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| [01:14:26] | theborger: | so ill try in here. anyone suggest a remote around 40 to 50 bucks that works out of the box? |
| [01:14:30] | theborger: | looking at htis one |
| [01:14:32] | theborger: | http://www.amazon.com/HP-Windows-Infrared-Rec . . . 1&sr=8-6 |
| [01:14:49] | wagnerrp: | 40–50 is an awful lot for a remote |
| [01:15:03] | wagnerrp: | unless it has a built in keyboard and trackpad or something |
| [01:15:04] | theborger: | wagnerrp: ok well then is the one i posted good? |
| [01:15:16] | theborger: | point me to one on amazon? |
| [01:15:34] | theborger: | i need the remote + receiver |
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| [01:15:47] | wagnerrp: | this page says $22.89 |
| [01:15:55] | wagnerrp: | where are you getting $40-$50? |
| [01:16:07] | theborger: | wagnerrp: that is one i picked out |
| [01:16:16] | theborger: | there are a few on here for 50+ |
| [01:16:21] | theborger: | not trying to make a point of price |
| [01:16:32] | theborger: | just trying to find a good remote that will work out of the box with no issues |
| [01:16:38] | wagnerrp: | this one looks like a standard MCEUSB that works fine with LIRC |
| [01:17:04] | theborger: | wagnerrp: ok, so you said they ahve them with kb and trackpad? |
| [01:17:11] | theborger: | can you link me to one of those? |
| [01:17:44] | wagnerrp: | you actually want one with a keyboard and trackpad? |
| [01:17:48] | wagnerrp: | what would you do with it? |
| [01:17:57] | theborger: | use the regular computer browser? |
| [01:18:08] | theborger: | so i dont have to buy a bluetooth one |
| [01:18:11] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a job for a regular computer at a desk |
| [01:18:45] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Keyboard-Built . . . f=pd_sbs_e_2 |
| [01:18:47] | theborger: | well i am going to have this on a ubuntu install |
| [01:19:56] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Keybo . . . =pd_sbs_pc_1 |
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| [01:25:03] | theborger: | wagnerrp: that remote is not going to work. slow shipping i have prime |
| [01:25:06] | theborger: | so i have to look for another |
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| [01:31:19] | pyther: | Hi |
| [01:31:31] | pyther: | Where can I figure out my hostname on my client? |
| [01:31:49] | theborger: | pyther: you running linux? |
| [01:31:55] | pyther: | theborger: yes |
| [01:32:00] | wagnerrp: | `hostname` |
| [01:32:10] | pyther: | trying to setup permissions in mysql |
| [01:32:35] | theborger: | wagnerrp: this remote work? http://www.amazon.com/Keyspan-ER-V2-Remote-Wi . . . &sr=8-19 |
| [01:33:16] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [01:33:30] | wagnerrp: | ive got several of these... http://www.amazon.com/Noah-Company-MediaGate- . . . f=pd_sbs_e_2 |
| [01:33:38] | wagnerrp: | different branding, but same device |
| [01:33:48] | theborger: | o ok sweet |
| [01:33:58] | theborger: | damn no prime |
| [01:33:59] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that there are a couple different types of 'MCEUSB' remote |
| [01:34:08] | pyther: | theborger: hostname returns "tux" and that is what I put into the mysql permissions, but mythfrontend keeps telling me it fails to connect |
| [01:34:16] | pyther: | if I permit all hosts I have no problem |
| [01:34:32] | wagnerrp: | some work with LIRC, others dont, still others act as a keyboard and cannot be used by LIRC |
| [01:34:37] | wagnerrp: | pyther: use the IP instead? |
| [01:34:44] | theborger: | yea use ip man |
| [01:35:34] | theborger: | wagnerrp: so that one you linked will work for sure? the one other i linked before is coming from china |
| [01:35:43] | pyther: | that works, but I'd really like to know what myth thinks my hostname is |
| [01:35:43] | theborger: | that will take a month to get here |
| [01:36:12] | theborger: | pyther: i think it probley does not like it cause of the length. |
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| [01:36:24] | wagnerrp: | the one i linked looks exactly like the ones i have, but from a different brand |
| [01:36:36] | pyther: | theborger: hmm I tried tux.ion.lan |
| [01:36:44] | wagnerrp: | i think mine are AnyKey remotes, and ive seen Rosewill remotes that look identical |
| [01:36:49] | pyther: | I had it working, but then started using networkmanager and something changed |
| [01:36:53] | wagnerrp: | maybe Anyware |
| [01:37:07] | wagnerrp: | why are you using networkmanager? |
| [01:37:56] | wagnerrp: | pyther: do you actually have a DNS server set up to provide resolving for all these hostnames? |
| [01:38:03] | pyther: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:38:11] | pyther: | I wanted to use networkmanager to easily connect to my vpn |
| [01:38:19] | pyther: | but it semes to be causing more troubles than it is worth |
| [01:38:34] | wagnerrp: | so this is a desktop/laptop, and not a dedicated frontend? |
| [01:38:44] | pyther: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [01:38:47] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [02:02:02] | Oleg_: | oh, man, today's episode of "The Vampire Diaries" was incredible |
| [02:02:10] | Oleg_: | the best episode of the season so far! |
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| [02:35:00] | wagnerrp: | cant compare to the Venture Brothers though |
| [02:35:39] | wagnerrp: | they kill vampires, and zombies, and mummies, and indigenous tribesmen, and chupakabra, and... |
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| [03:09:31] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: heh... heh... heh... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11429807&postcount=3 |
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| [03:22:53] | [R]: | why on earth would mythtv try to bind to 3306? |
| [03:23:02] | [R]: | how badly must you configure it for that to happen |
| [03:23:07] | wagnerrp: | because it was told to |
| [03:23:32] | [R]: | so im watching scrubs season 9 |
| [03:23:37] | [R]: | its a sahem they cancelled it |
| [03:23:43] | [R]: | its an interesting spin on the original format |
| [03:23:53] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAH |
| [03:24:06] | wagnerrp: | think hell get it right on his third try? |
| [03:24:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:24:23] | wagnerrp: | second one didnt have all that garbage, but was still in the wrong place |
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| [04:04:50] | wagnerrp: | [R]: still hasnt made it into the correct mailing list |
| [04:05:34] | [R]: | i still wanna know how the hell one manages to get mythtv to think its supposed to use 3306 |
| [04:05:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, general, first page |
| [04:06:04] | wagnerrp: | you can set the port the backend is supposed to listen on |
