| Monday, November 28th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | Led-Hed: | with any luck I might get a few hours of sleep tonight. ;) |
| [00:00:14] | Led-Hed: | thanks again sphery |
| [00:00:53] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [00:01:09] | wagnerrp: | mcmoyer: im actually running my master backend on a freebsd system, using a HDHomeRun tuner |
| [00:01:27] | wagnerrp: | which makes my other machines just remote frontends tied off it |
| [00:01:28] | sphery: | Led-Hed: also, don't forget about the Theme Chooser (in mythfrontend settings)--and make sure you use the MENU to check for downloadable themes, too |
| [00:02:10] | wagnerrp: | but using ZFS as my root mirror, as well as a large array on a hardware RAID6 card |
| [00:02:20] | wagnerrp: | im low on memory currently at 4GB |
| [00:02:28] | wagnerrp: | and previously at 2GB, it was downright painful |
| [00:03:01] | wagnerrp: | on freenas's recommended requirements, theyre not kidding when they say you should have 6GB+ |
| [00:03:54] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive actually tried installing mythtv to freenas, but i dont expect it to be much more difficult than freebsd proper |
| [00:04:09] | sphery: | is freenas just another bsd distro? |
| [00:04:18] | sphery: | (specifically designed for NAS, I'd assume) |
| [00:04:32] | wagnerrp: | its a NAS customized framework based off freebsd |
| [00:04:41] | sphery: | or maybe like a freebsd distro tuned for NAS, like ubuntu/mythbuntu type thing? |
| [00:04:46] | sphery: | ahh, cool |
| [00:04:48] | wagnerrp: | so kernel and userland would be freebsd |
| [00:05:05] | wagnerrp: | but how stock the init system is, i couldnt say |
| [00:05:12] | wagnerrp: | ive never installed it |
| [00:05:32] | sphery: | I still don't know my way around the BSD things--but then again, I'm scared of big daemons |
| [00:05:49] | sphery: | I've watched enough episodes of Supernatural to know better than to trust them |
| [00:05:59] | iamlindoro: | just read the fine print |
| [00:06:00] | wagnerrp: | considering ZFS necessarily means proper hardware |
| [00:06:25] | wagnerrp: | it might be interesting to set up a specific freenas installer, like how mythbuntu does it |
| [00:06:42] | wagnerrp: | or iamlindoro's thing for osx/hdhrp |
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| [00:10:33] | darkdgn2k: | hey |
| [00:10:39] | darkdgn2k: | is there a way to start mythbackend w/o a cap card |
| [00:10:45] | wagnerrp: | "NOTE: at this time the following are not supported: Infiniband, FiberChannel over Ethernet, or wireless interfaces." |
| [00:10:51] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah! no wireless! |
| [00:11:02] | wagnerrp: | definitely the system to base mythtv off of |
| [00:11:06] | sphery: | hehe, who would run a file server over wireless? |
| [00:11:08] | sphery: | that's crazy |
| [00:11:38] | sphery: | I actually plug my laptop into an ethernet port when I copy over recordings to take on a trip with me |
| [00:11:38] | wagnerrp: | darkdgn2k: fake it with a dummy capture card |
| [00:11:46] | darkdgn2k: | how? |
| [00:11:48] | sphery: | I can't imagine how long it would take via wifi |
| [00:11:59] | darkdgn2k: | aaa demo |
| [00:12:15] | wagnerrp: | i plug my laptop in always |
| [00:12:47] | wagnerrp: | drop it on the docking station... gets power, ethernet, and link to the KVM |
| [00:13:28] | wagnerrp: | and audio output routed into my desktop and the speakers for the rare occurrence i might want to play something on my laptop |
| [00:14:00] | darkdgn2k: | grr |
| [00:14:03] | darkdgn2k: | mythbackend just wontstart |
| [00:14:19] | wagnerrp: | no it wont, because the scheduler throws a fatal error |
| [00:14:59] | darkdgn2k: | im trying to start the compiueld myth in a vmware to see if i get the same deadlock that i get on the physical box |
| [00:15:02] | darkdgn2k: | but it has no tuners in it |
| [00:16:47] | darkdgn2k: | yep same thig |
| [00:16:53] | darkdgn2k: | 2011-11–27 14:16:40.738585 C Unable to determine master backend time zone settings. If those settings di |
| [00:17:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: looks like its based off nanobsd, which is a first party variation of freebsd, designed for small size and read-only root filesystem |
| [00:17:45] | wagnerrp: | along with a modular django-based ui for control and plugins |
| [00:22:14] | darkdgn2k: | wagnerrp: know of anyone working on the deadlock that would be interested in my findings since i prityt much was able to produce the issue on command |
| [00:24:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you recall the open ticket for that one off hand? |
| [00:24:33] | darkdgn2k: | im zipping thorugh the mailing lists but... havent foudn anything |
| [00:26:05] | wagnerrp: | theres #9745, which is the same symptom but different cause |
| [00:26:19] | wagnerrp: | same with #9885 |
| [00:26:44] | darkdgn2k: | wierd part is with trunk. i can see the same errors but it still works |
| [00:26:51] | darkdgn2k: | it failes.. then seems to re-connect or seomthing |
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| [00:27:00] | wagnerrp: | the master backend will still record just fine |
| [00:27:03] | wagnerrp: | slave backend will not |
| [00:27:08] | wagnerrp: | and frontends cannot access content |
| [00:27:10] | darkdgn2k: | like i can play videos... but it takes like 1/2 a min to start |
| [00:27:19] | wagnerrp: | and that situation remains until you restart the backend |
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| [00:27:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently youre seeing something where it will try to connect to the backend, wait 30 seconds to time out, and proceed to play it from the local filesystem instead |
| [00:28:03] | darkdgn2k: | but only with trunk |
| [00:28:08] | darkdgn2k: | with .24 fixes it wont play at all |
| [00:28:38] | darkdgn2k: | trunk will aslo scan for movies .24 wont ( i got it to work ONCE and never again) |
| [00:29:12] | darkdgn2k: | start a new thread? |
| [00:29:17] | darkdgn2k: | ugh bug? |
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| [00:54:59] | wagnerrp: | interesting... FreeNAS is bankrolled by the old BSDi |
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| [00:57:22] | mcmoyer: | thx for the tips wagnerrp! |
| [00:57:58] | wagnerrp: | ill have to look into freenas once fbsd9 is released and freenas converts over to it |
| [00:58:15] | wagnerrp: | see about adding a mythtv package for it |
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| [00:59:16] | mcmoyer: | that would be pretty cool. |
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| [01:06:31] | DarkDrgn2k: | Hye think it could be ticket #9773 |
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| [01:12:02] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: "local" as in "Network File System" – obviously, makes /perfect/ sense |
| [01:13:27] | skd5aner: | I mean, NFS is protocol, just like cifs/http/scp, to access data that not local to the machine |
| [01:14:03] | skd5aner: | that said, I do understand that from a "file system" perspective it appears as a "local" mount – I just think the word local is extremely misleading |
| [01:14:52] | wagnerrp: | misleading, perhaps |
| [01:15:05] | wagnerrp: | but then of course if youre thinking like me, it makes perfect sense |
| [01:15:14] | wagnerrp: | and if youre not thinking like me, then youre thinking wrong |
| [01:15:15] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:15:55] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [01:16:25] | skd5aner: | I just think it's relative... a forest from the trees perspective... if you're looking at it from a "tree" perspective, then sure... it's "local" because it's mounted to the file system... |
| [01:16:47] | skd5aner: | but from a forest perspective, it's anything but local |
| [01:17:55] | wagnerrp: | from the forest perspective, they would be local branches that were tied to other trees with triple twist twine |
| [01:17:57] | skd5aner: | but, neither here nor there... |
| [01:18:29] | skd5aner: | for some horrible reason, I now have the chorus of "jungle boogie" stuck in my head :/ |
| [01:20:43] | skd5aner: | make the horn section stop |
| [01:46:13] | Dj_FlyBy: | what can cause mythtv to have choppy video? the same video plays fine via vlc on the very same machine (frontend & backend reside on the same box) |
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| [01:48:40] | Dj_FlyBy: | maybe i should specify that the audio also is choppy with the video |
| [01:50:58] | wagnerrp: | what content, what hardware? |
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| [02:54:24] | pyther: | I'm using mythlink.pl |
| [02:54:32] | pyther: | /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythlink.pl --link /home/myth/tvshows/ --format '%T/%Y-%m-%d-%S' |
| [02:54:54] | pyther: | getting a space in the resulting file: 2011-11-27- The Scarlett Getter.mpg |
| [02:55:01] | pyther: | is this just how the subtitle is stored? |
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| [02:57:49] | wagnerrp: | potentially |
| [02:58:08] | Blaksmith: | hey there.. got an issue.. ever since upgrading to 0.25, the PS3 gets "Corrupted Data" instead of the actual recorded shows.. anyone know if this is a known issue, or possibly something else going on ? |
| [02:58:30] | Blaksmith: | once in a while, one of the shows will play, but about 95% don't |
| [02:58:33] | wagnerrp: | what kind of recordings are these? |
| [02:59:09] | Blaksmith: | just shows off of cable .. that I like to record and watch later.. like Pawn Stars, News, etc.. |
| [02:59:18] | Blaksmith: | they work fine on my ubuntu front end |
| [02:59:28] | wagnerrp: | what kind... |
| [02:59:36] | wagnerrp: | digital from a QAM or cablecard tuner? |
| [02:59:43] | wagnerrp: | h264 from an HDPVR |
| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 from an ivtv card? |
| [02:59:55] | Blaksmith: | Hauppauge PVR-150 tuner |
| [03:00:43] | wagnerrp: | odd |
| [03:00:48] | Blaksmith: | analog basic cable frequency .. I would have to re-load setup to see if it is set to mpeg4 or peg2 |
| [03:00:52] | Blaksmith: | mpeg2* |
| [03:01:05] | wagnerrp: | the -150 only does mpeg2 |
| [03:01:28] | wagnerrp: | go into the recording profiles, and change it to output to a TS file, rather than a PS |
| [03:01:35] | wagnerrp: | see if the PS3 is happier with that |
| [03:02:11] | Blaksmith: | ok. gimme a min |
| [03:02:37] | Blaksmith: | it just got done recording a show heh |
| [03:02:56] | wagnerrp: | note that is an option in the frontend, not mythtv-setup |
| [03:03:16] | Blaksmith: | oh, ok.. let me find where that is then |
| [03:04:01] | Blaksmith: | frontend of the ps3 or the regular front end? |
| [03:05:08] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend, setup, transcoding profiles |
| [03:05:16] | wagnerrp: | should be one for 'mpeg encoders' |
| [03:05:29] | wagnerrp: | with a couple different quality settings |
| [03:05:39] | Blaksmith: | I have no "transcoding profiles" option in frontend |
| [03:06:07] | Blaksmith: | i'm using the classic blue, not the newer brownish beige theme |
| [03:06:29] | Blaksmith: | ok, found Recording Profiles ... |
| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | the setup menus are all the same, regardless of UI or menu theme |
| [03:07:25] | wagnerrp: | setup -> video -> recording profiles |
| [03:07:27] | Blaksmith: | ok no "trancoding" anything.. only profiles I see is the Recording Profiles |
| [03:07:34] | wagnerrp: | and yikes... hardware dvb encoders |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | thats wrong in so many ways |
| [03:07:43] | wagnerrp: | i wonder who did that |
| [03:08:51] | Blaksmith: | mine is in: TV, TV Settings, Recording Profiles |
| [03:09:15] | wagnerrp: | no its not, not in 0.25 anyway |
| [03:09:28] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like youre still running 0.24 |
| [03:09:36] | Blaksmith: | ok, but yes, I see: Software Encoders (v4l based), MPEG-2 Encoders (PVR-x50, PVR-500) |
| [03:09:53] | Blaksmith: | if I was running 0.24, it would complain like a pain in the ass |
| [03:10:49] | Blaksmith: | Mythfrontend version: master (v-.25pre-3774-g4f506d0) |
| [03:11:03] | Blaksmith: | Mythfrontend version: master (v0.25pre-3774-g4f506d0) |
| [03:11:16] | wagnerrp: | at least i dont think menu themes have any control over the setup tree |
| [03:11:51] | Blaksmith: | I am using the old theme that I like though .. I can change to the deafault, then change it back .. |
| [03:12:16] | wagnerrp: | no, UI themes and Menu Themes are separate |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | menu themes control the items seen on the first two levels of menus |
| [03:12:37] | Blaksmith: | yah, changed the menu theme |
| [03:12:52] | wagnerrp: | but has no control inside the plugins, or (at least as i thought) the setup menus |
| [03:13:02] | Blaksmith: | front page now has: Media Library, Manage Recordings, Info Center, Optical Disks, Watch TV, and Setup ... before it only had TV Videos and Setup |
| [03:14:32] | Blaksmith: | ok, either way, I"m back in the Recording Profiles .. |
| [03:14:34] | wagnerrp: | huh.. it does alter the setup menus |
| [03:16:30] | Blaksmith: | ok, so now, will that affect only the newer recordings? |
| [03:16:41] | Blaksmith: | or will it help with what has already been recorded? |
| [03:17:50] | wagnerrp: | that will only affect the new recordings made with the altered profile |
| [03:17:59] | wagnerrp: | just record something in the near term, see if it plays |
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| [03:18:34] | wagnerrp: | the TS is sort of a catch-all format for the PS3 |
| [03:18:44] | wagnerrp: | if it can play it, it will do so if its in a TS container |
| [03:18:54] | wagnerrp: | its a lot more restrictive with PS and other containers |
| [03:18:56] | LiENUS: | i thought they couldnt sell broadcast flag free hdtv tuners for a while |
| [03:19:16] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, TS is designed for streaming, and is considerably more inefficient |
| [03:19:34] | wagnerrp: | LiENUS: there is no such thing as a broadcast flag |
| [03:19:52] | wagnerrp: | tv tuners do not do anything with it, mythtv ignores it |
| [03:20:10] | Blaksmith: | ok, thanks.. will try |
| [03:20:23] | LiENUS: | wagnerrp, i thought there was a fcc requirement on following it for a while |
| [03:20:24] | wagnerrp: | the exception is cablecard tuners, and then only for content that comes in over cable |
| [03:20:39] | wagnerrp: | LiENUS: no, it never passed |
| [03:20:52] | wagnerrp: | ATSC broadcasters are not allowed to transmit the broadcast flag |
| [03:20:58] | LiENUS: | ah |
| [03:21:16] | LiENUS: | is there a solution for cable card to work with mythtv? |
| [03:21:25] | wagnerrp: | depends on your cable provider |
| [03:22:00] | LiENUS: | so no solution to have mythtv work with copy-once channls? |
| [03:22:34] | wagnerrp: | sure, analog output from a cable box, and analog capture to a standard definition PVR-150, or high definition HDPVR |
| [03:22:39] | LiENUS: | or copy never |
| [03:23:03] | LiENUS: | yeah something without the analog hole heh |
| [03:23:33] | LiENUS: | im looking for a setup that doesnt rely on a cable box from the cable company or getting a pvr |
| [03:23:46] | wagnerrp: | again, that depends on your cable provider |
| [03:23:57] | wagnerrp: | as you seem to understand, copy-freely stuff should work fine |
| [03:24:17] | LiENUS: | well is there a legal reason they cant bypass the copy flags or is it technological? |
| [03:24:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has supported the HDHomeRun Prime since before 0.24, and supports it very well in 0.25 |
| [03:24:46] | LiENUS: | ie is there any reason someone cant make a modchip style chip to bypass the copy flags for a hdhomerun prime |
| [03:24:55] | wagnerrp: | there is a 3rd party set of patches for using the InfiniTV, and official OCUR support for the whole series of devices should be here by 0.26 |
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| [03:25:25] | wagnerrp: | because you dont own the cablecard, the cable company does |
| [03:25:29] | wagnerrp: | its not your hardware to alter |
| [03:25:41] | LiENUS: | so it would have to be modified within the cablecard and not the tuner? |
| [03:26:13] | Blaksmith: | wagnerrp, ok, a live-tv recording seemed to play so far.. going to wait till the next recorded show comes on |
| [03:26:49] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: i do remember long long ago, my recordings not having audio on my ps3 |
| [03:27:17] | wagnerrp: | but i dont recall if that was the analog (mpeg2 video, mpeg2 audio, ps container) or digital (mpeg2 video, ac3 audio, ts container) |
