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| [00:09:46] | high-rez: | How is vaapi support in 0.25 these days? Is it worth investigating, or just not there yet? |
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| [00:34:36] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: do you already have the hardware? or are you looking to purchase? |
| [00:41:13] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: I'm semi considering. :) |
| [00:41:32] | wagnerrp: | if you havent purchased yet, stick with nvidia, or at least avoid amd |
| [00:41:37] | high-rez: | I'd like a nice fanless frontend (e.g. low powered) for th bedroom... |
| [00:41:59] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: AMD/ATi drivers are still that bad eh? |
| [00:42:28] | wagnerrp: | unless youre referring to some mobile 4500MHD system, youre not likely to find an intel VAAPI system that doesnt have plenty of CPU power that you dont need it |
| [00:42:49] | high-rez: | I was thinking of the fusion platform. |
| [00:43:10] | wagnerrp: | i gag as i tell you you're better off with an ION |
| [00:43:26] | high-rez: | :) |
| [00:45:09] | high-rez: | I hate that. I really like my ION system, just because it lacks moving parts. Wish there was a real competition. |
| [00:45:24] | wagnerrp: | there is, if youre using windows |
| [00:45:47] | high-rez: | It seems that the nvidia guys really came out and engaged the community. Not so much for AMD/ATi |
| [00:45:51] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: What is that? |
| [00:46:00] | high-rez: | (I'm not consdering windows, but curious to know : -) |
| [00:46:05] | wagnerrp: | because windows has good AMD graphics drivers |
| [00:46:20] | high-rez: | Ahhh, sure, and its possible to use dxva, right? |
| [00:46:45] | wagnerrp: | in general, yes |
| [00:46:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports dxva, but it doesnt get much use |
| [00:46:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how capable it is |
| [00:47:17] | high-rez: | Yeah. I am jack's lack of interest in a windows based frontend. |
| [00:47:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, well... just stay out of the soap business |
| [00:48:05] | ** high-rez steals lipo fat ** | |
| [00:49:48] | high-rez: | I even looked into wmc, then i realized how the extender platform was implemented and lost all interest. Myth's just a superior design. |
| [00:52:21] | high-rez: | Alright. I guess I'll go home – maybe my cec adapters will be waiting for me. :) |
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| [01:54:50] | iamlindoro: | ffffuuuuuuuu why are there so many public vars to a rec rule |
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| [02:39:05] | jheizer: | Here I am back begging for help again tonight |
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| [02:39:44] | jheizer: | Can't seek on recordings, rebuild index does not fix it, astc and hdpvr recordings |
| [02:40:11] | jheizer: | I thought disabling commflag on recording starting fixed it but I guess not |
| [02:40:24] | jheizer: | happens on linux and mac osx clients |
| [02:40:34] | jheizer: | windows client seems to be able to skip ok though |
| [02:40:52] | wagnerrp: | windows client... windows build of mythfrontend? |
| [02:41:01] | jheizer: | yeah, windows build |
| [02:41:05] | jheizer: | .24 latest |
| [02:41:41] | jheizer: | I do get a few 2011-11–09 20:32:05.133 [mpeg2video @ 0x352bae0]mb incr damaged |
| [02:41:41] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:32:05.157 [mpeg2video @ 0x352bae0]ac-tex damaged at 61 10 |
| [02:41:41] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:32:05.441 [mpeg2video @ 0x352bae0]ac-tex damaged at 29 17 |
| [02:42:20] | jheizer: | oh I guess this recording is from a few days agoe before I disabled the commflag starting asap |
| [02:42:25] | jheizer: | so that is why |
| [02:43:28] | jheizer: | not sure if that did fix it for sure, but none fromt hat rime period worked, while now they seem to mostly |
| [02:44:01] | jheizer: | tempted to run a few backups and give trunk a go for a few days |
| [02:44:10] | jheizer: | see if that cleans it up as I am just at a total loss |
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| [02:48:19] | jheizer: | mythcommflag --file 3431_20111031200000.mpg --rebuild |
| [02:48:20] | jheizer: | |
| [02:48:23] | jheizer: | didn't help |
| [02:49:07] | jheizer: | trying mythtranscode now, but usualy also doesn;t help |
| [02:49:52] | jheizer: | Search..... |
| [02:49:54] | jheizer: | :-( |
| [02:51:38] | jheizer: | these times no errors in the log at all |
| [02:52:22] | jheizer: | just stops after |
| [02:52:23] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:45:02.406 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| [02:52:23] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:45:02.481 [mpeg2video @ 0x1172ae0]mb incr damaged |
| [02:52:23] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:45:02.487 [mpeg2video @ 0x1172ae0]Warning MVs not available |
| [02:52:23] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:45:02.533 ScreenSaverX11Private: DPMS Deactivated 1 |
| [02:52:23] | jheizer: | 2011-11–09 20:45:02.610 VideoOutput: Created YV12 OSD. |
| [02:52:45] | jheizer: | well an error I guess, missed that on first glance |
| [02:54:23] | ** jheizer is ready to jump off a bridge ** | |
| [03:03:07] | sphery: | jheizer: did you run optimize_mythdb.pl ? |
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| [03:03:29] | sphery: | also, generally pastebin is preferred for 3 or more lines |
| [03:03:37] | jheizer: | Yup, didn't come back with any errors |
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| [03:04:05] | gizmobay: | How do you turn off livetv preview when the EPG is up? Also, you use to be able to change the EPG guide shading but I can't find it. |
| [03:04:07] | jheizer: | yeah, sorry. Was going to but figured it was pretty dead in here right now so jsut did it |
| [03:12:13] | gizmobay: | can't be done anymore? |
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| [03:18:05] | jheizer: | converting the mpeg2 to an xvid |
| [03:18:12] | jheizer: | see if that will in turn index and skip |
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| [03:22:47] | sphery: | jheizer: based on your description, sounds like you have a seriously underpowered backend system that's unable to keep up with I/O requirements |
| [03:23:23] | sphery: | jheizer: or you're running your system with MySQL data on a file system that's using ext4 with barriers and, therefore, your mysql performance is insufficient |
| [03:23:40] | jheizer: | hmmm |
| [03:23:43] | jheizer: | ext4 yes |
| [03:23:48] | jheizer: | just read about that the other night |
| [03:24:09] | jheizer: | besides that, X6 16gb ram, OS/DB on raptors, recording on raid5 |
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| [03:24:28] | sphery: | i.e. the problem is not the recording codec or the seek table or even near-real-time commercial detection, but is that your system can't keep up and then messes up recordings and data |
| [03:25:22] | jheizer: | I/O was my only guess with why after disabling the immediate commflag seemed to make things better |
| [03:25:26] | sphery: | jheizer: read posts linked in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493259#493259 |
| [03:25:42] | jheizer: | but still totally lost on why I can skip away on ym windows client but not my linux or osx |
| [03:26:22] | jheizer: | stupid ext4, why did I reinstall with you |
| [03:26:23] | wagnerrp: | windows using dxva, and possibly not using the database seek tables |
| [03:26:32] | jheizer: | ahh |
| [03:29:54] | jheizer: | barrier=0 all mounts and rebooting |
| [03:30:18] | jheizer: | guessing th eother recordings are stuck ever with this updated as since rebuild index was already failing, but can give it a try again |
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| [03:40:46] | jheizer: | doing a test rcording and it seems to be working |
| [03:40:53] | jheizer: | skip has a second or so delay, but working |
| [03:41:17] | jheizer: | hdpvr recording |
| [03:42:57] | jheizer: | thanks for the tip. I hope it is the final nail in the coffin for this issue for me |
| [03:44:28] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [03:52:47] | jheizer: | thanks |
| [03:52:52] | jheizer: | we shall see come tomorrow night |
| [03:53:35] | jheizer: | been a long month of hardware died right before a vacation, order new after vacatiion so box would not be sitting outside, got it togther, error land |
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| [03:55:55] | noisymouse: | hi all, how do I set mythtv's date format for the program guide? |
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| [04:02:54] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so we didn't make note of sphery's favorite news of the day |
| [04:03:05] | iamlindoro: | Adobe to abandon Flash on mobile platforms in favor of HTML5 |
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| [04:03:42] | wagnerrp: | i saw a while back they had written up some application that would convert flash applications into js/html5 |
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| [04:05:30] | SharkMonkey: | iamlindoro, I did check the file system. I thought there might be some chance in a million that mythtv had some kind of trash/recyclebin mechanism. :) |
| [04:05:45] | SharkMonkey: | Oh well. |
