Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 29th, 2011, 00:10 UTC

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I should probably normalize the histogram.

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Beirdo:

i.e. the same picture will look the same colorwise at different resolutions, but obviously the total counts will be based on resolution

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wagnerrp:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

'downforeveryoneorjustme' is down, went over their google quota

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[R]:

rofl

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wagnerrp:

http://isdownforeveryoneorjustmedownforeveryoneorjustme.com/

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wagnerrp:

!down www.google.com

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wagnerrp:

!url down www.google.com

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MythLogBot:

down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www%2Egoogle%2Ecom

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wagnerrp:

bah... was hoping it did its own check

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: your device is built, tested, and by the door to ship tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did that IP i sent you last night work?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

that was a quick soldering session, BTW. Took one side of an LP plus about 5min more

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

OK, now onto OpenCL fun again

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Beirdo:

I guess first I should setup the output dir :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well that sucked... my backend hung hard, and I had to do a hard reset — when she came back up, half my sql tables were corrupted... Tried to repair them, but they came back empty... So I had to restore from my daily 1am backup... (21 hours ago...) D'oh!

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's the first time that has happened in a LONG time...

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Jester86:

hey anyone here use apple TV to run a mythtv FE?

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[R]:

wheres wagnerrp when you need him...

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Jester86:

lol why do you say that [R] ?

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[R]:

cuz its an awful idea...

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Jester86:

I'm just looking for a cheap FE

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[R]:

so get an ion

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Jester86:

i can't find one for <$100

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Jester86:

I'm surprised no one has hacked any of the other set top boxes out there and got them to operate mythtv

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[R]:

oh man 140 on amazon

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[R]:

i got mine for like 75

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Jester86:

just the mobo?

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wagnerrp:

what set top boxes would you propose we hack?

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[R]:

yeah just the mobo

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, would an Asus O!Pay have the power?

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[R]:

someone actually made a frontend plugin for that

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wagnerrp:

sure if youve got linux drivers for the hardware video decoder

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[R]:

its crappy thoygh

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Jester86:

didn't silicon dust used to produce a STB that than analog out?

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wagnerrp:

and want to write mythtv support for said hardware decoder drivers

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[R]:

and port QT to it

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wagnerrp:

and want to rework mythfrontend to operate on that little amount of memory

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[R]:

Jester86: upnp for those crappy things work jsut fine

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, I dont give a shit about that specific piece of hardware.. i would assume out of all of the STBs there has to be something that would work well

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wagnerrp:

and you would assume wrong

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

STBs are all developed for embedded applications

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wagnerrp:

meaning they have a tiny little MIPS or ARM processor

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wagnerrp:

a meager bit of memory

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[R]:

that's what she said...

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wagnerrp:

a hardware video decoder

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, well then develop a STB and become rich!

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wagnerrp:

and an application custom designed to tie that specific hardware together

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Jester86:

that is until raspberry pi is released..

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wagnerrp:

not enough memory, and not a supported video decoder

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wagnerrp:

you wont get mythfrontend to run on 128MB of memory

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wagnerrp:

you dont really want to get mythtv to run on 256MB of memory if operating at HD resolutions

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, down the road later versions of raspberry pi will most likely have enough to run it

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[R]:

lol

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Jester86:

hmm

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[R]:

theres still the whole video decoder/crappy cpu problem

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wagnerrp:

and that still depends on someone writing support for the video decoder

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Jester86:

yeah true

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wagnerrp:

because you arent going to do anything on that CPU

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Beirdo:

don't look at me

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Jester86:

well then I need to find a cheap zotac lol

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wagnerrp:

simply put, mythtv is designed to run on a relatively modern PC

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wagnerrp:

if you try to shoehorn it into an embedded system, youre not going to have a good time

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Jester86:

i've seen some videos of it seemingly running alright on apple TVs.. but havent seen it first hand

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but they are modern embedded systems...

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wagnerrp:

if you run at a lowish resolution, and use a theme without a bunch of artwork, it can be done

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wagnerrp:

but youre still stuck with that 1GHz Pentium M

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to do anything HD on that unless you swap the wireless for a crystalhd decoder

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Jester86:

just ordered my HP photosmart 7510

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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Jester86:

alright.. fine.. you have me sold on getting a real PC

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Jester86:

lol

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wagnerrp:

802.11b/g/n, but no wired ethernet?

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Jester86:

my gf and I needed a printer.. didnt want to spend a lot

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wagnerrp:

so i guess this is for people who walk around the house with their printer?

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Jester86:

haha

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Jester86:

well I have a rental so everything other than the main mythbox is wireless

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Jester86:

with a 3 channel draftn router its pretty decent

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** wagnerrp is against unnecessary use of spectrum **

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Jester86:

why is that? Don't want your testicles to glow?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i like printing while on the toilet

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wagnerrp:

no, because wireless devices necessarily conflict with other wireless devices

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Jester86:

[R], thats what i plan to do.. take pictures of my shit and send it to the printer thru my mobile

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wagnerrp:

so, if youre using a device that is not going to move, give it a wire

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, you can always plug it in thru a PC..

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wagnerrp:

that way, youre not wasting spectrum that could be used for other devices inconvenient to tie down

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Jester86:

but where it will be located here, there will be no wired connection av

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Jester86:

rental house with NO data drops

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Jester86:

just phone drops :-\

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt matter, HP didnt even give you an option

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Jester86:

though they are dual phone drops..

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wagnerrp:

and its not like it would add more than $0.15 to that thing to give it a 10/100 ethernet port

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, it still has USB

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Jester86:

you could wire up an arduino if you really want a wired connection

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Jester86:

yeah true

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** wagnerrp has tasted the sweet sweet nectar of networked printers, and will never go back **

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wagnerrp:

NEVER I SAY!

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Jester86:

hell give it a 10/100/1000.. don't even know if they still make 10/100

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Jester86:

haha

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wagnerrp:

because it doesnt harm anything

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wagnerrp:

10 and 100mbit gear will connect just fine to an autoscaling gigabit device

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wagnerrp:

and it has no effect on the rest of the network

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wagnerrp:

unlike stuff like conflicting b/g/n networks in the same 2.4GHz spectrum

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** J-e-f-f-A has all networked printers too. ;-) **

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Jester86:

yeah i know that.. but i dont know if they still manufacture 10/100 anymore. i mean realistically at this point its the same hardware, just different firmware

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Beirdo:

ummm, no it isn't

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Beirdo:

thou talkest outta thine arse

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs! **

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Jester86:

i had a 10/100 card that worked as a 10/100/1000 with the linux driver right off the bat, then in windows about a year later there was a driver update that enabled 10/100/1000

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wagnerrp:

gigabit hardware still requires significantly higher tolerances, operates at a much higher frequency, and eats a lot more power

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J-e-f-f-A:

and uses all 4 pairs of the cable, not just 2.

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Jester86:

I still bet that at this point any nic card you buy is theoretically capable of supporting a 10/100/1000 connection

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Beirdo:

who the heck buys NICs anymore?

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Jester86:

why would a manufacturer operate two sets of machinery when they could simply throw a flag in the firmware to limit to 10/100?

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Beirdo:

because it's cheaper to make 10/100

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Jester86:

just like my mobo that used to have an 8GB ram limit until i updated the bios.. now its happily running 16gb

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wagnerrp:

when the production process to make the older part is sufficiently cheaper to make it worthwhile

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Jester86:

Beirdo, its only cheaper if you don't already have / need the 10/100/1000 manufacturing equipment

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86: but if that MB didn't have the additional address line physically connected from the chipset to the ram socket, even if the chipset supported 16GB, you couldn't use it in your MB.

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Jester86:

same reason why there for a while the vast majority of dual core processors were really quad core that had at least one core out of tolerance

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wagnerrp:

amd sold triple core processors like that, intel just discarded theirs

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

think what you want.

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Jester86:

J-e-f-f-A, which makes me wonder why they didn't support 16G right off the bat.. maybe the software side was lagging behind the hardware upon release?

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[R]:

Jester86: that was a lot of chips that just fails spec

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wagnerrp:

Jester86: short sighted programming, nothing more

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[R]:

Jester86: oh, that what you said, i missed the end

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wagnerrp:

when the board was released, the largest dimms you could buy limited that machine to 8GB

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Beirdo:

they just did it to make people speculate why later.

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wagnerrp:

so why bother making it support more

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86: for the same reason that Bill Gates once said "640K of memory will be more than enough for anyone"

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[R]:

dun dun dun

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[R]:

ALIENS

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, intel didn't discard.. they just disabled the two worst cores

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wagnerrp:

for CPUs, it makes sense to manufacture one part, and disable stuff to scale

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wagnerrp:

because CPU manufacturers run their own semiconductor fabs

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Beirdo:

and because silicon is never perfect

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wagnerrp:

disabling stuff like that allows them to run fewer fabs, and sell of their old ones

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Jester86:

yes.. and nic card manufacturers have to train the children in china how to assemble.. its far easier to train them out to assemble one model and just vary the firmware thats uploaded lol

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wagnerrp:

when youre a lowly chip designer like realtek, you farm manufacturing out to someone else

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wagnerrp:

so its no additional cost to you to keep those old lithographs around, and manufacture the old parts

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Jester86:

like the children in hollowed out trees n china?

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Jester86:

but you are right.. it wouldn't have added much cost for HP to add an ethernet port... but for the price, i'm not going to bitch about the specs

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Jester86:

I just paid $135 for one shipped

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Jester86:

and it should arrive in business days

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** wagnerrp will continue complaining about being pushed into a needlessly wireless society **

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Jester86:

B&H have pretty good holidays sales going on for the next 54 minutes..

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, whats a little cancer between friends?

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wagnerrp:

LTE is already pretty damn close to the theoretical peak spectral efficiency

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wagnerrp:

we cant do any better, were done

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Jester86:

oh we'll figure out a way

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wagnerrp:

the only recourse is to start shifting heavily into beamforming, so we can allow more connections in the same physical space

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Jester86:

we always do..

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Jester86:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

beamforming means electronically controlled phased arrays

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, what do you do as a career?

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wagnerrp:

which in turn means expensive controllable phase shifters, or independent transmitters for each antenna element

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Beirdo:

schools fools?

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wagnerrp:

both means significantly increased prices as we push into N and beyond

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wagnerrp:

Jester86: rocket scientist

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Jester86:

yes but as with all things with time and demand the costs will come down

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Jester86:

a generation from now it'll be common place and i'm sure obsolete

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wagnerrp:

my point is... wireless is an inherently limited space

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wagnerrp:

theres only so much spectrum available, and we can only split it up so many ways

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[R]:

30ghz

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[R]:

muhaha

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wagnerrp:

so why add devices that suck down spectrum if they dont need to?

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[R]:

50ghz

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Beirdo:

what's a ghz?

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wagnerrp:

wont go through walls, wont go through people, wont go through a couple sheets of paper...

