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| [00:04:22] | high-rez: | Can myth play bd images like it does with dvd images? E.g. no need to mount -o loop -t udf the image, but rather just play right from the udf image itself? If so does it need to have a special extension to identify it as udf (e.g. instead of a .iso for DVDs) ? |
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| [00:10:24] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [00:10:32] | iamlindoro: | DVDs and Blu-rays are both UDF |
| [00:10:46] | iamlindoro: | ISO playback comes from libdvdread |
| [00:10:51] | iamlindoro: | libbluray has no such capability |
| [00:10:54] | high-rez: | Gotcha |
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| [01:02:20] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i thought mythgame had an internal scanner for games |
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| [01:30:44] | iamlindoro: | It has a scanner, why? |
| [01:31:22] | wagnerrp: | wiki change, some guy posted what looks like an external perl scanner for MAME |
| [01:31:54] | wagnerrp: | wondering if i should just let him be, or inform him of stuff like the perl bindings for database access |
| [01:32:07] | wagnerrp: | i.e. is the script worthwhile |
| [01:32:34] | iamlindoro: | I can't see what the advantage would be of an external "scanner" |
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| [01:32:50] | wagnerrp: | it seems to be reading some MAME specific files |
| [01:33:02] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know anything about mame to have any idea what those files are |
| [01:34:00] | iamlindoro: | yeah, me neither |
| [01:34:05] | iamlindoro: | I only use MythGame for ScummVM |
| [01:37:16] | wagnerrp: | oh... its actually a crude metadata grabber, pulling those files from some online site |
| [01:45:26] | wagnerrp: | looks like it queries MAME with '-listxml' for a list of currently available ROMs |
| [01:46:54] | iamlindoro: | So basically, it sidesteps the actual metadata grabber |
| [01:46:59] | iamlindoro: | one of which is actually *for* Mame |
| [01:47:29] | wagnerrp: | well it pulls the data from mame |
| [01:47:42] | wagnerrp: | which i assume means you need to populate the information in mame in the first place |
| [01:47:56] | iamlindoro: | Well there are many MAME emus |
| [01:48:07] | iamlindoro: | most of which can simply be passed the filename like any external "player" |
| [01:49:03] | wagnerrp: | so mame is more of a shell framework to load emulators for individual hardware? |
| [01:50:01] | iamlindoro: | for a variety of hardware, yeah |
| [01:50:56] | hoolio: | Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator |
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| [02:08:56] | wagnerrp: | so if you have absolutely zero interest in anyone listed in an ad for the american music awards, is that a sign that you're getting old? |
| [02:09:14] | wagnerrp: | or just the modern music is garbage? |
| [02:09:19] | wagnerrp: | s/the/that/ |
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| [02:19:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, just starting The Event... So far, I'm 1m 49s into the showand they've done a "23 minutes earlier" /and/ an "eleven days earlier" |
| [02:19:43] | sphery: | I'm wondering if I'll be able to keep up with the math in this show |
| [02:20:00] | wagnerrp: | didnt that get canceled after the first season |
| [02:20:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:20:23] | wagnerrp: | i got ported after the first couple episodes, and stopped seeing ads a while later |
| [02:20:27] | sphery: | but it's a genre that I'm interested enough in to watch it anyway |
| [02:20:30] | wagnerrp: | s/ported/bored/ |
| [02:21:00] | sphery: | yeah, I figure it's only 13 eps and at 1.5x with commercial skip, they'll go quickly |
| [02:21:28] | wagnerrp: | it was boring, still boring, more boring, holy hell! what an event! more boring, boringer, boringerer |
| [02:21:35] | sphery: | I'm also watching Off The Map, now, and it got cancelled, too (also 13 eps) |
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| [02:22:00] | wagnerrp: | the whole series was good for about a 3 minute SG sequence |
| [02:22:04] | wagnerrp: | CG |
| [02:22:06] | sphery: | not as big a fan of the Off The Map genre (it's basically Grey's Anatomy in the jungle), but it has Caroline Dhavernas |
| [02:22:12] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:22:14] | iamlindoro: | The Event *deserved* to get canceled |
| [02:22:22] | wagnerrp: | watch the end of the first episode |
| [02:22:23] | sphery: | let me guess-I'll see that 3min sequence in the pilot? |
| [02:22:26] | wagnerrp: | delete the rest |
| [02:22:28] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:22:35] | sphery: | but I do like Jason Ritter |
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| [02:30:32] | sphery: | and now thirteen months earlier... they're not much into the whole "timeline" approach to story telling--more of a time-amorphous-blob approach |
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| [02:37:15] | iamlindoro: | Timesquiggle |
