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Wednesday, November 16th, 2011, 00:07 UTC

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\PiLgRiM\:

can a frontend cause livetv to fail on the backend?

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\PiLgRiM\:

i'm trying to figure out if i'm having a frontend or a network issue with a HDHR Prime I just added

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, the first freetard responds

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wagnerrp:

are multi-LNB dishes expensive?

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wagnerrp:

i know i see 3 and 4 receiver dishes all over the place around here

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sphery:

but apps developed by <other people> just want to be free!

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iamlindoro:

It had to happen

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iamlindoro:

Truthfully, nothing makes me more likely to make it a couple bucks than righteous indignation

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wagnerrp:

just curious, in regards to... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Feature_Wish . . . p;rcid=55044

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iamlindoro:

The truth is a) I've written 50%+ of the API methods

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iamlindoro:

b) The API is that much more developed because I've written what I neede for this app

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iamlindoro:

c) I bought the hardware and dev license specificalyl so I could share it with others

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iamlindoro:

d) I only said I wanted to offset those costs, not get rich\

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iamlindoro:

I intend to stay out of it and see which way the users fall on this one-- should be fun

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sphery:

e) if you do, by accident, get rich, you plan to pass all the extra money on to me

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iamlindoro:

naturally

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iamlindoro:

f) I also wrote all the API docs so far so that others could do their worst

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sphery:

I'm finally reading that thread (which has been unread so that I can get to it, eventually--but this sounds like a good time to catch up)

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johngalt:

can someone help get mythtv installed on debian? I seem to have found dependency hell...

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iamlindoro:

Isn't there an apt for that?

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** iamlindoro high-fives himself **

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sphery:

hehe, nice

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, last I did it, which was some time ago, it was only a matter of adding debian-multimedia and apt-get installing mythtv

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sphery:

other option is http://mythbuntu.org

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iamlindoro:

will mythbuntu repos work on debian?

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sphery:

where, if you succeed in adding all the (license|patent)-(questionable|unfriendly) things that Debian explicitly excludes due to philosophical reasons into your Debian installation and then configure it for MythTV, you'll basically have just turned Debian into Mythbuntu

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sphery:

i.e. if you're not into the philosophy, why run Debian

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sphery:

that wasn't saying to use mythbuntu repos on debian--it was saying, "Why not just run Mythbuntu?"

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iamlindoro:

aye

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johngalt:

yes and apt works datn well, but in this case I'm seeing unresolved dependancies that are presently not being resolved

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iamlindoro:

anyhoo, we're not really equipped to deal with packager issues-- getting in touch with someone from debian-multimedia is likely to be more productive

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sphery:

definitely

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iamlindoro:

We can sometimes help with commonly used distros (Fedora, Mythbuntu, Ubuntu) but for debian, where we generally try to encourage people to use another distro, you will probably come up empty here

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johngalt:

yea, more looking where to ask at this point, and thanks for the pointers to mythbuntu

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johngalt:

not into philosophy but just got started that way and kinda nice the number of packages not available anywhere else

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johngalt:

any idea what it might take to get a wintv dvr usb2 working under mythbuntu.... or would I expect it to just work?

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sphery:

yeah, Debian isn't a bad distro--but to make MythTV work, you have to bend/break all its dogma, at which point, I'd argue that choosing a Debian-based distro specifically created for getting a MythTV box up and running is a much more efficient approach

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wagnerrp:

thats old enough, it should "just work"

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wagnerrp:

assuming its not aged so far out of use that it has rotted

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sphery:

that way, it's familiar enough that you can administer it along with your non-MythTV Debian boxes, but you don't waste time trying to bend Debian to your will

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sphery:

anyway, I'm actually impressed... I held off reading that thread assuming that I'd need to read it on a day after many hours of meditation lowered my blood pressure, but it was actually a generally civil thread

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sphery:

and rather than feeling incensed, I just feel hungry right now

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sphery:

(unrelated to the thread :)

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iamlindoro:

It may become uncivil, just give it time :)

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sphery:

there's always hope

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johngalt:

again thanks guys... I'm pretty much a pragmatist with a job to get done at this point

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sphery:

good luck with it

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** iamlindoro continues to destroy the sanctity of MythTV by adding to the API for his evil $3 app **

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wagnerrp:

paradigm, not sanctity

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sphery:

yeah, $3 is too much, but $0.20 would be fine--just a pair of dimes

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iamlindoro:

Everyone knows traditional software development is between a slave and a master

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high-rez:

Heh. *Finally* three weeks later got my comcast service activated – and the cable card *seemed* to work – except for all of the HD channels.

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high-rez:

Any of you have experience with this ?

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iamlindoro:

What is there to say besides it is not properly activated?

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** wagnerrp puts on his hat and cape **

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wagnerrp:

[[R]]: sphery said you had come across similar segfaults when doing this?

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[[R]]:

i was seeing segfaults early on

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[[R]]:

but i moved where it did the call

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[[R]]:

and dindt see them

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[[R]]:

but i dindt run through the whole jumppoint list

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[[R]]:

i initially was doing the jump earlier, and it made it a nicer transision, but was seeing segs

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wagnerrp:

anyone know off hand what revision the mythbuntu 0.23 packages used?

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[[R]]:

wasn't that a 24rc?

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wagnerrp:

the initial shipped package in 10.04 was an RC

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wagnerrp:

im talking about whatever their last package was before dropping the 0.23 branch

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[[R]]:

"a man tries to pawn his glass eye"

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I really do think we should just ban .pl from the wiki for now

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iamlindoro:

not forever, just a month or something

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[[R]]:

racist!

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wagnerrp:

the last two were kowal@camelot.edu.pl and biuro@twierdza.com.pl

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wagnerrp:

guess i should ban them before they activate...

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iamlindoro:

of course

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iamlindoro:

Sleeper Cell: Mediawiki

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: Indeed. I'm not sure what it was, but basically he changed my device type from "tivo" to "cablecard" and said he was sending a signal and it started to work.

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iamlindoro:

The former was BS, the latter is true

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iamlindoro:

It was sending the hit that fixed it, not any silly "device type," as there's no such thing

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high-rez:

Yeah, I think they input a device type just cause. He actually told me he didn't think the devicde type mattered, other than "I think we charge a bit more if its listed as a tivo".

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[[R]]:

rofl

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high-rez:

(which seemed rather retarded, but I didn't say anything about it : -)

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high-rez:

One thing I learned is that they will not activate a card that they don't own. I had bought my own m-card as it was super cheap, and easier to buy a card than return theirs if I decided I didn't like the service – but they won't activate cards that are not in their database.

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high-rez:

(Even though the card clearly was correct, it even downloaded firmware from their headend)

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iamlindoro:

What in the world possessed you to buy an M-card?

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iamlindoro:

It's widely known that nobody, anywhere, will activate one which they don't provide

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high-rez:

I kinda hate comcast, bad experience in the past (bad experience this time too) and I figured I didn't want to have to return any of their crap if in the 30 day window I decided I didn't want it.

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high-rez:

Though I'm quite certai I'll keep the service. I'm reasonably happy with it.

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high-rez:

The cable service smokes my DSL. I have 20megabit ADSL2 in theory, but the upstream blows. I'm super happy with the prime though so far.

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high-rez:

So yeah, I'll cancel my dish service. I'm certain they'll ask why and I'll explain that the HDHomeRun Prime + CableCard is a super experience for me. And that if they ever get such a device, I'd be happy to reconsider them.

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: I had read on some forum (i may have been drunk at the time?) that it was possible to buy your own mcard and have it activated. And there was a dude on ebay whose sold a ton of them – and had a bunch of positive feedback, so I assumed it worked out for everyone else... It certainly didn't for me. But I'm out $10 on the card, and heck – for 10 bucks, I can use it for target practice. :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well the polack filter is in place

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wagnerrp:

well see if it works in a day or so

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

or if it all becomes .ru

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[[R]]:

WTF, thats an awful thing to say

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** iamlindoro suspects [[R]] is a pierogi eater **

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wagnerrp:

its only blocking new users with a 14 character user name

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[[R]]:

is that some kind of slur? and i've never had one beofre

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[[R]]:

is that some kind of pasta thing?

