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| [00:20:19] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: thanks for that, my co-users appreciate i was eating dinner, and not screwing around on the computer updating the wiki |
| [00:20:20] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [00:37:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i stuffed all your services pages into the Services_API category, and added them down at the bottom of the TOC |
| [00:38:17] | wagnerrp: | something i noticed, you may want to move http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format now that mythvideo is no more |
| [00:38:49] | wagnerrp: | they havent technically been mythvideo grabbers since 0.24 |
| [00:38:55] | wagnerrp: | erm.. 0.23 |
| [00:40:34] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Should just delete it, probably |
| [00:40:55] | iamlindoro: | since even that format is nonexistent now |
| [00:40:58] | iamlindoro: | and has been for a while |
| [00:41:11] | wagnerrp: | heh... i didnt even realize that wasnt the xml format |
| [00:41:59] | wagnerrp: | ill remove references to it, mark it as outdated, and protect it |
| [00:43:25] | wagnerrp: | think that user manual TOC should be protected? |
| [00:43:34] | wagnerrp: | so far, im the only one who has ever made any edits to it |
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| [01:00:12] | wagnerrp: | mmm... castle back on tonight |
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| [01:10:29] | wagnerrp: | whats the command to refresh the list modprobe works off of? |
| [01:11:59] | [R]: | depmod -a? |
| [01:12:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the one |
| [01:12:21] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [01:12:42] | wagnerrp: | ive only had to use it manually a handful of times, with years in between |
| [01:13:59] | wagnerrp: | well thats funky.... |
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| [01:18:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any idea how i could have managed this one? http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/borked_frontend.jpg |
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| [01:20:02] | wagnerrp: | no logged errors, besides the obvious audio ones |
| [01:20:11] | iamlindoro: | Can't get the image to load |
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| [01:26:24] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [01:26:42] | wagnerrp: | i just spent five minutes trying to figure out why windows was passing my linein as left channel only |
| [01:26:53] | wagnerrp: | when the cable wasnt plugged in fully on my test box |
| [01:27:11] | [R]: | i love when that happens |
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| [01:27:50] | wagnerrp: | i pull the box out to swap the patch cable with my headphones to see what was being output |
| [01:27:56] | wagnerrp: | ... only to find the patch cable isnt plugged in |
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| [01:57:59] | plut0: | is there a simple cli test to detect a live video feed from a rca or s-video jack? |
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| [02:10:44] | wagnerrp: | mplayer /dev/video0 |
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| [02:14:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so im watching star trek, and they were sweating in their uniform... you'd think in the future they'd invent some kind of fabric that breathes better |
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| [02:26:58] | wagnerrp: | breathe better to what end? |
| [02:27:12] | wagnerrp: | one way or another, youve got to vent that heat away |
| [02:28:06] | [R]: | i dunno, there has to be a way to make a fabric that you dont sweat in |
| [02:29:10] | wagnerrp: | sure, microfluidic pipes, circulating cryogenic coolant from some pack |
| [02:29:19] | wagnerrp: | of course youll have to recharge periodically |
| [02:29:29] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:29:37] | [R]: | i said fabric, not suit |
| [02:30:05] | wagnerrp: | make the fabric out of said tubes |
| [02:31:07] | ** iamlindoro thinks wagnerrp is a bit of a Harkonnen ** | |
| [02:32:17] | wagnerrp: | we could even weave suspensors into the fabric! |
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| [04:02:51] | Beirdo: | OK, time for some heavy reading... |
| [04:03:17] | Beirdo: | printed out around 15 research papers on commercial flagging techniques |
| [04:03:35] | Beirdo: | hope to get some new ideas :) |
| [04:03:43] | wagnerrp: | research papers? |
| [04:04:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, University graduate-level papers, amongst others |
| [04:04:10] | wagnerrp: | didnt know there was that much interest in the stuff outside of open source DVRs |
| [04:04:31] | [R]: | i'm surprised tehy dont get hit with cease and decist letters |
| [04:04:34] | Beirdo: | any of which I coulda easily written if I had taken a masters... but that was YEARS ago |
| [04:04:52] | wagnerrp: | [R]: well theres nothing illegal with it, to give reason for a C&D |
| [04:05:00] | Beirdo: | academic research is not subject to cease & desist |
| [04:05:03] | [R]: | that never stops them from being sent out |
| [04:05:12] | wagnerrp: | and being ignored |
| [04:05:35] | Beirdo: | one of them made me go "grrrrr" |
| [04:06:00] | Beirdo: | the title: "Commercial Detection in MythTV using Baysian and Neural Networks" |
| [04:06:10] | Beirdo: | woulda been nice if they'd told US about it |
| [04:06:11] | wagnerrp: | they can publish it online, with a picture of them thumbing their nose |
| [04:06:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:07:19] | Beirdo: | in the conclusion, it says that they will be submitting their new commercial detecion agents back to us |
| [04:07:31] | Beirdo: | ooooooh, really now? |
| [04:07:34] | wagnerrp: | are neural networks something well suited for GPUs? |
| [04:07:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean it is a SIMD process |
| [04:07:56] | Beirdo: | not sure. Quite likely |
| [04:08:18] | wagnerrp: | but i would expect the work units would be of too long to load into the shaders |
| [04:08:50] | Beirdo: | max workload size is 1024 for these GPUs, but it will be automatically split up |
| [04:09:10] | Beirdo: | so you just have to design around the maximums |
| [04:10:18] | Beirdo: | this paper doesn't have a date on it :( |
| [04:11:19] | [R]: | no date!? |
| [04:11:25] | wagnerrp: | well its at least some time after sept 12, 2007 |
