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| [00:09:17] | joemyth: | is 0.25 going to come out in the next few months? or is it more like 2013? |
| [00:10:14] | iamlindoro: | next few months |
| [00:10:29] | iamlindoro: | undetermined exact date, but very likely first couple of months of next year |
| [00:11:13] | joemyth: | i'm curious how many people are working on it at any given time |
| [00:11:44] | iamlindoro: | a dozen current devs, give or take, with 4–6 at any given time doing a lot of work |
| [00:11:57] | iamlindoro: | which of us are active depends on personal schedules |
| [00:14:33] | joemyth: | sounds hectic! |
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| [00:19:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: oh? i hadnt heard that |
| [00:19:27] | joemyth: | i read something on mythv-users about troubleshooting adult videos |
| [00:19:55] | wagnerrp: | i know there was discussion about it, but i didnt think there were anything more than far off musings |
| [00:20:12] | iamlindoro: | joemyth: foolishness-- someon suggested we wouldn't provide support for proper playback of adult videos, but that's nonsense |
| [00:20:19] | iamlindoro: | it is not and has never been our policy |
| [00:20:29] | joemyth: | my understanding was that if i would like to get help with a video format etc, it is preferable that it be a video with adult content |
| [00:20:34] | iamlindoro: | the only thing we won't help with is obviously stolen content |
| [00:20:36] | iamlindoro: | hahahah |
| [00:20:36] | joemyth: | did i understand correctly? |
| [00:20:37] | wagnerrp: | unless of course those adult videos are illegally downloaded |
| [00:20:39] | iamlindoro: | well you could try it |
| [00:20:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, now with the services api providing more and more of the functionality that mythweb does, stuartm's plan makes more sense than ever |
| [00:20:52] | iamlindoro: | I'd promise to try to reproduce the issue, repeatedly |
| [00:21:21] | joemyth: | a whole new meaning to 'reproducing' the issue <drum roll> |
| [00:21:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and a) the mythweb devs are, er, "on hiatus" and b) clients shouldn't be interpreting data/directly accessing DB/etc so having the backend do that and clients just display it makes sense |
| [00:23:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Well, I have to disagree with you somewhat on the purpose of the Services API-- if its only point were displaying data, you might be right-- but ny client performing two-way transactions-- reading *and* modifying data, must necessarily interpret the data |
| [00:24:08] | sphery: | speaking of adult videos, I'm wondering if that's why http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 97813#497813 is "unable/unwilling to host general public access to the resulting file anywhere" |
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| [00:26:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: no, I mean that clients shouldn't have any of https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ythTV.php#L6 garbage |
| [00:26:13] | wagnerrp: | is gossamer down? |
| [00:26:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: they should be given client-accessible values, not ints that mean nothing |
| [00:27:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I think users should be given user-accessible values |
| [00:27:09] | sphery: | (same applies in perl and python bindings... we just have to do the API properly, then clients can work across versions, regardless of which values we use internally as magic numbers) |
| [00:27:18] | sphery: | yes, users should be given user-accessible values |
| [00:27:25] | iamlindoro: | I think giving an application the value that is most efficient to parse is correct |
| [00:27:31] | sphery: | but clients should go from client-accessible to user-accessible |
| [00:27:43] | iamlindoro: | the ints don't mean nothing |
| [00:27:46] | sphery: | not from 8 -> Don't Record |
| [00:27:52] | iamlindoro: | the ints just aren't english |
| [00:27:57] | iamlindoro: | say what you mean ;) |
| [00:28:03] | sphery: | they mean nothing /because/ we change them' |
| [00:28:17] | iamlindoro: | I don't recall any of those values changing, besides additions |
| [00:28:33] | iamlindoro: | likewise with the bitmasks |
| [00:29:11] | sphery: | well, if you've never seen it, it must never happen |
| [00:29:24] | Beirdo: | it's rather silly for an API to use fixed values or bitmasks where it can be explicit (IMHO) |
| [00:29:33] | sphery: | because in the master dictionary of the universe, it says, 8 = Dont Record |
| [00:29:42] | sphery: | right next to saying 8 = LaterShowing |
| [00:29:44] | sphery: | and such |
| [00:29:51] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [00:29:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, it makes writing the API a bit more work, but it makes the users of said API much easier to maintain |
| [00:29:58] | sphery: | yes |
| [00:30:04] | iamlindoro: | say the two guys doing nothing whatsoever on it |
| [00:30:05] | sphery: | write the code for maintainability |
| [00:30:31] | Beirdo: | Oh please |
| [00:30:32] | sphery: | and only worry about efficiency after profiling (which is impossible to do without a fully functional implementation) |
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| [00:31:32] | sphery: | anyway, feel free to make another api that will result in 3rd party developers complaining when their stuff breaks |
| [00:31:56] | wagnerrp: | personally, id rather have access to the ints in the bindings |
| [00:32:04] | sphery: | it's one thing to use an internal magic value when using /our/ libs |
| [00:32:07] | iamlindoro: | feel free to make nasty remarks when someone politely disagrees with you |
| [00:32:09] | wagnerrp: | if anything, make the lookup tables available through the WSDL |
| [00:32:11] | sphery: | it's wrong to do it when not |
| [00:32:21] | sphery: | this is why the linux headers were rewritten a couple of years ago |
| [00:32:33] | sphery: | because programs were using kernel-internal data they shouldn't have been using |
| [00:32:55] | sphery: | anyway, feel free to interpret |
| [00:33:05] | sphery: | and let every other client interpret |
| [00:33:13] | sphery: | and then we'll have a ton of clients doing it wrong |
| [00:33:17] | sphery: | and corrupting data and such |
| [00:33:53] | wagnerrp: | does WSDL support set/enum definitions? |
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| [00:34:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [00:35:00] | iamlindoro: | (at least, a search indicates that it does) |
| [00:35:20] | sphery: | anyway, no one ever changes internal stuff in mythtv, so it's not a problem... no one ever rearranges the fields in a programinfo, for instance |
| [00:35:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery: why are you being so rude? |
| [00:36:06] | wagnerrp: | if the fields in a programinfo are to change, they its very likely the data being sent through the API should change as well |
| [00:36:09] | iamlindoro: | I'm not taking nasty pot shots, what is making you do so? |
| [00:36:55] | iamlindoro: | And in the case of rearranging programinfo, it was more for internal consistency, and wouldn't have changed API output *at all* |
| [00:37:42] | sphery: | oh, yeah, I forgot that XML is standard, so any XML-speaking client can now control mythtv |
| [00:38:01] | sphery: | anyway, no need to listen to me |
| [00:38:07] | sphery: | feel free to use internal values |
| [00:38:10] | sphery: | don't complain when they change |
| [00:38:17] | sphery: | don't complain when your app breaks |
| [00:38:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery: if it bothers you so much, why don't you just add them, leaving the int values in place? |
| [00:38:40] | sphery: | because exposing internal data is the problem |
| [00:38:47] | iamlindoro: | You're making a lot of unkind remarks about stuff you won't pick up and do anythigna bout |
| [00:39:10] | sphery: | yeah, because every time I do something I get nothing but grief |
| [00:39:25] | iamlindoro: | So if you want string values/pairs, just add them-- leave the bitmasks alongside, and then people can choose their bed, and sleep in it |
| [00:39:25] | sphery: | and even when I don't do anything, I get nothing but grief |
| [00:39:54] | ** iamlindoro can see there's no having a reasonable conversation here ** | |
| [00:40:11] | iamlindoro: | well, I'm sorry it has so offended you, and sorry you feel so helpless. dunno what else I can say |
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| [00:41:15] | Shadow__X: | I am editing some records of its always sunny from WGN and realize they blur out a bunch of logos. I thought the stream from fx doesnt do that |
| [00:41:32] | Shadow__X: | or that common behavior for all of its always sunny |
| [00:41:41] | Shadow__X: | btw dennis system is pretty funny |
| [00:41:43] | jams: | wgn does it |
| [00:41:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: looks like xsd:enumeration only operates to restrict the supported values |