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| [02:44:38] | wagnerrp: | heh... foolish users and their channels.confs |
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| [03:33:02] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Have we finally conquered Poland? |
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| [03:53:42] | wagnerrp: | conquered like it was 1939 |
| [03:54:24] | wagnerrp: | were still going to get some new accounts on non-.pl domains though |
| [03:54:37] | [R]: | just force all registrations to be approved |
| [03:54:38] | [R]: | proble solved |
| [03:54:38] | wagnerrp: | ill have to see how much before i bother with an IP list |
| [03:55:05] | wagnerrp: | the idea is to make less work for us |
| [03:55:15] | [R]: | but you just get a smartphone |
| [03:55:18] | [R]: | and have it email you |
| [03:55:23] | [R]: | and you can say yes/no right away |
| [03:55:49] | ** wagnerrp would gladly do so if [R] donated an unlocked smartphone for that purpose ** | |
| [03:56:14] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:56:31] | [R]: | only unlocked? haha |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | im not greedy, i wont make you pay for my service contract |
| [03:57:10] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:57:34] | wagnerrp: | hey, im meeting you half way here |
| [03:57:42] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [07:25:56] | dekarl: | sphery: they should have made some House vs. McGyver crossover in the jungle... |
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| [07:38:56] | justinh: | so will mythtv run on a knight's corner chip? |
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| [07:44:32] | dekarl: | of course it's x86 compatible and runs windows ;) |
| [07:48:48] | dekarl: | justinh: fun aside. Bei rdo's OpenCL code should in theroy run on it as on any other GPU style hardware. |
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| [07:52:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, if you have an OpenCL driver for it |
| [07:52:21] | Beirdo: | and it supports the required extensions :) (currently none REQUIRED) |
| [07:52:44] | Beirdo: | although... I'm getting more convinced that maybe CUDA would be easier :) |
| [07:53:56] | Beirdo: | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20 . . . omputer.html |
| [07:54:01] | Beirdo: | and then there's that :) |
| [07:54:06] | Beirdo: | I WANT one |
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| [07:54:38] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna go back to SC11 tomorrow just to see that. |
| [07:55:06] | Beirdo: | it's apparently on display at the nvidia booth... and it runs... Linux. :) |
| [07:56:07] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:56:33] | justinh: | this BBC DRM furore is quite something, but I feel it's something I've seen before, and it's nothing |
| [07:56:40] | Beirdo: | Quad Core Tegra3 + 520MX (or so says something I just read) |
| [07:57:09] | Beirdo: | and if it will do VDPAU... I will be happier yet |
| [07:57:30] | Beirdo: | BTW, I was just hanging out with some of the guys who *wrote* CUDA |
| [07:57:32] | justinh: | OMFG MythTV got a mention in THE GRAUN! |
| [07:58:50] | dekarl: | that's a news paper? |
| [07:59:03] | justinh: | ah it becomes clearer from the comments in the graun article that this DRM was only about the EPG data. Meh |
| [07:59:15] | justinh: | dekarl: THE GRAUN == THE GUARDIAN. |
| [07:59:27] | justinh: | GRAUN, short for GRAUNIAD |
| [07:59:35] | justinh: | an affectionate anagram |
| [07:59:53] | Beirdo: | http://www.secoqseven.com/en/item/secocq7-mxm |
| [07:59:55] | Beirdo: | there it is |
| [08:01:39] | dekarl: | why does the topic remember me on the users list? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/14/bbc-hd-drm |
| [08:02:07] | Beirdo: | according to the nvidia guy, it sounds like it might end up being a ~$200 board |
| [08:11:00] | justinh: | mythtv guys.. a bunch of nvidia shills ;-) |
| [08:12:47] | dekarl: | did Ofcom really call it "Content management on the HD Freeview platform" ? |
| [08:12:48] | justinh: | Beirdo: perfect MythTV frontend material? |
| [08:13:02] | justinh: | dekarl: EPG data *is* content. Kind of ;-) |
| [08:13:53] | justinh: | I wonder what kind of greatness we could have here using NVidia instead of ShitWrights |
| [08:13:56] | dekarl: | is it really *only* about EPG data? from the graun (april 2010, mentioning mythtv lots) it appeared like that |
| [08:14:07] | justinh: | dekarl: yes |
| [08:14:18] | justinh: | obsfurcation of EPG data. Huffman tables |
| [08:15:01] | justinh: | and restricting STB & TV manufacturers by making them agree not to allow export of HD shows to other devices. Simple |
| [08:15:24] | justinh: | in many ways the BBC actually did end users a big favour |
| [08:15:36] | justinh: | especially MythTV users |
| [08:15:53] | justinh: | which few of the consultation respondents actually realised |
| [08:16:08] | Beirdo: | justinh: it does seem like it could be a future candidate |
| [08:16:27] | Beirdo: | with the Tegra3 benchmarking right around a Core2 Duo |
| [08:17:16] | Beirdo: | we'll see in 6 months or so when it's available |
| [08:17:30] | justinh: | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Not Pi :-D |