| [04:06:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv has a trash/recyclebin mechanism |
| [04:06:53] | iamlindoro: | not for videos it doesn't |
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| [04:07:16] | wagnerrp: | ah, carry-over from other channel |
| [04:13:45] | SharkMonkey: | So having demostrated my incometence in using the interface, would it be easy to remove the delete option from the frontend interface? |
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| [05:11:12] | noisymouse: | how do you set the date format (I want to see the day of the week in program guide, etc) |
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| [05:11:40] | [R]: | if the option isn't in the setting anymore, its theme dependent |
| [05:12:22] | noisymouse: | where was the setting before (I think I remember seeing it) |
| [05:12:30] | [R]: | in the settings somewhere |
| [05:13:11] | noisymouse: | I found it – it's in appearance |
| [05:13:19] | noisymouse: | :/ |
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| [05:14:38] | noisymouse: | on that topic seems like the settings menus are overly esoteric... maybe it should be like some camera menus where all the settings are showing but they are color-coded or something |
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| [05:35:52] | Oleg_: | what if I don't want to tune to virtual channels, but want to tune to physical channels? |
| [05:36:08] | Oleg_: | for example, the physical channel of NBC is 28 |
| [05:36:09] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [05:36:17] | Oleg_: | at least in New York City that's how it is |
| [05:36:29] | wagnerrp: | the 'physical channel' is not something you can watch |
| [05:36:34] | Oleg_: | really? |
| [05:36:42] | wagnerrp: | its a compressed data stream |
| [05:37:03] | wagnerrp: | carrying anywhere from zero to potentially dozens of channels |
| [05:37:29] | wagnerrp: | you need a physical channel, and a program id |
| [05:38:20] | Oleg_: | but virtual channels are not real |
| [05:38:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand what you're getting at |
| [05:39:35] | Oleg_: | ok, it looks like I am not that knowledgeable about this stuff |
| [05:40:18] | wagnerrp: | lets take for example my local NBC station |
| [05:40:27] | wagnerrp: | it broadcasts on channel 35 |
| [05:40:38] | Oleg_: | but I noticed mythtv-setup only looks for physical channels, not for virtual channels |
| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | inside that broadcast, there is the normal NBC video feed, and there is also the standard definition video feed they use for weather and news |
| [05:41:23] | wagnerrp: | ABC does the same thing |
| [05:41:43] | wagnerrp: | my local CBS broadcasts both CBS and CW on the same physical channel |
| [05:41:53] | wagnerrp: | my local FOX carries THIS |
| [05:42:15] | wagnerrp: | my local PBS station has half a dozen virtual channels all on that one physical channel |
| [05:42:57] | wagnerrp: | on digital cable, you have about double the amount of bandwidth per physical channel to play around with |
| [05:43:51] | wagnerrp: | so for me, both the primary feeds for NBC and CBS, plus the weather feed for NBC, and a handful of standard definition channels all come in on physical channel 104 (i think) |
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| [05:47:12] | Oleg_: | but you said that CBS and CW are broadcast on the same physical channel in your area |
| [05:48:44] | Oleg_: | so, it's CBS, CW, and NBC that are broadcast on the same channel in your area? |
| [05:50:49] | wagnerrp: | no, i am recording channels rebroadcast through my cable subscription |
| [05:51:06] | wagnerrp: | the cable company is remixing those channels at their discression |
| [05:51:44] | wagnerrp: | so while CBS and CW are on the same physical channel for broadcast, they are on different physical channels for cable |
| [05:52:05] | wagnerrp: | since they exist as independent data streams within the multiplex |
| [05:52:06] | Oleg_: | oic |
| [05:52:31] | wagnerrp: | when people talk about recording multiple virtual channels within the same multiplex simultaneously |
| [05:52:36] | wagnerrp: | that is what they are talking about |
| [05:52:50] | wagnerrp: | they get multiple channels within the same physical channel |
| [05:53:17] | wagnerrp: | and since the physical channel is what is tuned, you get all the data streams (virtual channels) contained therein |
| [05:53:34] | Oleg_: | ic |
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| [06:41:41] | xris: | iamlindoro: I think I found an odd edge case for your video filename parser.. sesame_street.s01e01.episode_1.m4v |
| [06:41:56] | xris: | it imports as "sesame street s01e" |
| [06:42:12] | wagnerrp: | why not 'sesame_street.s01e01.m4v'? |
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| [06:42:45] | xris: | because of stuff like sesame_street.s05e01.episode_536.m4v |
| [06:43:07] | xris: | http://thetvdb.com/?tab=season&seriesid=7 . . . 05&lid=7 |
| [06:43:12] | xris: | confusing, eh? :) |
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| [06:43:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt currently understand sequential ordering |
| [06:43:52] | wagnerrp: | if anything, that would be included as the subtitle |
| [06:44:05] | xris: | more that it seems to be prioritizing "episode" over the s##e## format |
| [06:45:03] | wagnerrp: | season 5? |
| [06:45:17] | wagnerrp: | did they restart numbering at some point? |
| [06:45:26] | wagnerrp: | i would have figured that to be in season 40something |
| [06:45:30] | xris: | sesame_street.s05e01.episode_536.m4v gets parsed as "sesame street s05e: |
| [06:45:48] | xris: | they really did have more than 100 episodes per season back in the 70s |
| [06:46:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but are those actually the 70s era episodes? |
| [06:46:23] | xris: | yeah |
| [06:46:29] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [06:46:31] | xris: | the "episode ###" bit is the title, as far as tvdb is concerned |
| [06:46:38] | wagnerrp: | PBS sell them on dvd or something? |
| [06:46:47] | xris: | http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Old_School:_Volume_1 |
| [06:46:57] | xris: | only a handful. still pretty cool |
| [06:49:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the regex is choking when it finds the 'episode' |
| [06:50:22] | wagnerrp: | the first chunk of the regex is greedy and pulls as much as it can while still allowing the second half to match |
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| [06:52:36] | wagnerrp: | well if you want to mess around with it without having to recompile the code... |
| [06:52:45] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . heap.py#L931 |
| [06:53:42] | wagnerrp: | >>> vid = Video.fromFilename('sesame_street.s05e01.episode_536.m4v'); vid.title, vid.subtitle, vid.season, vid.episode |
| [06:53:47] | wagnerrp: | ('sesame street s05e', '', 1, 536) |
| [06:55:28] | wagnerrp: | a functional alternative would be sesame_street.s05e01.ep536.m4v |
| [06:55:56] | wagnerrp: | you just cant have the case insensitive string 'episode' |
| [06:56:13] | wagnerrp: | xris, ^^^^^ |
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| [07:29:28] | xris: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's what I suspected. |
| [07:29:38] | xris: | was going to poke around with the regex |
| [07:29:42] | xris: | ep.* will work for now |
| [07:36:43] | xris: | wagnerrp: any reason why that first .* is greedy? seems to me like it shouldn't be |
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| [07:38:03] | wagnerrp: | would have to ask iamlindoro on that one |
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| [07:47:00] | justinh: | heh. stupid user. upgraded for no apparent reason & it broke mysql – but he's not up for doing a reinstall of the OS although his family might campaign to replace it with MCE. Why hesitate? |
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| [07:54:05] | dekarl: | I thought you upgrade your stuff to attract the favored sex ;) |
| [07:57:49] | dekarl: | justinh, what does that mean? "for me installing a complete mythbuntu system is an hours work" |
| [07:57:49] | dekarl: | is it up to around an hour for the complete setup from scratch, or is it lots of hours? |
| [07:58:44] | justinh: | around an hour for the whole install from scratch |
| [07:58:54] | justinh: | if you know what you're doing :-) |
| [07:58:59] | wagnerrp: | with a sufficiently fast system, i could probably get an install running in under an hour |
| [07:59:23] | justinh: | especially if you have supported hardware (IR gear etc) |
| [07:59:47] | dekarl: | ok, that's my experience, too. reinstalled earlier this year to see how it (Mythbuntu) works out-of-the-box without fiddling. |
| [07:59:56] | justinh: | but if you're an awkward bugger like me, who uses a universal remote – no ready-made config file will ever do |
| [08:00:33] | justinh: | you can still mess up a mythbuntu install pretty easily though. Like if you just plough on through it blindly dismissing dialogs |
| [08:00:46] | justinh: | but that isn't mythbuntu's fault |
| [08:00:55] | dekarl: | ahh, but so will you when installing this WMC |
| [08:01:42] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:02:19] | justinh: | so what's with all this upgrading things for no reason? Do people think it'll make them better in bed – is that it? |
| [08:02:29] | dekarl: | I think so. |
| [08:02:44] | wagnerrp: | each patch gives you half an inch! |