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| [00:41:58] | Shadow__X: | jams: licensing stuff? |
| [00:41:59] | jams: | it's not limited to always sunny either |
| [00:42:03] | wagnerrp: | not map integers to values like C enums |
| [00:42:10] | joemyth: | WGN also blurred out all the humor from this season of sunny |
| [00:42:13] | jams: | that i don't know. |
| [00:42:38] | sphery: | anyway, my only point is that clients shouldn't be relying on internal data... we should have some other value for clients (even if it's an int with a lookup--just not the internally-defined/used-for-internal-purposes ints) |
| [00:43:04] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: thanks again for videxport. I use it all the time great work |
| [00:43:56] | wagnerrp: | i need to update that for 0.25, there are some minor changes to make it work |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | primary for the logging stuff |
| [00:44:05] | Shadow__X: | jams: i also realize they bump up the stream to 1080i and increase the bitrate for nothing. The newest eps are 720p and come in at about half the size |
| [00:44:32] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: ah ok but still though great work |
| [00:45:08] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: great work on all the metadata stuff. I really like the themes that you put out and the metadata makes mythtv that much more enjoyable |
| [00:45:10] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: bitrate and resolution don't have a relationship with one another when you're comparing 1080i and 720p |
| [00:45:15] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: thanks |
| [00:45:41] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: ah because of the extra res being pushed through? |
| [00:45:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: viewing data is one thing, but if the client is supposed to alter the data, having a string versus an int wont make any difference one way or another |
| [00:45:47] | Shadow__X: | even if its upscaled? |
| [00:45:59] | wagnerrp: | you still need to know all possible values, whether those values are integers or strings |
| [00:46:01] | Shadow__X: | or actually letterboxed |
| [00:46:18] | iamlindoro: | 720p is 1280x720 pixels, 60 times per second.... 1080i is half the lines of 1920 x 1080, 60 times per second |
| [00:46:19] | wagnerrp: | the current method uses a locally stored lookup table |
| [00:46:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: agreed... I don't care what value clients use--as long as it's api-defined and not internal values |
| [00:46:29] | iamlindoro: | 720p is trading screen resolution for temporal resolution |
| [00:46:41] | iamlindoro: | 1080i is trading temporal resolution for screen resolution |
| [00:47:01] | wagnerrp: | if instead, we could have the API fill all potential values to the WSDL, that would be workable |
| [00:47:02] | iamlindoro: | There's no reason one would be higher bitrate than the other, especially as all broadcasters have the same channel space to play with |
| [00:47:06] | sphery: | and, IMHO, making it easier for clients to use makes a lot of sense |
| [00:47:17] | sphery: | especially since computers in 2011 aren't 100MHz systems |
| [00:47:32] | wagnerrp: | use a string like you propose, but restrict the values using the wsdl |
| [00:47:49] | sphery: | anyway, ints are fine |
| [00:47:52] | sphery: | just not internal ints |
| [00:47:54] | wagnerrp: | however for a lot of things, youre still going to need local lookups |
| [00:47:57] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: ah ok. I really need to go read up more about it thanks |
| [00:48:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yes, we heard you. |
| [00:48:03] | sphery: | or at least have an api-specific definition of them |
| [00:48:05] | iamlindoro: | we all get it |
| [00:48:12] | wagnerrp: | say you want to color things differently based off the type |
| [00:49:02] | wagnerrp: | the application would still have to store each possible locally, with a mapped color, putting us right back where we currently are |
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| [00:50:41] | wagnerrp: | certain things would be able to fail more gracefully if presented with an unknown string, as opposed to an int |
| [00:50:52] | wagnerrp: | other things wouldnt make much difference |
| [00:50:55] | joemyth: | good night you guys |
| [00:51:12] | sphery: | well, it seems I'm not allowed to keep talking, so this is the last I'll say, but the idea behind apis is to abtract away any internal structure/data/values so that those values can change internally without affecting the api |
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| [00:52:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery: who is keeping you from talking? I'd just rather you not be passive aggressive and nasty-- I hear what you've had to say-- me not necessarily agreeing isn't me encouraging you to repeat it or an indication I didn't understand you the first three times |
| [00:52:04] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: I am not sure if its just something i need to work around but videxport will tend to add a : in the middle of some its always sunny eps (i know its part of episode name) but it might help to have a work around built in |
| [00:52:38] | wagnerrp: | mythvidexport will only name the files based off the given metadata and formatting string |
| [00:53:02] | wagnerrp: | if it puts a : in the middle of the name, thetvdb said it should be there |
| [00:53:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ok, then were you telling me to put wagnerrp: before all of my replies to his comments? |
| [00:53:12] | wagnerrp: | is there any harm in having that : there? |
| [00:54:16] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Well, it all sure felt directed at me, but if I misunderstood then I'm sorry |
| [00:55:13] | iamlindoro: | But you don't seem capable of compromise on this-- if you don't care if they're ints, then add the tiny bit of code to do if blah == SOME_CONST, int = foo in the API, make them match up for now, document it, and be done with it |
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| [00:55:28] | sphery: | anyway, I'm sorry, and I admit I didn't make this a productive conversation, but it seems they're hard to have whenever talking about anything related to mythtv, anymore |
| [00:55:35] | sphery: | and that's not directed at anyone in particular |
| [00:55:40] | iamlindoro: | Or add the strings alongside the ints if you're desparate for them to be strings-- I really don't care |
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| [00:56:00] | sphery: | just saying that there are a lot of differing views on a lot of topics |
| [00:56:46] | sphery: | but like I said, I don't care if they're ints or not ints... just that they're an api-defined value rather than an internal one |
| [00:57:00] | iamlindoro: | So fix it in a way that makes everyone happy! |
| [00:57:07] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't sound that difficult |
| [00:57:19] | sphery: | i.e. we export a view of the data for api clients that allows us to change internal data as necessary without breaking the api |
| [00:57:28] | iamlindoro: | you make the "starting" values for the API equivalent to the existing stuff, and if the internal stuff cahnges, so be it |
| [00:57:53] | sphery: | yeah... and it will go on my todo |
| [00:58:17] | iamlindoro: | But it's your hot button issue, so you can't make nasty remarks at me when I don't want to be at your beck and call to fix it in a way that will make you happy |
| [00:58:30] | iamlindoro: | well, you can, but it won't do a lot for my opinion of you, if that means anything |
| [00:58:54] | sphery: | my intention was not to tell you that you had to do it |
| [00:58:58] | sphery: | just to present an idea |
| [00:59:10] | iamlindoro: | And I said you could feel free to do it |
| [00:59:42] | iamlindoro: | But you were being disingenuous in your argument-- you can't say "these ints mean nothing" and then five minutes later profess taht you don't care if they're ints |
| [01:00:09] | iamlindoro: | The ints mean something, you want them to be abstracted from the internal values, I don't care if you do that so long as they remain as easy to parse as they are now, and I've said that all along |
| [01:06:50] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah its an invalid character for afp shares and poissble smb shares |
| [01:07:51] | wagnerrp: | afp... dont know what to do for that |
| [01:08:04] | wagnerrp: | but i know samba's got a directive to replace certain characters |
| [01:08:47] | wagnerrp: | afp doesnt support ':'? |
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| [01:09:23] | Shadow__X: | whenever i look at a file with : it gives me / in its place |
| [01:09:30] | Shadow__X: | so it plays and works fine |
| [01:09:56] | Shadow__X: | i just rename them but thought i would bring it up in case other people were having the issue |