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iamlindoro:

[[R]]: Heh, it's just a polish food

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iamlindoro:

they're delicious

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[[R]]:

sounds scary

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wagnerrp:

its a favorite of the arquillians

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[[R]]:

HAHA

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[[R]]:

tahts right, it was on men in black

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wagnerrp:

anyway, it blocks any .pl email with a 14 character user name

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wagnerrp:

so theres about 10% of them using .com domains that will still come through

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wagnerrp:

if thats not sufficient, i can add an IP filter into it as well

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The funny thing is, it takes *work* to get the same number of characters every time

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wagnerrp:

i know, i dont get it

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iamlindoro:

Like, more work than just randomly matching together a DB of first and last names

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wagnerrp:

well... not much work

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iamlindoro:

unless it's a character array of [10] that it fills every time

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MythLogBot:

SVN 10: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8dac7862

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

he randomly matches together a DB of first names and last names

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wagnerrp:

and then either truncates it to 14 characters

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wagnerrp:

wraps the first name around to hit 14 characters

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wagnerrp:

or pads it with gibberish

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iamlindoro:

yeah, but the point is it takes more work than just doing the first step

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iamlindoro:

but hey, if he wants to leave a big greazy fingerprint, I'm all for it

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high-rez:

Well hot damn. The cablecard works great. Got an original HDHR for the unencrypted ATSC channels over the cable (i have an antenna, but it fades sometimes in the rain), the hdhr3-cc for my cable channels, and just need to integrate my DVB-S card for my wife's FTA international channels on 97w – and I'll be set :D

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laga:

high-rez: congratd

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laga:

s

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high-rez:

Super excited. The prime is awesome.

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high-rez:

:D

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high-rez:

laga: thx :D

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wagnerrp:

ugh... user complaining about issues with the metadata grabbers, with problems i cant comprehend

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wagnerrp:

turns out hes using a 4.5yr old distro with Python 2.4

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wagnerrp:

i thought we were done with all those problems

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iamlindoro:

waaa waaaaaaaa

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iamlindoro:

This on mythtvtalk?

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iamlindoro:

(which appears to have a DB error currently)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, centos 5 user

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wagnerrp:

"I was able to get the metadata info working following this link http://www.digipedia.pl/usenet/thread/19235/11904/. It's kind of a pain but it did work and you will have to run the script manually from within mythfrontend for each DVD file. I did this on Centos 5.5 kernal 2.6.18–194."

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iamlindoro:

heh, 2.6.18

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iamlindoro:

2006?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, yeah, 2006

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wagnerrp:

rhel 5 was released in march 2007, and the package base has been static since then

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iamlindoro:

yeah, but the kernel was 2006

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iamlindoro:

though I guess they backport a ton to those kernels

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iamlindoro:

freakin' crazy people

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wagnerrp:

just security stuff i imagine, perhaps some network drivers

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wagnerrp:

certainly nothing from linuxtv

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dekarl:

ohh, and I finally found out what you get for updating to oneirc, it's... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ministat :)

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justinh:

God, I do wish Adobe apps would get the hang of redrawing the screen

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justinh:

scroll too fast in tweetdeck & whole columns become a jumble

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justinh:

but you'd think that switching to a different window & then back would fix it.. oh no. Stupid Adobe crap

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justinh:

Adobe Air – you suck!

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wagnerrp:

s/Air//

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[[R]]:

lol

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justinh:

if you thought the text rendering in Qt left something to be desired, you ain't seen Air apps

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justinh:

lines of text done in a nice font should lie on a straight line, not a wobbly one. Dolts

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wagnerrp:

perhaps they were concentrating on other kinds of lines

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justinh:

rah

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sphery:

not sure whether to consider the comment, "I tried version 0.25 a month or two ago since it has permanent delay adjustment, but the VDPAU didn't work." annoying because there's no possible way that VDPAU in master is broken and no one has noticed it or to consider it useful as a means of furthering the "people who want stable DVR's shouldn't be running unstable code" idea that too many users forget

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wagnerrp:

sphery: necrobump!

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sphery:

heh, finally catching up on my todos

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sphery:

though I should be catching up on my sleep, right now\

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justinh:

heh. that freetard bloke

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justinh:

tempting to counter his post with "I find the open source world full of 'Here a FREE app. It looks like crap & almost works"

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dekarl:

people are funny... they buy a remote (called iPad) that costs 400–700 euro but complain when the App to command their media center costs more then 2 bucks... looks like it's ok for apple and the Hifi industry to skim the market, but the people who offer the piece in between should just be slaves.. (maybe they should just get an ipod instead and put the 200 euro savings into the mythtv beer fund)

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justinh:

I've just about given up on apps on my droid phone. the free ones generally suck

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justinh:

they either look like crap, don't work properly or a mixture of both

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sphery:

dekarl: and these same people are forgetting that for a $3 app, Apple is skimming $1 off the top, so the dev only gets $2

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justinh:

and the same guy is forgetting that mythtv is GPL

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justinh:

which says that anybody can do whatever they want with it, just about.. with the intent of making money out of it

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dekarl:

justinh: hmm, i have some good apps on the android over here.. like osm tracker/offline satnav, carsharing app (paid for with renting fees methinks), musicbrainz app, barcode scanner and upnplay

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sphery:

justinh: or they work great when you first get them, then they stop working because of changes to services/sites/... and then the author loses interest, so you have a useless app

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dekarl:

didnt find a video player, so no mythtv recordings on the loo :(

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justinh:

the free apps written by JustSomeRandomGuy tend to be ok

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justinh:

I installed Accuweather & it turned my phone into a laggy brick

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justinh:

I use Ndrive, which was free – but had to buy a map for a tenner or so

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sphery:

but when the brick got wet, you knew that it was raining!

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dekarl:

thats the ones I like best... paying to some obscure company for "life time service" and getting it pulled after some months because it didn't work out :)

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justinh:

I tried poweramp – liked it but I CBA to go through the whole payment process for it

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sphery:

if it didn't make your phone laggy, you would have been so interested in whatever it was displaying on screen to notice the drops of rain on it

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dekarl:

I'll just wait for the videolan player to hit the market now

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sphery:

dekarl: hehe, yeah, "lifetime" is such a meaningless phrase in purchases, anymore

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justinh:

last year I installed a bus timetable app which cost money – and promptly got my money back. the stupid thing could only show me where I could go from where I currently was – not where & when I could get a bus to somewhere I wanted to go

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justinh:

hardly anybody would find that kind of information useful

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justinh:

hey, let's get on a bus today – oh I dunno, any old bus.

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dekarl:

would be nice if them got a base app to customize... https://github.com/openplans/OpenTripPlanner/wiki/ "I'm here with my bike, it's raining and I want to get home quick"

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sphery:

but everyone knows it's not the destination, it's the journey

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dekarl:

I wouldn't try to get there from here if I were you!

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justinh:

I was out in town last year & planned to get the bus home – but which bus, and from where? Buses to where I live only go from one part of town – but I didn't know that

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justinh:

the travel company websites have a journey planner thing – but it has no API

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justinh:

and I dunno if you've ever tried to use 3G mobile data in a city – it's next to frickin useless it's so slow

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justinh:

I briefly considered writing an app to use their site & just scrape it but guess what? Yup. T&Cs forbade it

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dekarl:

hmm works well on my home<->work corridor (with a big black hole near the fair, don't ask me why... it's the route central station <-> fair, you'd expect that to have good service)

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dekarl:

justinh: they don't publish their schedule in googletransit format?

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justinh:

I dunno if that's come to the UK yet

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** dekarl is not talking about the current delay predictions due to the wrong kind of snow ;) **

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dekarl:

with all the open data that's going on over at UK one would think it should be coming sooner or later

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justinh:

bah. London. Scotland. East Anglia... East Midlands

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justinh:

the UK travel APIs are only about start points anyway

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justinh:

not destinations :-\

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justinh:

it's idiotic & overlooks the fact that some people hardly ever get buses – they *might* take a bus more often if they knew where they could

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dekarl:

hmm, maybe offer them to build converters for their custom data model to googles free of charge or something. after all it must be good if it's free, right?