| [08:17:43] | dekarl: | justinh: they only show you the huffmann tables only if you promise to not export bbc hd recordings? But no encryption involved? That would be cool. |
| [08:17:59] | dekarl: | everbody and their mom have their own custom huffmann tables, nothing special there |
| [08:18:07] | Beirdo: | actualy.. benchmarks between Core2 Duo and Core2 Quad... for coremarks/MHz |
| [08:18:45] | justinh: | dekarl: no encryption of audio or video streams at all. everything in the clear. No CI or any other evil accoutrements needed |
| [08:19:03] | justinh: | we're boned when CI+ becomes prevalent though |
| [08:19:22] | dekarl: | basically walking the fine line between paying lots of licence fees to hollywood and giving the license payers the finger. sounds not to bad |
| [08:19:44] | justinh: | the ironies pointed out in the graun column are fun though |
| [08:20:00] | justinh: | like er... US networks showing stuff in the clear |
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| [08:21:06] | Beirdo: | and while I was at the meetup, I realized that I can reimplement my 2D wavelet transform to be faster... and use one set of buffers. |
| [08:21:36] | dekarl: | That's something i didn't understand. In the US its clear in broadcasts *over the air*, but cable and sat don't count as broadcasts? |
| [08:21:38] | justinh: | my tiny brain just went kaboom |
| [08:21:51] | justinh: | dekarl: technically it isn't a broadcast |
| [08:22:24] | Beirdo: | sure it is |
| [08:22:36] | Beirdo: | just over a different medium (for cable) |
| [08:22:49] | justinh: | you can't just go out & buy a cable receiver or a satellite receiver |
| [08:22:57] | Beirdo: | and different modulation and frequency spectrum for sat |
| [08:23:15] | Beirdo: | but they are all technically broadcasts |
| [08:23:30] | Beirdo: | and yes you can (for sat) |
| [08:23:33] | justinh: | anyway maybe over there the distinction between in the clear by law & encryptable is OTA or not OTA |
| [08:23:40] | dekarl: | beirdo: bah, you're talking about physical realities... I think the differentiation is more how services are cut or something |
| [08:23:44] | Beirdo: | DirecTV receivers are available at Walmart |
| [08:23:59] | Beirdo: | yeah, they make some phony distinctions :) |
| [08:24:08] | justinh: | Beirdo: yeah but without a subscription it ain't worth Jack |
| [08:24:15] | Beirdo: | true |
| [08:24:37] | justinh: | my own definition of a broadcast would be 'available to all with a receiver' |
| [08:24:52] | dekarl: | but then theres the thing with the tv license... works entirely different between EU and US |
| [08:25:01] | justinh: | and 'available to all who subscribe' would be narrowcasting |
| [08:25:06] | Beirdo: | my definition is... sent from one location to many simultaneously |
| [08:25:20] | dekarl: | that would be multicast :) |
| [08:25:34] | justinh: | dekarl: the tv tax is just a means of the BBC being funded |
| [08:26:03] | justinh: | dekarl: technically it just works out the BBC is paid for that way but basically it entitles you to use TV receiving equipment, full stop |
| [08:26:15] | dekarl: | well, in the US there's no tv tax and yet they still are forced to broadcast in clear and are still making profit... |
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| [08:26:34] | justinh: | when (not IF) the government kills the BBC funding route, they won't kill the licence fee |
| [08:26:58] | justinh: | the BBC have conflicts of interest all over the place |
| [08:27:22] | dekarl: | is it a tax? as in financial transaction without entitlement for benefits? Or more like a fee? ;) |
| [08:27:52] | Beirdo: | or a "bend over and grab your ankles" |
| [08:27:55] | justinh: | they're not supposed to favour commercial interests in ANY way by their charter – and yet every day they feature artists, authors, exhibitors, company representatives ... PROMOTING STUFF |
| [08:27:56] | dekarl: | (that sounded strange after translating) |
| [08:28:18] | justinh: | dekarl: it's a fee really. Paying it entitles you to receive TV |
| [08:28:34] | Beirdo: | that's a tax :) |
| [08:28:49] | justinh: | if you get caught not paying you can be fined £1000 and/or imprisoned |
| [08:29:08] | Beirdo: | I'll take imprisoned... then you get free TV |
| [08:29:16] | justinh: | prison terms for non-payment have been known to be longer than for burglary |
| [08:29:26] | Beirdo: | that's stupid |
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| [08:29:29] | lapion: | dekarl, in the us there is commercial tax, you are paying for tv by watching commercials.. |
| [08:29:37] | Beirdo: | but then again... it's the UK :) |
| [08:29:39] | lapion: | in the UK you are paying tax so you can watch tv with significantly less commercials, and no commercials during any show on the bbc |
| [08:29:58] | justinh: | there was a really poor Simpsons episode where Marge went TiVo crazy on the other day |
| [08:29:59] | Beirdo: | the US has other ways of being stupid |
| [08:30:01] | justinh: | man, it SUCKED |
| [08:30:31] | justinh: | lapion: unless you count BBC News where they have features about somebody's new film, or album... |