| [08:02:55] | dekarl: | that would be cool spam :D |
| [08:03:04] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [08:03:20] | dekarl: | The only reason for upgrades would be "see if it works and fix the bugs on the new version" |
| [08:04:44] | dekarl: | Users are funny "no, I'm not doing a channel scan, it's to risky!" and then wander off and hit "go distro upgrade" |
| [08:05:03] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [08:05:16] | justinh: | yeah because most distros are so damn unstable we're all just twitching to upgrade |
| [08:05:44] | ** wagnerrp finds his upgrades to be a zero risk proposition ** | |
| [08:06:00] | justinh: | I find them an inconvenience more than anything else |
| [08:06:34] | justinh: | I dist upgrade when I replace the root HDD in my backend before it dies (hopefully *before* it dies) |
| [08:06:40] | wagnerrp: | i mean for me, reverting an upgrade is no further than a 60 second reboot |
| [08:06:45] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: but you're using freebsd :) |
| [08:07:00] | wagnerrp: | one of my backends, and all my frontends, run gentoo |
| [08:07:10] | wagnerrp: | only the master and fileserver run bsd |
| [08:07:37] | wagnerrp: | of course for the master backend, reverting is more like 15 seconds |
| [08:07:52] | justinh: | so what.. do you have multiple partitions for the revisions or something? |
| [08:08:05] | dekarl: | sounds like filesystem snapshots |
| [08:08:19] | wagnerrp: | my backend lives in a jail (like vservers) |
| [08:08:30] | justinh: | yeah but restoring a FS snapshot in 60 secs would be good going |
| [08:08:37] | wagnerrp: | sitting in its own snapshotted zfs filesystem |
| [08:09:18] | wagnerrp: | takes about a second to terminate the jail, maybe ten more to recursively roll back the filesystem, and another couple more to start the jail back up and restart the backend |
| [08:09:42] | wagnerrp: | my gentoo boxes are on iscsi disk images |
| [08:09:52] | wagnerrp: | and i keep the last three images |
| [08:09:54] | justinh: | sounds interesting. could be a good way to evaluate master periodically – even with a remote frontend if you go diskless |
| [08:10:22] | wagnerrp: | so i just select a different image from the pxelinux menu and boot into the old version |
| [08:10:28] | dekarl: | note to self, fix mythbuntu-control-center's diskless server plugin... |
| [08:13:08] | justinh: | how big is a filesystem image then? |
| [08:13:17] | justinh: | I mean for a typical backend installation |
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| [08:14:10] | justinh: | ah sod it I've got plenty of space. I'm going to try it out |
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| [08:17:20] | Unguided: | Hello All! I was wondering how easy it would be to run mythtv in a virtual machine? |
| [08:18:21] | dekarl: | Unguided: why in a virtual machine? |
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| [08:18:35] | justinh: | BECAUSE! |
| [08:18:49] | dekarl: | aahh, then just slap an mythbuntu install on the vm and you're done |
| [08:18:53] | justinh: | THEY'RE TEH AWESOM! (and all the cool kidz are doing it) |
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| [08:19:19] | Unguided: | because I want to install it on my ubuntu based zentyal server and I know I am going to run into problems with the firewall and thought it would be easier to go this route |
| [08:19:30] | justinh: | no. it won't be easier |
| [08:19:39] | justinh: | not if you have PCI tuner cards :P |
| [08:20:14] | dekarl: | and the firewall will be just a handful of rules |
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| [08:21:02] | dekarl: | it's not as if mythtv used lots of sekrit ports to call back to the mothership |
| [08:21:19] | Unguided: | I was going to use HD homerun prime. If it is jsut ahndful of rules then i should be able to install it right on the zentyal box itself |
| [08:21:37] | justinh: | it's not as if mythtv is a massive memory hog, or able to bring a box down |
| [08:22:03] | justinh: | or indeed inherently unstable |
| [08:22:24] | Beirdo: | umm. on the massive memory hog... you kidding me? |
| [08:23:27] | justinh: | mythbackend? nah |
| [08:23:42] | Beirdo: | it's still hoggier than it needs to be |
| [08:23:58] | justinh: | it's no Firefox with the Flash plugin though is it? :-D |
| [08:24:09] | Beirdo: | heh. Nope |
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| [08:25:52] | Family: | Is there a plugin for downloading public domain torrents? |
| [08:25:54] | justinh: | anyway, running mythbackend (note I said BACKEND not mythtv – running video playback in a VM is likely going to suck) in a VM... like installing mythbackend on any other system – but with the added complexity of having to manage VM images. If you can even call it complexity. |
| [08:25:56] | dekarl: | backend+mysql has allocated 1.2gb after a goo week with 300mb really in memory, I'd not call that a memory hog. (4 DVB cards and like 50 channels with 3–4 weeks of guide data) |
| [08:25:59] | justinh: | Family: no |
| [08:26:16] | dekarl: | Family: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Bittorrent |
| [08:26:38] | justinh: | and no arguing. them's the rules here. don't like it? get out :-) |
| [08:27:32] | Family: | Ok |
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| [08:29:22] | Unguided: | Thank you all for your help. now off to bed its 330AM. Thanks again |
| [08:29:52] | justinh: | NB: It's better to install mythtv when you are awake ;) |
| [08:30:03] | justinh: | I mean *wide* awake. Less time-consuming mistakes |
| [08:30:21] | Unguided: | ageed |
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| [08:38:45] | justinh: | meh. too much like work, this chrooting lark |
| [08:41:02] | justinh: | blimeys. £99 for a 1280B SSD |
| [08:41:07] | justinh: | er 120MB |
| [08:41:40] | laga: | GB? |
| [08:41:48] | justinh: | might get one. then maybe it'll be safe to have my laptop on when my son is around |
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| [08:41:56] | justinh: | GB. yeah. LOL. 120GB |
| [08:44:35] | justinh: | hmm. need to borrow an accelerometer to find out why these DVR fans are smashing when customers are using them in ordinary use |
| [08:51:43] | justinh: | bet a 120GB HDD is about the same price as that SSD now :D |
| [08:53:34] | laga: | what kind of SSD is that? probably with an "indijinx" controller and no-name flash? ;) |
| [08:53:47] | laga: | the kind of flash that starts at sector 0 again once you reach 60gb |
| [09:02:09] | justinh: | nah, OCZ. Ebuyer.com are doing em |
| [09:04:59] | Beirdo: | OK, there's the first part done... |
| [09:05:25] | Beirdo: | have OpenCL and VDPAU both contacting the GPU |
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| [10:28:22] | lapion: | hello, do I need sfcbd for mythtv ? |
| [10:28:57] | justinh: | no |
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| [10:29:53] | justinh: | how long have you been hanging out here – and you don't know what mythtv requires? Heh |
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| [10:30:47] | justinh: | if your myth install is so flaky you need to monitor it, then using a band aid to fix it isn't really helping. you'd be wanting to *solve* the problems not work around them |
| [10:31:07] | lapion: | hmm I see sfcbd is only growing on my myth server/client and nowhere else |
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| [11:23:21] | CiaranG: | Anyone ever used this feature and got it to work? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library#Folder_Images |
| [11:23:36] | CiaranG: | i.e. placing the named file there, as per the first sentence |
| [11:23:43] | CiaranG: | Has no effect for me |
| [11:23:49] | justinh: | yes. works fine for me |
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| [11:24:56] | justinh: | BTW the 'named file' has to be folder.jpg or folder.png |
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| [11:45:54] | justinh: | CiaranG: http://imagebin.org/183472 in the 'Home Movies' directory is a file called folder.png |
| [11:46:37] | ** laga pokes CiaranG ** | |
| [11:47:17] | CiaranG: | Hmm, ok, thanks. Wonder why it's not working for me then |
| [11:47:30] | justinh: | tried restarting mythfrontend? |
| [11:47:46] | justinh: | or just backing out of mythvideo completely & then going back in? |
| [11:47:51] | CiaranG: | Yeah. And tried a front end that wasn't even powered up when I added the file |
| [11:48:01] | justinh: | permissions? |
| [11:48:05] | CiaranG: | Checked |
| [11:48:25] | CiaranG: | The only difference is I called mine the name of the folder (.png) – I will try folder.png just in case the documentation is lying |
| [11:48:47] | justinh: | no it has to be called *folder* . png/gif/jpg |
| [11:48:52] | justinh: | not the name of the folder |
| [11:49:12] | CiaranG: | Oh, ha |
| [11:49:16] | CiaranG: | I can't read can I, lol |
| [11:49:17] | justinh: | the wiki article doesn't say NOT to make the file called the $FOLDERNAME but folder |
| [11:49:34] | CiaranG: | Right, it works now, thanks :) |
| [11:49:58] | CiaranG: | "As a fallback, you can place any image in the folder and it will be used" <--- that bit is clearly not true though, right? |
| [11:50:58] | justinh: | apparently not |
| [11:51:10] | justinh: | any image, so long as it's called folder.* :P |
| [12:04:43] | justinh: | LOL. "explain how to bring up the menu containing 'Scan For Changes'". Yeah. PRESS MENU. Idiot |
