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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2011, 00:07 UTC

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username232:

can anyone give me some recommendations on if a dual core atom with an nvidia ION chipset would be a capable front/back end for general avi/mkv playback, and OTA recording?

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wagnerrp:

the recommended frontend is one that can play any of your content in software

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wagnerrp:

and for ATSC content, an Atom wont cut it

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wagnerrp:

now that doesnt mean many people arent using it, offloading all their video decoding to the nVidia graphics chip with VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

but hardware decoding is inherently limited

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wagnerrp:

and if VDPAU does not work for some content

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wagnerrp:

they have nothing to fall back on

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wagnerrp:

for a backend... you really want more CPU power than an Atom provides

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iamlindoro:

And an Atom is an enormously bad idea for a backend

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iamlindoro:

and will get even worse going forward

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username232:

man that is what I didn't want to hear

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wagnerrp:

not because your backend will necessary be doing a lot

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wagnerrp:

but it has high instantaneous demands

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username232:

right

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wagnerrp:

when it wants to access the database, or run the scheduler, it wants to do that right now

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wagnerrp:

and doesnt want to have to wait for that to churn through on a slow processor

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iamlindoro:

And because of upcoming features that will make an Atom useless for the purpose

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clever:

i used to run my backend on a 400mhz P2, it sucked

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: in mythvideo, folders will get artwork if grandchild files have the same title, correct?

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clever:

now that ive upgraded everything to a decent ghz system, its pretty much instant :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: grandchild metadata

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wagnerrp:

how exact does that need to be

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iamlindoro:

100%

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wagnerrp:

in reference to something on mythtvtalk

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wagnerrp:

that means a folder named 'Spartacus – Blood and Sand' wont cut it, right?

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wagnerrp:

needs to be a colon?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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iamlindoro:

character for characte

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iamlindoro:

r

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username232:

so do you have recommendation for a budget frontend/backend setup? trying to do this for family member with an hdhomerun, but I don't want to go all out.

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username232:

was hoping to do a small case that would sit by the tv and not look like a computer

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username232:

the cheap ready made atoms stuck out at me as a nice solution, but i was worried they wouldn't cut it

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wagnerrp:

low end Athlon II X2, or Socket 1155 Pentium

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wagnerrp:

both of which you can build out on a similar budget to an ION system

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username232:

something like a sandy bridge celeron with the intel HD graphics built in?

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wagnerrp:

intel graphics should work

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wagnerrp:

a discrete nvidia card like a GT210 would be better

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username232:

anything in particular i should stay away from that mythtv doesn't play well with?

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wagnerrp:

like...?

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wagnerrp:

stay away from AMD graphics

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username232:

i know linux in general is a pain with ati graphics

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username232:

i appreciate the help guys, i'm going to surf around new egg and see what I come up with. I think i'll hang around for a bit and try to pickup some more tips

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wagnerrp:

one thing to note, you should have a separate disk for OS/database and recordings

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wagnerrp:

and consider making room for multiple disks for recordings

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username232:

any trouble recording to usb 2.0?

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wagnerrp:

it sucks

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username232:

good to know

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username232:

esata?

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wagnerrp:

(USB <3.0 sucks in general)

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username232:

k

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wagnerrp:

esata should be fine

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wagnerrp:

but that just means youre going to have multiple smaller boxes instead of one larger one

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wagnerrp:

so whats the point?

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username232:

honestly i was hoping to get off with a drive i already have lieing around, at least until prices fall back down a bit

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, just put the drive in the case

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wagnerrp:

even ones that were bought as USB drives can be taken out of their external caddy and installed like a normal internal hard drive

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username232:

sorry i may have missed your last message

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wagnerrp:

ones that were bought as USB drives can be taken out of their external caddy and installed like a normal internal hard drive

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username232:

yeah, thats what I was thinking, pulling it out and using it as a slave sata driv

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username232:

yeah, thats what I was thinking, pulling it out and using it as a slave sata drive

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username232:

any chance there is a db or a wiki with known working hardware or none working?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were planning on using a HDHomeRun, which is known to be working

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wagnerrp:

besides that... IR receiver?

