Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, November 26th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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knightr:

MrPaco, wagnerrp, the Spanish / Spain translation in master (what will become 0.25) is 100% (or close to 100% complete) – The main contact for this translation is Antonio Marcos Lopez Alonso

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knightr:

MrPaco, wagnerrp, they need help for Spanish / World/America though... (most of the translators (last time I talked to them there were 4 total) are from Spain which makes doing a more international Spanish version difficult.

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knightr:

)

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wagnerrp:

weve got a couple argentinian users who pop in here periodically that may be of use

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knightr:

kenni ^

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wagnerrp:

and of course beirdo has family in puerto rico

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wagnerrp:

*cough*

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knightr:

wagnerrp, if they are interested I'm sure their help would be quite appreciated...

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wagnerrp:

no, i highly doubt they would be

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knightr:

(Antonio has a good idea of what's involved but like I said it's not his "variant" of the language...)

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knightr:

lol :-)

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knightr:

wagnerrp, BTW, thank you Raymond for the ping...

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wagnerrp:

np

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well, more accurately: ex-family :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, Good Eats marathon on Food Network right now

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[R]:

auction hunteres marathon on spike

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Beirdo:

I'm currently watching L&O: UK backlog

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[R]:

uk?

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Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

as in like in england?

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Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

neverh eard of it

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[R]:

is it on bbc?

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Beirdo:

BBC America, yes

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Beirdo:

where it may play in the UK, I dunno

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[R]:

people in england talk funny

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

you want talking funny, go to Arkansas :)

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

of course, my Grade 2 teacher was an exchange from the UK, so I grew used to the different accents a long time back

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Beirdo:

I still want to find more Aussie shows

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Beirdo:

we had River Rats on the air in Canada. Sydney accents all over the place

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styelz_:

not new2 dma

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wagnerrp:

mmm... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/free-guide-data-win . . . 6/#post58775

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you are a "Cornerstone of the Community"... haha

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[R]:

"give them a jingle"

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[R]:

i love that saying

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wagnerrp:

i think hes referring to the "rules of the road"

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wagnerrp:

erm, no... "book of the road"

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[R]:

i dindt quite get the "beat the bush" thing

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wagnerrp:

beat around the bush

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wagnerrp:

as in, dont screw around telling me why i shouldnt do it, just tell me how to do it

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[R]:

oh

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wagnerrp:

except he doesnt know how to use his colloquialisms

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wagnerrp:

todd is the guy i frequently complain about who does stupid things like try to switch to amd64, fail horribly due to his own deficiency, and then claims everyone should continue using i386 because amd64 is just too unstable

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wagnerrp:

hes done this multiple times

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Beirdo:

a bleep-tard

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

OK, let's code in some image histograms

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lordFin:

is there a way to watch live tv rather then having it recorded and played back?

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[R]:

sure, dont use mythtv

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[R]:

lol

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lordFin:

it's good to finally get a straight answer. search google for things mythtv can't do has been frustrating

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lordFin:

i'm having issues with mythtv not playing audio when i'm watching tv

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[R]:

does audio work at all?

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lordFin:

i've got my tv tuner card outputting the tv audio to the sound card line in

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lordFin:

for music it does

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[R]:

line in

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[R]:

wtf, do you have a $5 piece of crap framegrabber?

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lordFin:

and if i turn line in on it will play the live feed

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[R]:

try getting a decent card

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lordFin:

i see, so it's an issue with the card then?

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wagnerrp:

its an issue with your configuration

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wagnerrp:

you need to mute the line in, so it doesnt get passed through to the output

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lordFin:

ok. where does mythtv grab the audio from when its recording tv?

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wagnerrp:

however, you should avoid the whole issue entirely

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wagnerrp:

scrap the card

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wagnerrp:

and replace it with a hardware encoder

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lordFin:

thanks wagner,rp. i've found that online

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lordFin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv doesnt actually have to deal with audio at all

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lordFin:

hardware encoder... one sec let me google that

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lordFin:

i see. then i'll just stick with the music and video management parts of mythtv

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lordFin:

is it possible to use an old card like mine that goes through the line in or do i need a better one for it to work with mythtv?

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lordFin:

just so i know if i should ever try this endeavour again

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[R]:

its possible, but the card is awful and its a pain

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wagnerrp:

lordFin: most people in north america just get an ATSC tuner

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lordFin:

ya i think it's more a matter of me not wanting to admit defeat but i suppose it's time to give in. i dont want to spend any more time with this

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lordFin:

do you mind me asking any recommendations from you guys then if i do get one?

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wagnerrp:

a can of butane and a parking lot is a good option

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[R]:

lordFin: what kind of signal do you have?

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wagnerrp:

some people prefer the more old school baseball bat approach

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wagnerrp:

or you can use it for skeet

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[R]:

lol

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lordFin:

cable coming through the wall. and i've got an hdtv antenna that i'd like to try using

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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wagnerrp:

you have an antenna, theres nothing hdtv about it

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lordFin:

i see

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[R]:

what kind of cable

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lordFin:

so hd tv is not transmitted ota?

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lordFin:

coaxial

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[R]:

yes, we know its coax

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lordFin:

an f connector on each end

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[R]:

what kind of signal

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[R]:

lordFin: a digital signal is transmitted ota

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wagnerrp:

until it hits a video decoder, its just an encoded data stream

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lordFin:

oh i see. sorry the ads mentioned hdtv so i just assumed

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

the ads are written for the sheeple who dont know anyting about anything

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[R]:

the best is those hd sunglasses

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[R]:

it turns your world into hd

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wagnerrp:

an antenna is an antenna is an antenna

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wagnerrp:

they all receive the same analog waveforms

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lordFin:

i've got those coming in the mail

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wagnerrp:

its not digital until you feed it through a demodulator

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lordFin:

i see. so does a particular channel have a set bandwidth with the atsc stuff?

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lordFin:

i'd heard something about 6mhz

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wagnerrp:

6MHz, yes

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wagnerrp:

with two different bands between 50MHz to around 900MHz

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lordFin:

thanks guys you've been a great help

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Bhaal:

Hey guys

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Bhaal:

Quickky .. What audio and video codecs is MythTV expecting for RTSP playback?

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[R]:

anythign that ffmpeg supports should work

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wagnerrp:

its not expecting anything

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wagnerrp:

it just copies whatever it gets on the multicast address to disk

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Bhaal:

Hmmm, ok...

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

im watching men in black and a dog was barking, and the dogs in the house just started barking

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: So if vlc can play the rtsp stream, then MythTV should be able to play it?

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wagnerrp:

although it may complain if it cant open the stream to read the keyframe locations

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wagnerrp:

Bhaal: in theory, yes

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wagnerrp:

although that bit of mythtv doesnt get much concern

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Bhaal:

Hmmm, seems I broke theory then :)

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Bhaal:

Yeah didn't think it would...

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Bhaal:

Its the freebox stuff I am playing with, but using vlc in VoD mode to transcode other streams...

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Bhaal:

Its not working though, just trying to pin down whats wrong... So its looking for a keyframe right at the start?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand what it needs

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Bhaal:

I wonder if vlc can produce that info...

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: no worries, I will keep plodding away :)

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wagnerrp:

all video needs keyframes

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wagnerrp:

you cant play anything until you get that first keyframe

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** [R] frames a key **

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** [R] gives Bhaal a keyframe **

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wagnerrp:

since anything that isnt a keyframe is referencing other frames

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Bhaal:

Hmmm, so vlc should supply that info then...

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: I am guessing I would need to install the gdb stuff to see what its having problems with?