| [08:30:45] | dekarl: | lapion... the no commercials practice within the show got dropped sometime in the last years in germany. Haven't looked into what happened there. I don't want to go the route of paying for TV in the super market *and* via some license |
| [08:30:47] | justinh: | and all the talk shows where they have features about somebody's new film, or album.... |
| [08:31:21] | dekarl: | justinh: that information, not advertising ;) |
| [08:31:28] | dekarl: | s/that/that's/ |
| [08:31:33] | justinh: | U2 launch a new album.. and Radio One have a whole day about U2 |
| [08:31:35] | Beirdo: | that's a fine line |
| [08:31:45] | justinh: | yeah a fine line alright. |
| [08:31:47] | Beirdo: | OK, THAT is over said fine line |
| [08:31:56] | lapion: | dekarl, only before and after each show there are commercials. |
| [08:32:22] | justinh: | the BBC spend stupid amounts of money promoting their own shows |
| [08:32:34] | justinh: | I mean we have trailers for major series made specially |
| [08:32:53] | justinh: | Strictly Come Dancing.. jesus. Hundreds of extras, big street shots.... |
| [08:33:18] | dekarl: | lapion it used to be the same over here.. then came product placement and lately I saw an ad break on public tv.. |
| [08:33:41] | justinh: | even a BBC initiative to get people to show elderly people how to use a computer for an hour... massive budget promos |
| [08:34:03] | justinh: | Coronation St. just got product placement, I heard yesterday |
| [08:34:31] | justinh: | oh yeah, and that bloody 'Perfect Day' promo the BBC did. Cost zillions |
| [08:34:41] | justinh: | and all the branding. Jesus. The branding |
| [08:34:49] | justinh: | and focus groups |
| [08:35:06] | dekarl: | Hmm, maybe someone should tell him that someone somewhere has to do the work. Be it him or some guide company he pays or some other volunteer... There is no free pony after all |
| [08:35:36] | Beirdo: | sure there is |
| [08:35:39] | Beirdo: | the one ya stole |
| [08:35:47] | justinh: | ponies! |
| [08:37:10] | dekarl: | Beirdo thats only free because someone doesnt go after the thieves. Would be the same with free *insert something expensive at your local hifi market* if no one would go after them |
| [08:37:49] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [08:38:06] | justinh: | over here they're sending the police helicopter after people who steal a car |
| [08:38:18] | Beirdo: | free until ya get caught... then you get free rent in a 6x9 cell for a few years |
| [08:38:25] | dekarl: | I've had my share of people who don't grasp the concept of stuff belonging to someone... "if you can't keep it you haven't been supposed to have it in the first place" or something like that |
| [08:39:03] | justinh: | I'd be all for throwing so many resources to catch people if the sentences they got were realistic. Like death or something |
| [08:39:32] | justinh: | been burgled & had my car stolen once. Death's too good for em |
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| [08:39:58] | justinh: | you europeans can be all laid back & say "chill out, it's only STUFF" but I want my pound of flesh |
| [08:40:26] | Beirdo: | I had about $2k worth of camera equipment stolen from my (well my dad's) vehicle |
| [08:40:42] | Beirdo: | smash & grab... bastards. |
| [08:40:52] | justinh: | oh nice. now this crappy DVR product is in the reboot cycle of death |
| [08:40:59] | justinh: | spin. I forgot the spin part |
| [08:41:35] | justinh: | this is the one where they found SATA wasn't working properly (shouldn't have used SiL) so they went USB-SATA |
| [08:41:40] | Beirdo: | it's only stuff, but there is definitely a big feeling of being violated |
| [08:41:47] | dekarl: | but then... what do you do to people who steal your retirement provision via financial tricks (or just steal by violating public contracts and the penalty for nonfulfillment not being applied)... kill them twice? |
| [08:42:00] | justinh: | Beirdo: different level of emotion when it's yer house |
| [08:42:03] | Beirdo: | no, vote them out of office |
| [08:42:20] | Beirdo: | justinh: I can believe it. Even more violated. |
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| [08:43:02] | justinh: | it's unreal, and when the police come with forensics gear & say they're not going to bother trying to take fingerprints from door handles etc... |
| [08:43:13] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [08:44:01] | justinh: | it's so variable. somebody I work with had their car stolen, and they got it back. found a cig. butt in the ashtray, police collected it & got the perp via DNA |
| [08:44:42] | dekarl is now known as dekarl-off-to-wo | |
| [08:51:06] | justinh: | Oo nice. Just got an email about the NVS2310 |
| [08:51:51] | justinh: | which isn't even out on the internet yet. heh |
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| [08:56:25] | justinh: | Oh Josu Lazkano just DIE |
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| [09:03:39] | justinh: | Yeah that's really useful. "No images recorded for > 1 minute... REBOOT" |
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| [09:12:32] | justinh: | "Time since last reset |
| [09:12:34] | justinh: | 79 Seconds" |