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username232:

i found a decent case/mobo and it comes with a remote. Just curious if i could look somewhere that would say

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wagnerrp:

most people end up getting an MCEUSB remote

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username232:

don't bother with a biostar board/ this remote ir etc

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wagnerrp:

by and large, youre not going to come across a motherboard that doesnt do well with linux

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wagnerrp:

unless its just a piece of junk in general

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username232:

its not so much the mobo i worry about, its all the little stuff, wireless/remote that stuff

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wagnerrp:

wireless... networking?

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wagnerrp:

no you dont want that

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wagnerrp:

especially with an hdhomerun

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username232:

what about across a wireless bridge N bridge?

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wagnerrp:

with wireless, you _will_ have dropouts

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wagnerrp:

for a remote frontend, its a nuisance

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wagnerrp:

for a backend recording over NFS, or recording from a HDHomeRun, its fatal

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wagnerrp:

run wires

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username232:

good tip

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username232:

i actually may be able to do this cheaper than i was looking for with the atom box

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wagnerrp:

also note that there is nothing requiring this box be visible, or even near the tv

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wagnerrp:

you can hide it behind a tv

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wagnerrp:

you can drill a hole in the wall/floor and run it from another room

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username232:

yeah i think whats going to happen is

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wagnerrp:

HDMI has no hard limit on length

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wagnerrp:

USB gives you 16' before you need a repeater

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username232:

Hdhomerun/htpc behind the tv connected to a wireless N router wired

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iamlindoro:

So use HDMI via USB and you're DONE!

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iamlindoro:

;)

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username232:

wireless bridge to the router upstairs for intnet

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username232:

internet

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username232:

that way the hdhomerun and the htpc have a wired link to each other

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wagnerrp:

just run wires to the router too

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to run wireless is if you expect to be moving things around

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username232:

rental

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wagnerrp:

ask permission, and then do it cleanly with wall jacks

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username232:

tried that it's a no go

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username232:

the wireless should be sufficient since it will just be used for general internet browsing

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username232:

maybe some youtube

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username232:

mind to give me your opinion on a setup?

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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username232:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856115034

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username232:

with an intel i3

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username232:

3.0 ghz using the intel HD graphics

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username232:

and 4 gig of ram

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wagnerrp:

did newegg get rid of their popup gallery?

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username232:

you have to click on the large image now

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username232:

instead of jut on the small one

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username232:

just

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wagnerrp:

huh... tried that but it didnt come up last time

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username232:

weird. did it work this time?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

my only concern would be that remote

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wagnerrp:

but it looks like some form of mceusb

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username232:

i just got this Please try again later. Our apologies

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username232:

yeah it has the MCE button it looks like

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wagnerrp:

whether its one supported by lirc... i cant say

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wagnerrp:

very limited hard drive space

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username232:

maybe 2 bay spaces

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username232:

hard to tell

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wagnerrp:

one internal, one floppy, one optical

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username232:

don't really need an optical, I can probably fit another drive in there depending on the chasis

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username232:

wow tiger direct "product videos" are pretty damn worthless

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username232:

thanks again for all the help, i've got some more research to do

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nalls:

Hey all – Wanting some help with myth frontend if someone is available

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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nalls:

Ok. All is well on the backend. Front end is my laptop running Kubuntu 11.10. Main problem is SDTV channels on clear qam look great. HDTV channels on QAM look garbled

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wagnerrp:

garbled?

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nalls:

the mpg that is recoreded on the fly of the hdtv channel looks great if i copy that over manually and play it back thru mplayer

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wagnerrp:

could you post a screenshot somewhere?

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nalls:

Yah hard to explain i have a png of the screen

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nalls:

yah hang on.

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nalls:

wagnerrp: https://picasaweb.google.com/chrisn812/Novemb . . . t=directlink

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nalls:

Not sure where to go to figure this one out or how to search thru the mailing list for an answer. of course the word garbled doesn't return any results.

