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| [00:17:00] | Jester86-Laptop: | anyone here use firewire to change channels? |
| [00:23:07] | wagnerrp: | Jester86-Laptop: you tried to scan for analog channels? |
| [00:23:32] | Jester86-Laptop: | yup |
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| [00:23:37] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [00:24:17] | Jester86-Laptop: | b/c it has always worked for me in the past and i was trying to problem solve why i wasnt, still am not, getting any reception from them |
| [00:24:27] | Jester86-Laptop: | even in live-tv using the fetched channel sets |
| [00:24:37] | wagnerrp: | no, you pull analog lineups from schedules direct |
| [00:24:43] | wagnerrp: | always has been that way |
| [00:24:57] | wagnerrp: | (at least until you were supposed to pull your lineup from zap2it) |
| [00:25:25] | Jester86-Laptop: | the FE just closes out of live-tv when i try to tune via PVR150 |
| [00:25:50] | wagnerrp: | with an external tuning script? |
| [00:25:54] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, no i set this thing up when 10.10 was out and did scan with no issues.. but regardless... the cards arent working |
| [00:26:12] | Jester86-Laptop: | no.. I'm using the analog tuner within the card |
| [00:26:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought you were trying to use firewire |
| [00:26:26] | Jester86-Laptop: | not capturing stream from a STB |
| [00:26:35] | Jester86-Laptop: | no.. thats a whole other issue i have to solve |
| [00:26:48] | wagnerrp: | try to 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' |
| [00:26:49] | Jester86-Laptop: | need to get my HD-PVR going once I get the PVR150s |
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| [00:28:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | its running.. not giving me output |
| [00:28:14] | Jester86-Laptop: | .. i am remoted into the PC tho |
| [00:28:40] | wagnerrp: | if youre not getting output, then its a hardware/driver issue, rather than a mythtv one |
| [00:29:00] | jm|laptop: | why does ffmpeg think my HD .ts is 53.77fps when I think it's 25fps |
| [00:29:00] | jm|laptop: | something to do with interlacing? |
| [00:29:15] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah wagnerrp thats what i was afraid of.. :-\ |
| [00:29:38] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: its likely a mix of the two |
| [00:30:04] | wagnerrp: | er no... in PALland, it should never end up over 50fps |
| [00:30:15] | jm|laptop: | hmm |
| [00:30:19] | jm|laptop: | I am in PALland :) |
| [00:31:26] | Jester86-Laptop: | well guess i'm taking that box down for a new install :-\ |
| [00:31:28] | Jester86-Laptop: | FUCK! |
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| [00:31:38] | wagnerrp: | please watch your language |
| [00:31:48] | Jester86-Laptop: | think i may install arch linux instead of mythbuntu |
| [00:32:10] | Jester86-Laptop: | sorry... just tired of this thing lol |
| [00:32:42] | jm|laptop: | when I pass the number of frames to ffmpeg it keeps falling short :/ |
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| [00:55:39] | jm|laptop: | where is cutlist data stored nowadays? |
| [00:56:05] | Twiggy2cents: | so is 0.25 coming out soon? I see there is only minor tickets open. |
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| [00:56:31] | wagnerrp: | same place it always has been, with everything else, in the database |
| [00:56:32] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: we have not yet settled on a feature freeze date |
| [00:56:45] | Twiggy2cents: | feature freeze? |
| [00:56:50] | Beirdo: | yes. |
| [00:57:01] | Twiggy2cents: | The date when you stop adding features to the release? |
| [00:57:06] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [00:57:10] | Twiggy2cents: | gotcha |
| [00:57:21] | Twiggy2cents: | Wouldnt that be more like a feature rollover to the next release |
| [00:57:22] | Twiggy2cents: | ? |
| [00:57:25] | Beirdo: | after said date, you bug fix the crap outta stuff until it's ready for release |