| [01:10:20] | iamlindoro: | So it works fine so long as the escape the filename-- nothing unusual about that |
| [01:10:40] | wagnerrp: | im reluctant to add things like that, as it would break any subsequent attempt to import the content through a scan |
| [01:11:07] | Shadow__X: | oh ok thats understandable just something i came accross and thought i would point it out |
| [01:11:27] | Shadow__X: | and yeah the file works fine |
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| [01:12:47] | ** wagnerrp would tell Shadow__X what the samba directive were... if he could open the samba.org website ** | |
| [01:13:24] | earthnative: | : is the traditional Mac path seperator, and in OSX, from memory, the GUI shows "/" where the filesystem has ":" |
| [01:14:07] | wagnerrp: | the filesystems arent POSIX compliant? |
| [01:15:54] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: here we go... 'mangled map' |
| [01:16:30] | wagnerrp: | ... might be worth adding a comment to the page to explain how to use that |
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| [01:16:55] | Shadow__X: | thanks ill check it out |
| [01:17:19] | earthnative: | no idea if HFS+ is POSIX compliant or not. it uses '/' as the path seperator from memory, but AFP dates to pre OSX macintosh |
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| [01:18:57] | iamlindoro: | Who uses AFP, anyway? We're Mac only at work and I've never even touched AFP |
| [01:19:09] | iamlindoro: | well, mac only on the desktop anyway |
| [01:19:21] | Shadow__X: | i use afp and i know there are mac admins who use afp |
| [01:19:32] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: there's no compelling reason to do so, though |
| [01:19:51] | iamlindoro: | I wasn't suggesting that there weren't people who did, merely that it didn't have any upside |
| [01:20:02] | Shadow__X: | for me specifically its easier to do timemachine shares |
| [01:20:33] | Shadow__X: | netatalk gives you specific options for afp compared to just using smb atleast from what i have used |
| [01:21:20] | iamlindoro: | I can't say I've ever had to use AFP for Time Machine... so not sure what you're seeing |
| [01:21:25] | Shadow__X: | also speed. I know some people have had issues with cif shares and all that and I have had less issues with afp personally but sure to go out of your way to use it overall there probably isnt that many reasons to use it |
| [01:22:38] | Shadow__X: | i have a afp share that i can use with time machine backups. Last time i checked cifs wasnt directly supported and had issues (10.6) and with afp and netatalk. |
| [01:23:47] | Shadow__X: | so i can make a share in netatalk thats 500gb and then i can just select it with timemachine and it will use it no problem and once i provide it with the credentials it will automount,check the backup,backup,prune and unmount the share |
| [01:24:02] | Shadow__X: | also i can do a restore from over the network from an install dvd |
| [01:24:40] | jams: | it also keeps those pesky windows ppl from snooping around the network drives. |
| [01:25:55] | wagnerrp: | does it now? http://www.openafs.org/windows.html |
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| [01:28:54] | skd5aner: | reading scrollback – Apigee has a lot of good lessons learned related to patterns (and anti-patterns) to follow related to API design – this was a good webinar http://blog.apigee.com/detail/video_restful_a . . . ot_dogmatic/ |
| [01:29:41] | jams: | wagnerrp- assuming that was related to the afp conversion...openafs is nothing like afp |
| [01:30:00] | Shadow__X: | jams: i was about to ask if afs could mount afp shares |
| [01:30:04] | jams: | for that matter neither is afs |
| [01:30:12] | wagnerrp: | jams: whoops! typed it wrong in google and didnt even notice |
| [01:31:00] | jams: | there may be a client, but your avg person isn't going to have it installed. |
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| [01:31:23] | wagnerrp: | your average person isnt going to have afs configured either, for that matter |
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| [01:32:23] | jams: | true but we were talking about afp :) |
| [01:32:23] | earthnative: | Shadow__X: netatalk under linux, to share to OSX for timemachine? ...is it just sharing a directory, or a HFS+ disk image? |
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| [01:38:38] | Shadow__X: | earthnative: its a hfs+ image in a directory :D |
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| [01:39:24] | Shadow__X: | you can even control how much space its allowed to take. I think its neat |
| [01:39:31] | earthnative: | cool, I'll give that a go next time I get into re-adminning my sole OSX box. (I'd found doco that said I could do it via an NFS share which held a hfs+ image, but I never got it to work :/ |
| [01:40:39] | Shadow__X: | earthnative: this is what i used http://blog.damontimm.com/how-to-install-neta . . . hentication/ |
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| [01:41:30] | Shadow__X: | the sahre even comes up as an xsan |
| [01:41:31] | Shadow__X: | yay |
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| [01:43:24] | Shadow__X: | earthnative: or maybe i used this http://www.kremalicious.com/2008/06/ubuntu-as . . . hine-volume/ |
| [01:43:31] | earthnative: | groovy. I have URL noted for later (when I'm at home) reading |
| [01:43:48] | Shadow__X: | use the second link that seems like what i used |
| [01:44:05] | earthnative: | also noted :) |
| [01:44:28] | Shadow__X: | also i was able to do a restore from over the network on a install dvd. I thought that was cool. I just needed to open up finder and mount the share and go from there |
| [01:44:40] | Shadow__X: | you can also easily setup air print with avahi and cups |
| [01:46:01] | earthnative: | I think my printer is visible thanks to samba... but given I print monthly, at best, getting it smooth isn't much of a priority |
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| [01:49:43] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [01:50:00] | Beirdo: | still at work, ugh. |
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| [02:03:08] | Shadow__X: | hmm apparenlty i remembered wrong. instead of using / instead of : i get #814A0 |
| [02:03:55] | Shadow__X: | ls shows this It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia – S7E07 – Chardee MacDennis: The Game of Games.mpg and the share shows this It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia – S7E07 – Chardee MacDennis#814A0.mpg |
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| [02:11:19] | Shadow__X: | and under windows 7 and a samba share i get IQPWYE~L.MPG |
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| [02:15:16] | earthnative: | yeah, mangled names under samba are... horrid |
| [02:15:33] | wagnerrp: | full on mangled names, yes |
| [02:15:54] | wagnerrp: | but you should be able to do simple substitution with mangled map, without forcing the rest of it |
| [02:16:10] | earthnative: | I was only thinking yesterday that maybe I should write a script to walk my entire tree, and hardlink to a shadow tree with windows-friendly names. |
| [02:16:41] | earthnative: | and then I can have nice unixy all-character names, and shareable windows friendly names too |
| [02:16:50] | earthnative: | mangled map is long deprecated |
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| [02:20:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | I did that sort of thing when I was plying with MyMovies. |
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| [02:27:46] | Shadow__X: | so would it be mangled map = (*:*) (*-*) ? |
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| [02:28:58] | Shadow__X: | or i guess it would be more like mangled map =(: -) after reading some more |
| [02:29:36] | wagnerrp: | earthnative: deprecated implies it was replaced by something else? |
| [02:31:00] | earthnative: | then maybe that's my poor use of words. 'mangled names' is the recommended way to make filenames mangled |
| [02:31:22] | wagnerrp: | but they got rid of the manual substitution feature? |
| [02:31:24] | earthnative: | since it guarantees uniqueness that wont cause potential dataloss |
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| [02:38:57] | Shadow__X: | alright well i set mangled names = no and now instead of IQ... i get a / instead of : |
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| [03:00:20] | Beirdo: | math can sometimes be so cool |
| [03:01:47] | Beirdo: | I should create graphs of these numbers (histograms and cross-correlations of them per frame) |
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| [03:21:44] | Shadow__X: | Beirdo: i agree. Sometimes graphical representation of numbers can be cool too |
| [03:26:47] | wagnerrp: | silly me |
| [03:26:56] | wagnerrp: | i generated new ebuilds last night |
| [03:27:06] | wagnerrp: | up update my master backend, and gentoo images today |
| [03:27:18] | wagnerrp: | surely its new enough its not going to have any problems |