| [04:11:43] | Beirdo: | and it doesn't show up in CitePeer. |
| [04:12:23] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [04:12:32] | Beirdo: | cs5033_fall2007 |
| [04:13:07] | Beirdo: | University of Oklahoma |
| [04:13:28] | Beirdo: | so... they have had 4 years to submit their code... uh huh |
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| [04:13:37] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll read it over |
| [04:15:10] | Beirdo: | that's for later though |
| [04:25:57] | clever: | Beirdo: i forget, can you set a different detection method for each channel? |
| [04:26:15] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [04:26:33] | clever: | i was thinking that each broadcaster has there own style of fading to the comerical |
| [04:26:44] | clever: | and that within a single channel, the style wont change often |
| [04:27:05] | clever: | so you could fine-tune which detection method to use on the channel, to fit the broadcaster |
| [04:27:14] | Beirdo: | eventually |
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| [04:30:22] | wagnerrp: | booyah! |
| [04:30:41] | wagnerrp: | well paul turpin may as well be off the grid |
| [04:30:51] | wagnerrp: | but evan stenmark is all over the internet |
| [04:31:13] | wagnerrp: | including one commit way back in feb. 2009 to an open library for mapping programs on the iphone |
| [04:31:15] | Beirdo: | cool. if we can wrangle code... |
| [04:31:34] | wagnerrp: | using a github account registered to stenmark at gmail.com |
| [04:31:41] | Beirdo: | we do have their gmail addresses as of 2007 |
| [04:31:51] | Beirdo: | and that was one of em :) |
| [04:32:00] | Beirdo: | pturpin being the other |
| [04:32:02] | wagnerrp: | f**k! |
| [04:32:08] | wagnerrp: | there it is, right at the top of the paper |
| [04:32:09] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [04:32:16] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [04:32:28] | Beirdo: | they left off the date, but did put the email addresses |
| [04:32:53] | ** wagnerrp has victory, snatched by the jaws of mockery ** | |
| [04:34:28] | wagnerrp: | seems my frontend never got the notification that house finished recording |
| [04:34:36] | wagnerrp: | its still running the looping green animation |
| [04:35:14] | wagnerrp: | why cant people just buy a monitor with video inputs and be done with it? |
| [04:35:43] | wagnerrp: | or buy a game console with outputs usable on normal monitors |
| [04:35:57] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [04:36:02] | clever: | cant you use an hdmi->dvi adapter? |
| [04:36:16] | wagnerrp: | on a Wii? no |
| [04:36:19] | wagnerrp: | theyre analog only |
| [04:36:21] | clever: | ah |
| [04:36:28] | clever: | i was thinking of my ps3 |
| [04:36:48] | wagnerrp: | you mean a game console with outputs usable on normal monitors? |
| [04:37:01] | wagnerrp: | technically, you have to have a relatively new monitor |
| [04:37:06] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 requires HDCP support |
| [04:37:09] | clever: | ah |
| [04:37:13] | clever: | i was wondering |
| [04:37:16] | wagnerrp: | my 2004-era samsung doesnt cut it |
| [04:37:37] | clever: | does the ps3 demand HDCP for ALL output, or only some output? |
| [04:37:59] | wagnerrp: | all |
| [04:38:03] | clever: | dang |
| [04:38:11] | Beirdo: | is this #sony now? :) |
| [04:38:17] | clever: | i was thinking that gameplay doesnt fall under copywrited video |
| [04:38:17] | wagnerrp: | or at least the last time i tried it back in 2007, it wouldnt display anything without HDCP support |
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| [04:50:06] | Beirdo: | CiteSeer rules, BTW |
| [04:54:23] | Beirdo: | ahhh, page 11 on this one has exactly the algorithm I used for my wavelets :) |
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| [05:35:14] | high-rez: | Comcast music channels – are they also transmitting jpeg images? I turned to a music channel for the first time, thinking it would be an mpeg2ts with just an audio track – and its showing images with the songs. Thats pretty friggin cool - :) |
| [05:36:42] | high-rez: | Ohh odd it's a video track – just super low bitrate. |
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| [05:53:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, everything ATSC and digital cable is MPEG2 video and AC3 audio |
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| [06:02:42] | Beirdo: | there might be some straggling MP2 audio on some channels, no? |
| [06:03:20] | Beirdo: | Oh neat. This paper is from India |
| [06:03:34] | wagnerrp: | nope, ac3 only |
| [06:03:35] | Beirdo: | might have different pre-conceptions about commercials |
| [06:04:15] | [R]: | i remember when i was in israel |
| [06:04:18] | [R]: | there were no commercials |
| [06:04:21] | [R]: | but that was ages ago |
| [06:04:22] | wagnerrp: | they track the dancing scenes |
| [06:04:34] | wagnerrp: | commercials are identified by the dancing only lasting 30 seconds |
| [06:05:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:05:25] | Beirdo: | Hehe |
| [06:06:59] | Beirdo: | "But, in Indian TV stations, black frames are absent and our methodology works without using black frames as video clues." |
| [06:07:23] | Beirdo: | that might be good news for UK users... assuming their methodology is implementable |
| [06:07:55] | wagnerrp: | there are no black frames in the UK, but they still have enough of a gap that audio silence works? |
| [06:08:30] | Beirdo: | possibly :) |
| [06:08:47] | Beirdo: | that was my general understanding, but have no test videos to prove it with |
| [06:08:50] | [R]: | i bit my lip before |
| [06:08:53] | [R]: | is there a magic cure? |
| [06:09:19] | Beirdo: | more vodka |
| [06:09:32] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:09:35] | [R]: | i had too much this weekend |
| [06:09:45] | [R]: | it got to the point where it seemed like water to me |
| [06:09:49] | [R]: | thats how i knew i was too drunk |
| [06:10:09] | Beirdo: | or that you're turning into a Russian |
| [06:10:14] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:10:23] | [R]: | i also had 1 and 2 half shots of whiskey |
| [06:10:25] | [R]: | what does that say? |
| [06:10:36] | wagnerrp: | your bartender sucks |
| [06:10:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:10:42] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:10:43] | wagnerrp: | honestly, who serves half shots |
| [06:10:44] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [06:10:49] | [R]: | i dont do shots very well |