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wagnerrp:

AMD video card?

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wagnerrp:

or are these losslessly transcoded on a Debian system?

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nalls:

not transcoded as far as i know i dont have any transcode profiles setup intel gma on fujitsu laptop

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nalls:

basic default mythtv setup unless its transcodings by default

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be

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nalls:

this occurs on all HD channels. SD channels look great (for SD)

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PSU:

hi guys, what's the new standard for capture devices as i am looking to upgrade my old PVR-350. When i had asked several months ago it was recommended that i wait as there were a few new devices coming out including HDHomeRun Prime and HD PVR. Thanks!

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to record comcast digital cable?

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nalls:

wagnerrp: No. Insight Louisville KY

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wagnerrp:

PSU

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nalls:

Oh sorry :)

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PSU:

wagnerrp: yup exactly :) nice read on the host!

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PSU:

i believe that it was you who i spoke to very early this year

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wagnerrp:

look into the HDHomeRun Prime, or DCR-2650

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wagnerrp:

with comcast, you are likely to get everything but the premium channels marked as 'copy freely'

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wagnerrp:

meaning they can be recorded by mythtv through one of those two devices

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PSU:

awesome

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wagnerrp:

for premium channels like HBO, youll still need analog capture through a cable box with an HDPVR, or your old PVR-350

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PSU:

and is there a trade-off between the two? can one do more simultaneous recordings than the other?

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wagnerrp:

nalls: speaking of insight, any idea when we start going down the tube with the Time Warner purchase?

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wagnerrp:

PSU: they are internally the same exact device

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wagnerrp:

the Prime gives three tuners, connected over ethernet

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wagnerrp:

the DCR gives two tuners, connected over USB

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nalls:

wagnerrp: you must be in the area then. No idea on the TW purchase. I want to know when InsightBB is going to start ipv6 trials.

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PSU:

so the Prime has a little advantage if i had a need for three recordings at a time i suppose

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wagnerrp:

nalls: close, northern ky

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wagnerrp:

PSU: its also twice the up front price

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PSU:

wagnerrp: yeah, just noticed that

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PSU:

wagnerrp: so is there anything else that sets these apart besides the ethernet/usb, 2/3 and price points?

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wagnerrp:

like i said, they are internally the exact same hardware

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PSU:

ok good to know

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PSU:

and both work fine with the latest version of myth?

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wagnerrp:

the only other potential difference is that you need the Prime if you are going to use tuning adapters

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wagnerrp:

but then the only company that makes significant use of tuning adapters is time warner, who marks everything as copy protected anyway, rending those devices worthless for mythtv

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PSU:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

they work well enough in 0.24, they work great in 0.25

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PSU:

excellent

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PSU:

thanks for your help, greatly appreciate it!

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PSU:

"Requires a digital CableCARD (can be rented from your cable operator for around $3 per month)"

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to a cable box at $10+/mo

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wagnerrp:

or in this case, 2–3 cable boxes, plus 2–3 HDPVRs at $200 a pop

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PSU:

okay, so that's something pretty std that comcast would offer?

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wagnerrp:

they are required by FCC mandate to offer them

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PSU:

cool

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PSU:

thanks again for your help wagnerrp!

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nalls:

wagnerrp: I figurred out my problem. The playback scaling settings in the frontend config.

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wagnerrp:

is this an old GMA xx00? or GMA HD?

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nalls:

Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)

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nalls:

I set it to CPU++

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wagnerrp:

yikes no.. if anything, you want Slim

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nalls:

wagnerrp: you talking to me?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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nalls:

wagnerrp: that works too. whats the diff?

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wagnerrp:

decoder and deinterlacer selection

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nalls:

CPU usage looks about the same

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wagnerrp:

its possible you were falling through to the same default

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nalls:

1280x800 screen on my laptop

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wagnerrp:

in any case, you want to be using the Xv renderer, standard decoder, and one of the non-HW deinterlacers

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wagnerrp:

ideally you would want to use the OpenGL renderer, but you likely dont have the GPU performance for that

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wagnerrp:

and you do not want to be using xvmc anything

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nalls:

ok thanks.