| [04:06:16] | [R]: | but if you ahve no clue what you are doing, why would you type in 3306? |
| [04:06:31] | wagnerrp: | ding ding ding |
| [04:06:52] | wagnerrp: | how do people set 6543 as the mysql port to connect to? |
| [04:07:03] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:13:36] | wagnerrp: | odds on whether that 'cc' to him means hes going to reply to my address directly, rather than to the mailing list? |
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| [04:55:40] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I think mythweb has a spot to tweak for schema version too maybe |
| [04:55:55] | wagnerrp: | nope, protocol only |
| [04:56:01] | Beirdo: | K :) |
| [04:56:05] | wagnerrp: | and i believe that got moved over to the php bindings |
| [04:56:32] | Beirdo: | fair enough, just wanted to make sure you'd given it a moment of thought :) |
| [04:56:59] | wagnerrp: | no, none at all |
| [04:57:02] | wagnerrp: | just following the directions |
| [04:57:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:57:08] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/1433926 . . . ersion.h#L41 |
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| [07:22:36] | ** xris bangs head on desk gratefully now that SD IRS emails are done. ** | |
| [07:23:12] | wagnerrp: | finally done... after several years? |
| [07:23:37] | xris: | no. just 2–3 hours worth. |
| [07:23:44] | xris: | and only 2 emails. just a lot of reading of documents. |
| [07:24:02] | xris: | SD still stuck in the limbo that the IRS has decided to create for anything related to open source. |
| [07:24:13] | wagnerrp: | ah, so not the 501 stuff |
| [07:24:15] | xris: | but we still have to file tax forms. |
| [07:24:38] | xris: | one is related to 501c3 (basically to poke the IRS for an update). the other was filling out tax form |
| [07:25:11] | xris: | I'm just burnt out. giant deadline looming at work (in a good way, but it's still a giant deadline) |
| [07:25:26] | xris: | though Real finally has a CEO again so that's a good thing, too. |
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| [07:28:30] | xris: | someday I'll have time again for mythtv |
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| [07:32:42] | dekarl: | isn't record.filter a bitmap, too? (just looking at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/71064a3/ and the filter = filter | 5 stands out) |
| [07:33:54] | wagnerrp: | davide: ^^^ |
| [07:35:21] | wagnerrp: | i somehow managed to jam my thumb |
| [07:36:51] | dekarl: | should filter = filter | 5 not be more like filter = filter | 2^5 (same for 1 and 2) |
| [07:38:18] | dekarl: | hmm, and the logic seems to have changed from "include generic" to "only identifieabl" so it's inverted |
| [07:41:38] | justinh: | ow. that silly nessiedvb thing is expensive. especially for something that won't work with mythtv |
| [07:42:03] | justinh: | "but muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed a networked tuner so I can use a VM" :-\ |
| [07:42:25] | wagnerrp: | i didnt notice a price when i was looking at it |
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| [07:43:52] | justinh: | it's about £250 |
| [07:43:53] | dekarl: | davide: ... ahh 5 = 2^0 +2^2, looks fine. but 2 = 2^1 still seems inverted :) |
| [07:44:12] | wagnerrp: | for two DVB-S2 tuners? |
| [07:44:27] | wagnerrp: | cant you get those for £50 each? |
| [07:45:13] | justinh: | yes, but not in an ugly black box powered by a wall wart that you can connect to the network! |
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| [07:45:30] | wagnerrp: | 110 for a Nova-S2 |
| [07:45:37] | justinh: | actually aren't SD sorking on an S2 version? |
| [07:45:40] | wagnerrp: | odd that the USB one is cheaper than the PCI card |
| [07:46:02] | justinh: | the PCI version prolly has a USB bridge on it ;) |
| [07:46:56] | wagnerrp: | did the thing accept CI cards? |
| [07:47:01] | justinh: | nope |
| [07:47:19] | justinh: | being *nix-ish it probably has the ability to you know... |
| [07:47:27] | justinh: | do unmentionable stuff |
| [07:47:54] | justinh: | you know, like the Dreambox junk |
| [07:47:58] | wagnerrp: | right |
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| [07:53:04] | dekarl: | wagnerrp, davide: actually it seems to be right but it's like quad inversion in the logic ;) |
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| [07:58:15] | justinh: | Hmm. Can I replace the RTC chip in every product we've got lying around & see if the new sample performs the same as the current one. What – like making sure it gains or loses 30 seconds an hour – more if you look at it too hard?! |
| [08:01:27] | dekarl: | sounds a bit like blackbox testing our trojaner and reporting "no, there are no hidden unlawful features, sir!" |
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| [08:05:51] | wagnerrp: | 2–3 times a year for the past several years, this openivo guy pops up |
| [08:06:03] | wagnerrp: | has he yet released anything? or is it still just all a bunch of talk? |
| [08:07:07] | justinh: | still a bunch of talk |
| [08:07:21] | justinh: | he does a lot of social networking though. That must mean he means business |
| [08:08:00] | justinh: | I wouldn't like to be his family, always worrying about when they're going to lose the house |
| [08:08:33] | justinh: | look at this: "TV ads that find there own market" |
| [08:08:37] | justinh: | THERE own market |
| [08:09:17] | wagnerrp: | not their own market? |
| [08:09:35] | justinh: | no, the webpage says THERE own market |
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| [08:11:08] | dekarl: | but it's so much easier to deliver connect trailers to the EIT and slap a "Forrest Gump is presented by Adidas" clip in front of it :) |
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| [08:12:30] | dekarl: | (just some random thought after having peeked at NorDig SI data) |
| [08:12:58] | wagnerrp: | they really stepped in it with that one |
| [08:12:59] | justinh: | where's he popped up again, wagnerrp ? |
| [08:13:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-contractors |
| [08:16:17] | Bhaal: | Hrm... |
| [08:16:17] | justinh: | nice 'wizard' they've got there |
| [08:17:09] | wagnerrp: | i told him a while back that all their plans for a 'html wizard based installer' were basically going to be taken care of upstream |
| [08:17:16] | wagnerrp: | if they wanted to help with that, go for it |
| [08:17:23] | wagnerrp: | nothing so far |
| [08:17:23] | justinh: | simple thought: if they plan to run on a common platform they could just script it |
| [08:17:40] | Bhaal: | I have added an rss feed of audio streams to mythnetvision, it brings up a screen saying loading, but thats all it does... |
| [08:17:53] | Bhaal: | Can I natively use mythnetvision for playing audio streams without a website? |
| [08:17:56] | justinh: | my guess is they're waiting for mythtv to do all the work for them |