| [03:27:24] | wagnerrp: | nope! schema update |
| [03:35:36] | DeviceZer0: | hello all I'm setting up a hdhr prime on on 0.24-fixes and I'm following the wiki page here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [03:35:45] | DeviceZer0: | I'm a bit confused about the part where it says: |
| [03:35:51] | DeviceZer0: | Note: If using .24-fixes: You must either create two copies of one of the autodetected tuners, or define the HDHomeRun by IP address and manually edit the Tuner number for each HDHomeRun tuner numbered 0, 1, and 2. If you create two copies of one of the tuners, you will need to edit the capturecard table to change the device strings to end in -0, -1, and -2 |
| [03:36:25] | DeviceZer0: | what does it mean make 2 copies of the auto detected tuners? |
| [03:36:40] | iamlindoro: | when you set up an HDHomeRun, you have two options |
| [03:36:41] | wagnerrp: | the code in mythtv 0.24 to support the hdhomerun tuners will only allow automatic creation of two tuners |
| [03:36:44] | wagnerrp: | while the prime has three |
| [03:36:44] | iamlindoro: | 1) Define it by IP |
| [03:36:46] | DeviceZer0: | right now I'm on that page in mythtv-setup and my screen looks just like thee pic showen |
| [03:36:53] | iamlindoro: | 2) allow autodetection to take place |
| [03:37:06] | iamlindoro: | in .24-fixes, for the Prime, you can either define all three using the IP |
| [03:37:07] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [03:37:09] | DeviceZer0: | can the hdhr have a static ip? |
| [03:37:31] | wagnerrp: | if you tell your dhcp server to always give it the same address |
| [03:37:33] | DeviceZer0: | my lan ips dont change alot..but I'd feel alot better about recordings if it did. |
| [03:37:34] | iamlindoro: | Define tuners -0 and -1 in the UI, and use a tool like phpmyadmin to clone one of those rows, and change the last digit |
| [03:37:42] | DeviceZer0: | Im not sure my router supports that. |
| [03:37:51] | iamlindoro: | Any router will allow you to do static DHCP leases |
| [03:38:01] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [03:38:19] | iamlindoro: | But if you don't want to, then you just do as above |
| [03:38:24] | wagnerrp: | the original firmware on my wrts didnt |
| [03:38:45] | wagnerrp: | they would only remain static so long as the unit was kept on and the lease was constantly refreshed |
| [03:38:47] | iamlindoro: | create two of them by the device id, then use phpmyadmin to create a new row identical to one of those in the capturecard table, and only change the device string |
| [03:39:11] | DeviceZer0: | Im using the supplied router from verizon(actiontec something) |
| [03:39:19] | DeviceZer0: | since its needed for mocaa |
| [03:39:56] | Shadow__X: | DeviceZer0: it should be able to to static leases the firmware on those arent that bad |
| [03:40:08] | DeviceZer0: | Shadow__X, I'm looking into it now |
| [03:40:31] | iamlindoro: | You also need to be sure you're on absolute newest .24-fixes |
| [03:40:44] | iamlindoro: | ie, whatever version came with your distro, if that's what you're running, is too old |
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| [03:41:50] | DeviceZer0: | using mythbuntu repo |
| [03:42:28] | iamlindoro: | Good-- so as long as you're keeping up with those updates, you will be fine |
| [03:44:44] | DeviceZer0: | k I think I got a static ip on it now |
| [03:45:35] | DeviceZer0: | so with the manual ip method I just repeat that step 2 times? |
| [03:45:41] | DeviceZer0: | (to end up with 3 total) |
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| [03:46:08] | iamlindoro: | more or less-- you just need to edit the tuner number box each time-- 0, 1, and 2 |
| [03:46:19] | DeviceZer0: | yea |
| [03:47:06] | DeviceZer0: | ah and max recordings to 1 |
| [03:47:18] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [03:50:32] | DeviceZer0: | ok cool! I think I got all 3 added now...need to run mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all |
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| [04:12:05] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [04:12:25] | DeviceZer0: | all video in mythtv is pink and liney? |
| [04:12:29] | DeviceZer0: | let me post a pic |
| [04:14:22] | DeviceZer0: | http://picpaste.com/pics/DSCF0038-2ssouRln.1322712854.JPG |
| [04:15:03] | wagnerrp: | what kinds of graphics card? |
| [04:15:22] | DeviceZer0: | nvidia gtx260 |
| [04:15:34] | wagnerrp: | proprietary drivers? |
| [04:15:37] | DeviceZer0: | yea |
| [04:15:42] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile |
| [04:15:50] | DeviceZer0: | all working(videos play fine in smplayer,vlc,xbmc..) |
| [04:15:55] | DeviceZer0: | let me check wagnerrp |
| [04:16:16] | DeviceZer0: | eek..its using cpu+ |
| [04:16:43] | DeviceZer0: | hmm weird |
| [04:16:47] | wagnerrp: | use Slim or VDPAU High Quality |
| [04:16:51] | DeviceZer0: | I changed it to vdpau slim |
| [04:16:54] | DeviceZer0: | and it seems ok now |
| [04:17:01] | wagnerrp: | you can go up to high quality |
| [04:17:08] | wagnerrp: | youve got enough graphics power to handle it |
| [04:17:18] | DeviceZer0: | I know last time I made my own profile as I had issues with one of the preset ones...no idea why it reverted back to cpu+ |
| [04:17:35] | DeviceZer0: | hmm. I had some issues with playback a while ago |
| [04:17:43] | DeviceZer0: | with pausing and stuttering |
| [04:17:47] | DeviceZer0: | ill try it again though |
| [04:17:54] | DeviceZer0: | it may have been on 0.23 |
| [04:23:34] | squidly: | with a HD Home Run Prime.. can I use a DNS name instead of an IP address? |
| [04:23:41] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:24:12] | squidly: | I was afraid you would say that.. |
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| [05:55:45] | [R]: | i have wavy lines on my recordings |
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| [05:55:52] | [R]: | i really hate my directv box |
| [05:58:21] | wagnerrp: | imagine that! ive got wavy lines on my movies |
| [05:58:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.american-buddha.com/ghostbust.12c.gif |
| [05:59:36] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:00:03] | [R]: | the problem is i need this crappy svideo like cable for my component video output |
| [06:00:10] | [R]: | and its an awful awful connection |
| [06:09:36] | iamlindoro: | coupla.... wavy lines? |
| [06:22:32] | Beirdo: | Bzzzzzt |
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| [07:00:15] | Floppe: | one recording had failed this last monday on cardid 1 (Tuning => Recorder Failed). after the show one hour later it says TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None, so my ques: has it tried to record all the time or does myth give up after first failure on 24-fixes? |
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| [07:40:51] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHA |
| [07:41:05] | wagnerrp: | 'I'm glad to see "Booth Professional" being used now. "Booth Babe" is so sexist, and broads really hate that.' |
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| [07:55:03] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [07:55:20] | Beirdo: | so they are "pros" now... that can't be much better :) |
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| [08:00:57] | Russ: | ...I configured my mythvideo for what I think was called filesystem view...and now whenever I go into mythvideo, it does a complete search of the filesystem and when it gets to /proc/<any pid>/cwd...it recurses |
| [08:01:16] | Russ: | stat64("/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1 969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/r oot/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/p roc/1969/root/proc/1969/root/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/1 6021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/ cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd |
| [08:01:17] | Russ: | /proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc /16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/16021/cwd/proc/1602 1/cwd/var/datastore/backup/aquaman/usr/share/javazi/EST5EDT", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1272, ...}) = 0 |
| [08:01:20] | Russ: | etc.... |
| [08:01:37] | wagnerrp: | you told mythvideo to scan the entirety of / ? |
| [08:01:46] | wagnerrp: | im going to say youre beyond help |
| [08:01:51] | Russ: | I was experimenting with the view modes |
| [08:01:57] | Russ: | isn't there something in the db I can change? |
| [08:02:32] | wagnerrp: | where did you configure that path? |
| [08:02:34] | Beirdo: | heheeh |
| [08:02:49] | Russ: | The path is /var/datastore/video |
| [08:02:58] | Russ: | but under the manage view, there was some option to scan the filesystem |
| [08:03:00] | wagnerrp: | and that is symlinked to / ? |
| [08:03:04] | Russ: | no |
| [08:03:14] | wagnerrp: | clearly its scanning /proc for some reason |
| [08:03:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv wouldnt be doing that unless you told it to |
| [08:03:39] | wagnerrp: | there is no default path |
