! lol |
| [01:20:38] | skd5aner: | maybe their entry level cars, but look at the majority of their offerings... not cheap |
| [01:21:16] | Beirdo: | look at the majority of all cars. |
| [01:21:18] | Beirdo: | not cheap |
| [01:21:47] | Beirdo: | now, VW isn't *cheap* like they were in the 80s |
| [01:21:58] | Beirdo: | but they aren't outrageously expensive either |
| [01:22:02] | wagnerrp: | VW makes the most expensive car on the road |
| [01:22:12] | Beirdo: | (compared with other cars) |
| [01:22:20] | Beirdo: | Heh. |
| [01:22:31] | Beirdo: | Fiat would be giving them a run for the money on that |
| [01:22:40] | Beirdo: | being the parent company of Ferrari |
| [01:22:47] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [01:22:47] | wagnerrp: | no... not even close |
| [01:23:20] | Beirdo: | VW as a company does own a lot though, which one are you referring to specifically? :) |
| [01:23:45] | wagnerrp: | a ferrari might knock you back a couple hundred, their high end one is closing in on a million |
| [01:23:57] | wagnerrp: | a veyron runs 2M+ |
| [01:24:05] | wagnerrp: | and VW sells them for about half their production cost |
| [01:24:44] | Beirdo: | ah yes. the Bugatti |
| [01:25:01] | Beirdo: | the Italian car from a German conglomerate :) |
| [01:25:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:25:09] | Twiggy2cents: | I see your veyron and raise you one Excellero |
| [01:25:10] | Twiggy2cents: | http://hypebeast.com/2011/05/maybach-exelero/ |
| [01:25:19] | Twiggy2cents: | 8M USD |
| [01:25:20] | skd5aner: | ugh... upgraded ImgBurn and instead of going straight an 8x read rate, it goes to about 3.5x, then takes 10 mins to slowly get up to 7.6x :/ |
| [01:25:41] | iamlindoro: | Obligatory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJmB1F2mdE |
| [01:26:19] | wagnerrp: | i think its a lambo! |
| [01:26:42] | Beirdo: | mind you, the difference between VW corporate and Volkswagan brand... |
| [01:26:52] | wagnerrp: | there's speculation that was insurance fraud |
| [01:27:24] | wagnerrp: | "a bird flew up and blinded him" |
| [01:28:03] | wagnerrp: | $8M eh? |
| [01:28:26] | wagnerrp: | can i alter my claim to most expensive production car? |
| [01:28:39] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: the Exceleron isn't a production car |
| [01:29:10] | Beirdo: | Excelero rather |
| [01:29:15] | Beirdo: | stupid brain |
| [01:29:26] | wagnerrp: | you should punch it |
| [01:29:28] | Beirdo: | one-off prototype from what I see |
| [01:29:48] | Beirdo: | whereas the Veyron IS a production car (barely) :) |
| [01:30:45] | Beirdo: | also the fastest production car |
| [01:30:53] | Beirdo: | (road-legal that is) |
| [01:31:05] | Beirdo: | 408km/h?! Jeeez |
| [01:31:29] | Beirdo: | 253.52mph for the metric-challenged |
| [01:31:31] | wagnerrp: | its not the fastest |
| [01:31:50] | Beirdo: | the super-sport is |
| [01:31:56] | Beirdo: | 431km/h |
| [01:32:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, well maybe |
| [01:32:08] | Beirdo: | (according to wikipedia) :) |
| [01:32:18] | Beirdo: | the original is 408 |
| [01:32:27] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was some other company, starts with a K |
| [01:32:28] | Beirdo: | like we really need anything that fast :) |
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| [01:32:55] | wagnerrp: | Finnish i think |
| [01:34:37] | Beirdo: | hahah, and the top speed was set (briefly) by James May |
| [01:35:02] | Beirdo: | and then officially and properly set by Bugatti test drivers same day... at Top Gear. |
| [01:35:38] | Beirdo: | Captain Slow hit 417km/h one way |
| [01:35:55] | Beirdo: | the test driver hit 431km/h average two-way |
| [01:37:05] | Beirdo: | ridiculous. |
| [01:37:18] | Beirdo: | anyways... back to the fun |
| [01:38:04] | Beirdo: | gotta get this thing not to segfault on startup 3/4 times |
| [01:38:18] | Beirdo: | I think it's a QString issue |
| [01:38:36] | Beirdo: | I'll get to it |
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| [01:41:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: likely Konigsegg from Sweden? |
| [01:41:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the one im thinking of |
| [01:41:52] | Beirdo: | with umlaut on the o |
| [01:43:01] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [01:43:18] | Beirdo: | During its review of the CCX, BBC television program Top Gear reported that the Koenigsegg CCR holds the fastest speeding ticket in the United States, which was supposedly for 242 mph (389 km/h) in a 75 mph (121 km/h) zone |
| [01:43:47] | Beirdo: | so obviously that car is in the running for the top speed :) |
| [01:44:04] | Beirdo: | that's a go directly to jail speeding stop, I'm sure |
| [01:44:44] | Beirdo: | The Koenigsegg CCR is a mid-engined sports car manufactured by Koenigsegg. It briefly held the world speed record for a production car and is currently the fourth fastest production car in the world, behind the Bugatti Veyron, SSC Ultimate Aero and the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport. |
| [01:44:49] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [01:45:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had thought it was faster than the stock one |
| [01:46:14] | Beirdo: | betcha it was real close |
| [01:49:39] | Beirdo: | although, if you go by resale value, by far the most expensive car is the Ferrari 250 Testarossa |
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| [01:50:01] | Beirdo: | $16.4M for a 1957 one this August |
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| [02:20:23] | iamlindoro: | Hahahaah |