| [08:19:10] | justinh: | heh. and these startup people wanting to do a media playback kiosk & they're incapable of making a system that can loop a video all day? lol |
| [08:19:16] | Peitolm: | am i right in thinking that there isn't really much in the way of protocol negotiation between client and mythbackend? |
| [08:19:45] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: an announce, and optional version check |
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| [08:20:02] | justinh: | and if they don't speak the same version, the conversation is over |
| [08:20:06] | wagnerrp: | so no, there is no 'negotiation' |
| [08:20:09] | Peitolm: | I support X, can you talk X? |
| [08:20:21] | wagnerrp: | its just 'i am X, are you X too?' |
| [08:20:27] | Peitolm: | ah |
| [08:20:30] | Peitolm: | shame |
| [08:20:30] | wagnerrp: | theres no 'can you talk...' |
| [08:20:37] | justinh: | if you're not X, no talking to you! |
| [08:21:31] | Peitolm: | just wondering if there's any milage in getting MythTV.pm and friends into CPAN, but that sounds like a fairly large stumbling block |
| [08:21:37] | Peitolm: | who announces first, the client? |
| [08:21:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [08:22:00] | wagnerrp: | client states protocol version, server accepts or denies |
| [08:22:04] | Peitolm: | right |
| [08:22:12] | Peitolm: | and there's no 'no, i'm Y'? |
| [08:22:13] | wagnerrp: | then client announces identifies itself |
| [08:22:20] | justinh: | doesn't CPAN have enough in it already? :-O |
| [08:22:29] | Peitolm: | never enough in CPAN |
| [08:22:31] | Peitolm: | :) |
| [08:22:45] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'no, im Y', followed by a socket disconnect |
| [08:23:08] | Peitolm: | ah, right, so a second connection with 'I am Y' could then be made |
| [08:23:21] | justinh: | that kind of thing is discouraged |
| [08:23:27] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [08:23:43] | wagnerrp: | its more a 'i am X, and here is my keycode to prove it' |
| [08:23:54] | Peitolm: | as long as once Y is made, all communication is Y, is that an issue? |
| [08:23:58] | laga: | aha, did you guys put in a key? |
| [08:24:01] | wagnerrp: | followed by a 'i am X, but your keycode is a lie' |
| [08:24:03] | justinh: | muhahaha |
| [08:24:30] | Peitolm: | i saw the keycodes yesterday |
| [08:24:37] | wagnerrp: | if applications want to store multiple keycodes, and connect to multiple different versions, they are free to |
| [08:24:53] | wagnerrp: | but it serves to prevent old code from connecting to new code blindly |
| [08:24:57] | justinh: | great if you want to make a bogus app nobody in their right mind would ever trust to run loose on their mythtv system |
| [08:25:12] | Peitolm: | cool, I only envisioning that it would support 0.24 + |
| [08:25:29] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: thats actually backwards |
| [08:25:39] | wagnerrp: | you could support 0.24 and previous |
| [08:25:51] | Peitolm: | there's stuff in earlier versions that have been removed |
| [08:25:53] | wagnerrp: | but you could not provide forward support, as you have no idea what the future could hold |
| [08:26:06] | Peitolm: | looking at the protocol pages on teh wiki |
| [08:26:14] | justinh: | the future could hold a complete re-engineering of the protocol, you never know |
| [08:26:18] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: i could track svn though, |
| [08:26:37] | wagnerrp: | and you would be stuck at 0.24 forever |
| [08:26:45] | justinh: | I mean there's never been any cross-version compatability, so there's no incentive to make anything stay the same |
| [08:27:16] | wagnerrp: | 'svn' hasnt been updated in 11 months |
| [08:27:30] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: you're not getting what im saying |
| [08:27:35] | justinh: | you might be better hanging off the API |
| [08:27:43] | wagnerrp: | you cannot possibly support anything besides the code that has currently been released |
| [08:28:01] | wagnerrp: | so you can only currently support the 0.25 developmental build and previous |
| [08:28:03] | Peitolm: | except there are two releases aren't tehere |
| [08:28:08] | justinh: | but.. but... he can follow development & support multiple versions! |
| [08:28:10] | wagnerrp: | you could not write code today that would work with 0.26 |
| [08:28:18] | Peitolm: | 0.24-fixes + current git |
| [08:28:37] | wagnerrp: | you could re-release the code at some point in the future, after being rewritten to work with 0.26 |
| [08:28:55] | justinh: | and if mythtv drops whole swathes of the protocol in favour of some other method he can rewrite, put those new features in & still maintain how it works with the older.. oh wait... |
| [08:29:11] | Peitolm: | don't you still advise users with issues to run the git version ? |
| [08:29:33] | wagnerrp: | the keycode exists to prevent old code from blindly connecting to new protocol versions |
| [08:29:50] | Peitolm: | this wouldn't be a blind connect though |
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| [08:29:54] | wagnerrp: | so you cannot say you support 0.24+ |
| [08:30:01] | wagnerrp: | you would support 0.24–0.25 |
| [08:30:03] | Peitolm: | looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Protocol |
| [08:30:13] | wagnerrp: | and at some later point, it would need to be updated to support 0.24–0.26 |
| [08:30:16] | wagnerrp: | and so on |
| [08:30:27] | Peitolm: | ok. yes, i could say 0.24-fixes -> v0.25pre-2682-gfb34130 |
| [08:30:45] | Peitolm: | rather than 'openended' |
| [08:31:19] | wagnerrp: | in the past, most 3rd party protocol users were 'open ended' |
| [08:31:46] | Peitolm: | could you see a problem with saying 'this supports protocols 62 through to 69' |
| [08:31:49] | wagnerrp: | semi-intelligent ones would pick up the response from the server, and then respond with a lie 'im actually version Y too' |
| [08:32:08] | wagnerrp: | stupid ones would cycle from version 1, and continue up until it got a positive result |
| [08:32:17] | justinh: | nobody should trust anything which does that |
| [08:32:23] | wagnerrp: | if all of those versions were actually supported properly, i dont see a problem |
| [08:32:31] | Peitolm: | cool |
| [08:32:48] | Peitolm: | sorry for confusion with 0.24-fixes+ |
| [08:32:56] | wagnerrp: | but making it so the bindings re-organized themselves dynamically around whatever version of the protocol came up would not be a trivial task |
| [08:33:28] | justinh: | won't the API do what you're looking to do instead? |
| [08:33:54] | wagnerrp: | once someone writes a method for it |
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| [08:34:48] | wagnerrp: | although id like to see some enforced versioning on the communication for each of those methods |
| [08:34:54] | Peitolm: | are the methods backend or front end |
| [08:35:04] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [08:37:59] | justinh: | oh crap. we only use that RTC chip on like .. *every* frickin product :-\ |