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Beirdo:

the unit is GHz

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Beirdo:

:)

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[R]:

thats good that it wont go through me

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, i'm not disagreeing with you from an engineers perspective however... from the manufacturers perspective.. every $0.0002 saved is more profit

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Jester86:

any of you know anyone who works for CREE LED?

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J-e-f-f-A:

What's a Jiggawatt?

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wagnerrp:

of course the manufacturer could see the bigger picture, and not try to eek out that last 0.001% margin

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Jester86:

i've been considering throwing my resume around.. i work in building design and i'm damned tired of it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: for caching binary compiled OpenCL stuff.. you think ~/.mythtv/... is the best location?

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Jester86:

wagnerrp, do you work in the private sector? All they care about is the here and now

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Beirdo:

the sources will be in PREFIX/share/mythtv/mythgpucommflag/

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: only place you can be assured of write access

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wagnerrp:

most people are going to be running non-root, and not be able to write to $PREFIX/share

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Beirdo:

yeah, unless I make an SG, which I don't wanna do (it would be pointless)

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was my thinking too

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Beirdo:

K

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wagnerrp:

s/most people are going to/everyone should/

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Beirdo:

always good to get confirmation :)

[04:15:09]

wagnerrp:

for sharing among multiple identical machines?

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Beirdo:

yah, that would just be silliness

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wagnerrp:

i think it would just be a recipe for complications, for negligible additional gain

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Beirdo:

agreed

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Beirdo:

~/.mythtv/ it is

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Beirdo:

source in PREFIX/share, compiled versions in ~/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

right now, it would be what... about a minute, once per machine, any time they update their packages?

[04:17:25]

Beirdo:

yep, about that

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Jester86:

solar power.. the biggest hoax

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: just a thought... you could add a command line flag to generate those and exit

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Beirdo:

Jester86: what does that have remotely to do with mythtv?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not practical yet

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

they are currently not centrally located. But that would be a not bad idea once they are

[04:18:49]

Jester86:

Beirdo, EVERYTHING.. I want to run a mythtv FE/BE off solar so i could put it on my boat

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[R]:

i'm on a boat...

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Jester86:

just record OTA

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Beirdo:

they are loaded from the function where they are needed

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Beirdo:

and kept in memory

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Jester86:

[R], do you climb buoys?

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wagnerrp:

im talking about something packagers could have as the last task on update

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[R]:

Jester86: haha

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Beirdo:

I was planning to change that to preload em all, at which point that would work

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Beirdo:

yeah, no point

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Jester86:

alright well i'm going to head to bed

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wagnerrp:

user installs the package, and the package takes a couple extra minutes to spawn all that extra stuff

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Beirdo:

the compiling is very dependant on the system it's running on

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Jester86:

piece out my bothers from multiples other mothers

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Beirdo:

oooh, I get you

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Beirdo:

yeah, a definite possibility

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i could maybe see $5, but $27?

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[R]:

you know, i had a teacher in school who was from canada

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[R]:

and he said sphere funny

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[R]:

and we would all laugh

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wagnerrp:

instead of... ball?

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[R]:

the way he pronounced it

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[R]:

shfeer

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[R]:

wtf is ATSC-T

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iamlindoro:

mobile ATSC

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iamlindoro:

sorry, that's ATSC-M

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iamlindoro:

in that case, I have no idea

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iamlindoro:

maybe a backronym for the terrestrial version

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[R]:

i googled it and thinsg showed up

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noisymouse:

what do you do if you have a channel that isn't listed in your sd lineup?

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wagnerrp:

contact SD and get it added

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noisymouse:

if I put in the xml id will it work?

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wagnerrp:

only if your lineup has a channel with that xmltvid

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noisymouse:

ok

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noisymouse:

how can I get tuning info (it's a digital channel)

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wagnerrp:

scan

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noisymouse:

keybinding?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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noisymouse:

dpesm

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RingtailedFox:

hiya, guys... i'm running setup on my Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600, and the analog half sets up just fine.. the digital half, though.. for frontend ID, it says "ERROR_OPEN"...

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RingtailedFox:

what would cause this?

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wagnerrp:

something else already using that card

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RingtailedFox:

but... nothing's using it...

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wagnerrp:

clearly something is, or it wouldnt be open

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RingtailedFox:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

try lsof

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RingtailedFox:

whoa, screenfulls of text..

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RingtailedFox:

gonna try lsof > lsof.txt to put it into a textfile..

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wagnerrp:

grep for /dev/dvb

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RingtailedFox:

"grep for /dev/dvb/" returns nothing

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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sphery:

wagnerrp: $27?

[05:22:14]

wagnerrp:

'lsof | grep /dev/dvb'

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wagnerrp:

minecraft

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Beirdo:

hah

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RingtailedFox:

that's also blank

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Beirdo:

minecraft... I have a coworker that yacks on and on and on about it to anyone who will listen.

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sphery:

ahh, heh, it was 25% cheaper when I bought :)

[05:23:48]

sphery:

but would have been worth the $27

[05:24:01]

sphery:

(only if you have a group of friends who play it with you, though)

[05:24:14]

wagnerrp:

nah, i fully expect i would bore of it after a couple hours

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sphery:

far more exciting as just a place to hang out than as a game itself

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Beirdo:

why bother? You have IRC :)

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sphery:

and my time would be better spent on mythtv (at least help more people)

[05:25:26]

RingtailedFox:

so.... nothing's using the card, yet it claims it's open

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** sphery thinks it's actually claiming there's an error when it tries to open the card **

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sphery:

i.e. the card isn't properly set up/drivers not installed/firmware not found/...

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RingtailedFox:

the firmware's in /lib/firmware/, and the driver (cx18) is a kernel module

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sphery:

or, one other reason it could error is if something else had it open

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RingtailedFox:

but, grep and lsof showed nothing else had it open

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sphery:

test it outside of mythtv with linuxtv dvb apps and see what errors you get there

[05:27:14]

sphery:

(and check dmesg)

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sphery:

but, basically, something else's using it is only one possibility of many

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RingtailedFox:

dmesg is empty

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wagnerrp:

there can be issues where something didnt close it properly

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wagnerrp:

left the device hanging

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RingtailedFox:

what would fix that?

[05:28:25]

wagnerrp:

cycling the kernel module might fix it

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RingtailedFox:

how do i cycle a kernel module?

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sphery:

first try using linuxtv dvb apps

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sphery:

*scan and *zap

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RingtailedFox:

linuxtv-dvb-apps is not available for my distro

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sphery:

no clue what they call it

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wagnerrp:

not available? what is your distro?

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RingtailedFox:

the only one i found was linuxtv-dvb-apps-1.1.0.20040221–1mdk91.i586.rpm

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RingtailedFox:

mageia (fork of mandriva)

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RingtailedFox:

is that the most-recent edition? that's for mandrake 9.1

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Led_Hed:

will a 0.24 frontend work with a 0.24.1 backend?

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[R]:

Led_Hed: no

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wagnerrp:

maybe

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt

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RingtailedFox:

oh, hmm. mageia came with dvb-apps installed already

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RingtailedFox:

so... which program should i run?

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sphery:

well, it's listed as a legacy app at http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/ (and the version I have/newest version is 1.1.1)

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Led_Hed:

k. thanks

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sphery:

seems there's a still-updated repo at http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps ... So guess they just don't do tarballs anymore

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RingtailedFox:

ok

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RingtailedFox:

i... how would i use that?

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RingtailedFox:

make on the 1.1.1. tarball works right up to the end, when it throws an error

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RingtailedFox:

gcc -g -O2 -W -Wall -I../include video.c -o video

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RingtailedFox:

video.c:24:28: fatal error: linux/videodev.h: No such file or directory

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sphery:

yeah, new tarballs from Hg, per http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps

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sphery:

dvb-apps is what you want

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sphery:

no need to build the old one

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sphery:

just use it like at the above wiki page

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sphery:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps

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sphery:

i.e. choose the app you need in the section "/util directory" (where it shows scan/dvbscan and *zap)

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sphery:

then run it as described on the scan/dvbscan/*zap page

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sphery:

chances are you'll see the error just using scan

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RingtailedFox:

[root@localhost dvbscan]# ./dvbscan

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RingtailedFox:

Failed to open frontend

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sphery:

you need to provide a frequency table, too

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sphery:

i.e. something like dvbscan /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

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RingtailedFox:

same error

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sphery:

but it sounds like you don't have permissions set properly on your dvb devices

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RingtailedFox:

i'm root! what's higher than root? tux?

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sphery:

ok, then I'm back to your card/drivers/firmware/... isn't installed properly

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RingtailedFox:

hmm. how do i make sure?

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sphery:

anything in dmesg after trying?

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RingtailedFox:

*(that the drivers and firmware are installed?

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sphery:

if not, your guess is as good as mine

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RingtailedFox:

no, just a message from shorewall, which i should probably disable (system-messages, that is)

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sphery:

i.e. we're both guessing blindly without some useful error message

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sphery:

but start with looking at your /dev/dvb directory structure

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sphery:

make sure it has things

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RingtailedFox:

directory /dev/dvb/ has adapter0/ which has four items:

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RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 4 Nov 28 22:40 demux0

[05:43:52]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 5 Nov 28 22:40 dvr0

[05:43:52]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 3 Nov 28 22:40 frontend0

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RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 7 Nov 28 22:40 net0

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wagnerrp:

is the user you ran mythtv-setup as in the 'video' group?

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RingtailedFox:

yes

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sphery:

what card is this?

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RingtailedFox:

Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600

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sphery:

this sounds a lot like I remember the HVR-2250 doing when I had only one of the multiple firmware files it needed in place

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sphery:

the one allowed it to load the driver and create the devices, but they were unusable without the others

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RingtailedFox:

i have all of them in /lib/firmware/

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sphery:

then I'm out of guesses

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RingtailedFox:

should i change the permissions of the firmware files?

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RingtailedFox:

this has angered me

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sphery:

if it's any consolation, once you figure out what the problem is, you'll wonder how you could have missed it in the first place

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sphery:

but until you get the device working, obviously mythtv won't be able to use it (or even configure it)

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sphery:

could try just rebooting to see if that helps

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RingtailedFox:

not really, sphery

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RingtailedFox:

it's done this without me doing anything

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sphery:

will reload everything (in such a way that you don't even have to figure out how to do it yourself)

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RingtailedFox:

and occasionally resolves itself with me doing nothing, too

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RingtailedFox:

rebooting? i've done that like... 5 times today

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sphery:

well, you still haven't figured out what the problem is

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RingtailedFox:

i know

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Led_Hed:

so DVD-Ripping has been removed from 0.24, whats the best way to RIP DVD's (DVD's I own and am entitled to backup)?

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wagnerrp:

people seem to recommend handbrake or makemkv for linux machines

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Beirdo:

OK, I have it saving binaries

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Led_Hed:

thanks wagnerrp I'll check out handbreak.