| [02:20:36] | iamlindoro: | apparently Sage TV decides to remove recordings if it decides the file has become corrupted |
| [02:20:46] | iamlindoro: | which can happen if you run a defrag while it's watching |
| [02:24:37] | Beirdo: | ick |
| [02:24:59] | Beirdo: | personally, I'd rather see 90% of a glitchy file than miss the show entirely |
| [02:25:01] | skd5aner: | is the bd-live stuff essential disabled in mythtv (bd libraries)? |
| [02:25:02] | Beirdo: | but maybe that's just me |
| [02:25:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: It's disabled in that it doesn't exist |
| [02:25:20] | skd5aner: | yea – that's what I figured |
| [02:25:40] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: wondering if I should check off th "disable bd-live" option in AnyDVD |
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| [02:48:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it happened again |
| [02:48:33] | wagnerrp: | Fox crapped out exactly 36 minutes into the recording |
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| [02:56:42] | Beirdo: | Fox-- |
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| [03:01:10] | wagnerrp: | oop, scratch that |
| [03:01:20] | wagnerrp: | i had refreshed the smb share |
| [03:01:23] | wagnerrp: | but it never actually did so |
| [03:01:30] | wagnerrp: | so i was still looking at last night's failed recording |
| [03:01:37] | wagnerrp: | there is no fringe tonight to fail |
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| [03:05:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [05:16:56] | sphery: | ooh, good thing--wouldn't want to miss fringe |
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| [05:18:39] | wagnerrp: | markt doesnt seem to understand that running master isnt supposed to be painless |
| [05:19:03] | wagnerrp: | youre expected to put forth some effort, and be intelligent about things |
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| [05:26:17] | iamlindoro: | It would also be nice to see a little effort to help out from users from time to time |
| [05:30:14] | wagnerrp: | i have to wonder how many people are actually using that script, and making their own ebuilds from time to time |
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| [06:01:11] | Beirdo: | GLib-ERROR **: Cannot create pipe main loop wake-up: Too many open files |
| [06:01:21] | Beirdo: | now THERE's something I've never seen before |
| [06:01:27] | Beirdo: | backend just ate it |
| [06:01:51] | wagnerrp: | well you dont have to be so glib about it |
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| [06:02:03] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:02:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:02:26] | [R]: | so i have a nook color... i dunno what to do with it :( |
| [06:02:57] | wagnerrp: | mount it on the wall, write a control app for home automation |
| [06:03:08] | [R]: | but what am i going to automate? |
| [06:03:41] | wagnerrp: | your home, what else? |
| [06:03:48] | [R]: | i have nothing automatable in my house |
| [06:05:00] | Beirdo: | read books on it |
| [06:05:03] | Beirdo: | what a concept |
| [06:05:13] | wagnerrp: | nah, screen sucks for that |
| [06:05:20] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't |
| [06:05:27] | [R]: | read... book... ? |
| [06:05:31] | wagnerrp: | backlighting FTL |
| [06:05:35] | Beirdo: | it's not as nice as the black & white kindle, sure |
| [06:05:41] | Beirdo: | but it works just fine |
| [06:05:51] | [R]: | i have charlie and the great glass elevator |
| [06:05:53] | [R]: | but tahts about it |
| [06:05:53] | Beirdo: | I bought one the first week it was out |
| [06:06:12] | Beirdo: | and rooted it to a plain Android like 3 days later |
| [06:06:27] | Beirdo: | and just NOW they are selling them with full android on them |
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| [06:10:02] | iamlindoro: | I am tempted to ask for a Kindle Fire for Christmas and play with the SDK |
| [06:10:15] | iamlindoro: | Though I think the SDK might not really be available on any platform I own |
| [06:10:20] | Beirdo: | it's Android too, no? |
| [06:10:33] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [06:10:44] | iamlindoro: | it would need jailbreaking |
| [06:10:50] | iamlindoro: | since it's not "normal" android |
| [06:10:52] | Beirdo: | Android SDK should be available for Linux. |
| [06:10:59] | Beirdo: | yeah, similar to the Nook Color. |
| [06:11:09] | Beirdo: | now it's "normal"-ish |
| [06:11:30] | iamlindoro: | part of the reason I'm hesitant to think about porting the Companion app |
| [06:11:37] | iamlindoro: | Android fractured and messy |
| [06:12:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, I haven't looked into just how bad it is |
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| [06:12:40] | Beirdo: | in theory, it shouldn't be hard to write for many devices, but I haven't seen the borkage :) |
| [06:13:29] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure that there's a theory that you can write *effectively* for many devices |
| [06:13:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:13:42] | iamlindoro: | when every Android tablet is a different OS version, with different limitations, at different resolutions |
| [06:13:57] | Beirdo: | well, Angry birds managed to do the multi-resolution well |
| [06:14:19] | Beirdo: | so it's gotta be possible on that side. Maybe not easy though |
| [06:14:19] | iamlindoro: | I can at least be pretty confident that my app will run on any iPad, including any iOS >= 4 |
| [06:14:55] | Beirdo: | Angry Birds on a Motorola Xoom is a lot of fun :) |