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nalls:

is there any alternative to schedules direct?

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youre using an antenna, you can use EIT

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wagnerrp:

but youre likely to get somewhere between 12hrs to 2days from each station

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nalls:

im only getting 12 hours :(

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wagnerrp:

and its just as possible you'll get a bunch of 30 minute unknown shows as you are meaningful data

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oobe:

does anyone know if its possible to get metadata for tv show specials like this? http://thetvdb.com/index.php?tab=episode& . . . p;id=3216481

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wagnerrp:

season 0

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oobe:

ah I did find that worked for some ren and stimpy episodes but they were numbered 0x01 0x02 etc. on tvdb but the link above doesnt appear to have any numbers at all

[04:14:07]

oobe:

Im trying 0x1 now

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oobe:

thanks wagnerrp it worked

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, why is it that when people want to use framegrabbers and the message is basically, "what you saved in money, you pay for many times over in time," they still think it's worthwhile even when they're asking for someone else's time to help them make it work?

[04:26:54]

wagnerrp:

no idea

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iamlindoro:

Everyone knows MythTV is a tool to build a budget DVR

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iamlindoro:

duh

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sphery:

and listings just want to be free

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's that whole linux -> cheap meme

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dekarl:

sphery: where's your Linux can-do attitude, linux runs on everything, even a john deere :)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that the netbsd can-do attitude?

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dekarl:

good point, but I think thats only true for toasters and the like

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lycan^:

if i have 2 tuners in mythtv-setup do i need to scan channels on both cards or do i need to scan only for one tuner and point both tuners to the same video source?

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wagnerrp:

are they actually connected to the same source?

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lycan^:

yes the card is a dual tuner connected to the same aerial

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wagnerrp:

then yes, you can connect them to the same video source

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lycan^:

just using the one source ie free to air tv

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

the CUDA profiler works with OpenCL :)

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Beirdo:

for nvidia, of course

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Beirdo:

unfortunately it doesn't sure VDPAU in the profiling :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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lycan^:

wagnerrp: but do i need to run the channel scan for each tuner?

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wagnerrp:

channels are stored per video source

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wagnerrp:

you merely need to get the channels into the video source once

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lycan^:

ie see...that makes sense. thx

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wagnerrp:

however you go about doing that is up to you

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lycan^:

i see*

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maccco:

is there any way to order recordings list in other way than by date?

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maccco:

if i want to find a certain episode how do I ?

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wagnerrp:

select the show title from the left, and scroll up and down until you find it

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Beirdo:

how sad

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

seems it's cheaper to buy an external drive and throw away the case than to buy a bare drive

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Beirdo:

putting together an AMD E-350 machine to test OpenCL with AMD setup

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wagnerrp:

you know what this calls for

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wagnerrp:

network boot!

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ectospasm:

I'm having trouble getting my ScheduleDirect listings to show up in MythTV. I have analog service, but I can pick up a bunch of digital channels. I have a Hauppage (blah) 1270 or something, and at least in Linux it can only tune the digital. Is there any way for me to get the channel listing to populate the mythtv database?

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Beirdo:

heh, I'll likely just scavenge from my "old crap" pile

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Beirdo:

but grrr.

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wagnerrp:

ectospasm: scan your digital channels, then go into the channel editor and supply the xmltvids for them

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wagnerrp:

figure out what the channel is by watching a few seconds/minutes of each

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ectospasm:

So it's a manual process.

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ectospasm:

blech

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wagnerrp:

and you can find the xmltvid from mousing over the channel on the schedules direct website

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ectospasm:

not sure if I'm ready to do that tonight.

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wagnerrp:

cable companies don't publish their virtual channel mappings

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wagnerrp:

so theres no way for us to know what those channels are, beyond manual definition

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ectospasm:

understood.