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wagnerrp:

or if youve got something that can decrypt the isos and store then to disk, that would be ideal

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Beirdo:

although I need to rename the fiels

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sphery:

handbrake

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sphery:

it stops your need to put discs in the drive--it doesn't destroy discs :)

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blscearce:

+wagnerrp thank you for the help this morning — picked up the HDHomeRun Prime on the way home from work tonight and got it mostly set up

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Beirdo:

OK, I have binary loading in place

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Beirdo:

and I realize I need another hash

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Beirdo:

as in QMap or QHash

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Beirdo:

BTW, SOOO much faster

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Blaksmith:

wagnerrp, hmm, so far, changing to TS recording is good, except about 1/4 is a fail to play on the PS3 .... 2 back to back shows of Who's Line is it Anyway, the first one showed corrupted data, but he 2nd plays just fine

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dekarl_zzz:

wagnerrp: thanks for the mark, will keep it in mind when looking into moving the backend storage to ZFS

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

like 3ms to load binary from disk... 1ms to load from the hash

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** justinh ROFFLES profusely **

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justinh:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/28/ubuntu_tv/

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justinh:

are they taking the pee or what? http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/#

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justinh:

so this was the big 'announcement' that was coming.. where mythtv devs had allegedly been approached

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justinh:

course it had all the key words in there. Cloud. Social. Cloud. yada yada

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justinh:

I just don't get the rush to control everything with a tablet or phone

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wagnerrp:

ok... trak now disallows _any_ use of URL shorteners

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wagnerrp:

any least any by those i managed to find and record to the regex filter

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wagnerrp:

why are there so damn many of them?

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justinh:

because people keep blocking them

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justinh:

and folks have an inherent mistrust of them

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wagnerrp:

no they dont

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wagnerrp:

they should, but they dont

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justinh:

though any decent app can show you a preview of the lengthened URL before you click

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to preview it?

[09:12:26]

wagnerrp:

that would mean you have to go there in the first place

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justinh:

some of the services have an API which returns the real URL I think

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wagnerrp:

every one ive ever seen just does a 301 redirect

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wagnerrp:

or sometimes less correctly, a 302 redirect

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justinh:

tweetdeck & other apps can show you the real URL before you go there

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justinh:

I'm pretty sure there are browser plugins for that aswell

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wagnerrp:

but we shouldnt need that

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wagnerrp:

we should just be able to view the link itself, and make a decision whether or not to go there

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justinh:

we shouldn't need antivirus software or firewalls either

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justinh:

well, if sites like the likes of pcworld.com (just using them as an example) insist on having crazy long URLs...

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justinh:

and ebay.. jesus

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wagnerrp:

well then you paste the crazy long url

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justinh:

unless there's no room

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justinh:

I see your point. if it's just for the web.. no need to shorten any URL

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wagnerrp:

and if youre on a system thats not conducive to such things, you use a hyperlink, or have the software display a shortened version

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justinh:

anyway. there are now loads of URL shorteners

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wagnerrp:

or if youre on a system that restricts you to an absurdly few number of characters, just dont send it!

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justinh:

just like there are loads of image bin services now

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** wagnerrp eying twitter **

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** justinh eyes IRC. stupid antiquated crap **

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wagnerrp:

and yet irc somehow manages to break things into multiple lines automatically when they hit a limit

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justinh:

people who flood should get life bans

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wagnerrp:

plus the message length is a good 3x that of twitter

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justinh:

it's the client which breaks things up in chunks. when we end up seeing a user paste 3 months of backend log in channel, it's done 'sanely' so they don't get kicked.

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justinh:

*that* should be stopped

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wagnerrp:

the client just breaks it into 512b chunks, its freenode that rate limits how quickly they get pushed to members in the channel

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justinh:

why would anyone want to shove that much into a channel like that?

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justinh:

AFAIK the old doctrines disapprove of it & always have, so why enable it?

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wagnerrp:

because youre sending a long link to ebay or pcworld, and dont want to abuse people with a url shortener to an unknown destination

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wagnerrp:

:)

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** wagnerrp goes to bed **

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justinh:

should still kill people who paste logs though

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wagnerrp:

yeah, although bei rdo has been reluctant to give mythlogbot chanops, and the ability to kick/ban

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justinh:

didn't think freenode allowed it, tbh

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wagnerrp:

i think they do, but require special authorization

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justinh:

well, time to sever the tether for a while...

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Beirdo:

I don't recall any limit on bot permissions from the freenode end

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Beirdo:

VDPAU is kicking my arse right now. Wonder what I borked this time

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Beirdo:

git bisect time

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dekarl-too:

justinh: what a great concept, yet they are missing the attribution for the BBB shots. And what is BFB? Big Fat Button?

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Beirdo:

438310e92df2ae2e1d1d7d8d52ba2da5fe7f1cf6 is the first bad commit

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Beirdo:

I love git bisect :)

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Beirdo:

seems my histogram code is not working right on nvidia. sigh

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Beirdo:

like I bet I'm writing off the end of the buffer or something

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Beirdo:

fugh!

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ahhughez:

argh, for some random reason... mythwelcome says shutting down in 50... 40... 30... 20... 10.. 50... and just keeps cycling

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ahhughez:

its worked for ages but just stopped working :'( any ideas why? or where I can find logs?

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Beirdo:

Oooh, this is joyful

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Twiggy2cents:

Last night I had a show that has a recording rule for it not record. It wasnt even set to skip. The only filter I have is exclude repeat and generic episodes. When I remade the same rule it started recording the show. Also, it recorded fine last week.

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Twiggy2cents:

there were no conflicts

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Twiggy2cents:

Ohh, I rescaned channels. The thing is, the channel that is having the issues didnt change. But I have found one other issue on it.

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Twiggy2cents:

The channel in question is fox. But also House recorded just fine, and it was set to record anytime on channel WRSP-DT, just like the others that failed

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Beirdo:

problem solved... it wasn't VDPAU screwing me... it was my OpenCL kernel trying to write to index -1 and tromping on someone else's memory

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Beirdo:

ooops

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Beirdo:

I had the brainwave while I was TRYING to fall asleep

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Beirdo:

back to bed, dangit!

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Twiggy2cents:

Nope, nvm house was set to record one showing of this title each week. But in mythweb it showed like it did on the ones that didnt record.

[13:04:24]

Twiggy2cents:

So it seems that after scanning anything that depended on that channel was broken.

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ahhughez:

good evening peepz :)

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ahhughez:

does anyone here have a ps3 remote setup? I just bought one, but AFAIK there are two installation setups I could choose. I can't decided which is the most reliable and if the claimed 4 day battery life on the cakemote install is still true

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ahhughez:

cakemote == http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PS3_Remote

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ahhughez:

other == http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sony_PS3_BD_Remote

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BobLfoot:

Any have ideas as to why a Centos6-Mythtv0.24.1 would have audio issue in PBP if the audio is from 1080P video, but not if the audio is from 720P video or STD NTSC? By the way the audio card is onboard intel IHC9 and the intel hd driver appears when I lsmod.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, love it when someone posts a script to the wiki which purports to be a generic script, but sets all audio tracks as Stereo-Deutsch and compares chanids (which will be unique to that user's system) to a static list of German channels to determine what is commfree, etc.

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dekarl-too:

iamlindoro: I agree wrt the script, but then chanid defaults to the service_id which is unique per onid, so it's not that bad an idea. obviously simply looking at the commfree flag via the bash bindings would be better :D (Sorry, had to look at it because I thought he might be setting that flag based on the DVB ids or something interesting)

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iamlindoro:

dekarl-too: chanid isn't just service id

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dekarl-too:

hm, does it not default to the service_id?

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iamlindoro:

dekarl-too: chanid is a unique value which means on two different sources with the same service id, the chanids will be different

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dekarl-too:

I know that it will contain just about any free number, but for a system with one DVB source I thought that it would be quite close

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iamlindoro:

genereally speaking, it's prefixed by the sourceid number

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dekarl-too:

ahh, ok. yes thats what i meant.

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dekarl-too:

good idea, bad implementation because of lots of assumptions

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iamlindoro:

So you and your neighbor will only have identical chanids if you both set up the same sourceid number and have identical scans at an identical time, etc.

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dekarl-too:

I didnt notice the prefix for channels that didnt collide with existing chanids

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dekarl-too:

anyway, the right way would be to simply look at the flag

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i like how he decides to throw in a couple german error messages

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wagnerrp:

but most of them are in english

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wagnerrp:

dekarl_zzz: no, just bad idea

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wagnerrp:

commercial free status should be pulled from a database flag

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: down to milliseconds to load the OpenCL kernels (each) rather than seconds :)

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wagnerrp:

fancy

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sphery:

we'll call it Jiffy Pop

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wagnerrp:

why is the kernel the thing being hashed?

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wagnerrp:

are you just storing that value in some database table?

[18:20:26]

Beirdo:

nope, into a file in the compiled dir

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wagnerrp:

what im really asking is what are you using to uniquely identify the hardware, to match that system up to a specific hash, to get the right kernels?

[18:23:05]

sphery:

think he's querying OpenCL

[18:23:11]

vojta:

hi, is there any simple way how to delay start of mythtv-backend on startup with mythbuntu 11.10?

[18:24:06]

sphery:

is it starting before network or something?

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wagnerrp:

use an init system that respects dependencies

[18:24:31]

Yancho_:

guys i suppost tv-tuner not showing on mythtv is problem of ubuntu and not related to you ey ?

[18:24:52]

wagnerrp:

Yancho_: what card?

[18:25:08]

sphery:

or a problem of your (low level system) configuration, but yeah, not mythtv

[18:25:11]

vojta:

sphery, it seems before my tuners or drivers are assigned..

[18:25:16]

sphery:

ahhh

[18:25:17]

Beirdo:

sorry, got preoccupied with work :)

[18:25:18]

Yancho_:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion ctx918 this

[18:25:22]

sphery:

not sure how others deal with that

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wagnerrp:

Yancho_: you dont see a /dev/dvb/adapter<n> for it?