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| [06:15:06] | iamlindoro: | on the android side.. I'm not as sure. Evidently "Ice Cream Sandwich" (stupid name) is the only one with effective HTTP Live Streaming support, so that's at least a baseline |
| [06:15:15] | Beirdo: | hmm |
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| [06:15:22] | iamlindoro: | But then, I am pretty sure most of the tablets aren't running that version, either |
| [06:15:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's a pretty new one |
| [06:15:50] | iamlindoro: | So what to do-- eliminate streaming entirely on those versions? Sort of kills a big part of the fun |
| [06:15:59] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the headache of Java |
| [06:16:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:16:07] | Beirdo: | I hear ya |
| [06:16:25] | iamlindoro: | http://iphonedevelopment.blogspot.com/2010/03 . . . veloper.html is a pretty good article comparing the two |
| [06:16:26] | Beirdo: | I still would love to see it on Android, but I definitely hear ya |
| [06:17:00] | iamlindoro: | I have somewhat resolved to charge $2 or so for the iOS app-- if there's enough business to pay off the iOS dev costs, and to afford an Android app on top, I'm thinking to port |
| [06:17:13] | iamlindoro: | s/Android app/Android tablet/ |
| [06:17:41] | iamlindoro: | 50% of my decision to charge a couple of bugcks is to see the outraged freetard reactions ;) |
| [06:17:57] | wagnerrp: | to port? i thought you always turned to starboard at the bottom half of the development cycle? |
| [06:18:14] | iamlindoro: | I.... can't turn left |
| [06:18:29] | Beirdo: | You need NASCAR lessons, obviously |
| [06:19:09] | iamlindoro: | I can think of few things I need less |
| [06:19:25] | Beirdo: | hehe, but at least then you'd be able to turn left |
| [06:19:38] | iamlindoro: | it's a Zoolander quote ;) |
| [06:19:51] | Beirdo: | I do recall that movie.. a bit. |
| [06:20:09] | ectospasm: | Ben Stiller? No thank you. |
| [06:20:09] | Beirdo: | I enjoyed it immensely at the time, but I was quite drunk |
| [06:20:27] | ectospasm: | He practically ruined Tropic Thunder. |
| [06:20:38] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [06:20:41] | ectospasm: | ...prolly because he directed it. |
| [06:20:44] | iamlindoro: | heh: "Designing views in the Android SDK is one of the areas that I can say without equivocation is worse than the iPhone in every single respect. Android's approach to creating views has absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever. Designing your interface on the iPhone is easy. It's fun. It's intuitive. On Android, it's f**king hell." |
| [06:20:47] | Beirdo: | that movie was ruined from the get-go |
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| [06:23:47] | Beirdo: | OK, now I'm telling this to save only frames at detected scene changes |
| [06:24:39] | Beirdo: | and in png rather than ppm :) |
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| [06:39:37] | Beirdo: | still spewing enough that it's at 13fps |
| [06:39:51] | Beirdo: | it was 1fps with dumping every frame (or lower) |
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| [08:45:19] | Beirdo: | wow |
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| [08:46:05] | Beirdo: | every scene change caught has been a real one so far |
| [08:46:41] | wagnerrp: | better or comparable reliability to the existing detector? |
| [08:47:30] | wagnerrp: | are you doing fade to black detection? or just significant full frame variation? |
| [08:50:24] | Beirdo: | full frame, I also have blank frame detection |
| [08:50:24] | wagnerrp: | just curious as to whether its potentially something useful to the brits |
| [08:50:34] | Beirdo: | I expect so |
| [08:50:45] | wagnerrp: | blank frame doesnt help them, but scene changes would |
| [08:50:50] | Beirdo: | I have stuart the m collecting me some recordings to test against |
| [08:51:19] | wagnerrp: | of course determining a scene change within a single show, from one changing to a commercial, will be a bit more difficult |
| [08:51:39] | Beirdo: | and if people are listening... if you are out of the USA/Canada region, and commflagging doesn't work well for you (or even does)... |
| [08:51:54] | Beirdo: | if you are interested in having it work better, please come talk to me |
| [08:51:55] | wagnerrp: | gives a precise location at which to cut |
| [08:52:09] | Beirdo: | well, yeah, that's harder |
| [08:52:20] | Beirdo: | one thing to help there is the audio |
| [08:53:05] | Beirdo: | if there's significant audio during the change, it's likely not a show->commercial or commercial->show transition |
| [08:53:39] | wagnerrp: | i guess you could do things like scene changes exactly 30/60 seconds apart denote a commercial |
| [08:54:04] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know how well that standard holds outside NA |
| [08:54:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, all of the above will be considered :) |
| [08:54:36] | Beirdo: | fun stuff |
| [08:55:11] | Beirdo: | this detection is using a color histogram (all colors are binned into 64 bins based on top 2 bits of each of RGB) |
| [08:55:27] | Beirdo: | then I cross correlate subsequent frames |
| [08:55:46] | Beirdo: | and then differentiate the cross correlation value at 0 delay... |
| [08:56:06] | wagnerrp: | my foreign tv experience is limited to a bit of Italian Simpsons playing in a gift shop outside Naples |
| [08:56:08] | Beirdo: | if it peaks up or down above a threshhold, it's considered a scene change |
| [08:56:49] | Beirdo: | and this happens at a *very* high speed as it's all in the GPU |