| [03:27:36] | Blaksmith: | I just double-checked, the live tv was still set to PS.. |
| [03:27:38] | Blaksmith: | trying again |
| [03:29:09] | Blaksmith: | ok, audio was there on the live tv also with the TS instead of PS |
| [03:29:35] | Blaksmith: | wagnerrp, thanks again :D |
| [03:29:51] | wagnerrp: | note that if you do any lossless mpeg2->mpeg2 transcodes |
| [03:30:01] | wagnerrp: | it will output PS files |
| [03:30:23] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok. will remember that.. I usually only commflag and not re-encode |
| [03:30:38] | wagnerrp: | its technically not re-encoding, or even transcoding |
| [03:30:49] | wagnerrp: | since youre not 'coding' anything |
| [03:31:03] | wagnerrp: | only some minor fixups around the gaps between the cuts and the closest keyframes |
| [03:31:10] | wagnerrp: | it just backfills with I frames |
| [03:31:13] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
| [03:31:31] | wagnerrp: | it runs almost as fast as a file copy, because it basically is just a file copy |
| [03:31:48] | Blaksmith: | ahh.. with a few extra frames added / removed? |
| [03:32:11] | wagnerrp: | lots of extra frames removed |
| [03:32:28] | wagnerrp: | do you know anything about video compression? I frames, P frames, B frames.... |
| [03:32:33] | Blaksmith: | nope heh |
| [03:32:50] | wagnerrp: | Independent frames, Previous frames, Bidirectional frames |
| [03:32:59] | wagnerrp: | I frames are a full image in and of themselves |
| [03:33:12] | wagnerrp: | stuff like MJPEG and MPNG is just a bunch of I frames |
| [03:33:25] | Blaksmith: | I know how to aim a satellite dish, know how to edit clips, and all that, but know nothing of what really goes on inside a vid picture .. other than old-school cathode tube hehe |
| [03:33:36] | wagnerrp: | MPEG2 supports P frames, which are a partial image, referencing previous images in the video |
| [03:33:52] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
| [03:34:06] | wagnerrp: | MPEG4 ASP (xvid, divx), H264, VC1, and more modern codecs support B frames, which reference frames both before and after it |
| [03:34:06] | LiENUS: | wagnerrp, is there a reasonably priced cablecard ready set top box i can buy that does only cable decoding? |
| [03:34:17] | LiENUS: | doesnt do pvr and all that carp |
| [03:34:43] | LiENUS: | i've been looking for something with hdmi out that i can hook up to my google tv |
| [03:34:52] | wagnerrp: | when mythtv does the lossless transcode, it can chop the video directly at each I frame, and do nothing further than that |
| [03:34:58] | wagnerrp: | literally no different from a file copy |
| [03:35:47] | wagnerrp: | but if the cut points fall anywhere other than those I frames, it must skip back to the previous I frame, decode all the frames from there to the next I frame, and replace any of those B frames that would be left hanging by the cut by other I frames |
| [03:36:18] | Blaksmith: | cool |
| [03:36:23] | wagnerrp: | ATSC broadcasts generally run two I frames per second, or one every 30 fields/frames |
| [03:36:24] | Blaksmith: | learning something new every day :D |
| [03:36:53] | wagnerrp: | so you could potentially have to transcode up to 29 frames at each cut point |
| [03:37:00] | wagnerrp: | or zero |
| [03:37:09] | wagnerrp: | just depends on where you place the cut point in relation to the nearest I frame |
| [03:37:25] | Blaksmith: | cool |
| [03:38:20] | wagnerrp: | LiENUS: most cable provides offer a dumb cable box rental with no DVR capabilities |
| [03:38:29] | wagnerrp: | s/provides/providers/ |
| [03:38:38] | LiENUS: | wagnerrp, yeah i guess thats not entirely what i want |
| [03:38:53] | LiENUS: | i want a set top box with hdmi out that will do cablecard, qam or atsc |
| [03:39:00] | wagnerrp: | up until about a year ago, cablecard compatible devices available for purchase were intentionally scarce |
| [03:39:33] | wagnerrp: | with the restrictions on licensing set so high that no one could afford the time necessary to get a device authorized for use with cablecards |
| [03:39:48] | LiENUS: | so i can use it with cable tv or with antenna |
| [03:40:16] | wagnerrp: | the FCC called cablecard a failure, and faced with impending costly replacement with some other system, the cable companies relented |
| [03:40:29] | wagnerrp: | which is why were just now seeing devices like the hdhomerun and infinitv make it to the market |
| [03:41:34] | wagnerrp: | outside of something like a tivo, there simply isnt much demand to produce an independent cablecard compatible STB |
| [03:41:47] | wagnerrp: | and there are only a handful of cablecard capable TVs |
| [03:42:33] | LiENUS: | well if i go the linux machine route i cant watch copy once channels which sucks :/ |
| [03:42:45] | wagnerrp: | who is your provider? |
| [03:42:47] | pyther: | Where in hte database are mythevents stored? |
| [03:42:49] | LiENUS: | cox |
| [03:43:04] | LiENUS: | some areas they do copy freely others copy once no idea bout where i am |
| [03:43:04] | wagnerrp: | pyther: system events? |
| [03:43:19] | pyther: | wagnerrp: yes, that is what I meant |
| [03:44:59] | wagnerrp: | pyther: theyre just stored globally in the settings table |
| [03:45:10] | wagnerrp: | but there is little to no reason to go digging through them manually |
| [03:46:20] | pyther: | wagnerrp: I want to make sure I entered in my command right |
| [03:47:20] | wagnerrp: | erm no... those are per host, not global |
| [03:47:24] | wagnerrp: | still in the settings table |
| [03:47:39] | wagnerrp: | but you should just be able to pull up mythtv-setup to look at what you entered |
| [03:47:51] | pyther: | the system-event are per host? |
| [03:48:15] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [03:48:54] | pyther: | oh so then I wouldn't want to run mythlink.pl for the "Recording started" event :-/ |
| [03:49:27] | wagnerrp: | you would run that on whatever machine you want the symlinks to be generated on |
| [03:50:12] | pyther: | I want that on the masterbackend |
| [03:50:23] | pyther: | so I guess that would just be a post recording job |
| [03:50:40] | wagnerrp: | or during-recording job |
| [03:50:48] | wagnerrp: | all that matters is the file exist |
| [03:51:00] | pyther: | wagnerrp: where can I set a during-record job? |
| [03:51:13] | wagnerrp: | with the proper system event |
| [03:51:28] | pyther: | but I thought the system event ran on the frontend, no? |
| [03:51:35] | wagnerrp: | it runs everywhere |
| [03:51:42] | wagnerrp: | the master backend runs it itself |
| [03:51:49] | pyther: | but I never want mythlink to run on a frontend |
| [03:51:53] | wagnerrp: | and then chooses one application on each connected remote machine |
| [03:52:15] | wagnerrp: | those applications catch the event, and perform the action stored for their local configuration |
| [03:52:52] | wagnerrp: | if you want the backend to run mythlink, configure the system event with that command on the backend |
| [03:53:02] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want your frontend to run it, leave it empty on the frontend |
| [03:53:23] | wagnerrp: | every connected machine gets the event |
| [03:53:32] | pyther: | ok, so I want to load mythtv-setup on the backend end and enter in the mythlink.pl command, that way it only runs on the backend, right? |
| [03:53:33] | wagnerrp: | but its a per-machine configuration for what to do when it receives the event |
| [03:53:40] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:54:02] | pyther: | ok, got it |
| [03:54:27] | pyther: | do I need to include the full path /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythlink.pl or will myth know to look in /usr/share/mythv/controb/user_jobs? |
| [03:54:40] | wagnerrp: | full path |
| [03:54:48] | pyther: | ok, that is what I thought |
| [03:55:16] | pyther: | once all said and done, is there a place I can look to see if the command tiggred and executed successfully? |
| [03:55:24] | wagnerrp: | the backend logs |
| [03:56:18] | pyther: | of course |
| [03:56:30] | pyther: | thanks for the help |
| [03:56:41] | pyther: | hopefully my drives stay in good shape |
| [03:56:53] | pyther: | my boot partition majorly got corrupt the other day :( |
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| [04:02:27] | pyther: | wagnerrp: if you know if anyone who would like or could use a web based gui frontend to turn on a backend server, lock shutdown, rebuild symlinks, etc... feel free to link them to my little project: https://github.com/pyther/myth_control |
| [04:02:38] | pyther: | screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/ZL6tM.png |
| [04:04:01] | wagnerrp: | you might want to look into one of the existing web adminstration frameworks like webmin |
| [04:04:51] | pyther: | my understanding is that you have use webmin on the actual server you want manage |
| [04:05:10] | pyther: | mine differs in the fact you run the webapp on a web server (not the myth box) |
| [04:05:12] | wagnerrp: | likely yes |
| [04:05:36] | pyther: | I have server that I run for different things, but mythbox gets shutoff whenever I'm not using it or recording to save power |
| [04:05:55] | pyther: | so I but the little gui on the server that is up all the time |
| [04:06:57] | pyther: | my usage of myth is probably much different than mosts |
| [04:07:09] | wagnerrp: | WTF did i just install kernel modules to '3.0.6+' |
| [04:07:14] | wagnerrp: | '+'? |
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| [04:08:27] | pyther: | wagnerrp: prepackaged binary? |
| [04:08:37] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:13:58] | pyther: | wagnerrp: what's up with the '+' part? I'm curious |
| [04:14:07] | wagnerrp: | so am i |
| [04:14:30] | pyther: | what modules did you build/install? |
| [04:14:39] | wagnerrp: | alsa ones |
| [04:14:49] | wagnerrp: | from the same tree i compiled my kernel |
| [04:16:24] | pyther: | interesting |
| [04:25:26] | Blaksmith: | so far, so good about the playback on the PS3 ... thanks again wagnerrp |
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| [04:41:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you in yet? |
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| [04:44:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm here |
| [04:45:16] | Beirdo: | just trying to get my OpenCL stuff working *right* on the AMD :) |
| [04:45:25] | wagnerrp: | going through some old boxes at my grandparents months back, we found some old records |
| [04:45:35] | Beirdo: | stupid me, making assumptions on workunit sizes |
| [04:45:39] | Beirdo: | oh yeah? |
| [04:45:43] | wagnerrp: | one of which contained a recording of some commercial of my great grandma |
| [04:45:54] | Beirdo: | nice :) |
| [04:45:54] | wagnerrp: | so i picked up one of these usb turntables |
| [04:46:04] | wagnerrp: | shows up as a usb device in linux |
| [04:46:10] | wagnerrp: | and it sounds like _crap_ |
| [04:46:10] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [04:46:29] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I use a normal turntable plus a USB preamp device |
| [04:46:48] | Beirdo: | what do you mean like crap? |
| [04:46:57] | wagnerrp: | i can literally hear the noise as the cartridge is dragging over this 78 |
| [04:47:02] | wagnerrp: | no amplification needed |
| [04:47:06] | wagnerrp: | no speakers needed |
| [04:47:21] | wagnerrp: | and its scraping up small amounts of vinyl |
| [04:47:22] | Beirdo: | you have the right kind of cartridge? |
| [04:47:28] | wagnerrp: | its the one that came with the unit |
| [04:47:35] | Beirdo: | sounds like you have a 45/33 cartridge |
| [04:47:44] | Beirdo: | 78s use different needles |
| [04:47:56] | Beirdo: | one's conical, the other's spherical (IIRC) |
| [04:48:50] | Beirdo: | most of the ones where you can replace just the needle, you can find a 78 needle to swap in |
| [04:49:24] | wagnerrp: | theres this '78 adapter', which is nothing more than a little plastic disk with a hole in the center |
| [04:49:29] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what im supposed to do with it |
| [04:49:47] | wagnerrp: | put it on the turntable, and put the 78 on top of it? |
| [04:50:04] | Beirdo: | ummm, that would be for 45s normally, they came with huge holes in the middle |
| [04:50:23] | Beirdo: | I think your whole problem is likely the wrong needle |
| [04:50:54] | wagnerrp: | entirely possible |
| [04:52:07] | Beirdo: | your turntable will turn at 78? |
| [04:52:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:52:29] | Beirdo: | or are you doing the "record at 45, upsample to 78" |
| [04:52:33] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [04:52:46] | Beirdo: | most these days do 33/45 |
| [04:53:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, our old unamped one only did 33/45 |
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| [05:11:31] | Beirdo: | ah, there it goes :) |
| [05:11:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, when you follow the max sizes of the GPU, it works better |
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| [05:26:14] | Beirdo: | OK, let's disable the debug frames |
| [05:28:48] | ** Beirdo is pleased ** | |
| [05:29:02] | Beirdo: | so. OpenCL... definitely a winner for my uses |
| [05:29:20] | Beirdo: | I have the same GPU code running on NVidia and AMD |
| [05:34:00] | Beirdo: | I win! |
| [05:34:10] | Beirdo: | now... should go make some late dinner |
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| [06:24:22] | Beirdo: | hahaha, that was stupid |
| [06:24:40] | Beirdo: | I make dinner, come sit down to eat... and I'm smelling burnt wood. |
| [06:24:55] | Beirdo: | I put the f'ing wooden spoon down on the element |
| [06:25:03] | Beirdo: | charred spoon FTW |
| [06:26:50] | wagnerrp: | weve got a charred trevet from putting a too-hot pot on it |
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| [06:27:11] | [R]: | when i was a kid, we used to call them "hot thingies" |
| [06:27:22] | wagnerrp: | hot thingies? |
| [06:27:26] | [R]: | trevet |
| [06:27:41] | [R]: | it was a thingy, you put hot things on |
| [06:27:41] | Beirdo: | so that was... last year? |
| [06:27:45] | [R]: | har har |
| [06:27:47] | wagnerrp: | when i was a kid, i had a decent vocabulary |
| [06:27:53] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:27:56] | Beirdo: | hey, you called me old, you get what ya get :) |
| [06:28:07] | [R]: | when i was a kid, we called it spagetti and smooshy meat |
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| [06:28:31] | [R]: | (i guess most people call it meat sauce) |
| [06:29:15] | wagnerrp: | when i was a kid, we called it spaghetti bolognese |
| [06:30:08] | Beirdo: | or just spaghetti :) |
| [06:30:17] | Beirdo: | as that's how my mom would always make it |
| [06:30:57] | wagnerrp: | aww... no kellys heroes clips on youtube |
| [06:31:22] | Beirdo: | Tonight I made elbow macaroni with meat sauce with green peppers and onions |
| [06:31:34] | Beirdo: | and then a lovely wood smoke after-smell |
| [06:31:59] | [R]: | wagnerrp: was that made to capture the success of hogan's hereos? |
| [06:32:05] | Beirdo: | and now, I just put chipotle powder in my eye |
| [06:32:10] | [R]: | Beirdo: sounds good except for the onions and peppers |
| [06:32:11] | Beirdo: | oooowwww! |
| [06:32:32] | wagnerrp: | there a scene where one of the guys is talking on the phone, and says something french... '... near clermoan' |
| [06:32:34] | Beirdo: | veggies are good! |
| [06:32:59] | wagnerrp: | the guy on the other side replies "is that clermont, booker?" "yes" "then why the hell didnt you say so" |
| [06:33:29] | wagnerrp: | [R]: its a WWII film, theyre behind enemy lines... thats about as far as the similarities go |
| [06:34:07] | [R]: | well its not on the netflix |
| [06:34:09] | wagnerrp: | its much funnier than hogans heroes ever was |
| [06:34:10] | [R]: | so i'll just take your word for it |
| [06:35:25] | wagnerrp: | donald sutherland, playing a hippie tank commander, playing 'ill be working on the railroad' while shooting up a nazi rail yard |
| [06:35:28] | Beirdo: | dangit, peppers of any kind to the eye sucks |
| [06:35:30] | wagnerrp: | whats not to love |
| [06:35:45] | Beirdo: | hehe, oooh, a Canadian actor :( |
| [06:35:45] | wagnerrp: | by playing, i mean blaring out on loudspeakers mounted to the roof of the tank |
| [06:35:48] | Beirdo: | :) even |
| [06:36:17] | Beirdo: | he plays a good hippie. I need to go watch that sometime, it does sound fun |
| [06:36:27] | wagnerrp: | (during WWII) |
| [06:36:44] | Beirdo: | well, that IS a bit early for hippies :) |
| [06:36:58] | [R]: | so im watching back to the future ii |
| [06:37:03] | [R]: | wheres all the cool stuff they promised? |