| [06:10:52] | [R]: | (or is that very good) |
| [06:10:54] | Beirdo: | unless he only ordered a shot |
| [06:11:04] | [R]: | and it wasn't at a bar |
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| [06:11:40] | Beirdo: | whiskey and vodka both should be drunk in larger quantities than a shot |
| [06:12:04] | [R]: | well the vodka was in a vodka tonic |
| [06:12:35] | Beirdo: | vodka, for instance, should be in a half-pint glass with a wee bit of ice. :) |
| [06:12:47] | Beirdo: | and it should live in the freezer |
| [06:12:49] | wagnerrp: | more bubbly makes more vomit |
| [06:12:54] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:12:58] | [R]: | i managed to not throw up |
| [06:13:04] | Beirdo: | hmmm, how do I still have a working liver? |
| [06:13:24] | wagnerrp: | you spared it, by diluting the liquor with more liquor |
| [06:13:38] | Beirdo: | ah, that musta been it |
| [06:15:35] | Beirdo: | ahh, there's another audio test |
| [06:15:44] | Beirdo: | spectral rolloff... |
| [06:16:03] | Beirdo: | distinguish voice from non-voice |
| [06:16:35] | wagnerrp: | ghost from apparition |
| [06:16:52] | Beirdo: | hehe, or that |
| [06:17:08] | Beirdo: | zero-crossing rate. OK, I can definitely count that |
| [06:17:16] | wagnerrp: | its all fun and games until somebody gets slimed |
| [06:22:46] | wagnerrp: | people in california are complaining about smart meters due to... health concerns? |
| [06:23:09] | [R]: | the wireless power meters? |
| [06:23:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:23:23] | [R]: | we've had them in arizona for years |
| [06:23:58] | [R]: | people in california will complain about anything and everything |
| [06:24:04] | Beirdo: | people in California are whacked |
| [06:24:30] | Beirdo: | I blame all the Canadians in Hollywood :) |
| [06:25:33] | [R]: | damn canadians |
| [06:25:45] | Beirdo: | Hey, we aren't THAT bad |
| [06:26:16] | wagnerrp: | blame canada! blame canada! |
| [06:26:43] | wagnerrp: | with all their beady little eyes, and flapping heads so full of lies! |
| [06:26:47] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:26:49] | wagnerrp: | blame canada! blame canada! |
| [06:27:10] | [R]: | what is st louis known for? |
| [06:27:15] | wagnerrp: | it seems that everything's gone wrong, since canada came along! |
| [06:27:16] | Beirdo: | crappy beer |
| [06:27:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:27:28] | wagnerrp: | blame canada! blame canada! |
| [06:27:32] | [R]: | WTF! |
| [06:27:34] | [R]: | so my power company |
| [06:27:43] | [R]: | has a "view outages" thing on their website, and its in silverlight |
| [06:27:50] | wagnerrp: | should we blame the matches? should we blame the fire? or the doctors who allowed him to expire? |
| [06:27:52] | wagnerrp: | blame canada! blame canada! |
| [06:28:16] | Beirdo: | and that b***h Anne Murray too |
| [06:28:34] | Beirdo: | apparently, she had a laugh over being included in that song |
| [06:28:55] | wagnerrp: | and all that hockey hullabaloo |
| [06:29:09] | [R]: | i went to a hockey game a few weeks ago |
| [06:29:42] | Beirdo: | Hockey rules. We need a hockey team in Seattle, dangit |
| [06:29:55] | Beirdo: | I'm not going to Vancouver for a game |
| [06:30:00] | wagnerrp: | a hockey game? in arizona? what's that aboot? |
| [06:30:04] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:30:08] | [R]: | i know its weird, but we have a team |
| [06:30:22] | wagnerrp: | in arizona, we use roller blades |
| [06:30:25] | Beirdo: | which one is that again? |
| [06:30:34] | [R]: | Coyotes |
| [06:30:49] | Beirdo: | ah yes... The one redeeming factor being their coach, IIRC |
| [06:31:30] | Beirdo: | the ex-Winnipeg Jets... hehh |
| [06:32:33] | Beirdo: | booo, OK I didn't realize Gretzky quit as the coach in 2009 |
| [06:33:21] | wagnerrp: | having an ice hockey team in arizona would be about as ridiculous as... a bobsled team out of jamaica |
| [06:33:28] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [06:33:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:33:40] | Beirdo: | or several ice-hockey teams in Florida |
| [06:33:43] | Beirdo: | and LA |
| [06:33:58] | Beirdo: | and Texas, for that matter |
| [06:34:44] | wagnerrp: | nah, in texas, they run absorption chillers off all those brush fires |
| [06:35:06] | Beirdo: | of course, the Phoenix team is almost all Canadians :) |
| [06:36:02] | Beirdo: | they list two Americans on the team... one... born in Toronto. |
| [06:36:14] | Beirdo: | dual citizens are still Canadians, people |
| [06:36:32] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... you dumb bastard, canadians arent people |
| [06:37:16] | ** wagnerrp goes back to trying to see the sailboat ** | |
| [06:37:33] | ** Beirdo reaches for the trout ** | |
| [06:37:53] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he needs to pull up a youtube clip ** | |
| [06:37:55] | Beirdo: | anyways, time to tax my brain with more reading |
| [06:38:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8xU67EjsZ4 |
| [06:39:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
| [06:39:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:41:27] | ** wagnerrp wonders why mallrats flopped ** | |
| [06:47:41] | Beirdo: | "A Pseudo-Statistical Approach to Commercial Boundary Detection" |
| [06:47:56] | Beirdo: | that almost makes my eyes glaze over just from the title |
| [06:48:06] | Beirdo: | let's see if it has anything useful in it |
| [06:48:19] | wagnerrp: | boundary detection? sounds like the kind of paper i would be writing |
| [06:48:41] | Beirdo: | this one's 12 pages long |
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| [07:06:14] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: Ahh, the page is hooked up already. Co-users was the best I could come up with. works for fathers of daughters, flatmates of students and whatnot. I didnt find much pages on "bolt the frontend on the back of your TV" or "how to route the FE's output from the closet to the projector" so I left the bullet lists away. |
| [07:10:10] | dekarl: | MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format could be used in place of MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format and add a hint that .25 can read that from mxml files (havent tested it yet) |
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| [08:02:27] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: the mythvideo grabber page has been marked as outdated and protected |