[18:25:50]

Beirdo:

the answer is... I do an SHA1 using first the GPU's name (as given by OpenCL), then the text of the kernel source file

[18:26:12]

sphery:

vojta: might want to check in #mythbuntu (but you'll have to be patient, there, since it's a much quieter channel)

[18:26:23]

wagnerrp:

ah, source... i thought you were hashing the compiled version

[18:26:29]

Yancho_:

wagnerrp, i dont have dvb folder under dev

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vojta:

sphery, ok, good idea, I'll try that, thanks

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wagnerrp:

Yancho_: then yes, it would be a #linuxtv or #ubuntu issue until you get a device mythtv can access

[18:27:01]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: no, I use the hash on the source :) if it matches, then I load the binary compiled version rather than compile the source

[18:27:02]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, upstart supports dependencies

[18:27:36]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: sure, but it always seems to have troubles starting the backend before network and tuner drivers are loaded

[18:28:04]

tgm4883:

well we depend on network and udev to finish starting, so that should be fine

[18:28:08]

sphery:

but it defaults to asynchronous startup, versus other inits that only do asynchronous when you tell them to

[18:28:11]

tgm4883:

we don't depend on mysql though

[18:28:24]

sphery:

i.e. "let's do it the hard way by default versus the safe way"

[18:28:44]

tgm4883:

sphery, I don't necessarily see that as the hard way

[18:28:48]

sphery:

he's having a problem with his capture card devices appearing too late

[18:28:50]

Beirdo:

I get files such as:

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tgm4883:

providing you know what you depend on

[18:28:58]

sphery:

hard in that it requires more configuration/planning/protection

[18:29:04]

Beirdo:

-rw-r--r-- 1 gjhurlbu gjhurlbu 277281 2011-11–29 01:58 GeForce_GTX_550_Ti-videoConvert.cl.bin

[18:29:11]

tgm4883:

sphery, for the packagers, not the users

[18:29:13]

Beirdo:

-rw-r--r-- 1 gjhurlbu gjhurlbu 40 2011-11–29 01:58 GeForce_GTX_550_Ti-videoConvert.cl.bin.sha1

[18:29:17]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:29:27]

sphery:

for anyone who creates an upstart script

[18:29:32]

sphery:

or whatever...

[18:30:05]

tgm4883:

he's on 11.10?

[18:30:19]

sphery:

anyway, I like the "do it the safe way, unless the packager was smart enough to do it to support asynchronous startup" approach

[18:30:38]

tgm4883:

not sure why it would start the backend before the cards are up then

[18:30:42]

sphery:

i.e. do it the safe way and let the packager decide to do it right--that way when users do something (and don't do it right), it still works

[18:31:09]

sphery:

vojta: btw, see tgm4883's comments (he knows his *buntu)

[18:31:49]

tgm4883:

well users shouldn't have to mess with upstart scripts though

[18:32:06]

tgm4883:

our's might for a few specific reasons

[18:32:29]

vojta:

I am reading it but I am not really understanding if there is a way or not...

[18:32:36]

tgm4883:

start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo and started udev-finish)

[18:32:42]

tgm4883:

that is what we start the backend on

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tgm4883:

that said, he can put a sleep in it if he wants

[18:33:35]

Beirdo:

mmmm, sleeeep

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tgm4883:

vojta, you will need to edit /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

[18:34:33]

tgm4883:

In there, there is already a .5 second sleep

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vojta:

tgm4883, yes, ok

[18:34:45]

tgm4883:

You can make that longer if you like, or put in another sleep somewhere else

[18:35:07]

tgm4883:

You'll need to reboot for it to take effect, although you would need to reboot to test it anyway from the sounds of it

[18:35:13]

vojta:

so if I change the sleep to let's say 20, it would be fine?

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tgm4883:

if this is the machine with mysql on it then yes, that should work. 20 is overkill, but it should work

[18:36:06]

vojta:

or perhaps 10 would do the job..

[18:37:21]

tgm4883:

that would probably work as well

[18:37:42]

vojta:

ok, thanks I am going to try it

[18:37:45]

tgm4883:

honestly, I don't reboot my backend often, so 20 should be fine as well. The only thing you're doing is making startup take longer

[18:38:38]

vojta:

yes, sure, for me 20 would not be a problem neither, but let's try first 10

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Beirdo:

who is in charge of the Mythbuntu theme?

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RingtailedFox:

ok. i figured something out

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RingtailedFox:

i used a live CD and kaffeine is able to work with my tuner on that....

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RingtailedFox:

yet, i still get DvbLinuxDevice::acquire: cannot open frontend "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0" when i try to access it

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BobLfoot:

Any have ideas as to why a Centos6-Mythtv0.24.1 would have audio issue in PBP if the audio is from 1080P video, but not if the audio is from 720P video or STD NTSC? By the way the audio card is onboard intel IHC9 and the intel hd driver appears when I lsmod.

[21:04:20]

[R]:

pbp?

[21:04:42]

BobLfoot:

Picture by Picture

[21:04:56]

[R]:

the video is pretty irrelevent

[21:04:57]

[R]:

what type of audio

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[R]:

and what does "audio issues" mean

[21:05:20]

[R]:

and if you aren't doing pip, it wokrs fine?

[21:07:16]

BobLfoot:

Works fine in standard viewing and in Picture in Picture but not Picture by Picture and seems to be related to stream quality somehow. the Issue is choppiness, audio starts, stops, starts .... about 1–2 seconds of audio at a time and it's all there eventually

[21:08:27]

[R]:

file a bug reprot with samples of the video

[21:08:42]

[R]:

are you sure its just not a cpu problem?

[21:09:47]

BobLfoot:

no I'm not at this point – was wondering if maybe it's driver or something. The mcahine is quad core and myth is all I was running so overload shouldn't be an issue, but can never be sure

[21:10:19]

[R]:

"shouldn't" doesnt mean anything

[21:10:35]

BobLfoot:

yeah I know need to repeat test and check top

[21:10:47]

[R]:

and quad core means nothing if the video is single sliced h264

[21:11:10]

sphery:

wow, in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2342#comment:15 I asked users to use a different ticket for their problem instead of a closed, 5-yr-old ticket, but today we get a "me too" on the old, closed ticket

[21:12:30]

sphery:

BobLfoot: are you using HDMI output with HDMI audio, too? might also be video card limitations

[21:13:28]

sphery:

or it may just be that the 1080p video actually has a specific audio format that's different from that in all the 720p/NTSC videos, and that one format is your problem and it's unrelated to video

[21:13:46]

sphery:

and what is the source of the 1080p, anyway?

[21:14:09]

BobLfoot:

sphery: nothing HDMI yet. This is nvidia fx8400gs video card and hauppage 1850 and 1600 tuners to HPw1907 monitor {1440x900}

[21:15:40]

sphery:

so the 1080p is likely actually 1080i (ATSC)

[21:15:57]

sphery:

unless you're re-encoding it, in which case, I'd suggest the problem is actually the reencoding

[21:16:29]

BobLfoot:

no reencoding just using mythtv watch tv function and activating PBP

[21:16:54]

sphery:

(and, yes, I realize ATSC allows 1080p24 and 1080p30, but I don't know of any sources that broadcast it--other than 1080i60 with telecining for 24fps content)

[21:17:48]

BobLfoot:

yeah they call it broadcast 1080 whatever that means

[21:18:01]

sphery:

well, between decoding and deinterlacing, handling 1080i material is a pretty resource-intensive process, so it could well be resource limitations

[21:18:52]

BobLfoot:

could be it was an issue with the 720 stuff until i switched from nouveau to nvidia-graphics from atrpms

[21:19:56]

sphery:

yeah, I don't know how well we handle vpdau fallback (since we can only do vdpau decoding of one stream) if you're using vdpau decoding, but it may be worth trying

[21:20:07]

sphery:

then, in theory, one show is decoded on the GPU and one on the CPU

[21:20:55]

BobLfoot:

well it's a nuisance not a must have, was just looking for ideas and got plenty of those thanks

[21:20:56]

sphery:

if you already are, it could be bad fallback behaviors (resulting in mythtv using a terrible playback profile for the software decode/deint one) that's causing problems

[21:21:00]

sphery:

or it could be resource issues

[21:21:18]

sphery:

on the bright side, PbP and PiP are a waste

[21:21:19]

sphery:

:)

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sphery:

just watch one show at a time (with audio) and use timestretch to watch 2 shows in the time it takes to watch one

[21:22:20]

BobLfoot:

exactally or record them, convert with ffmpeg usaer job to vga quality , place on thumb drive and watch at coffe shop or on lunch break

[21:22:31]

BobLfoot:

s/usaer/user/

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sphery:

(i.e. 1hr show, skip commercials, max of 42min content--but likely <40, possibly much less... assuming 42min content, playback at 1.25x with commercial skipping allows you to watch the hour-long show in <34min, at 1.5x in 28min, and at 1.75x in 24min)

[21:23:40]

[R]:

1.5x? is that really watchable?

[21:23:57]

sphery:

and, yeah, that works, too--or if you have a reasonable laptop, just copy over the whole HDTV show to the laptop HDD

[21:24:12]

sphery:

yeah, I watch nearly everything at 1.5x... shows that aren't so good at 1.75x

[21:24:24]

sphery:

some that I really like (like Supernatural) at 1.25x

[21:24:52]

BobLfoot:

so so @1.5 quite nice @1.2

[21:25:51]

sphery:

at 1.25x, you can't really tell unless you're looking for differences (i.e. song you know well plays, or they show a full-body shot of someone walking (arms and legs look wrong) or a physics-related event (such as a ball being thrown)), at 1.5x, you have to start paying attention, and at 1.75x, you're 100% focused on the show

[21:26:41]

BobLfoot:

I trained in broadcasting and theatre so 1.25 and faster feels unnatural

[21:27:13]

sphery:

if not for timestretch, I don't know how I'd handle: 1767 programs, using 7.3 TB (2 months 10 days 8 hrs 58 mins) out of 10 TB (3.2 TB free).

[21:27:19]

[R]:

lol

[21:27:36]

Beirdo:

it's called VACATION

[21:28:34]

sphery:

yeah, but a 2-month-10-day vacation is hard to work out

[21:28:47]

sphery:

(and that's assuming I don't sleep during those 9 weeks)

[21:28:52]

sphery:

:)

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RingtailedFox:

hello?>

[21:29:14]

sphery:

hello

[21:29:21]

[R]:

this guy at my work took off last week and isnt coming back till january

[21:29:42]

RingtailedFox:

wow

[21:29:45]

RingtailedFox:

that sucks

[21:30:09]

RingtailedFox:

anyway, kaffeine works with my tv tuner on a mandriva live CD, but... not on my linux install... i don't understand it

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sphery:

you'll need to provide more details of which card and what errors you're getting

[21:31:25]

sphery:

though we, here, are really much better with helping with MythTV (the thing you set up /after/ you get the capture cards/low-level-system stuff working)

[21:31:38]

RingtailedFox:

it's a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600

[21:31:53]

Beirdo:

OMG

[21:32:02]

Beirdo:

Angry Birds for Roku?

[21:32:02]

RingtailedFox:

when i go to scan for channels, kaffeine says "no devices found", and throws out this error in terminal: kaffeine(7947) DvbLinuxDevice::acquire: cannot open frontend "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0"

[21:32:33]

[R]:

Beirdo: why not?

[21:32:38]

sphery:

is there a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[21:32:42]

RingtailedFox:

yes

[21:33:02]

Beirdo:

like we need Angry Birds on our flippin TVs

[21:33:03]

RingtailedFox:

it does not say *why* it cannot open that file

[21:33:17]

sphery:

[R]: let me put it this way... Why would someone want to run a game--designed for 3.5" touch screen devices--on their 40"+ HDTV without touch screen?