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| [06:37:12] | wagnerrp: | they made a BTTF 2? |
| [06:37:20] | [R]: | 2015 isn't that far off |
| [06:37:25] | [R]: | wagnerrp: they made 3... |
| [06:37:36] | wagnerrp: | i thought they only made the one |
| [06:37:43] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:38:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:38:59] | Beirdo: | one, but three parts? |
| [06:39:13] | wagnerrp: | hey, i didnt name them |
| [06:39:40] | Beirdo: | too bad that spoon wasn't cedar |
| [06:39:47] | Beirdo: | that would smell so much nicer |
| [06:40:38] | wagnerrp: | only when you realize that there is no spoon do you realize that what was actually burnt was your forearm |
| [06:40:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:40:53] | Beirdo: | or my wooden leg? |
| [06:41:04] | Beirdo: | arrr! |
| [06:41:11] | wagnerrp: | hey now |
| [06:41:16] | wagnerrp: | piracy will not be tolerated |
| [06:41:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:41:30] | Beirdo: | !parrot wagnerrp |
| [06:41:30] | ** MythLogBot dislodges the parrot from the shoulder of wagnerrp on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [06:41:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:43:03] | [R]: | they should reboot back to the future |
| [06:43:03] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:43:10] | [R]: | i'm sure hollywood would love that |
| [06:43:20] | wagnerrp: | theres been a series of followup games |
| [06:43:29] | wagnerrp: | in the past year or so |
| [06:43:32] | wagnerrp: | you can find them on steam |
| [06:43:52] | [R]: | Once again, in November 2010, Bob Gale spoke to BTTF.com as part of a Myth Debunking story , and restated that both Robert Zemeckis and him "have no plans or desires to make another Back to the Future movie — not a Part 4, or a remake of Part 1." |
| [06:44:03] | [R]: | :( |
| [06:44:48] | wagnerrp: | apparently the guy they got to voice fox is dead on |
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| [06:47:17] | ** wagnerrp goes back to avoiding finishing up this script ** | |
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| [06:51:52] | ** Beirdo goes back to testing the frame color histogram now that AMD and NVidia systems are both happy ** | |
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| [07:15:30] | Beirdo: | OMG... why is there a penis pump ad on FX? |
| [07:16:58] | wagnerrp: | clips or GTFO |
| [07:17:07] | Beirdo: | pos-t-vac. |
| [07:17:47] | Beirdo: | I'm not gonna clip the stupid thing :) |
| [07:17:54] | wagnerrp: | awww |
| [07:18:04] | wagnerrp: | not even a screenshot? |
| [07:18:30] | Beirdo: | "manual vacuum erection system" |
| [07:18:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:28:57] | wagnerrp: | gah... why are you behaving completely differently on two different systems |
| [07:32:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [07:38:55] | Beirdo: | oh this is pretty |
| [07:39:01] | Beirdo: | kaBOOOM |
| [07:52:39] | Beirdo: | crap |
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| [07:57:20] | Beirdo: | you need to remember teh & sometimes :) |
| [07:57:35] | Beirdo: | still having worksize issues though |
| [07:58:01] | Beirdo: | the AMD GPU has a worksize max of 256 |
| [07:58:10] | Beirdo: | which is pretty limiting :) |
| [07:58:29] | wagnerrp: | as in 256 pixels wide? |
| [07:58:38] | Beirdo: | as in 256 pixels total |
| [07:58:48] | Beirdo: | per work group |
| [07:58:49] | wagnerrp: | compared to what with nvidia? |
| [07:58:59] | Beirdo: | the 550Ti has 1024, the ION2 512 |
| [07:59:31] | wagnerrp: | does that mean more smaller chunks with the amd? or that the amd simply cant do as much work per cycle? |
| [07:59:49] | Beirdo: | both, I think :) |
| [08:00:34] | Beirdo: | so when doing 2D, I'm using 16x16 work groups... but then to reduce down... I wanted to do it in one block |
| [08:00:44] | Beirdo: | doesn't seem I can do it in one reduce pass |
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| [08:01:42] | Beirdo: | on a 720p image: I have 1840 work items to reduce to 1 |
| [08:01:50] | Beirdo: | frick. |
| [08:02:00] | Beirdo: | so I guess I'll do a two-level. |
| [08:03:16] | Beirdo: | yay, more code. |
| [08:03:46] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [08:04:13] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking reduce to 1xBLAH. Then to 1x1 |
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| [08:20:29] | prologic: | yeah so how do I avoid this lirc problem I keep having with lirc_serial and "Device or resource is busy" "IRQ 4 is in use" |
| [08:21:10] | prologic: | I also have another problem whereby cat /proc/interrupts fails for me and a 2nd attempt at catting that crashes the system and causing cat to use 100% of the CPU |
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| [08:28:43] | Beirdo: | so definitely not a MythTV-related problem |
| [08:29:02] | Beirdo: | if cat /proc/interrupts crashes your system, you have a kernel issue |
| [08:34:50] | prologic: | yeah no I realize it's not a mythtv problem :) |
| [08:34:56] | prologic: | just having trouble solving it easily |
| [08:35:08] | prologic: | I might try to upgrade the kernel this weekend |
| [08:35:23] | prologic: | but cat /proc/interrupts should just work afaik |
| [08:38:36] | Beirdo: | there we go... no crashy. Much better |
| [08:38:55] | prologic: | heh |
| [08:38:59] | Beirdo: | 1280x720 -> 80x23 -> 1x23 -> 1x1 |
| [08:39:02] | prologic: | I'm just after ideas :) |
| [08:39:11] | prologic: | what problem were you having? |
| [08:39:36] | Beirdo: | oh, just a reduction algorithm requiring more resources than the GPU has available |
| [08:40:26] | prologic: | ah ok |
| [08:42:22] | Beirdo: | hmmm, seems to have counted around 1/4 my pixels? |
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| [09:06:26] | Yanch0: | guys, i just installed mytv – and on first boot (in live cd it was ok) just after posting, i get a lot of green bars and funny stuff on the monitor for a couple of seconds (Say 30) then the screen goes black- hard disk seems to be still active for another minute or so. any ideas what to look at pls ? |
| [09:07:02] | Beirdo: | bingo. I had a * 2 where it shouldn't have been anymore :) |
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| [09:11:25] | Beirdo: | I think I'll quit while I'm ahead... and go to bed |
| [09:12:03] | prologic: | Yanch0, what distro you using? |
| [09:12:13] | prologic: | seems like you don't have the "right" drivers for your gfx card |
| [09:12:13] | Yanch0: | prologic, mythubuntu |
| [09:12:33] | Yanch0: | during installation i opted for the nvidia ones |
| [09:12:35] | prologic: | what's the gfx chipset? |
| [09:12:45] | prologic: | do you have an nvidia gfx card? |
| [09:12:58] | Yanch0: | fx 5600 nvidia |
| [09:13:09] | prologic: | no idea then |
| [09:13:36] | prologic: | normally nvidis cards are pretty easy to work with – despite being proprietary |
| [09:15:05] | Yanch0: | should i re-install and go for the opensource ? |
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| [09:18:03] | prologic: | I would start with the basics first dude |
| [09:18:11] | prologic: | get to know your hardware and get the gfx working |
| [09:18:22] | prologic: | at least get a booting system with console access |
| [09:18:54] | Yanch0: | well problem is cant much get to console since it is crashing ey ? |
| [09:19:20] | clever: | it should have an option to not start gui on bootup |
| [09:19:55] | prologic: | you should still be able to access the console |
| [09:19:59] | prologic: | CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| [09:20:09] | prologic: | if that doesn't work you have bigger problems |
| [09:20:17] | prologic: | and yeah try what clever suggested and boot without gui |
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| [09:21:36] | Yanch0: | the boot without gui option is not there – was searching for it .. ctrl alt f1 doenst respond either |
| [09:24:49] | Yanch0: | i dont get that normal ubuntu screen to choose your kernels etc |
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| [09:47:24] | justinh: | so this is a 'get your distro working' channel now? lol |
| [09:47:45] | justinh: | you have problems with $DISTRO, go to the channel for $DISTRO |
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| [09:51:25] | justinh: | fwiw if you can't get mythbuntu to boot when you've just installed it you wouldn't be alone. I ran into that a few times. I stopped using it |
| [09:53:42] | justinh: | when I updated my backend hardware I *tried* getting mythbuntu to work – the install went fine but would it boot properly? LOL. No. It wouldn't even get to a step that made debugging it easily. By that I mean it really wouldn't boot |
| [09:54:08] | justinh: | so after a few hours of that you just think 'SAck it' & use somethign else |
| [09:55:01] | Yanch0: | heh! well im on #ubuntu too .. at least now im on ssh .. so can get a bit more better errors |
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| [10:27:34] | prologic: | yeah I'm with justdave |
| [10:28:26] | Yanch0: | problem is that dmesg is showing some funny stuff only in my tuner (which according to linuxtv is supported – so should be a problem later on) – no errors on nvidia |
| [10:39:46] | josef__: | i am experiencing a strange problem – there is one channel that can be tuned only with normal tunning if i take fast tuning the channel cannot be tuned |
| [10:40:26] | josef__: | on the other hand if i take normal tuning there is one channel that won't play sound but will play sound with fast tunning :/ |
| [10:40:46] | josef__: | on my receiver both channels works correctly |
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| [10:58:04] | justinh: | according to linuxtv, is supported, according to some USER who put the text in the wiki – who could be ANYBODY. Not authoritative at all |
| [10:58:54] | Yanch0: | thats where things will defo turn out pretty much bad! |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | is supported * on certain kernels, with the wind behind you, on week days in months that have the letter 'J' in them (YMMV) |
| [10:59:45] | Yanch0: | :\ |
| [11:00:18] | justinh: | some people call 'supported' the mere fact that a guy is working on patches |
| [11:00:40] | Yanch0: | for me supported means .. install drivers and work |
| [11:00:46] | ** justinh smacks Yanch0 for asking a question out of channel. BAD USER ** | |
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| [14:10:13] | Dj_FlyBy: | Is there a way to add grabbers to mythtv that are not shown in the list (for example pbs is not in my list but it should be since it works in Canada) I'm also wondering if there is a way around the whole "you can't view this content because you don't live in the USA" issue? |
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| [14:11:57] | wagnerrp: | Dj_FlyBy: huh? |
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| [14:13:14] | justinh: | Dj_FlyBy: no, mythtv doesn't support circumventing streaming sites' T&Cs |
| [14:13:26] | Yanch0: | when installing you select what type of tv connection, does that specify which will be the default connection? i specified s-video, however for testing i am using vga.. could that explain why on first boot (and consegutives) i am getting garbled images, then the screeen just switches off? |
| [14:13:48] | wagnerrp: | Dj_FlyBy: what list? |
| [14:13:53] | Dj_FlyBy: | wagnerrp: with the mythnetvision you can add online content via the grabber scripts. I want to add some more (like PBS) but it doesn't show up in the list |
| [14:13:56] | justinh: | you'll be wanting to use the friendly fork they called 'MythTV-ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR' |
| [14:14:18] | wagnerrp: | if your locale causes the PBS grabber to be hidden |
| [14:14:34] | wagnerrp: | it is likely because PBS themselves implements IP filtering |
| [14:14:37] | Dj_FlyBy: | it shouldn't, PBS is Canadian and I am in Canada |
| [14:14:39] | wagnerrp: | so there was no use in allowing it |
| [14:15:59] | Dj_FlyBy: | in fact, I am in the same province that PBS is from |
| [14:16:45] | justinh: | do they let you get their stuff in an ordinary browser – without you resorting to funky tunnels/proxies? |
| [14:16:55] | Dj_FlyBy: | yup |
| [14:16:55] | justinh: | if so, you may have an argument. if not... |
| [14:17:00] | wagnerrp: | the province of massachuttes? |
| [14:17:31] | Dj_FlyBy: | justinh: yes I can view pbs via website and also via my iPhone |
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| [14:18:10] | Dj_FlyBy: | wagnerrp: are you saying there is an American PBS too? if so then maybe that is the issue (listing the USA PBS instead of the Canadian one) |
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| [14:20:10] | wagnerrp: | PBS is a US non-profit TV service, headquartered in arlington virginia, with the bulk of its scripted programming coming out of boston massachusetts |
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| [14:21:25] | Dj_FlyBy: | hmmmm, I never knew there was an american version, so then that would be my issue |
| [14:21:30] | wagnerrp: | they syndicate access to shows like Red Green, but that doesnt mean theyre canadian |
| [14:22:05] | wagnerrp: | what address are you accessing stuff from on your phone? |
| [14:23:33] | justinh: | ugh. my dad is an idiot. how he ended up with videos in rmvb format I'll never know – but I got the job of making them into something playable. Well done him for finding a format I'd never heard of til today |
| [14:24:18] | wagnerrp: | downloading chinese porn eh? |
| [14:24:33] | justinh: | I dunno what it is |
| [14:24:42] | justinh: | (yet) |
| [14:24:53] | wagnerrp: | something about those chinese, they like that rmvb |
| [14:24:57] | wagnerrp: | and theyre the only ones |
| [14:25:26] | justinh: | blinking realmedia. I thought they were dead already |
| [14:26:07] | Dj_FlyBy: | not too sure about the phone to be precise; it's on the wife's phone for the kids and she isn't here right now for me to check it |
| [14:27:13] | Dj_FlyBy: | so, skipping pbs since I Know the problem.... what about other grabbers that I find in the wiki list that say "anyone can view from anywhere" that do not appear in my list |
| [14:27:43] | justinh: | maybe you're missing stuff they need to work |
| [14:27:51] | Dj_FlyBy: | ie. revision 3 for example |
| [14:28:05] | justinh: | OMFG. I have some deleting to do. LOL |
| [14:28:09] | wagnerrp: | are you actually running 0.24? |
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| [14:28:17] | Dj_FlyBy: | ok, is there a doc I can read for me to figure that out? |
| [14:28:37] | justinh: | my dad sent me some videos to convert, and they all seem to be British soft-ish BDSM |
| [14:28:57] | justinh: | what in the frickin hell is he playing at?! |
| [14:29:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently the whip |
| [14:29:40] | wagnerrp: | "Some Videos can only be viewed in the US. Older show episodes tend to have no restrictions. Enough of the videos are viewable in any country for this grabber to be valuable out side of the US." |
| [14:29:57] | wagnerrp: | seems PBS does have some locale restriction, but none implemented directly by the grabber |
| [14:30:05] | wagnerrp: | if its installed, it should show up and list content |
| [14:30:30] | ** justinh files these under "no, couldn't do it, sorry" & copies to somewhere safe instead ** | |
| [14:30:37] | wagnerrp: | and revision 3 has no restriction |
| [14:30:59] | wagnerrp: | Dj_FlyBy: what version of mythtv are you running? |
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| [14:31:20] | justinh: | all I want for christmas is a streaming site which allows downloading so I don't have to use the stupid bloody flash player (which I really only take issue with because it tears) |
| [14:31:36] | Dj_FlyBy: | OMG.... how slow could I be today...... UUUUHHHHGGGGG ...... SiGH; sadly no, Ubuntu only has 0.23+fixes |
| [14:31:47] | Dj_FlyBy: | sorry to waste peoples time.... |
| [14:31:50] | Dj_FlyBy: | :( |
| [14:31:54] | justinh: | you need a different repo, man |
| [14:32:02] | justinh: | that's all |
| [14:32:07] | justinh: | no need to update the whole distro |
| [14:32:16] | Dj_FlyBy: | I know, I just can't believe that I missed something so small |
| [14:32:19] | justinh: | or wipe out the packages & install 0.24-fixes from source |
| [14:32:34] | wagnerrp: | anything back to 10.04 should have 0.24 and 0.25 repos available from mythbuntu |
| [14:32:45] | wagnerrp: | no sense bothering with 9.10 |
| [14:32:52] | Dj_FlyBy: | I'm on 10.04 LTS |
| [14:33:24] | wagnerrp: | yikes, the mad spammer is back in force |
| [14:33:55] | ** justinh wonders if the mark of the beast will be 14 characters long ** | |