| [12:05:00] | justinh: | "explain how to press a button". Doofus |
| [12:05:24] | CiaranG: | Well I guess if you have a keyboard, you have to know that 'M' is Menu |
| [12:06:05] | CiaranG: | I don't have any dedicated remotes, just wireless keyboards |
| [12:06:13] | justinh: | eew |
| [12:06:19] | CiaranG: | Which is kind of stupid because they get dropped on the floor all the time and need replacing |
| [12:06:58] | justinh: | I originally thought I'd need a wireless mouse & keyboard – but without web browsing you can totally get by for *years* without |
| [12:07:22] | CiaranG: | I do use mythmote quite a lot as well |
| [12:07:30] | CiaranG: | (on android) |
| [12:08:00] | justinh: | adding a mouse to a mythtv system is a lot like putting bits of plastic on pushbike wheels to make it sound more like a motorbike |
| [12:10:17] | CiaranG: | Top Trumps and a clothes peg |
| [12:11:13] | CiaranG: | I can't imagine what you'd use a mouse for. But none of my mythtv systems are *just* mythtv systems, so they all do have a mouse, which occasionally gets used |
| [12:15:21] | lapion: | well I have a 2 monitor mythtv system with a 22" CRT and I use my mouse to bring mythtv to the frond, and occasionally select an option |
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| [12:16:38] | lapion: | CiaranG, but I also use it sometimes to open the pull-down dialogs, because there is no way to do that with the keyboard |
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| [12:17:58] | CiaranG: | I never thought about wanting to pull them down – left/right cycle through the options |
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| [12:20:14] | lapion: | sometimes you want to see what the options are without having to remember each.. |
| [12:22:05] | ** lapion wishes he had a touch screen as a tertiary screen to use as a control panel ** | |
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| [12:29:59] | justinh: | not having any means to go BACK in mythtv's menus with a mouse is a drawback, though |
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| [13:21:52] | Twiggy2cents: | hmm should I use a brand new fedora 16 on my new FE or go with fedora 15? |
| [13:23:40] | justinh: | hmm should I take the blue pill, or the red pill? |
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| [13:25:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Should I be leary of installing a new distro that was publically released 2 days ago? |
| [13:27:10] | justinh: | go with what you know. that's what I always say |
| [13:29:20] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, last time I did an upgrade the day it came out it turned out that gnome 3(?) didnt support dual x servers. At least not at that moment. That was the last thing I was setting up. So I installed kde4 and it had issues until I reformatted and used a kde spin. |
| [13:29:28] | Twiggy2cents: | After that I think I learned my lesson. |
| [13:32:38] | iamlindoro: | Oh jesus christ |
| [13:32:40] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11443077&postcount=9 |
| [13:33:01] | iamlindoro: | I just can't wait to see what comes out of that little gem |
| [13:33:02] | laga: | iamlindoro: why did you have to subject me to that |
| [13:33:57] | iamlindoro: | Haha, next response: "OK! I did not know that! I will test it later today!" |
| [13:34:03] | justinh: | 100% Pure Ignorance |
| [13:34:04] | iamlindoro: | Tune in tonight for the exciting conclusion! |
| [13:34:28] | justinh: | tools required: Dremel or sharp hacksaw |
| [13:38:22] | justinh: | I used to work with a guy who 'by mistake' tried to put a pci VGA card into an agp slot. Or vice-versa. |
| [13:38:34] | justinh: | it went. sssssssssssssplit-crack! |
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| [13:56:05] | Yancho: | guys an athlon xp / 768 ram / geeforce mx420 should do the trick for a base mythtv? |
| [13:56:47] | justinh: | base mythtv ? what do you mean? what do you intend to do with it? |
| [13:57:19] | Yancho: | scheduled recording and then play afterwards |
| [13:57:23] | justinh: | of what? |
| [13:57:39] | justinh: | standard definition television? probably. |
| [13:57:43] | Yancho: | dvb-t freeview |
| [13:58:07] | justinh: | nvidia mx series generally have pretty crap TV output though |
| [13:58:33] | Yancho: | which agp do u sugguest then? |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | oh wait.. mx? MX is > GF4 right? |
| [13:59:12] | justinh: | I thought MX was like GF2-ish. It's probably OK then |
| [13:59:47] | justinh: | tv encoders on a couple of GF2 cards I had were utter rubbish. chrontel junk |
| [14:00:09] | Yancho: | errr im installing ubuntu on this machine to burn it a bit – tghoughts its a 420 mx .. not sure if it got replaced on the way |
| [14:00:48] | Yancho: | the 420 (if thats what it is) needs to be replaced .. doing loads of artifacts |
| [14:00:56] | Yancho: | might be inclined to cook it .. but not too sure yet |
| [14:01:11] | justinh: | loads of artifacts? |
| [14:01:24] | Yancho: | color mismatches .. funny lines etc |
| [14:02:56] | Yancho: | tv tuner i have: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion ctx 918 medion |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | heh. ALDI special |
| [14:03:55] | Yancho: | aldi ? |
| [14:04:34] | justinh: | yeah. ALDI sell lots of Medion junk |
| [14:04:39] | justinh: | s/junk/stuff/ |
| [14:04:50] | Yancho: | no idea who aldi is am afriad :S |
| [14:05:03] | Yancho: | ow a supermarket |
| [14:08:25] | justinh: | wouldn't be too sure that card will work in linux |
| [14:08:38] | Yancho: | according to linuxtv it does :S |
| [14:09:19] | justinh: | oh right. I missed it because the model no. wasn't highlighted |
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| [14:10:28] | justinh: | hahaha. A MODEM on a DVB-T tuner card? Whatever next |
| [14:10:46] | Yancho: | yeah i found it highly stupid / strange / unnecessary and idiotic |
| [14:10:55] | Yancho: | but if it works .. :D |
| [14:12:20] | justinh: | nice. composite & svideo inputs are relegated to headers on the board. Nice deterrent |
| [14:12:41] | laga: | yeah, that stuff probably also uses the AMR slot |
| [14:13:04] | laga: | oh, that thing probably doesn't |
| [14:13:06] | justinh: | I've seen Medion Home Media PCs with front/rear panel SCART sockets |
| [14:13:14] | justinh: | they prolly used those cards inside |
| [14:13:47] | justinh: | that's a bit silly though, since MCE never supported framegrabbers |
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| [14:37:00] | Yancho: | justinh, so any gpu u recommend for my machine pls? the moment it tries to draw more than 16 colors i start seeing loads of colors on the monitor |
| [14:37:25] | laga: | that's probably because it's drawing more than 16 colors |
| [14:37:48] | Yancho: | i guess its just dying a slow death |
| [14:39:37] | qwebirc94456: | Question...My mythfrontend.log file is full of the following two messages....I turned off transcoding and didn't get the errors any more but when I turned it back on the messages are back....it seems to be when the mpg file is deleted after the nuv file is created....I'm almost certain this is a bug but how do I check for sure? |
| [14:39:55] | qwebirc94456: | 2011-11–10 00:25:45.684 ProgramInfo(1030_20111109210000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1030_20111109210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. 2011-11–10 00:25:45.684 PlaybackBoxHelper Error: CHECK_AVAILABILITY 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1030_20111109210000.mpg' file not found |
| [14:43:47] | Yancho: | will a mx4000 do the trick? 64 ddr has a s-video and component video out |
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| [14:46:35] | justinh: | *composite* |
| [14:47:25] | Yancho: | yeah lol wrong copy |
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| [15:26:28] | wagnerrp: | justinh: since im using all COW storage, it really doesnt take that much |
| [15:27:06] | wagnerrp: | the base image is 5GB, a 4GB JFS partition, and 1GB of swap |
| [15:27:47] | wagnerrp: | kernel source and portage scratch space are in separate images, and the portage tree is NFS mounted |
| [15:27:55] | wagnerrp: | so im only using about half that |
| [15:28:48] | wagnerrp: | each 'emerge world' eats up maybe 100–200MB of space |
| [15:29:38] | wagnerrp: | the base image is then cloned (free) for each of three systems, and a couple of config files are overlayed to differentiate each |
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| [15:29:49] | sid3windr: | MOOOO. Cow storage. |
| [15:30:05] | wagnerrp: | after that, its whatever changes on that image until the next time i cycle them |
| [15:30:15] | wagnerrp: | so log files and theme cache |
| [15:30:31] | jedix: | hey, anyone have a good line to use to encode HD shows to mkv's? probably using h264 and some high quality audio? |
| [15:30:40] | wagnerrp: | swap never gets used, so its generally a few dozen to a few hundred MB |
| [15:30:51] | wagnerrp: | jedix: why? |
| [15:31:14] | jedix: | wagnerrp: because my recorded hd shows are about 7–8gb/hours after commercials are cut |
| [15:31:29] | jedix: | I'd like to archive a smaller version |
| [15:31:38] | wagnerrp: | until this recent hard drive scarcity due to flooding, you really didnt save that much in expense |
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| [15:31:55] | jedix: | I'm planning for the future |
| [15:31:56] | wagnerrp: | when you compare the cost of storage, to the electrical cost of compressing that content |