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justinh:

I don't care so long as it works

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justinh:

if the travel organisations have pages on a site where you can plan a journey they could expose that to an API

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justinh:

not this lame "show me where I can go from here" crap

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dekarl:

naa, that would be service oriented and web2.0... fishy new age stuff

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dekarl:

maybe it's time to offer them to get http://opentripplanner.com/ in exchange for a paid position setting it up and giving it the tender and care it deserves? (do you have transport association over in the UK?)

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justinh:

dekarl-off-to-wo: regional ones. no national one

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dekarl-off-to-wo:

ahh, similar to DE then

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justinh:

they have an API which is common to all of them but it's still all about the start point not destinations

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justinh:

there's even a national travel website journey planner – which works great – but as yet NO mobile app

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justinh:

(because the API doesn't allow that kind of search). It's STUPID

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dekarl-off-to-wo:

thats one of the reasons that german railways makes quite some cash just selling tickets for train rides across europe... you can search and buy (more or less) easily...

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justinh:

yeah they don't like to make it easy here

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justinh:

but the public transport journey planner site is brilliant – why can't it be an app too?

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justinh:

you just put in a destination & start point, choose a transportation method & off you go

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justinh:

look at this.. it's a joke http://www.transportdirect.info/Web2/TDOnTheM . . . TheMove.aspx

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justinh:

why they can't just plug http://www.transportdirect.info/Web2/JourneyP . . . cacheparam=1 into an API I don't know

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justinh:

"Just enter your service number, the direction you\u2019re traveling and your stop. The app then brings back the times the service is scheduled to pass you.". WTF use is that? I don't take buses

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justinh:

ha-ha. SATA didn't work properly so now we're using USB-SATA

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justinh:

gah. stupid frigging dhcp server here is giving out dupes again

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MrPaco:

good morning everyone

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MrPaco:

i`m testing plugplayer on my ipad for wathc mythtv, but i cant play nothing, anyone have tested this program? maybe the problem is on this ios version

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justinh:

presumably ipads can only play certain formats & that's what the problem is

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justinh:

so unless all your stuff is in a format the ipad can play, you won't be able to play nuffink

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justinh:

seems it only supports "Video: .mov, .mp4, .mpv, .3gp – using either H.264 Baseline Profile Level 3.0 video (no b-frames) or MPEG-4 Part 2 video Simple Profile"

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justinh:

so if you've got mpeg2 or anything other than mpeg4, no dice!

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MrPaco:

thank you justinh

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MrPaco:

recently read that

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MrPaco:

im learning now how to transcode any program to mp4

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MrPaco:

testing mythexport, but dont is better to use trasncode rules ?

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MrPaco:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Removing_Commercials

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MrPaco:

im reading that but cant find where select this transcode, only mythexport jobs

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justinh:

unless your commercial flagging is 100% reliable you don't want to cut ads from recordings

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justinh:

*automatically

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MrPaco:

sure

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justinh:

and anyway to turn recorded video into a general purpose format (e.g. h.264 or mpeg4 etc) you have to use user jobs – not mythtv's internal transcoder

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CiaranG:

Anyone know much about the integration of MythVideo in 0.25. i.e. just how integrated is it? Can I a) run user jobs on videos, b) edit cut lists on videos, c) take screenshots of videos?

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CiaranG:

Or is it basically just the same, but not actually "a plugin"

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MrPaco:

fuck

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MrPaco:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

CiaranG: consider it the same, except its not a separate plugin

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MrPaco:

justinh im looking for a guide the if i cant use myth trasncoder internal

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justinh:

see the wiki

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MrPaco:

reading my user jobs the command i have set is "mythtranscode"

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MrPaco:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Removing_Commercials

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MrPaco:

this wiki?

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

the wiki. in general

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justinh:

I'm not in the habit of finding links for people

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MrPaco:

sorry justinh

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MrPaco:

but justinh you say to use nuexport or another same as mythnuv2mkv and dont use mythtranscode?

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CiaranG:

wagnerrp: Thanks

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justinh:

no I didn't say to use anything. All I said was you can't use mythtranscode

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wagnerrp:

crap!

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wagnerrp:

i screw up my mail domain filter extension

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wagnerrp:

and the spam just starts flooding in

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justinh:

hohohoho. This stupid new thing doesn't always see the USB-SATA board

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justinh:

I TOLD THEM they should have paid to rent a proper USB analyser to look at the signals

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you ever touch php?

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justinh:

hmm sort of

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justinh:

I hack on wordpress stuff a little bit

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wagnerrp:

you see anything that could cause this to fail?

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/ZeJ077MN

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the missing "?>" at the end?

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wagnerrp:

i bet thats it

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justinh:

yeh that'd do it

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justinh:

fallen into that hole myself

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wagnerrp:

yeah, because its not showing up as an extension

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justinh:

hahaha using the shorter, more directly routed internal USB cable *I* made.. it works. every time

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justinh:

but we can't use that because the case extrusion gets in the way

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justinh:

talking about a 50cm USB cable vs a 15cm one

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justinh:

if the interface is that flaky we shouldn't be using it at all

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wagnerrp:

is there any possibility this would need a server restart to accept the new file?

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justinh:

dunno. I've never had to restart apache to act on php file changes to wordpress stuff

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justinh:

maybe it's different with extensions

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wagnerrp:

well it was working until last night, when i split check_domain into a separate function, and added the polish TLD filter

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justinh:

heh even funnier – the machine is now utterly IObound

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justinh:

wouldn't be surprised if the ecos USB stack is as bad as the SATA

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justinh:

ecos? oops. uCOS

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wagnerrp:

xris: if you wouldnt mind, could you take a look at that pastebin when you wake up?

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wagnerrp:

see if you can spot what i screwed up to cause all those single-use-email-domains to start flooding back in

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justinh:

I know what I'm buying my boss' boss for christmas http://www.play.com/Gadgets/Gadgets/4-/12367193/-/Product.html

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wagnerrp:

lydgate: you havent seemed to ask the question yet, so ill answer it anyway

[15:12:01]

wagnerrp:

on 0.25, you can use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVR_Service#GetUpcomingList

[15:12:24]

wagnerrp:

prior to that, you're going to have to hook into the backend protocol, and query the upcoming list that way

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wagnerrp:

its advised to never touch the database directly unless you absolutely have to

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wagnerrp:

lydgate: what language were you looking to use?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I see we're still at war with Poland

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iamlindoro:

The good news is that seldom goes well for Poland

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wagnerrp:

.com and .biz domains for those two

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iamlindoro:

So, are we convinced that they're manually doing the captchas?

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iamlindoro:

(and responding to the validation?)

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wagnerrp:

would have to grep through the html logs for that one

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wagnerrp:

automated tools would probably be 10–20% success, manual would be 80%+ success

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wagnerrp:

but theyre simply not responding to the validation

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wagnerrp:

the guys using anonymous email services validate, this polish guy doesnt

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wagnerrp:

for example... http://www.mailinator.com/maildir.jsp?email=z . . . ;x=0&y=0

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wagnerrp:

i had been blocking this and other email domains, but somehow i screwed up the filter when adding the other stuff last night

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wagnerrp:

ah! theres the problem

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wagnerrp:

justinh, xris: the function was not pulling in the global $wgFilteredEmailDomains, so the check was faulting out

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justinh:

I'm going to put php hacking on my CV. I wouldn't be lying ;-)

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wagnerrp:

CV... another term for resume?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

curricum vitae

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iamlindoro:

Curriculum Vitae

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justinh:

oops. mistyped that there

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justinh:

I'm tired

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iamlindoro:

No excuses!

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justinh:

how long should it take something to build a filesystem on a 1TB HDD? Cos this thing is taking hours

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justinh:

granted, it's rebooting every 15 minutes because no images have been recorded (duh)

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justinh:

yeah that's how to fix a problem in the recording thread. reboot the machine

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: on the other hand, looking at the logs, im going to say these things may well be automated

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lydgate:

wagnerrp: thanks. I'm using python, version 0.24.1 at the moment

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lydgate:

of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

from MythTV import MythBE

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wagnerrp:

upcoming = MythBE().getUpcoming()

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lydgate:

wagnerrp: looks like it's MythBE().getUpcomingRecordings() on mine but thanks!