| [08:56:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:57:04] | wagnerrp: | BANNINATED! |
| [08:57:08] | Beirdo: | of course, I've been dumping frames and stats from most frames |
| [08:57:34] | Beirdo: | and the read-back from the GPU is not terribly fast to have to do so often |
| [08:57:44] | wagnerrp: | i really need to implement IP filtering in this spam thing |
| [08:57:51] | wagnerrp: | they keep seeping through |
| [08:58:11] | Beirdo: | heh, that they do |
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| [08:59:27] | Beirdo: | not sure if I'm missing some though, although I don't care much during the show itself |
| [09:00:17] | wagnerrp: | actually, i think ive got it |
| [09:00:35] | Beirdo: | pan/zoom does tend to stay under the threshold, which is really cool |
| [09:00:36] | wagnerrp: | block anyone whose email server uses the 'netart.pl' name servers |
| [09:01:22] | Beirdo: | current test recording is Scrubs... letterboxed and upsampled to 1080i |
| [09:01:49] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if theres a convenient php library for digging through DNS records |
| [09:02:00] | Beirdo: | I'd expect so |
| [09:04:47] | wagnerrp: | well, something to implement tomorrow |
| [09:04:49] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed |
| [09:04:55] | Beirdo: | night :) |
| [09:05:07] | Beirdo: | tomorrow for me will be letterbox detection, I think |
| [09:05:21] | Beirdo: | unless I get a bit more inspired tonight |
| [09:05:23] | wagnerrp: | should be fairly simple |
| [09:05:26] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [09:05:45] | wagnerrp: | just a huge chunk with no variance |
| [09:06:05] | Beirdo: | it's more histogram-like stuff, and always top/bottom/left/right |
| [09:06:14] | Beirdo: | and always black (or nearly black) |
| [09:06:41] | Beirdo: | easily parallelized |
| [09:10:06] | Beirdo: | and I want to do it before doing the blank frame and histogram |
| [09:10:45] | Beirdo: | and aspect ratio changes also indicate possible commercial transitions |
| [09:11:40] | Beirdo: | oh, and the logo detection needs a bit of work still :) |
| [09:20:06] | clever: | ive noticed that the logo sometimes break aspect ratio detection, due to the logo being within the black bars |
| [09:20:46] | Beirdo: | figuring I haven't even coded the aspect ratio code yet.... |
| [09:20:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:21:02] | clever: | i mean the playback ratio detection |
| [09:21:04] | clever: | to auto-zoom |
| [09:21:08] | Beirdo: | the old stuff will be abandonen as soon as this is working. |
| [09:21:09] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [09:21:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, to be expected |
| [09:21:18] | clever: | the logo causes it to un-zoom and show the bars |
| [09:22:14] | clever: | if you found a mask for the logo, you could down-rate the points for those pixels in aspect ratio stuff |
| [09:22:37] | Beirdo: | not gonna touch the playback stuff |
| [09:23:14] | clever: | just thinking that it may be usefull to store the location/shape of the logo and when its present |
| [09:23:36] | dekarl: | clever: the logos are going to be all over the place depending on the channel and event... |
| [09:23:51] | Beirdo: | yup, but always in certain zones |
| [09:24:04] | clever: | except when an ad comes up and covers the bottom 20% of the screen |
| [09:24:06] | Beirdo: | at least here |
| [09:24:13] | clever: | including the part the tv show is talking about |
| [09:24:13] | Beirdo: | pfft |
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| [13:33:38] | Quetzalcoatlus: | hello all |
| [13:36:31] | Quetzalcoatlus: | i just run configure in my mythtv (0.24) setup to scan for freesat channels using uk radio time xmltv and i have noted that some freesat channels were no picked up like horror channel etc. i recently reinstall my debian box, so using xmltv instead of EIT |
| [13:45:17] | Quetzalcoatlus: | don't worry, i will simply add in the missing channel manually. this is only a temporary solution 'till i fix it later. bye all. |
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| [16:34:48] | allesmueller: | hi – I have a question about power search: How could I exclude encrypted channels? |
| [16:35:37] | allesmueller: | there is a table entry channelscan_channel.is_encrypted but how to use this one? |
| [16:36:14] | [R]: | just include that in the search criteria |
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| [16:37:53] | allesmueller: | program.title like "%wasauchimmer%" AND channelscan_channel.is_encrypted = "0" |
| [16:38:04] | allesmueller: | that throws an error |
| [16:38:05] | [R]: | well i doubt that is a string field |
| [16:38:32] | allesmueller: | as you say it ... I´ll try |
| [16:39:09] | allesmueller: | Unknown column 'channelscan_channel.is_encrypted' in 'where clause' [#1054] |
| [16:40:01] | [R]: | actually, looing at the table name |
| [16:40:07] | [R]: | tahts probaly not a table its going to be using in the search |
| [16:40:11] | [R]: | because tahts not used at all |
| [16:40:16] | [R]: | thats just a history of your channel scans |
| [16:41:03] | allesmueller: | ok, that would explain it – but do you know an alternative to exclude encrypted channels? |
| [16:41:40] | [R]: | i dont think that gets recorded anywhere |
| [16:41:50] | [R]: | because its a property that gets known while tuning |
| [16:42:34] | allesmueller: | sure and encryption could theoretical change during the day |
| [16:43:07] | allesmueller: | Ok, I´ll make those channels invisible – then it should also work |
| [16:43:09] | skd5aner: | theoretically, but in practice does it? |