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| [09:12:40] | justinh: | I'm WINNING!!! |
| [09:12:59] | justinh: | Or not. LOL |
| [09:13:07] | justinh: | it just rebooted. Stupid crap |
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| [09:14:09] | justinh: | so it looks like if you set the unit to never record, it still reboots if images haven't been recorded for over a minute. yeah that's good programming |
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| [09:46:42] | justinh: | aha. it keeps resetting because camera inputs are enabled by default but if nothing is connected to them it can't record images from them. if this happens for more than a minute it reboots |
| [09:47:08] | justinh: | which unfortunately isn't enough time to configure the unit to tell it the unused camera inputs aren't connected to anything |
| [09:47:21] | justinh: | sheer retarded thinking |
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| [09:52:53] | Beirdo: | BLAH |
| [09:53:20] | Beirdo: | my reworked OpenCL kernel... no compilee |
| [09:53:51] | Beirdo: | can't read AND write to the same image in the same kernel |
| [09:53:56] | Beirdo: | well screw you! |
| [09:54:20] | Beirdo: | I'll have to do the first pass into local memory. |
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| [10:03:06] | Beirdo: | although that will require extra calculations. crap |
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| [10:58:06] | justinh: | :-O Zbox Nano costs HOW MUCH? |
| [10:59:01] | justinh: | like a mac mini, but looks like ass |
| [11:00:39] | Beirdo: | complete with wrinked sphincter? |
| [11:03:21] | justinh: | complete with loads of pointless ports on the front panel |
| [11:03:32] | justinh: | and what looks like a USB cup warmer on the top of the case |
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| [11:05:33] | dekarl-too: | that's why you mount it behind the tv :) |
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| [11:06:00] | Beirdo: | I need to fix this blasted dump routine to make ppm or something I can view. |
| [11:06:20] | Beirdo: | which thankfully... is easy |
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| [11:22:12] | justinh: | bloody hell. the feature request section of the wiki makes for soul-destroying reading |
| [11:22:24] | justinh: | why do we even have them? |
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| [11:23:11] | justinh: | "Perform OCR on DVB subtitles and store the resultant text somewhere (with the recording, named .txt?) and provide an interface to search for quotes. " |
| [11:23:31] | justinh: | I know a guy who's gonna pay somebody big money to make a box do that |
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| [11:26:56] | Beirdo: | dangit! |
| [11:27:11] | Beirdo: | the wavelet... didn't work. |
| [11:27:17] | Beirdo: | wonder what I buggered up |
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| [13:43:55] | justinh: | wahahaha. gigabit ethernet my ARSE. 200KB/sec |
| [13:44:21] | justinh: | the USB disks are slowing it down, methinks |
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| [14:02:35] | iamlindoro: | OMFG Farscape is out on Blu-ray |
| [14:07:19] | ** wagnerrp prods iamlindoro to remove the file browse menu entry ** | |
| [14:08:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Every time I try someone on the dev team flips out and insists they need it for "testing" |
| [14:25:19] | ** jams uses file browse like 70% of the time. ** | |
| [14:25:26] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [14:25:50] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [14:29:42] | jams: | Just alot easier to use, throw a video in a dir and go. Home footage will not have a successful metadata lookup so it's a waste of time. |
| [14:30:20] | wagnerrp: | a handful of videos doesnt take long to 'scan for changes' |
| [14:30:32] | jams: | sometimes not even for sure I want to keep the video, so then if I don't want it it's another rescan to remove it |
| [14:31:42] | wagnerrp: | one of the mythbuntu guys rigged up a file monitor that automatically adds new videos when placed in the specified directory |
| [14:32:06] | jams: | your right it doesn't take long, but it's also a step that doesn't add value. |
| [14:33:55] | wagnerrp: | jams: the issue is that file browse mode comes with a lot of consequences, and somehow, users keep managing to get themselves into file browse mode without their knowing, and then complain about those consequences |
| [14:34:04] | jams: | it doesn't add value for my case, I'm not saying that it's pointless in general. |
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| [15:13:00] | dekarl-too: | iamlindoro: if I wanted to add MXML files to accompany my home video, do I just put one universal metadata item into a file and that's it? Jams usecase got me to look at the wiki, and it's not really explicit about that. |
| [15:13:53] | iamlindoro: | dekarl-too: It's been a few months since I wrote it, but yeah, though I think the <item> needs to be encases in a <metadata> tag |
| [15:13:59] | iamlindoro: | er encased |
| [15:14:19] | dekarl-too: | that would match http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format perfectly. |