[21:33:19]

RingtailedFox:

the program basically says "error"

[21:33:28]

Beirdo:

this isn't #kaffeine :)

[21:33:44]

[R]:

sphery: why not!?

[21:33:45]

Beirdo:

first thing to check... user permissions

[21:33:51]

sphery:

[R]: this is also why I'd say that Google TV 2.0's adding support for the App Store is /not/ the killer feature they claim

[21:33:51]

RingtailedFox:

user permissions are fine

[21:34:01]

RingtailedFox:

kaffeine was unresponsive

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[R]:

sphery: but everyone loves apps...

[21:34:05]

RingtailedFox:

and it's not a kaffeine issue

[21:34:12]

sphery:

yeah, they love apps designed for their mobiles on their mobiles

[21:34:23]

RingtailedFox:

i'm sick of how everyone in linux rooms passes the buck to someone else.. "go ask these people"

[21:34:25]

sphery:

put them on a 40" non-touchscreen, and people will be like, "this sucks"

[21:34:49]

Beirdo:

this isn't a Linux room

[21:34:58]

Beirdo:

this is a MythTV channel

[21:35:00]

Beirdo:

anyways...

[21:35:04]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: well, he's just saying that... <+sphery> though we, here, are really much better with helping with MythTV (the thing you set up /after/ you get the capture cards/low-level-system stuff working)

[21:35:13]

Beirdo:

does dmesg show you anything instructive?

[21:35:19]

RingtailedFox:

no

[21:35:23]

Beirdo:

like missing firmware?

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RingtailedFox:

firmware's present

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Beirdo:

if the device is there, I'd expect it to work

[21:35:39]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: i.e. he's not trying to pass the buck--just saying that if you ask people who know the system you're having problems configuring, they're /much/ more likely to be able to help

[21:35:49]

sphery:

he's trying to help you find the right channel, not trying to be mean

[21:36:05]

RingtailedFox:

#kaffeine tells me come here, you guys tell me #hardware, they'll tell me ##linux, who will tell me to stop using a computer

[21:36:22]

Beirdo:

you were essentially asking "why does kaffeine give this error, what does it mean?"

[21:36:24]

[R]:

RingtailedFox: i can do that if you like

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sphery:

I'd say the best place to ask is your distro's channel

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Beirdo:

having never used kaffeine, I have no clue

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RingtailedFox:

no, i would not like it

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sphery:

because they know the packages you need (for drivers, firmware, ...) and their dependencies and requirements

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Beirdo:

and neither would most others here ;)

[21:36:42]

RingtailedFox:

#mageia doesn't help

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[R]:

dindti tel lyou to stop using ranodm nonsense dists no one uses/catres about?

[21:37:05]

sphery:

other option is to quit swimming upstream/blazing new trails and use a proven distro

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Beirdo:

OK, what exactly is your problem?

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RingtailedFox:

[R]: didn't i tell you to stop criticizing me for using distros you don't like?

[21:37:25]

sphery:

one specifically crafted to use MythTV and support the common hardware (where HVR-1600 is /extremely/ common)

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[R]:

rofl

[21:37:28]

sphery:

i.e mythbuntu

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[R]:

sphery++

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RingtailedFox:

either tell me a good non-poobuntu distro, or stop bitching

[21:37:33]

Beirdo:

we can try to help, but we'd need to know the exact issue

[21:37:37]

sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/

[21:37:38]

RingtailedFox:

i don't know the exact issue

[21:37:54]

RingtailedFox:

it does not say

[21:37:54]

sphery:

this isn't #salmon, either :) (swimming upstream reference... nvm)

[21:37:54]

Beirdo:

heh.

[21:37:57]

RingtailedFox:

that's why i'm here

[21:38:03]

Beirdo:

!salmon sphery

[21:38:03]

** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of sphery on behalf of Beirdo... **

[21:38:14]

sphery:

hehe

[21:38:16]

[R]:

!trout Beirdo

[21:38:16]

** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of [R]... **

[21:38:16]

BobLfoot:

RingtailedFox: Centos6 works well with MythTV

[21:38:25]

Beirdo:

what doesn't say the exact issue?

[21:38:26]

RingtailedFox:

CentOS works well with little else

[21:38:37]

RingtailedFox:

kaffeine does not say w hy it can't access my card

[21:38:44]

RingtailedFox:

nor does mythtv

[21:38:51]

BobLfoot:

also Fedora if Centos is too old

[21:38:55]

RingtailedFox:

eww

[21:39:05]

Beirdo:

good luck

[21:39:09]

RingtailedFox:

fedora sucks, thoguh

[21:39:16]

RingtailedFox:

like... almost as much as poobuntu

[21:39:34]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: IMHO, if you're picky about distro, you're choosing the hard path, so it's your responsibility to make it work on <my favorite distro>... In other words, you're choosing philosophy over results.

[21:39:43]

[R]:

and he wonders why he was banned from #fedora...

[21:39:44]

RingtailedFox:

i want results...

[21:39:46]

** BobLfoot looks for /ignore switch **

[21:39:53]

RingtailedFox:

[R]: why don't you tell me why i was banned from fedora?

[21:39:58]

[R]:

you know why

[21:40:01]

RingtailedFox:

no, i don't

[21:40:08]

RingtailedFox:

either say, or stop mentioning it

[21:40:31]

sphery:

but, given sufficient work, perhaps you could make packages/installers for Mageia that make it equally easy/useful as Mythbuntu, in which case, maybe one day, I'll be telling someone else to use mageia

[21:40:31]

Beirdo:

if you are going to be a distro bigot, and you can't debug on your own... go talk to the people who made your distro, or follow generic debugging steps

[21:40:33]

RingtailedFox:

i can't use fedora becuase i can't install proprietary video drivers on it and their instructions don't work

[21:40:49]

RingtailedFox:

i can't use ubuntu becuase it's unstable as hell and crashes constantly

[21:40:56]

Beirdo:

really?

[21:41:00]

RingtailedFox:

not to mention both distros' help rooms are unhelpful

[21:41:10]

Beirdo:

my boxes only crash if I do something to make them crash

[21:41:11]

RingtailedFox:

you're surprised? ubuntu is just a rebranded Debian Sid

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sphery:

I'll bet I could make any distro you name unstable and crash constantly

[21:41:24]

sphery:

it's all a matter of how you configure it

[21:41:26]

RingtailedFox:

sphery: go for it

[21:41:37]

sphery:

distros don't crash, people crash distros

[21:41:37]

tgm4883:

rebranded Debian Sid?

[21:41:41]

Beirdo:

seems like you already have that well in hand

[21:41:50]

RingtailedFox:

distros do crash

[21:41:52]

** sphery is a member of the National Distro Association **

[21:41:55]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: who's in charge of the Mythbuntu theme?

[21:41:57]

RingtailedFox:

o.O

[21:42:04]

Beirdo:

distros don't crash

[21:42:08]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, you :)

[21:42:10]

RingtailedFox:

yes, they do

[21:42:18]

Beirdo:

distros are collections of software

[21:42:21]

RingtailedFox:

yes

[21:42:27]

RingtailedFox:

and they can still crash if they are poorly-written

[21:42:28]

BobLfoot:

RingtailedFox: I've been running myth on fedora since fc10 with proprietary nvidia drivers and no crashes so I suggest the distro isn't your problem

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RingtailedFox:

no one in #fedora told me how to install proprietary video drivers

[21:42:49]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: heheh. OK, you guys aren't holding any sort of artistic guidance on it?

[21:42:57]

RingtailedFox:

they just kept screaming about how perfect nouveau was and that i don't need nvidia

[21:43:02]

[R]:

RingtailedFox: they most certainly did

[21:43:13]

Beirdo:

sounds like you just can't be helped

[21:43:13]

RingtailedFox:

thank you for admitting the truth [R]

[21:43:21]

RingtailedFox:

beirdo: i can be helped. you guys just don't like helping

[21:43:22]

[R]:

RingtailedFox: (told you how to install the drivers)

[21:43:26]

RingtailedFox:

no, they did not

[21:43:28]

sphery:

but if a distro was unstable as <can be> and crashed constantly, either someone would fix the configuration that's causing the breakage or no one would use said distro

[21:43:30]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, err, it has to keep saying Mythbuntu?

[21:43:32]

[R]:

ffs, do i really need to pull out my logs

[21:43:33]

Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: baloney.

[21:43:39]

RingtailedFox:

yes, you do, [R]. put up or shut up

[21:43:45]

sphery:

and I can say that mythbuntu is /not/ a distro that no one uses

[21:43:54]

[R]:

Nov 17 18:54:31 * Khaytsus suggests RingtailedFox try the following URL and let us know if it helps or they need more assistance: http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-kmod

[21:43:55]

RingtailedFox:

beirdo: so every alpha or beta version of software is automatically uncrashable and stable?

[21:44:01]

RingtailedFox:

yes, those instructions destroyed X.

[21:44:10]

BobLfoot:

RingtailedFox: is your STFW / RTFM broken ??

[21:44:17]

[R]:

yet everyone else who follows them it seems to work just fine...

[21:44:17]

RingtailedFox:

no

[21:44:20]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: Hehe, OK, not a problem, we have a pull request to update stuff in it, and I didn't know if you guys wanted veto power over it or anything

[21:44:20]

RingtailedFox:

there's no MTFR

[21:44:27]

RingtailedFox:

why is it so hard to get help?

[21:44:57]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, so gbutters did all the work on it. I haven't seen him nor troy_s in a while

[21:45:03]

Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: if you'd stop asking to be spoonfed and also slapping away the spoon...

[21:45:15]

RingtailedFox:

that's just retarded. i'm not doing that at all

[21:45:17]

tgm4883:

RingtailedFox, honestly, I find people that ask that question are the ones who do not accept help

[21:45:24]

sphery:

I still think we need to get some teams of users maintaining the themes

[21:45:25]

RingtailedFox:

tat's equally stupid

[21:45:27]

RingtailedFox:

*that

[21:45:29]

Beirdo:

tgm4883: OK, thanks. I guess we can just look it over and make sure it's sensible then

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, sounds good to me

[21:46:15]

RingtailedFox:

i'd like assistance in figuring out why my tv tuner is not working

[21:46:58]

Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: pastebin the dmesg portions re: your tuner device

[21:47:13]

RingtailedFox:

there ARE no dmesg lines regarding my t uner

[21:47:21]

[R]:

ROFL

[21:47:28]

RingtailedFox:

[R]: what?

[21:47:30]

Beirdo:

then pastebin lspci

[21:47:41]

tgm4883:

heh, just read the backlog

[21:47:43]

[R]:

RingtailedFox: i have never seen ANY driver that ouputs NTOHING to dmesg

[21:47:49]

Beirdo:

actually lspci -v

[21:48:04]

tgm4883:

<RingtailedFox> kaffeine was unresponsive

[21:48:04]

tgm4883:

<RingtailedFox> and it's not a kaffeine issue

[21:48:12]

tgm4883:

so you come to the mythtv channel

[21:48:13]

RingtailedFox:

[R], you're just a know-it-all that loves to taunt others for having problems

[21:48:23]

[R]:

tgm4883: naturally

[21:48:26]

RingtailedFox:

yes, ebcuase you guys are the only ones that responded to my help requests

[21:48:28]

Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: where's the pastebin?