| [16:43:35] | skd5aner: | allesmueller: that's what I do... hide any channel that you can't tune at all, why even have it factored in at all if you'll never be able to use it |
| [16:44:07] | allesmueller: | skd5aner, I remember in past I saw some ads while movies where encrypted |
| [16:44:21] | skd5aner: | heh – that's crazy |
| [16:44:35] | skd5aner: | who would watch a channel where the only thing not encrypted are the ads |
| [16:44:36] | allesmueller: | skd5aner, sometimes I would like to know what I miss :D |
| [16:44:46] | allesmueller: | skd5aner, from EPG |
| [16:45:15] | [R]: | rofl |
| [16:45:25] | allesmueller: | :D |
| [16:45:31] | [R]: | i get a crap ton of channels |
| [16:45:37] | [R]: | and i delete all the garbabge |
| [16:45:49] | allesmueller: | well I have not _all_ in |
| [16:46:01] | skd5aner: | same, in fact in my situation, I turn a lot of them off in schedules direct so I don't even get them sent to me at all |
| [16:46:25] | skd5aner: | although it sounds like allesmueller is probably not an north american users, I'm guessing |
| [16:46:55] | [R]: | i have 68 channels in my list |
| [16:46:55] | allesmueller: | skd5aner, right europe – austria to be precise |
| [16:46:58] | [R]: | and i get like ~200 |
| [16:47:53] | allesmueller: | I wish it were only 200 – there´s a lot more on satellite but most encrypted |
| [16:48:15] | [R]: | and thats why you only add the channels you get and care about to your cahnen llist |
| [16:48:16] | allesmueller: | after a rescan always a lot of work to throw them out |
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| [16:50:52] | skd5aner: | That's why hiding them works well |
| [16:50:58] | skd5aner: | if you remove them, they'll get readded |
| [16:52:47] | allesmueller: | sure, I just hide them too, but there´s always some movement on satellite channels back and forth |
| [16:53:36] | allesmueller: | 967 channels B-) |
| [16:53:50] | allesmueller: | count(*) from channel; |
| [17:00:20] | dekarl: | once the bugs are out you can just "scan for tv channels that are FTA or decryptable" and then make all the crap channels invisible once |
| [17:01:22] | dekarl: | hmm, does the channel visibilty get reset when rescanning? I dont remember |
| [17:01:25] | allesmueller: | dekarl, that sounds nice |
| [17:02:34] | dekarl: | allesmueller: btw, scanning for TV channels and testing for decryptability should already work |
| [17:02:41] | allesmueller: | dekarl, I don´t think so – but on satellite there are always a lot of channels removed and added again and the new ones get in visible I think |
| [17:03:23] | allesmueller: | ah, I didn´t notice last time (even if running on trunk) |
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| [18:05:03] | taanders: | anybody have any experience using an IOmega NAS as part of their storage group? I moved a recording over manually and was able to watch it but couldn't delete the file via the frontend and it wouldn't record to it. |
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| [18:14:16] | wagnerrp: | do you not have write access to the NAS? |
| [18:14:46] | taanders: | if I didn't have write access, I couldn't have copied a recording there |
| [18:14:57] | wagnerrp: | sure you could have |
| [18:15:07] | wagnerrp: | YOU could have, as opposed to the user mythbackend operates as |
| [18:15:54] | taanders: | I'm a bad boy....run mythbackend as root |
| [18:16:03] | taanders: | let me try copying something to it as root |
| [18:16:09] | wagnerrp: | might not matter depending on the way its mounted |
| [18:16:13] | wagnerrp: | NFS or CIFS? |
| [18:16:23] | taanders: | CIFS |
| [18:16:35] | wagnerrp: | CIFS can lock access to a single user |
| [18:16:40] | wagnerrp: | preventing even root from accessing it |
| [18:16:45] | wagnerrp: | why not NFS? |
| [18:17:29] | taanders: | doesn't support it |
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| [18:18:10] | wagnerrp: | so this is just a single drive unit, not a storcenter? |
| [18:18:54] | taanders: | was able to copy just fine as root |
| [18:19:28] | taanders: | home media network hard drive cloud edition |
| [18:20:00] | wagnerrp: | why not just keep the drive in your backend? |
| [18:20:24] | taanders: | machine doesn't support SATA |
| [18:20:45] | wagnerrp: | get a new one? |
| [18:20:58] | wagnerrp: | the desktop i built back in... like... 2004 had SATA |
| [18:21:10] | taanders: | I want the NAS to do double-duty |
| [18:21:26] | taanders: | it serves as pictures/movie server for some windows hosts |
| [18:21:43] | wagnerrp: | the single-drive NAS isnt anything particularly fancy, the backend can do those duties with Samba |
| [18:21:49] | sphery: | wanna post a backend log file showing the errors to pastebin, please? |
| [18:22:27] | tank-man: | log files are a last resort :) |
| [18:22:53] | sphery: | (though I agree having the storage directly in mythbackend host is a nicer design--eliminates a potential point of failure for network outage/glitch or NAS outage or ...) |
| [18:23:34] | taanders: | let me see if I can find an old log where I tried this |
| [18:23:36] | sphery: | only benefit to keeping it separate from the mythbackend is if you plan to shut down your mythbackend and you want the pictures still available to other hosts when mythbackend host is powered off |
| [18:23:55] | sphery: | why not create a new log so you know it's showing us the right errors |
| [18:24:10] | sphery: | i.e. then we can help diagnose issues with your current config :) |
| [18:25:11] | taanders: | guess I can try it again |