| [15:32:52] | jedix: | well, you do back it up |
| [15:33:06] | jedix: | right? |
| [15:33:12] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is at maximum 8.7GB/hr, and clipping commercials is going to cut out at least 30% of that, so 6GB/hr |
| [15:33:18] | wagnerrp: | not 7–8 |
| [15:33:33] | wagnerrp: | i archive to a RAID array, yes |
| [15:33:45] | jedix: | I only have 142G free |
| [15:34:09] | wagnerrp: | if it were a month ago, i would have told yo to buy another hard drive |
| [15:34:13] | wagnerrp: | what CPU do you have? |
| [15:34:33] | jedix: | yeah, I'll buy that.. shows are about 5–6gb, you're right |
| [15:34:52] | jedix: | Q6600 |
| [15:35:22] | wagnerrp: | so, youre running a fairly old C2Q |
| [15:35:32] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre on the wrong side of the efficiency curve |
| [15:35:50] | wagnerrp: | h264 was only designed to be double the compression efficiency as mpeg2 |
| [15:36:16] | jedix: | okay.. |
| [15:36:28] | wagnerrp: | and differences between compressors (x264 is very good), you may be able to cut those 6GB recordings down to 2GB without significant loss |
| [15:36:54] | jedix: | I could use one of my i7–2600K to encode if that's what you are thinking |
| [15:37:17] | wagnerrp: | prices before the hard drive spike puts that at around $0.14 saved |
| [15:37:49] | jedix: | well, I mirror the data to another machine, so really I'd save 4gb x2, right? |
| [15:38:20] | jedix: | and then if you want to include the amount of power it takes to transfer it.. |
| [15:38:26] | justinh: | mirror? teevee? heh |
| [15:38:36] | wagnerrp: | i would consider that just being inefficient |
| [15:39:42] | jedix: | if I could trust the commercial detection more, I'd automate it, but it seems there are still about 2 times a week where I have to edit the clippings |
| [15:39:55] | jedix: | you would consider what being inefficient? |
| [15:40:05] | jedix: | mirroring? |
| [15:40:09] | wagnerrp: | the developers themselves dont trust the commercial detection more |
| [15:40:29] | wagnerrp: | which is why you cannot automatically duplicate the skip list onto the cutlist and transcode it |
| [15:40:31] | jedix: | what do you mean `more`? |
| [15:40:50] | wagnerrp: | but an hour long recording should take 3–4 minutes to clip |
| [15:41:02] | jedix: | by hand? |
| [15:41:05] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [15:41:06] | justinh: | yeah |
| [15:41:12] | jedix: | yeah, that sounds about right |
| [15:41:18] | justinh: | even just checking cutpoints yourself |
| [15:41:21] | jedix: | I'm sure it gets faster after you get used to it |
| [15:41:40] | justinh: | a few minutes to clip an hour show is good going |
| [15:41:45] | wagnerrp: | justinh: actually, its about that from scratch, not using the skip list as a guide |
| [15:41:59] | justinh: | depends how wrong the flagger gets it |
| [15:42:10] | jedix: | how do you import the clip list? |
| [15:42:12] | wagnerrp: | "not using the skip list as a guide" |
| [15:42:14] | justinh: | you're likely better off doing it from scratch in some cases anyway |
| [15:42:15] | wagnerrp: | 'z' |
| [15:42:37] | jedix: | I've just been pressing the e key to start editing and do it from there. |
| [15:42:41] | jedix: | I think it's e |
| [15:42:47] | jedix: | something around e on qwerty anyways |
| [15:42:53] | jedix: | w or q? |
| [15:42:57] | wagnerrp: | 'e' enters edit mode |
| [15:43:01] | jedix: | yeah |
| [15:43:08] | wagnerrp: | 'z' imports the skip list in edit mode |
| [15:43:11] | jedix: | so if you edit it, you can press z to go to the cut list? |
| [15:43:24] | wagnerrp: | skip list |
| [15:43:45] | wagnerrp: | commercial detector creates a skip list, edit mode creates a cut list |
| [15:43:47] | jedix: | right, sorry |
| [15:44:14] | jedix: | so I'd like to encode them with a good codec to compress them to save space |
| [15:44:24] | jedix: | you say x264 is better than h264? |
| [15:44:45] | justinh: | x264 *is* h.264 |
| [15:44:57] | jedix: | oh |
| [15:45:01] | wagnerrp: | anyway, with good compression on that i7, youre looking at 4–5hrs for an hour long recording |
| [15:45:02] | jedix: | and what is h.263? |
| [15:45:05] | justinh: | or rather h.264 is the codec |
| [15:45:11] | wagnerrp: | the c2q would be more like 6–8hrs |
| [15:45:19] | justinh: | der.. x264 is the encoder |
| [15:46:14] | wagnerrp: | h.263 is a low-bitrate-optimized codec, rarely used for stored vidoe |
| [15:47:28] | justinh: | e.g. mobile phone video :) |
| [15:48:19] | wagnerrp: | anyway, when you consider that C2Q running full out for 6–8 hours, youre talking around 1kWh, or $0.10-$0.15 depending on your local rates |
| [15:48:34] | wagnerrp: | compared to next to nothing if you let it standby |
| [15:48:44] | wagnerrp: | or maybe a quarter of that idled with the disks spun down |
| [15:49:24] | justinh: | transcoding. it's just like virtualisation |
| [15:49:30] | wagnerrp: | the i7 fares better, more powerful, and less consumption while full out |
| [15:49:34] | wagnerrp: | so you do come out ahead |
| [15:49:41] | wagnerrp: | but not by a whole lot |
| [15:49:43] | justinh: | i.e. loads of people do it, but they don't really know why |
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| [15:50:25] | jedix: | local rate is 5–10c based on time of use |
| [15:50:28] | wagnerrp: | if we could use something like the elegato encoder chip, or the hardware encoder built into that i7, transcoding would be much more efficient |
| [15:50:38] | jedix: | 5.6–10.7c/kw |
| [15:51:18] | jedix: | virtualization has its place |
| [15:51:27] | wagnerrp: | if we could transcoding using graphics hardware, it would be a lot faster, and modestly more efficient depending on the quality of the code |
| [15:51:56] | wagnerrp: | (badaboom is not significantly more efficient than x264 on a CPU with comparable quality last i checked benchmarks) |
| [15:52:51] | wagnerrp: | anyway.... general opinion around here, transcode for device compatibility, not space |
| [15:53:14] | wagnerrp: | i.e. transcode for a streaming box that only does h264, or for a mobile phone, or for a laptop with limited storage |
| [15:53:17] | wagnerrp: | that sort of thing |
| [15:53:45] | jedix: | wbn to have them encoded to take on trips on the laptop |
| [15:54:16] | wagnerrp: | how big is the disk on the laptop? |
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| [15:55:01] | wagnerrp: | it would be worth it on an ultra-mobile with an SSD, perhaps not so much on a standard laptop with a 2.5" rotating disk |
| [15:56:43] | Oleg_: | I need to enable the read-write support for a ufs2 partition in the linux kernel |
| [15:57:57] | jedix: | dunno.. 250 maybe? |
| [15:57:57] | justinh: | that's nice dear |
| [15:58:08] | jedix: | but I'm looking at ssd's |
| [15:58:29] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: if you need that, i dare say youre doing something wrong |
| [15:58:55] | jedix: | oh, is there a way I can print the recording rules directly from the sql db? the big bang theory is getting recorded twice every time it airs |
| [15:59:10] | wagnerrp: | twice on the same channel? |
| [15:59:39] | jedix: | the exact same airing |
| [15:59:39] | justinh: | jedix: we strongly discourage people futzing around with the database |
| [15:59:43] | wagnerrp: | or would this be once on two copies of the same channel? (one HD and one SD) |
| [15:59:45] | jedix: | ah, okay. |
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| [16:00:06] | jedix: | they're both HD |
| [16:00:08] | justinh: | (on account of all the morons who manage to break stuff irrepairably) |
| [16:00:14] | Oleg_: | well, I can't mount an ext4 partition as ro or rw under freebsd. I can't mount ext4 as a network partition 'cause my network player doesn't recognize ext4 partitions |
| [16:00:23] | wagnerrp: | i mean, are they the same channel on the same source? |
| [16:00:35] | jedix: | I tried cleaning out all the rules and stuff because I just bought a sub to SD.. so we'll see if it's fixed tonight |
| [16:00:42] | Oleg_: | I guess I can still mount ext4 as a network partition under qemu |
| [16:00:44] | jedix: | yeah, I think so. |
| [16:00:46] | justinh: | Oleg_: wth difference does the FS type make on a network mount? |
| [16:00:50] | wagnerrp: | do you still have EIT enabled? |
| [16:00:51] | Oleg_: | but I don't know how to do it |
| [16:00:54] | jedix: | no |
| [16:00:58] | jedix: | I disabled EIT |
| [16:01:14] | wagnerrp: | i would double check that first |
| [16:01:26] | wagnerrp: | mixing guide data like that results in such issues |
| [16:01:40] | wagnerrp: | since the two different sources will break matching |
| [16:01:54] | wagnerrp: | EIT will not have the programid that SD provides |
| [16:02:05] | wagnerrp: | and will almost certainly use a different description |
| [16:02:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will view it as a different episode |
| [16:02:28] | jedix: | I was using EIT only until this week, so maybe I'll see if SD fixes this issue tonight. |
| [16:02:46] | jedix: | new ep on Thursdays! |
| [16:03:07] | wagnerrp: | WTF... |
| [16:03:27] | wagnerrp: | MSI released an iphone app to allow you to remotely overclock your motherboard and graphics cards |
| [16:03:58] | wagnerrp: | seems theres an app for retarded |
| [16:04:00] | Oleg_: | justinh, okay, I probably phrased it incorrectly. My network player probably doesn't have the interface which would enable me to mount a hard disk as a network partition |