| [08:38:30] | Bhaal: | So there is nothing for streaming radio in Mythtv at all? |
| [08:41:13] | Peitolm: | I can't see any service for querying the recordings, is this a missing method |
| [08:41:30] | wagnerrp: | where are you looking? |
| [08:41:39] | wagnerrp: | actually, what version are you on? |
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| [08:44:57] | Peitolm: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API |
| [08:45:09] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVR_Service#GetRecorded |
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| [08:45:42] | Peitolm: | dunno, i'm running an SVN version that has a broken version string generation issue |
| [08:45:57] | Peitolm: | ah, i read that list 3 times and missed the DVR service |
| [08:46:00] | wagnerrp: | if you are running an svn version, you dont have access to this |
| [08:46:32] | Peitolm: | MythTV Version : Unknown |
| [08:46:43] | Peitolm: | Library API : 0.24.20101129–1 |
| [08:46:51] | Peitolm: | no problems upgrading to get it though |
| [08:47:07] | wagnerrp: | that looks like some blend of 0.24, not developmental 0.25 |
| [08:47:18] | wagnerrp: | out of curiosity, where did you get your packages? |
| [08:47:28] | Peitolm: | it's from the gentoo ebuild from git |
| [08:47:34] | Peitolm: | iirc |
| [08:47:52] | Peitolm: | so it may not be an svn now i think of it |
| [08:48:05] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo ebuilds create the necessary file to tell the build script what version its using |
| [08:48:24] | ** wagnerrp would know, he wrote the code to do such ** | |
| [08:48:26] | Peitolm: | is there another way to tell? |
| [08:48:53] | wagnerrp: | emerge -v mythtv |
| [08:48:58] | wagnerrp: | see what version it pulls |
| [08:49:08] | wagnerrp: | erm... -vp |
| [08:50:21] | Peitolm: | 0.24_p20110122 |
| [08:50:42] | Peitolm: | [ebuild U ~] media-tv/mythtv-0.25_pre20111102 [0.24_p20110122] |
| [08:51:02] | wagnerrp: | that was probably before i updated the code to pull version strings from the github download filename |
| [08:51:25] | Peitolm: | i think so |
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| [08:51:39] | Peitolm: | didn't realiase it was that old |
| [08:52:12] | Peitolm: | keeping the frontends and backends in sync has been a nightmare though. |
| [08:52:41] | Peitolm: | don't suppose you've heard of anyone successfully getting mythbackend to build on OSX 10.7? |
| [08:53:16] | wagnerrp: | ive not been paying close attention to hear |
| [08:53:39] | justinh: | a nightmare? how many tens of frontends & backends do you have? |
| [08:54:28] | Peitolm: | two at the moment, i haven't used the 3rd for a while |
| [08:54:37] | wagnerrp: | two is a nightmare? |
| [08:54:46] | Peitolm: | it was mainly the issue of getting different distros to line up |
| [08:55:19] | wagnerrp: | ive got three that stay in lock step with just a reboot |
| [08:56:16] | wagnerrp: | and a fourth that automatically updates itself, rolling back and restarting itself if there is a failure |
| [08:56:39] | Peitolm: | the backend is an aging gentoo (installed from 1.4 days), one front end has been gentoo, ubuntu, mythbuntu, osx and is now debian again, and another that is currently mythbuntu, plus the odd osx client. |
| [08:56:59] | Peitolm: | i even tried getting it to build on opensolaris in the past |
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| [08:57:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv readily builds on freebsd, it shouldnt be hard to port to opensolaris from there if one were so inclined |
| [08:58:05] | Peitolm: | might give it ago again later |
| [08:58:20] | wagnerrp: | although these days it would be nexanta/openindiana |
| [08:58:31] | Peitolm: | oi for me at the moment |
| [08:59:11] | Peitolm: | although, now i have switched both storage and myth to low power AMD boxes, i don't have to worry about it |
| [08:59:45] | Peitolm: | especially now myth can find recordings that move from one directory to another |
| [09:01:09] | ** Peitolm wishlists a job-only backend ** | |
| [09:01:40] | ** wagnerrp wishes people would look at mythtvs application list occasionally ** | |
| [09:01:53] | ** justinh wishlists users who come without wishlists ** | |
| [09:03:07] | Peitolm: | sorry wagnerrp i'm being blind again, where is that list? |
| [09:03:25] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/mythtv/programs |
| [09:03:36] | Peitolm: | ah, i was looking on the wiki |
| [09:03:40] | Peitolm: | silly me |
| [09:03:52] | wagnerrp: | or 'ls /usr/bin/myth*' |
| [09:04:55] | Peitolm: | last i heard, all backends had to have a tuner |
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| [09:05:06] | wagnerrp: | look closer |
| [09:05:18] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . mythjobqueue |
| [09:06:07] | wagnerrp: | commit history has that application showing up at the end of november |
| [09:06:11] | wagnerrp: | (2004) |
| [09:06:27] | Peitolm: | so, if i built (somehow), just mythjobqueue i can run that separately |
| [09:06:46] | wagnerrp: | no, you install all of mythtv, and just run mythjobqueue |
| [09:06:50] | Peitolm: | ah |
| [09:07:15] | Peitolm: | it's useful information |
| [09:07:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt allow just installing one application |
| [09:07:36] | Peitolm: | i didn't think so |
| [09:07:39] | wagnerrp: | technically, you could simply build that directory and not all the rest |
| [09:07:52] | wagnerrp: | but all applications require all the shared libraries |
| [09:08:21] | wagnerrp: | so by only building mythjobqueue, you might save yourself 2–3 minutes of compile time, and 15MB of files |
| [09:08:46] | Peitolm: | i tried recently to build 0.24-fixes and a fresh git checkout on osx lion, but got snagged by missing files |
| [09:09:09] | Peitolm: | the machine is off at the moment, otherwise i'd get the error message |
| [09:12:40] | Peitolm: | thanks for your help and patience wagnerrp and justinh |
| [09:13:31] | wagnerrp: | gah |
| [09:13:46] | Peitolm: | gah? |
| [09:13:46] | wagnerrp: | the new python command line parser module terminates the application if it hits an error |
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| [09:32:02] | Beirdo: | ugh. my brain hurts |
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| [09:44:04] | dekarl-too: | Bhaal: for webradio proof of concept work look at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5928 and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox |
| [09:45:37] | justinh: | I thought the internal player could already deal with audio only streams |
| [09:46:37] | dekarl-too: | but you somehow have to get them there... the links refer basically to two variants of "turning shoutcast into a proper DTV radio channel" |
| [09:47:07] | dekarl-too: | basically wrapping the elementary audio stream into a transport stream without video |