| [08:03:39] | Russ: | like I said, it was some option under manage view |
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| [08:06:32] | ** Russ attempts to figure out the table for mythvideo settings ** | |
| [08:06:34] | wagnerrp: | there are two different locations to tell mythvideo where your content is |
| [08:06:43] | wagnerrp: | DO NOT GO DIGGING THROUGH THE DATABASE |
| [08:06:47] | Russ: | I didn't change any paths |
| [08:06:55] | Russ: | I can't use mythvideo, it hangs |
| [08:07:11] | wagnerrp: | there is the setting in the frontend, which is a local path accessed by the frontend |
| [08:07:29] | wagnerrp: | that setting is deprecated, and defaults to nothing (meaning it is deactivated) |
| [08:07:47] | wagnerrp: | the new method is through the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [08:07:54] | wagnerrp: | that also has no default paths |
| [08:08:59] | wagnerrp: | the only way mythvideo would scan anything would be if you gave it a path to scan (or potentially your distro's packages did for you, like mythbuntu) |
| [08:10:24] | Russ: | I'm not using mythbuntu, and I didn't change any paths |
| [08:10:45] | wagnerrp: | you had to have, because the default is empty |
| [08:10:45] | Russ: | changing the view to manage view opened up some checkbox about filesystem, I was curious what it did, so I checked it |
| [08:10:53] | Russ: | then I did long long ago |
| [08:11:15] | Russ: | I'll run mythtv-setup and see |
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| [08:12:12] | Russ: | it only has Default and a bunch of (Create ... group) |
| [08:12:28] | wagnerrp: | then you set a path using the old deprecated frontend setting |
| [08:12:53] | wagnerrp: | should be somewhere in utilities/setup --> setup --> media settings |
| [08:13:05] | Russ: | ya, I go to video settings and it crashes now |
| [08:14:38] | Russ: | though mythweb, I can see that VideoStartupDir for that frontend is /var/datastore/video |
| [08:15:04] | wagnerrp: | then you must have a symlink in there that points to / or /proc |
| [08:15:44] | Russ: | russ@icarus:/$ find /var/datastore/video -type l |
| [08:15:44] | Russ: | russ@icarus:/$ |
| [08:15:49] | Russ: | so no |
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| [08:20:41] | Russ: | "Enable File Browse Mode" |
| [08:20:45] | Russ: | that's the friggin option |
| [08:20:59] | Russ: | I enabled that all everything went to hell |
| [08:21:20] | wagnerrp: | all that means is that the paths you gave mythvideo are scanned each time you open it, rather than the contents being cached in the database |
| [08:21:32] | wagnerrp: | it does not have any effect on what locations are scanned |
| [08:22:04] | Russ: | hmmm...maybe that isn't the option :( |
| [08:22:36] | wagnerrp: | well that option should be disabled, because of the poor performance and lack of metadata it causes |
| [08:22:48] | wagnerrp: | most of us think it should be removed, but thats besides the point |
| [08:23:21] | Russ: | how do I dump my settings table for that host to look at it |
| [08:24:06] | wagnerrp: | is your backend located on that machine? |
| [08:24:11] | Russ: | no |
| [08:24:30] | wagnerrp: | then run mythtv-setup, where ever your backend is, and check the contents of the Videos storage group |
| [08:25:03] | Russ: | its got the (Create video group) things |
| [08:25:14] | wagnerrp: | do you have more than one backend? |
| [08:25:42] | Russ: | there is another backend running on the icarus, but the primary backend and all the storage is on aquaman |
| [08:26:05] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are configured per host |
| [08:26:24] | wagnerrp: | you can only see or modify their configuration if running mythtv-setup on that machine |
| [08:26:27] | ** Russ wonders why select * from settings where hostname=icarus; doesn't work ** | |
| [08:26:45] | Russ: | same thing when I run mythtv-setup on icarus |
| [08:26:53] | wagnerrp: | because its not defined in the 'settings' table |
| [08:27:05] | wagnerrp: | VideoStartupDir is, but storage groups are not |
| [08:27:10] | Beirdo: | and you'd need quotes around icarus anyways |
| [08:27:16] | wagnerrp: | that too |
| [08:27:57] | ** Beirdo senses pending doom for Russ' database ** | |
| [08:28:25] | Russ: | should I remove the VideoStartupDir and VideoArtworkDir from the settings table and use the mythtv-setup storage groups instead? |
| [08:28:34] | wagnerrp: | id advise you back up your database before doing anything |
| [08:28:42] | Russ: | I have weekly backups |
| [08:28:53] | Beirdo: | and if either of those say "/".... |
| [08:29:06] | Russ: | /var/datastore/video and /var/datastore/misc |
| [08:29:27] | Russ: | I can change them in mythweb too...probably easier than trying to get the mysql command right |
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| [08:30:29] | wagnerrp: | read the differences between local paths and storage groups at http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
| [08:30:54] | wagnerrp: | if none of those drawbacks for storage groups are of significant concern to you, you should be using them rather than local paths |
| [08:31:07] | Russ: | ah, I can axe nfs |
| [08:31:20] | wagnerrp: | thats the intent |
| [08:31:55] | Beirdo: | well, that and to be able to use several drives without the use of LVM |
| [08:32:04] | wagnerrp: | you could do that before |
| [08:32:16] | Beirdo: | before storage groups? |
| [08:32:17] | wagnerrp: | local path definitions allowed a colon separated list |
| [08:32:20] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [08:32:29] | Beirdo: | anyways, that was part of the reason for em |
| [08:32:43] | Beirdo: | be crazy to remove the feature :) |
| [08:32:56] | Russ: | is Coverart equivilent to VideoArtworkDir? |
| [08:33:08] | wagnerrp: | in a sense |
| [08:33:33] | wagnerrp: | videoartwork dir covers all forms of metadata images |
| [08:33:40] | wagnerrp: | coverart only covers... coverart |
| [08:33:47] | wagnerrp: | they all fall through to Videos if not defined |
| [08:33:53] | Russ: | so fanart same path then |
| [08:34:04] | wagnerrp: | if you place it all in the same folder, yes |
| [08:34:28] | wagnerrp: | their type is appended to the end of the filename, so they should be non-overlapping |
| [08:39:55] | Russ: | hmm..."Unable to create file /var/datastore/misc//.test" directory is not writable? |
| [08:40:12] | Russ: | master backend is running as mythtv |
| [08:40:24] | wagnerrp: | and who did you run mythtv-setup as? |
| [08:40:30] | Russ: | drwxrwxr-x 3 russ mythtv 4096 Nov 23 01:59 /var/datastore/misc/ |
| [08:40:36] | Russ: | myththv on the slave frontend system |
| [08:40:56] | Russ: | how do I specify a hostname for storage groups? |
| [08:41:11] | wagnerrp: | by running mythtv-setup on the machine you want to define it for |
| [08:41:23] | Russ: | ...oh |
| [08:43:07] | Russ: | how do I delete one then |
| [08:43:15] | wagnerrp: | 'd' |
| [08:43:16] | Russ: | ah, d |
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| [08:58:18] | Russ: | ok, mythbackend running again, frontend rebooting... |
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| [09:08:44] | Russ: | bah |
| [09:08:48] | Russ: | same damn thing |
| [09:09:27] | wagnerrp: | you cleared out those old VideoStartupDir settings? |
| [09:10:01] | wagnerrp: | select hostname,dirname from storagegroup where groupname='Videos'; |
| [09:10:44] | Russ: | aquaman | /var/datastore/video/ |
| [09:10:54] | Russ: | I cleared out the VdieoArtworkDir and VideoStartupDir |
| [09:11:00] | Russ: | (sp) |
| [09:11:23] | Russ: | I'm telling you, the thing that set it off was not a directory change |
| [09:12:41] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of file browse mode doing that before |
| [09:12:46] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you using? |
| [09:13:06] | Russ: | 0.24.1+fixes20111126–0.0 |
| [09:13:24] | Russ: | o |
| [09:13:25] | Russ: | o |
| [09:13:27] | Russ: | .. |
| [09:13:29] | Russ: | MythVideo: Adding MediaMonitor device: / |
| [09:13:47] | Russ: | MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (myth://Videos@aquaman/var/datastore/video/) |
| [09:13:52] | Russ: | MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning (/) |
| [09:13:57] | wagnerrp: | so it thinks that is a removable drive |
| [09:14:51] | Russ: | where is the setting for that?L |
| [09:15:05] | wagnerrp: | looking... ive never actually used it |
| [09:17:22] | wagnerrp: | looks like the 'DVD Drive' setting in Media Settings -> Video Settings -> Player Settings |
| [09:17:37] | Russ: | I can't get to that from the frontend |
| [09:17:45] | wagnerrp: | exact placement may be a bit off, the setup menus have been re-organized in 0.25 |
| [09:18:05] | Russ: | it crashes when I go to media settings -> video settings |
| [09:18:37] | wagnerrp: | that actually makes sense now why that would be triggered somewhere other than the video library |
| [09:19:02] | wagnerrp: | since the mediamonitor exists to scan content all the time, and optionally auto-start playback upon insertion |
| [09:21:33] | wagnerrp: | try VCDDeviceLocation and DVDDeviceLocation |