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wagnerrp:

erm, yeah... something like that

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lydgate:

I wish I'd known about this before... I just always query through MySQL

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lydgate:

might have to rewrite some apps

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wagnerrp:

you cant query upcoming recordings through mysql

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wagnerrp:

they dont exist in mysql

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lydgate:

right, I found that out today, I meant for other things

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lydgate:

not sure how I missed that MythTV has a python interface. this is brilliant

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dekarl-too:

justinh: shouldnt a 1TB FS take something like 0.5 seconds to create? (maybe it depends on the filesystem)

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justinh:

there's formatting...

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wagnerrp:

maybe now half a second, but no more than 10–20 unless youre initializing the disk

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davide:

wagnerrp: in master, upcoming recordings now partly exist in oldrecorded, but tell anyone. :)

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wagnerrp:

davide: rsWillRecord?

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davide:

yes, it was a result of storing future recordings to figure what was missed if the master backend crashed or hung.

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wagnerrp:

ah

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stevieman:

I need some help sorting out a problem I've created. I added a second media drive so that I could seperate my TV shows from my Movies, Pictures and Music. Previously I had my TV and Movies in a Videos directory, Now I can't do that since I am mounting 2 different drives, one with Movies, Pictures and Music and the other with TV. One Drive is being mounted the /media and the other to /media/TV. If I tell myth that the videos

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stevieman:

directory is in /media I get Movies, Music, Pictures and TV. How can I get things back to normal where I have just Movies and TV showing up the Videos section of Myth?

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wagnerrp:

there is no single 'videos directory'

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wagnerrp:

there is the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

which can hold multiple directores

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wagnerrp:

mount the disks to two different locations, use the same folder structure for each, and mythtv will merge the two

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

Hello, i have ~800recordings. most of them are series like "how i met your mother". all episodes have a correct subtitle. I have recently switched from DVB-T to DVB-S. Now I have different channels and channels name. Now mythTV tries to re-record all episodes. Even if they are still on the harddisk. It does not recognize duplicates any longer...

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

but with the new channels the recognition of duplicates is still working. so it seems as if mythTV uses the channel to compare the episodes...?

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dekarl-too:

What duplicate matching method do you use? And are title, subtile, description really identical?

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

dekarl-too: i have tried all. but normally i let mythTv compare by subtitle

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: ah if only I had noticed the 's' on the end of Video Directories........

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wagnerrp:

stevieman: something like... http://pastebin.com/Cc55aP43

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

dekarl-too: they are identical. I will give an example to pastebin. give me a sec.

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wagnerrp:

then you would add /mnt/disk1/videos and /mnt/disk2/videos both to the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv would merge them so you only see a single TV and Movies

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: that is even one step further than I need to go, but good to know as my system grows

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dekarl-too:

Tobias_Kaminsky: might be an idea to look the the programid, too.

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wagnerrp:

Tobias_Kaminsky: programid overrides the duplicate method

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wagnerrp:

so if both have programids, and both programids are different

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wagnerrp:

it will say theyre different outright, and ignore your specified duplicate matching method

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dekarl-too:

wagnerrp: just thought he might be mythtv self generated ids for one video source and proper ones for the other

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not generate programids

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dekarl-too:

you sure?

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wagnerrp:

and if one or none of the recordings has a programid, it will fall through to the specified matching method

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wagnerrp:

almost positive

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dekarl-too:

Need to check me backend, I thought I had issues with duplicate matching due to serials being flagged as movie with the same title and similar

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wagnerrp:

the episodes may also be incorrectly marked as generic episodes

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wagnerrp:

in which case duplicate matching is turned off

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iamlindoro:

myth will generate programids if none exist IIRC

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dekarl-too:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ser.cpp#L520

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stevieman:

now if only I done it properly the first time, now I am faced with downloading all the meta data again

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dekarl-too:

So having a 2 part movie with "title" and subtitle "part 1" and "part 2" flagged as program_type=movie will nicely be flagged as duplicate :(

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

i am sorry...it seems as all recorded episodes have the format "german subtitle (english subtitle)", whereas the new recording only have the "german subtitle". and of course mythtv thinks that these are different episodes as the subtitle differs.

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Tobias_Kaminsky:

I could delete all (english subtitle) and then mythTV should recognize the duplicate episodes again.

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skd5aner:

Dont know if it's already been brought up, but Boxee is going to sell an ATSC tuner for their box – the "Boxee Live TV stick" as they brand it

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skd5aner:

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/16/boxee-box-live-tv/

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wagnerrp:

seems rather counter-purpose

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skd5aner:

"Some things that the new Live TV stick won’t do is turn the Boxee Box into a DVR. Yet, the company said it’s willing to add support for recording shows via the USB connection if enough people ask for it."

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dekarl-too:

skd5aner: haha, boxee is cool. they should offer the people to add a dockstart as master backend for central storage and we can send all the "mythtv on dockstar" customers over to them :D

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wagnerrp:

dockstar?

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dekarl-too:

hmm, make that Seagate Dockstar

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dekarl-too:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

you mean those crappy media players tied into a removable hard drive?

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wagnerrp:

it runs linux! that means it can run mythtv!

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dekarl-too:

no, I mean those excelent NAS Filers that you just stick a hard disk on and you got a real unix server for 20 bucks (if you're lucky to get one of the cheap ones)

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wagnerrp:

by real unix you mean linux, and by excellent you mean sufficient for low volume use by one or two users

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laga:

it can probably do as much as an unix box 20 years ago

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wagnerrp:

oh certainly! i would even be willing to say 15 years ago, but that doesnt say a whole lot...

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dekarl-too:

wagnerrp: basically yes... And no, adding an SSD via USB for fast swapping does not replace more RAM :)

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sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

real unix server \o/

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wagnerrp:

the internet used to run on hardware of this power! back when there were tens of thousands of websites, and maybe a couple million users

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laga:

then came php

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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squidly:

laga: and perl!

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skd5aner:

actually, no... then came HTML

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

GOPHER FTW!

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squidly:

lol

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wagnerrp:

gopherk yourself

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wagnerrp:

:P

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squidly:

hah

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skd5aner:

I wonder if there's any gopher sites still alive... last time I checked for fun was like 2004–2005

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squidly:

I dont think so.

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skd5aner:

I found a few universities that still had them on, but the last updates on them were from around 98

[17:49:29]

squidly:

heh

[17:49:33]

** wagnerrp wonders if stefan will ever understand "episode 11 of 23 on season 2010" is not a valid episode title **

[17:49:51]

squidly:

wagnerrp: nope

[17:50:41]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I thought my "ball" metaphor was pretty good

[17:50:48]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: by the way, i wrote up some patch yesterday to print a proper command line from those grabber calls

[17:51:04]

wagnerrp:

but when i went to test it, i noticed neither it, nor the original code, was printing anything

[17:51:28]

wagnerrp:

havent bothered to check if the code is completely broken, or something funky with my system

[17:52:54]

iamlindoro:

I get the printout of that logging

[17:53:04]

wagnerrp:

ill have to look into it later then

[17:54:46]

squidly:

anyone ever move their primary backend to another server... how easy was that?

[17:55:09]

wagnerrp:

you change the IP of the master backend in mythtv-setup

[17:55:13]

wagnerrp:

and... youre done!

[17:56:05]

squidly:

wagnerrp: that is fine for the frontends.. but the backend its self is going from one server to another. Is most of the config stored in the database?

[17:56:43]

wagnerrp:

squidly: you misunderstand, the only thing that differentiates the master backend from any of the slave backends is that ip address listed for the master backend

[17:56:58]

wagnerrp:

when a backend starts up, it checks if the master address is its own

[17:57:02]

wagnerrp:

and if so, its the master

[17:57:51]

squidly:

ok. and the tuner cards and sources are all stored in the database correct?