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| [18:41:22] | taanders: | it is hard to get it to use that drive due to the priority list |
| [18:41:43] | taanders: | started 4 recordings and it finally decided to put one on the NAS |
| [18:41:48] | sphery: | well, if you have an old log, that's better than nothing |
| [18:42:09] | taanders: | so far so good this time |
| [18:42:11] | sphery: | but if you have a proper setup, you could just unmount any other file systems on other drives |
| [18:42:53] | sphery: | (where proper setup means that you /only/ use subdirectories of the file system roots... i.e. if you mount your NAS file system at /mount/NAS/, then you would put /mount/NAS/recordings/ in your storage group directory list) |
| [18:43:30] | sphery: | if you don't do it that way, when there's an unmounted file system, the /mount/NAS directory (mount point) would still exist and mythtv would just write to it--meaning it could fill up the parent file system |
| [18:44:08] | taanders: | good tip thanks |
| [18:44:33] | sphery: | so if you didn't do it that way, you could just delete the other directories from the storage group directory list, then test, then move the recordings to a proper subdir, then add the new/proper directories to the storage group :) |
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| [18:46:21] | taanders: | let me try to delete the recordings that I started and see what happens |
| [18:47:09] | taanders: | yep...there's a problem |
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| [18:47:39] | taanders: | try to delete the show recorded there and it goes away from the frontend list but then comes back the next time you press a key |
| [18:47:51] | taanders: | let me get the backend log |
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| [18:49:00] | taanders: | 2011-12–03 10:47:01.241 Error deleting '/content/iomega/2121_20111203103700.mpg' |
| [18:49:01] | taanders: | could not unlink |
| [18:49:02] | Oleg_: | so, XBMC serves the same purpose as MythTV's frontend? |
| [18:49:02] | taanders: | eno: Text file busy (26) |
| [18:49:04] | taanders: | 2011-12–03 10:47:01.322 Delete Error '/content/iomega/2121_20111203103700.mpg' |
| [18:49:06] | taanders: | eno: Text file busy (26) |
| [18:49:07] | taanders: | 2011-12–03 10:47:01.381 Error deleting file: /content/iomega/2121_20111203103700 |
| [18:49:09] | taanders: | .mpg. Keeping metadata in database. |
| [18:49:18] | wagnerrp: | well no, not exactly |
| [18:49:19] | sphery: | ah, that's because someone has the file in use |
| [18:49:33] | sphery: | i.e. windows-like file locking |
| [18:49:44] | wagnerrp: | XBMC has a plugin to access content in mythtv |
| [18:49:56] | wagnerrp: | but its not nearly so full featured and maintained as the official frontend |
| [18:50:41] | Oleg_: | you mean, XBMC is not as full featured as MythTV's frontend? |
| [18:51:07] | wagnerrp: | in respect to interfacing with mythtv, yes |
| [18:51:22] | taanders: | yeah...I mean just reading it is obvious that it thinks someone is using the file |
| [18:51:23] | taanders: | but who? |
| [18:51:46] | wagnerrp: | taanders: one of may pitfalls to using external storage and CIFS |
| [18:51:51] | sphery: | yes |
| [18:51:52] | wagnerrp: | s/may/many/ |
| [18:52:22] | taanders: | yeah...I know this isn't ideal and it is critical I get it to work but it is a "nice to have" |
| [18:52:26] | taanders: | errr |
| [18:52:32] | taanders: | s/is/isn't |
| [18:52:50] | taanders: | lol...that wouldn't work either |
| [18:53:01] | taanders: | anyway...you get my drift...would be nice but it isn't critical |
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| [18:56:44] | sphery: | taanders: anyway... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/483489#483489 |
| [18:56:53] | sphery: | taanders: likely you can avoid the problem by disabling slow deletes |
| [18:57:39] | sphery: | though best bet is to use local storage managed by your mythbackend |
| [18:58:35] | sphery: | seems that Mike guy was on to something, "That means the user can probably prevent the problem by simply re-disabling the (defaults to off) "Delete files slowly" setting so that his backend host's CIFS (client) file system driver doesn't try to do something his CIFS server can't handle. That said, I think a better idea is to not use CIFS/SMB, but..." |
| [18:59:56] | sphery: | also, if you haven't enabled "Delete files slowly", see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/483564#483564 |
| [19:04:30] | Hans1974: | Hi all, I'm new on Linux. Just get an old PC ready and installad Mythbuntu 11.10 as backend. My TV card is a Hauppauge Wintv-HVR-1300. I searched the whole day for getting it working, found some additional modifications and drivers to download, tried them all but still not working. Anyone using the same capturing card? I can start from scratch... Thankx for helping, Hans. |
| [19:05:03] | wagnerrp: | 11.10 means a modern kernel, and modern kernels mean up to date driver sets |
| [19:05:14] | wagnerrp: | that card should automatically "just work" |
| [19:05:33] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter<n>? |
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| [19:06:15] | taanders: | thanks for the help sphery...the delete files slowly disabling worked |
| [19:07:36] | taanders: | although perhaps it would be better if that were a per-file system option instead of a global |
| [19:07:39] | wagnerrp: | Hans1974: from the linuxtv wiki... "MythTV cannot scan DVB-T channels with this card at all. MythTV developers claim this is a driver bug." |
| [19:08:02] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-1300 issue got fixed. |