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| [00:57:33] | Beirdo: | that too |
| [00:57:34] | Twiggy2cents: | gotcha |
| [00:57:41] | iamlindoro: | No, because we freeze master, which means no new features go in until we get the release out |
| [00:57:53] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh |
| [00:58:10] | iamlindoro: | we don't branch until the release happens |
| [00:58:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, effectively, after that point, new features go into the next release cycle, but it starts after the release |
| [00:58:57] | Beirdo: | I'm hoping we aren't too far off, but so far, we don't have a date set |
| [01:00:06] | Twiggy2cents: | I need something new to break, my computers have been too stable lately. I dont know what to do with free time. |
| [01:00:20] | Beirdo: | You know, I like my new cubicle at work. Nice and dark |
| [01:00:25] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: you running master? :) |
| [01:00:44] | Twiggy2cents: | Nope |
| [01:00:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [01:01:02] | Twiggy2cents: | I would for sure break something then |
| [01:01:19] | Beirdo: | Probably so. You'd likely trip over a bug or two |
| [01:01:26] | Beirdo: | or something unfinished |
| [01:01:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Everything in .mythtv would be non conflicting with master right? |
| [01:01:42] | Twiggy2cents: | Or no? |
| [01:01:53] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [01:02:02] | Beirdo: | not sure what you mean |
| [01:02:17] | Twiggy2cents: | s/.mythtv/~.mythtv, basically the settings |
| [01:02:19] | Jester86-Laptop: | anyone here use firewire to tune channels? |
| [01:02:41] | plut0: | i used to at one point |
| [01:02:46] | wagnerrp: | if youre running 0.25, use the internal firewire changer |
| [01:02:54] | Beirdo: | oooh, yeah the settings there should work in master... but the database changes are non-minimal, and you wouldn't be able to easly switch back |
| [01:02:58] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, .. you know my struggles with 0.25 ;) |
| [01:03:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | plut0, how did you achieve it? |
| [01:03:25] | plut0: | gosh i don't remember, i don't think i did anything special for it |
| [01:03:27] | Jester86-Laptop: | i cant find much documentation on just tuning via firewire.. everything i find is about streaming over it |
| [01:03:50] | Jester86-Laptop: | what did you use in the external channel changer field? |
| [01:03:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, I figure I will just wait until it gets released and packaged like a good lemming. |
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| [01:04:32] | plut0: | maybe you have an unsupported set top box? |
| [01:05:12] | Jester86-Laptop: | plut0, you have to put something in the external channel changing field of your input device.. i just dont know what |
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| [01:05:26] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'd assume you have to edit a file like ch_change.sh |
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| [01:06:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, for firewire, you need something compiled |
| [01:06:51] | Jester86-Laptop: | hmm |
| [01:07:04] | Jester86-Laptop: | i cant figure out how to do it with mythbuntu |
| [01:07:15] | plut0: | i'm sorry i can't help. i disabled firewire because it was causing instability issues |
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| [01:07:47] | Jester86-Laptop: | so do you IR blast? |
| [01:08:01] | iamlindoro: | Jester86-Laptop: You're using master, which means you're meant to be following the commits-- the commit that added internal firewire changing details how it is used, and explains that so far there is no UI for it |
| [01:08:26] | plut0: | no i don't use firewire anymore |
| [01:08:38] | plut0: | i suppose i should give it a try again |
| [01:10:24] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah.. pls do |
| [01:10:30] | Jester86-Laptop: | then explain to me how you did it lol |