[17:58:07]

wagnerrp:

tuner cards are all stored per-hostname in the database

[17:58:20]

wagnerrp:

but youre going to want to reconfigure all that stuff anyway

[17:58:39]

wagnerrp:

same with storage paths

[17:59:07]

wagnerrp:

but basically, you set up the new backend as a slave backend

[17:59:12]

wagnerrp:

and then just flip that address

[17:59:26]

dekarl-too:

wagnerrp: he's cute... "i can always try to talk to the guys that supplies the Swedish guide data if they can make changes" one of the guys already did that and it's going by the name _se_tvzon instead of _se_swedb ...

[18:00:01]

wagnerrp:

only issues will be pointing all your frontends/backends/etc... at the new database address (if you move that as well)

[18:00:13]

sphery:

so should he be using a different xmltv script?

[18:00:18]

sphery:

(or was he using EIT?)

[18:00:25]

wagnerrp:

and updating the location of your recordings, if you arent keeping the old machine around as a slave backend

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sphery:

squidly: and--I /highly/ recommend--you use the same hostname for the new system as the old

[18:01:46]

sphery:

squidly: if not, you can "rename" a host with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend , but that's a lot of dangerous work for changing a host name

[18:01:54]

wagnerrp:

sphery: that would mean he picks up all those old settings from the old hostname

[18:02:03]

sphery:

yes

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sphery:

if he doesn't pick up the old settings, he needs to explicitly clear the capture cards and storage groups /before/ decommissioning the old system

[18:02:58]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration

[18:03:00]

dekarl-three:

he just needs to change the url from swedb to tvzon, both are running NonameTV, but tvzon tries to supply the subtitles via a tvdb lookup

[18:03:12]

wagnerrp:

ah, i see where youre going

[18:03:19]

dekarl-three:

the grabber is not yet released, but the only difference is the URL anyway

[18:03:24]

wagnerrp:

make sure the old stuff is gone rather than just abandon it

[18:03:43]

sphery:

yeah, just basically saying that there's a lot of extra work just to get a new host name

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sphery:

abandoning old Storage Group directories doesn't actually mean they're not used

[18:04:01]

sphery:

it just means they're used last

[18:04:10]

dekarl-three:

sphery: If he talks about "guys that provide the data" he's likely talking about swedb

[18:04:14]

wagnerrp:

sure it does if its not a master backend

[18:04:23]

sid3windr:

changing the hostname thing via that backend migration page worked wonders for me

[18:04:32]

sphery:

no, all directories in all storage groups on all host names are used

[18:04:39]

sphery:

only Video does it differently

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sphery:

(and only Video requires you to redefine the SG dir lists on every host)

[18:04:55]

wagnerrp:

i thought you said earlier that only the master backend's group are shared among all machines

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sphery:

master backend defines storage grops

[18:05:16]

sphery:

remote backends override sg dir lists

[18:05:28]

sphery:

but there's always a fallback to "any dir in any sg on any host"

[18:05:44]

wagnerrp:

ah, i thought you had said that fallback was only to the master's groups

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sphery:

which is why I still contend that the only proper approach is to define them once on the mbe with the superset of all dirs used on all hosts

[18:06:05]

wagnerrp:

at least thats the behavior i built into the python bindings

[18:06:34]

sphery:

that may be "first" fallback, but it definitely does the "shotgun" fallback eventually

[18:06:40]

sphery:

not sure whether it's a separate step or not

[18:06:54]

dekarl-three:

iamlindoro: not to forget that episode and season numbers differ by country... e.g. body of proof had 13 episodes produced for the first season but was cut of in the US after airing 9 so the other 4 got moved to Season 2, while the rest of the world has them all in seaon 1 :)

[18:07:56]

iamlindoro:

yeah :)

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sphery:

so, is someone going to mention changing the url from swedb to tvzon?

[18:08:37]

sphery:

like someone who knows what's going on? *cough* dekarl-three *cough*

[18:08:38]

sphery:

:)

[18:09:36]

dekarl-three:

I hope I got that last point clear to the guy behing the swedish guide feed.. he has to check for each series/station combination if the numbers match to tvdb before he augments the data...

[18:10:16]

sphery:

you mean each client does that? or it's done once and then downloaded by clients?

[18:10:25]

sphery:

if the former, that's pretty heavyweight

[18:10:43]

sphery:

and it means that the swedish data is terrible quality for not including standard info

[18:11:03]

dekarl-three:

sphery: it's better then the german OTA data

[18:11:18]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you know anything about the plugin loader?

[18:11:23]

dekarl-three:

we only get subtitle for one network via eitfixups

[18:11:26]

sphery:

wow, /me loves his Schedules Direct

[18:11:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: very little... what's up?

[18:12:22]

wagnerrp:

specifically why the plugins are mapped based off 'GetPluginsDir() + kPluginLibPrefix + plugname + kPluginLibSuffix'

[18:12:27]

wagnerrp:

rather than just by plugname

[18:12:33]

squidly:

sphery: thanks!

[18:12:51]

wagnerrp:

basically, i want to enumerate a list of plugins available to use on the command line

[18:12:52]

** dekarl-three falls off his chair... shouldn't have googled it http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,3335,3338 **

[18:12:57]

wagnerrp:

but that list is never actually stored anywhere

[18:13:24]

wagnerrp:

every single method that interfaces with it uses plugname, but then applies that transform before accessing the map

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sphery:

yeah, we just try any lib with the right name in the right dir on startup

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wagnerrp:

im thinking of adding plugname to the MythPlugin class, so i can walk through the instances and build a list

[18:14:54]

sphery:

not sure why they don't use a simpler mapping

[18:17:18]

sphery:

wonder why Google chose an SSID suffix of "_nomap" for opting out of the Google SSID mapping rather than something else, like, "_google_sucks" or "_this_stupid_SSID_is_so_Google_does_not_map_it"

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sphery:

on the bright side, I have a different approach (that should keep Google guessing for years)

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dekarl-three:

one could simply turn off SSID broadcasting, but that would be boring, wouldnt it?

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wagnerrp:

and doesnt mean the SSID isnt discoverable

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trumee:

anybody knows whether freesat channels in UK are on dvb-s or dvb-s2?

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dekarl-too:

trumee: its both, see http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

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trumee:

dekarl-too: thanks

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high-rez:

Do any of you know – are there wireshark dissectors availble for the HDHR Protocol?

[19:37:43]

devinheitmueller:

high-rez: I don't think so. But the protocol is so stupid simple you practically don't need a real dissector.

[19:37:57]

devinheitmueller:

.... also, the libhdhomerun library is LGPL, so you can just look at the source.

[19:38:01]

iamlindoro:

If you were hoping to reverse engineer decryption, however, give up

[19:38:12]

devinheitmueller:

The HDHR protocol doesn't have any encryption.

[19:38:17]

high-rez:

I'm just curious to look at the protocol.

[19:38:29]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I'm referring to streaming to fairplay devices

[19:38:40]

iamlindoro:

er playready

[19:38:41]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, that's not HDHR functionality.

[19:38:51]

devinheitmueller:

Well, technically the HDHR implements it, but it's not their protocol.

[19:38:57]

iamlindoro:

Correct

[19:39:12]

iamlindoro:

I'm just making an assumption based on the desire to inspect the protocol

[19:39:38]

devinheitmueller:

The OCUR protocols are pretty open too (except for the DRM layer).

[19:39:52]

devinheitmueller:

It's all uPNP based.,

[19:40:19]

iamlindoro:

yeah, the DRI doc is available for free

[19:40:31]

devinheitmueller:

correct.

[19:40:43]

iamlindoro:

In fact, it's the basis for Daniel's OCUR recorder code

[19:41:01]

devinheitmueller:

www.cablelabs.com/opencable/.../specs/OC-SP-DRI-I02–060210.pdf

[19:41:20]

devinheitmueller:

Doh. URL mangled.

[19:41:26]

devinheitmueller:

Just google for "DRI protocol upnp"

[19:41:42]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, comes up as the first hit for "DRI protocol" as well...

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wagnerrp:

this guy is really bull-headed

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iamlindoro:

I mean on one hand he's destroying the data... but on the plus side, it'll work for him!