| [09:47:07] | justinh: | sounds like a shoehorn |
| [09:47:54] | justinh: | if mythmusic could handle internet radio that'd be a better way to go about it |
| [09:48:10] | justinh: | rather than restricting it to a 'watch tv' exercise |
| [09:48:23] | dekarl-too: | fit my usage well when I wanted to record two radio shows without adding a FM tuner to the backend :) |
| [09:48:38] | justinh: | ah well for a radio recorder – sure :) |
| [09:49:03] | justinh: | I prolly record more radio than TV with mythtv (over dvb-t) |
| [09:49:08] | justinh: | for my own personal use anyway |
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| [09:49:32] | justinh: | obviously my wife's 'stories' take up the majority of the usage plan |
| [09:49:51] | justinh: | stupid bloody soaps & whatever crap ITV deem fit for broadcast |
| [09:50:25] | dekarl-too: | we only get FM and DAB(+) over here, because the reseller of DAB equipment have a better lobby at the car industry or whatever :( radio over DVB-T is only being tested in Berlin |
| [09:50:53] | justinh: | we have DAB here too. it's awful |
| [09:51:05] | justinh: | pschhhhhpschhhhhburbleburblepschhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhsplat |
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| [09:51:38] | justinh: | whee 128Kbps mp2 audio! |
| [09:52:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:52:32] | justinh: | 128K at best! |
| [09:52:57] | justinh: | most new radios support DAB+ but we're not broadcasting it yet |
| [09:53:19] | justinh: | just think though, with mpeg4 audio they'll be able to cram in even more stations with nothing good on |
| [09:53:42] | dekarl-too: | hmm, with 128kbit/s AAC they'd get something over FM at least. (leaving out 5.1 radio for now. don't think you'll have a use case in cars for that soon) |
| [09:53:58] | justinh: | yeah 128k AAC beats 128k mp2 |
| [09:54:05] | justinh: | even beats 128k mp3 |
| [09:54:34] | justinh: | and if a station is playing lossily compressed music, oh dear |
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| [09:54:57] | justinh: | lossy compression + lossy compression (over a lossy link) then lossily broadcast... UGH |
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| [09:55:34] | justinh: | you know when you can hear music in the background when you phone somebody on your mobile? that |
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| [09:56:23] | dekarl-too: | we could use some guidelines for making the loudness being roughly the same across stations, too. (they have that in the US for TV audio if I understood correctly) |
| [09:56:59] | dekarl-too: | The joy of setting the limiter/compressor to "atomic" so their stations comes out loudest... |
| [09:57:31] | justinh: | oh god no, audio 'optimisation' is a very big business |
| [09:57:36] | justinh: | they use mutliband compression & all kinds of tricks |
| [09:57:52] | justinh: | soft clipping, stereo width alteration, you name it |
| [09:58:33] | justinh: | not always 'loudest' either. they do tests with focus groups of their target demographic to determine which 'sound' they prefer |
| [10:01:34] | dekarl-too: | Something like mp3gain/aacgain that just adjusts the multipliers would be nice to apply to recordings in mythtv. (and mythmusic, too) So at least your neighbours don't have to kill you when you zap through recordings at night and hit a loud one :) |
| [10:02:17] | dekarl-too: | I apply that to all my songs and it works wonders. |
| [10:06:39] | justinh: | I store all my music losslessly, so re-saving files results in no audible quality loss |
| [10:06:50] | justinh: | so I could do that & not worry about generational losses :) |
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| [10:10:46] | dekarl-too: | mp3gain / aacgain works lossless by fiddling directly with the bits in the encoded audio stream, that's what I liked about it most. |
| [10:11:40] | justinh: | sounds questionable |
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| [10:16:03] | justinh: | ah. it doesn't actually change the encoded data as such. just alters the gain of each frame |
| [10:17:16] | dekarl-too: | ha, you found the explanation faster then me... |
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| [10:17:53] | dekarl-too: | would be a nice addition for "the shoutcast recorder"... I'll put it on my list :D |
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| [10:40:25] | justinh: | stupid bloody VLANs |
| [10:40:58] | justinh: | my PC is on a different VLAN to the lab, so I can't discover the camera I'm trying to test via its MAC address |
| [10:47:48] | Bhaal: | dekarl: Thanks, I will check out those links re: streaming radio |
| [10:49:11] | dekarl-too: | Bhaal: the vlc workaround works better then expected, but it's just a workaround nevertheless |
| [10:50:15] | justinh: | better than expected == sometimes ? ;-) |
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| [10:54:34] | Bhaal: | Here is a quick question: Could the freebox plugin be used to serve up static content like hulu etc? |
| [10:54:55] | Bhaal: | I know there are other solutions for hulu, but in australia there still isn't a mythtv solution for iView |
| [10:55:52] | Bhaal: | or is freebox hardware as well? |
| [10:56:41] | justinh: | hulu? hahahaha. No |
| [10:56:54] | Bhaal: | I meant something like hulu |
| [10:56:58] | justinh: | no *legit* way to get Hulu into mythtv, end of story |
| [10:58:12] | justinh: | and basically repackaging other streaming services for mythtv to use – you'd have to check their T&Cs but you can almost guarantee they'd be dead against using streams outside of a browser or whatever client they specify |
| [10:58:42] | Bhaal: | I was asking if it can be done... Not about the legalities of it.. |
| [10:59:05] | justinh: | and the rules of this channel forbid condoning breaches of T&Cs & illegality |
| [10:59:41] | Bhaal: | righto |
| [10:59:43] | justinh: | in theory you could repackage anything to work. good luck with all that |
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| [11:12:29] | dekarl-too: | Bhaal: can you not simply handle ABC iView in Mythnetvision? It's VOD and not a live stream after all. It's just a web site with flash videos restricted to Australia if I understand correctly |
| [11:14:58] | Bhaal: | dekarl-too: exactly... Last time I tried iView in mythnetvision flash kept crashing.. I have not tried with the new machine... |
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| [11:15:19] | Bhaal: | As it is, I like what I have already, but just wish for something a little better hehe |
| [11:15:25] | justinh: | flash crashes. that's a fact of life :) |
| [11:15:36] | Bhaal: | justinh: yeah, pretty sad :) |
| [11:15:49] | Bhaal: | If only mythstream had of stayed in production |
| [11:15:50] | Bhaal: | ah well |
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| [11:18:38] | justinh: | mythstream can't do anything with flash encumbered sites anyway |