| [16:04:03] | jedix: | Asus has something like that over bluetooth |
| [16:04:15] | jedix: | epic fail. |
| [16:04:59] | wagnerrp: | if youre actually overclocking with intent, you're not going to be dynamically adjusting things like that, since youre too close to the stability limit |
| [16:05:15] | Oleg_: | which means my only option is to use a virtual emulator if I want to mount that hard drive as a network filesystem under freebsd |
| [16:05:30] | Oleg_: | unless I have other options I am unaware of |
| [16:05:33] | wagnerrp: | if youre not overclocking with intent, then you dont need to be able to adjust it on a whim like that |
| [16:05:57] | jedix: | Oleg_: would that fuse stuff work? |
| [16:06:02] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: it sounds like youre simply trying to make things far more difficult than they need to be |
| [16:06:25] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, then tell me how to mount an ext4 partition under freebsd. |
| [16:06:30] | wagnerrp: | you cant |
| [16:06:41] | Oleg_: | exactly |
| [16:06:46] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to use linux, stick to linux filesystems |
| [16:06:53] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to use freebsd, stick to freebsd filesystems |
| [16:07:11] | wagnerrp: | the only things you can mix and match are probably going to be FAT, UDF, and ZFS |
| [16:07:38] | Oleg_: | jedix, let me check |
| [16:08:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand where your network player factors into any of this |
| [16:09:19] | jedix: | Oleg_: you could mount it as ext2 if you're not using any of the better qualities of ext4 |
| [16:09:30] | jedix: | I assume this is to migrate off ext4 |
| [16:09:58] | wagnerrp: | you can mount ext3 as ext2 if you forgo the journalling extensions |
| [16:10:04] | wagnerrp: | you cannot do so with ext4 |
| [16:10:13] | wagnerrp: | it is not compatible in that manner |
| [16:10:18] | Oleg_: | even fuse stuff won't help? |
| [16:10:48] | wagnerrp: | only if you can find a fuse application that supports those filesystems |
| [16:11:08] | jedix: | it is if he doesn't use extents |
| [16:12:16] | jedix: | although extents are defaulted to on for quite a while when formatting.. |
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| [16:22:42] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [16:29:17] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... 'public domain torrents'? |
| [16:29:24] | wagnerrp: | i doubt that would get much use |
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| [16:30:43] | wagnerrp: | justinh: wonder why that guy even asked that |
| [16:30:58] | wagnerrp: | sounds like he knows our policy about not-public-domain torrents |
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| [16:44:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: wherezis? |
| [16:44:49] | wagnerrp: | last night, around 3:30 EST |
| [16:44:56] | wagnerrp: | i guess just after midnight your time |
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| [16:45:47] | iamlindoro: | Why am I the only one people go ape on when I say stuff like that? ;) |
| [16:45:58] | iamlindoro: | Justin tells them to get on out and they just roll over |
| [16:46:00] | iamlindoro: | must be the accent |
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| [16:52:20] | wagnerrp: | stupid mysql command line client cant handle unicode |
| [16:52:38] | wagnerrp: | screws up the column padding |
| [16:53:21] | ** wagnerrp goes a'banning ** | |
| [16:53:32] | mmiller: | content providers need to get a clue. |
| [16:54:54] | wagnerrp: | in what way? |
| [16:55:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: when we get tons of them at once, are they all form the same IP? Any way to throttle to, say, one per IP per day? |
| [16:55:20] | iamlindoro: | Sorry, people behind NAT in offices ;) |
| [16:57:08] | wagnerrp: | see PM |
| [16:57:29] | wagnerrp: | theyre all different IPs, but all originating in poland, with polish email addresses |
| [16:57:34] | wagnerrp: | and exactly 14 character user names |
| [16:57:48] | wagnerrp: | most dont bother to authenticate |
| [16:57:57] | wagnerrp: | also, you seem to have lost your voice |
| [16:59:04] | wagnerrp: | may not be specifically polish IPs, but they only come from an handful of class As |
| [16:59:26] | wagnerrp: | mostly 94, but a couple others |
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| [17:03:07] | wagnerrp: | i could add a trigger for 14 character usernames, that would block any registering email with the .pl ccTLD |
| [17:03:13] | wagnerrp: | that would get most |
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| [17:03:37] | wagnerrp: | maybe add in an address space check for the rest |
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| [18:09:11] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: am i right in thinking that you were one of the authors of the perl bindings? |
| [18:09:18] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:09:36] | Peitolm: | oh, |
| [18:09:45] | wagnerrp: | the only time i touch perl is minor tweeks to others' scripts |
| [18:09:47] | Peitolm: | do you know who did? |
| [18:09:54] | Peitolm: | looking for some documentation on it |
| [18:11:08] | wagnerrp: | it was originally forked out of nuvexport, so primarily xris |
| [18:11:26] | wagnerrp: | with bits from other developers, and more recently beirdo |
| [18:13:09] | Peitolm: | thanksco |
| [18:13:16] | xris: | at this point I've been telling people it's probably better to just stick with the python bindings |
| [18:13:30] | Peitolm: | thanks, finally found it on the system, so I'll take a look at the module |
| [18:13:33] | xris: | I don't know how out of date the perl ones are |
| [18:13:42] | xris: | though I'd happily take patches if they're busted |
| [18:15:17] | Peitolm: | o.k. i'll take a look, I see it's commented, which will help |
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| [18:35:26] | heyme: | hello i have mythtv 23 installed with a hd pvr when i watch tv it takes all my cpu power is this normal |
| [18:35:36] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [18:35:58] | heyme: | dual core 3.2ghz |
| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | processor family? |
| [18:36:13] | heyme: | 4 gigs ram |
| [18:36:17] | heyme: | intel |
| [18:36:21] | wagnerrp: | .... |
| [18:36:35] | heyme: | core dou |
| [18:36:50] | wagnerrp: | core duo or core 2 duo |
| [18:37:28] | heyme: | core 2 dui |
| [18:37:28] | heyme: | duo |
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| [18:39:00] | wagnerrp: | the output of an HDPVR at full bitrate should eat up somewhere around 2.4GHz on the Core 2 architecture |
| [18:39:11] | wagnerrp: | meaning you should be seeing around 75% load on one core |
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| [18:39:56] | heyme: | well 109 on both cores |
| [18:40:45] | heyme: | but i try output in xine 2% cpu |
| [18:41:08] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [18:41:59] | heyme: | nvidia g210 |
| [18:43:02] | wagnerrp: | then if you switch to the VDPAU Slim playback profile, you will be using the hardware decoder in your GPU for everything, and your CPU load should be around 2% |
| [18:43:50] | wagnerrp: | with properly configured software decoding, you should be running around 75% (of one core) for decoding, and maybe another 20–30% for deinterlacing |
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| [18:44:24] | wagnerrp: | and '109 on both cores' simply makes no sense |
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| [18:44:30] | wagnerrp: | as you cannot use more than 100% of a single core |
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| [18:44:45] | Peitolm: | 109% sounds like 1 core + 9% |
| [18:44:54] | wagnerrp: | if its 109% spread between both cores, then you would be right at the estimate i gave you for software decoding |
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| [18:45:33] | heyme: | so nvidia g210 can do v |
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| [18:45:38] | wagnerrp: | dpau |
| [18:45:46] | heyme: | vdpau |
| [18:48:21] | heyme: | nope 200 on vdpau slim |
| [18:48:31] | simcop2387: | Does anyone know if the upnp server built into mythtv can do any transcoding through mythtranscode? |
| [18:48:38] | wagnerrp: | simcop2387: no |
| [18:48:47] | simcop2387: | that's what i figured. |
| [18:49:04] | wagnerrp: | heyme: do you have xine open and paused in the background? |
| [18:49:26] | heyme: | no |
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| [18:55:28] | Peitolm: | xris: do you know if the current bindings can retrieve a list of all recorded programs? I've found the channels, but not the recordings |
| [18:55:45] | wagnerrp: | perl or python? |
| [18:55:52] | Peitolm: | perl |
| [18:56:08] | Peitolm: | your question inplies that one does and one doesn't |
| [18:56:24] | wagnerrp: | no, it decides what source im going to point you at |
| [18:56:32] | Peitolm: | :) |
| [18:57:06] | Peitolm: | i'm not good with python, |
| [18:57:56] | xris: | Peitolm: yeah that should work. I still use the flush_deleted_recgroup.pl script I wrote, and that's mostly what it does. I think that's still in contrib |
| [18:58:55] | wagnerrp: | xris: the perl bindings cant pull a list of existing Programs? |
| [18:59:14] | wagnerrp: | grepping for QUERY_RECORDINGS doesnt come up with anything |