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| [03:06:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | hey guys.. can someone point me toward some documentation on setting up the HD-PVR and firewire channel changing? |
| [03:06:43] | [R]: | theres firewire channel changing scripts on the wiki |
| [03:16:43] | Jester86-Laptop: | crapp |
| [03:16:51] | Jester86-Laptop: | it wont work with my box.. SMT-h |
| [03:16:57] | Jester86-Laptop: | smt-h3050 |
| [03:17:16] | Jester86-Laptop: | seems like everyone who has brought up the FCC with this box was given a SA though.. |
| [03:17:31] | Jester86-Laptop: | wonder if i could get them to deliver it ;) |
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| [03:19:55] | biffhero: | I sure wish I could send a youtube URL to myth, and it would hand it off to mythvideo. I downloaded some videos from youtube, but the mythnettv keeps transcoding them. |
| [03:20:23] | wagnerrp: | see mythnetvision |
| [03:20:47] | biffhero: | [7:17] <Jester86-Laptop> seems like everyone who has brought up the FCC with this box was given a SA though.. <<< what do you mean? |
| [03:20:55] | biffhero: | thanks. |
| [03:21:30] | Jester86-Laptop: | biffhero, the bbox doesn't have its firewire port enabled.. though it does strangely have (2) usb ports |
| [03:21:33] | biffhero: | I want to show my wife Diana Krall videos... |
| [03:21:34] | wagnerrp: | he means, fcc regs state that anyone with a HD cable subscription has the right to request a cable box with functional firewire port |
| [03:21:58] | [R]: | Jester86-Laptop: having usb ports isn't strange |
| [03:22:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | from the forums i have read everyone with one of these boxes who brought up the fcc's law stating all boxes with firewire must have at least one enabled.. was given a different box |
| [03:22:07] | biffhero: | Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't aware. I should look at my cable subscription. |
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| [03:22:21] | Jester86-Laptop: | ie, TWC has no ability to activate the firewire.. though they are willing to play ball |
| [03:22:55] | Jester86-Laptop: | yes, all STBs must have at least one enabled port if any exist.. may have to have one period, i'm not positive |
| [03:23:08] | biffhero: | and are the requirements also that you are able to record over the firewire? |
| [03:23:11] | Jester86-Laptop: | but that being said.. this box having USB. I'm going to see if my keyboard input does anything to change channels |
| [03:23:19] | [R]: | biffhero: of course not |
| [03:23:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | if so, I may have to get an arduino up and rolling |
| [03:23:31] | biffhero: | oh, it's just a channel changer? |
| [03:23:38] | [R]: | well it *can* record |
| [03:23:44] | Jester86-Laptop: | biffhero, you can stream material that is flagged 'copy free' |
| [03:23:45] | [R]: | depending on the protection flags |
| [03:24:03] | Jester86-Laptop: | which if you have TWC is essentially only the local broadcast channels |
| [03:24:13] | biffhero: | ah |
| [03:24:27] | Jester86-Laptop: | i've heard that depending on the area COMCast or COX actually have many more channels flagged copy free |
| [03:24:45] | Jester86-Laptop: | in one instance I heard all but the subscription channels were flagged free |
| [03:24:58] | wagnerrp: | s/subscription/premium/ |
| [03:25:09] | Jester86-Laptop: | yup |
| [03:25:39] | Jester86-Laptop: | man i thought .24 was stable.. just had my FE crash ;) |
| [03:26:40] | biffhero: | Comcast is sure all over this xfinity stuff. their chat is even called "xfinity chat" |
| [03:26:52] | Jester86-Laptop: | haha |
| [03:26:57] | Jester86-Laptop: | i may swtich to comcast... |
| [03:27:00] | wagnerrp: | because they have their own chat program? |
| [03:27:11] | biffhero: | popup brewhaha |
| [03:27:21] | Jester86-Laptop: | no.. to get away from TWC |
| [03:27:43] | Jester86-Laptop: | but if they have their material flagged copy free i may.. tho i do have an HDPVR now |
| [03:27:54] | wagnerrp: | no, their chat is called xfinity chat... because there is some reason for comcast to have their own chat program |