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| [08:09:46] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: oh, just saw the new unified page is already linked in the TOC. I just saw the removal of the old page. nvm then |
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| [08:10:45] | wagnerrp: | and spammy spam spam spammy spammy spam |
| [08:11:02] | dekarl: | We don't have a "show closed caption in the same language as your audio stream on mute" option? (Just starting to write the stations what extending their PMT to actually link to the captions would be good for) |
| [08:11:29] | wagnerrp: | no, but that would be a pretty neat feature |
| [08:11:35] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be difficult to implement |
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| [08:12:00] | dekarl: | but as with all other cool stuff it depends on the metadata ;) |
| [08:12:08] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, screw mute, hit pause |
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| [08:14:49] | dekarl: | hmm, you could add full text search on the closed caption if you know where they are. Though I'm not sure what that full text search would be food for |
| [08:16:14] | wagnerrp: | thats what snapstream does |
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| [08:16:57] | wagnerrp: | records everything (and i mean everything), and parses out and catalogs the closed captions |
| [08:17:23] | wagnerrp: | http://tvsearcher.snapstream.com/2010/04/intr . . . arch-engine/ |
| [08:18:51] | [R]: | thats absurd |
| [08:19:35] | [R]: | where does it say the power requirements? |
| [08:19:59] | [R]: | 30 amps |
| [08:20:07] | wagnerrp: | fairly modest |
| [08:20:14] | wagnerrp: | its only half a dozen servers |
| [08:20:20] | wagnerrp: | and a crapload of hard drives |
| [08:20:54] | [R]: | 50 tuners |
| [08:20:56] | [R]: | with one input |
| [08:21:04] | [R]: | it must have an amp |
| [08:21:07] | wagnerrp: | and a monster splitter |
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| [08:21:24] | [R]: | well i guess they make powered splitters? |
| [08:21:48] | wagnerrp: | anything larger than 3 is usually powered |
| [08:22:44] | dekarl: | but the only thing where I'd like to search is the transcripts of the political debattes in Berlin. but (you guessed it) there is no transcript. (The video recordings are not cut with stuff that should not go on protocol every now and then :) |
| [08:22:45] | [R]: | nah i have a 4 way |
| [08:22:47] | [R]: | 7db drop on each |
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| [08:34:00] | justinh: | bleh. only 50 channels? lame |
| [08:35:33] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive seen some projects before that monitor the closed captions streams and search for key words, then auto-mute the tv so you dont have to hear about some actor thats been on tv way too often |
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| [08:36:24] | justinh: | I want to see pictures of what the BBC are using |
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| [08:56:38] | justinh: | yeah, way to go. Using trac for engineering control tickets. IDIOTS |
| [08:57:05] | justinh: | need to reassign one which has landed in my direction but is there a dropdown for that? Is there hell |
| [08:57:18] | justinh: | and with no directory entry for the person I need to reassign it to... arghh |
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| [09:38:07] | justinh: | heh the guy isn't kidding. He certainly prefers Windows to the point of using MS Small Business Server 2003 |
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| [09:41:56] | justinh: | btw is there any way to make mythweb not autodetect a browser & make itself crappy on a mobile device? |
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| [09:42:44] | justinh: | it loads ok – as it should on Opera Mini, but quickly proceeds to revert to the mobile profile – which would be ok if it actually worked |
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| [12:20:14] | mazda01: | hello, anyone in here know why possibly my MythBox script within XBMC 10.1 running on an apple tv freezes with spinning thing when trying to access live tv? All 3 of my tuners are well under the 17 count limit |
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| [12:55:59] | sphery: | 17 count limit? |
| [12:56:34] | sphery: | wonder what he meant by that |
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| [14:12:37] | lapion: | is there a plugin that can be used like a alarm clock ? so that at the start of a recording it is shown live as well. |
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| [15:37:42] | iamlindoro: | Slingplayer releases app for set top boxes... we've come full circle... there's now an app to watch TV on your TV |
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| [15:49:41] | durin42: | Has anyone had any experiences one way or the other with mythtv's UPnP server and GoogleTV? |
| [15:55:24] | plut0: | it appears to work seamlessly with a PS3 |
| [15:59:34] | wagnerrp: | durin42: the problem with the google tv is lack of playback support |
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| [16:00:03] | wagnerrp: | it is very restrictive in the types of content it will play |
| [16:00:17] | wagnerrp: | which excludes anything mythtv might record |
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| [16:07:34] | durin42: | wagnerrp: I'm surprised to hear that – doesn't mythtv record mpeg2? |
| [16:07:43] | wagnerrp: | yes it does |
| [16:08:17] | durin42: | Are you asserting that it won't work, or have you /actually tried/? |
| [16:09:21] | wagnerrp: | im asserting that several of the devs got free units, and had the option of getting several more and funding to develop a mythtv app |
| [16:09:27] | wagnerrp: | but the playback support simply wasnt there for it |
| [16:12:28] | durin42: | Can you be more specific? It couldn't play mpeg2? |
| [16:13:11] | tank-man: | "which excludes anything mythtv might record" |
| [16:13:36] | wagnerrp: | i cant seem to find the email in question |
| [16:13:47] | durin42: | Forgive me for wanting actual technical terms rather than vague handwaviness :) |
| [16:14:03] | wagnerrp: | in any case, there was a whole lot of interest among several of the devs for developing an html5 frontend for it |
| [16:14:17] | wagnerrp: | but it all collapsed in january or so due to lack of playback support |