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Bhaal:

or is there additional verbosity I can turn on in the logs?

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wagnerrp:

would be better to just use increased verbosity

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Bhaal:

ok

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Bhaal:

And that will spit out codec issues etc?

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wagnerrp:

possibly

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what now?

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wagnerrp:

"The trouble with storing stuff in the clouds, is that it falls back to the ground when it rains, and causes floods. But in the case of Thailand, it will get recycled back into new storage, so we will have renewable storage."

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Beirdo:

WOW, that yarn was so not clean. Just washed the cotton/linen blend yarn, and the water was almost the color of a fine British tea when the soak was over.

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wagnerrp:

have you taken up crochet?

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Beirdo:

soon :)

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Beirdo:

and knitting, probably too

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Beirdo:

need something to do while watching TV and when I'm not in the mood for coding

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Beirdo:

the yarn is from recycled sweaters.. Goodwill is good for something ;)

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Beirdo:

However, I'm like half-way into the histogram code right now... Next is the reduction from 60x34 histograms down to 1

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[R]:

AHHHHHHHH

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[R]:

math

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Beirdo:

60x34 if you start with 1920x1080

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[R]:

it makes my head hurt

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Beirdo:

gah, crap, make that 60x17

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Beirdo:

as it's actually done per field, not frame

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Beirdo:

so in the end, I need to combine the two to get a frame color histogram. Hmm

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Beirdo:

Thinking in parallel (SIMD) is not simple ;)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: wtf is up with this guy and the HOME vs MYTHCONFDIR thing

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wagnerrp:

"how do i get mythtv to ignore MYTHCONFDIR"

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wagnerrp:

....

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wagnerrp:

just dont define it in the first place

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** wagnerrp gets out his cat herding boots **

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

theyre weighted, so when you kick 'em, they launch further

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Beirdo:

but they always land on their feet anyways

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Beirdo:

frick. I hate it when impromptu naps come right in the middle of thinking about something tricky

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** wagnerrp gives beirdo something tricky to think about... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-O5IHVhWj0 **

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Beirdo:

and to make it even better, I fell asleep with my hands on the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

four hundred kilobytes of kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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wagnerrp:

passing out like that is bad

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Beirdo:

yeah, pretty much

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wagnerrp:

you should get checked out for possible narcophelia

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Beirdo:

hey, that has Penn & Teller in it

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Beirdo:

it's been a while since I listened to Run DMC.. back when rap didn't suck

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wagnerrp:

back from my infant years, when rap was still good and wholesome

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wagnerrp:

back when the rappers would get the bitch's gold chain back, rather than slap the bitch and put her back out on the street

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that was Grade 7 or 8 music for me

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Beirdo:

I need ibuprofen for me aching joints

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** iamlindoro could add useful features to the iPad app tonightâ€¦ or, he could add reflections to the images. **

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iamlindoro:

I think we all know I'll make the right decision here

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iamlindoro:

Yep, definitely the right choice. http://www.fecitfacta.com/trans.png

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wagnerrp:

Ringer?

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wagnerrp:

never heard of it

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iamlindoro:

Something from the CW-- haven't watched any of it yet

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Beirdo:

it's not bad

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Beirdo:

for the "soon to expire", I guess it's not easy to add *when* it will expire, eh?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure users will ask for it

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iamlindoro:

Backend doesn't have that info

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iamlindoro:

It just knows that those are the top of the list to expire when it's necessary to do so

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt be that difficult to make an educated guess

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wagnerrp:

you know how much free space there is

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wagnerrp:

you have the next two weeks of recordings

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wagnerrp:

and you can estimate the amount of space they will consume

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iamlindoro:

Nah, not interested in doing mind reading or guessing

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wagnerrp:

predicting the disk scheduler is a crapshoot

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iamlindoro:

It also defeats the purpose of a simple interface-- this is how mythfrontend has become such a catastrophe ;)

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iamlindoro:

Information and option overload

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Beirdo:

then maybe change it to "10 Next to Expire"?

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iamlindoro:

Nope, I like it the way it is

[06:08:19]

Beirdo:

K.

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So, FYI, find_orphans.py, if you have > 1 orphaned recording entries, and tell it to delete them all, it will remove one

[07:08:51]

iamlindoro:

so 8 x orphaned recordings means typing 1, yes, 1, yes, 1, yes, 1, yes, etc.

[07:09:06]

wagnerrp:

it didnt used to behave that way

[07:09:51]

wagnerrp:

are you sure youre not running into that race condition where it rescans the database before the backend has a chance to delete the files?

[07:10:17]

iamlindoro:

dunnoâ€¦ I waited some time between each loop, but it only ever removed one-- and it wasn't file deletion, it was DB deletion

[07:10:34]

iamlindoro:

heh, "ctrl-c to exit"

[07:10:35]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter, the process is the same

[07:10:36]

iamlindoro:

unix-y

[07:10:52]

iamlindoro:

Well, like I said, I waited quite some time between some of the loops

[07:10:54]

wagnerrp:

either way, it just calls the mythproto command to have the backend delete it

[07:10:54]

iamlindoro:

but oh well

[07:11:43]

wagnerrp:

no 'failed to delete...' comments?

[07:47:03]

dekarl:

iamlindoro: nice eye candy. the reflected text is quite prominent, did you try with just the picture reflected? (or making the reflected text "lighter")

[07:47:23]

iamlindoro:

dekarl: you destroy the illusion of reflection if you only reflect some items

[07:48:27]

wagnerrp:

the bigger issue i saw was that the text was over top text in the image

[07:48:31]

dekarl:

hmm, or not tone down the image with the overlay, i don't know... the image reflection is so light and the white text seems so strong. (maybe totally different on a real screen) anyway, was just an impression

[07:48:49]

wagnerrp:

the fringe image is particularly bad

[07:49:02]

wagnerrp:

might be better to decrease the alpha on that overlay

[07:49:45]

** iamlindoro is reminded of theme authorship **

[07:50:09]

dekarl:

could be solved by not mixing posters and screenshots in one screen. tvdb and tmdb have clear fanart / episode shots that could be used for videos

[07:50:47]

dekarl:

not sure how good their metadata is on pictures being "text free"

[07:53:11]

iamlindoro:

No, really, I'm happy the way it is

[07:53:36]

iamlindoro:

Was just sharing, not soliciting layout advice ;)

[07:55:03]

dekarl:

haha, typical male reaction to give advice on how to solve your (non-existant) problem ;)

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: youmade me curious... greenland/columbia (russia) to canada/honduras (south korea/alaska) is not that far (dvb-t to atsc), sourced from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . tandards.svg but if he's traveling there, then carrying two usb sticks is likely the least of his issues :)

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Beirdo:

Ice-T looks odd with his head buzzed

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mazda01:

anyone wanna to help me with the myth:// protocol not working in XBMC 10.1? :-)

[10:23:31]

mazda01:

OR is there no help because it's not a supported protocol anymore for talking to a mythtv backend (.23.1+fixes)?

[10:25:26]

iamlindoro:

mazda01: There's no help because the only supported application speaking the myth protocol is mythtv-- You'll need to get help from XBMC frmo XBMC

[10:26:15]

iamlindoro:

they implement it in their own library, faking the protocol versioning, and lying to the backend... and even if that wasn't all true, it still wouldn't be code we had written, and we still wouldn't provide support for it

[10:26:18]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, understood. so currently the only help i'll get in here is when a mythtv frontend communicates with the mythtv backend and that's it.

[10:26:37]

iamlindoro:

correct

[10:26:38]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, ok, sorry if it's a sore subject.