| [03:28:41] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, are you supporting twc? ;) |
| [03:28:57] | wagnerrp: | not at all |
| [03:29:24] | wagnerrp: | in fact, im pissed off that my local cableco has been purchased by the 800lb pile of feces that is time warner |
| [03:29:39] | Jester86-Laptop: | haha |
| [03:29:55] | wagnerrp: | weve got roadrunner business at work |
| [03:30:06] | wagnerrp: | its the most unreliable garbage ISP ive ever used |
| [03:30:59] | Jester86-Laptop: | i think that depends on the area and size of business |
| [03:31:11] | Jester86-Laptop: | of course my old office in ohio had fiber in the building so.. |
| [03:32:55] | Jester86-Laptop: | well so far mythtv 0.24 is proving decent |
| [03:33:05] | Jester86-Laptop: | here's to hoping it continues |
| [03:33:10] | wagnerrp: | werent you on 0.25? |
| [03:40:43] | biffhero: | .24 is rock solid here. |
| [03:49:43] | [R]: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121470 |
| [03:49:48] | [R]: | wagnerrp: good for myth you think? |
| [03:50:58] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'm having an issue with my audio |
| [03:51:08] | biffhero: | seems a bit overkill, no? |
| [03:51:15] | Jester86-Laptop: | yes wagnerrp i was.. reinstalled the whole OS and now i'm on .24 |
| [03:51:23] | [R]: | biffhero: nah... :P |
| [03:51:46] | wagnerrp: | [R]: oh yeah, fantastic |
| [03:52:00] | wagnerrp: | those are big fans, i bet that means it will be quiet |
| [03:52:02] | Jester86-Laptop: | my issue is that i'm passing audio out over optical digital |
| [03:52:13] | Jester86-Laptop: | so i have to use software volume control |
| [03:52:23] | Jester86-Laptop: | when i do however, the music app wont play |
| [03:52:34] | Jester86-Laptop: | video and tv work great with my current setup |
| [03:53:41] | Jester86-Laptop: | audio output device: ALSA:hw:CARD=SB,DEV=1 |
| [03:53:47] | Jester86-Laptop: | DD and DTS are checked |
| [03:53:53] | Jester86-Laptop: | Speaker Conf: 5.1 |
| [03:53:59] | Jester86-Laptop: | Upconvert checked |
| [03:54:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | any idea where my issue is? |
| [03:56:09] | Jester86-Laptop: | nevermind.. i think we'll c |
| [03:56:33] | Jester86-Laptop: | bahh why god why |
| [03:56:59] | Jester86-Laptop: | i can get my music to play only if i am keeping video playback at 2.0 |
| [04:06:14] | biffhero: | I am really enjoying using MythRemote on my mac over wifi to the frontend instead of IR. Very responsive. |
| [04:15:49] | Jester86-Laptop: | ohhh snap |
| [04:15:57] | Jester86-Laptop: | now i have all of my audio coming out at 5.1 |
| [04:15:58] | wagnerrp: | vee dub |
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| [04:19:11] | Jester86-Laptop: | in order to get the HDPVR working do you have to create a false channel for it to 'tune' to even tho its a purely capture device? |
| [04:19:26] | [R]: | did you read the instructions on the wiki? |
| [04:19:58] | Jester86-Laptop: | there's a wiki? |
| [04:20:14] | Jester86-Laptop: | sorry.. no R i hadn't |
| [04:20:21] | [R]: | its on the myth website |
| [04:20:32] | [R]: | on the front page... |
| [04:20:33] | Jester86-Laptop: | figured if someone was active in here who had recently done it it'd be better to talk to them |
| [04:20:50] | Jester86-Laptop: | in case theres some crazy happenings not covered in the wiki |
| [04:21:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | reprap community is much different than the mythtv community .. everyone there likes to talk |
| [04:21:26] | jheizer: | I recently had to rebuild my masterbackend. Now my frontend can take 2–3seconds to do a 30second skip. |
| [04:21:27] | wagnerrp: | better to read the wiki first, so people who spent the time writing the page doesnt have to have it further wasted repeating the same thing in irc |
| [04:21:39] | jheizer: | ATSC or HDPVR recordings |
| [04:21:51] | jheizer: | Is there a common cause? Logs seem clean. |
| [04:22:05] | jheizer: | All the years I have been running myth, never had this happen. |