| [14:34:06] | Dj_FlyBy: | guess i gotta find a repo to add then to get me up to 0.24 + |
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| [14:34:30] | justinh: | debian-multimedia, or mythbuntu... |
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| [14:34:50] | wagnerrp: | see the mythbuntu home page, they should have instructions on how to update |
| [14:35:29] | Dj_FlyBy: | appreciated.... I just want to get mythbuntu perfect before I try getting mediatomb to access it |
| [14:35:37] | Dj_FlyBy: | errr, mythtv |
| [14:35:52] | Dj_FlyBy: | I don't like mediatomb but so far it is the only thing that works for me |
| [14:36:13] | Yanch0: | is there any other distros instead of mythubuntu pls ? |
| [14:36:42] | wagnerrp: | Yanch0: there are hundreds, potentially thousands, of linux distros |
| [14:37:05] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, i meant which have mythtv on them ready tested out of the box |
| [14:37:08] | wagnerrp: | Dj_FlyBy: mediatomb or mythtv? |
| [14:37:34] | justinh: | if all you need to do is serve stuff over a network at home you don't want mythtv IMHO |
| [14:37:38] | wagnerrp: | knoppmyth, mythdora, linhes, minimyth |
| [14:37:57] | wagnerrp: | although they are in various states of abandonment |
| [14:37:58] | Dj_FlyBy: | mediatomb is the only thing I have been able to get to allow streaming to all my 'different' types of devices (iphone, ps3, and numerous dlna devices) |
| [14:38:35] | justinh: | linhes is actively developed |
| [14:38:36] | wagnerrp: | the built in mythtv upnp server doesnt do transcoding |
| [14:38:38] | justinh: | so's minimyth |
| [14:38:44] | wagnerrp: | so yeah, for a lot of stuff, you would need mediatomb |
| [14:38:55] | wagnerrp: | knoppmyth was abandoned for linhes |
| [14:39:09] | wagnerrp: | and mythdora has stagnated over a transition to rhel/centos |
| [14:39:24] | justinh: | centos?! |
| [14:39:39] | justinh: | for a system that needs up to date drivers, for tuners & the likes? LOL |
| [14:40:22] | wagnerrp: | ah, seems linhes is ja ms's |
| [14:40:45] | Yanch0: | guess ubuntu will still have the most support for hardware ey ? |
| [14:41:09] | wagnerrp: | modern linux will have the most support for hardware |
| [14:41:29] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu just follows a regular 6-month release schedule, and mythbuntu follows suit |
| [14:41:43] | Yanch0: | ic |
| [14:41:49] | justinh: | s/follows/blindly\ follows/ |
| [14:42:27] | wagnerrp: | which has resulted in some problems with respect to things ubuntu has done, diverging from the linux standard |
| [14:42:52] | Dj_FlyBy: | starting to think I should just scrap this Ubuntu 10.04 and install the "mythbuntu" itself |
| [14:43:16] | justinh: | wow. you noobs give up way to easy |
| [14:43:20] | justinh: | *too |
| [14:43:25] | Yanch0: | which then doesnt much answer my #1 question – in where the configuration when setting up, you choose which driver to use (choose nvidia) and selected which connection – s-video .. did that mean that the gpu will output only on s-video? |
| [14:43:41] | justinh: | if switching to a different repo is too much trouble, you don't really want to be using mythtv IMHO |
| [14:44:03] | wagnerrp: | i.e. implementing a new buggy init system, forcing all network configuration through something that doesnt start until you run X, transition to something more for mobile use than static PC use |
| [14:44:23] | justinh: | I mean the mythbuntu site gives you a link to a download, which when you activate it, pretty much does everything for you |
| [14:44:38] | wagnerrp: | Yanch0: that isnt mythtv configuration, that is basic linux/X configuration |
| [14:44:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just displays on whatever output you have linux configured to use |
| [14:45:01] | justinh: | man, I wish I could use wifi tethering (so I can connect to my home IP) and the work network at the same time |
| [14:45:19] | Yanch0: | also i am running a dist-upgrade on my mythubuntu – should i keep my current samba config? or install the packagemaintaner config? |
| [14:45:30] | Dj_FlyBy: | not a noob, just want it to be nice and easy this time around... lol... switching is not an issue nor a problem to do... but the system is a fresh install anyways so it's not like Im loosing anything or even needing to do backups for that matter |
| [14:45:38] | wagnerrp: | samba, another thing that has zero to do with mythtv |
| [14:45:47] | Yanch0: | thanks for the confirmation wagnerrp – at least now i know that this is the wrong channel for getting help on this x problem :) |
| [14:46:15] | wagnerrp: | its not that we dont want to help, but rather we cant help |
| [14:46:19] | justinh: | Dj_FlyBy: if you're not looking to use tv recording etc then mythtv is likely way over cooked for you |
| [14:46:30] | wagnerrp: | a good chunk of us in here run something other than ubuntu |
| [14:46:40] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what 'packagemaintainer' is |
| [14:46:43] | Dj_FlyBy: | I am doing recording (multiple tv tuners) |
| [14:46:50] | Yanch0: | install the package maintainer's version |
| [14:46:51] | justinh: | especially since, as wagnerrp explained earlier mythtv can't transcode to other formats on the fly for you |
| [14:47:02] | wagnerrp: | *cough* |
| [14:47:13] | justinh: | (yet) |
| [14:47:14] | Dj_FlyBy: | that is why I use mediatomb; to do the transcoding on the fly |
| [14:48:02] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I once thought setting up an SMB share would be dead easy on ubuntu.. right click on the dir, select SHARE... |
| [14:48:04] | Dj_FlyBy: | mythtv for me is for using my multiple tv tuners and bringing in online sources |
| [14:48:05] | justinh: | HAHAHAHA |
| [14:48:26] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, would i be putting you at a bad situation if i would ask you to recommend me an out of the box distro with myth already on it ? |
| [14:48:28] | wagnerrp: | upnp clients are on their own for online sources |
| [14:48:36] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision has no tie-in with the upnp server |
| [14:48:45] | Dj_FlyBy: | I also use mythtv to bring in my stuff from MiRO & Flexget |
| [14:48:59] | wagnerrp: | Yanch0: with no other information, i would recommend mythbuntu |
| [14:49:09] | justinh: | Yanch0: find one, try it. if you like it, stick with it |
| [14:49:37] | wagnerrp: | mirobridge will pull stuff into mythvideo, which can in turn be streamed out over upnp |
| [14:49:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what flexget is |
| [14:49:49] | justinh: | it's not as if any of the ready-made mythtv distros have steep learning curves |
| [14:49:50] | Yanch0: | well on my other 3 desktops i have ubuntu – love ubuntu – but seems this mythbuntu install is not going to be easy |
| [14:49:57] | Dj_FlyBy: | flexget is just an autodownloader or sorts |
| [14:50:01] | justinh: | so it won't be as if you'll have to spend weeks wasting time |
| [14:51:43] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i wonder if this guy just keeps going until he hits a certain number of new accounts |
| [14:53:32] | justinh: | Yanch0: mythbuntu install not easy? ROFLMAO |
| [14:53:40] | justinh: | honestly |
| [14:53:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i bet i would find mythbuntu difficult |
| [14:53:57] | justinh: | it's *as* easy.. if not easier |
| [14:54:04] | justinh: | (if it works) |
| [14:54:19] | wagnerrp: | just because i already have preset notions of how i want to do things, and [u|myth]buntu does them completely different |
| [14:54:32] | justinh: | though I've been much more impressed with knoppmyth, now linhes |
| [14:54:35] | Yanch0: | no in the sense it does many things too easy – and wonder whats doing what .. kind of why the smb config is totally different to that of ubuntu .. and also xorg configs ??! |
| [14:54:49] | justinh: | if I was to go with a ready-rolled distro it'd be linhes |
| [14:55:08] | wagnerrp: | Yanch0: for the most part, linux distros no longer have xorg configs |
| [14:55:21] | wagnerrp: | its all auto-configured by X and your hardware drivers at runtime |
| [14:56:30] | Yanch0: | well never had i any problem with out of the box installation on my vga – so am trying to collect facts from google at this stage. thanks for the note :) ,, strangely however that using livecd the vga works fine |
| [14:58:50] | justinh: | I swear users are getting too hard to please these days |
| [14:59:44] | Dj_FlyBy: | hmmm, maybe that is where I messed up the install.... I installed all of mythtv first, then the mythbuntu control center after... |
| [15:00:27] | wagnerrp: | justinh: you seem like a person who would know their way around records |
| [15:00:35] | wagnerrp: | (phonographs) |
| [15:00:52] | Yanch0: | justinh, not sure asking for a working vga on first boot is asking for too much – sorry if i am being arrogant :( |
| [15:01:15] | wagnerrp: | Yanch0: do you have anything plugged in besides the VGA output? |
| [15:01:51] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple things plugged in, autodetect may autodetect wrong |
| [15:02:08] | Yanch0: | keyboard / mouse (ps) and network cable. in pci there is the tv tuner but totally without cables – and also dmesg is not that happy with it yet |
| [15:02:35] | wagnerrp: | autodetect on the graphics card |
| [15:02:44] | Yanch0: | sorry. you meant at the gpu? no just old vga monitor |
| [15:05:04] | justinh: | wagnerrp: kind of, but really only from a DJing perspective |
| [15:06:12] | wagnerrp: | i got a USB turntable to capture some old records laying around |
| [15:06:22] | wagnerrp: | and the needle was carving up some 16cm 78 |
| [15:06:32] | wagnerrp: | bei rdo mentioned something about different needles for different rpms |
| [15:07:22] | wagnerrp: | or it could just be a crap record, since a 25cm 78 seemed to work much better |
| [15:08:02] | justinh: | wagnerrp: there is no such thing as a 'one size fits all' stylus. you really need a 78 stylus |
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| [15:08:43] | justinh: | 78s are completely different groove dimensions to yer good old 33 & 45s |
| [15:08:59] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [15:09:07] | justinh: | well not *completely* but the difference is appreciable & you can harm your records using the wrong one |
| [15:09:24] | justinh: | I say 'harm'.. not destroy, just wear out faster |
| [15:10:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: there's no real way to know what the material coming out of that 16cm 78 was. it may just have been much |
| [15:10:11] | justinh: | *muck |
| [15:10:35] | wagnerrp: | well these would be a one-and-done capture |
| [15:10:43] | wagnerrp: | once i digitize them, they may as well be trashed |
| [15:11:12] | wagnerrp: | would there be any difference in quality, or just increased wear? |
| [15:12:34] | Dj_FlyBy: | is 0.25 a stable release? |
| [15:12:34] | justinh: | I can't remember off the top of my head whether damage is going to be a real issue or not. I mean, if I could remember the stylus dimensions.. I'd bet 78s arent as fine as modern records |
| [15:12:54] | wagnerrp: | Dj_FlyBy: not at current, no |
| [15:13:11] | Dj_FlyBy: | so it would be wise to stick with updating to 0.24 then? |
| [15:13:23] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no, these are some home recordings from the 40s or so |
| [15:13:23] | justinh: | wagnerrp: hahaha 78 grooves are 3x more coarse than modern ones |
| [15:13:38] | wagnerrp: | stuff my great grandparents had stamped |
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| [15:14:03] | justinh: | wagnerrp: FWIW I'd look into getting those transcribed professionally, or at least with better gear than a crummy USB deck |
| [15:14:36] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, theyre in too poor shape to really be worth getting transcribed professionally |
| [15:14:39] | justinh: | the very idea of them sounds precious |
| [15:14:44] | justinh: | ah |
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| [15:15:15] | wagnerrp: | something we found stuffed in boxes cleaning out my grandparent's house |
| [15:15:24] | justinh: | well, go for it. record at as high a bit depth as you can manage, with plenty of headroom – play em through from start to finish |
| [15:15:52] | wagnerrp: | theres one with... god knows what kind of grime |
| [15:16:03] | justinh: | IIRC you might have slight problems with distortion as the groove approaches the end of the recording |
| [15:16:07] | wagnerrp: | if i had to guess, id say water spotting |
| [15:16:15] | wagnerrp: | from being in a flood |
| [15:16:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: quite easy to clean. some generic washing up liquid in lukewarm water.. dunk... then a brisk shake, then leave to stand to dry :) |
| [15:17:59] | justinh: | heh these guys explain it pretty well, & also sell 78 carts/styli |
| [15:18:01] | justinh: | http://www.esotericsound.com/CartStyli.htm |
| [15:18:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, thanks |
| [15:18:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, these things are very coarse |
| [15:18:46] | wagnerrp: | the 16cm ones are just under 2 minutes per side |
| [15:19:17] | justinh: | ! |
| [15:21:09] | justinh: | man, I miss yomping across town after town trying to find a shop which still sold styli |
| [15:22:46] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I'm surprised some of the turntables listed there have replaceable styli |
| [15:22:55] | justinh: | I dunno why, but I am :) |
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| [15:24:06] | wagnerrp: | the manual that came with it has one page describing how to change it |
| [15:24:10] | justinh: | oh wow. cool "If your turntable does not have the facility to play records at 78rpm, you can use Audacity's ability to change the speed of recordings to record your 78 rpm records at either 33 1/3 rpm or 45 rpm." |
| [15:24:18] | justinh: | audacity, of all things |
| [15:24:21] | wagnerrp: | and another 50 describing how to install the included beta version of audacity |
| [15:24:48] | wagnerrp: | the thing actually comes with the source, imagine that |
| [15:24:50] | wagnerrp: | how novel |
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| [15:25:43] | justinh: | I've been tempted to buy a USB turntable for transcribing my vinyl but I'm assured they're mostly much worse than my technics – which really ain't all that |
| [15:26:40] | wagnerrp: | considering this cost just twice when an average aftermarket stylus goes for... |
| [15:28:09] | justinh: | actually, I used to have a crappy £50 belt drive player that sounded better than my Technics SL1200s |
| [15:28:27] | justinh: | maybe one'd be worth a shot |
| [15:28:55] | justinh: | DJ carts are never what anybody could really call 'hifi' |
| [15:31:10] | wagnerrp: | google is failing |
| [15:31:25] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out how to find the supported resolution and frequency of alsa capture |
| [15:31:33] | wagnerrp: | it keeps giving me recipes for salsa |
| [15:35:13] | wagnerrp: | why would you spend $600 on a stylus? |
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| [15:36:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean i get the whole 'analog has infinite resolution' tripe, but no, it really doesnt |
| [15:37:31] | wagnerrp: | and if you cant capture every little audible bit of the sound digitally for later playback, then you just arent using a sufficiently high resolution A/D |
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| [15:50:37] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I dunno what gets the hifi nuts off |
| [15:50:43] | justinh: | I dont understand it either |
| [15:51:01] | justinh: | I mean there's 'hifi' and then there's 'HIFI' |
| [15:51:29] | justinh: | there's more than likely a psychological element to it |
| [15:52:28] | justinh: | wagnerrp: possibly only 16-bit for most external ADCs. lsusb & see if alsa supports 24-bit recording |
| [15:52:30] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats just product of my experimental testing training, if you cant digitally capture whatever phenomenon youre trying to capture, get a better A/D |
| [15:53:15] | justinh: | mind, I'd bet 16-bits would be more than enough given the source material |
| [15:53:29] | justinh: | just leave a few db headroom when recording |
| [15:53:55] | wagnerrp: | although the 24-bit 192kHz on my audigy is far and away much better than anything i ever saw being used in the testing labs |
| [15:54:27] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, the stuff in the testing labs probably had far better precision, linearity, and was NIST certified |