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wagnerrp:

your local broadcast channels retransmitted over cable are likely to have callsigns

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Beirdo:

250G for $75?!

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Beirdo:

bite me

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wagnerrp:

and mythfilldatabase will attempt to match those up

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ectospasm:

It reads some of the channels (like ABCHD, PBSHD, NBCHD, CBSHD, FOXHD) OK, the listings don't get populated.

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ectospasm:

Beirdo: you're going to the wrong store if you're buying 250G for $75

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Beirdo:

ectospasm: find one where it's cheaper

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Beirdo:

and not stolen

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ectospasm:

I can probably get 2TB or better at that price.

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ectospasm:

Beirdo: US?

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wagnerrp:

ectospasm: unless youve got a time machine, good luck

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Beirdo:

yes, US

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Beirdo:

and good bloody luck

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wagnerrp:

find one right now

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wagnerrp:

not early october prices

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Beirdo:

floods in Thailand... took out about 1/3 of the world supply

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ectospasm:

Ah, I get it. Jacked up prices for the holidays.

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Beirdo:

i.e. 1/3 fewer being manufactured

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

no, floods

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wagnerrp:

western digital has been shut down for over a month

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Beirdo:

holidays would LOWER the prices

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wagnerrp:

their manufacturing plant is literally under water

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Beirdo:

especially Black Friday

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Beirdo:

but if no drives are being made, supply & demand says they get nasty expensive

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ectospasm:

Yeah, the samsung drive here is what populates my NAS: http://gb4less.com

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wagnerrp:

so that samsung internal is some 3x what you were saying

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ectospasm:

I think I paid less than a third of that price for the last drive I bought

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wagnerrp:

exactly

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ectospasm:

I stand corrected, yet again.

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Beirdo:

I paid about $80ish for 2TB a few months back

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wagnerrp:

prices bottomed out around $0.035/GB at the beginning of october

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wagnerrp:

then thailand got flooded

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Beirdo:

now... I can get 250G for about tthat price

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wagnerrp:

and now were around $0.11-$0.15/GB

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Beirdo:

and THIS is why we should care about Thailand :)

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ectospasm:

any SSD plants affected?

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Beirdo:

and why the world's hard drive manufacturers shouldn't all build in river valleys

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Beirdo:

SSD is still more expensive, but it is getting closer :)

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ectospasm:

but the labor is CHEEP

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Beirdo:

labor is just as cheap in the mountains

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wagnerrp:

ectospasm: so.. make your employees walk up a hill to get to the plant

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** wagnerrp is archiving data like its 2006 **

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Beirdo:

or alternatively.. not move down to the valley in the first place :)

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Beirdo:

Hmm, if I don't have crap drives, maybe I'll buy recert drives for now

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Beirdo:

heh, or see if work has any crap drives

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

60GB SSD for $80

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Beirdo:

they really are getting close to current HD prices :)

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Beirdo:

OK, bed

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goibhniu:

Hi, does anyone happen to have a Lenovo N5902 keyboard? I'd love to know what the output of xev is for the Internet Explorer button (XF86WWW I guess?)

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you shut down your backend/mysql right?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

so you have the WOL stuff set up for your remote frontends?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: how reliable is that usually?

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[R]:

works 100% of the time

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[R]:

although im not using the mythtv wol stuff

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[R]:

if thats what you are thinking

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wagnerrp:

the stuff in mysql.txt for specifying a command and timeout/retry options?

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[R]:

yeah, im not doing anything special

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[R]:

i do a wol before the frontend starts

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

well someone was questioning why the bindings didnt obey said options

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wagnerrp:

i was debating whether or not to implement them

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[R]:

my backend needs to be up before i can start the frontend

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[R]:

cuz of the nfs root

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dekarl:

what's mythfs.py good for? fuse mounting storage groups to mess with recordings?

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wagnerrp:

ever used mythlink/mythrename?

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dekarl:

yeah, got it preconfigured by KnoppMyth back in the days of yore...