| [19:08:16] | devinheitmueller: | (it was an issue with closing/opening the card too fast) |
| [19:08:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, at some point in the 3.x kernel line |
| [19:08:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont know specifically what kernel version 11.10 uses off hand |
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| [19:08:35] | Hans1974: | Yes I found it too that is is fixed. But the fix is not in the current version. |
| [19:08:51] | devinheitmueller: | I fixed it in 3.1 |
| [19:09:07] | devinheitmueller: | 46 of 256 |
| [19:09:08] | devinheitmueller: | |
| [19:09:08] | devinheitmueller: | [git:v4l-dvb/for_v3.1] [media] dvb_frontend: fix race condition in stopping/starting frontend |
| [19:09:37] | Hans1974: | I found some update of a .c file. But I don' know how to get it compiled... (I'm new on Linux systems) |
| [19:09:59] | devinheitmueller: | ubuntu 11.10 has kernel 3.0. |
| [19:10:04] | devinheitmueller: | (according to a quick google search) |
| [19:10:46] | devinheitmueller: | Hans1974: if you're not comfortable recompiling drivers, then your best bet is to wait for your distribution to update to a newer kernel. |
| [19:11:03] | devinheitmueller: | (in the meantime, you can install the Ubuntu 12.0 beta) |
| [19:11:04] | sphery: | and much better than patching individual drivers or kernel out side the package system would be using the packaged kernels--which, IIRC, you can enable use of new ones on *buntu |
| [19:12:03] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: this was a fix to DVB core, so even if individual drivers were packaged it wouldn't help him. |
| [19:12:22] | Hans1974: | Any idea when the update with the fix inside is published? |
| [19:12:39] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: updating his whole kernel would, right? |
| [19:12:52] | devinheitmueller: | Hans1974: Ubuntu isn't providing an update just for this issue. You would have to wait for the next major release of Ubuntu. |
| [19:12:55] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Of course. |
| [19:12:55] | sphery: | he was saying he has a patch for a .c file, so I was assuming he was talking about rebuilding a driver or kernel |
| [19:13:02] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: or he can install the current media_build tree. |
| [19:13:38] | devinheitmueller: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obta . . . vice_Drivers |
| [19:13:48] | devinheitmueller: | E.g.: |
| [19:13:49] | devinheitmueller: | git clone git://linuxtv.org/media_build.git |
| [19:13:49] | devinheitmueller: | cd media_build |
| [19:13:49] | devinheitmueller: | ./build |
| [19:14:03] | sphery: | yeah, but what I'm saying is that *buntu has a nice easy way to do this /and/ still use the package manager that protects users from themselves |
| [19:14:10] | sphery: | he should do that |
| [19:14:18] | Hans1974: | I downloaded this linuxtv.org and build it as described on the site, but it's still not working. |
| [19:14:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I cannot speak to how Ubuntu does things. |
| [19:14:27] | sphery: | Hans1974: #ubuntu or #mythbuntu would have more info on how to do it the *buntu way |
| [19:15:13] | devinheitmueller: | I made the upstream fix. How the different distributions package the various kernels is outside of the scope of things I care about. :-) |
| [19:15:33] | sphery: | yeah, I have no idea how *buntu does it |
| [19:15:47] | sphery: | I can link random pages I find on Google, but I don't know the "approved solution" |
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| [19:17:23] | devinheitmueller: | bbl |
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| [19:22:20] | Hans1974: | @devinheitmueller. Is the fix included in the media_build.git ? I tried so many things today, maybe I can start again with a clean mythbunto install and then do the media_build.git install. |
| [19:23:17] | sphery: | Hans1974: I highly recommend you start with a clean install, then ask in #ubuntu or #mythbuntu how to upgrade 11.10 to the 3.1 kernel |
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| [19:23:30] | sphery: | they know how you're /supposed/ to do things on *buntu |
| [19:23:58] | sphery: | I know of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds |
| [19:24:08] | sphery: | but I don't konw if that's what you're supposed to do |
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| [19:25:04] | Hans1974: | OK, I'll start reinstall and search for getting the 3.1 kernel inside. Thanks for the help... |
| [19:25:36] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [19:48:21] | Hans1974: | Does I have to do the 'http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obta . . . ice_Drivers' on Mythbuntu 11.10 or is this already included? |
| [19:48:46] | wagnerrp: | those drivers are continually merged into the mainline kernel |
| [19:49:01] | wagnerrp: | you only ever need to do that if you are trying to use some fix not yet merged |
| [19:49:27] | wagnerrp: | however as devin mentioned, the fix has been merged upstream, so unless there is good reason not to, the best option would likely be to switch to the 3.1 kernel branch |
| [19:49:41] | wagnerrp: | the ubuntu/mythbuntu people would know best how to do that |
| [19:49:51] | wagnerrp: | since every distro does things differently |
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| [19:51:34] | Hans1974: | @warnerrp: So it's not needed to do that anymore. Just get the kernel updated. Thanks for the info. |
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| [21:00:17] | MylesMan: | in the general video settings page do i use a colon or semi-colon to separate multiple dirs? |