| [15:54:30] | justinh: | I generally only follow 'moar bits = better' because I know that further processing can really damage the effective bit depth |
| [15:55:02] | justinh: | I'd take everything SoundBlaster say with a pinch of autotune & cotton wool ;) |
| [15:55:29] | justinh: | having seen the crap I recorded from a SBLive! digital input when it was all 0 |
| [15:55:42] | wagnerrp: | digital input? |
| [15:55:52] | wagnerrp: | how could they screw that up? |
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| [15:55:59] | justinh: | digital zero from a pro cd player.. into SPDIF... like 68dB s/n |
| [15:56:15] | justinh: | I dunno *how* they did, but boy did they |
| [15:56:41] | justinh: | on the fly sample rate & bit depth conversion methinks |
| [15:57:02] | justinh: | I didn't really care. It sounded good to me |
| [15:57:38] | justinh: | I mean, every crappy soundcard I've ever owned is still way better than any affordable analogue tape |
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| [15:58:04] | wagnerrp: | well im installing audacity on the machine this is plugged into to capture, rather than arecord |
| [15:58:15] | wagnerrp: | presumably that will give me a vu meter to watch for clipping |
| [15:58:23] | justinh: | yeah you stand a better chance with audacity |
| [15:58:43] | justinh: | I'm off homewards now I think, before somebody grabs me with a last minute job |
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| [16:11:22] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [16:11:51] | jm|laptop: | one of my tuners is showing Signal 100%, S/N 2.2dB (_l__) No Lock. How might I start troubleshooting this? |
| [16:24:52] | sphery: | my recommendation would be to test the tuner outside of MythTV first--seems that it's not working properly/not tuning/not locking/... |
| [16:25:54] | sphery: | using tools from linuxtv-dvb-apps or whatever (scan/ascan/tscan/...) |
| [16:26:10] | sphery: | plus the *zap tools |
| [16:27:28] | jm|laptop: | sphery: okay |
| [16:29:06] | jm|laptop: | sphery: FE_STATUS: FE_HAS_SIGNAL FE_HAS_CARRIER FE_HAS_VITERBI FE_HAS_SYNC does this make sense to you? |
| [16:29:46] | jm|laptop: | Signal strength: 65535 SNR: 157 |
| [16:30:07] | jm|laptop: | hmm yesterday I was able to get the names of the channels on that mux |
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| [16:31:05] | sphery: | no idea... I don't know much about the dvb tools |
| [16:32:02] | jm|laptop: | k |
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| [16:34:08] | wagnerrp: | woman walks to an arizona gas station demanding money, claiming she had a bomb under he sweater |
| [16:34:25] | wagnerrp: | police catch her only to find the "bomb" was actually a penguin plushy |
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| [16:42:02] | sphery: | she must be one of those Linux zealots--a penguin! |
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| [17:34:20] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, sry to wihne, but do u have any other ideas how to get this darned nvidia to work please? |
| [17:34:34] | wagnerrp: | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| [17:34:56] | Yanch0: | boot the first time into mytubuntu |
| [17:35:53] | wagnerrp: | yes, but specifically youre trying to get it to output on some display |
| [17:35:56] | wagnerrp: | what display? vga? |
| [17:36:16] | Yanch0: | ow right – yes it is connected on vga – all the debug info i could think of is : http://pastebin.com/pbtHijVK |
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| [17:37:28] | Yanch0: | after boot – i get a lot of lines on my monitor – then after a few seconds : the monitor turns off and that's it – booting into recovery mode gets me fine to shell .. if i do startx im in the same problem |
| [17:39:51] | wagnerrp: | run this as root (using su) |
| [17:40:21] | wagnerrp: | 'X -configure; nvidia-xconfig -c /root/Xorg.conf.new -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| [17:40:55] | wagnerrp: | that will kill any existing xorg configuration you may have |
| [17:41:11] | wagnerrp: | and there is almost certainly a better way to do it in ubuntu |
| [17:41:55] | Yanch0: | didnt much help :( http://pastebin.com/XWXMkpKG |
| [17:41:59] | josef__: | i am experiencing a strange problem – when i use the default tuning method one channel won't play sound, but will play sound when i use fast tunning method |
| [17:42:35] | wagnerrp: | you used sudo, rather than su |
| [17:42:37] | Yanch0: | shall i just remove the X0-lock? |
| [17:42:39] | wagnerrp: | meaning the second command was not run as root |
| [17:42:54] | wagnerrp: | further, you need to terminate the existing X server before you can run this command |
| [17:43:07] | wagnerrp: | or maybe you could use 'X :1 -configure' |
| [17:43:16] | josef__: | but with fast tuning some other channels sometimes won't tune :/ |
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| [17:47:30] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, stopped x http://pastebin.com/3XQ1HQur – the vmwgfx should be ignored right ? |
| [17:48:24] | wagnerrp: | vmware? |
| [17:49:25] | Yanch0: | strange there is vmwlegacy and vmware there :S how / why they got installed? (unless part of ubuntu?) |
| [17:51:04] | wagnerrp: | youre not running this in a virtual machine are you? |
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| [17:52:12] | Yanch0: | no no! |
| [17:52:31] | Yanch0: | lol i would surely win retarded of the month award :P |
| [17:52:56] | wagnerrp: | there are people who insist on doing so, despite better judgement |
| [17:55:35] | Yanch0: | Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices – the gpu has 1 vga / 1 dvi / 1 svidoe |
| [17:56:24] | wagnerrp: | actually, whatever card that is does not support more than two outputs |
| [17:56:41] | wagnerrp: | it may be able to select two out of the available three, but no more than two at a time |
| [17:56:52] | wagnerrp: | what card? |
| [17:57:11] | Yanch0: | fx5600 |
| [18:02:40] | Yanch0: | wondering if putting linhes might fix this? |
| [18:03:22] | wagnerrp: | people in #ubuntu could probably help |
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| [18:11:23] | blscearce: | Could I ask a general rookie question? I bought hardware for a MythTV box a few years ago, but didn't finish the setup. This past weekend, I got everything more or less working. But my local cable company now uses digital cable, and my Hauppauge PVR-150 PCI card doesn't see the digital channels, so I can only see about 20 of the 100 channels my cable company offers. Easy question: |
| [18:11:23] | blscearce: | what video capture device should I buy to capture the digital channels (I think "QAM" is the jargon I should be looking for)? The Myth FAQs and archives list a lot of them, I want to make sure I don't get the worst supported choice. Slightly harder question: if I get a USB rather than PCI video capture device, how's the bandwidth — can I plug two or three of them into a single USB hub? |
| [18:11:45] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
| [18:11:53] | blscearce: | Comcast in Fremont California |
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| [18:12:14] | wagnerrp: | get a hdhomerun prime or dcr-2650 |
| [18:12:27] | blscearce: | Thank you. |
| [18:12:32] | wagnerrp: | and rent a cablecard to slot into it from comcast |
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| [18:12:55] | wagnerrp: | you should receive everything you subscribe to, short of the premium channels |
| [18:13:12] | blscearce: | Is Comcast's digital stuff encrypted? Would a QAM grabber not be sufficient? |
| [18:13:18] | wagnerrp: | surprising you still get _any_ analog channels with comcast |
| [18:13:32] | wagnerrp: | most franchises have shut that down in favor of the mini-boxes |
| [18:13:46] | wagnerrp: | anything beyond the local broadcast channels will be encrypted |
| [18:13:56] | wagnerrp: | which means you need a cablecard tuner to receive them |
| [18:14:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is no licensed by cable labs, meaning such cablecard tuners are only allowed to give us the 'copy freely' channels |
| [18:14:41] | blscearce: | I have a two-tuner TiVo already, and have an ugly setup with cable fed straight into one TiVo RF input for non-digtal stuff, and another cable going through one of their "boxes" and an IR blaster so the TiVo can change its channels. |
| [18:14:42] | wagnerrp: | but on comcast, typically only the premiums (hbo, showtime, etc...) are copy protected |
| [18:15:47] | wagnerrp: | you can instead use your PVR-150, or get an HDPVR, and set up an IR blaster or firewire control of a cable box |
| [18:15:56] | wagnerrp: | but its a hassle |
| [18:16:06] | wagnerrp: | and an unnecessary one if cablecard tuners are an option |
| [18:17:35] | blscearce: | Great, thanks. I actually have two 150s in the box, and I've marked all the digital channels as "not visible", but I don't even see how I could handle this with a blaster and one tuner getting all channels and the other getting just analog ones — probably have to set up another Schedules Direct lineup, which I don't know how to do. |
| [18:18:23] | wagnerrp: | a scheduled direct subscription allows up to four lineups, you set them up just like you did the first one |
| [18:18:56] | wagnerrp: | although there is currently a limitation that it only allows one instance per type per zip code |
| [18:19:32] | wagnerrp: | so for instance, you couldnt have two separate lineups of 'comcast digital cable at zip code XXXXX' with different marked out channels |
| [18:20:02] | wagnerrp: | you can either run mythfilldatabase with a flag telling it not to pull new channels, and leave all the channels as visible on schedules direct |
| [18:20:16] | wagnerrp: | or you can just use a lineup from a nearby zip code |
| [18:20:37] | blscearce: | Thank you — I may pursue that so I can continue to use one of the 150s for still-existing analog channels while I add the HDHomerun Prime or DCR-2650. |
| [18:21:11] | wagnerrp: | if you still get analog channels, there should be separate lineups for analog comcast and digital comcast available on SD |
| [18:21:50] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, the ppa Mythbuntu 0.25 is down , the last good compilation is 0.25.20111116 |
| [18:22:13] | blscearce: | When I did the Myth config and gave it my username/password for SD, it only seemed to have one lineup listed — I suppose I have to do some work on SD's website to create the second lineup? |
| [18:22:13] | wagnerrp: | dont tell me, tell the mythbuntu guys |
| [18:22:36] | wagnerrp: | correct, as mentioned, they allow up to four |
| [18:24:32] | blscearce: | What's the interface between a homerun prime and the myth backend? The box looks like it has both USB and ethernet. |
| [18:24:56] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR and DCR are actually the same exact device |
| [18:25:24] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR connects through ethernet, with the USB host port for use with tuning adapters (you dont need one) |
| [18:25:34] | wagnerrp: | the DCR connects through usb, and only has two active tuners |
| [18:25:42] | Beirdo: | so tired |
| [18:26:01] | wagnerrp: | internally, they are the same, although i dont know if that third tuner on the DCR is absent, or just deactivated |
| [18:27:21] | blscearce: | Thanks. If I call Comcast and say I want a cablecard, will they know what I mean? Is there some specific jargon I should use? |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | technically, every cable box (not including the mini boxes) they rent has one of these in side |
| [18:28:11] | blscearce: | I only have the minibox. |
| [18:28:24] | wagnerrp: | its an fcc requirement, under the false assumption that would make 3rd party boxes just as capable as the first party rentals |
| [18:28:44] | wagnerrp: | in practice, it varies |
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| [18:29:20] | wagnerrp: | the CSRs should know what youre talking about, but since these devices started being used back in august or so, there have been a wide range of reported experiences |
| [18:29:52] | wagnerrp: | ranging from a couple hours with a self install to get it working |
| [18:30:13] | wagnerrp: | to weeks on the phone with customer service, and several different techs, before finally getting it working |
| [18:30:22] | sphery: | wow, the newegg Google Offer (buy $40 certificate for $20) sold out fast--about an hour |
| [18:31:30] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
| [18:32:11] | kormoc: | I'm waiting for someone to do a deal 'Buy $20 for $40' and see how many people just buy it without thinking |
| [18:32:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: these records were ones made for an advertisement for their general store in appalachia |
| [18:32:30] | wagnerrp: | theyre talking about it being great to find holiday gifts |
| [18:32:52] | sphery: | kormoc: hehe, that would be hilarious (though likely would get them into some legal troubles :) |
| [18:32:55] | blscearce: | Lovely. Well, this box was gathering dust for three years, if it takes another two weeks to get everthing up and running, I guess I can survive it. If I could pick your brain for one last question: I tried using mytharchive to burn a DVD — it failed at the very end after ffmpeg and another longish step succeeded, looked like it was trying to create pictures for the menu screen. Googling |
| [18:32:55] | blscearce: | the error message ("IOError: can't use mode I with JPEG" or something, don't have my notes in front of me) was not fruitful. Have other newbies been complaining about this as well? |
| [18:33:12] | wagnerrp: | 'if you love an old maid, we have the gift that you want. if you love someone else's wife, we furnish the gun.' |
| [18:33:29] | wagnerrp: | oh 1940's backwater sensibility |
| [18:33:30] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [18:34:13] | wagnerrp: | burn dvds to what end? |
| [18:34:23] | wagnerrp: | if for your own archival storage, dont bother, just buy more hard drives |
| [18:34:37] | blscearce: | Ok. |
| [18:34:39] | Beirdo: | actually, that's not that backwater |
| [18:34:41] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:34:51] | wagnerrp: | if to play on a hardware player in a different room, look into a remote frontend, or a small upnp frontend |
| [18:34:58] | wagnerrp: | oh, "hill people" |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | as one who had someone else loving my wife... I coulda used said gun |
| [18:35:02] | wagnerrp: | s/oh/ok/ |
| [18:35:52] | wagnerrp: | if to take over to a friends house or similar, id still say one of those small upnp media players, along with a usb key to store the recording on |
| [18:36:04] | wagnerrp: | DVDs are a PITA |
| [18:36:16] | wagnerrp: | and transcoding to author a video dvd, doubly so |
| [18:36:53] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [18:37:13] | blscearce: | No, I was thinking mostly of archiving. |
| [18:37:56] | wagnerrp: | ever tried to recover any significant amount of data off optical media before? |
| [18:39:07] | wagnerrp: | well, its not fun |
| [18:39:48] | wagnerrp: | at ~4GB/disk, youre looking at hundreds of discs, and multiple days of non-stop disc changing, to recover even a single hard drive |
| [18:39:56] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, installing linhes – trying it again .. this seems much more media box oriented – the set up is by far cooler |
| [18:40:21] | blscearce: | Does ~$200 for the HDHR sound right? Want to make sure I'm ordering the right hardware |
| [18:40:38] | wagnerrp: | unless youve got a carousel or some other form of robotic loader, its just not worth the effort compared to archiving to an offline hard drive |
| [18:40:49] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right for the Prime |
| [18:40:55] | skd5aner: | actually... |
| [18:41:01] | wagnerrp: | the 2-tuner clear QAM version is closer to $100 |
| [18:41:03] | skd5aner: | I think the prime is one sale right now |
| [18:41:14] | wagnerrp: | retail for the prime is $250 last i checked |
| [18:41:33] | skd5aner: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345006 |
| [18:41:35] | blscearce: | I'm lazy about running CAT5 cables and I'm a little worried that my 802.11g bandwidth won't be enough for all the video flying around. |
| [18:41:40] | ** Beirdo scratches his head. ** | |
| [18:41:48] | skd5aner: | could have got itfor $169 today, but sold out |
| [18:41:51] | wagnerrp: | yes, 802.11g is insufficient |
| [18:41:58] | Beirdo: | what exactly did I get shipped from Lexington, KY, I wonder? |
| [18:42:10] | wagnerrp: | horse meat |
| [18:42:13] | Beirdo: | hh |
| [18:42:15] | Beirdo: | coal? |