| [11:18:44] | dekarl-too: | Bhaal: correct nme if I'm wrong, but mythstream was about LiveMediaBroadcast and not VideoOnDemand, too. |
| [11:20:42] | dekarl-too: | for converting podcasts into recordings you'd be looking for something like mythnettv https://github.com/managementboy/mntv |
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| [18:44:30] | wagnerrp: | still no reply one way or another from Prajakta.... |
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| [18:49:47] | dekarl: | maybe he/she didn't understand it, must translate to hindi... |
| [18:50:22] | wagnerrp: | you know, thats not unlikely |
| [18:50:43] | wagnerrp: | i told he/she that he/she was using the wrong mailing list, and to use the mythtv-users one instead |
| [18:51:00] | wagnerrp: | so he/she promptly thanked me, and sent the question right to the same mailing list as before |
| [18:51:15] | dekarl: | I have a hard time explaining stuff to coworkers who are native speakers in my native language... (was about stuff in india, too ;) |
| [18:52:54] | wagnerrp: | german is just close enough to english to cause for some amusement |
| [18:53:17] | wagnerrp: | for instance, someone i know's father asked them how you as a german if they speak english |
| [18:53:27] | wagnerrp: | sprechen sie englisch |
| [18:53:45] | wagnerrp: | so of course he misunderstood, and asked the german "speakin' the english" |
| [18:54:54] | dekarl: | or the beloved "I become a steak" instead of "I'll have a steak" |
| [18:55:26] | wagnerrp: | ich habe einer... steak? |
| [18:55:59] | dekarl: | ich bekomme ein Steak. |
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| [18:56:27] | wagnerrp: | wrong gender? |
| [18:56:35] | wagnerrp: | ein/einer |
| [18:57:41] | wagnerrp: | been 10 years since ive taken german, i dont remember much |
| [18:57:43] | dekarl: | yes, and habe => posses instead of bekomme => have |
| [18:58:23] | wagnerrp: | and ive never been much use with genders, considering english really doesn't bother with them |
| [18:58:53] | dekarl: | you'll not starve at a restaurant because of the gender either ;) |
| [18:59:18] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [19:03:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall having trouble getting beer over their either |
| [19:04:24] | dekarl: | I don't find it atm my ex flatmate had a nice book from an american who lived in 3–4 states in america and germany and compares the oddities |
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| [19:05:40] | dekarl: | http://www.amazon.de/product-reviews/340460623X <- there it is, good lecture for the bathroom |
| [19:06:19] | iamlindoro: | Clearly not, that's just gibberish |
| [19:06:29] | iamlindoro: | Like someone mashing on the keyboard |
| [19:06:39] | iamlindoro: | And where did they find that carzy B |
| [19:06:41] | iamlindoro: | crazy |
| [19:06:52] | wagnerrp: | and those dots above their vowels |
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| [19:07:07] | Beirdo: | and the five words mashed into one :) |
| [19:09:21] | dekarl: | :( http://www.amazon.com/dp/340460623X no link to "this article in the one true language" |
| [19:09:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: amazing how many people put mysql port for backend port and vice versa... I don't see why it's such a common mistake |
| [19:09:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it is |
| [19:09:46] | wagnerrp: | out of tens of thousands of users, weve seen it like 3–4 times |
| [19:10:02] | dekarl: | should the port number settings just die in super-easy-mode ? |
| [19:10:23] | sphery: | dekarl: or just die and require everyone to use defaults :) |
| [19:10:33] | wagnerrp: | it should stick around, for the case of users running a secondary backend for development/testing |
| [19:10:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery: ++ |
| [19:10:41] | sphery: | guess it may just feel common since we've seen it twice in a week or so |
| [19:11:00] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: but devs can just put up a second IP and be done... |
| [19:11:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv listens on all addresses |
| [19:11:13] | sphery: | yep, 2nd IP++ |
| [19:11:13] | iamlindoro: | What percentage of myth users need to changed the port, because that's the percent of myth users who can grow the f up |
| [19:11:26] | wagnerrp: | not just the one you define in mythtv-setup |
| [19:11:31] | sphery: | ah, so might mean 2nd system (which is still best approach) |
| [19:11:38] | dekarl: | why did I have to manually bind to the external IP instead of localhost then? |
| [19:11:47] | wagnerrp: | mysql possibly |
| [19:11:48] | sphery: | for mysql you did |
| [19:12:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: whatever am i thinking, their development VM and production VM would automatically have separate IPs |
| [19:12:50] | sphery: | besides, it wouldn't be too difficult for devs to compile their secondary version with a different port |
| [19:12:53] | sphery: | hehe, oh yeah |
| [19:13:14] | sphery: | just like my setup--I consolidated my master backend and remote backend onto one computer to make it more efficient |
| [19:13:29] | sphery: | now I'm just running 2 virtual machines on it so I can run 2 programs at the same time |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [19:16:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: of course you know that if we rip out the support for custom ports, it will just make more users go back to 0.21-fixes... I mean, between ripping out the arrow key accelerators in 0.22 and then people noticing it happened after 0.24 and then removing custom port support, we'd have some more "How to make 0.24 more like 0.21" threads |
| [19:16:39] | dekarl: | man you're right listening everywhere, well, nothing a jail can't fix |
| [19:17:12] | sphery: | s/go back to 0.21/trade patches that 'fix MythTV' since the developers can't make it work right/ |
| [19:17:15] | wagnerrp: | technically, if you can run mythtv in a jail, youre limited to listening on ipv6 |
| [19:18:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know, with an embedded database, this whole problem would just vanish |
| [19:18:12] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: If I have a host and two jails with one ip each, no backend on the host and one in each jail... that wouldn't work? |
| [19:18:24] | ** sphery hangs his head in shame ** | |
| [19:18:28] | sphery: | I must work on that |
| [19:18:42] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: on freebsd, if you have an ipv6 address available, mythtv will only listen on ipv6 |
| [19:18:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: :) |
| [19:18:52] | sphery: | (technically I must work on the data server so that I/we can work on the embedded part...) |