[18:50:08]

wagnerrp:

same thing

[18:50:14]

wagnerrp:

except it uses mythproto to access the files

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wagnerrp:

so you can use it with remote backend without mounting stuff over nfs

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[R]:

i used it before i had upnp working

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: is it "better" than nfs or just an alternative?

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[R]:

you dont get the full names and stuff with nfs

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wagnerrp:

well you do if you use mythlink on the nfs mounts

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dekarl:

ok, I was wondering why someone would want to mess with TS files via Python to fix a somehow broken recording...

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[R]:

what does mythfs have to do with "messing with files"?

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wagnerrp:

something from the mailing list

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[R]:

oh, gotta love it

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: yeah... i dont know why anyone would want to _edit_ the files through it

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wagnerrp:

which is why i never wrote write or delete capacity into it

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[R]:

i think back when i was using 0.24, i added delete

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[R]:

it was pretty easy

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its fairly trivial to do

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dekarl:

but then, fixing the actual bugs in the backend (or elsewhere) that lead to broken recordings is just crazy :)

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wagnerrp:

fix a bug instead of a symptom? nonsense

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[R]:

i do that all the time at my work

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Dj_FlyBy:

I have the mythtv backend & front end installed on an Ubuntu machine and also a frontend on another machine. Both keep telling me: "Could not connect to the Master backend server — Is it running" I've gone through Google, etc and followed a lot of docs on how to set the Master Server IP address but that still doesn't work. The ports are open in my router and point to the internal IP just as the should. I'm at a loss now; please help

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dekarl:

looking at the special pages was worth it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Mythtv_search_results.gif ...

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wagnerrp:

Dj_FlyBy: router?

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: hahahah

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Dj_FlyBy:

yup; I've got 8 machines networked in my home

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wagnerrp:

Dj_FlyBy: so where does your router factor into any of this?

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Dj_FlyBy:

mysqld port

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wagnerrp:

you seem to misunderstand something fairly basic about networking

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wagnerrp:

routers exist to route packets from one network to another

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Dj_FlyBy:

yes, I know this....

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wagnerrp:

such as... from your internal network to the external internet

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wagnerrp:

you _DO_NOT_ want mysql or mythtv open to the internet

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wagnerrp:

so you _SHOULD_NOT_ be opening any ports on your router

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Dj_FlyBy:

I do when I wish to access it from another location and the router is MAC address mapped

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wagnerrp:

from another location, such as outside your local network?

[19:08:56]

wagnerrp:

from some place else on the internet?

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dekarl:

Dj_FlyBy: I take it that it used to work but now stopped? (Oh and I want such upstream, too where I can push out DTV streams)

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Dj_FlyBy:

my server is not just an internal server (I watch video's on my network from my cottage)

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kormoc:

Dj_FlyBy, just so you know, I can connect to your mysql server and communicate with it

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kormoc:

which means it'd be trivial for someone to brute force it

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kormoc:

mysql version 5.1.41–3ubuntu12.10

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wagnerrp:

Dj_FlyBy: you should not touch your router, because you should never open mysql or mythtv to the internet

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wagnerrp:

if you want to access mythtv from across the internet, set up a VPN

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kormoc:

openvpn is trivial to setup and secure

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: may as well check to make sure his backend addresses are set up properly while your there

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i.e. not 127.0.0.1, or 74.210.32.22

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dekarl:

Oh, you don't have mythweb up on your IP, that would be much more useful ;)

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wagnerrp:

chances are if he does have his ip set correctly, thats the reason it isnt working, because the remote machine is trying to access some local address

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Dj_FlyBy:

backend is set to internal IP

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wagnerrp:

then thats why its not working, as the remote machine is trying to connect to another machine at a local address that does not exist

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wagnerrp:

which is why you set up a VPN, which puts the remote machine on the local network

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wagnerrp:

such that to the remote machine, the local address does now exist

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Dj_FlyBy:

noted; however the frontend on the backend machine cant connect either

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wagnerrp:

when you say the internal IP, what IP specifically?