[10:26:49]

iamlindoro:

It's not a sore subject, just a realistic assessment

[10:27:04]

Beirdo:

well, there's one other one... mythweb :)

[10:27:05]

mazda01:

this channel has been a great resource for me in the past with mythtv setup.

[10:27:40]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, this channel has been a great resource for me in the past with mythtv setup. i really really do appreciate being able to come here and get help when needed.

[10:28:31]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, just got an ancient apple tv, hacked it with xbmc 10.1 and was praying it would talk to the mythtv backend as I have been wanted to go HD forever. I currently still stream my backend stuff to my SD family room

[10:28:46]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, BUT, black friday finally pulled the trigger on my first HDTV. LOL

[10:29:28]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, so as you can understand I am not desperate to find a frontend box (free/cheap) that I can setup to communicate with the backend on my new 720p HDTV

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Beirdo:

argh!

[10:30:38]

Beirdo:

another movie with the same title as a show

[10:30:42]

mazda01:

iamlindoro, live tv wouldn't even be needed, if i could play back recordings that would be awesome. guess i'll go the mythrename --link route and share them via smb. Does mythrename --link still work. Sorry, it's been a long time

[10:30:56]

Beirdo:

I don't think I'll start a movie at 2:30am. Thanks

[10:31:34]

mazda01:

OR something that will create human readbable symlinks to the recording at which point I can then share them via SMB?

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Beirdo:

OMG, the laughter track on this show (Last Man Standing) sounds like it's overcompressed/playing via a tin can

[10:41:37]

dekarl:

mazda01: what is the problem anyway? I understood you just wanted to view recordings and http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythTV says its quite easy to do. (I take it you're still on mythtv 0.23-fixes?) If its the xbmc myth protocol not working you'll likely be better off in #xbmc ;)

[10:47:34]

dekarl:

just asking as I played with xbmc and I had no problem to connect it to my old backend back then. (well it was nowhere near as full featured as the native frontend so it got dumped quickly but thats another topic)

[10:58:59]

mazda01:

dekarl, yeah. i can still connect just fine on my ancient original xbox which has XBMC and using the mythtv:// protocol I can watch recordings also OR even use the myth2xbmc python script BUT as I stated I have new hardware running newer XBMC 10.1 and someone wrote a program called Mythbox with is suppose to communicate with my .23.1+fixes but it doesn't. I realize this is a Mythtv room so I understand no support in here.

[11:00:44]

dekarl:

oh ok, sounds like the myth:// protocol broke somehow on the client, yeah #xbmc should know more about that

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mazda01:

dekarl, yeah, got it BUT can anyone answer me this? I used to use mythrename.pl with the --link option, is that still around OR maybe something similar so at least I can share out a human readable filename via SMB so XBMC can play them?

[11:04:51]

MrPaco:

i dont remember the settings for launch xbmc from myht, is any guide on the wiki?

[11:05:12]

Beirdo:

???

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mazda01:

lol @ beirdo

[11:07:02]

mazda01:

Beirdo, i mean, with you

[11:07:13]

mazda01:

MrPaco, please rephrase the question

[11:08:45]

MrPaco:

apologize about my english

[11:08:58]

MrPaco:

i`m looking a way to launch xbmc from mythtv

[11:09:51]

dekarl:

mazda01: sounds like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

[11:11:34]

MrPaco:

that : http://doitdifferent.wordpress.com/2009/07/04 . . . integration/

[11:11:41]

MrPaco:

just find it

[11:11:55]

dekarl:

MrPaco: like that? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . Helpful_Tips

[11:13:18]

MrPaco:

yes deakrl thank you too much!

[11:13:35]

MrPaco:

but, where is the file to add this setup?

[11:13:56]

mazda01:

dekarl, ah, must have been renamed from mythrename.pl --link to this mythlink. THANKS!

[11:15:02]

dekarl:

MrPaco: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . _a_Main_Menu

[11:15:37]

dekarl:

I've never done this myself so I can't tell you anything not on the wiki ;)

[11:15:45]

MrPaco:

thank you

[11:16:41]

mazda01:

MrPaco, that setup is from 2009, it doesn't work anymore. I am dealing with the same issues. UNLESS you're running your xbmc on the old XBOX

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MrPaco:

argh

[11:21:34]

MrPaco:

just tested and dont work sure

[11:21:57]

MrPaco:

mazda01, im using that script http://code.google.com/p/yatvgrabber/wiki/XbmcMythtvRemote

[11:22:24]

MrPaco:

but the problem is when mythfrontend atemp to restart all the time and then you have the two programs running at same time

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MrPaco:

i think we have to modify that script to have an clean exit from mythtv to stop mythfront to restart

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mazda01:

MrPaco, ah i see, you have mythtv and xbmc on the same machine and you're not attempting to access mythtv backend WITH a seperate install of XBMC

[11:30:11]

mazda01:

MrPaco, can't help ya. GOod luck

[11:30:21]

MrPaco:

thank you for your support anyway

[11:31:58]

MrPaco:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /313651.html

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mazda01:

again, i know this is a mythtv-users support channel BUT curious if it's possible to run TVheadend on my box which has 1 PVR-350 and 1 PVR-500 (3 total tuners). WOuld I need tyo remove the tuners from MythTV so there is no conflict?

[11:40:58]

mazda01:

and yes, i know. funny stuff that I am still only on analog. no money to get any digital tuners like the hdhomerun or similar

[11:43:20]

dekarl:

mazda01: yes, I think you need to set mythtv to open the devices on demand instead of start til stop

[11:43:54]

dekarl:

but if you are running tvheadend you could simply stop the mythtv backend or split the devices between both

[11:44:29]

mazda01:

dekarl, brilliant, i can remove the pvr-350 from mythtv backend and dedicate that to livetv using TVheadend

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mazda01:

dekarl, 2 tuners is plenty for what we all record. very rare there's 3 shows at the same time to record and if it happens i'll see it as a conflict in mythweb anyway

[11:45:53]

mazda01:

dekarl, so is it as easy as merely removing that tuner from the backend server using mythtv-backend setup?

[11:46:09]

mazda01:

dekarl,

[11:46:31]

dekarl:

yes, basically remove the device in the backend setup. mythtv will leave it alone then

[11:46:45]

mazda01:

dekarl, curious if you know how to enter the mythtv-setup which is on a headless machine right now. isn't there an X forwarding or something like that?

[11:46:57]

mazda01:

dekarl, OR can all this be done in mythweb?

[11:47:19]

dekarl:

just ssh into the box. like "ssh -Y mythtv@thehostname" to get X forwaring

[11:47:42]

mazda01:

dekarl, i will try out both solution, first by using your first suggestion BUT i have to admit, it's a new settings I am not familr with. where is that settings for open devices on demand instead of start stop?

[11:48:06]

dekarl:

should be in the device config, need to verify

[11:48:09]

mazda01:

dekarl, -Y? isn't it -X? sorry, maybe that's deprecated?

[11:48:24]

clever:

mazda01: -Y does some extra security things that -X doesnt

[11:48:57]

clever:

ah wait, other way arround, -X has the security limits, and -Y doesnt

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mazda01:

clever, ok, thanks. curious though, will I be able to run the mythtvbackend-setup script if i only ssh into it with my normal user?

[11:49:49]

mazda01:

OR you guys are saying to use the mythtv user?