[21:48:35]

RingtailedFox:

i'm copying it now, beirdo

[21:48:37]

tgm4883:

RingtailedFox, and I appoligize for that

[21:48:38]

RingtailedFox:

stop being impatient

[21:48:42]

tgm4883:

next time I won't respond

[21:48:48]

RingtailedFox:

fucking trolls

[21:48:56]

Beirdo:

Watch your language

[21:48:57]

Yancho_:

RingtailedFox, I don't agree with your accusation on [R] – he tried to help me with my tv tuner problem too

[21:48:58]

RingtailedFox:

this is how you "help"?

[21:49:03]

Beirdo:

first and only warning

[21:49:14]

** RingtailedFox disregards. trolling deserves language. **

[21:49:27]

RingtailedFox:

are you guys going to taunt me, or help me?

[21:49:34]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: language deserves kicking – from /topic: http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

[21:49:36]

Beirdo:

I'm still waiting for the pastebin

[21:49:49]

RingtailedFox:

i'm still waiting for you to learn manners

[21:49:53]

sphery:

so, follow our rules and we won't kick you :)

[21:49:59]

RingtailedFox:

that's not true, sphery

[21:49:59]

[R]:

oh man, i'm glad i stayed for this

[21:50:08]

RingtailedFox:

i've been kicked out of places for following the rules

[21:50:09]

Beirdo:

OK, he likes to bite the hand that is attempting to feed him

[21:50:11]

RingtailedFox:

and [R], shut up already

[21:50:13]

tgm4883:

wait, he's been here 20 minutes and is just now getting logs uploaded?

[21:50:15]

RingtailedFox:

no, i b ite the hand that slaps me

[21:50:23]

RingtailedFox:

no, becuase i have to reply to you guys every 3 seconds

[21:50:29]

tgm4883:

RingtailedFox, I don't think you've been slapped yet

[21:50:35]

tgm4883:

you are still here after all

[21:50:41]

Yancho_:

whoever wants to help someone fix a tv-tuner problem .. i can be your client :D

[21:50:48]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Channel_FAQ_.2F_Rules ... "Read the topic! It has important information. Be civil to others. No name calling or other abusing of other channel participants. No profanity or foul language. you will not behave, you very likely will be banned from the channels in question."

[21:50:59]

sphery:

so, please behave so I don't have to look up how to do op things

[21:51:23]

RingtailedFox:

http://pastebin.com/dFSSBj7E

[21:51:29]

RingtailedFox:

there, now stop whining for it, bierdo

[21:51:34]

tgm4883:

Ah, east coaster. Everything is starting to make sense

[21:51:38]

RingtailedFox:

eh?

[21:51:40]

sphery:

whining...

[21:51:56]

sphery:

I thought he was trying to help...

[21:52:02]

RingtailedFox:

ubuntu member... makes sense now.

[21:52:05]

tgm4883:

RingtailedFox, everyone that I have dealt with from the north east has been a serious prick

[21:52:13]

tgm4883:

present company included

[21:52:16]

RingtailedFox:

and everyone i've known that uses ubuntu has serious attitude problems.

[21:52:20]

RingtailedFox:

i'm not from the norhteast, anyway :P

[21:52:25]

RingtailedFox:

*northeast

[21:52:32]

Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: the only attitude problem here right now is you.

[21:52:33]

** tgm4883 rolls eyes **

[21:52:36]

Beirdo:

now calm down

[21:52:41]

RingtailedFox:

beirdo: stop with the insults.

[21:52:45]

Beirdo:

dmesg | grep cx18

[21:52:49]

tgm4883:

insults?

[21:52:53]

sphery:

OK, everyone, back to on-topic, please

[21:53:33]

tgm4883:

sphery, ok back on topic then. If you are using the cs script, it's just "/cs kb RingtailedFox"

[21:53:33]

RingtailedFox:

http://pastebin.com/w2ucz3ZC

[21:53:39]

Beirdo:

You haven't seen me being insulting... others here have before. I'm trying to help you diagnose your issue, and it's like pulling teeth from a moving horse.

[21:53:50]

sphery:

heh

[21:53:50]

RingtailedFox:

followed up with /cs kb tgm4883

[21:54:12]

Beirdo:

not likely

[21:54:14]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: you can't just grep for cx18

[21:54:20]

RingtailedFox:

i did what beirdo sayd

[21:54:22]

RingtailedFox:

*says

[21:54:22]

sphery:

RingtailedFox: there's more to the card than a cx18

[21:54:26]

RingtailedFox:

i know that

[21:54:28]

Yancho_:

[R], do you think my problem can be helped in this channel?

[21:54:37]

[R]:

Yancho_: no

[21:54:41]

sphery:

pastebin the whole section starting with first mention of that card until it's init'ed

[21:54:47]

RingtailedFox:

what section?

[21:54:55]

Beirdo:

anyways, there's part of what's in dmesg for your card. You said there was nothing

[21:55:11]

RingtailedFox:

when i typed dmesg, it wasn't in there

[21:55:18]

[R]:

lol

[21:55:20]

tgm4883:

MAGIC!

[21:55:24]

Beirdo:

OMG.

[21:55:31]

RingtailedFox:

and it's still not. :)

[21:55:31]

sphery:

dmesg > dmesg.txt , then edit to get just the section showing it loading the drivers/firmware until it's done

[21:55:41]

tgm4883:

it's... still... not?

[21:55:50]

Yancho_:

or use dmesg | pastebinit

[21:55:55]

RingtailedFox:

http://pastebin.com/jL3hP8tk

[21:57:13]

Beirdo:

OK

[21:57:22]

Beirdo:

you have an antenna hooked up, I hope?

[21:57:25]

RingtailedFox:

yes

[21:57:43]

RingtailedFox:

rooftop antenna, 35 feet in the air, with a 1-to-2 splitter (one to my TV, one to my computer)

[21:57:48]

Beirdo:

OK, one sec

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[21:58:04]

RingtailedFox:

TV is on VHF 7 (216 MHz) right now

[21:58:25]

Beirdo:

cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[21:58:37]

Beirdo:

let it run for like 15s, hit Ctrl-C

[21:58:45]

Beirdo:

then ls -al /tmp/blah.mpg

[21:59:04]

RingtailedFox:

[user@localhost ~]$ cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[21:59:04]

RingtailedFox:

cat: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0: Invalid argumen

[21:59:15]

RingtailedFox:

t

[21:59:38]

sphery:

and it's a VHF antenna, too?

[21:59:45]

RingtailedFox:

VHF-UHF (channels 7–51)

[21:59:55]

RingtailedFox:

it's a channelmaster

[22:00:06]

RingtailedFox:

bought and installed in may

[22:00:13]

Beirdo:

hmmm. ls -al /dev/dvb/adapter0

[22:00:21]

Beirdo:

there should be something there

[22:00:30]

RingtailedFox:

four items:

[22:00:31]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 4 Nov 29 16:26 demux0

[22:00:31]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 5 Nov 29 16:26 dvr0

[22:00:31]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 3 Nov 29 16:26 frontend0

[22:00:31]

RingtailedFox:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 7 Nov 29 16:26 net0

[22:00:38]

RingtailedFox:

and yes, my user is in the video group

[22:00:40]

Yancho_:

small question: if the tuner has a crappy antenna, will it effect the driver / how it is loaded?

[22:00:45]

Beirdo:

you sure?

[22:00:49]

RingtailedFox:

yes, i'm sure

[22:00:52]

Beirdo:

id -a shows it?

[22:00:56]

RingtailedFox:

typing "groups" returns user and video

[22:01:11]

[R]:

Yancho_: you dont need a signal to get a driver to load

[22:01:14]

RingtailedFox:

uid=500(user) gid=500(user) groups=500(user),82(video)

[22:01:36]

Beirdo:

OK then.

[22:01:46]

Yancho_:

thanks for the clarification [R] – im just straw clinging – until someone from linuxtv is ready to help me :)

[22:01:47]

Beirdo:

should be working AFAIK

[22:01:50]

RingtailedFox:

i know

[22:01:52]

RingtailedFox:

and yet, it's not

[22:02:34]

Beirdo:

hmmm. pastebin lsmod?

[22:02:47]

Beirdo:

maybe somtehing is missing somehow

[22:03:13]

RingtailedFox:

http://pastebin.com/irUSBXW3

[22:03:16]

RingtailedFox:

that's lsmod

[22:03:40]

RingtailedFox:

should i uninstall v4l?

[22:03:49]

sphery:

you're not running this under virtualbox, are you?

[22:03:52]

RingtailedFox:

no

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[22:03:56]

RingtailedFox:

no virtualization here

[22:04:11]

sphery:

ok, just making sure since I saw some vbox* modules installed

[22:04:26]

RingtailedFox:

yah, that's for me to test other operating systems inside virtualbox

[22:04:51]

sphery:

yeah, that's fine--just not a good place to try to get mythtv working :)

[22:05:10]

Beirdo:

is the 1600 the one that has issues switching from analog to digital and ack?

[22:05:15]

Beirdo:

back..

[22:05:18]

sphery:

btw, what mythtv version? mythbackend --version

[22:05:19]

Beirdo:

or is that the 1800

[22:05:28]

RingtailedFox:

i don't need analog

[22:05:29]

sphery:

1800 has analog issues

[22:05:45]

RingtailedFox:

only 2 stations are still analog here... CBEFT is switching in august and the other is switching in 2015

[22:06:08]

RingtailedFox:

ok, here's my version:

[22:06:09]

RingtailedFox:

MythTV Version : 0.24.1–20111019.0.1.mga1.tainted

[22:06:09]

RingtailedFox:

MythTV Branch :

[22:06:09]

RingtailedFox:

Network Protocol : 63

[22:06:09]

RingtailedFox:

Library API : 0.24.20110505–1

[22:06:09]

RingtailedFox:

QT Version : 4.7.4

[22:06:25]

Beirdo:

cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/blah.mpg work?

[22:06:55]

sphery:

ok, that's relatively new, so not as bad as a 0.24.0 release version

[22:07:04]

RingtailedFox:

no, it does not

[22:07:07]

sphery:

likely not going to cause problems with getting it set up

[22:07:20]

sphery:

what error?

[22:07:52]

RingtailedFox:

just static, since that's the analog tuner

[22:08:02]

Beirdo:

gah

[22:08:10]

Beirdo:

so it created a valid mpeg file?