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Dj_FlyBy:

internal IP set by the router

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wagnerrp:

so 192.168.something?

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Dj_FlyBy:

yea

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wagnerrp:

did you in fact check that the backend is running?

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wagnerrp:

'ps ax | grep mythbackend'

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wagnerrp:

are you potentially firewalled internally?

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wagnerrp:

running iptables on the backend machine

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Dj_FlyBy:

yes it is running, and there's no internal firewall, just the external provided by the router

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Dj_FlyBy:

nope

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to see if it is complaining about something

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Dj_FlyBy:

all the log says is "access denied" when connecting to the database, nothing specific

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kormoc:

that's very specific...

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wagnerrp:

database or backend?

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Dj_FlyBy:

I checked the database to ensure the user 'mythtv' could indeed access it and all the credentials are there.

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wagnerrp:

oh, the backend logs are saying that

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Dj_FlyBy:

backend

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wagnerrp:

you checked those credentials on that specific host?

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Dj_FlyBy:

yup

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wagnerrp:

you checked the ~/.mythtv/config.xml file to make sure the login and password it is using are the ones you expect?

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wagnerrp:

if youre running mythbackend though an init script, youve made sure the location of those files are where you expect?

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Dj_FlyBy:

well, I can't say I checked the "file" itself, but it was all set during mythtv-setup

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Dj_FlyBy:

no scripts

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wagnerrp:

if mysql-setup is run as a different user, or if the init scripts configure a different location, the files may be incorrect

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Dj_FlyBy:

hmmm

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Dj_FlyBy:

ok, I'll open the file and check it, just in case

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wagnerrp:

the backend logs should tell you specifically what file it is looking in

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high-rez:

Hmm. Wow newegg has the prime for 177

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high-rez:

That's almost tempting to me, but I'd have to pay for another cc monthly. I kinda wonder if the recent price drops are in prep for a real 6 tuner system (as opposed to a dual 3 tuner system in a case)

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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high-rez:

:|

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dekarl:

I guess there is no such thing as trunking hdhrs together? (trying to avoid the term card sharing somehow)

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iamlindoro:

Why in the hell is Yianni Vidalis trying to build w/ OpenGL Es on a non-embedded machine?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

the two-hdhrs-in-one-box requires two cablecards

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wagnerrp:

its likely against cablecard licensing to try trunking as such

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dekarl:

ahh, two systems in one case is easy, even I can do that ;)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, cause OpenGL Es is lighter, so therefore faster and better!

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iamlindoro:

It's got two more letters, how can it be lighter?

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dekarl:

isn't OpenGL ES for Extreme Speed?

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iamlindoro:

It's 33% heavier grammatically!

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wagnerrp:

after all, he has to do everything he can for that puny centrino integrated intel graphics

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, but it makes for longer stickers, and stickers make things go fast!

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iamlindoro:

vroom vroom

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sphery:

wagnerrp: why not build with OpenGL ES support--after all, what's more fun than rebuilding Qt with OpenGL ES support?

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wagnerrp:

should we just ban outlook express from the mailing list?

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wagnerrp:

people cant seem to figure out how to use it

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wagnerrp:

s/people/person/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, I'm guessing the reason people are building with OpenGL ES support is because a) it's enabled by default in configure and we auto-detect whether the required bits are there and b) we don't have a switch to disable OpenGL ES in configure and c) if you build Mesa inappropriately (i.e. including OpenGL ES on a non-embedded system), you will have those bits

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sphery:

and, well, you know how the typical user of <distro that allows me to get the best system possible by randomly switching options during builds> are when they see that something is disabled... "What? Why isn't Mesa including OpenGL ES support? I might want that someday!"

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wagnerrp:

heh

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iamlindoro:

sphery: But it's SuSE! USers known for their extreme intellect!

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sphery:

wow, I'd have guessed the distro I mentioned

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sphery:

wonder if he's using packaged builds of mesa/qt (and if so, why suse is including es support in them)

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wagnerrp:

hes using a centrino

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wagnerrp:

laptops are embedded, right?