[20:14:21]

wagnerrp:

he cant seem to grasp that his existing data is _bad_, and so any solution he can come up with by which to make his stuff work would break the proper use case, and is a _bad_ solution

[20:14:51]

dekarl-off-to-wo:

sphery: there's something up with the setups... that's why tvzon provides backwards compatible old skool iso-8859–1 encoded xml files

[20:15:02]

wagnerrp:

"all i have to do is feed fallacious data into thetvdb.com!"

[20:15:54]

dekarl-off-to-wo:

don't ask me what it is, the nightly test runs complete successfully for utf-8 and iso-8859–1 on everything from latest debian to the good old lenny stuff

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: won't he be getting the series data with master from yesterday or so? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8ea8f . . . b74c69c51526

[20:18:45]

wagnerrp:

generic series data, yes, but not episode data

[20:19:34]

dekarl:

but he's gonna get nice fanart?

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wagnerrp:

he should, but no snapshots or metadata

[20:20:45]

iamlindoro:

He still hasn't gone in and set the rule inerefs, though

[20:20:53]

iamlindoro:

And I keep telilng him that, over and over and over

[20:21:14]

iamlindoro:

And it's not since yesterday-- yesterday is just fixing a tiny bug that wouldn't have affected him, it was quite rare

[20:21:31]

iamlindoro:

If he had just gone into his rule and picked the correct "House" from the list, he would have had artwork months ago

[20:21:42]

iamlindoro:

I can't tell you why he keeps ignoring it every time I say it :(

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** wagnerrp asks what is white and red and frustrated all over **

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I would say I'm more unread ;)

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skd5aner:

sphery: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4d25199a-105f-11e1- . . . xzz1dtywk65F

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iamlindoro:

!trout skd5aner registration-required

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** MythLogBot slaps skd5aner with a registration-required trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[20:25:13]

skd5aner:

hmmm, see if this gets by it...

[20:25:13]

wizbit:

is it a good idea to put surge protection on coax antenna cable before it goes into a tv card?

[20:25:40]

skd5aner:

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2= . . . feabdc0.html

[20:25:52]

iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

to skd5aner

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wizbit:

i guess the same applies to surge protection on telephone cable for ADSL connection

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devinheitmueller:

Doing such would probably hurt the SNR significantly.

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wagnerrp:

although is that generally a problem on cable lines?

[20:26:46]

iamlindoro:

He's using antenna

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: one last try? https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&hl=en& . . . supply+chain (should be top link)

[20:27:00]

wagnerrp:

oh, antenna cable

[20:27:12]

wagnerrp:

no... just make sure you have a lightning mast up higher

[20:27:16]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: clicking it from the google result seems to work

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wizbit:

:o

[20:27:20]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, doh.

[20:27:45]

wizbit:

belkin surge protectors have telephone and coax protection

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wizbit:

if they degrade the signal, maybe its not a good idea

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wagnerrp:

the only way youre going to get a surge from an antenna is if you get struck by lightning, or someone clamps a battery onto the antenna

[20:28:37]

wagnerrp:

no surge protector you can purchase will protect you from lightning

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: same goes with telephone lines?

[20:29:16]

wagnerrp:

generally you dont own your ADSL modem

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wagnerrp:

so if it gets fried, you have a couple hours of down time before you stop by your telco's offices and get it swapped out

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skd5aner:

could potentially go through the modem though

[20:30:29]

wagnerrp:

potentially

[20:30:30]

skd5aner:

or, happen at 5:01 PM

[20:30:41]

wagnerrp:

not all that likely

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wizbit:

so why do belkin sell surge protectors with telephone and coax protection on them

[20:31:03]

wizbit:

to fool people like me?

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skd5aner:

surges != lightening strikes

[20:31:46]

wizbit:

thats highly unlikely

[20:31:47]

skd5aner:

surges can happen naturally for a ton of different reasons – many not having to do with weather at all

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wagnerrp:

a surge comes from a transformer blowing, causing power to pulse back and forth through the lines

[20:32:02]

wizbit:

skd5aner: even on a roof top antenna?

[20:32:24]

wagnerrp:

or some other very high power/second event that the system cannot handle

[20:32:31]

skd5aner:

well, not in that case

[20:32:52]

wagnerrp:

cable and telephone lines are not going to be pushing significant power levels to have such an event

[20:33:07]

wagnerrp:

so theres not a whole lot for surge protection to work against

[20:33:31]

iamlindoro:

Heh, god bless the swedes

[20:33:40]

iamlindoro:

I do a search for "House" on their TV listings

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iamlindoro:

a the amount of porno vastly outstrips (pun intended) the amount of family programming

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wizbit:

so my tv card will be fine with coax antenna plugged directly into it, as long as i dont get struck by lightening

[20:34:49]

wagnerrp:

correct

[20:35:07]

wagnerrp:

and if you do get struck by lightning, theres nothing available to protect it anyway

[20:36:35]

wagnerrp:

youre talking millions of volts down something designed to take millivolts

[20:37:13]

wagnerrp:

when it has no trouble arcing across your room, a tiny little breaker or fuse in a surge protector wont do a damn thing

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wizbit:

eeek

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wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, the only reason you have to worry about a lightning strike is if your antenna is the tallest thing in proximity

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wizbit:

imagine somebody has dug up my road, they hit the telephone lines with lots of volts, the surge goes through the telephone line and hits my ADSL modem and blows it out

[20:41:01]

wagnerrp:

then you get your modem swapped out by the telco

[20:41:14]

wizbit:

ok

[20:41:28]

wizbit:

my modem will be my own, conneted to a pfsense firewall

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wagnerrp:

then you figure out who dug up the road and trashed the telephone lines, and get them to pay

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wagnerrp:

why have your own modem? does your telco otherwise make you pay for them?

[20:42:39]

wizbit:

the modem supplied by the ISP is not that great

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wagnerrp:

what does it need to do besides sit there in bridge mode?

[20:44:03]

wagnerrp:

if it repeatedly craps out and needs to be reset, complain to the telco, or put it on a remote switch

[20:44:08]

skd5aner:

flag commercials

[20:46:15]

wizbit:

good point, since i got my new tv, a flickering line sometimes appears at the bottom of the screen, it has nothing to do with overscan, as sometimes its not there at all, maybe its a problem with the modeline

[20:46:39]

skd5aner:

vbi/cc data?

[20:46:44]

wagnerrp:

bottom? usually you see that stuff at the top

[20:46:48]

wizbit:

even if i create more overscan, the line stays in the same position

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skd5aner:

although I thought that was at the top

[20:47:10]

wagnerrp:

create more overscan how?

[20:47:20]

wizbit:

stretch the image i mean

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wizbit:

the flickering shows even on the menu

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** wizbit tests another modeline **

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wizbit:

its gone :D lets hope it dont come back

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: is that the stock SuSe background these days?

[21:03:54]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: on the other hand, some people continue to use screenshots from before i was even a Linux user, much less a MythTV one... http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/08/code-wizar . . . dows-legend/

[21:04:33]

dekarl:

yeah, that picture is great.. images.google.com/q=mythtv?ifeellucky :)

[21:05:16]

dekarl:

damn, it was the second match, not the first match. but close enough for me

[21:05:45]

wagnerrp:

i see it as the first one here

[21:05:54]

wagnerrp:

followed by 4:3 mythcenter

[21:05:58]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: I have no idea what backgrounds suse come with... last time I saw a suse background was 2003 or so

[21:06:10]

dekarl:

oh, for me its the other way round

[21:07:49]

wagnerrp:

in fact, im several pages down and have yet to find a modern theme

[21:08:04]

wagnerrp:

oh wait, page 6 is a tuner setup page on terra

[21:09:43]

wagnerrp:

then of course theres this one... my mythtv doesnt look anything like that

[21:09:51]

wagnerrp:

http://weaponsgradecode.com/2010/12/12/mythtv-review/

[21:10:13]

dekarl:

the homepage wants some tlc... when I look at it I can't quickly find and screenshots... Maybe a big fat "Picturez!" button would help ;)

[21:10:47]

dekarl:

the gallery is a least 2 clicks away and you have to read "lots" to find it... hmm, got to look at the sitemap

[21:11:49]

wagnerrp:

well theres the tiny little pictures in About MythTV --> MythTV In Detail

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dekarl:

ahh, www.mythtv.org has no sitemap

[21:13:01]

justinh:

sites shouldn't need a map

[21:13:11]

justinh:

if a site needs a map, you need a new site

[21:13:38]

dekarl:

aren't that the xml files that make your category links appear in the search results? like "here be pictures"

[21:14:14]

dekarl:

justinh: ahh, I'm talking about the machine readable maps, not the ones for direct human consumption

[21:14:20]

justinh:

ah

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jhp:

Hi everyone. I've been using mythtv for a long time, first on analog television and later on my fiber with multicast channels.