| [19:00:00] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_RECORDINGS_%28Myth_Protocol%29 |
| [19:00:23] | Peitolm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . /mythlink.pl seems to suggest that it's a manual job |
| [19:00:38] | Peitolm: | afk, parental duties |
| [19:02:04] | wagnerrp: | thats exactly the kind of case where code written for one script should have been put into the bindings instead |
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| [19:03:51] | wagnerrp: | did google just bounce a 550 back to the whole mythtv-dev mailing list? |
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| [19:06:04] | iamlindoro: | User forwarded the bounce which was sent to the wrong mail |
| [19:07:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, so he sent it to the wrong place, got a bounce, and rather than rewriting the original, he just forwarded the whole thing to the -dev list? |
| [19:11:34] | wagnerrp: | "help, my backend wont start because im telling it to bind to the port already in use by mysql" |
| [19:17:10] | jm|laptop: | is there a simple way to 'force' an EIT scan on a slave backend, please? |
| [19:17:28] | wagnerrp: | nope, just enable active mode and wait a couple minutes for it to go idle |
| [19:17:35] | jm|laptop: | I realise it should do it automagically after a certain time idle |
| [19:17:38] | jm|laptop: | hmm ok |
| [19:17:54] | jm|laptop: | 2011-11–02 12:49:15.638676 I [2265/2278] EIT mythdbcon.cpp:298 (popConnection) – New DB connection, total: 8 is this the sort of thing I'm looking out for? |
| [19:18:05] | jm|laptop: | seems 2011-11–02 is last time it tried |
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| [19:28:03] | jm|laptop: | bah |
| [19:28:08] | jm|laptop: | restarting the backend 'made it work' |
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| [19:45:12] | qwebirc86828: | Here's my question again...My mythfrontend.log file is full of the following two messages....I turned off transcoding and didn't get the errors any more but when I turned it back on the messages are back....it seems to be when the mpg file is deleted after the nuv file is created....I'm almost certain this is a bug but how do I check for sure? |
| [19:45:19] | qwebirc86828: | 2011-11–10 00:25:45.684 ProgramInfo(1030_20111109210000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1030_20111109210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. 2011-11–10 00:25:45.684 PlaybackBoxHelper Error: CHECK_AVAILABILITY 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1030_20111109210000.mpg' file not found |
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| [19:51:03] | ** wagnerrp dies a little every time he hears of someone recording analog off an ATSC DTA ** | |
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| [20:00:41] | jedix: | DTA? |
| [20:01:26] | wagnerrp: | those little digital to analog adapters we got coupons for |
| [20:02:06] | wagnerrp: | stands for Digital Transport Adapter |
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| [20:09:03] | jedix: | oh, I didn't get a coupon but I could have gotten one free somehow I think |
| [20:09:34] | wagnerrp: | every household was allowed two coupons for $40 off on each of two devices |
| [20:09:54] | wagnerrp: | each device was usually $40-$60 |
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| [20:51:29] | Peitolm: | back |
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| [21:04:10] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: is there any documentation as to what QUERY_RECORDINGS returns? |
| [21:04:31] | wagnerrp: | i linked to the page on the wiki a while back |
| [21:04:55] | Peitolm: | ah, yes, i missed that, thanks |
| [21:06:01] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldnt be processing that directly |
| [21:06:14] | wagnerrp: | you should be feeding it through the proper class |
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| [21:06:30] | wagnerrp: | MythTV::Program |
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| [21:15:13] | ** Peitolm runs a simple Dumper and was surprised to see his recording record contains all the channels in it ** | |
| [21:15:43] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [21:17:40] | Peitolm: | Data::Dumper, |
| [21:18:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean... recordings only list the channels they are performed on |
| [21:18:25] | wagnerrp: | you're saying that youve recorded at least one thing on every single channel in your lineup? |
| [21:18:31] | Peitolm: | no |
| [21:18:47] | justinh: | heh maybe my reputation precedes me. Or I've just got better at getting the point across |
| [21:18:49] | Peitolm: | i _think_ MythTV::Recordings is populating it |
| [21:20:13] | wagnerrp: | populating what? |
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| [21:22:32] | Peitolm: | http://www.pastie.org/2843908 has the code i'm running |
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| [21:25:08] | Peitolm: | for me, i get the first recording in the database, then deeper down the hash is all the channels |
| [21:25:54] | wagnerrp: | if thats the case, then its pulling the additional information out of the database |
| [21:28:35] | Peitolm: | yeah, i was surprised to see it |
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| [22:04:31] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: is it possible to ask query recordings for a subset? or is that left for the client to do? |
| [22:04:56] | wagnerrp: | left to the client |
| [22:05:53] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple different options you can pass |
| [22:06:05] | wagnerrp: | but they are more for sorting strategies, rather than filtering |
| [22:08:35] | Peitolm: | o.k. |
| [22:08:47] | Peitolm: | it's not a problem, i thought i'd check |
| [22:09:29] | Peitolm: | maybe over the weekend i'll delve into the code a bit further |
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| [22:24:27] | lecotex: | hi, can you give me hint where I can find information regarding backend requirements? I have small networked box with 2 DVB-S2 tuners and would like to check if I can add there mythbackend capability |
| [22:24:45] | wagnerrp: | this networked box is an x86 pc? |
| [22:25:33] | lecotex: | no, the box is our arm based baby (www.nessiedvb.com) but I think it not important |
| [22:25:47] | lecotex: | there is linux running already |
| [22:26:35] | wagnerrp: | short answer, no |
| [22:27:00] | wagnerrp: | short answer you would be more happy with, it depends |
| [22:27:14] | lecotex: | :) |
| [22:27:22] | lecotex: | and a bit longer answer? |
| [22:27:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed for use on x86 PCs, which means gobs of power and memory |
| [22:27:37] | lecotex: | even backend? |
| [22:27:44] | lecotex: | backend only? |
| [22:27:56] | lecotex: | i would like to provide only tuners |
| [22:28:29] | lecotex: | some similar way I'm doing on linux basis with virtual dvb adapter driver |
| [22:28:37] | lecotex: | using vtuner project |
| [22:29:09] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially run a slave backend on this box |
| [22:29:21] | lecotex: | yes, that is what I would like to do |
| [22:29:22] | wagnerrp: | you might run into memory issues, i dont know |
| [22:29:37] | wagnerrp: | as a master backend, that means youre dealing with a mysql server, and the scheduler |
| [22:29:51] | wagnerrp: | the mysql server is going to want a lot of RAM, which you dont have |
| [22:29:58] | wagnerrp: | and its going to want a lot of power, which you dont have |
| [22:30:12] | lecotex: | yes, that i understand |
| [22:30:16] | lecotex: | but ehat about slave? |
| [22:30:22] | wagnerrp: | its not sustained load, but bursty load |
| [22:30:24] | lecotex: | still I need mysql there? |
| [22:30:55] | wagnerrp: | same thing with the scheduler, you dont need to run it often, but when it does run, you have some strict time constraints it must be performed within before you run into trouble |
| [22:31:07] | wagnerrp: | for a slave backend, all its doing is receiving recording instructions from the master |
| [22:31:26] | wagnerrp: | for a digital tuner, there really is very little in the way of CPU requirements |
| [22:31:46] | wagnerrp: | if you can fit in that meager 128MB of memory, it should be fine |
| [22:32:11] | lecotex: | so slave backed is doing recordings on its own? |
| [22:32:12] | wagnerrp: | on a mythtv system, there is only one master backend and one mysql server |
| [22:32:34] | wagnerrp: | the master backend coordinates access to content from the frontends, and manages the scheduler and upnp servers |
| [22:32:55] | wagnerrp: | slave backends dont do much more than shuffle files around |
| [22:33:34] | wagnerrp: | i.e. data streams from the tuners to the disk, and from the disk to the frontends |
| [22:34:17] | lecotex: | files? I don't have there any storage, I can only send them over the net (to the master?) |
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| [22:34:45] | laga: | you can probably set up an iptv recorder to record the stream |
| [22:34:48] | laga: | on the master |
| [22:34:51] | wagnerrp: | the backend must be able to store its recordings to a locally mounted disk |
| [22:35:06] | wagnerrp: | whether that disk is a physical drive, or an NFS share, it doesnt care |
| [22:35:10] | wagnerrp: | it just has to be mounted |
| [22:35:16] | lecotex: | and backend w/o recording capabilities? |
| [22:35:22] | wagnerrp: | no such purpose |