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| [16:14:38] | wagnerrp: | according to the specs on their site, H264, MPEG4ASP, and WMV |
| [16:14:41] | wagnerrp: | no mpeg2 |
| [16:15:12] | wagnerrp: | however i imagine the h264 support was more restrictive than that, because the HDPVR outputs h264, as do a lot of DVB broadcasters |
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| [16:22:20] | durin42: | wagnerrp: do you know which device the devs got? Was it the revue or something else? |
| [16:22:30] | wagnerrp: | the revue, yes |
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| [16:27:24] | wagnerrp: | seems the issue was that while h264 stuff should have worked, the vast majority of recordings were mpeg2, which would have required real-time trasnscoding |
| [16:27:37] | wagnerrp: | and thats just not an option for the vast majority of users |
| [16:29:27] | durin42: | right |
| [16:29:36] | durin42: | the bluray player sounds like it should have mpeg2 |
| [16:29:42] | durin42: | and that's the device I'm looking at |
| [16:30:09] | wagnerrp: | a bluray player that runs googletv? |
| [16:30:44] | durin42: | Yeah, Sony makes one. |
| [16:30:57] | wagnerrp: | meh... |
| [16:31:08] | durin42: | Supposedly Sony's TVs and Bluray player support mpeg2 decoding. |
| [16:31:25] | wagnerrp: | get a ROM, a copy of anydvd, and a proper frontend |
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| [17:09:59] | goibhniu1: | Hi, does anyone happened to have a Lenovo N5902 (or N5901) keyboard? I wonder if there's a way to enter F1 on it (without remapping) |
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| [18:09:53] | wagnerrp: | why are some people so bad at quoting on emails |
| [18:10:49] | jedix: | they want to maek your life less enjoyable |
| [18:11:01] | jedix: | it's the only answer that works in all cases that I have found. |
| [18:11:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean when they quote their own reply, its hard to even tell what part of the message is theirs |
| [18:11:44] | jedix: | yep, see.. they want you to suffer |
| [18:13:13] | wagnerrp: | my first thought was that he hit reply and send on a blank email accidentally |
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| [18:56:09] | wizbit: | is there a list anywhere what shows all of mythtv + mythtv plugins required deps? |
| [18:56:39] | wizbit: | im going to build a ultra slim minimal slackware system what boots mythfrontend with only required stuff |
| [18:57:02] | wagnerrp: | ultra slim.. to load in a memory disk? |
| [18:58:37] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: ^^^ |
| [18:58:51] | wizbit: | will be flash disk |
| [18:59:04] | wizbit: | what fits inside joggler via internal usb port |
| [18:59:33] | wagnerrp: | then capacity isnt a concern, so just do a standard install |
| [18:59:59] | wizbit: | my usb stick is 4GB, i want to keep things compact |
| [19:00:14] | wagnerrp: | then capacity isnt a concern, so just do a standard install |
| [19:00:28] | wizbit: | at the moment i got it working with ubuntu karmic, but that is now out-dated, no more updates for it |
| [19:01:22] | wagnerrp: | theres not likely any distro out there so bloated, it cant fit on a 4GB stick |
| [19:02:20] | wizbit: | im going to follow this howto and convert it for slackware: http://www.jogglerwiki.com/wiki/Arch_Linux |
| [19:02:32] | wagnerrp: | my relatively fat gentoo install uses some 2GB |
| [19:02:40] | wizbit: | ok |
| [19:02:44] | wizbit: | thats ok |
| [19:03:15] | wagnerrp: | looks like my freebsd installs eat around 1.3GB each |
| [19:03:27] | wizbit: | very nice |
| [19:03:52] | wagnerrp: | in any case, theres not really any up-to-date dependency list |
| [19:04:07] | deegan: | dont install the KDE packages and go with full, unless you have done a expert-mode install in slackware previously and dont have any tagfiles for a small system with X then save you the headache and install everything except for KDE. |
| [19:04:09] | wagnerrp: | its more just keep running configure, and add packages until you get everything you need |
| [19:04:24] | wagnerrp: | or, you can go into one of the various packaging scripts and see what they pull in |
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| [19:53:06] | justinh: | stupid work firewall. blocked access to my home IP again. But I can only find my home IP on an email server blacklist – which apparently is common for dynamic blocks |
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| [20:10:06] | squidly: | will myth select HD over SD if both chanels are avaliable? |
| [20:10:44] | wagnerrp: | only if you tell it to prefer the HD showing or channel |
| [20:10:59] | squidly: | how can I tell myth do to that? |
| [20:11:14] | wagnerrp: | you can configure the recording rule to prefer HD |
| [20:11:24] | wagnerrp: | you can alter the channel for higher priority |
| [20:11:41] | wagnerrp: | but please understand the pitfalls of messing with priority |
| [20:11:58] | wagnerrp: | the HD preference means 'bump priority on this showing +10' |
| [20:12:23] | wagnerrp: | so lets say you have a -5 rule and a 0 rule |
| [20:12:36] | wagnerrp: | the -5 rule has an HD showing, meaning it gets bumped to +5 |
| [20:12:48] | wagnerrp: | it will prefer the +5 HD version over the -5 SD version |
| [20:13:00] | wagnerrp: | but it will also prefer it over the neutral rule that would otherwise receive higher priority |
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| [20:13:24] | squidly: | ok so HD just gets a higher priority as well |
| [20:13:33] | wagnerrp: | for that rule only |
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| [20:13:46] | dekarl-too: | if you don't want the SD channel to be considered at all you can just hide it, too |
| [20:13:55] | wagnerrp: | there is that too |
| [20:14:05] | wagnerrp: | or you could instead downmark the SD channel |
| [20:14:13] | wagnerrp: | so you still pick up recordings, but only if there is no other option |
| [20:14:40] | squidly: | so I could just downgrade the SD channels and upgrade the HD channels? |
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| [20:14:46] | wagnerrp: | just a warning... as people mess with priorities and dont really understand how they work |
| [20:14:54] | wagnerrp: | so they get themselves into situations that they dont understand |
| [20:15:22] | wagnerrp: | as before, you upgrade all showings on that HD channel |
| [20:15:33] | dekarl-too: | squidly: it really depends on what you want to achieve. If its "record cool movies but only in HD" then just tell MythTV to do that |