[21:19:57]

jhp:

The last always worked fine and I could record up to 4 channels in paralel without problems. I use the Freebox tuner for this.

[21:20:31]

jhp:

I can still tune the channels using vlc, but when I try to record almost all recordings fail and the recorded program has simply 0 bytes.

[21:21:27]

jhp:

When I do a packet capture I notice that after the multicast packet to tune into a channel, the data simply doesn't arrive. Does anyone here know what the problem could be?

[21:21:46]

dekarl:

did you change anything on your side?

[21:21:52]

jhp:

When I tune manually, most of the times it works but sometimes it fails too.

[21:22:11]

jhp:

I don't believe so, but offcourse ......

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dekarl:

"tune manually" as in join the multicast group?

[21:22:38]

jhp:

Go to "Watch TV" in the mythtv menu

[21:23:03]

dekarl:

what does your backend log say when a recording starts?

[21:24:04]

jhp:

Let me check

[21:26:02]

dekarl:

hint, pastebin a bit of it around the interesting point

[21:26:28]

sphery:

skd5aner: I wasn't able to get to it with any of the links...

[21:27:02]

skd5aner:

sphery: not even this one? https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&hl=en& . . . supply+chain

[21:27:20]

sphery:

nope, when I click it it still tells me I need to register

[21:27:54]

sphery:

maybe you and iamlindoro and 8 others were the 10 articles for this month for google click throughs (since they say, "Registered users receive free access to 10 articles per month." :)

[21:27:55]

skd5aner:

hrm... basically, WD has worked out a deal with TDK to buy heads made in Japan

[21:28:14]

sphery:

ah, cool

[21:28:22]

sphery:

and they expect that to help with supply?

[21:28:34]

skd5aner:

apparently, that's been the biggest supply chain issue in getting the HDD market to recover supply

[21:28:40]

sphery:

I'm just watching my drives anxiously until prices get back to "normal"

[21:29:03]

dekarl:

sphery: bugmenot.com?

[21:29:14]

sphery:

(though I seriously doubt we'll get back to normal as more money is shifted into the SSD arena due to 15k enterprise drives costing about 30–40% more than SSDs right now)

[21:29:20]

kormoc:

dekarl, site maps are used for indexing, not the category links (with google at least)

[21:30:12]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, this could be the shifting point depending on how much of the equipment is gone

[21:30:12]

dekarl:

kormoc: yeah, figured that in the meantime :( I wonder why searching for "openttd" shows a nice top result with a 2x2 resultset below but it doesn't when searching for "myhtv"

[21:30:19]

sphery:

skd5aner: I saw an article talking about how the Thai navy is sending divers into WD facilities to unbolt/remove equipment so it can be moved elsewhere

[21:30:30]

skd5aner:

wow

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sphery:

though they still don't know if the equipment will be usable

[21:31:21]

kormoc:

dekarl, it's not really up to us to control, https://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin . . . 34&hl=en

[21:33:14]

wagnerrp:

you know youre in trouble when you send divers into your manufacturing plant

[21:34:02]

sphery:

hehe, yeah

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jhp:

dekarl: Ofcourse it works when you have to test.

[21:34:44]

dekarl:

jhp: what happens whe you do "ping $(hostname)".. hmm, was about to ask if you got a new switch lately

[21:34:45]

jhp:

And I noticed that the last day my IP was gone on the interface, so that doesn't help a lot as well.

[21:35:14]

jhp:

I have always used the same switches in this setup.

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dekarl:

ok

[21:35:41]

jhp:

And this system has a direct connection to the Genexis Fiber converter. No switch in between.

[21:36:30]

jhp:

What happens if the IP on the interface changes or is lost momentarily and the backend is not restarted. Could this have efects?

[21:37:10]

dekarl:

the live555 library figures out its it somehow. What do you mean by "changes its ip"?

[21:37:11]

jhp:

Although I don't think this is happening, except for the moment where it is really lost due to an outage.

[21:37:28]

dekarl:

do you have static IPs for your PCs?

[21:37:43]

jhp:

[root@mythtv ~]# ping $(hostname)

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jhp:

PING mythtv.jhprins.org (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.

[21:38:05]

dekarl:

reported as leading to IPTV not working here http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7722

[21:38:31]

sphery:

ideally you would not use 127.0.0.1 as the IP address for anything in mythtv

[21:39:20]

dekarl:

well, requesting that a multicast group be delivered to 127.0.0.1 will not do what you want either ;)

[21:39:25]

sphery:

and 127.0.0.1 can only be used on a single-host MythTV box with combined frontend/backend/mythweb

[21:39:51]

jhp:

No that won't work, but the outgoing multicast request is not with source 127.0.0.1 I think.

[21:39:56]

jhp:

But I have to check to besure.

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dekarl:

where does your route to 224/4 lead to?

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jams:

what was the point of ping $HOSTNAME, that will almost always ping 127.0.0.1

[21:43:06]

dekarl:

hmm, over here I have 50/50 IP from real NIC and localhost

[21:43:25]

jams:

all depends on your hosts file

[21:43:25]

dekarl:

jams, it's been reported to fix IPTV issues for mythtv setups at #7722

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[21:43:39]

dekarl:

"the fix" being not pinging 127.0.0.1

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jhp:

224.0.0.0/4 dev eth0 scope link

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jhp:

eth0 is the interface on the fiber connect.

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dekarl:

sounds good

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jams:

oh I see it's not a fix, just a test

[21:46:19]

jhp:

[root@mythtv ~]# ping mythtv.jhprins.org

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jhp:

PING mythtv.jhprins.org (192.168.1.10) 56(84) bytes of data.

[21:46:20]

dekarl:

yes. the fix being a visit to /etc/hosts and fixing the $hostname entry

[21:46:45]

jhp:

The system is in my DNS with the correct hostname and everything.

[21:47:06]

jhp:

It has ended up in my local hosts file as well. Just removed it.

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dekarl:

ok

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jhp:

But this address is the local interface on my lan.

[21:47:29]

dekarl:

the ip adress is statically configured on the linux box

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jhp:

This IP is. yes.

[21:47:52]

dekarl:

and it's not static DHCP or similar :)

[21:48:13]

jhp:

But I think I'm going to fix the IP on my fiber Multicast link as well.

[21:48:19]

dekarl:

if I got all the hints from google together a restart of the backend should keep it working

[21:48:39]

dekarl:

this is a multihomed system?

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jhp:

Yes

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jhp:

eth0 is on the fiber and eth1 is on my lan.

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dekarl:

the ip on the fiber NIC is static, too?

[21:49:23]

jhp:

Nice if you want to watch recorded stuff on other systems.

[21:49:35]

jhp:

Not yet, currently arranging that.

[21:49:45]

dekarl:

ok, I think that might be throwing it off

[21:50:12]

dekarl:

it sounded like the freebox recorder *might* be learning the local IP just at startup

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skd5aner:

w00t... I actually found time to add some updates to the release notes for the first time since August

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jhp:

Ok, lets see if it keeps working.

[21:56:18]

jhp:

My wife was allready beating me with a baseball bat ;-)

[21:57:34]

dekarl:

in theory it should have all worked without these changes... the only one that should have been done was the static IP config for eth0

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[22:01:15]

jhp:

Well, so far it looks like it is working again, but I had that same idea a few days back.

[22:01:34]

dekarl:

sphery: wrt the warning, if he's using mythmetadatalookup he's on master, correct?