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

if it were atom, I'd agree :)

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qwebirc72208:

Question: I'm using mythbuntu-repos with 0.24-fixes and am wondering how to enable the crystal hd support...I've got the card working great in xbmc

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wagnerrp:

recompile it with crystalhd support

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[R]:

lol

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qwebirc72208:

ah...I was hoping it wasn't a compile thing....guess I'll need to read up on that

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wagnerrp:

im not aware of any alternate builds that might have support for it

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wagnerrp:

meaning if you need it, youre likely looking at building your own

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qwebirc72208:

once you recompile what playback profile do you use?

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wagnerrp:

you likely have to configure you won

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qwebirc72208:

ok....thanks

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wagnerrp:

s/you won/your own/

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wagnerrp:

*on

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the Grammer-matic :) **

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wagnerrp:

i blame my keyboard

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wagnerrp:

if i move it too far towards the edge of my desk, it stops being very accurate

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I like that excuse, I'll have to use it later

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wagnerrp:

im serious

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Beirdo:

I know :)

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wagnerrp:

i slouch back, pull my keyboard towards me

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wagnerrp:

suddenly i start typing gibberish

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Beirdo:

I've found that the angle of the keyboard makes a huge difference for me too.

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wagnerrp:

i love the thing, but logitech couldnt make a radio if it were to save the world

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Beirdo:

Hah

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Beirdo:

my Logitech wireless keyboards worked clear across the room

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Beirdo:

you may just have a lemon?

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wagnerrp:

no, all my logitech gear has been like this

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Beirdo:

how od

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Beirdo:

odd even

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wagnerrp:

the receiver is glued to the underside of my desk, roughly a foot away from the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

though about an inch of pressboard

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Beirdo:

should work fine

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wagnerrp:

if i move it that extra 6 inches to the edge of the desk, i lose it

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Beirdo:

the alignment of the receiver matters a lot too

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Beirdo:

horizontal vs vertical polarization and the like

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Beirdo:

or maybe they put metal pieces in the pressboard? :)

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Beirdo:

I dunno. strange anyways

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wagnerrp:

the really strange thing

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wagnerrp:

ive had trouble picking up my own keyboard

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wagnerrp:

while at the same time picking up stray keypresses from a similar keyboard at the opposite side of the house

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wagnerrp:

of course that means there is exactly zero security on these things

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kormoc:

I never have any issues with my logitech wireless stuff

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kormoc:

newer stuff is bluetooth so there's a little security there

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wagnerrp:

this is all old gear

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wagnerrp:

5+ years old

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Beirdo:

there. got 2000+ yards of wool yarn soaking...

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wizbit:

what devices use the broadcom CrystalHD chip?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: and how exactly are you going to use that yarn to build me my HDPVR killer?

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skd5aner:

;)

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Beirdo:

it will happen soon :)

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Beirdo:

gotta do many things at once, ya know :)

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wizbit:

strange, mythtv is compiling and i didnt even install ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

wizbit: why is that strange?

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wizbit:

i thought ffmpeg was a dep

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Beirdo:

no.

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Beirdo:

it's included

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wizbit:

ohhh

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Beirdo:

we have a snapshot of ffmpeg, we don't rely on the ever-shifting target

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Beirdo:

Oh look.

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Beirdo:

House speaking with his real accent

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Beirdo:

Hugh Laurie is British... this is on MI-5

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Beirdo:

seems it's called "Spooks" on BBC from whence it came

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Beirdo:

yay, my frontend just ate itself... after running for weeks

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I think that recording was bad

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Beirdo:

Movie!? This is supposed to be a show.

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Beirdo:

I hate when they have shows with the same name as movies

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wizbit:

im having trouble install python oauth on slackware

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wizbit:

maybe i need to do easy_install oauth

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Beirdo:

heh, at least this stupid movie is set in Seattle

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Dj_FlyBy:

hmmm. well I changed the info in the backend config but it still can't connect to the master backend

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