| [18:42:23] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: honestly, not in a rush – but just curious how the hdpvr killer build is going? |
| [18:42:42] | wagnerrp: | marijuana |
| [18:42:43] | Beirdo: | Heh, it should be shipping tomorrow |
| [18:42:53] | wagnerrp: | didnt you hear? that's kentucky's biggest cash crop! |
| [18:42:54] | skd5aner: | some of my primary shows that I record via the HDPVR are on mid-season break right now anyway |
| [18:43:09] | skd5aner: | so... not as critical if sports center at 2AM goes 0B |
| [18:43:13] | Beirdo: | I just finished watching my backlog of Justified... so timely |
| [18:44:31] | Beirdo: | hehe, that's in wagnerrp's stomping grounds almost. |
| [18:44:39] | ** Beirdo gives him the evil eye :) ** | |
| [18:44:50] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if James Pifer understands what a 'SAN' is |
| [18:44:53] | Beirdo: | maybe it was that LP I bought off ebay |
| [18:45:48] | Beirdo: | nope that says Tully, NY |
| [18:46:39] | blscearce: | Can I use the clear QAM box? Does the fact that I'm currently using a cardless minibox mean that Comcast is sending me unencrypted QAM, and I don't need the cablecard-using Prime box? |
| [18:47:03] | wagnerrp: | no, those mini boxes capture video in whats called 'privacy mode' |
| [18:47:24] | wagnerrp: | its just a cheap little single DES stream encryption |
| [18:47:30] | blscearce: | Apologies again for the stupid questions, there's a severe impedance mismatch between the terminology used by Comcast and all the hardware/myth docs. |
| [18:47:39] | blscearce: | Got it, thanks. |
| [18:47:52] | wagnerrp: | intended to be much cheaper to implement than the PCCard slot and cablecard modular system |
| [18:47:58] | wagnerrp: | technically, its illegal to use |
| [18:48:04] | wagnerrp: | so they had to get waivers to enable them |
| [18:48:09] | blscearce: | ?? Comcast gave it to me. |
| [18:48:43] | wagnerrp: | digital cable in the US is required to use the cablecard modular encryption system, or otherwise be unencrypted |
| [18:48:45] | Beirdo: | meh, I give up, I'll see when I get home |
| [18:49:05] | blscearce: | Actually never mind — I'm already behind on the technical aspects of all this stuff, I am sure the legal aspects are even more arcane and uninteresting |
| [18:49:12] | wagnerrp: | comcast and other cable providers implementing those mini-boxes to replace analog cable had to petition for a special waiver to enable the privacy mode |
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| [18:49:42] | wagnerrp: | prior to getting their waiver, those channels coming through the minibox actually were unencrypted, and could be accessed by any clear qam tuner |
| [18:49:56] | dekarl-too: | FabriceMG: the ppa has likely been fixed ~12 hours ago, just wait for the next run |
| [18:52:41] | dekarl-too: | see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/28/%23ubuntu-mythtv.html and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv . . . revision/467 |
| [18:53:20] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
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| [18:57:03] | skd5aner: | hey – I haven't been following Ron's Ceton patches at all (other than just knowing he had them), but how good are they? Would they be good enough to merge into master or will they always be "third party"? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/497718 |
| [18:59:24] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: He updated them for master at our request |
| [18:59:36] | iamlindoro: | though the last message in that thread makes me want to veto them on principal |
| [18:59:37] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ahh, cool :) |
| [18:59:48] | iamlindoro: | "The devs are such jerks, can't believe this won't be supported for two releases" |
| [19:00:22] | iamlindoro: | All we've said is that the Ceton device (and the HDHR Prime, for that matter) should be supported by the DRI/OCUR recorder, which is how cablelabs specifies they be interfaced with |
| [19:00:30] | iamlindoro: | versus a one-off driver for each device |
| [19:00:41] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: not sure I have the whole thread – just the parent message that gossamer currently shows |
| [19:00:43] | wagnerrp: | two releases? |
| [19:00:45] | iamlindoro: | We've never said having a stopgap for a release wasn't acceptable |
| [19:00:53] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I presume he means .25 + .26 |
| [19:01:11] | wagnerrp: | how does he know an OCUR recorder wont make it into 0.26? |
| [19:01:16] | wagnerrp: | seems more like one release |
| [19:01:46] | skd5aner: | is the OCUR recorder an all-in-one kind of solution for CC based tuners? |
| [19:01:55] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:02:00] | skd5aner: | I was never really clear on what that was |
| [19:02:13] | wagnerrp: | all such devices expose themselves over UPNP |
| [19:02:28] | wagnerrp: | for autodetection, tuning, and capture |
| [19:02:28] | skd5aner: | is it fully featured, or would each solution have unique specs and/or features the OCUR recorder wouldn't be able to cover |
| [19:02:41] | wagnerrp: | it should be generic |
| [19:03:00] | wagnerrp: | although there may be other functionality available through the old HDHR interface |
| [19:03:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, FiOS does Cablecards? /me shall have to look into one of these... |
| [19:04:06] | skd5aner: | Why does Ron have so much interest in developing a solution for the Ceton card? simply because he wanted to use it or because he had some afiliation with the maker or other incentive to do so? |
| [19:04:25] | wagnerrp: | he bought one, and then wanted to make it work |
| [19:04:31] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Believe he just wanted to use it-- Daniel has been provided with hardware and support by the manufacturer |
| [19:04:49] | iamlindoro: | and likely monetary incentive, but I am not sure about that |
| [19:05:02] | skd5aner: | yea, I remember Daniel started to work on it (OCUR) over a year ago if I recall |
| [19:05:44] | skd5aner: | is his work to-date not as complete as needed to support it? |
| [19:05:55] | iamlindoro: | It's not even remotely complete IIRc |
| [19:06:51] | sphery: | I still can't believe the number of people who are buying Ceton InfiniTV cards--that aren't yet supported--rather than HDHR Primes--that are |
| [19:07:13] | wagnerrp: | because they have that one more tuner |
| [19:07:18] | sphery: | I'd think people would buy whichever one had the best support (unless they were actually trying to help finish the OCUR recorder) |
| [19:07:26] | skd5aner: | that's dissapointing... not because I think he should have it done, but because if a manufacturer was sponsoring his work to enable support for linux/mythtv with that much advance of the product release, that it still took a "non-dev" with no support to actually build the solution (not trying to knock on Daniel) |
| [19:07:35] | sphery: | yeah, but 3 vs 4 is... not a big deal |
| [19:07:57] | skd5aner: | and some people want the internal solution |
| [19:07:59] | sphery: | I'm sure there's much more to the story than we know |
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| [19:08:07] | skd5aner: | sphery: it's 25% more, for about the same price :) |
| [19:08:08] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well, its not the solution, more of a temporary work around |
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| [19:08:15] | sphery: | skd5aner: no, same price per tuner |
| [19:08:32] | wagnerrp: | i recall at least some while back, daniel was stalled waiting for improved drivers and/or firmware |
| [19:08:55] | skd5aner: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345006 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815706001 ? |
| [19:09:01] | skd5aner: | how is that same price per tuner? |
| [19:09:11] | sphery: | recent deals were $169.99 for HDHR Prime (3 tuners @ $56.66/tuner) or $219.99 for InfiniTV (4 tuners @ $55.00/tuner) |
| [19:09:25] | sphery: | and, yeah, you may say, "But I'm saving $1.66 per tuner!" |
| [19:09:25] | skd5aner: | well, without the $30 rebate :) |
| [19:09:27] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: The scope of writing a proper DRI interface is probably a good deal larger than writing a device specific one |
| [19:09:44] | wagnerrp: | at least to me, the bigger deciding factor would be PCI[e] versus ethernet |
| [19:09:47] | skd5aner: | yea, probably true |
| [19:09:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, that's what I was saying... |
| [19:10:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I agree, I personally would not buy a Ceton until we could provide official support for it |
| [19:10:14] | wagnerrp: | would i want it all internal, or would i want to be able to hit it from another machine for testing purposes |
| [19:10:28] | sphery: | anyway, if all these people want to build their own builds |
| [19:10:32] | wagnerrp: | (beyond the cludgy "bridge the internal network onto your home network") |
| [19:10:50] | sphery: | though I have to admit I hate the idea of including the hacked-together support for now |
| [19:10:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: also, according to newegg, the only way I could "Turn your PC into the world’s coolest set-top box" is to get the ceton card |
| [19:11:03] | sphery: | because that makes it /our/ responsibility to properly transition people's hacked-up databases to proper one |
| [19:11:11] | skd5aner: | and, as far as priorities are considered, coolness factor has to be at the top of the list |
| [19:11:18] | sphery: | that is true |
| [19:11:30] | sphery: | that's why we all run Atom-based systems... only 4 watts! |
| [19:11:42] | wagnerrp: | (plus another 20 for the chipset) |
| [19:11:44] | sphery: | nevermind the other 31 watts I'm using to run chipset and graphics |
| [19:12:00] | sphery: | or 8 watts for the dual core atom |
| [19:12:04] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [19:12:29] | sphery: | but, hey, it's cool and Intel Marketing says it's "power efficient" (where, presumably, "efficient" means "constrained") |
| [19:12:40] | wagnerrp: | its actually 10W for the latest chips, cpu, northbridge, and graphics |
| [19:12:40] | sphery: | sorry, just had to get another Atom jab in |
| [19:12:58] | sphery: | now that Fusion and Sandy Bridge are here, I don't expect to have much more time to knock Atom |
| [19:12:59] | wagnerrp: | but you still need another 10–15W for a decent nvidia chip to do video playback |
| [19:13:07] | wagnerrp: | plus another 5–10W for memory |
| [19:13:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe 5–10W for other sundry motherboard tasks, network, possibly a small hard drive |
| [19:14:05] | wagnerrp: | and youre still right back in the same realm as a properly built i3 |
| [19:14:17] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't know the details, but basing my numbers on Intel's TDP numbers and the "overall system" numbers I've seen in various places |
| [19:14:56] | sphery: | but agreed--the i3 approach gives you a useful system that idles at the same level, but has headroom when required |
| [19:15:16] | sphery: | of course, it requires a little more planning than just buying some OEM's "box of the month" |
| [19:15:21] | skd5aner: | I'm in the market for a new desktop... was thinking about doing an miniITX board this time and an i5 |
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| [19:15:31] | sphery: | that would be a nice system |
| [19:15:55] | sphery: | didn't wagnerrp find a nie miniitx board for Core i with nvidia vdpau-compatible graphics on it? |
| [19:16:00] | sphery: | (like even recent nvidia) |
| [19:16:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo's running one of those for his backend |
| [19:16:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... CableCard is only $3.99/month for FiOS... If I only had a HDHR Prime or Ceton... |
| [19:16:39] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Prime |
| [19:16:40] | Beirdo: | almost :) |
| [19:16:46] | Beirdo: | my backend has NO video |
| [19:17:01] | Beirdo: | miniITX with i7–860 thoguh |
| [19:17:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: "Is your monitor turned on? Another common problem." |
| [19:17:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, sphery got the nvidia graphics in before i said that |
| [19:17:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe |
| [19:17:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: talking about this one? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=22474547 |
| [19:17:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:17:50] | sphery: | the 430 |
| [19:17:52] | sphery: | would be perfect |
| [19:18:08] | wagnerrp: | replace the G840 for an i5 that bottoms out at $190 |
| [19:18:13] | sphery: | that's using basically a laptop approach to the "integrated" graphics, right? |
| [19:18:27] | wagnerrp: | a bit more than twice the performance, a bit more than twice the cost |
| [19:18:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: but it's Black, and my two HDHRs are White... they wouldn't match. ;-) But I guess I could spray-paint the HDHRs black to match... [hehehe, just kidding] |
| [19:18:48] | sphery: | so on Sandy Bridge and Fusion, can you actually disable the graphics? |
| [19:18:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well not exactly, it actually has a desktop GT430 chip on the motherboard |
| [19:19:01] | sphery: | or is it bios-specific or ... |
| [19:19:04] | sphery: | right |
| [19:19:04] | wagnerrp: | not a laptop part |
| [19:19:15] | sphery: | oh |
| [19:19:17] | wagnerrp: | hence why its so much cheaper than the Asrock parts |
| [19:19:39] | wagnerrp: | also, there is some debate as to whether the 430 has access to that HDMI port for HDMI audio |
| [19:19:41] | sphery: | so, with the Intel HD Graphics in your sandy bridge, would that be gated or anything? |
| [19:19:52] | sphery: | since you'd be using the mobo graphics, instead? |
| [19:19:55] | wagnerrp: | it would likely be disabled |
| [19:20:03] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:20:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont think the board supports any kind of 'hybrid' mode |
| [19:20:31] | wagnerrp: | i think the onboard and the... onboard are completely independent |
| [19:20:43] | sphery: | as it would be a real waste to have the distro auto-configure dual X servers or Xinerama or its ilk just because of the sandy graphics |
| [19:20:45] | wagnerrp: | hdmi and display port off the intel, two dvi off the nvidia |
| [19:21:10] | sphery: | yeah, and hybrid with different vendors is likely to be a pipe dream for quite some time longer |
| [19:21:46] | wagnerrp: | no, Lucid Virtu technology, so it should do hybrid |
| [19:22:42] | sphery: | ah, so just needs Linux driver support? |
| [19:22:49] | wagnerrp: | potentially |
| [19:23:58] | sphery: | though virtu looks very DirectX specific |
| [19:24:30] | sphery: | so maybe needs some OpenGL changes, too |
| [19:25:48] | wagnerrp: | as of march 16, phoronix reported there were no plans for linux support |
| [19:26:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you could even get full-time passthrough working on linux |
| [19:27:10] | sphery: | yeah, I'm guessing X makes that challenging |
| [19:27:28] | sphery: | might need a new X server, even, or at least a modification (like the EGL type stuff) |
| [19:27:31] | wagnerrp: | due to DRM/DRI needs? |
| [19:28:19] | sphery: | guess if it's abstracted low enough, it could be done with existing X |
| [19:28:33] | sphery: | so, yeah, might be doable at that layer or something |
| [19:29:59] | skd5aner: | sphery: this board – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130596 |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | thats micro, not mini |
| [19:30:33] | sphery: | ah, cool--so that with discrete gpu |
| [19:30:36] | skd5aner: | that said, I think newegg is having some struggles right now |
| [19:30:51] | skd5aner: | it has integrated, but also supports discrete |
| [19:30:51] | sphery: | this was wagnerrp's: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500070 |
| [19:31:05] | wagnerrp: | that board does not have integrated graphics |
| [19:31:54] | sphery: | yeah, it's saying none for onboard video chipset to me |
| [19:32:31] | skd5aner: | I think H is integrated (can't overclock), P is discrete (can overclock), and Z is integrated (can overclock) |
| [19:33:01] | wagnerrp: | no, intel does not provide any integrated graphics solution for 5x series chipsets and later |
| [19:33:07] | skd5aner: | hmmm, newegg doesn't load anything for me now – just says they have server problems |