| [04:22:15] | Jester86-Laptop: | have you rebooted? |
| [04:23:14] | jheizer: | MBE – X6, 16GB ram, OS/DB Raptors, Recordings on mdadm Raid5 so should not be the new pardware |
| [04:23:55] | Jester86-Laptop: | jheizer, you check your smart data on the drives? |
| [04:23:58] | jheizer: | .24 mythbuntu reop as of today |
| [04:24:31] | Jester86-Laptop: | we had one dropping out of a raid5 at work that wasnt totally out but caused odd slowness |
| [04:24:35] | jheizer: | Also, if I check commflag as soona s recodings start, the seek table is trash |
| [04:24:39] | jheizer: | and a rebuild does not fix it |
| [04:24:50] | jheizer: | I cannot skip in that recording at all |
| [04:24:56] | jheizer: | disable that and I can skip, just delayed |
| [04:25:56] | jheizer: | Array seems to be in good standing according to mdstat and file transfer rates are good over the network (all wired gbit) |
| [04:26:44] | jheizer: | Needless to say it has beena long last week trying to sort this issues out |
| [04:26:58] | jheizer: | So here I am begging for help :-( |
| [04:28:19] | jheizer: | Why I cannot start commflag immediately has me puzzled the most since neight mythcommflag or mythtranscode could repair the seektable |
| [04:28:45] | Jester86-Laptop: | anyone here use vdpau-va o rshould i just go straight to the source and get vdpau? |
| [04:28:50] | jheizer: | with the X6 and all that ram should not be an issue |
| [04:28:53] | Jester86-Laptop: | my graphics is a GT430 |
| [04:28:55] | wagnerrp: | vdpau-va? |
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| [04:29:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah.. its the ubuntu package essentially |
| [04:29:23] | jheizer: | huh, weird |
| [04:29:27] | Jester86-Laptop: | dont know what version of vdpau it was taken from |
| [04:29:30] | [R]: | Jester86-Laptop: all you need is the nvidai driver... |
| [04:29:33] | wagnerrp: | there is the generic VDPAU library |
| [04:29:36] | Jester86-Laptop: | i mean 11.10 just came out.. |
| [04:29:44] | jheizer: | nvidia-current always gets me what I need |
| [04:29:45] | wagnerrp: | and then then nvidia drivers that support the VDPAU API on nvidia cards |
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| [04:30:21] | Jester86-Laptop: | i have the libs |
| [04:30:37] | Jester86-Laptop: | guess i just need the driver |
| [04:30:49] | Jester86-Laptop: | hmm should i use apt-get or just pull from the site |
| [04:31:03] | jheizer: | apt-get install nvidia-current |
| [04:31:07] | jheizer: | easy as pie |
| [04:32:04] | Jester86-Laptop: | indeed it was |
| [04:32:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | and BBCs life looks great ;) |
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| [04:36:27] | high-rez: | Is there a particular *buntu you guys recommend for a frontend? Ubuntu's Unity just pisses me off (upgraded my frontend, nothing works right, lame) |
| [04:36:37] | wagnerrp: | myth |
| [04:36:41] | jheizer: | tell me about it |
| [04:36:46] | jheizer: | stupid unity |
| [04:36:57] | [R]: | so use somethign else |
| [04:37:05] | jheizer: | forgot about that when I reinstalled ym MBE that is also a FE randomly in the basement |
| [04:37:06] | [R]: | theres tons of DEs and WMs in ubuntu |
| [04:37:24] | jheizer: | play to switch to xfce personally |
| [04:37:41] | high-rez: | [R]: Agreed... *hence the question* is there a particular variant people recommend for a frontend... |
| [04:38:01] | [R]: | use whatever you like |
| [04:38:29] | jheizer: | what does mythbuntu install with now? |
| [04:38:29] | [R]: | what does it matter what someone selse lies |
| [04:38:33] | [R]: | xfce, like always |
| [04:38:58] | biffhero: | high-rez: wouldn't it be easier to keep your current distro and change the window manager to use xfce instead of unity? that way there's very little that mythtv has to override to make you happy. |
| [04:39:03] | jheizer: | figured, just checking |
| [04:39:52] | high-rez: | biffhero: That's essentially what I'm doing. I tried to rip unity out of oneiric and it didn't go so well, so switching over to xubuntu-desktop : -) |