| [15:14:19] | iamlindoro: | and then same prefix, with an mxml suffix |
| [15:14:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: one non-pl email address got through |
| [15:14:43] | iamlindoro: | yeah-- to the grabber it needs to essentially look like a metadata grabber return, since it's the same parsing code |
| [15:14:59] | wagnerrp: | im looking up on how to log stuff in mediawiki just to see what all is getting blocked |
| [15:15:15] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: hopefully he doesn't clue in |
| [15:15:39] | wagnerrp: | he hasnt clued in that ive been blocking every 14-character account for the past month |
| [15:15:56] | iamlindoro: | manually, though, right? |
| [15:16:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [15:16:14] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: you think it's not a bot? |
| [15:16:39] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [15:16:48] | wagnerrp: | id like to think a bot would be more functional and less stupid |
| [15:16:56] | iamlindoro: | If it's a bot, it's smart enough to do captcha |
| [15:18:59] | ** iamlindoro is a little sad that all the new metadata functionality doesn't make skd5aner's "Key New Features" list, but windows build script does ;) ** | |
| [15:19:12] | iamlindoro: | And mythmessage does |
| [15:19:34] | wagnerrp: | what? that last one doesnt even exist |
| [15:19:50] | iamlindoro: | sure it does |
| [15:20:02] | wagnerrp: | didnt it get removed when sucked into mythutil? |
| [15:20:16] | iamlindoro: | hmm, shows as still building as of last night |
| [15:20:47] | iamlindoro: | IMO even having a mythutil option for it is dumb |
| [15:20:58] | iamlindoro: | it's accessible in both the FE and BE HTTP APIs |
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| [16:18:03] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, We've created the file monitor, but we've never implemented it |
| [16:18:30] | sid3windr: | what is the difference between creating it and implementing it? |
| [16:18:40] | sid3windr: | in the context of computer software |
| [16:18:55] | sid3windr: | if you created it, it exists, therfore it is implemented, no? :P |
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| [16:19:12] | ** sid3windr shuts up now, been having a useless discussion in another channel and it seems to cross over here =) ** | |
| [16:23:45] | wagnerrp: | come on lousy mediawiki, why wont you log |
| [16:23:45] | iamlindoro: | gregL: You're the greg @ rr.com, right? |
| [16:24:56] | iamlindoro: | gregL: If so, Raymond isn't saying you're using the wrong view (Gallery, Browse, List/Tree), he's saying you have "File Browse Mode" enabled, which is also enableable/disableable from the same menus, but is separate from the themed view type |
| [16:25:46] | wagnerrp: | file browse mode meaning it literally scans the filesystem each time you open mythvideo, which is why they dont get merged |
| [16:25:48] | iamlindoro: | It's the mode which makes MythVideo into a "dumb" file browser instead of building the trees as it wishes to (via metadata) and thus it has no notion of what should be merged, because it can't compare the metadata-- it just knows to show you three filesystems |
| [16:28:58] | gregL: | iamlindoro, Yes,sorry I was afk...Ok thanks for the clarification.. I will check that out... |
| [16:29:31] | sphery: | file browse mode neads to die |
| [16:29:57] | sphery: | seems it's about 90% of mythvideo problems/bugs/complaints, anymore |
| [16:30:22] | ** iamlindoro has tried :( ** | |
| [16:30:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the voice of reason on the remote mythtranscoding thread |
| [16:30:36] | ** iamlindoro knows what effect it has on his baby better than anyone ** | |
| [16:30:42] | sphery: | yep |
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| [17:01:05] | squidly: | Anyone having issues with getting CC from a hdhomerunprime? |
| [17:01:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro, I haven't removed all the things integrated into mythutil yet. just let that bake for a while with the deprecated warnings. |
| [17:06:06] | iamlindoro: | squidly: nope, no issues, works perfectly for me when CC is present |
| [17:06:09] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Makes sense |
| [17:07:05] | iamlindoro: | squidly: In fact, it's impossible for a Prime to have any effect on Close Captioning-- you're just getting a raw stream… if the CC is there and myth knows how to interpret it, it'll work |
| [17:08:57] | squidly: | iamlindoro: ok then something is busted on my system then... CC is garbled badly.. on live tv and recoarding. |
| [17:09:32] | iamlindoro: | squidly: That could be a) a signal issue, or b) you running .24, which lacks many of the CC improvements present in master, and which will be in .25 |
| [17:09:50] | squidly: | iamlindoro: yea.. I'm running .24 fixes IIRC |
| [17:09:52] | iamlindoro: | Would need more info on what "garbled" entails to know more |
| [17:10:34] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I'm not in front of it right now or I would tell you.. but it's not clear.. it just seems that it's a random string of characters |
| [17:10:51] | iamlindoro: | Could also be that you've set the wrong CC character set |