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| [19:33:42] | sphery: | (maybe all those people who basically took down Google Wallet (formerly Google Checkout) while trying to purchase the newegg $40 certificates for $20 from Google Offers) |
| [19:34:05] | sphery: | took me almost a full hour to get mine--and they sold out in just about an hour |
| [19:34:06] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: for nehalem, the 2-core chips came with integrated graphics, and the motherboard was just a passthrough |
| [19:34:30] | wagnerrp: | for sandy and ivy bridge, all 2-core and 4-core chips come with integrated graphics, again with the motherboard just doing passthrough |
| [19:34:42] | wagnerrp: | the chip provides the graphics, not the motherboard |
| [19:34:50] | skd5aner: | Yes... I suppose that's correct |
| [19:35:35] | sphery: | but ivy bridge is where it's at... will be much lower power and much higher-performance graphics |
| [19:36:05] | sphery: | (intel is claiming they'll be up with the big 2 for graphics--amd/nvidia--with it, but I'm not holding my breath :) |
| [19:36:28] | skd5aner: | so, say I wanted to covert this to a frontend... what would that mean for decoding and playback of video... any acceleration capabilities, or would it be all software decoding? |
| [19:37:07] | sphery: | I'd recommend the path of least resistance/path of greatest return--i.e. nvidia vdpau-capable gpu |
| [19:37:12] | skd5aner: | yea... |
| [19:37:18] | sphery: | even if you have an on-chip gpu, like with sandy bridge/fusion |
| [19:37:24] | skd5aner: | I haven't even tried anything outside of nvidia in linux since 2002 |
| [19:37:41] | skd5aner: | that's why I ask – no first-hand experience |
| [19:38:04] | skd5aner: | http://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2011/06/09/h . . . ght-for-you/ |
| [19:38:09] | sphery: | yeah, I use amd/ati for all my systems except mythfrontend systems, but then again, I use the FOSS drivers and my graphics are basically 2D framebuffers on all my non-frontend systems |
| [19:38:32] | sphery: | i.e. not what most people want in graphics, today |
| [19:38:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: eww. ATI? ewww.... |
| [19:38:51] | sphery: | after all, if your windows don't burst into flames when you close them, what good is your computer? |
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| [19:39:07] | sphery: | I love my amd graphics... |
| [19:39:16] | sphery: | works great with my amd cpus |
| [19:39:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I have AMD cpus, but use nvidia gfx. ;-) |
| [19:39:46] | sphery: | but only because I don't ask much of them (since asking much of them on GNU/Linux is very challenging) |
| [19:40:06] | sphery: | Yeah, I have integrated graphics on all my systems |
| [19:40:16] | sphery: | (non-frontend ones, that is) |
| [19:41:02] | skd5aner: | I don't game anymore... so for my desktop, I don't really care that much |
| [19:41:13] | sphery: | with the exception of a really old one that used to be a windows gaming rig with a Radeon 9800 Pro and that just won't die |
| [19:41:16] | sphery: | stupid old computer |
| [19:41:54] | skd5aner: | I'm still using an old Dell PII 450 that's got to be almost 14–15 years old now... it acts as my router/firewall :) |
| [19:41:55] | sphery: | yeah, my only gaming computer is my mythtv dev box, which has a hand-me-down nvidia graphics card from an old frontend system |
| [19:42:04] | sphery: | and it's mainly for minecraft :) |
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| [19:42:12] | sphery: | (yeah, I know it "works" on GNU/Linux :) |
| [19:42:16] | skd5aner: | oooh, 4bit graphics! |
| [19:42:43] | wagnerrp: | only 4-bit graphics? |
| [19:42:52] | skd5aner: | that's what minecraft looks like to me |
| [19:42:58] | skd5aner: | probably more like 8 bit, but still |
| [19:43:05] | sphery: | Java works fine on GNU/Linux, but Minecraft is native code (Lightweight Java Gaming Library is all native code), which begs the question of why the guy used Java in the first place |
| [19:43:11] | wagnerrp: | i could see 8-bit |
| [19:43:12] | sphery: | it's about like writing a replacement for MythVideo in bash |
| [19:43:18] | sphery: | it's 8-bit colors |
| [19:43:23] | wagnerrp: | but i think you actually have to try harder to pull off 4-bit rendering |
| [19:43:29] | kormoc: | skd5aner, it uses HDR 32 bit rendering and down samples them to 8 bit |
| [19:43:37] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: heh – it was an exageration |
| [19:43:46] | sphery: | 8-bit is challenging--I made a custom skin for my character and it wasn't easy making it look "good enough" |
| [19:43:56] | kormoc: | cause it'll look better in the end. Just like down sampling HD audio sounds better then using the provided stereo feed |
| [19:44:15] | skd5aner: | don't get me wrong – I love 8-bit gaming... just saying, it doesn't demad a lot from a graphics card |
| [19:44:27] | sphery: | someone hasn't ever played minecraft |
| [19:44:36] | sphery: | I can overheat my GF7800GTX |
| [19:44:43] | sphery: | with nvidia drivers on Windows |
| [19:44:50] | skd5aner: | interesting |
| [19:44:59] | sphery: | it's extremely inefficient |
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| [19:45:25] | skd5aner: | I think I saw last week they ported minecraft to android and maybe iOS |
| [19:45:35] | sphery: | i.e. developed in a garage versus developed over a 10–15yr period by a gaming company that's customizing native code for specific cpu and gpu capabilities |
| [19:45:53] | sphery: | yeah, you get "creative" mode on android/ios |
| [19:46:03] | skd5aner: | is minecraft really that fun? |
| [19:46:17] | sphery: | means you can just build things, but there's no real challenge--no "mobs" (monsters) and no working to find resources you need |
| [19:46:33] | skd5aner: | I watched a few youtube videos on it like a year ago and I thought to myself "uh, this seems like nothing more than a huge time waster" |
| [19:46:40] | sphery: | IMHO, it's like Age of Empires and SimCity and ... , but without the war/disasters/... |
| [19:46:51] | sphery: | i.e. build whatever you want |
| [19:47:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, what are the monsters you have to defend against, all the video ive seen is just that of people building fancy creations |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | and if you ever play it, you /must/ watch http://www.youtube.com/show/minecraft (specifically the "Season 1: Minecraft saga (Shadow of Israphel)" show) |
| [19:48:24] | sphery: | if you don't play it, you can get a good idea of what it's about and how it becomes fun just by watching (the early ones were a couple of very funny people playing the game and just figuring it out, but then it "evolved" into a real drama) |
| [19:48:28] | dekarl-too: | why does that sound like 8bit second life? |
| [19:49:09] | sphery: | monsters like zombies and skeletons (with arrows--so they attack from a distance) and creepers (that blow up) and enderman (that teleport away/back) and spiders and ... |
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| [19:49:44] | sphery: | it's basically a joke/parody of World of Warcraft--that became extremly popular and became a very good game in its own right |
| [19:51:14] | wagnerrp: | why is there a naked bearded dwarf out in the snow? |
| [19:51:42] | sphery: | hehe, keep watching... I'm at episode 63, now, and it's only getting better |
| [19:52:00] | sphery: | remember, though, parody of WoW, thus the dwarf |
| [19:52:07] | wagnerrp: | hover trees! |
| [19:52:22] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, gravity works differently in minecraft than here |
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| [20:01:06] | skd5aner: | "we're so screwed" |
| [20:01:32] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: do you get a disturbing number of "related videos" that could potentially be porn? on youtube? |
| [20:01:52] | skd5aner: | yea... not sure what "self breast exam" has to do with a minecraft series |
| [20:01:57] | skd5aner: | or "parto in un letto" |
| [20:02:16] | wagnerrp: | realita cinta dan rock n roll |
| [20:02:52] | wagnerrp: | with tens of millions of views |
| [20:04:27] | wagnerrp: | are we actually going to see anything? or are these guys just going to continue to scream at unrecognizable blocks? |
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| [20:09:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dang 'bundle' contracts... I'm locked in for 6 more months – was hoping to 'downgrade' my TV/Internet plan to save some cash... grrr.... |
| [20:09:23] | skd5aner: | lol – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1LmQZxJvN8 |
| [20:10:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just wondering if you write for The Inquirer? http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2127 . . . t-flourishes |
| [20:11:21] | sphery: | I'm hoping some Mint user will make a nice little, "enable mythbuntu repos" tool, like the mythbuntu one ( http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos ) does for *buntu users |
| [20:11:47] | sphery: | anyway, thought it was funny that they published an article that said the same thing you had said over a month ago |
| [20:11:57] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: that was amusing, but much like madtv, the joke ran long past when it stopped being funny |
| [20:12:05] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [20:12:10] | skd5aner: | I sent about 20 seconds into it |
| [20:12:46] | sphery: | hehe, maybe you'd like it more if you'd ever played minecraft |
| [20:12:47] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I'm trying to find a video I had watched like a year ago on mindcraft – it was actually a decent intro video to the game |
| [20:13:28] | skd5aner: | er, minecraft |
| [20:13:48] | skd5aner: | can't find it easily on youtube though :/ |
| [20:18:10] | tgm4883: | sphery, I wouldn't count on it |
| [20:18:17] | sphery: | why not? |
| [20:18:34] | sphery: | too difficult to integrate properly? |
| [20:18:49] | tgm4883: | I've had bugs filed against mythbunt-repos because it doesn't support mint, but no mint user will tell my how to get mint to respond with the valid ubuntu release |
| [20:18:58] | tgm4883: | which it will actually do if you query the command line |
| [20:19:00] | wagnerrp: | someone built a calculus solver in minecraft? |
| [20:19:01] | tgm4883: | but not via python |
| [20:19:32] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [20:19:39] | sphery: | too bad |
| [20:19:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, If someone could tell me how to get python in Mint to return a value such as "oneiric", then I would do it |
| [20:20:14] | sphery: | as with a lot of people shifting to mint, it would be a very bad thing to have a ton of users "stuck" on whatever revision was released with a given Ubuntu version |
| [20:20:45] | sphery: | unfortunately, I know even less about mint than I know about *buntu, so I can't help :( |
| [20:21:03] | tgm4883: | sphery, true, and there isn't anything wrong with them using our PPA, I just can't figure out what Ubuntu repo they should be on based on the data I get returned |
| [20:21:17] | tgm4883: | and I'm not going to keep a dictionary up to date with that info |
| [20:22:04] | sphery: | yeah, I would say it's a Mint user's responsibility to help with it, not your responsibility to make it work for them |
| [20:22:12] | tgm4883: | exactly |
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| [20:22:19] | sphery: | hard part is waiting for that user to arrive/volunteer |
| [20:22:55] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [20:23:12] | tgm4883: | I could probably post something on their forum/irc channel, if I get some free time |
| [20:24:14] | sphery: | well, again, it's not really your responsibility, so don't feel I'm asking you to |
| [20:24:40] | sphery: | I know eventually we'll see some Mint users on the mythtv-users list, and will be able to present the idea there |
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| [20:45:59] | wagnerrp: | so is this thing 'dead is dead'? |
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| [20:52:03] | sphery: | which thing? |
| [20:54:08] | dekarl: | the ceton recorder patch? |
| [20:57:44] | sphery: | speaking of which, I wonder if anyone has considered asking Ron if he's interested in working with danielk on the actual OCUR recorder ... |
| [20:58:25] | sphery: | AIUI, danielk is in a TWC area (meaning no real ability to use cablecard--therefore, probably little motivation), whereas Ron is definitely a cablecard user who wants it to work |
| [20:59:29] | sphery: | ah, Ron did say he intended to help, but only recently got around to figuring out some of the DRI stuff |
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| [21:24:49] | dekarl: | Can someone verify this doesn't break schedules direct and just commit it afterwards? It appears like stuart doesnt have time atm. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9990 (It's part of my hunt for red herrings) |
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| [21:39:17] | Beirdo: | hmmm, do we know if we are using MD5 or SHA1 within myth anywhere? |
| [21:39:46] | wagnerrp: | git |
| [21:40:02] | Beirdo: | no, I mean doing digests in our code |
| [21:40:19] | wagnerrp: | besides perhaps something in the recorder code, the only hash i know is the custom opensubtitles one used in mythvideo |
| [21:40:20] | Beirdo: | like maybe for the mythvideo fingerprinting. |
| [21:40:21] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [21:40:24] | sphery: | david b used a hash (not sure which) for the password for some web thing |
| [21:40:37] | sphery: | we have elf hash for programids and such |
| [21:41:58] | sphery: | David's was related to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/475949#475949 |
| [21:42:04] | sphery: | can't find actual commit with it, though |
| [21:42:43] | sphery: | I'm wondering if Doug typed the Blaine on that or if we have a typo in our mailing list stuff? |
| [21:43:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 75961#475961 |
| [21:43:29] | sphery: | er, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8b6f1fba6 |
| [21:43:29] | Beirdo: | hehe, for that, we really should use HTTP Digest |
| [21:43:58] | sphery: | (can't use github or trac to search, so have to use gossamer, but forgot to get the actual changeset link) |
| [21:44:13] | Beirdo: | I was looking more for the video scanner |
| [21:44:23] | sphery: | seems he's just using QCryptographicHash |
| [21:44:38] | Beirdo: | how do we fingerprint those to determine we don't scan them over and over? |
| [21:45:16] | sphery: | his wasn't for transferring the password so much as storing it in the settings table |
| [21:45:21] | Beirdo: | gonna look at hashing the OpenCL progs and saving just the binary representation so we don't need to recompile over and over |
| [21:45:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the 'hash' in mythvideo isnt really a cryptographic hash |
| [21:46:00] | Beirdo: | K |
| [21:46:16] | wagnerrp: | its just a 64-bit checksum of the first 64KB, plus that of the last 64KB, plus the filesize |
| [21:46:55] | sphery: | yeah, it's a "standard" that's used in various circles (including some I won't mention here) |
| [21:47:27] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [21:47:40] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that it could potentially be used for lookup on unmodified ISOs and m2ts files |
| [21:48:01] | sphery: | http://trac.opensubtitles.org/projects/opensu . . . hSourceCodes |
| [21:48:13] | sphery: | so, guess I still mentioned the circle |
| [21:48:15] | wagnerrp: | of course the amusing bit, right at the top of that page, they dont support files >9GB |
| [21:48:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:48:23] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [21:48:40] | sphery: | I thought the docs were somewhere else less questionable |
| [21:48:52] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [21:49:03] | sphery: | probably not appropriate for CL stuff, though, unless it's huge |
| [21:49:16] | Beirdo: | looks like we have "QMD5" sucked into libmythbase/mcodecs.cpp |
| [21:49:20] | wagnerrp: | no, its trivial to calculate, regardless of filesize |
| [21:49:34] | sphery: | right, but if your data is <64kb |
| [21:49:43] | Beirdo: | I don't want trivial, necessarily |
| [21:49:44] | sphery: | just do a proper hash |
| [21:49:56] | Beirdo: | I want a proper hash, as each compile takes 1–2s |
| [21:50:00] | sphery: | (or even if your data is more than 64kb, but not huge, just do a proper hash :) |