| [09:22:09] | Russ: | ok, whatever I did, I can at least get into the settings now |
| [09:22:21] | Russ: | I tried turning of media monitor, but it still says MythVideo: Adding MediaMonitor device: / |
| [09:22:30] | Russ: | where is {VCD,DVD}DeviceLocation? |
| [09:22:49] | wagnerrp: | 'value' column, 'settings' table |
| [09:23:05] | Russ: | I have a bunch of these lines: MediaMonitorUnix::AddDevice() – empty device path. |
| [09:24:28] | Russ: | DVDDeviceLocation | /dev/sr0 | icarus |
| [09:24:37] | Russ: | VCDDeviceLocation | /dev/sr0 | icarus |
| [09:25:10] | wagnerrp: | CDDevice, CDWriterDeviceLocation, MythArchiveDVDLocation |
| [09:25:58] | Russ: | /dev/cdrom, "Empty set", and /dev/dvd |
| [09:26:17] | Russ: | the /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd symlinks do not exist |
| [09:27:24] | Russ: | making those symlinks point to /dev/sr0 fixed the problem |
| [09:27:31] | Russ: | seems like a bad failure mode... |
| [09:27:44] | Russ: | how do I delete CDDevice and MythArchiveDVDLocation? |
| [09:28:24] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from settings where value="CDDevice";' |
| [09:28:44] | wagnerrp: | or whatever their respective fields are in mythmusic or mytharchive |
| [09:29:16] | Russ: | course, that allowed me to turn off file browse mode |
| [09:29:28] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe the failure mode is that bad |
| [09:29:33] | Russ: | so bug, file browse mode enabled + non existent symlink = bad |
| [09:29:48] | wagnerrp: | i mean at some point, with the thousands of users over several years, someone else should have run into it |
| [09:30:04] | Russ: | who screws around and enables file browse mode when they don't know what it is |
| [09:30:27] | wagnerrp: | lots and lots and LOTS of people |
| [09:31:00] | Russ: | and has a configuration to now non-existent symlinks? |
| [09:31:18] | wagnerrp: | primarily people who frequently add content to mythvideo through various illegal actions, dont want to be bothered with the minor annoyance of a manual 'scan for content', and dont understand the implications of file browse mode |
| [09:31:51] | wagnerrp: | file browse mode just tells mythvideo to scan all defined paths as soon as you enter the media library |
| [09:32:00] | wagnerrp: | i suppose that also happens any time you touch the plugin |
| [09:32:08] | wagnerrp: | including accessing the settings screens |
| [09:32:26] | wagnerrp: | i did not know that it bothered scanning the mediamonitor paths |
| [09:34:56] | Russ: | its working now, and I don't need nfs anymore, so ty |
| [09:36:40] | ** wagnerrp heads to bed, knowing he wont be able to sleep because of such strange behavior ** | |
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| [09:37:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ^^^ theres your opportunity! file browse mode is broken in handling screwed up mediamonitor devices! destroy it before someone has a chance to complain of its removal! |
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| [18:35:20] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: so, "yes" |
| [18:35:21] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:35:27] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: nice. |
| [18:35:40] | devinheitmueller: | Hey everybody, iamlindoro and I are getting married! |
| [18:35:45] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [18:35:49] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Oh wait, was that not what you were saying yes to? |
| [18:36:02] | iamlindoro: | No, that was it |
| [18:36:10] | devinheitmueller: | Coo! |
| [18:36:12] | devinheitmueller: | Cool! |
| [18:36:26] | devinheitmueller: | Polygamy isn't legal in New York though. Sorry. |
| [18:36:35] | iamlindoro: | We can all move |
| [18:36:41] | iamlindoro: | and get a TLC show about us |
| [18:36:49] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:36:51] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, I knew I would make my million somehow. |
| [18:36:54] | wagnerrp: | but... utah.... |
| [18:37:17] | Russ: | colorado city |
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| [18:41:33] | Russ: | wagnerrp, thanks again for the help |
| [18:42:44] | wagnerrp: | sorry i was so brusque initially, i never knew that the scanner picked through the mediamonitor paths |
| [18:43:14] | Russ: | no problem, I understand the sheer quantity of myth users and the insane things they must do |
| [18:43:35] | Beirdo: | it did sound pretty funny though :) |
| [18:43:55] | Beirdo: | we really need to be sure to add code to NEVER recurse through proc |
| [18:44:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, i wouldnt put it past someone from doing it |
| [18:44:11] | Beirdo: | that's just gonna be a pain any way you cut it |
| [18:44:15] | wagnerrp: | "ive got videos all over my hard drive, so ill just scan the whole thing!" |
| [18:45:39] | Beirdo: | yeah. /sys and /proc both will have recursive paths, and should never be scanned :) |
| [18:45:53] | wagnerrp: | perhaps just some sort of symlink checker? |
| [18:45:58] | Beirdo: | and likely /dev shouldn't either |
| [18:46:06] | Beirdo: | it's not symlinks in /proc or /sys |
| [18:46:09] | wagnerrp: | if it follows a symlink to a path above itself, it kicks out |
| [18:46:13] | wagnerrp: | hardlinks? |
| [18:46:17] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [18:46:30] | wagnerrp: | or are they just dynamically generated? |
| [18:46:31] | Russ: | you can't hardlink directories, can you? |
| [18:46:33] | Beirdo: | it's a in-kernel on-the-fly filesystem |
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| [18:47:21] | Beirdo: | hmm, some of them are symlinks |
| [18:47:35] | wagnerrp: | some kind of pattern checker would be more difficult |
| [18:47:37] | Beirdo: | /proc/{pid}/cwd for instance |
| [18:47:39] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a depth limit? |
| [18:48:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's not a bad plan either |
| [18:48:48] | Beirdo: | and canonicalizing and using graph theory to find loops would be smart |
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| [18:48:56] | Beirdo: | i.e. "been here" flag |
| [18:49:27] | Beirdo: | would need to create a binary tree or hash or something of all directories searched |
| [18:50:06] | Russ: | just check to see if the symlink you are following is already in your path |
| [18:50:28] | Russ: | eg, /media/data/files/root/media/data/files/root (where root -> /) |
| [18:50:33] | Beirdo: | no, that won't doo |
| [18:50:42] | wagnerrp: | since there are no symlinks in /proc, well that wouldn't work for the 129-directory path you were hitting last night |
| [18:50:42] | Beirdo: | there are funky ways for that to break |
| [18:51:01] | Beirdo: | there are *some* symlinks in proc, it seems, I misspoke |
| [18:51:05] | Beirdo: | there didn't used to be |
| [18:51:06] | Russ: | any directory entry that tells you it is procfs or sysfs, bail |
| [18:51:18] | Russ: | you can stat the directory entry to check the fs |
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| [18:51:28] | Russ: | er, proc, not procfs |
| [18:51:43] | wagnerrp: | id rather not have multiple checks for specific scenarios |
| [18:52:23] | kisak: | On mythtv 0.25, is it safe/sane to run optimize_mythdb.pl daily without supervision? |
| [18:52:54] | Russ: | just copy whatever /bin/find does :p |
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| [18:54:03] | wagnerrp: | im just reluctant to do the 'check for X filesystem', since that would mean adding in ifdefs and specific code for each supported platform |
| [18:54:07] | Beirdo: | Russ: it gets too complex too fast |
| [18:54:37] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, although blanket exception for /proc and /sys likely won't hurt |
| [18:54:53] | Beirdo: | We'll see if we can find a more fool-proof way though |
| [18:54:59] | wagnerrp: | but that would only work for linux |
| [18:55:04] | wagnerrp: | not bsd/solaris/osx |
| [18:55:12] | Beirdo: | no, that would work on all |
| [18:55:13] | wagnerrp: | and the command likely wouldnt even work for windows |
| [18:55:22] | Beirdo: | bsd/solaris/osx have /proc and /sys |
| [18:55:27] | Beirdo: | or can |
| [18:55:31] | wagnerrp: | by different names, likely |
| [18:55:42] | wagnerrp: | on freebsd, its linprocfs |
| [18:55:59] | Russ: | a per platform list of filesystems to skip is pretty basic though, no? |
| [18:56:01] | Beirdo: | mounted at /proc, right? |
| [18:56:17] | Beirdo: | I'm saying block it by mountpoint, not filesystem type |
| [18:56:22] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [18:56:32] | wagnerrp: | that could do it |
| [18:56:40] | Beirdo: | if it starts with /proc or /sys, ignore it completely |
| [18:57:05] | Beirdo: | the worst that could happen is some dork puts their video dir on /sys/blah on a non-linux machine :) |
| [18:57:17] | Beirdo: | and gets no videos :) |
| [18:57:34] | Russ: | Beirdo, just use stat, insane people can mount /proc or /sys anywhere, especially if they have some chroots |