| [20:15:42] | wagnerrp: | so a neutral recording on a +4 channel, will get priority on a +2 recording on a neutral channel |
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| [20:16:05] | wagnerrp: | right, you can make a power rule that specifically only matches for HD showings |
| [20:16:08] | dekarl-too: | I have such a recording rule "record everything that has a good rating and the HD flag set in EPG" |
| [20:16:11] | wagnerrp: | and priority doesnt factor in at that point |
| [20:17:09] | wagnerrp: | also note that the HD flag is just a flag, and may or may not be factually correct |
| [20:17:20] | wagnerrp: | it could be flagged HD, but actually be 480i/p |
| [20:17:27] | dekarl-too: | If it schedules something you don't want just set it to ignore in the upcoming recordings and it'll be ignored forever :) |
| [20:17:36] | squidly: | Ok. I'm trying to edit one of my shows current rules to recoard in HD over SD |
| [20:17:37] | wagnerrp: | it could be flagged HD, but be a 480i master upscaled and broadcast at 1080i |
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| [20:17:48] | squidly: | what do I need to change |
| [20:18:04] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: the austrian broadcaster don't provide that flag because they want people to appreciate the HD feel of better upscaler at the headend ;) |
| [20:18:58] | squidly: | Do I need to change the "Rcoard using" or what (i'm on mythbuntu right now) |
| [20:19:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did that 'prefer HD' thing go away? |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont see it in mythweb |
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| [20:19:30] | squidly: | I dont see it in MythWeb either.. |
| [20:19:36] | squidly: | or the frontend |
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| [20:23:09] | squidly: | I found a place to put it |
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| [20:24:00] | squidly: | In Setup|Recoarding Poriorties| Set Recoarding Priority. That seens to be where I can set it |
| [20:24:54] | dekarl-too: | That sounds like "bump up the priority when the HD flag is set for the programme", correct? |
| [20:25:17] | squidly: | Yes |
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| [20:29:09] | squidly: | ok that seems to work. with out messing up my other recoarding |
| [20:29:12] | squidly: | thanks wagnerrp :) |
| [20:29:49] | dekarl-too: | squidly: I have set my HDTV *channels* to priority -1 and the programs with HDTV flag to priority +1. For manually telling mythtv what I prefer I use +/- 8 or 16 on the recording rules |
| [20:30:43] | dekarl-too: | btw, you can find a cool example "rerecord in HD if the previous recording was in SD" here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Custom_Recording |
| [20:30:48] | squidly: | dekarl-too: what do you mean.. you settthe HDFla to +1 and the channels to -1? |
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| [20:31:03] | squidly: | thanks for the link :D |
| [20:31:07] | Nede: | i upgraded mythbuntu of version 11.10 (kernel 3.0) and with the same setup di mythtv in mythbuntu 11.04 i have found artifacts problem in live tv using vdpau (ION2 – GT218). |
| [20:31:07] | Nede: | I upgraded driver nvidia (290.10) but no resolution. Any idea? |
| [20:31:08] | dekarl-too: | obviously the channel is "-1" and the flag "+2", it wouldnt add up otherwise ;) |
| [20:31:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: could you imagine that 50 tuner box with a couple of hdhomerun primes? |
| [20:31:53] | Nede: | sorry for my broken english, i'm a italian user |
| [20:32:25] | squidly: | [R]: Yes I could |
| [20:32:44] | squidly: | I've seen some people think about setting up something like that in a MDN building |
| [20:33:06] | squidly: | anywho gotta run and get my son |
| [20:33:08] | squidly: | ttyl and thanks :D |
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| [20:35:07] | [R]: | mdn? |
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| [20:41:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's (an evil) HDTV recording priority setting that bumps priority of anything with HDTV in the listings (which, IMHO, should just be a custom priority--no need for a specific setting for it) |
| [20:43:28] | sphery: | and you can create custom recording rules (even having multiple rules per show) that trigger off the hdtv status |
| [20:43:53] | sphery: | don't know of any specific preference/filter/... (though there may be one in davide's new filter stuff) |
| [20:43:57] | wagnerrp: | are multiple matches additive with priority? |
| [20:44:13] | wagnerrp: | i.e. two matches, both +4, make a +8? |
| [20:44:22] | sphery: | no, each is resolved separately |
| [20:45:11] | sphery: | so if you have one rule that matches on all showings with prio 4 and one that matches only hdtv showings with prio 6, then an hdtv showing of that show is (initial) priority 6 |
| [20:46:09] | sphery: | allows you to have low-priority rules for simpson's re-runs and higher priority rules for new simpsons or whatever, without having to worry about other rules affecting existing rules |
| [20:46:33] | ** wagnerrp debates a filter that marks smilies in ticket titles as spam ** | |
| [20:46:38] | sphery: | note, though, that the mythfrontend UI doesn't allow creating multiple rules for a single title (except via custom rules), though mythweb makes it rather easy |
| [20:47:35] | sphery: | though you can sometimes "game" the mythfrontend UI--i.e. create a "this channel" rule for one The Simpsons, then find a non-matching episode of The Simpsons on another channel and create a new rule, then change both to any channel or whatever |
| [20:48:45] | wagnerrp: | honestly, have you ever seen a ticket with a smiley in the title that wasnt summarily closed for being not-a-bug? |
| [20:49:18] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:50:17] | wagnerrp: | 'my database table is crashed!'... well then why dont you go fix it |
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| [20:52:59] | dekarl-too: | oh man, the only thing worse then top posting is alternate top/bottom posting or even "in the middle posting" ;) |
| [20:53:58] | wagnerrp: | in-the-middle posting isnt bad, so long as you trim the quoted material to exactly what you are replying to |
| [20:54:16] | wagnerrp: | but to in-the-middle, with a bunch of extra garbage, while complaining about someone's top-posting.... |