[22:08:32]

RingtailedFox:

yes

[22:08:38]

Beirdo:

then it worked

[22:08:51]

sphery:

let's try, again, the one you said gave invalid argument (as that shouldn't have that error unless there's a typo): cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:08:53]

Beirdo:

good, so your card isn't fried totally, at least

[22:09:08]

sphery:

unless, maybe you have to use zap first to tune it... which maybe you do

[22:09:12]

RingtailedFox:

[root@localhost user]# /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:09:12]

RingtailedFox:

bash: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0: Permission denied

[22:09:20]

Beirdo:

I was just thinking that.

[22:09:23]

sphery:

cat

[22:09:25]

RingtailedFox:

sphery: i tried a live CD with kaffeine... it worked out of the box

[22:09:25]

tgm4883:

forgot cat

[22:09:31]

RingtailedFox:

?

[22:09:34]

RingtailedFox:

cat? no cat? dog?

[22:09:36]

sphery:

cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:09:39]

tgm4883:

cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:09:43]

tgm4883:

dang you speedy sphery

[22:09:43]

Beirdo:

cat the device, no just run it

[22:09:44]

RingtailedFox:

i just did that!

[22:09:48]

Beirdo:

no you didn't

[22:09:55]

tgm4883:

<RingtailedFox> [root@localhost user]# /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:09:56]

sphery:

you did sans cat

[22:09:57]

Beirdo:

read that command line again, there's no cat

[22:09:58]

tgm4883:

no you did not

[22:10:01]

RingtailedFox:

[root@localhost user]# cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > /tmp/blah.mpg

[22:10:01]

RingtailedFox:

cat: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0: Invalid argument

[22:10:11]

sphery:

ok, so we probably need zap, first

[22:10:14]

Beirdo:

Might need tuning

[22:10:22]

sphery:

OTA ATSC, right?

[22:10:24]

RingtailedFox:

yes

[22:10:33]

RingtailedFox:

and kaffeine and mythtv refuse to tune it becuase they can't access it for some reason

[22:11:47]

sphery:

From: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps (and linked pages for *scan, etc.) -> dvbscan /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

[22:12:09]

sphery:

if that doesn't work, change "dvbscan" to just plain "scan"

[22:13:24]

sphery:

hehe, buildbot doesn't know the proper max line length for freenode's IRC

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RingtailedFox:

"failed to open frontend"

[22:13:46]

sphery:

now is there anything at the end of dmesg?

[22:13:48]

RingtailedFox:

[root@localhost user]# scan /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

[22:13:48]

RingtailedFox:

scanning /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

[22:13:48]

RingtailedFox:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'

[22:13:48]

RingtailedFox:

main:2705: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy

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sphery:

so that's saying something else is using the card

[22:14:06]

RingtailedFox:

some usb stuff

[22:14:11]

RingtailedFox:

but it's not saying *what*

[22:14:17]

sphery:

so you likely have a program using it

[22:14:22]

RingtailedFox:

how do i check?

[22:14:30]

sphery:

sudo lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[22:14:31]

Beirdo:

lsof would likely help

[22:14:48]

RingtailedFox:

[root@localhost user]# lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[22:14:48]

RingtailedFox:

lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/user/.gvfs

[22:14:48]

RingtailedFox:

Output information may be incomplete.

[22:14:48]

RingtailedFox:

COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME

[22:14:48]

RingtailedFox:

vdr 5118 vdr 4u CHR 212,3 0t0 10366 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[22:14:56]

sphery:

so, shut down vdr

[22:15:00]

sphery:

then all will likely work

[22:15:02]

** Beirdo hands sphery the trout **

[22:15:13]

** sphery makes a quick dinner **

[22:15:35]

RingtailedFox:

testing...

[22:15:52]

RingtailedFox:

finally, channelscan works

[22:16:14]

RingtailedFox:

thank you for the assistance!

[22:16:24]

tgm4883:

what distro is this?

[22:16:27]

sphery:

mageia

[22:16:31]

RingtailedFox:

mageia (fork of mandriva 2010.2

[22:16:41]

tgm4883:

did vdr come on it by default?

[22:16:51]

RingtailedFox:

i don't think so

[22:16:57]

RingtailedFox:

i think it was installed with vlc

[22:17:00]

RingtailedFox:

when i i nstalled that

[22:17:22]

sphery:

anyway, only one app can use the card at a time

[22:17:28]

sphery:

so keep that in mind when using your system

[22:17:40]

sphery:

and note that many apps keep the card open the whole time they run

[22:17:47]

tgm4883:

odd, that sounds like an incorrect dependency

[22:18:16]

Yancho_:

guys up till some minutes ago I didn't have anything under /dev/dvb .. now i installed dvb-utils and there is dvb under dev .. could this be the revival of my tuner?

[22:18:52]

sphery:

definitely need /dev/dvb devices to use a /dev/dvb device :)

[22:19:07]

sphery:

sounds like you may have been missing some dependency that dvb-utils pulled in

[22:19:16]

sphery:

(i.e. maybe had the old DVB apis or something?)

[22:19:30]

Yancho_:

dmesg is showing nothing new :S

[22:19:51]

sphery:

ah, just /dev/dvb? no /dev/dvb/adapter* ?

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Yancho_:

adapter0 adapter1 adapter2 adapter3

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sphery:

then you have 4 dvb devices, which likely have frontend* and such under them, right?

[22:20:45]

Yancho_:

of adapter0 : audio0 ca0 demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 osd0 video0

[22:20:49]

sphery:

maybe it just needed to re-run udev stuff on it

[22:20:59]

sphery:

anyway, sounds like your cards are ready to test

[22:21:11]

sphery:

start with dvbscan/scan and if that works, then try it elsewhere

[22:21:18]

Yancho_:

how can i test that its actually alive? tvtime didnt find any channels

[22:21:34]

sphery:

what tv standard?

[22:21:42]

Yancho_:

pal-b

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Beirdo:

tvtime doesn't doe DVB does it?

[22:21:52]

sphery:

pal would be analog

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Beirdo:

ummm, DVB can be PAL too :)

[22:22:19]

RingtailedFox:

how is pal digital?

[22:22:41]

Beirdo:

OMG

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sphery:

likely you'll need: scan /usr/local/share/dvb/scan/dvb-t/<Tab><Tab>

[22:23:00]

sphery:

then select the appropriate one under that

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Yancho_:

in malta we still have analogue and dvb-t transmissions .. with the current antenna i wonder it can pick anything up .. all i just want to test is that its still alive

[22:23:06]

Beirdo:

PAL and NTSC are standards which include resolutions, framerates, color space

[22:23:31]

Beirdo:

PAL can be digital in the same way NTSC can and is

[22:23:38]

Yancho_:

main:2284: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 19 No such device

[22:23:50]

sphery:

sounds like yo umay have a permissions problem

[22:23:56]

RingtailedFox:

digital NTSC is called ATSC, th ough

[22:23:58]

sphery:

ls -la /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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Beirdo:

RingtailedFox: no it is not

[22:24:10]

Yancho_:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 3 2011-11–29 23:13 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[22:24:21]

sphery:

Yancho_: and you're in the video group?

[22:24:22]

RingtailedFox:

and it uses different modulation (8VSB as opposed to AM/SSB video)

[22:24:29]

Beirdo:

digital NTSC is used on DVB, DVDs, etc

[22:24:35]

Yancho_:

unless mytubuntu specifically put me .. no

[22:24:43]

RingtailedFox:

oh, well, if you want to be technical, yes

[22:24:47]

RingtailedFox:

i thougt you meant in a broadcast aspect

[22:24:52]

Beirdo:

Yancho_: tvtime doesn't support DVB cards

[22:25:10]

Beirdo:

unless I'm reading this wrong

[22:25:11]

Yancho_:

thanks for the clarification Beirdo :)

[22:25:15]

dekarl:

Beirdo: should that really be LOG_ERR? Every time I see it I have to look if the file is well ;) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ale.cpp#L109

[22:25:55]

Beirdo:

dekarl: heh, probably not, but that was the level it was before, hence why it is there now

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sphery:

probably not--we still have a lot of those we need to "downgrade"

[22:26:07]

sphery:

yeah

[22:26:08]

Beirdo:

it should be dropped to NOTICE, likely

[22:26:27]

Yancho_:

sphery, mpulis is in video .. root is just in root

[22:26:31]

sphery:

right, because that's only important if you're out of ice--you know, if there's not ice

[22:26:43]

Beirdo:

http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/cards.html#dvb

[22:26:44]

sphery:

root should have permission on it

[22:27:00]

Beirdo:

it seems it has some limited support, but still through V4L2

[22:27:32]

Yancho_:

sphery, should i do : usermod -G video root ?

[22:27:52]

Yancho_:

sry -G root video *

[22:29:50]

dekarl:

Shall I prepare a patch on trac so it doesnt get lost? (or have you already changed it in your local trees?) I don't care either way, its just I'm laaazy

[22:31:27]

Beirdo:

dekarl: likely a patch would be good :)

[22:31:41]

Beirdo:

pretty trivial, but you know, busy and all :)

[22:31:56]

Beirdo:

or give me a few minutes...

[22:32:12]

dekarl:

no problem, but I'd hate to file a patch just to hear "been there, done that" :)

[22:32:17]

Beirdo:

currently test compiling a potential windows build fix

[22:32:35]

dekarl:

so it is LOG_NOTICE in the future

[22:32:36]

Beirdo:

linux test compile (to make sure I didn't bork it for Linux)

[22:32:41]

dekarl:

global warming and all

[22:32:54]

Beirdo:

yeah, that one's not an error, it's more of a NOTICE :)

[22:33:18]

webweb:

in mythvideo i have one directory with a large number of subdirectories in it and it takes quite a while (about 10s) to descend into the top-level directory. I've turned logging on, and all 10s is spend doing storage group queries for what appear to be cover files for each directory, is there any way for me to fix this?

[22:33:28]

Yancho_:

great news .. now it is scanning :) i am using scanning try-all .. let's see what wierd channels it will get :D

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webweb:

I have tried switching to list/tree view from gallery view to not display cover images, but then the navigation is completely different

[22:35:05]

Beirdo:

OK, now I'm ready

[22:35:47]

Yancho_:

Signal Strength – 99% is too good to be true i suppose ey ?

[22:36:50]

RingtailedFox:

not really. if you're within 10 miles of a full-power station, you can get 99–100% signal strength

[22:36:58]

Beirdo:

done

[22:37:03]

RingtailedFox:

if you're too close, you could even experience overload, where the signal bleeds or echoes onto other channels

[22:37:36]

Yancho_:

well this is with an internal crappy antenna .. so am guessing there is soemthing fishy to say the least

[22:37:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:37:52]

Beirdo:

I had 90% or so on a coat hangar

[22:37:57]

Beirdo:

hanger

[22:38:05]

Beirdo:

a hangar's something else

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Yancho_:

how can i find my country's channel frequency table? try-all does it try all frequencies?

[22:41:34]

Yancho_:

The digital terrestrial line-up currently consists of six free to air TV channels (unencrypted) over UHF channel 66 (834 MHz) using DVB T and MPEG-2 coding.