| [18:57:36] | wagnerrp: | but then you may as well add /, /dev, probably some others |
| [18:57:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, using the filesystem type is nasty |
| [18:58:09] | Beirdo: | but for sure, the checking for cycles/looping in the path is still necessary |
| [18:58:21] | Beirdo: | and I think we have some form of that in master already |
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| [18:59:10] | Russ: | er, statfs, not sta |
| [18:59:14] | Russ: | t |
| [18:59:25] | Beirdo: | again, not portable |
| [19:00:54] | Russ: | bummer |
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| [19:04:22] | kisak: | where did the maintence script to check for files that did not belong in my mythtv repo go? |
| [19:04:43] | wagnerrp: | was there one? |
| [19:04:53] | wagnerrp: | i thought .gitignore was supposed to handle all that |
| [19:05:03] | kisak: | I've used some sort of cleanup script in past years |
| [19:05:26] | kisak: | my video repository |
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| [19:05:49] | wagnerrp: | by 'repo', i thought you meant 'source repository' |
| [19:05:58] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [19:05:59] | kisak: | my miscommunication |
| [19:08:31] | kisak: | hmm ... seems fancier than I remember |
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| [19:09:01] | wagnerrp: | i rewrote the old script a year or so back to scan using the backend protocol, rather than the filesystem |
| [19:09:19] | wagnerrp: | so its a blanked scan of the whole mythtv system, rather than that specific backend |
| [19:09:28] | wagnerrp: | blanket |
| [19:09:56] | kisak: | it doesn't make changes on it's own, right? |
| [19:10:08] | wagnerrp: | not until you tell it to |
| [19:10:12] | kisak: | s/it's/its/ |
| [19:11:04] | kisak: | that's good, I've got a record group in a record group from when a couple hard drives were consolidated |
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| [19:16:24] | Eddie70: | Hi, everyone. I am facing some problem with my analog tv system. (ticket 8525). Is daniel-kristjansson online? |
| [19:17:14] | Eddie70: | I meant 9825. |
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| [19:19:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i honestly cant find where the mediamonitor hooks into the scanner code |
| [19:20:04] | Eddie70: | I'd just like to ask about the two patches on that ticket. By applying them the problem reported on the ticket was gone. May I ask why they were not commited officially? I think recent commits broke my saa7134 capture. |
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| [19:21:21] | wagnerrp: | you can ping him in the dev channel (#mythtv), but hes idle at the moment |
| [19:21:27] | _Anomaly: | here we go :) |
| [19:21:34] | _Anomaly: | I hope I'm in the right place now..... |
| [19:23:18] | wagnerrp: | _Anomaly: if you dont know much about mythtv, you may want to start with http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [19:23:19] | Eddie70: | Thanks. I've got to learn how to use this program first! |
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| [19:24:58] | _Anomaly: | I've got a book called Linux Toys |
| [19:25:08] | _Anomaly: | I've had it for 2 + years |
| [19:25:33] | _Anomaly: | and I read all about it then and just never had the time to actually sit down and put it together |
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| [19:28:33] | kisak: | (bump on my first question) On mythtv 0.25, is it safe/sane to run optimize_mythdb.pl daily without supervision? |
| [19:30:04] | kisak: | thanks for revamping that script wagnerrp |
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| [19:41:42] | _Anomaly: | wagnerrp %> I'm reading system requirements and see that the ram doesn't have to be much at all.... but my question is .... is there an older version that might run on a Pent Pro 220 with 64 megs of ram? |
| [19:42:28] | _Anomaly: | I've got 10 Pent Pros that used to be servers for Seimans Corp many years ago |
| [19:42:36] | _Anomaly: | they all run and have Win 2000 on them |
| [19:42:54] | _Anomaly: | of couse I'm going to wipe the Win and put DSL Linux |
| [19:43:24] | kisak: | wagnerrp: find_orphans.py finds 3 recordings with missing files, the first two do not appear in the frontends and the third plays fine in the frontends |
| [19:44:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: the scanner doesn't use the media monitor code-- but the video list building code does |
| [19:45:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm inclined to just remove mediamonitor support from the list building-- we want to move away from filesystem support, not towards it |
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| [19:48:59] | _Anomaly: | so is a PreFect.... before the Defect? Or just cause you couldn't get the nick PerFect? |
| [19:49:02] | _Anomaly: | :) |
| [19:49:42] | _Anomaly: | I keed I keed |
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| [19:51:00] | Eddie70: | 'Prefect' by Alastair Raynolds is a great book... |
| [19:53:28] | kisak: | Ford Prefect, a really hoopy frood |
| [19:56:58] | Eddie70: | About the filesystem support removal, I couldn't agree more, I'm looking forward to when everything is through the myth protocol (icons, tv recs, music, well, you know, you are the devs!) |
| [19:57:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: media monitor removed from video list building |
| [19:58:25] | iamlindoro: | Eddie70: We're actually referring to something different, but the support for moving towards Storage Groups only, a separate topic, is noted and appreciated ;) |
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| [20:04:46] | wagnerrp: | _Anomaly: you want to run mythtv on a PPro with 64MB of memory? |
| [20:04:53] | wagnerrp: | that may have been sufficient five years ago |
| [20:05:02] | wagnerrp: | but today, youre going to want far more than that |
| [20:05:26] | _Anomaly: | ok |
| [20:05:27] | wagnerrp: | minimum for a combined frontend/backend should be 1GB, 2GB would be better |
| [20:05:54] | _Anomaly: | I was asking if there are available still older software that would work on that? |
| [20:05:56] | wagnerrp: | for broadcast digital in north america, just about any athlon64 or core2 2GHz or better should cut it |
| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
| [20:06:40] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially run a dedicated backend on that |
| [20:06:51] | _Anomaly: | cause I got paper weights right now and would like to use them |
| [20:06:51] | wagnerrp: | but youre going to be swapping with a stock linux distribution |
| [20:06:57] | wagnerrp: | much less one running a backend |
| [20:07:07] | wagnerrp: | and your scheduler performance would be horrendous |
| [20:07:46] | wagnerrp: | hardware that old is better off sent to the scrap yard |
| [20:08:31] | jams: | recycle not scrap :) |
| [20:09:28] | wagnerrp: | heh, ive actually got a pile of old hardware sitting in a closet waiting for me to get around to finding some place that will recycle them |
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| [20:10:12] | _Anomaly: | I want to recycle it..... and have a use for it as the recycle |
| [20:10:15] | Eddie70: | Don't we all... |
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| [20:10:34] | kisak: | there' |
| [20:10:41] | kisak: | there's a computer graveyard here |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | _Anomaly: the most you could hope for would be using it as a router/firewall |
| [20:11:48] | _Anomaly: | Yeah I thought about doing that too |
| [20:11:53] | _Anomaly: | I've got 10 |
| [20:11:54] | kisak: | 10/100, gigabit would be at diminished capacity |
| [20:11:59] | jams: | got an acquaintance who started a recylcing buisness. So much easier now to drop it off now then it was before. |
| [20:12:24] | jams: | wagnerrp- next time your driving through milwaukee you can drop the stuff off with him :) |
| [20:13:12] | kisak: | _Anomaly: really, windows 2000 might have the most potential vs amount of hassle |
| [20:13:58] | wagnerrp: | kisak: not sure what would cause that |
| [20:14:01] | _Anomaly: | I want to totally convert over the Linux..... I have to keep a couple Win Boxes going for my clients but I'm making the change over to Linux |
| [20:14:11] | kisak: | they would be great for a retro lan party setup |
| [20:14:18] | _Anomaly: | lol |
| [20:14:37] | _Anomaly: | run The Legend of Zelda on it |
| [20:14:44] | kisak: | 10 duke nukem clients |
| [20:14:51] | _Anomaly: | lol |
| [20:15:33] | wagnerrp: | no, i bet i know what the problem is |
| [20:15:46] | wagnerrp: | kisak: do you have more than one backend? |
| [20:15:56] | kisak: | no, one backend |
| [20:16:33] | wagnerrp: | scratch that then... |
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| [20:50:43] | Beirdo: | oh that was smart |
| [20:51:05] | Beirdo: | ls -al in a directory with 100k+ files... remotely over ssh over DSL |
| [20:51:16] | RingtailedFox: | lol |
| [20:51:20] | ** Beirdo waits for it to finish ** | |