| [04:40:30] | high-rez: | Which is probably what I should have done many releases ago :D |
| [04:40:31] | biffhero: | Oh, I thought it would be easy to change it out. |
| [04:40:45] | high-rez: | I think it is... apt-get install xubuntu-desktop |
| [04:41:33] | biffhero: | I am still on 10.04.3 LTS on my front end. |
| [04:41:36] | high-rez: | Oh you mean ripping out unity? Yeah I don't know, I followed a guide on what needs to be ripped out the gdm doesn't want to start, i think it's related to the swtich to lightdm or whatever. |
| [04:41:52] | biffhero: | Oh, you couldn't set it to auto-log you in? |
| [04:42:38] | biffhero: | I suppose there's some problem with Unity? I haven't tried it on my system yet, but I suppose I will be forced to it in a year or two. |
| [04:43:20] | biffhero: | We have two family laptops, one for wife, and one for boys which are both running unity. I haven't heard too many complaints. |
| [04:43:46] | high-rez: | I'm just looking for something to standardize on that won't be outdated soon. This thing was running 9.04 until last week and it required some manual steps to upgrade due to 9.04 being out of support. |
| [04:43:58] | jheizer: | I didn;t have a mouse plugged in and was trying to disable the scrensaver |
| [04:44:04] | jheizer: | since it was kicking in while watching |
| [04:44:16] | jheizer: | gave up after a minute or two of searching for different things |
| [04:44:25] | jheizer: | need to just get xfce on there and be done with it |
| [04:44:51] | jheizer: | was just thinking I thoguth after installing ubuntu server I did install mythbunti-desktop |
| [04:45:02] | jheizer: | why I was curious what the default was now |
| [04:45:58] | jheizer: | or maybe just have to change what is being logged into.. has been low on the list over these seek issues |
| [04:46:19] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'm getting some strange vertical purple lines coming from my HDhomerun inputs |
| [04:46:27] | Jester86-Laptop: | its occurring on both tuners |
| [04:46:35] | jheizer: | weird |
| [04:46:38] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah.. |
| [04:46:46] | Jester86-Laptop: | the picture is still there.. its just behind it |
| [04:47:21] | Jester86-Laptop: | I have that OTA antenna shared between the two HDHR inputs and the FM input on my receiver.. tho it was working just fine earlier |
| [04:47:36] | Jester86-Laptop: | cant remember if i ran an update within that time or not tho |
| [04:47:58] | Jester86-Laptop: | maaaannn |
| [04:48:12] | Jester86-Laptop: | it seems to be getting worse :- |
| [04:48:40] | jheizer: | sure it is from the input and not the video out? |
| [04:48:52] | jheizer: | try and existing recording? |
| [04:49:03] | Jester86-Laptop: | dont have any |
| [04:49:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | fresh install |
| [04:49:35] | Jester86-Laptop: | could try to record something and play it back in vlc |
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| [04:50:38] | jheizer: | no recordings... that was a long tiem ago |
| [04:50:39] | jheizer: | lol |
| [04:50:53] | jheizer: | I thnk I have some from 5–6 years ago still sitting out there |
| [04:52:17] | Jester86-Laptop: | what video playback profile should i use u think? |
| [04:52:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | its set to CPU+ |
| [04:52:28] | wagnerrp: | no, bad |
| [04:52:32] | Jester86-Laptop: | I have a dual core 3.2 i think |
| [04:52:39] | Jester86-Laptop: | and GT430 graphics |
| [04:52:46] | wagnerrp: | use slim, vdpau, or one of your own creation |
| [04:53:00] | wagnerrp: | the normal, and cpu[++--] profiles are all bad to use |
| [04:53:16] | Jester86-Laptop: | VDPAU hq? |
| [04:53:33] | [R]: | they said bittorrent on scrubs season 8 ep 1 |
| [04:53:39] | wagnerrp: | should work fine on that card |
| [04:53:50] | jheizer: | depends on the card (can always try normal first) |
| [04:53:55] | ** jheizer was too slow ** | |
| [04:54:14] | Jester86-Laptop: | that was it wagnerrp |
| [04:54:20] | Jester86-Laptop: | many thanks |
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| [04:56:04] | jheizer: | time to build a new pxe image |