[22:42:10]

Beirdo:

dunno off-hand

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Yancho_:

can i force it to scan just 834Mhz band?

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dekarl:

oh, now I know why "Could not apply f86d67a... Downgrade "Reading locale" from LOG_ERR to LOG_NOTICE" happened when rebasing it down to be the first patch on the head ;)

[22:47:54]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:48:04]

Beirdo:

it's already there, dude :)

[22:48:31]

Yancho_:

how is it possible that it is finding more than 1000 channels? (albeit failing to add any) ?

[22:48:52]

[R]:

Yancho_: what is it saying?

[22:50:25]

Yancho_:

these are my settings: Input: v4l: /dev/video0 Television / Desired Services TV : unencrypted – checked. scan type = full scanl. channel freuqency table: try-all

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RingtailedFox:

yancho: wikipedia has channel frequency tables

[22:50:42]

RingtailedFox:

which country are you in?

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Yancho_:

then when hit scan: i get updated channel try-all (all numbers here)

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[R]:

Yancho_: i asked what it was saying, now hot it was configured

[22:51:20]

Yancho_:

malta – the only interesting channels to me are the FTA – which are all on 834Mhz frequency

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[R]:

Yancho_: its failing because its not atcually tuning anything

[22:52:03]

Yancho_:

Failed to find any new channels! [ok]

[22:52:28]

Yancho_:

so that could be coz of the aerial i suppose right ?

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diverdude:

you guys should check out xbmc...that is really a nice system :D

[22:59:10]

[R]:

should we?

[22:59:16]

[R]:

you know, i dont think anyone here has ever heard of it

[22:59:18]

[R]:

thanks for the tip!

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diverdude:

if you didnt hear about it you should check it out

[23:02:24]

diverdude:

i used to use mythtv

[23:02:47]

diverdude:

but i have to say...xbmc is just quite a lot better :/

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dekarl:

hmm, when I tried it last time it didn't record so well...

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diverdude:

what was the problem?

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skd5aner:

the fact that it wasn't a DVR

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Yancho_:

last question for tonight – my card type has to be analog v4l capture card?

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dekarl:

diverdude: skd5aner has hit the nail

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skd5aner:

Yancho_: what card?

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Yancho_:

http://www.creatix.de/support/download/gruppe6/CTX918_spec.pdf

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dekarl:

Yancho_: yes, that sounds like a frame grabber

[23:08:31]

skd5aner:

proabably, not familiar with it

[23:09:09]

skd5aner:

the second one here? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion

[23:09:22]

Yancho_:

correct

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skd5aner:

So, wouldn't that be DVB-T?

[23:09:56]

skd5aner:

and not v4l?

[23:10:25]

Yancho_:

so DVB DTV capture card (V3.x) ?

[23:10:39]

skd5aner:

If you select DVB does it show up in the list?

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dekarl:

Yancho_: try ls -l /dev/video* /dev/dvb

[23:11:16]

skd5aner:

yea, what dekarl said

[23:11:28]

Yancho_:

total 0

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Yancho_:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/754262/

[23:12:16]

dekarl:

do you have other cards?

[23:12:20]

Yancho_:

no

[23:12:26]

skd5aner:

actually, you have one /dev/video0 and 4 dvb devices

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Yancho_:

if i set it as dvb dtv capture card .. with dvb device number as : /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 i cannot scan any channels

[23:14:15]

Yancho_:

and frontend id: could not get card info fSubtype

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skd5aner:

pastebin dmesg | grep ivtv

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dekarl:

from your first link I'd bet on V4L

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Yancho_:

empty

[23:15:23]

Yancho_:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/754265/ full dmeg

[23:16:13]

skd5aner:

yea, v4l

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Yancho_:

tried also mjpeg – but cant scan

[23:16:50]

skd5aner:

saa7134[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2]

[23:16:55]

dekarl:

the chipset could have a DVB frontend but the cards does not

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Yancho_:

so i wont be able to watch dvb-t channels?

[23:17:25]

dekarl:

saa7134[0]/dvb: frontend initialization failed

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skd5aner:

dekarl: why does it say DVB-T here? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion

[23:18:04]

dekarl:

skd5aner: I don't know, likely pilot error?

[23:18:16]

skd5aner:

heh

[23:18:20]

Yancho_:

so basically its the wrong card for me?

[23:18:36]

skd5aner:

if you're trying to receive DVB-T signals, then yea

[23:18:45]

Yancho_:

hurray to wikis!

[23:19:03]

dekarl:

hmm, lots of references hinting at dvb-t

[23:19:52]

skd5aner:

Yancho – what country?

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Yancho_:

malta – europe

[23:20:18]

Yancho_:

analogue transmission has been switched off – only dvb-t

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skd5aner:

in german – http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/dvb-t-medio . . . uner-7134/2/

[23:20:30]

skd5aner:

I've always wanted to visit Malta :)

[23:20:33]

dekarl:

ohh, don't confuse the Medion CTX 918 and the Medion CTX 918 DVB-T

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skd5aner:

lol – THAT makes perfect sense

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skd5aner:

CTX918_V.2 TV vs CTX918_V.2 DVB-T/TV ... (look at the link I posted)

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Yancho_:

skd5aner, im reading

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Yancho_:

guess i need to switch the machine off and see what there is written on it

[23:23:08]

skd5aner:

you might need to pull the card to see if it's a DVB model

[23:24:30]

Yancho_:

guess ...

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: your device is in my backpack and will be heading to the Fedex Office (formerly Kinkos) after work :)

[23:25:55]

Yancho_:

bah :( am so angry

[23:26:12]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: sweet – thanks :)

[23:26:23]

Yancho_:

any cheap tv-tuner you recommend i get please? usb / pci – not much care

[23:26:27]

skd5aner:

tested to work and everything? ;)

[23:26:31]

Beirdo:

yup

[23:26:38]

skd5aner:

you da man

[23:26:50]

skd5aner:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[23:27:02]

Beirdo:

I have to program it (in Windows!), then I test it out on the devel box sitting right next to me there

[23:27:55]

Yancho_:

cant much trust that link anymore :P

[23:28:20]

skd5aner:

cool – it'll be nice to get it hooked up... of course, I probably could have just pulled the NIB HDPVR I have out and just used it... but hey... I want /this/ one to work

[23:28:46]

sphery:

dekarl: thanks for the heads up on #10118

[23:29:29]

skd5aner:

Yancho_: not sure if you'll get much advice here on a specific card... maybe some EU folks around that have some advice for DVB-T cards, but us US folks don't use DVB-T, so we can't really give good advice

[23:29:39]

skd5aner:

Yancho_: you can search or ask on the mailing list

[23:29:59]

Yancho_:

ok gotcha .. will do some research myself

[23:30:05]

Yancho_:

and then ask for advice later

[23:30:22]

Yancho_:

just hate it when companies put a minute number which changes everything

[23:30:24]

skd5aner:

sphery: I've got some more segfaults in livetv, but I think it goes back to my other live tv segfault ticket and not that one associated with starting live tv in the guide

[23:30:33]

dekarl:

sphery: git pull pointed it out to me ;)

[23:30:45]

skd5aner:

Yancho_: did you confirm your card isn't the DVB one?

[23:31:04]

sphery:

dekarl: hehe, yeah, that's always a good thing

[23:31:06]

Yancho_:

yes it is the CTX918_V.2TV

[23:31:12]

skd5aner:

bummer

[23:31:22]

sphery:

failed merges get me to check up on old patches, etc.

[23:35:30]

Yancho_:

thanks everyone for all your kind help :)

[23:36:44]

sphery:

so it turns out your capture card is one that's not supported?

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dekarl:

it is supported, but the hardware is a PAL frame grabber without a DVB-T frontend

[23:37:45]

Yancho_:

correct

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sphery:

ohh

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sphery:

:(

[23:39:34]

Yancho_:

well at least im paypal covered .. so should get the money back

[23:40:49]

Yancho_:

goodnight guys :) thanks loads and loads for your help

[23:40:57]

Yancho_:

you and the guys before you

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diverdude:

skd5aner: ehhh not DVR?? What do you mean?

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Aeth:

So, if I have Comcast, I can rent a CableCard to get HD TV onto my computer?

[23:43:33]

Aeth:

What is the page that specifies the hardware options? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware is far too general.

[23:44:12]

sphery:

Aeth: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[23:44:17]

sphery:

option 4

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diverdude:

i believe it is dvr

[23:45:21]

sphery:

wagnerrp / iamlindoro : on ^^^ can we remove the "Note" and update the 2nd para saying that HDHR Prime is supported?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: which not?

[23:46:54]

iamlindoro:

er note

[23:47:42]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Ah, I see it-- yes, we should

[23:47:49]

sphery:

ok, cool

[23:48:03]

sphery:

I can remove the note easy enough... not sure what to say about hdhr prime, though

[23:48:18]

sphery:

I can hack something if you don't have time, and you can edit it later?

[23:48:35]

iamlindoro:

I'll take care of it

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sphery:

thx

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sphery:

Aeth: so, in just a bit, you'll see an updated Option 4 that says HDHR Prime will work--but, as it describes (please read that section), it only works for copy freely channels

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, guess I should have linked specifically to option 4 when I asked... sorry, didn't think about it since it was right there on the top of the page on my screen :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: there, that should do the trick

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sphery:

looks good, thanks... btw, should we be mentioned DCR-2650? last I heard it's likely there will never be Linux support for it?

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sphery:

mentioning, that is

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iamlindoro:

it's already supported in linux

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iamlindoro:

and myth

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iamlindoro:

it's just a network adapter

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iamlindoro:

Plug in, recognized as a USB ethernet device, talked to by libhdhomerun

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sphery:

ah, ok, maybe I was thinking of something else (probably colossus)

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Aeth:

sphery: So the HDHR Prime is probably not a good choice for Comcast, then?

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iamlindoro:

Aeth: Heghhhh?

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iamlindoro:

Why would you say that?

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sphery:

HDHR Prime + Comcast is likely the best combination

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Aeth:

If it only works with copy freely

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iamlindoro:

Which comcast sets all non-premium channels as

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sphery:

TWC marks basically everything as not copy freely... comcast generally marks everything non-premium as copy freely

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Aeth:

Non-premium, so everything except HBO, etc?

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iamlindoro:

meaning everything but HBO, Showtime, etc.

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Aeth:

This includes HD?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Aeth:

Ah.

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iamlindoro:

I use a Prime with Comcast, and can freely record all my channels besides HBO

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iamlindoro:

including the whole digital/HD lineup

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sphery:

AIUI, this isn't guaranteed, and could change at any time, but it seems that people all around the US with Comcast have found it to be true

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Aeth:

Which one is the HD HR Prime? http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-cc/ or http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-6cc-3x2/

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iamlindoro:

They both are

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iamlindoro:

one is a 3 tuner Prime, the other 6

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