| [17:11:01] | iamlindoro: | /locale |
| [17:11:15] | squidly: | in my backend? |
| [17:11:18] | squidly: | or my frontend? |
| [17:11:55] | iamlindoro: | frontend |
| [17:12:20] | squidly: | ok that could be. (I will check it tonight when I get home then) :D |
| [17:14:39] | squidly: | When I get home I will take a couple of screen shots. |
| [17:14:56] | squidly: | where should I look for the locale the os or somewhere in the frontend config? |
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| [17:39:15] | squidly: | on it was the NIC driver.. Ubuntu putin the wrong drivers and was making my card use the incorrect driver |
| [17:40:08] | squidly: | Wrong window |
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| [17:40:27] | jedix: | hey |
| [17:40:50] | jedix: | is there a way to dump files -> metadata? |
| [17:41:04] | jedix: | like, what numbered file points ot what metadata |
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| [17:41:28] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [17:41:31] | jst_: | Does anyone here use Myth on a tablet? |
| [17:41:43] | jedix: | wagnerrp: how? |
| [17:41:58] | ** jedix is hoping for a command that doens't involve sql ** | |
| [17:42:00] | wagnerrp: | jst_: tablet... like an android or ipad? |
| [17:42:22] | wagnerrp: | jedix: bigger question is what you intend to do with that |
| [17:42:44] | jst_: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [17:42:45] | wagnerrp: | you can do that, but if youre subsequently going to use that information, there are better ways of going about getting it than going through a file or stdout intermediary |
| [17:42:55] | wagnerrp: | jst_: mythtv will not run on android or ios |
| [17:43:52] | wagnerrp: | jedix: i.e. you can hit the services API for xml/json data, or pull data from the backend protocol |
| [17:44:27] | wagnerrp: | and not have to fiddle about with processing some text intended for human use |
| [17:46:43] | jedix: | wagnerrp: check if I recorded a show from work |
| [17:46:55] | wagnerrp: | cant you use mythweb for that? |
| [17:47:07] | jedix: | I don't have mythweb accessable externally |
| [17:47:21] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
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| [17:47:56] | jedix: | because I don't want some random person to set recordings, etc |
| [17:48:09] | wagnerrp: | so follow the directions for adding a digest password |
| [17:48:17] | jedix: | wagnerrp: I also plan to move edited videos to an archive directory |
| [17:48:36] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py |
| [17:49:00] | jedix: | I use xbmc to play back recordings, and I'd like to move them once they are encoded |
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| [17:53:03] | jedix: | I just used lynx with the mythweb thing |
| [17:53:08] | jedix: | I am missing one ep |
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| [17:53:10] | jedix: | damn. |
| [17:53:24] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythweb#MythWeb_pa . . . thentication |
| [17:54:01] | jedix: | it doesnt look like the mythvidexport changes the filename to something sane |
| [17:54:15] | wagnerrp: | it changes the filename to whatever you want it to change to |
| [17:54:59] | wagnerrp: | it uses the same formatting syntax as mythlink.pl |
| [17:55:39] | wagnerrp: | you write up a formatting string with words like '%TITLE%' or '%SUBTITLE%', and it populates those with metadata pulled from thetvdb.com and themoviedb.org |
| [17:55:53] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would want to bother transcoding though |
| [17:56:07] | jedix: | yeah, you mentioned a few days ago |
| [17:56:18] | jedix: | `transocoding` is now `cutting commercials` |
| [17:56:26] | jedix: | so lossless transcoding |
| [17:56:40] | wagnerrp: | cutting commercials really isnt transcoding, even though its performed by mythtranscode |
| [17:56:57] | jedix: | yeah |
| [17:58:45] | jedix: | my plan is to cut the commercials, rename to %TITLE%-S?E?, then move to %TITLE%/SEASON?/file |
| [18:00:35] | wagnerrp: | then have mythvidexport use the formatting string "%TITLE%/Season %SEASON%/%TITLE%-S%SEASON%E%EPISODEPAD%" |
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| [18:01:40] | jedix: | sounds good. |
| [18:01:54] | jedix: | I know you told me before, but what is the key to import the cut list to the editor? |
| [18:02:01] | wagnerrp: | z |
| [18:02:42] | jedix: | thanks. |
| [18:03:01] | jedix: | I'm making a todo txt file |
| [18:03:18] | jedix: | does mythvideoexport come in a package of something? |
| [18:03:34] | wagnerrp: | its sitting right there on that page |
| [18:03:52] | wagnerrp: | select the text, copy it, paste it into some file, and give it execute rights |
| [18:04:05] | jedix: | so i pull it down and put it as job 0 or something in the jobs in mythtv-setup? |
| [18:04:13] | wagnerrp: | as one of the user jobs, yes |
| [18:04:27] | jedix: | how do I make a user job execute on a certain file? |
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| [18:04:51] | wagnerrp: | select it in 'watch recordings', go to job options, select it from the list |