| [04:56:05] | jheizer: | weee |
| [04:58:24] | Jester86-Laptop: | bahh and tomorrow i will get the HDPVR rolling |
| [04:59:09] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with the existing image? |
| [04:59:13] | jheizer: | its not too bad |
| [04:59:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | I now have (2) analog cable streams via PVR150s and (2) OTA streams via HDhr |
| [04:59:31] | jheizer: | especially now that the latest kernels have the blaster drivers included |
| [05:00:18] | jheizer: | wagnerrp: moving it from an old box I am going to discontinue using to the new MBE |
| [05:00:49] | wagnerrp: | well thats just a cp, not a rebuild |
| [05:01:38] | jheizer: | well, old chroot was 10.04, figured I would start a new fresh install on 11.10 |
| [05:02:03] | ** wagnerrp enjoys the versionless operating system ** | |
| [05:02:37] | jheizer: | haha, as much me installing and trying so much stuff over those 2 years making it big than anything |
| [05:03:09] | jheizer: | gentoo? |
| [05:03:11] | jheizer: | user? |
| [05:03:12] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [05:03:23] | jheizer: | I use to back in the day |
| [05:03:30] | jheizer: | have not used it ina few years though |
| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | ive got a base image i continually 'emerge -uD world' |
| [05:03:47] | wagnerrp: | and then i clone it out to each of my frontends |
| [05:03:54] | jheizer: | back when having a dual athlon XP system was cool |
| [05:04:12] | wagnerrp: | dual athlon xp? no such thing |
| [05:04:36] | jheizer: | well, athlon XP modded to athlon MP |
| [05:04:40] | wagnerrp: | XPs were all single socket, MPs were dual |
| [05:05:18] | jheizer: | was a bad ass machine back then |
| [05:07:32] | jheizer: | and now we can buy 16GB ram for <$100 |
| [05:12:19] | Jester86-Laptop: | jheizer, over the past 2 weeks i bought (2) 4 gig sticks each week.. was moving ram between machines and decided to Anny up |
| [05:12:31] | Jester86-Laptop: | spent right about $80 in total |
| [05:13:15] | jheizer: | yeah when I was building this new MBE I got 4x4gb. Ended up being $75ish. |
| [05:13:27] | jheizer: | but yeah, at that price, hard to say now |
| [05:13:28] | jheizer: | no |
| [05:13:53] | Jester86-Laptop: | exactly |
| [05:13:56] | jheizer: | very very few times ever heard some one go man, I wish I had less ram |
| [05:14:02] | Jester86-Laptop: | esp since i use that other machine for virtual machines |
| [05:14:49] | Jester86-Laptop: | I'll be using Arch as my primary OS with a virtual in Ubuntu 11.10 running my RepRap software and then another virtual runs win7 for all of my autodesk software |
| [05:14:50] | jheizer: | yeah going to have a VM or two on there for lightweight duity as well |
| [05:14:59] | Jester86-Laptop: | ... inventor .. for designing stuff to print |
| [05:15:18] | Jester86-Laptop: | at my old office we used VMs for production stations |
| [05:15:32] | wagnerrp: | i thought AutoDesk had linux offerings |
| [05:15:48] | jheizer: | yeah funny that I have all that just sitting in the basement all by its lonesom self |
| [05:15:49] | Jester86-Laptop: | had a VM for every year release of software we operated on. Autodesk's Revit 2008 and 2009 couldn't really be installed beside eachother |
| [05:16:10] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, what software is that? |
| [05:16:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'd be very interested to know |
| [05:16:48] | jheizer: | my first time using kvm, works pretty damn good so far in my limited testing |
| [05:17:40] | Jester86-Laptop: | i use virtualbox |
| [05:17:46] | Jester86-Laptop: | and its worked amazingly well for me |
| [05:18:05] | jheizer: | I use Vbox on my desktop and our work server runs 2 headless VMs in vbox |
| [05:18:17] | jheizer: | decided to give kvm a try here first |
| [05:18:28] | Jester86-Laptop: | i found an old virtual drive i made back in college (3) yrs ago that i had xp x64 installed on with my GPS software. found it floating on my network last weekend and it fired right up |