| [19:19:04] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: its a bug with the ipv6 implementation in the protocol server |
| [19:19:26] | wagnerrp: | freebsd has slightly different socket configuration syntax than linux |
| [19:20:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: we could just remove the option of running on *BSD and let everyone run on a real OS |
| [19:20:16] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:20:25] | wagnerrp: | like Windows? |
| [19:20:31] | dekarl: | now that would be a reason for using virtual machines, /me wanders off to tell all users :D |
| [19:20:41] | sphery: | hehe... besides, I hear that BSD violates all sorts of AT&T copyrights |
| [19:20:54] | sphery: | and who would you rather upset? (now defunct?) SCO or AT&T |
| [19:21:06] | wagnerrp: | didnt SCO recently sue someone? |
| [19:21:17] | dekarl: | didn't they solve that with 4.2Lite? |
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| [19:22:16] | dekarl: | oh sorry, first AT&T free version was 4.4BSD-Lite, not even 20 years ago |
| [19:23:16] | sphery: | guess UnXis purchased SCO Unix Assets/SCO |
| [19:23:42] | sphery: | which is interesting since I'm not sure it's been determined which "Unix assets" are actually SCO's :) |
| [19:24:23] | sphery: | anyway, I don't care about upsetting a company that can't even spell Unixes |
| [19:25:26] | dekarl: | the trademark stayed with Novell iirc, so they have to misspell it :) |
| [19:26:37] | wagnerrp: | apparently Mint is rapidly stealing users away from Ubuntu |
| [19:26:53] | dekarl: | ohh http://www.skytel.co.cr/unix/research/1993/1011.htm that was outdated, too |
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| [19:27:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I've heard a lot of people who seem to be switching to Mint... haven't figured out why they'd do that at least for MythTV systems, since mythbuntu's repos are great (and it seems Mint is lacking an equivalent) |
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| [19:28:32] | wagnerrp: | well theyre abandoning ubuntu out of spite from unity, and mint is the closest alternative |
| [19:28:33] | sphery: | for non-mythtv systems, I don't mind if they switch... but with mythtv users switching, Mint really needs a good repo for -fixes |
| [19:28:43] | sphery: | ahhhh, that explains much |
| [19:28:47] | wagnerrp: | since mythbuntu doesnt use unity anyway, its not a big problem for them |
| [19:29:19] | sphery: | yeah, based on what you're saying, I'd guess mythtv users who are switching are doing so for "same distro on all systems" |
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| [19:30:46] | sphery: | LinHES not friendly to customization? That doesn't right |
| [19:31:07] | sphery: | I'm wondering if it's more that the user hasn't figured out how to customize it than anything LinHES is doing |
| [19:33:23] | wagnerrp: | thats arch, right? |
| [19:33:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:33:58] | dekarl: | But what do they care if their mythtv appliance is build on top of Ubuntu, Mint, Darwin or Indiana? Maybe Mythbuntu should be renamed to NiceMythTVSetup :) |
| [19:34:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: In the end, Mint is Ubuntu |
| [19:34:36] | iamlindoro: | I've got my dev system on Mint presently |
| [19:34:47] | iamlindoro: | it's basically just regular Ubuntu without the new Unity garbage |
| [19:35:00] | sphery: | so you can use mythbuntu repos with it? |
| [19:35:03] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:35:11] | sphery: | if so, then I'm all for people using it (as long as they enable the repos) |
| [19:35:13] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:35:29] | sphery: | thanks for that--I need to pass it on to a guy I know who just set up a mint system |
| [19:35:38] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [19:50:06] | wagnerrp: | so its like how scientific linux is centos is rhel? |
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| [20:07:06] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, sphery they can, but they have to enable it manually. The package we provide for configuring the repos doesn't work on mint |
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| [20:11:21] | sphery: | tgm4883: ah, good to know... thanks |
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| [20:19:40] | kormoc: | http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/11/logitech- . . . big-mistake/ |
| [20:21:32] | sphery: | but, but, ... Google's Google TV 2.0 that was just released /must/ be good, right? |
| [20:22:47] | sphery: | I mean it offers the same capability of not playing back any web-based video from the major networks--but it has Android 3.1, now! |
| [20:23:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:23:09] | iamlindoro: | ANDROID URVYWHR |
| [20:23:22] | iamlindoro: | DROID DID (cost us 100 mil) |
| [20:23:57] | iamlindoro: | Let's just throw something on top of a POSIX OS, and put it on phones and STBs, it worked for apple! |
| [20:24:12] | sphery: | I like pmjoe's response, "If Logitech is bailing on this update, that's unfortunate, as it adds support for Android apps, which is huge." |
| [20:24:46] | sphery: | wow, I think that's a good point--after all, doesn't everyone want to be able to use an app designed for a 3" phone screen on their 46"+ TV screen? |
| [20:25:07] | iamlindoro: | They mean you take Android apps, and make them huge |
| [20:25:20] | sphery: | ahhh, yeah, makes more sense that waty |
| [20:25:32] | sphery: | (and by that, I /don't/ mean HTC Sense |
| [20:26:00] | justinh: | my droid phone still makes me want an iphone |
| [20:26:28] | justinh: | but iTunes makes me not want an iPhone. So keeping the droid kinda works |
| [20:26:48] | sphery: | justinh: hehe, yeah, android is still just a wannabe... Though I'll say that iCloud and iWalledGarden has actually made my parents (who own iPhone 4 phones) want an Android. |
| [20:27:30] | sphery: | yeah, exactly--the iTunes thing is a big part of it |
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| [20:29:18] | justinh: | if only people would stop frickin patenting every single half-decent UI idea they ever had... |
| [20:29:55] | justinh: | anybody filed one for browsing movies via a gallery style interface with a remote control? MINE! |
| [20:29:57] | sphery: | if only the USPTO didn't grant useless/stupid patents for ideas (versus inventions) |
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| [20:31:20] | sphery: | they're now considering allowing even things like algorithms to be patented--because some are making the (valid) claim that there's no real difference between hardware and software (either one could be implemented as the other), but then twisting that to mean that software algorithms are, therefore, inventions just like physical inventions |
| [20:32:20] | justinh: | sigh |