[11:49:52]

mazda01:

sorry

[11:49:56]

clever:

you need to ssh into the user that you set myth up under

[11:50:04]

dekarl:

mazda01: the open on demand seems to be there only for DVB devices

[11:50:55]

mazda01:

dekarl, ok, no biggy

[11:51:03]

mazda01:

dekarl, i'll just remove the PVR-350 then

[11:51:04]

dekarl:

mazda01: you want to run the setup with the same id as the backend... there are some small areas where thats important (namely xmltv configuration)

[11:51:35]

mazda01:

dekarl, hmmmmmm, how would I know? could i issue ps aux on the backend to see who it's running under?

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dekarl:

sure

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mazda01:

/usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user mythtv

[11:52:18]

mazda01:

so it would be the mythtv user

[11:52:25]

mazda01:

ok

[11:52:42]

dekarl:

using this "--user" stuff is just wrong :( (not your fault)

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mazda01:

dekarl, :-) THANKS Ubuntu 10.04.

[11:53:33]

mazda01:

and the mythbuntu repo

[11:53:44]

dekarl:

mazda01: its only relevant to get the right $HOME for writing .xmltv configuration, you don't want to change anything with that at the moment, so no worries

[11:53:56]

mazda01:

k

[11:55:35]

Muzer:

is there a way to specify which transponder to tune to to get EIT data? For Freesat, one transponder transmits it significantly faster than the others (the whole EPG in a minute and a half, rather than a few hours), and some don't transmit it at all (the ones without Freesat channels).

[11:56:33]

mazda01:

hmmmmmm, how do i switch to user mythtv in linux?

[11:56:35]

dekarl:

Muzer: I don't know of such a feature, but I see what you want

[11:57:19]

clever:

mazda01: su or sudo, however that complicates X11 forwarding massively

[11:57:22]

dekarl:

mazda01: sudo for a command (or just su)

[11:57:27]

Muzer:

I did see something in the feature request list; I was just checking it hasn't been implemented and I can't find it.

[11:57:30]

mazda01:

my ssh server is passphrase protected and i keep getting failed due to wrong public/private key pair

[11:57:34]

dekarl:

clever: which is where my -Y came into play :D

[11:57:56]

clever:

dekarl: yeah, but if you ssh -Y and then su mythtv, mythtv cant access the keys sshd setup

[11:57:59]

clever:

so the whole thing fails :P

[11:58:03]

Muzer:

is there a way I can express that I would also like the feature, or should I leave it and hope?

[11:58:10]

mazda01:

well, i need to ssh into the mythtv box using the user mythtv BUT when I try ssh -Y mythtv@192.168.0.5 it fails

[11:58:20]

mazda01:

with wrong auth key

[11:58:23]

clever:

mazda01: add your public key to the mythtv user then

[11:58:33]

dekarl:

clever: need to look, I think I got it the other way round... anyway. I can peek at mythtv-setup remotely somehow

[11:58:34]

clever:

same as you did to your other user

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mazda01:

clever, did that already 5 minutes ago

[11:58:49]

clever:

mazda01: and make sure only mythtv can write to the key file

[11:58:56]

clever:

sshd wont trust the file if other users can write to it

[11:59:24]

clever:

dekarl: just ssh into the mythtv user with -Y and it should work

[12:00:14]

mazda01:

ssh -Y mythtv@dell

[12:00:14]

mazda01:

Permission denied (publickey).

[12:00:26]

mazda01:

http://pastebin.com/bGydR1rX

[12:00:33]

mazda01:

http://pastebin.com/JBFgBYj3

[12:00:36]

mazda01:

WEIRD

[12:00:43]

Muzer:

OK, so, what are the prerequisites for MythTV to count two things as the same channel (so equivalent for recording purposes)? IIRC you have to set them to the same name; do they have to have the same number as well?

[12:01:11]

clever:

mazda01: and make sure the key is one line

[12:01:21]

clever:

ive got a friend that screws that up every single time :P

[12:01:46]

mazda01:

huh? sorry

[12:01:48]

Beirdo:

OK, bedtime

[12:01:53]

Beirdo:

4am. Yay.

[12:01:59]

dekarl:

Muzer: you want the same call sign

[12:02:00]

mazda01:

clever, the key works fine for daniel user

[12:02:13]

mazda01:

Beirdo, 6 am here.

[12:02:15]

mazda01:

LOL

[12:02:21]

clever:

90% of the time, when you copy/paste it between 2 windows, it winds up broken into many lines

[12:02:22]

Muzer:

ah, is it just the same callsign? OK.

[12:02:29]

mazda01:

Beirdo, wonder if i'll sleep today

[12:02:29]

clever:

perfectly lined up with the screen size

[12:02:36]

clever:

so it LOOKS like line-wrapping, but isnt

[12:02:56]

mazda01:

clever, i didn't copy paste anything. i copied the entire file using cp and then chmod and chown'd them

[12:03:03]

clever:

ah, ok thats not it then

[12:03:12]

mazda01:

clever, weird hun?

[12:03:13]

clever:

what about the permisions on /home/mythtv/ ?

[12:03:28]

mazda01:

drwxr-xr-x 5 mysql mythtv 4096 2011-11–26 05:52 mythtv

[12:03:37]

mazda01:

?

[12:03:37]

clever:

thats the problem

[12:03:44]

clever:

mysql has write perms to /home/mythtv

[12:03:56]

clever:

so mysql can change the ownership of /home/mythtv/.ssh

[12:04:01]

mazda01:

ah, user daniel can't access that folder?

[12:04:03]

clever:

which means it cant trust any of the keys

[12:04:18]

clever:

mythtv must own /home/mythtv

[12:04:23]

mazda01:

so whats the easy fix versus the correct fix.? :-)

[12:04:28]

mazda01:

oh, ok

[12:04:39]

mazda01:

clever, we are talking about my frontend here.

[12:04:43]

dekarl:

the easy fix is login in as daniel and just running the setup as him :D

[12:04:45]

mazda01:

NOT the backend, does that matter

[12:04:48]

clever:

i cant see any sane reason for mysql to ever own /home/mythtv/

[12:05:02]

clever:

mythtv should always own /home/mythtv on any system

[12:05:08]

mazda01:

no idea clever why that is either LOL

[12:05:16]

mazda01:

clever, ok

[12:05:34]

clever:

dekarl: then mythtv-setup will complain about his user not having access to the storage directorys and tuners

[12:05:42]

dekarl:

that isnt some NFS mount or something funky where one numeric id belongs to different names depending on hosts?

[12:06:03]

mazda01:

dekarl, no, i don't share any NFS shares from backend

[12:06:27]

mazda01:

dekarl, all recording is local BUT someone here did atttempt to help me long ago with that issue. LOL

[12:06:40]

mazda01:

still fails???!!!!!!!

[12:06:43]

mazda01:

drwxr-xr-x 5 mythtv mythtv 4096 2011-11–26 05:52 mythtv

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dekarl:

clever: in a default mythbuntu backend setup? I thought the "autologin user" and the "real mythtv user" both had more or less the same rights via some group

[12:06:52]

mazda01:

ssh -Y mythtv@dell

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mazda01:

Permission denied (publickey).