| [21:50:01] | wagnerrp: | 16k loops though |
| [21:50:19] | Beirdo: | and I want to seriously limit false positives |
| [21:50:55] | sphery: | Beirdo: I'd think we'd want to convert any custom MythTV code to use http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qcryptographichash.html (which supports MD5) |
| [21:51:02] | Beirdo: | it'd end up kinda like .py vs .pyc |
| [21:51:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, that seems like a good way :) |
| [21:52:00] | sphery: | ugghh, yeah, based on the ugliness in mcodecs.cpp |
| [21:52:25] | wagnerrp: | well the whole point of this thing is that 128KB is good enough for uniqueness, but doesnt take much time at all to read |
| [21:52:32] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to hashing the whole file |
| [21:52:33] | sphery: | (ugliness = lots of code, not a trivial amount, for MD5) |
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| [21:52:45] | Beirdo: | looks about right |
| [21:52:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: right, so it's appropriate for huge--like video files :) |
| [21:53:14] | Beirdo: | I'll be using a full hash though |
| [21:53:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:53:21] | Beirdo: | the files are small |
| [21:53:40] | wagnerrp: | this just to play around with? or are you actually planning on implementing this somewhere? |
| [21:53:49] | Beirdo: | biggest one I have is 8k |
| [21:53:59] | Beirdo: | it will be implemented in mythgpucommflag |
| [21:54:01] | Beirdo: | tonight |
| [21:54:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:54:11] | ** sphery adds killing QMD5 to his TODO list ** | |
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| [21:54:16] | Beirdo: | at least that's my plan |
| [21:54:21] | wagnerrp: | why would you need/want a hash for commflagging? |
| [21:54:21] | Beirdo: | sphery: good plan :) |
| [21:54:44] | sphery: | he needs the hash for his compiled OpenCL code so he knows when to update |
| [21:54:44] | Beirdo: | for the OpenCL programs. We do JIT compiles, which are very slow |
| [21:55:03] | wagnerrp: | so you hash an architecture and store it off? |
| [21:55:05] | sphery: | "we" = "you" :) |
| [21:55:06] | Beirdo: | so I want to save the byte-code, and MD5sum the source to know when to recompile |
| [21:55:11] | sphery: | since we don't yet have any in upstream, right? |
| [21:55:14] | wagnerrp: | if the hash matches, you just pull the pre-compiled version? |
| [21:55:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, correct |
| [21:55:31] | Beirdo: | it would be based on GPU arch + source file |
| [21:55:50] | Beirdo: | each JIT compile takes 1–2s |
| [21:55:55] | Beirdo: | which is insanity |
| [21:56:33] | Beirdo: | it might be LATE tonight though |
| [21:56:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:56:37] | sphery: | yeah, there wouldn't be any real-time commflagging that way... ;) |
| [21:56:45] | wagnerrp: | you only need doing it once at the beginning of the commflag, right? |
| [21:57:00] | sphery: | (joke--since our current "near-real-time commercial detection" actually has an 8-min delay due to logo finding) |
| [21:57:01] | wagnerrp: | or are you saying its running JIT each pass through that section of code? |
| [21:57:51] | wagnerrp: | recompiling the same section of code repeatedly in one instance of the commflagger? |
| [21:58:10] | dekarl: | the shader compiler is a JIT compiler. might use a on disk cache though. (just like games do) |
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| [21:58:41] | sphery: | yeah, I'm guessing that in most (all?) cases, it's up to the app to provide any desired caching of programs |
| [21:58:51] | wagnerrp: | that seems... odd |
| [21:58:53] | sphery: | otherwise, I'd guess Beirdo would use the api-provided caching |
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| [21:59:03] | wagnerrp: | i mean it seems like such a vital operation for any kind of performance |
| [21:59:10] | wagnerrp: | it would be something built into the API |
| [21:59:23] | sphery: | but no one knows better than the app which programs are short-term and which are long |
| [21:59:38] | dekarl: | add funky stuff like dynamic code generation (different GPU limits) and the JIT comes in handy |
| [22:00:03] | sphery: | granted, you could do a "good enough" approach for caching, etc. (something akin to what Java attempts to do), but we all know how Java is perceived when it comes to performance |
| [22:00:19] | Beirdo: | I mean for each OpenCL kernel, it takes 1–2s to compile the first time |
| [22:00:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: right, but that should only happen once per commflag instance, right? |
| [22:00:44] | Beirdo: | and I want to just cache it to the disk as the bytecode rather than recompile |
| [22:00:47] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [22:00:54] | Beirdo: | but there are many many kernels |
| [22:00:56] | wagnerrp: | how many kernels do you have to compile? |
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| [22:01:06] | Beirdo: | I think I'm around 15 so far |
| [22:01:06] | sphery: | a whole cobb's worth |
| [22:01:16] | sphery: | (OK, that would be a small cobb) |
| [22:01:17] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [22:01:25] | wagnerrp: | one of those baby corns |
| [22:01:29] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [22:01:30] | Beirdo: | 20 |
| [22:01:33] | wagnerrp: | you know the ones where you can eat the cob too |
| [22:01:41] | Beirdo: | gjhurlbu@amd350:~/src/mythtvmeta/mythtv/mythtv/programs/mythgpucommflag$ grep kernel *.cl | wc -l |
| [22:01:43] | Beirdo: | 20 |
| [22:01:45] | Beirdo: | so far |
| [22:01:47] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:01:52] | sphery: | can't wait until someone releases a pickled commflagger |
| [22:02:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:02:15] | wagnerrp: | so the better part of a minute on JIT compilation, when the current commflagger might do an hour in 5 minutes.... |
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| [22:02:40] | wagnerrp: | i could see where thats a problem |
| [22:03:08] | wagnerrp: | do games and such just come with all this stuff pre-compiled? |
| [22:03:25] | wagnerrp: | or do they hide it away in some blackbox save file |
| [22:04:09] | Beirdo: | not sure. |
| [22:04:11] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:04:14] | sphery: | it's sounding like they would need to do JIT, too (or at least compile on install/startup--using cache as appropriate) because of the vast differences in GPU capabilities |
| [22:04:15] | dekarl: | it depends. Console stuff comes with almost everything precompiled. |
| [22:04:23] | Beirdo: | Either way, it's annoying the crap outta me |
| [22:04:43] | sphery: | yeah, I can see console (= limited hardware set) shipping with it compiled |
| [22:04:43] | dekarl: | But games is where I read about the shader/kernel caches |
| [22:04:52] | Beirdo: | just like resizing backgrounds... best to do it once then use the cached version |
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| [22:05:33] | wagnerrp: | unless youre feeding it into opengl and letting it handle everything |
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| [22:08:53] | Beirdo: | gah, no way |
| [22:09:13] | Beirdo: | OpenGL is being used to shuttle frames from VDPAU to OpenCL. That is all |
| [22:09:40] | Beirdo: | otherwise I'd have to pull back to the CPU, then push back to the GPU |
| [22:09:45] | Beirdo: | which... would be retarded |
| [22:10:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean... your background is the one mythtv displays when there are no other elements overlayed on top of it |
| [22:10:15] | wagnerrp: | rather than pre-scaling the image |
| [22:10:16] | Beirdo: | oooh, yeah, I hear ya |
| [22:10:25] | wagnerrp: | you dump it into opengl, and let it handle everything prior to display |
| [22:10:36] | Beirdo: | yup, I misunderstood your gist ;) |
| [22:10:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would work well for sure |
| [22:10:56] | wagnerrp: | although what are those oversized images called? the ones that store multiple copies of the image, each half the size of the previous? |
| [22:11:05] | Beirdo: | mipmaps |
| [22:11:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [22:11:30] | dekarl: | dont gpus still prefer power of 2 textures? (especially with mipmaps) |
| [22:11:45] | wagnerrp: | power of two... half the size... |
| [22:13:55] | sphery: | of course, since we have to support graphics cards people bought in 1995, we can't really rely on OpenGL |
| [22:14:08] | sphery: | (for backgrounds/graphics in UI) |
| [22:16:08] | Beirdo: | yes, they do, but they have an extension for arbitrary non-power-of-2 textures, and almost all modern cards honor it |
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| [22:18:56] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: oh, youre saying total dimensions of the image need to be power of two (1024x1024, 2048x2048, ...) |
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| [22:21:33] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: yes, thats what I remember as being faster. but google hints a nvidia supporting non-power-of-two mipmap for some time now |
| [22:23:39] | Beirdo: | there's a non-power-of-2 extension and a arbitrary rectangle size one |
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| [22:23:52] | Beirdo: | (both are needed for the GPU commflag stuff, BTW) |
| [22:24:21] | Beirdo: | it should be faster with purely power-of-2 though |
| [22:24:32] | Beirdo: | but our recordings aren't in that format |
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| [22:26:09] | dekarl: | I guess it might matter with lots of fanart onscreen that are animated (flipping pages in a book style) on a low power device (raspberry or ipad) so its not really the target platform for the frontend. Might as well see how the xbmc folks solve that |
| [22:27:07] | Beirdo: | frickin eye-candy :) |
| [22:27:36] | Beirdo: | Oooh, I need to put in an FFT for the audio too. That should be fun and easy |
| [22:27:57] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: im more interested in the guy maintaining the xbox backport |
| [22:28:00] | Beirdo: | and a convolution for the histograms (for self-corrolation) |
| [22:28:01] | wagnerrp: | s/interested/concerned/ |
| [22:28:10] | wagnerrp: | that boy aint right... |
| [22:29:00] | Beirdo: | self-correlation, sorry |
| [22:29:01] | dekarl: | he's doing it as part of some archeological study, right? |
| [22:29:10] | Beirdo: | stupid can't type... |
| [22:31:52] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: according to wikipedia the original xbox can run 1920x1080 but has only 64mb of ram, sounds like a challange (that I'd pass) |
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| [22:32:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:32:09] | Beirdo: | run away! |
| [22:32:24] | wagnerrp: | my laptop will push a pair of 1600x1200 screens, with only 16MB of VMEM |
| [22:32:27] | wagnerrp: | (in theory) |
| [22:32:41] | wagnerrp: | single-buffering FTW! |
| [22:32:58] | dekarl: | who needs buffering anyway, it just adds latency! |
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| [22:33:48] | sphery: | well, you'd only need a little more than 8MiB of RAM (about 8.8) for 1920x1200@32bpp |
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| [22:35:18] | sphery: | ah, pair of screens, so that makes sense |
| [22:35:40] | dekarl: | ahh, you can cram the YUV into a 16bit IA texture and let a shader unpack it ;) so it's just 4mb |
| [22:36:07] | wagnerrp: | 4-bit alpha? |
| [22:36:21] | dekarl: | 8bit intensity + 8bit alpha |
| [22:36:40] | wagnerrp: | and what about the color? |
| [22:36:51] | wagnerrp: | (whoops!) |
| [22:37:18] | dekarl: | the color is in the abused alpha channel ;) |
| [22:37:26] | wagnerrp: | in my day, we had to watch black and white on our HDTVs! |
| [22:37:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:37:46] | wagnerrp: | lousy kids, get off my flying car |
| [22:38:20] | [R]: | wheres my damn back to the future tech |
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| [22:38:53] | wagnerrp: | still back in 1985 |
| [22:39:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:39:28] | [R]: | if i had a hoverboard i'd play outside |
| [22:40:13] | dekarl: | lol http://pete.com/files/photos/go-play-outside.jpg |
| [22:40:40] | wagnerrp: | bad link? |
| [22:41:09] | skd5aner: | worked for me |
| [22:41:11] | dekarl: | better? http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kukagmaLPY1qz4h1co1_400.jpg |
| [22:41:18] | wagnerrp: | seems they dont allow deep linking |
| [22:41:38] | wagnerrp: | you have to be coming from their own site to allow it |
| [22:41:41] | [R]: | well eh did go outside to play... |
| [22:42:05] | skd5aner: | again, worked for me? |
| [22:42:17] | wagnerrp: | i got redirected to the home page |
| [22:42:36] | [R]: | worked for me on both links |
| [22:42:39] | dekarl: | hmm, http://www.google.de/search?q=go+play+outside&tbm=isch |
| [22:43:15] | wagnerrp: | maybe beirdobot mangled the link |
| [22:44:50] | Beirdo: | que?! |
| [22:46:15] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocorrelation |
| [22:46:19] | Beirdo: | hehe, ugh |
| [22:46:23] | Beirdo: | more math! :) |
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| [22:47:48] | Beirdo: | math will kill me yet :) |
| [22:48:17] | Beirdo: | I really shoulda paid more attention (and not dropped) that DSP class in 3rd year |
| [22:48:53] | Beirdo: | the prof was a douche, and required class reading for at least half of the class was the course catalog to find a replacement course |
| [22:49:49] | [R]: | i tried writing ASM for a dsp |
| [22:49:52] | [R]: | it was a besat |
| [22:49:55] | sphery: | my question is when we'll have the TMS320C66x/OpenMP implementation of commflagging done |
| [22:50:06] | [R]: | i work on a 320 c6748 |
| [22:50:23] | Beirdo: | and well... DSP stuff is math out the wazoo, especially when taking it in Electrical Engineering |
| [22:50:32] | Beirdo: | where we had more math than the Math grads |
| [22:50:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: you get me gear, and I might just play with it :) |
| [22:51:02] | sphery: | (the TMS320C66x is TI's new family of multicore DSPs :) |
| [22:51:08] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:51:09] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:51:22] | Beirdo: | I think their eval boards start at around $2k, no? |
| [22:51:36] | sphery: | I like it mainly because the name rolls off the tongue--not like hard to pronounce, "fermi" or "fusion" or whatever |
| [22:51:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:51:55] | Beirdo: | the C666 :) |
| [22:54:16] | sphery: | they're planning to release a PCIe 2.0 x8 (half-length) card called the DSPC-8681 with four TI C66x 8-core DSP chips running at 1GHz with 1GB DDR3/1.33GHz and 2 Gbe ports for only $1100 |
| [22:54:32] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [22:54:45] | ** Beirdo puts it on the wish list ** | |
| [22:54:55] | [R]: | we treat dsps as gpps at my work |
| [22:54:58] | [R]: | its pretty legendairy |
| [22:55:03] | sphery: | later will be the full-length board that gives about 1teraflops single-precision performance for $2K in a 110W envelope |
| [22:55:07] | dekarl: | 128core in a small freenas appliance sounds fun, too http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetLo . . . ms-XLP8128S/ |
| [22:57:03] | wagnerrp: | small freenas? surely youre joking |
| [22:57:34] | wagnerrp: | youve not used ZFS have you? |
| [22:57:48] | wagnerrp: | their new minimum recommended is 6–8GB of memory |
| [22:57:49] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [22:58:29] | dekarl: | I have it on my workstation just for kicks and it's 6gb the sensible minimum with these 3 modules per bank chipsets anyway? (let me correct it. small for some definitions of small) |
| [22:59:20] | dekarl: | I like the volume managemetn aspects of ZFS, reminds me of my first job with JFS "volume management" |
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| [23:04:03] | dekarl: | The main issue on my ZFS box (with only 4gb memory) was that I forgot to enable swap and the stupid browser idles at 2+GB memory triggering the OOM killer |
| [23:05:26] | dekarl is now known as dekarl_zzz | |
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| [23:31:31] | wagnerrp: | dekarl_zzz: ive got my master backend running on 4gb, and its a bit small just for normal server operation |
| [23:31:43] | wagnerrp: | i previously had it on 2gb, and that was downright painful |
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