[22:01:41]

jhp:

And the biggest problem is debugging something that is working sometimes.

[22:02:27]

dekarl:

jhp: just schedule some recording and try "funny" stuff like restarting the fibre converter box :) if it survives that you're on the right track

[22:03:22]

jhp:

True.

[22:04:10]

jhp:

Well, I think we will see fast enough. My wifes schedules about 20 programs a day. She doesn't watch them all, but then you have something when you are bored.

[22:06:27]

dekarl:

sounds like a plan, tvwish can do that too :) And mythtv will clean delete them if they're in the way on its own

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jhp:

dekarl: Funny tool

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dekarl:

jhp, but as with every nice tool. without quality metadata you're dead in the water

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jhp:

true

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stuarta:

evening

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stuarta:

ahah!

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: he's teasing you... What he calls subtitle is the human readable episode number field that gets shown when there is no subtitle...

[22:17:09]

dekarl:

you can of course just look at the xmltv style episode field

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dekarl:

iamlindoro I hope i got the syndicateepisodenumber vs season/episode right

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sphery:

dekarl: basically, syndicatedepisodenumber is the production-company specified value, so could be anything from numbers to season/episode number to RS028 or 1511A or JH112 or BTE112 or 211111A or whatever

[22:49:21]

dekarl:

ah, so it would be HOU-503 for the series in question, I see

[22:49:29]

dekarl:

s/would/could/

[22:50:41]

sphery:

well, this is what I have for my House eps: http://pastebin.com/pfwNi1sN

[22:50:43]

dekarl:

but basically it is not connected directly

[22:50:48]

sphery:

right

[22:51:05]

dekarl:

that looks like SD episode numbers

[22:51:24]

sphery:

it's whatever the production company decides to use (so, like Millar Gough Ink or Bad Robot Productions or ...)

[22:51:25]

dekarl:

but yeah, can be anything

[22:51:34]

sphery:

those aren't SD episode numbers

[22:51:36]

sphery:

that's programid

[22:52:03]

sphery:

http://pastebin.com/00nSxmtk

[22:52:12]

dekarl:

but that's another fun topic on tvdb... how SHxxxx and EPxxxx#xxxx fit together

[22:52:24]

sphery:

yeah, IMHO, they shouldn't be on tvdb

[22:52:39]

sphery:

as they're copyrighted information compiled by TMS, and not something tvdb should be using

[22:53:14]

sphery:

I would love to convince tvdb to remove them all and come up with their own unique identifiers so that they don't get in trouble for copyright violations or whatever

[22:53:17]

dekarl:

IIUC they are not copyrightable as they are the PK for the dataset.

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dekarl:

the compilation might be copyrightable, and every text for sure is copyrighted

[22:53:50]

sphery:

yes, that's what the "lawyers" on -users list say

[22:53:52]

sphery:

but they're wrong

[22:54:41]

dekarl:

actually I'm refering to what the peeps over at musicbrainz are doing (obviously with other foreign keys) and they seem to care to do the right thing

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dekarl:

I just thought as they (mb) are US based too it might fit

[22:55:33]

sphery:

yes, but i still contend that a) they're not lawyers and b) no one in the US really understands US copyright law

[22:55:43]

dekarl:

but anyway, no use for SD ids over here

[22:56:26]

sphery:

yeah, and tvdb really shouldn't be using them so that they don't have problems

[22:56:54]

dekarl:

well, they could start with the copy'n'pasted texts... but lets not go down that route tonight

[22:56:59]

sphery:

just like Google shouldn't have forked Java without a license so they wouldn't have problems... but hey, no way Sun is going to sue Google because they're just too small a company

[22:57:09]

sphery:

oh, what? Oracle bought Sun. uh, oh!

[22:57:45]

sphery:

I really hope tvdb doesn't have a bunch of TMS descriptions copied and pasted in

[22:58:33]

iamlindoro:

dekarl: Responses sounded good to me, thanks

[22:58:37]

dekarl:

How can you know who copied from whom? And if it was ok or not.

[22:58:43]

dekarl:

iamlindoro: phew :)

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iamlindoro:

I knew when I set out to do it that it wouldn't please everyone, and that it wouldn't be easy/perfect :)

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iamlindoro:

I'm just striving for "accurate when it does something"

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iamlindoro:

everything else can be improved from there

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sphery:

anyway, in the US compilations of data can be copyrighted--and since it actually requires serious work for TMS to compile a list of/unique identifier for every single airing of every single show (meaning that they have different programids for different airings of the same episode of a series, if they differ in content--i.e. the "super-sized" one-minute-longer version compared to the syndicated version or ...--it should not be legal for ...

[22:59:49]

dekarl:

it is easy... he just needs to register at press.tv4.se and come up with a perfect match to thetvdb... then Joakim or I will code it into the Importer...

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sphery:

... <random person or company> to just copy their unique identifiers and say, "but it's a primary key"

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dekarl:

sphery: sounds similar to german law (in that aspect). But still its been always ok to say "there is a remote database that has information about this very subject filed under <thekey>".

[23:03:22]

jhp:

dekarl: http://pastebin.com/Kq6VL0uH

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jhp:

At 23:55 a recording should have started.

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dekarl:

jhp: ahh that's free for all :)

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jhp:

Yes

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jhp:

But there are no encrypted channels on this fiber.

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dekarl:

anybody can hint on what options to -v gives insight into whats happening?

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jhp:

start the backend with -v ?

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dekarl:

IPTV recorder doesn't produce a redording

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dekarl:

jhp, "-v ALL" might be a bit much

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dekarl:

try: http://pastebin.com/Kq6VL0uH

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dekarl:

try: mythbackend -v help

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dekarl:

"-v channel,general,record,siparser" might be it

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jhp:

http://pastebin.com/ESjigKKn

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jhp:

dekarl: That is with the debugging options you gave me.

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dekarl:

is it getting any data at all?

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jhp:

no

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jhp:

Everytime I tested with tcpdump open, I did not see any data coming in when it failed.

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jhp:

When it succeeds you see the data coming in.

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jhp:

You can't miss it :-)

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dekarl:

I just see that it setups a tablemonitor but doesn't see any tables

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dekarl:

no incoming data is a clear sign that the problem is very early in the setup

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dekarl:

you see a join request for the correct group?

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jhp:

Yes I do, but I can't look beyond the fiber box.

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jhp:

Maybe I pickup a switch with a mirror port from the office tomorrow so I can see what happens just before the data enters the fiber.

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dekarl:

maybe the join requests of vlc and mythtv are not identical (both using the live555 libs for multicast receiption)

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dekarl:

but that's beyond my knowledge

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jhp:

Well, we will see. I'm going to do some more debugging later.

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jhp:

Now I'm off to bed.

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jhp:

Long day ahead of me again.

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dekarl:

good idea, night

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jhp:

Just noticed a nasty one.

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jhp:

I couldn't ping the gateway on the multicast lan anymore. The interface was static configured.

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jhp:

Moved it back to dhcp and now I can ping the gateway again and data comes in again.

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jhp:

Maybe I should force a dhclient refresh every hour or so.

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dekarl:

sounds fishy and would be a good root cause for the recording problems

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jhp:

http://pastebin.com/FPaMV1sq

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jhp:

What they could be doing is that the normal clients do a dhcp refresh every hour, and that in the case they don't see the dhcp refresh, they block the switchport.

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dekarl:

might be the case. did you try to google "iptv linux <providername>" ?

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dekarl:

maybe they react "interesting" depending on mac adress etc.

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jhp:

I use the mac address of the IPTV box they have send me. That one is in the basement in his orriginal box.

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dekarl:

did you have to do that? (it more and more sounds like something specific to your provider and not to mythtv)

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jhp:

Yes, you have to do that, including some other things you have to send in the dhcp request to be able to get an IP.

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jhp:

You have to mimic their setop box.

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dekarl:

you definately want to look for provider specifics then :) (and reenable DHCP it seems)

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jhp:

Yes. Have done so. Think indeed that this is a profider specific problem.

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jhp:

But I already know much more then a few hours ago. So that is good.

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jhp:

Have found some gotchas in the config.

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