[12:07:07]

clever:

mazda01: just turn passwords back on in sshd_config then

[12:07:26]

clever:

or check to see who owns /home/

[12:07:32]

mazda01:

dekarl, its not a true mythbuntu install. it was 10.04 ubuntu converted to a headless machine then added the mythbuntu repos

[12:07:48]

mazda01:

root owns home drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 2011-11–06 21:07 home

[12:07:56]

clever:

ok, thats good

[12:08:04]

mazda01:

clever, i just might change password on for now. LOL

[12:08:09]

clever:

no idea why its refusing the key then, all i can think of is to check the sshd logs

[12:08:23]

mazda01:

clever, BUT first close the d-link router port that forwards the ssh server

[12:08:33]

clever:

you can even turn password on selectively, per-user

[12:08:56]

clever:

Match User mythtv

[12:08:59]

clever:

PasswordAuthentication yes

[12:09:02]

clever:

Match

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mazda01:

OH DAH ME!!!!! i only allow user daniel access to the ssh server. LOL

[12:09:34]

clever:

lol

[12:09:35]

mazda01:

sorry

[12:10:04]

mazda01:

been using linux for over 5 years and I like to think i know more then the average person BUT sometimes you trip up

[12:10:22]

** wizbit trips **

[12:10:47]

clever:

i ran umount -avl once by mistake when trying to force nfs to umount

[12:10:56]

clever:

it umounted /

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mazda01:

lol. i ran rm -rf on the my home folder once thinking i was removing a backup of my home folder. LOL

[12:11:50]

mazda01:

didn't lose to much fortunately

[12:12:15]

clever:

and then there are just plain stupid init.d scripts

[12:12:19]

mazda01:

still not working, huh

[12:12:26]

clever:

i tried to start rsync in a chroot

[12:12:30]

mazda01:

changed sshd_config and restarted it

[12:12:35]

clever:

the init.d script tries to fsck my root fs

[12:12:41]

mazda01:

ouch

[12:12:43]

clever:

fstab was still blank, so fsck failed

[12:12:54]

mazda01:

phew

[12:13:03]

clever:

init.d script assumes fsck altered the filesystem, and it now needs a reboot because it doesnt match the kernel

[12:13:06]

clever:

reboot!!!

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mazda01:

clever, reboot a server? NEVER!!! LOL

[12:13:36]

clever:

the chroot'd init.d script rebooted the server

[12:13:38]

clever:

without asking :P

[12:13:44]

clever:

root is still root

[12:14:02]

mazda01:

clever, i'll try the the matchuser thingy

[12:16:08]

mazda01:

clever, hmmmmm, man sshd_config doesn't show me anything on match user

[12:16:28]

clever:

Match Introduces a conditional block. If all of the .....

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mazda01:

i gotta go to bed, thanks thought

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mazda01:

though

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mazda01:

my woman is yelling at me to sleep. LOL

[12:17:56]

clever:

lol

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wizbit:

clever: how can i get rid of this file

[12:19:52]

wizbit:

pr-s--xr-x 1 31385 64516 0 Nov 25 21:04 ????m?a??y<??nc???S&??*??~??????????[??V?0?a???

[12:20:14]

clever:

wizbit: you can start with echo *nc*S*

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clever:

and verify if it outputs just that one file

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wizbit:

ï¿½ï¿½mï¿½aï&iques t;½ï¿½y<ï¿½ï¿½ ;ncï¿½ï¿½S&ï¿½ï ;¿½*~ï¿½ï¿½ï¿&fr ac12;Ù‰ï¿½ï¿½ï¿& frac12;[ï¿½Vï¿½0ï¿½a

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clever:

but it looks more like you need to run fsck on things

[12:21:05]

clever:

and if you can copy/paste it, you may be able to just copy/paste it to rm

[12:21:37]

wizbit:

i did a cpio i < on a compressed initrd and it created that file

[12:21:44]

clever:

ah

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clever:

rm -vi *nc*S*

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wizbit:

ace

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wizbit:

it worked!!! you clever sod :D

[12:22:31]

clever:

just picking a few random ascii that you can type, and using * for everything else

[12:22:45]

clever:

rm -vi makes it ask for each file, so you dont delete something important

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wizbit:

nice

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nasa01:

Hi, I have (what I think is) a broken mkv file — could anyone point me to instructions on how to re-encode it? Thanks

[14:05:56]

dekarl:

delete it and let it record again? (your question is not very specific, maybe building a seektable is all it takes, but who knows)

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nasa01:

Sorry, it's a blu-ray rip. It keeps stop playing in all players I have tried (mplayer, mythtv, vlc). So I am figuring I have to remux/encode it.

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Twiggy2cents:

What does myths upnp do with dvd iso's or folders? Are those broadcasted or no?

[15:03:07]

wizbit:

can mythtv menu support a mouse?

[15:03:14]

Twiggy2cents:

yes

[15:03:28]

Twiggy2cents:

It isnt very good though

[15:03:33]

Twiggy2cents:

I dont think at least

[15:04:09]

wizbit:

how can i activate it

[15:07:45]

Twiggy2cents:

I dont remember

[15:07:50]

wizbit:

Added mouse support in menus, including gestures

[15:07:52]

wizbit:

wow

[15:08:20]

Twiggy2cents:

What version are you on

[15:09:06]

wizbit:

.24 fixes

[15:11:11]

Twiggy2cents:

Screen settings in the frontend

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Twiggy2cents:

Sorry Appearance section

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wagnerrp:

bleh, he left

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you need to get mythlogbot to do offline messaging... so it would automatically tell nasa01 to simply re-rip from the source bluray rather than try to fix his broken mkv

[16:26:23]

wagnerrp:

at which point he would of course tell us it was downloaded and get kicked

[16:27:31]

wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: in 0.24 and previous, the ISOs and VOBs would likely be shared, and all the other files in the VIDEO_TS left absent

[16:27:46]

wagnerrp:

in 0.25, ISO should still be shared, but I dont know how it would behave with VIDEO_TS folders

[16:28:11]

wagnerrp:

the difference being 0.24 ran its own file scanner based off the file extensions listed as supported by mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, the independent scanner was dropped, and it reads the available files out of the existing database tables

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darkdrgn2k:

morning all

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wagnerrp:

wizbit: mouse support in MythTV is always enabled, you cannot turn it off

[16:29:08]

darkdrgn2k:

HDPVR 01445 vs 1212 any ideas?

[16:29:20]

wagnerrp:

the only thing the menu option does is make the mouse cursor visible

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wagnerrp:

as for gestures, i dont believe they are fully functional

[16:30:01]

wagnerrp:

last i remember looking at them, several gestures incorrectly mapped to a single wrong direction

[16:30:09]

wagnerrp:

and you couldnt actually use them to bind keys t

[16:30:10]

wagnerrp:

o

[16:30:53]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: the only difference i am aware of between internal hdpvr model numbers is what manual they are supplied with

[16:31:11]

wagnerrp:

something along the lines of the 1212 coming with an english manual, and the 1445 coming with both english and french

[16:31:19]

darkdrgn2k:

and apperently 30 bucks

[16:31:19]

darkdrgn2k:

lol

[16:31:31]

darkdrgn2k:

whats the pricepoint of those now....

[16:31:38]

darkdrgn2k:

or are there better devices to do HD recording for myth

[16:31:40]

wagnerrp:

maybe thats canadian bucks vs. us bucks?

[16:31:49]

wagnerrp:

for hd capture, that is the only option

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darkdrgn2k:

nop – http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx . . . ;x=0&y=0

[16:32:02]

wagnerrp:

retail is $200 US, not sure what that translates to canadian

[16:32:14]

darkdrgn2k:

183 is a good deal then :)

[16:32:20]

darkdrgn2k:

i already have one, works well!

[16:32:27]

darkdrgn2k:

hate the happauge blasters but.. meh they work.

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darkdrgn2k:

whats a good distro for a myth be/fe i been runnign fedora but i keep falling so far behind.. Looking for somethign that would be an easy upgrade

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sphery:

mythbuntu has some really nice package repos that are kept up to date

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/ and http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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wagnerrp:

sphery: uh oh... raspberry pi to get full qt5 support

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sphery:

hehe

[16:53:42]

sphery:

wake me up when it gets full vdpau support?