| [20:55:08] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: I'm refering to half the thread being on the bottom and the other half on the top with the new mail in the middle. Basically each block in chronolical order if fine (hacking the mails to pieces that belong together) |
| [20:55:42] | wagnerrp: | one of our threads? |
| [20:57:20] | Nede: | I can repeat the question or I get punished? :-))) |
| [20:57:45] | wagnerrp: | well it has been half an hour |
| [20:58:02] | wagnerrp: | a bit on the short side |
| [20:58:23] | wagnerrp: | but we generally only complain when users do it within a few minutes of the first post, with little to no discussion in between |
| [20:59:15] | Nede: | i upgraded mythbuntu of version 11.10 (kernel 3.0) and with the same setup di mythtv in mythbuntu 11.04 i have found artifacts problem in live tv using vdpau (ION2 – GT218). |
| [20:59:15] | Nede: | I upgraded driver nvidia (290.10) but no resolution. Any idea? |
| [20:59:18] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: this one http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /324168.html it looks horrible on a phone |
| [20:59:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mark was breaking the rules, and no one bothered to fix his responses in their responses |
| [21:00:20] | wagnerrp: | but that last comment really needed no quoting at all |
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| [21:02:10] | wagnerrp: | Nede: the 290 drivers arent even released yet |
| [21:02:58] | Nede: | wagnerrp, have come out today |
| [21:03:08] | wagnerrp: | not according to their website |
| [21:03:45] | dekarl-too: | its even funnier when you mix top posting in outlook style with colours "hey I put my reply in the attached mail in red", "and I put mine in blue" with half of the reply on top and the other half buried in some attachments of 5+ mails. |
| [21:03:47] | wagnerrp: | 285.58 is the latest stable, about a month old |
| [21:04:06] | Nede: | no-no, website: http://www.nvidia.it/object/linux-display-amd . . . iver-it.html |
| [21:04:24] | Nede: | certified |
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| [21:04:46] | wagnerrp: | "Latest GeForce Driver Version: 285.58" |
| [21:05:24] | wagnerrp: | in any case, are you doing anything like running compiz? |
| [21:06:28] | Nede: | wagnerrp, no compiz. Distro mythbuntu use xfce |
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| [21:07:32] | sphery: | Nede: fwiw, I was seeing some issues with vdpau decoding on the drivers I had before 285.05.09 (I think they were 280 versions?) I just recently upgraded to 285.05.09, but because of the issues before, I had switched to ffmpeg decode and vdpau display, so I don't know if the problems would still be there with 285.x |
| [21:07:54] | wagnerrp: | 290, not 280 |
| [21:08:32] | sphery: | "some issues" = lots of macro-blocking and pixelation and smearing and pauses--looked like a signal reception issue, but when I couldn't find any problems with signal/setup, I tried ffmpeg decode and all was good |
| [21:08:42] | Nede: | standard driver nvidia ubuntu 11.10 is 280 and i have same problem... |
| [21:08:57] | sphery: | *all was good because I had a useful CPU rather than a toy that can't decode HDTV video in real time :) |
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| [21:09:54] | sphery: | Nede: I don't know if it's really a problem with the nvidia driver/vdpau/our use of vdpau/... , but I do recommend switching your playback profile to use ffmpeg decode and vdpau rendering and see if it "fixes" the problem |
| [21:11:11] | sphery: | if so, then your best bet is likely to ask on the mythtv-users mailing list (larger number of eyes will see it--and many of the people follow nvidia's development of vdpau and drivers, so will likely be able to give you good info) or hope that someone in here who knows/follows nvidia closed-source/proprietary driver development notices the question |
| [21:11:15] | Nede: | sphery, is placed against the video quality? |
| [21:11:31] | sphery: | but prove that it's vdpau first by using ffmpeg decode and seeing if the issues go away |
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| [21:12:06] | sphery: | not sure what you mean |
| [21:12:13] | sphery: | are you asking where to change the playback profile? |
| [21:12:23] | Nede: | sphery, i try..... |
| [21:12:36] | Nede: | (sorry for my broken english.....) |
| [21:12:49] | wagnerrp: | please tell me hes not asking if he can run a backend on ddwrt... |
| [21:13:07] | Nede: | sphery, yes, vdpau slim not found.... |
| [21:13:08] | wagnerrp: | whew... hes not |
| [21:13:33] | sphery: | Nede: Playback Profiles are in mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen... You'll have to select the playback profile from the selected group that matches the video's resolution, then change decoder to "standard" |
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| [21:14:21] | Nede: | sphery, ah, no...one moment, i view.... |
| [21:15:58] | sphery: | if you're getting an error that vdpau slim isn't found, you'll need to select a different playback profile group at the top of the same screen |
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| [21:16:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any reason not to use autodiscovery for an HDHRP on 0.24, other than you dont trust that guy to be able to follow the directions on the discussion page? |
| [21:19:14] | Nede: | sphery, change decoder "standar", ok SD channel but too slow (atom CPU) in HD channel |
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| [21:22:27] | Nede: | Ah, vdpaubuffersize for ION2 GT218? 42? |
| [21:25:27] | sphery: | do you have vdpaubuffersize specified? |
| [21:25:35] | sphery: | if so, are you running 0.24-fixes? |
| [21:27:00] | Nede: | sphery, yes, 0.24-fixes. My filter is vdpaucolorspace=auto, vdpaubuffersize=42, vdpauhqscaling |
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| [21:31:18] | sphery: | ok, there was a change in development code where if you specify vdpaubuffersize, it will almost definitely cause bad performance (since development code sizes it automatically for the video at hand) |
| [21:31:30] | sphery: | since you're on 0.24-fixes, though, you don't have that change |
| [21:31:42] | sphery: | so it should be fine to specify... though you might want to try without it |
| [21:32:40] | sphery: | basically, though, if you're using an Atom-based system for HDTV decoding and VDPAU/nvidia drivers fail to work, you don't have any option but to be patient and wait for a fix from nvidia, since their drivers are proprietary/closed-source and your CPU can't handle decoding the video for you |