| [22:35:34] | wagnerrp: | slave backends only exist to record and serve up files |
| [22:36:08] | wagnerrp: | the master backend does that, plus the scheduler and various other duties |
| [22:36:10] | lecotex: | hmm, pity, then my box is not fit in this scenario :( |
| [22:36:25] | wagnerrp: | as a slave backend, it would probably work |
| [22:36:34] | wagnerrp: | but you still need a master backend and mysql server located elsewhere |
| [22:36:44] | wagnerrp: | as a master backend, i wouldnt bother |
| [22:37:00] | lecotex: | sure, I understand that master must be elsewhere |
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| [22:38:13] | lecotex: | my idea was to reuse those tuners remotely – adding them somehow (by myth slave backend or so) to the myth desktop (where master can sit) |
| [22:39:08] | lecotex: | right now I can achive that by using virtual dvb adapters |
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| [22:39:28] | wagnerrp: | either would be doable |
| [22:39:30] | lecotex: | but I wanted to check if there can be some higher level of cooperation |
| [22:39:43] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by 'higher level'? |
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| [22:41:23] | lecotex: | vtuner network virtualization is a bit restricted – only one client can use tuner in time |
| [22:41:42] | wagnerrp: | as would be the case with mythtv |
| [22:42:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv expects dedicated access to any hardware it knows about |
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| [22:42:19] | lecotex: | with some sort of coordination (on application level) some tuners can be use concurently by more clients (if channels come from same transponder) |
| [22:42:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will record multiple shows on the same physical tuner simultaneously, if they are on the same transponder |
| [22:43:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just puts all its available tuners into a big pool |
| [22:44:04] | wagnerrp: | when it needs one, it just pulls the top one off the list |
| [22:44:13] | wagnerrp: | it makes no preference between ones on the local machine, and remote ones |
| [22:44:31] | lecotex: | exactly I that I ment about – application can share transponder between clients, what is not case for low level adapter virtualization |
| [22:44:54] | wagnerrp: | additionally, you seem to be looking at this for live tv |
| [22:45:04] | wagnerrp: | technically in mythtv, there is no such thing as live tv |
| [22:45:29] | wagnerrp: | everything is recorded, and in 'live tv mode', the frontends are simply watching a recording with a bit of glue to change channels |
| [22:45:53] | lecotex: | oh, that I didn't know |
| [22:46:08] | lecotex: | interesting design |
| [22:46:18] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that you set up recording rules, let the scheduler do its thing, and then watch the recordings some time later at your leisure |
| [22:46:28] | lecotex: | i see |
| [22:46:43] | wagnerrp: | so 'live tv mode' doesnt get much use from the developer base |
| [22:47:34] | dekarl: | hmm, thought it might be a nice box to run mumudvb on, but with 4 DVB-S/S2 tuners and just 100mbit/s NIC that's going to be limited by the NIC |
| [22:47:53] | wagnerrp: | four? i see two |
| [22:48:10] | lecotex: | yes, only two are there :) |
| [22:48:36] | dekarl: | only two? ahh, then it might actually work... just been looking at the pictures |
| [22:48:47] | wagnerrp: | its basically the same concept as the netceiver |
| [22:48:53] | lecotex: | yes, it is |
| [22:49:12] | lecotex: | but we are trying to be as wider connected as possible |
| [22:49:13] | wagnerrp: | or a more complex version of the hdhomerun |
| [22:49:27] | lecotex: | that is why we have there few modes of working |
| [22:49:32] | lecotex: | for every tuner |
| [22:49:44] | wagnerrp: | these virtual DVB devices, do they show up as normal /dev/dvb/adapter<n> devices on the client system? |
| [22:49:47] | lecotex: | and I'm looking for additional modes around :) |
| [22:49:57] | lecotex: | yes |
| [22:50:08] | lecotex: | you can check myself |
| [22:50:18] | wagnerrp: | then they could simply be used directly by the master backend |
| [22:50:26] | lecotex: | vtuner stuff is fully open sourced |
| [22:50:32] | wagnerrp: | with no reason to run a backend instance on the box itself |
| [22:51:20] | dekarl: | lecotex: does the multicast mode stream every channel of two multiplexes or just some channels? would be enough to run in Malta methinks (they have just one FTA DVB-T mux) just point the mythtv backend to the m3u with all the multicast groups |
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| [22:52:51] | lecotex: | not full, device was designed for home use, there are restricted resources (cpu mostly) |
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| [22:53:22] | lecotex: | in multicast we get about 30Mbps per tuner |
| [22:54:04] | dekarl: | i see, was just guessing from what I read at the mumudvb site |
| [22:55:26] | lecotex: | btw we have in development DVB-T2/C variant also |
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| [22:56:13] | dekarl: | it's a nice box to feed the soccer world cup to a small office net or similar :) (not so many channels but potentially lots of viewer) |
| [22:56:27] | lecotex: | hehe, yes |
| [22:57:13] | lecotex: | I must say we get the idea exactly when hockey championship was held about two years ago ;) |
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| [23:01:16] | dekarl: | if you have a custom protocol it's possible to implement a special recorder in the backend in principle, but that won't lift the vtuner mode restrictions and so it's of limited use i think |
| [23:01:48] | wagnerrp: | or you could implement the HDHomeRun protocol, and do away with the need for a special recorder |
| [23:01:59] | wagnerrp: | but youre still back at the same point |
| [23:02:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not designed to play well with others |
| [23:02:29] | dekarl: | and I've seen mention somewhere about a device/protocol that mixes multicast properties with the clients still tuning... don't remember where that was... |
| [23:03:27] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun TECH is designed for offices, and lets multiple clients access content over multicast |
| [23:03:49] | wagnerrp: | although how it handles switching between different multiplexes, im not sure |
| [23:03:52] | dekarl: | basically the client would call out to the network where one or more of your devices live and ask for a channel. and magically the client would get the stream from one of them of a "out of tuners" error. |
| [23:04:07] | dekarl: | ... or an error ... |
| [23:04:47] | wagnerrp: | im think just make all potential channels available through their own multicast address |
| [23:05:08] | wagnerrp: | if there is a free tuner, or a tuner already on that multiplex, you get the stream |
| [23:05:18] | wagnerrp: | if not, you get something on the order of a busy signal |
| [23:05:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe just an empty carrier or something |
| [23:05:38] | dekarl: | the trick was that if a device had already tuned to the mux of the requested channel it just feeds the channel from the same tuner (like our multirec) and if that's not the case it would use a free tuner |
| [23:05:56] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: sounds like a way to handle that, too |
| [23:06:26] | dekarl: | the nice thing was that you could just plug in more boxes if you run out of tuners regularly |
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| [23:07:06] | wagnerrp: | have the boxes negotiate between each other which acts as the source for that particular request? |
| [23:07:26] | wagnerrp: | whoever has free tuners left picks it up |
| [23:08:02] | dekarl: | yes, something like that. |
| [23:08:52] | lecotex: | ok, guys, thanks for all info regarding myth backend stuff |
| [23:09:25] | lecotex: | seems I have to stay on vtuner usage for myth users |
| [23:09:45] | dekarl: | do you provide a m3u playlist for the multicast mode? |
| [23:10:23] | wagnerrp: | well you dont _have_ to, it just wont provide any real benefit to run slave backends on it |
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| [23:11:08] | lecotex: | I have m3u accessible over http (webinterface) |
| [23:11:11] | dekarl: | if you can collect EIT and provide that in xmltv format in addition to a playlist like explained here, that would be cool, too http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox |
| [23:12:30] | dekarl: | basically allows you to automatically connect your multicast groups to the xmltv guide channels |
| [23:13:55] | lecotex: | oh, freebox seems to be similar device in regard of streaming TS streams |
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| [23:14:43] | dekarl: | yes, upstream it's (DVB-)IPTV from the free.fr ISP |
| [23:14:55] | dekarl: | but downstream it's similar |
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| [23:17:55] | lecotex: | anyway, here is time for bed |
| [23:17:59] | lecotex: | thx and cu |
| [23:18:44] | dekarl: | btw, anybody want to tell Per Kofod to test #3640 |
| [23:18:50] | dekarl: | night lecotex |
| [23:19:24] | dekarl: | or #7486 |
| [23:20:12] | dekarl: | the guide on how to test the patch easily on Ubuntu is here http://mythbuntu.org/wiki/recipes |
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