[16:54:20]

sphery:

(or when mythtv gets openmax support?)

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wizbit:

will .25 support gestures?

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wagnerrp:

if someone fixes the existing code in the next few weeks

[16:59:24]

wizbit:

oh it exists

[16:59:32]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: are gestures supported in .24?

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wagnerrp:

in so far as you see comments in the logs as to the gesture you just performed

[17:00:17]

wizbit:

ive manged to turn the mouse pointer on but thats about it

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wagnerrp:

just simple 8-way directional, with a chain length of two

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: so this is a .25 feature only

[17:01:09]

wagnerrp:

there has been no work on it between 0.24 and current developmental 0.25

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wizbit:

ok, ill have to use something like easystroke for now

[17:01:38]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, gestures will be supported in 0.25, if someone fixes the existing code

[17:01:45]

wizbit:

aye ok

[17:01:52]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt work, it never worked, but it is partially written

[17:01:59]

wizbit:

interesting

[17:02:14]

sphery:

and supports only the most basic of gestures

[17:02:23]

sphery:

like a slash from upper right to lower left or whatever

[17:02:23]

wizbit:

thats all i need

[17:02:25]

wagnerrp:

8-directional, with two segment chaining

[17:02:31]

wizbit:

nice

[17:02:37]

wizbit:

easystroke has a horrible amount of deps

[17:02:48]

wagnerrp:

no multi-touch, no circular gestures

[17:03:06]

wizbit:

all i need to be able to do is select items in mythtv menu and exit

[17:03:24]

wagnerrp:

you can already select items just fine

[17:03:35]

wagnerrp:

but you cant do things like exit

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wizbit:

true but no exit or esc

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wagnerrp:

which is what the gestures were intended to allow

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wizbit:

ok

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wagnerrp:

just never finished

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wizbit:

i could create a special entry on the menu for exit

[17:04:33]

wagnerrp:

feel free to write up a patch to complete them, or purchase a table for a dev to otherwise incentivize completion

[17:04:45]

wagnerrp:

s/table/tablet/

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wizbit:

thats where a joggler could come in handy

[17:05:58]

wagnerrp:

i dont think most devs would be interested in a joggler beyond some wall-mounted info/control panel

[17:06:13]

wagnerrp:

insufficient power to be worthwhile, and no battery

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77CAAVY8U:

wagnerrp, sphery, since you are the gods of myth knowledge, can you tell me what all of the -O options are, or tell me where they are documented?

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wagnerrp:

they are documented in the database

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wagnerrp:

meaning... each -O option overrides one value in the settings table

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wagnerrp:

they are not documented anywhere, as there would be literally hundreds of them

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jpabq:

Oh, is that the way it works.... Interesting. Guess I need to ask a specific question then. How do I force mythfrontend to come up with a specific theme?

[17:52:03]

wagnerrp:

-O Theme

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wagnerrp:

note that if the theme cannot be found, it will revert to Terra

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wagnerrp:

it won't do anything fancy like try to pull it down through the theme downloader

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jpabq:

That is fine. Thank you.

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darkdrgn2k:

ok

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darkdrgn2k:

i booted mythbuntu

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darkdrgn2k:

the iso, but its stuck on themythbuntu screen

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darkdrgn2k:

any ideas?

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darkdrgn2k:

says mythbuntu abnd for * under it

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Scopeuk:

darkdrgn2k, try hitting enter

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Scopeuk:

if that doesent work you may have to find some people more familiar with mythbuntu to give you a few options to add to the launch command

[18:53:57]

darkdrgn2k:

any other destro do a good job with mythtv repot updates?

[18:55:42]

Scopeuk:

you can use ubuntu and then add the mythbuntu repos

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Scopeuk:

there is also lhes/knoppymth but i dont know how thats goign these days

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darkdrgn2k:

i miss fedora LOL i used to run fedora and trunk myth

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darkdrgn2k:

wife complaining it crashes to much :)

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm doesnt seem to be a PLACE to do boot param

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa figured it out..

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darkdrgn2k:

has there ever been any talk about transcodeing the stream that is sent to mythfrontend to somethign smaller to work over slow connections?

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darkdrgn2k:

or even play on devices that cant handle decoding the original steem

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wagnerrp:

if you have slow connections, the solution is to run wires

[19:40:11]

wagnerrp:

if you have slow frontends, the solution is to replace them with faster

[19:40:31]

wagnerrp:

however there has been work on live transcoding through the services API for use with external hardware

[19:41:12]

wagnerrp:

i.e. streaming to an android or iphone app, or potentially to a UPNP device

[19:41:36]

wagnerrp:

note that such transcoding has very high CPU demands

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wagnerrp:

and not for the weak of backend

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: ^^^

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: thanx, yeh thats what i was thinking

[19:48:37]

darkdrgn2k:

that and streaming over a wan :-D

[19:48:42]

** darkdrgn2k wishes he had tv at work :-P **

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wagnerrp:

wireless or wide?

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darkdrgn2k:

wide

[19:49:35]

darkdrgn2k:

well 7mps upload wide :-P

[19:49:35]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not currently support remote frontends

[19:49:40]

darkdrgn2k:

i know..

[19:49:48]

wagnerrp:

nor are there really any plans to

[19:49:59]

darkdrgn2k:

i didnt thnk so... but i thought i'd ask

[19:50:30]

wagnerrp:

although when schema changes planned for 0.26, we could potentially allow offline transcoding to multiple files attached to a recording

[19:50:44]

wagnerrp:

and select a specific version for playback on a remote frontend

[19:50:55]

darkdrgn2k:

hmm thats kinda cool

[19:51:17]

wagnerrp:

that would still require a user be VPN'd in for access

[19:51:38]

darkdrgn2k:

ye FE need sql access iirc

[19:52:20]

wagnerrp:

sql and mythproto, neither of which should ever be exposed to the internet

[19:52:28]

darkdrgn2k:

...true..

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darkdrgn2k:

although i dont think it be to hard to wrap either one of thoes in an sql tunnel...

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wagnerrp:

s/sql/ssh/

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wagnerrp:

or ssl?

[19:53:29]

darkdrgn2k:

yeh ment ssh

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wagnerrp:

which would be... a VPN

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darkdrgn2k:

yep OpenVPN to be more specific

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wagnerrp:

openvpn does not use ssh

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darkdrgn2k:

IPSec IIRC doenst use ssl :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

i ment for ssl

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wagnerrp:

ipsec is encrypted, i dont know what with off hand

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darkdrgn2k:

you know what i dont rmemebe.r. i just set some up few days agop

[19:55:15]

darkdrgn2k:

here it is set transform-set ESP-3DES-SHA1

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wagnerrp:

i mean mythfrontend would need access to the IP addresses listed in the database, meaning it would need some amount of routing magic to force those packets through the tunnel

[19:55:29]

wagnerrp:

which even done through an SSH tunnel would still constitute a form of VPN

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darkdrgn2k:

more specific ESP-3DES-SHA esp-3des esp-sha-hmac:)

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wagnerrp:

3DES? eew...

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darkdrgn2k:

LoL

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wagnerrp:

our encryption scheme is no longer secure, so lets just run it multiple times!

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

GAWD mythbuntu is.... wierd...

[19:56:54]

wagnerrp:

?

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darkdrgn2k:

everythign seemst o be "done"

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darkdrgn2k:

i dont even know where to start customizing it! i miss compiling the dsam thing myself!