| [21:00:35] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [21:00:52] | wagnerrp: | you leave it blank, open up mythtv-setup, and add the multiple directories to the Videos storage group |
| [21:01:08] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [21:05:24] | MylesMan: | will it auto-drill to the subdirs or do i need to be specific? |
| [21:05:50] | wagnerrp: | it will scan as deep as those directories go |
| [21:05:58] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [21:06:00] | wagnerrp: | which also means you cannot have recursive loops in your filesystem |
| [21:06:01] | MylesMan: | thx |
| [21:06:13] | MylesMan: | o.O? |
| [21:06:51] | wagnerrp: | no symlinks to directories above themselves |
| [21:07:45] | MylesMan: | oh |
| [21:09:36] | clever: | http://www.xkcd.com/981/ dont do this either! |
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| [21:09:46] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [21:10:28] | mattwj2002: | is it just me or has the price of hard drives went up recently? |
| [21:10:36] | wagnerrp: | its just you |
| [21:10:46] | mattwj2002: | no I don't think it is |
| [21:10:52] | clever: | i heard it was flooding at a major hdd manufacturing plant |
| [21:11:04] | wagnerrp: | several, in thailand, like two months ago |
| [21:11:07] | wagnerrp: | it was all over the news |
| [21:11:18] | wagnerrp: | and then reports of spiking hard drive prices were all over the news |
| [21:11:27] | clever: | and its due to be back in operation arround monsoon season, right in time for more flooding :P |
| [21:11:30] | mattwj2002: | really? |
| [21:11:41] | wagnerrp: | really |
| [21:12:21] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah I see that |
| [21:12:25] | mattwj2002: | I just googled it |
| [21:12:26] | mattwj2002: | bummer |
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| [21:23:06] | Hans1974: | Wagnerrp: Just reinstalled Mythbuntu 11.10 update kernel to 3.2.0 (build of today). Then tested my TV-card. Still not working. I did the build from linuxtv.org. And now the card can't even be recognized, and he complains that the backend is not running. Any ideas? |
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| [21:24:09] | wagnerrp: | by 'he' you mean 'mythfrontend'? |
| [21:24:53] | wagnerrp: | the 3.2 kernel is still considered unstable and developmental |
| [21:24:57] | Hans1974: | Yes. |
| [21:25:05] | wagnerrp: | devin said the driver changes should be in 3.1 |
| [21:25:42] | wagnerrp: | what build from linuxtv.org are you talking about? |
| [21:26:21] | Hans1974: | The one from this link : http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obta . . . vice_Drivers |
| [21:27:15] | wagnerrp: | if you update your kernel to 3.1, you already have all the driver updates for that card |
| [21:27:25] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to then build more external modules |
| [21:27:43] | wagnerrp: | and if you have both internal and external modules, and dont know what you're doing |
| [21:27:53] | wagnerrp: | youll just confuse the tools designed to autoload them |
| [21:29:04] | Hans1974: | OK, so 3.2 is too much. Get back to 3.1? |
| [21:29:33] | wagnerrp: | use 3.1, do not build new modules from linuxtv |
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| [21:31:37] | Hans1974: | Yup, will try with 3.1 (tomorrow) Thanks for help ! |
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| [22:12:28] | skd5aner: | hurray, updated through end of August – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25 & http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes |
| [22:13:23] | skd5aner: | Sept was a drastically light month for commits, so that'll be easy to get through |
| [22:21:15] | iamlindoro: | But then October/November get exciting again ;) |
| [22:21:24] | iamlindoro: | That'll teach you to do something charitable and stop! |
| [22:27:08] | skd5aner: | I just figured if the world was caving in on my shoulders, it must have done so for everyone else at the same time... guess I forgot that everyone else's lives go on :) |
| [22:27:42] | skd5aner: | and now to reboot... |
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| [22:42:22] | skd5aner: | ah ha! success! I figured out why I was getting such crappy reads when trying to rip DVDs |
| [22:43:03] | skd5aner: | stupid daemon-tools virtual drive tool installed a third-party driver (SPTD) that drastically reduced the read speed of the physical drive |
| [22:43:18] | skd5aner: | was getting between 4x-8x, now I'm getting about ~16x :) |
| [22:43:59] | skd5aner: | Now if I would have taken the time to figured that out 2 years ago... :/ |
| [22:44:01] | sid3windr: | weird |
| [22:44:14] | sid3windr: | I don't think I have that problem :) |
| [22:45:31] | skd5aner: | http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic= . . . #entry100250 |
| [22:46:02] | skd5aner: | I didn't graph mine out, but had the same impact as seen there |
| [22:50:40] | skd5aner: | seems they might have fixed the issue in version 1.62 of the driver |
| [22:50:46] | skd5aner: | I just uninstalled it, didn't really need it anyway |
| [22:51:03] | skd5aner: | http://forum.duplexsecure.com/showthread.php?t=468 |
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| [23:17:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why all these people are using sizable backends, and then going and spending a bunch of money on embedded NAS systems |
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| [23:18:19] | [R]: | cuz its what all the cool kids do |
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