| [21:32:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Just that with autodiscovery, to get the third tuner you need to manually edit the DB |
| [21:33:29] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: thus my preferred solution is for them to use IP for now, where they can get all three in the UI, until they upgrade to .25, when they can use either method and get all three |
| [21:33:56] | wagnerrp: | ok, was just wondering with regard to the new dd-wrt thread, whether it would be better to tell him to use auto-discovery instead |
| [21:34:25] | ** wagnerrp has never been partial to letting his network be managed by a little consumer router ** | |
| [21:36:30] | Nede: | sphery, thank you for the lesson!!!!! I remove buffersize but not solved... on mythbuntu 11.04 and 260 nvidia driver mythtv work.....i wait new driver.... |
| [21:37:15] | sphery: | Nede: cool, so you were able to install the old driver? |
| [21:37:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I can't *wait* for one of .25's killer features to have Atom BE users kicking themselves |
| [21:37:41] | sphery: | hehe, which feature would this be? |
| [21:37:52] | iamlindoro: | The one that will suck up lots of BE processor time |
| [21:37:56] | iamlindoro: | lots and lots |
| [21:38:05] | sphery: | (for transcoding?) |
| [21:38:24] | ** iamlindoro frowns at sphery's inability to wink wink nudge nudge ** | |
| [21:38:32] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:38:33] | sphery: | oops |
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| [21:39:07] | sphery: | They say you are what you eat, and I love my New York style cheesecakes--nice and dense |
| [21:39:10] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I should set up a streaming profile for atom users in my app... "it's 16x9! Literally!" |
| [21:39:17] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [21:39:54] | dekarl: | the channel lock hanging at TLMs is waiting for service to be seen in PAT/PMT? (looking at the users list about channel 4) |
| [21:40:16] | sphery: | So, Google found the next mark for it's Google TV con... Samsung. Guess Sammy didn't listen to Logitech's story. |
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| [21:41:08] | sphery: | dekarl: all I can say is: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.21 |
| [21:41:16] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I like the big, fat, normal browser w/ Google on all the gallery pics |
| [21:41:21] | Nede: | sphery, no, 260 nvidia driver is the driver standard the previous release 11.04 |
| [21:41:23] | iamlindoro: | If that's google TV, we've had that for years |
| [21:41:23] | sphery: | (and pretty sure c/C is encryption status for CAM/CI) |
| [21:41:42] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [21:42:00] | dekarl: | indeed, I remember C as crypto, too |
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| [21:42:21] | sphery: | Nede: oh, I see... I thought you said that downgrading to that one fixed it, but you meant it worked, before, with that driver. |
| [21:43:28] | Nede: | sphery, yes (my english is very-very-very broken. Bug fix please:-) ) |
| [21:43:38] | sphery: | dekarl: wonder what the T is... not in the list, either |
| [21:44:27] | sphery: | (though not the problem in TLMs) |
| [21:45:00] | dekarl: | hmm and what does "SDT was seen but not good" mean? sounds like a peek at the source might be needed |
| [21:45:32] | Nede: | sphery, thank's for your time and good night (italian time 22:45) |
| [21:46:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: took 4 replies, but finally got the, "It even crossed my mind to install mythtv on it." |
| [21:46:39] | wagnerrp: | heh... hahahahha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHheeechh *cough* *cough* |
| [21:46:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ^^^ don't think that would even be able to do 16x9 |
| [21:46:47] | Nede: | good work at all!!! I love you (and your mythtv!!!) |
| [21:47:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery: whichnow? |
| [21:47:17] | wagnerrp: | do you think we would even compile on MIPS? |
| [21:47:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: realtime transcoding to 16x9 pixels on an Atom |
| [21:47:42] | wagnerrp: | since it cant even do realtime decoding of HD MPEG2 |
| [21:47:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I think he's referring to something non-atom? |
| [21:47:51] | sphery: | dekarl: yeah, I think source would explain it much better than the "high level" docs do |
| [21:48:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... have to be multiples of 16 |
| [21:48:21] | wagnerrp: | letterboxed 16x16! |
| [21:48:33] | Nede: | bye!!! |
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| [21:48:41] | iamlindoro: | Don't be silly, transcode on an atom is how I got those sweet Arclight backgrounds |
| [21:48:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I was referring to a WRT54G trying to do 16x9--saying it's even less powerful than the atoms |
| [21:48:58] | sphery: | [mythtv-users] dd-wrt thread |
| [21:49:06] | iamlindoro: | ah, yeah |
| [21:49:07] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [22:28:42] | dekarl: | sphery: finally found it... I bet the user just slapped another frequency on the multiplex and now the ids don't match up (surprise) |
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| [22:33:59] | dekarl: | anybody got an idea where that TLMsc could be put on the wiki? Call it "Signal Monitor" and link to it from FAQ#Live_TV? |
| [22:45:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#What_ . . . _channels.3F |
| [22:45:50] | wagnerrp: | as it is, that data is largely duplicated from the official documentation on the main page |
| [22:46:06] | wagnerrp: | ideally, that would get broken apart and replace http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [22:47:08] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about users who want to use master, then ask for the web setup password rather than read it in commits ** | |
| [22:53:59] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: that page looks as if there was some competition for page length :( |
| [22:54:24] | wagnerrp: | no, its copied straight from the official docs on the main page |
| [22:54:36] | wagnerrp: | condensed into a single page |
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