[19:58:26]

darkdrgn2k:

just wish centos was capable of running myth without rewriting like every package in it..

[19:58:44]

wagnerrp:

6.x should be, for the time being anyway

[19:59:12]

darkdrgn2k:

i hate how fedora rushes their distro

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darkdrgn2k:

im like so far behind now myth trunk wont even compile anymoer

[20:00:31]

darkdrgn2k:

which menas i have to rebuild all 3 machines,, the closet backend, the pxe boot front end and the master backend/fe

[20:03:50]

darkdrgn2k:

i just hate how some of my friends moved to XBMC and they are all like "my ui is nicer" baa

[20:04:16]

wagnerrp:

do they record anything?

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darkdrgn2k:

nop...

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wagnerrp:

then why should they want for mythtv?

[20:05:32]

darkdrgn2k:

they dont.... i just hate their nagging :)

[20:05:43]

darkdrgn2k:

i love myth, wouldnt move to xbmc for all the UI upgrades in the world

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darkdrgn2k:

hey has tehre been any work onthe stability of the hdpvr over the past 1/2 a year

[20:08:43]

wagnerrp:

there have been some signal monitor improvements

[20:08:50]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv can now handle things like resolution changes

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darkdrgn2k:

i havent touch mine in like 6 months or so... and its been fairly stable....

[20:09:38]

darkdrgn2k:

i know there was some problems doing optical audio

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would start recording before the box started receiving optical audio

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wagnerrp:

causing problems when the audio finally cut in

[20:10:36]

wagnerrp:

i believe the signal monitor fixed that

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darkdrgn2k:

any idea if the blaster been fixed

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darkdrgn2k:

i keep getting

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darkdrgn2k:

[132108.901030] lirc_zilog: i2c_master_recv failed with -5 — keeping last read buffer

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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darkdrgn2k:

blaster still works

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darkdrgn2k:

but every thing it blassts.. dmesg sees that

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darkdrgn2k:

there will probably never be a netflix module for myth right

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wagnerrp:

not up to us

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darkdrgn2k:

thast what i thought.. hence there probably never will be :-P

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josef__:

in backend i can scan both of my satellite postitions but in frontend i can watch only one position – can anyone give me a hint?

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[R]:

what happens when you try to watch the other

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josef__:

i see good signal strength and bit mistakes are 65535 and no lock

[20:42:11]

josef__:

but not tv

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josef__:

but i have to say that i am using a virtual dvb dirver called vtuner – but strange is that the backend works perfectly and scans both positions so i don't know wheres the problem :/

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wagnerrp:

is this in combination with a netceiver or something?

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wagnerrp:

im just curious what you are doing that you would have a virtual tuner, rather than a real tuner tied to a piece of hardware

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josef__:

yeah the real tuner is accessible over the network

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wagnerrp:

on a machine you cant simply install a mythbackend on?

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wagnerrp:

thats part of the whole purpose of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

that you arent limited to one machine

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josef__:

yeah it's embedded box with two dvb-s2

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josef__:

but too slow for mythtv backend

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wagnerrp:

nessiedvb?

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josef__:

yes exactly

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wagnerrp:

you dont have the device opened elsewhere, correct?

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josef__:

correct

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is being given dedicated access?

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josef__:

yes

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josef__:

in backend there is one virtual tuner and two diseqc postitions – scan is ok

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josef__:

in frontend i have one tuner that i can watch just the first position with

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wagnerrp:

i would expect mythtv to inherently know how to manage the diseqc data for each channel

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wagnerrp:

when you say 'virtual tuner', youre talking about the vtuner device in /dev, right?

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josef__:

yes

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wagnerrp:

not mythtv's 'virtual tuners' used for recording multiple things simultaneously from one transponder

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josef__:

yeah there is one module and the vtunerc that connects to nessiedvb

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josef__:

it's just as if i would plug my dvb-t tuner /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[21:01:19]

wagnerrp:

chances are youre just going to have to idle around for a while, periodically re-ask

[21:01:35]

wagnerrp:

there are a limited number of mythtv users running DVB-S

[21:01:59]

wagnerrp:

and significantly fewer still who have more than two items in their diseqc graph

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josef__:

yeah i am running everything in debug mode but the vtunerc is pretty untalkative :/

[21:04:50]

wagnerrp:

the nessiedvb guy was actually in here about two weeks ago asking for information on running a slave backend on the box

[21:05:21]

wagnerrp:

but it was determined it wouldnt be worth the effort to run a slave backend when the virtual tuner driver tied to a master backend should accomplish exactly the same task

[21:05:38]

wagnerrp:

without the effort of trying to run the backend on an ARM with only 128MB of memory

[21:05:45]

wagnerrp:

presumably, that means he runs mythtv

[21:05:53]

wagnerrp:

although he could have been asking on behalf of a customer

[21:08:02]

wagnerrp:

there could potentially be some issue with the vtuner driver, or perhaps some quirky behavior that mythtv isnt happy with

[21:08:11]

josef__:

yeah

[21:08:16]

sphery:

jpabq: and note, also, that once you override a setting, that value is locked until you restart mythfrontend--meaning if you start with -O Theme and then go into Theme Chooser and select a different theme, it will use the override value, not the new theme, until you restart

[21:08:28]

wagnerrp:

it has been known to happen in the past where mythtv exposed some bug in a driver that other applications where perfectly happy to ignore

[21:08:55]

wagnerrp:

josef__: but i dont know enough about that subsystem to have any authority blaming one side or another

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josef__:

i am sure it's just my fault i am not that skilled....

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analogue:

2011-11–26 03:26:41.669 AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, params(2,0,0)

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analogue:

anyone know how to fix this (mythcommflag): 2011-11–26 03:27:13.660 AFD Error: Could not open codec 0xae7dac60, id(AC3) type(Audio)

[21:15:26]

wagnerrp:

mythcommflag doesnt decode audio, ignore it

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analogue:

hmm..but it is causing it to abort. let me paste the requisite output

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wagnerrp:

pastebin, not paste

[21:17:39]

analogue:

sure thing

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analogue:

http://pastebin.com/yX5iMWPh

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wagnerrp:

could you give the whole thing, not just that except?

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wagnerrp:

exerpt

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wagnerrp:

theres at least 30 seconds of other crap going on there

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analogue:

wagnerrp: sure..one sec

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analogue:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/750768/

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analogue:

wagnerrp: and the cmd line: mythcommflag --file 5315_20111125233500.mpg --hogcpu --outputfile – --outputmethod full --force

[21:28:45]

wagnerrp:

why run it directly against a file on the filesystem?

[21:30:09]

analogue:

wagnerrp: easier than putting in the other two flags (didn't know which format the time should be)

[21:31:38]

wagnerrp:

in this case it would be '--chanid 5315 --starttime 20111125233500'

[21:31:59]

wagnerrp:

but i guess the real question would be... why are you running it manually, rather than pulling an existing commflag out of the database

[21:32:09]

wagnerrp:

unless was this just to generate the logs?

[21:34:05]

analogue:

wagnerrp: good to know. so ever since i got my hdhrprime-cc going, 90%+ of the recordings crash mythcommflag for one reason or another. i ran projectx on a single recording to de/re-mux to a TS (-tots) to see if that would fix the problem

[21:35:32]

analogue:

the most common output of mythcommflag is: 134 commercial break(s)

[21:35:54]

analogue:

just trying to find out what the root cause is and workaround it

[21:37:14]

wagnerrp:

thats the side effect of what a number of us consider a poor design choice

[21:37:31]

wagnerrp:

mythcommflag passes back the number of commercial breaks through the exit code

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sphery:

we accept multiple formats for time

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wagnerrp:

but standard programming practice says the exit code is always zero for a successful run

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sphery:

"convention" says :)

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wagnerrp:

that said, i dont know what would produce a 134

[21:39:00]

wagnerrp:

is it always 134?