| [20:52:33] | baffle: | Beirdo: SSH in and kill the ls? :) |
| [20:52:50] | Beirdo: | nah, the delay was the ssh catching up to the ls |
| [20:53:03] | Beirdo: | I hit Ctrl-C, and it caught after ls was done |
| [20:53:51] | Beirdo: | hehe, I forgot the -C on the ssh |
| [20:54:20] | wagnerrp: | still, that shouldnt have been more than 1–2MB |
| [20:54:29] | Beirdo: | makes a huge difference on remote X sessions |
| [20:54:50] | wagnerrp: | well, probably double that |
| [20:55:19] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt have taken that long unless its a very slow DSL connection |
| [20:55:28] | Beirdo: | 800kbit up |
| [20:55:38] | Beirdo: | it took a while to catch up though |
| [20:56:16] | Beirdo: | OK, how long is a commercial break, usually? |
| [20:56:25] | wagnerrp: | 3–5 minutes |
| [20:56:33] | Beirdo: | that's what I thought. |
| [20:56:35] | wagnerrp: | shorter during sports games |
| [20:56:39] | wagnerrp: | longer on anything TNT |
| [20:56:51] | Beirdo: | 180–300s usually... OK |
| [20:57:16] | wagnerrp: | i think there's already a setting to assume anything >600s is wrong |
| [20:57:36] | Beirdo: | so that's ~5400 to ~9000 frames |
| [20:58:14] | Beirdo: | K. just looking at my graph of black pixels (histogram bin 0) per frame |
| [20:58:47] | Beirdo: | which was the 100k files... 50k frames... histogram data file, cross-correlation data file |
| [20:59:33] | Beirdo: | and now I wait for it to redraw. |
| [20:59:38] | Beirdo: | curse remote X :) |
| [20:59:56] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [21:00:20] | Beirdo: | I can see black frames quite easily... 90%+ of the pixels are black. |
| [21:00:50] | Beirdo: | and funny enough, black frames cross-correlate VERY heavily with each other too :) |
| [21:01:32] | Beirdo: | got a segment around 45000 frames in where the frames have around 0 black pixels |
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| [21:01:49] | Beirdo: | I'm betting that's in commercials... like T-Mobile, maybe |
| [21:01:52] | Beirdo: | white + pink |
| [21:02:09] | Beirdo: | I should go look at the histograms around that point in time |
| [21:03:06] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [21:03:56] | Beirdo: | frame 46000 – 56% are in bin 63 (which would be white) |
| [21:05:06] | Beirdo: | 31% are in 42. which is #488 |
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| [21:06:02] | Beirdo: | which is aqua |
| [21:06:12] | Beirdo: | so... white and aqua. |
| [21:06:13] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [21:08:30] | Beirdo: | for about 83s |
| [21:08:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd say that looks commercial-like |
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| [23:07:43] | Muzer: | oh, been meaning to ask |
| [23:07:58] | Muzer: | are callsigns case-sensitive (when it uses them to figure out whether or not two channels are the same)? |
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| [23:11:22] | sphery: | definitely not in database comparisons, but will be in non-database comparisons |
| [23:11:37] | sphery: | meaning, you'll see indications of both behaviors--depending on which code is comparing |
| [23:11:50] | sphery: | so, for all practical purposes, they should be treated as case sensitive |
| [23:11:52] | sphery: | Muzer: ^^^ |
| [23:12:00] | Beirdo: | we could make the non-db ones be case insensitive, but I don't think we did consistently |
| [23:12:15] | sphery: | right |
| [23:12:33] | sphery: | just a lot of looking/reading/finding for a not-too-useful feature :) |
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| [23:12:44] | sphery: | but if someone submitted a patch, I'd be happy to review it! |
| [23:13:14] | Muzer: | ah, right, I'll have to change my two that are the same but different case, then |
| [23:13:43] | Muzer: | (I'm using a system of abbreviations to make up useful callsigns for British channels, as we don't have them in Britain, but they do seem to be useful) |
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| [23:23:15] | squidly: | I'm using lirc on an antec fustion but when I push any of my buttons the system reads it as I hit the button twice.. how can I fix that. I'm using the devinput modules with mythbuntu 11.04 |
| [23:24:18] | kisak: | hmm ... I have an inconsistency, mythfrontend says I have no deleted items while mythweb says I have 8,045MB of deleted recordings |
| [23:25:48] | squidly: | kisak: check your display filtering.. make sure it's set to show everything |
| [23:25:52] | sphery: | squidly: you have the kernel input driver installed, so it's treated as a keyboard, and you have lirc installed, and it's treated as a remote |
| [23:26:14] | sphery: | squidly: you need to run a single-line command that says to send the devinput events only to lirc |
| [23:27:24] | sphery: | squidly: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 |
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| [23:29:41] | kisak: | squidly: there's nothing being hidden by group filters |
| [23:30:30] | sphery: | kisak: mythfrontend never displays recordings in the deleted recording group |
| [23:30:53] | sphery: | kisak: Watch Recordings, MENU (once or twice, until you see) Change Group Filter, then select Deleted |
| [23:31:16] | kisak: | yes, and there is none listed, I cleared it earlier today |
| [23:31:44] | sphery: | when you say mythweb says you have 8TB deleted, where is this? |
| [23:32:01] | sphery: | er, 8GB |
| [23:32:17] | sphery: | do you mean mythweb or the backend status page? |
| [23:32:21] | kisak: | yes |
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| [23:32:37] | sphery: | which? |
| [23:33:08] | kisak: | the subset of Space Available After Auto-expire in the backend status page |
| [23:33:31] | sphery: | ok, that's the backend--not mythweb |
| [23:33:43] | sphery: | but that also means you have at least one recording in the Deleted recording group |
| [23:33:54] | sphery: | are you using US english locale? |
| [23:34:40] | sphery: | have you tried running find_orphans.py ? |
| [23:35:12] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [23:35:16] | kisak: | I'm sorry, http://mythbackend/mythweb/status -> Machine Information -> Disk Usage Summary -> Space Available After Auto-expire -> Space Used by Deleted Recordings |
| [23:35:26] | sphery: | yeah, that's the backend status page |
| [23:35:30] | sphery: | mythweb is just proxying it for you |
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| [23:35:49] | sphery: | just wanted to verify because I know how that works, so I know you do have a deleted recording |
| [23:35:50] | kisak: | I also ran find_orphans.py earlier today |
| [23:36:03] | kisak: | that would account for up to 150MB of oddities |
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| [23:36:35] | sphery: | I have a feeling you have a deletepending recording |
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| [23:37:24] | sphery: | can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM recorded WHERE recgroup = 'Deleted';" |
| [23:38:13] | kisak: | I'm going to have to delay for a couple minutes, the UPS on the router is being swapped out |
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| [23:51:13] | sphery: | hehe, so LoveFilm (Amazon's Netflix-like DVD-by-mail and video-on-demand arm in the UK, Germany, and Scandinavia) used Flash, which meant that GNU/Linux users could actually watch video from LoveFilm in their browser app. But as of Jan 1, 2012, they're switching to Silverlight--meaning no GNU/Linux support (just like Netflix). According to LoveFilm, they were strong-armed by the studios, who felt that Silverlight's security is better ... |
| [23:51:19] | sphery: | ... than Flash's. |
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| [23:52:03] | sphery: | hehe, HTML5 was considered, but "video streaming via HTML 5 is an open-sourced solution that is still maturing, and there are simply no security protections available within HTML 5 that would allow us to stream content securely" |
| [23:52:27] | sphery: | could it truly be that HTML5 video isn't the replacement for Flash that people claim it to be? never! |
| [23:52:55] | sphery: | so wonder what they (and Netflix) will do when MS drops Silverlight |
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| [23:56:30] | wagnerrp: | any idea what might cause an NFS mount to drop, but still list as being mounted? |
| [23:57:51] | squidly: | wagnerrp: NFS wont show it as being unmount even though the NFS server is not working. |
| [23:57:57] | squidly: | that or /etc/mtab is borked |
| [23:58:04] | wagnerrp: | the NFS server is working just fine |
| [23:58:12] | wagnerrp: | i have three other folders mounted from the NFS server without issue |
| [23:58:14] | squidly: | have you looked at /proc/mounts |
| [23:58:26] | wagnerrp: | lists the folder as being mounted |
| [23:58:43] | squidly: | hmm.. have you tried to reload the NFS server? |
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| [23:59:59] | wagnerrp: | no go |
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