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| [20:36:28] | sphery: | kormoc: so you have to wonder if Apple really will be "revolutionizing" the TV (with the whole, "I finally cracked it," thing – http://news.yahoo.com/steve-jobs-finally-crac . . . 4237724.html ) |
| [20:39:03] | justinh: | Bose Videowave? Wooo. Crashy |
| [20:39:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: well if It's iOS it *would* run my little services experiment ;) |
| [20:39:33] | iamlindoro: | PERFUCT MIFF FRONTEND? |
| [20:39:49] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:41:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Did I ever ask you how the ICO/SOTC remakes were? I have that and Skyrim and trying to decide what to waste my afternoon on |
| [20:41:12] | justinh: | I thought the perfick miffy fwuntent was something arduino based |
| [20:41:55] | sphery: | justinh: anything that starts with an A... arduino, arm, atom--doesn't matter |
| [20:41:59] | wagnerrp: | SOTC graphics look excellent, but im only though a handful of the colossi |
| [20:42:00] | iamlindoro: | I thought it was a fruit pastry |
| [20:42:04] | justinh: | ugh. I just watched a demo video of that Bose thing. |
| [20:42:04] | wagnerrp: | havent played ICO yet |
| [20:42:13] | iamlindoro: | (RaspberryPi) |
| [20:42:29] | justinh: | yeh. forgot about that. as if it doesn't really exist or something |
| [20:42:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ICO is probably the one I'd be more likely to play first, I loved that game-- more poignant to me than SOTC |
| [20:43:15] | iamlindoro: | Still wondering when the last guardian is due... |
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| [20:55:34] | justinh: | Holy crap! A Bose Videowave TV 'only' costs 6 grand |
| [20:55:51] | wagnerrp: | tv? |
| [20:56:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand, why would you want all your sound coming from the TV? |
| [20:57:01] | wagnerrp: | makes as much sense to me as those phased sound bars |
| [20:57:10] | justinh: | if you're hard of thinking it must make some kind of sense |
| [20:58:01] | justinh: | I always tend to think that if having all the speakers in front, but pointed in different directions was the best way to do it, wouldn't cinemas already be done that way? ;-) |
| [20:58:06] | wagnerrp: | ugh... and that onscreen keyboard using a circular scrolling touchpad is painful |
| [20:58:14] | justinh: | it's not circular! |
| [20:58:22] | justinh: | that'll be the key argument when apple sue their asses off |
| [20:58:30] | wagnerrp: | oh, its square |
| [20:58:43] | wagnerrp: | to match up with the buttons placed on the square border of the TV |
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| [20:59:06] | justinh: | oh, a control surface using capacitive touch sensing in a circular pattern? Apple did it first. Er patented it first |
| [20:59:06] | wagnerrp: | its a squareular scrolling touchpad |
| [20:59:35] | justinh: | wow. Integrated HD picture in a TV. Amazing |
| [20:59:51] | justinh: | oh & that 'control panel' thing isn't optional |
| [21:00:02] | wagnerrp: | you mean the external box? |
| [21:00:15] | justinh: | yeah |
| [21:00:24] | wagnerrp: | well, they used up all the available space behind the panel for their waveguide |
| [21:00:33] | wagnerrp: | no room to place the power supply and electronics |
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| [21:00:48] | wagnerrp: | god forbid they make the thing a little thicker |
| [21:01:03] | wagnerrp: | or... put the speakers at various locations around the room |
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| [21:02:11] | wagnerrp: | justinh: in theory, you could produce any 3D positioning data with only two speakers |
| [21:02:26] | justinh: | that thing must weigh a *tonne* |
| [21:02:46] | wagnerrp: | in practice, the output from those speakers would have to be acoustically modeled for the exact location of the viewer, and the physical shape of their head and ears |
| [21:02:57] | wagnerrp: | you would never be able to do it for everyone at once |
| [21:03:30] | wagnerrp: | the Aureal stuff came close, with some generalized models, but it only worked with headphones |
| [21:05:57] | justinh: | so Bose have solved the problem of remotes having too many buttons. And then stamped all over the idea by cluttering the screen up with buttons |
| [21:06:47] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [21:07:11] | wagnerrp: | with a scroll square |
| [21:09:21] | wagnerrp: | can mysql tablenames be prefixed with an underscore? |
| [21:10:45] | justinh: | 99lb? wassat in kilos? |
| [21:11:04] | wagnerrp: | about 37 |
| [21:11:05] | justinh: | holy cow! |
| [21:11:16] | wagnerrp: | nah, low 40s |
| [21:11:23] | justinh: | an LCD TV that weighs as much as a CRT TV |
| [21:11:31] | justinh: | mount *that* on the wall! |
| [21:11:42] | justinh: | better talk to a structural engineer |
| [21:12:02] | justinh: | not quite wise to try & put that up on driwall eh |
| [21:12:04] | wagnerrp: | 99lbs for a 46" CRT is pretty light |
| [21:12:27] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure the 32" and 36" tubes i carried were significantly more than that |
| [21:13:09] | wagnerrp: | i could barely take 32" RCA up the stairs on my own |
| [21:13:19] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, yeah. I bet Apple hedges it's bets and waits a bit before doing anything tv related |
| [21:13:33] | wagnerrp: | and the 36" Trinitron took two people |
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| [21:20:50] | justinh: | my 32" panasonic is like 45 kilos |
| [21:21:02] | justinh: | nearly did myself a mischief putting it on its stand |
| [21:22:24] | wagnerrp: | the real problem with my 32" was the lack of any hand holds |
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| [21:27:26] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah same with mine. and it's a bit too wide to get my arms around properly |
| [21:27:43] | justinh: | it's never going up any stairs, that's for sure |
| [21:27:49] | wagnerrp: | easy solution, roll up the shirt and use that belly grip |
| [21:27:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:28:13] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he's on the hook to document Mark's Frontend Service, too ** | |
| [21:29:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: off hand, do you know if there is any reason why legitimate L4.1 video would need any of that 'vdpaubuffersize' crap? |
| [21:30:15] | iamlindoro: | Not off hand |
| [21:30:19] | iamlindoro: | are we sure it's legit? |
| [21:30:28] | iamlindoro: | as in, within spec |
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| [21:30:37] | wagnerrp: | guy claims its BBC broadcast |
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| [21:50:53] | iamlindoro: | So, Skyrim it is for now |
| [21:51:03] | iamlindoro: | Let's see what all the hubbub is aboot |
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