[21:39:10]

analogue:

very rarely 138

[21:39:21]

wagnerrp:

in 0.24, exit codes should be 239–255

[21:40:03]

analogue:

so i'm trying to run mythcommflag in isolation (as much as possible) to figure out whats going on (hence the full output). it doesn't even get to that point as you can see by the logs

[21:44:01]

analogue:

does using --file vs --chanid and --starttime change anything?

[21:44:34]

wagnerrp:

using --file means it behaves differently with respect to the database

[21:44:57]

wagnerrp:

it thinks its an independent file for use in mythvideo, rather than a recording

[21:45:09]

wagnerrp:

which means the processed markup gets stored in a different place

[21:46:53]

sphery:

134 and 139 sound like 128 + signal number

[21:47:25]

sphery:

where 139 = 11 (generally SIGSEGV) and 134 = 6 (generally SIGABRT)

[21:47:40]

sphery:

so something is segfaulting or aborting

[21:47:44]

wagnerrp:

SIGABRT and SIGUSR1?

[21:48:06]

sphery:

there are /very/ few aborts in mythtv, so if you're getting them, it's likely a library

[21:48:08]

wagnerrp:

the existing jobqueue shouldnt be triggering either of those

[21:48:12]

sphery:

segv... 11, right?

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sphery:

so, wait, those are returns from mythjobqueue?

[21:48:57]

sphery:

or from scripts run in the job queue?

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sphery:

analogue: 134 is not a crash in mythcommflag

[21:50:47]

sphery:

actually, it /might/ not be

[21:50:56]

sphery:

that could be 134 commercial breaks found

[21:51:15]

sphery:

but now that I think about it, it makes more sense that it's a crash

[21:51:40]

analogue:

ok, so i've found some crashes of mythcommflag in the backend log. let me pastebin it

[21:51:43]

sphery:

(I was thinking of the 6 and 11--forgot we had subtracted out 128 already--which made more sense as number of breaks)

[21:52:00]

sphery:

fwiw, I'm getting a ton of crashes of mythcommflag

[21:52:04]

sphery:

same with mythtranscode

[21:52:32]

sphery:

seems that video broadcasts have changed and mythcommflag/mythtranscode haven't kept up with the workarounds for bad video in the real world

[21:54:08]

sphery:

ah, yeah, already mentioned that to you--back on Nov 21... was looking it up because I was going to point you to Capt M's comments (which have more of the story than mine)

[21:55:22]

analogue:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/750802/

[21:55:39]

analogue:

read it and weep

[21:59:25]

analogue:

where can i read capt m's comments?

[22:00:49]

sphery:

in the logs from Nov 21 when he and I were talkign to you about this?

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sphery:

http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-11-21:20:33:48

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sphery:

specifically his 20:45:23 comment

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analogue:

sphery: ah..its coming back to me now

[22:05:08]

sphery:

yeah, I remembered having the conversation, but didn't remember with whom, nor specifics of what was said

[22:05:48]

sphery:

anyway, don't have much else to add--other than you're likely getting aborts or segfaults in ffmpeg/libav code

[22:06:18]

sphery:

we'd need backtraces to really do much (but ideally they'd be against master, which has a newer version of those libs)

[22:06:48]

analogue:

hmm..might have to setup master in a vm and see if i get the same results

[22:07:05]

analogue:

anyone know off hand if mythbuntu keeps a ppa for master?

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[R]:

of course

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analogue:

nice..time to give 0.25 a go

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analogue:

ok, since i'm going to have to disable one of my three tuners in my production 0.24 (so 0.25 can use it), is there is quick way to flip that on and off?

[22:10:09]

[R]:

unset the video source associate

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[R]:

in the inputs

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analogue:

[R] tnx!

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sphery:

better would be to delete the capture card

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sphery:

as mythtv doesn't cope well with partially-configured cards/inputs

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sphery:

that means you may have to delete all capture cards to put things back in order when it goes back to your production system, but it will prevent your production system from starting up with no capture cards usable

[22:15:39]

sphery:

(which can happen the first time after disconnecting an input or months later--just "randomly" it seems)

[22:18:11]

sphery:

(oh, and fwiw, if it does happen, the fix is "Delete all capture cards", then re-configure/re-connect)

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josef__:

got it working

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[R]:

that's what she said

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josef__:

it was my fault – wrong settings in myth-backend was the cause :/

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josef__:

wagnerrp thx for support :)

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Bhaal:

Yeah, why is there not a "Delete THIS capture card" option?

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wagnerrp:

because there is a Delete THIS capture card option

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wagnerrp:

(press 'd')

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Bhaal:

Hmmm, didn't know that, I assumed I had a choice of what was on the screen...

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Bhaal:

Thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

just the standard delete button throughout mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the new set up likely to hit in 0.26 should be a lot more straight forward

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Bhaal:

Again, didn't know.. And I wasn't meaning to ask the question in an accusatory tone..

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Bhaal:

or any other tone :)

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wagnerrp:

i know

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wagnerrp:

do understand that lacking any overriding priority, mythtv will select tuners sequentially

[23:07:45]

wagnerrp:

that means the first tuner defined will be the first tuner used

[23:08:03]

wagnerrp:

if you delete a tuner and add it back, you have changed the order of preference for the tuners

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Bhaal:

Yeah I set priorities, that way if I am watching LiveTV I don't get till the first 3 tuner cards get used...

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wagnerrp:

set priorities?

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how that would have any effect on livetv

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wagnerrp:

priorities only control the scheduler, which livetv is independent of

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Bhaal:

Well the first 3 tuner cards are set with a priority of 0, the last one is -3 ...

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wagnerrp:

livetv is still going to start with the first tuner, regardless of priority

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Bhaal:

Nope

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Bhaal:

:)

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wagnerrp:

unless you checked the 'avoid conflicts with livetv'

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Bhaal:

Yes

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Bhaal:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

again, regardless of priority

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wagnerrp:

and understand that the priority does not decide what tuner a recording will be recorded on

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wagnerrp:

it only affects the combination of that recording on that tuner

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Bhaal:

Well it was also because one of my pci cards had a slightly dodgy RF connector and would sometimes lose signal, I preferred it to be the last used...

[23:11:58]

Bhaal:

Well the way I have things when I watch livetv it always uses the same tuner...

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Bhaal:

Not as concerned about the order of usage after that...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ticket 10184 is AWESOME

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: The bandwidth required for HDTV is trivial compared to even the bandwidth of USB2 right?

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[R]:

well the hdpvr does "hdtv" and it works over usb2

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[R]:

so...

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Bhaal:

I need to switch from PCI to USB tuners...

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Bhaal:

I have bought 1 dual usb tuner, which has gone well, just hoping it can support another on the same bus...

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sphery:

yeah, a -3 priority on a dodgy tuner is about the only reason to use input priority

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sphery:

all other uses--where people try to affect which is used to record shows--is basically wrong

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[R]:

Bhaal: your computer only has 1 port?

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Bhaal:

[R]: I am switching motherboards soon, and as yet I am not sure how many buses it has... And I know I will eventually be using USB hdd's ... I am hoping I have at least 2 buses...

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sphery:

I have no idea why #10184 is invalid

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sphery:

of course, I have no idea why it would be valid, either

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[R]:

sphery: haha

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