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| [18:05:20] | jedix: | thanks |
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| [21:00:15] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: remember – that list is only up to date as of July 18... so LOTS of stuff isn't properly reflected |
| [21:01:27] | skd5aner: | I expect the list of major changes/additions to drastically change as I attempt to catch up – I did for the first time yesterday in nearly 2 months... life has really thrown a lot of curveballs my way lately |
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| [21:02:15] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: But the functionality is pre-July :) |
| [21:04:41] | skd5aner: | I'll try to reconcile – I know it's been a major project for you this cycle and very impactful to the user experience |
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| [21:05:59] | skd5aner: | A lot of it was "behind the scenes" type of work and although I can't recall all the specifics, I wasn't quite ready to add it to the list until I was able to see the bigger picture and impact of all your changes on the whole – If I recall, I was just letting it play out... |
| [21:06:16] | wagnerrp: | impactfully bad! |
| [21:06:19] | skd5aner: | the majority of things on that list were basically "completed" changes – not necessarily work-in-process stuff |
| [21:06:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean jesus christ, the thing cant event parse out awkward episode numbers and incorrect season numbers from improperly generated subtitles! |
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| [21:07:02] | wagnerrp: | what good is it?!?!?! |
| [21:07:20] | ** wagnerrp hides ** | |
| [21:16:38] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i see your farscape, and raise you one man with a boomstick, and an airship, and a rocket train, and mystical gold balls... http://www.wbshop.com/Adventures-of-Brisco-Co . . . ault,pd.html |
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| [21:49:05] | sphery: | I'm wondering if NUV 2.0 uses JavaScript on the client side to pre-format the video for playback each time I try to view it--you know, like all that wonderful Web 2.0 stuff. |
| [21:51:40] | sphery: | and maybe it allows me to play farmville, too |
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| [21:56:29] | iamlindoro: | that's jsnuv |
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| [22:02:52] | jhp: | Hi everyone. Was here yesterday with some recording problems using the Freebox recorder. The final idea was that it might be a network related problem. Have monitored the network on the multicast network by doing a ping every minute to the gateway on that network, and have not seen a missed ping. |
| [22:03:49] | jhp: | But still, at least half of the recordings failed. It looks like the multicast subscribe request exits to the network, but the data doesn't start flowing. As if the request is lost somewhere. |
| [22:04:28] | jhp: | Is their a way to detect this in the Freebox recorder and retry the subscribe until it succeeds? |
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| [22:51:38] | iamlindoro: | jhp: The Freebox recorder is all but abandoned, It's not receiving new features or attention of any kind from devs-- you're pretty much on your own with it, and any problems you encounter will probably require you to write your own patches |
| [22:52:05] | iamlindoro: | (I'm not happy it's this way, but it's basically the truth-- not a single Myth dev is capable of testing or using the Freebox recorder) |
| [22:55:59] | trumee: | This page suggests that with sky settop box once can receive more FTA channels compared to freesat, http://www.sky.com/shop/freesat/home/why-choose-freesat/ Is that true? |
| [22:56:28] | trumee: | Will i be able to access all FTA channels if i get a dvb-s2 card? |
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| [22:57:46] | iamlindoro: | If you need a Sky box to access them, they're not FTA |
| [22:58:21] | trumee: | right, guess the small print at the bottom seems to suggest that. false marketing i guess. |
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| [23:03:03] | jhp: | iamlindoro: That is a pitty |
| [23:03:34] | iamlindoro: | Someone is welcome to take ownership and start improving it again ;) |
| [23:03:46] | jhp: | I understand. |
| [23:04:26] | jhp: | The problem is that I'm not that much of a developer. I stay with sysadmin work. |
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| [23:06:51] | iamlindoro: | Learning is not impossible |
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| [23:09:37] | jhp: | i know |
| [23:10:10] | jhp: | And if I put myself to it, I know I can because until 15 years ago I did a lot of programming. |
| [23:10:47] | jhp: | It's just that I have no time left. |
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| [23:27:03] | trumee: | I am in the market for a new tv. Is there any internet enabled tv which is hackable? |
| [23:27:55] | trumee: | atm i am leaning towards Sony 40CX523 due to lower cost. But sony smart tv system is pretty closed as you would expect |
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