| [05:18:39] | wagnerrp: | huh... i could have sworn autocad worked on linux |
| [05:19:04] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, if you hear of any decent linux CAD software let me know |
| [05:19:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | plz |
| [05:19:19] | Jester86-Laptop: | esp if you hear of any 3d modeling software |
| [05:19:31] | jheizer: | installing vbox to my laptop right now to test my pxe boot |
| [05:19:35] | wagnerrp: | like CATIA? |
| [05:19:38] | jheizer: | guess it never made its way back on here |
| [05:20:02] | Jester86-Laptop: | hmm i'm not getting audio out of my ABC station.. OTA |
| [05:20:12] | Jester86-Laptop: | picture is PERFECT but no audio.. |
| [05:20:26] | wagnerrp: | yikes, even CATIA dropped !windows support for V6 a couple years ago |
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| [05:22:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | wagnerrp, any reason my ABC station wouldnt be putting any audio out? |
| [05:22:24] | wagnerrp: | should be MPEG2/AC3 |
| [05:22:24] | jhezer_: | how is your audio hooked up? |
| [05:22:33] | wagnerrp: | like every other ATSC station |
| [05:22:52] | Jester86-Laptop: | i have my audio being pushed out over optical digital and using software volume control |
| [05:23:12] | Jester86-Laptop: | seems like its only that station doing it |
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| [05:23:34] | Jester86-Laptop: | the picture on it is amazingly clear tho which makes me think its not a reception issue |
| [05:24:30] | Jester86-Laptop: | going to try to find this recording and play it in vlc |
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| [05:25:31] | Jester86-Laptop: | if you have mythfrontend playing live-tv and it ctrl+alt+d is it supposed to throw the video to your wallpaper? b/c mine did lol |
| [05:26:00] | Jester86-Laptop: | its not a great picture the wallpaper somewhat overpowers it but still pretty sweet |
| [05:28:05] | Jester86-Laptop: | hmm |
| [05:28:15] | Jester86-Laptop: | seems like its something with the station |
| [05:28:50] | wagnerrp: | here we go! |
| [05:28:55] | wagnerrp: | unigraphics still runs on unix/linux |
| [05:29:17] | wagnerrp: | hooray for Siemens! |
| [05:30:41] | wagnerrp: | theres a handful of free and non-free linux tools |
| [05:30:49] | wagnerrp: | but thats the only big name i recognized |
| [05:32:28] | wagnerrp: | freecad looks interesting |
| [05:33:16] | wagnerrp: | NX isnt the kind of thing the end user purchases |
| [05:33:43] | jhezer_: | hmm connectino refused mounting / |
| [05:34:05] | wagnerrp: | you can tell pretty quickly when there is no option to purchase from their website, only a corporate contact page |
| [05:34:06] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:34:25] | jhezer_: | haha |
| [05:34:26] | jhezer_: | nice |
| [05:35:10] | wagnerrp: | i should checkout freecad |
| [05:35:17] | wagnerrp: | i still want to get this case designed up |
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| [05:35:35] | wagnerrp: | and the trial version of rhino is more a graphical design program, rather than CAD |
| [05:36:35] | jhezer_: | case for what? |
| [05:37:12] | wagnerrp: | frontend computer case |
| [05:37:42] | jhezer_: | ah, neat |
| [05:38:17] | jhezer_: | my familyroom FE is a mess right now |
| [05:38:50] | wagnerrp: | mine is just a beige box hidden behind a large entertainment center |
| [05:38:51] | jhezer_: | have a decent looking stereo compent styled case, but that atom/ion mobo is out on RMA so I have another FE I rarely use in here |
| [05:39:25] | jhezer_: | but the HS's fan is dieing and it is a ultra slim one and I don;t have anymore so now the PSU hangs out the back of the case and there is a large fan on the HS |
| [05:40:14] | jhezer_: | see, fun times lately... dead MBE, dead FE |
| [05:40:42] | jhezer_: | and a vacation in the middle of it all so lost a bunch of recordings and had to delay ordering replacement parts till we got back from the trip |
| [05:41:24] | jhezer_: | 3 weeks later finally have a mostly useable system again |
| [05:43:58] | xris: | anyone know how to get the firmware for the dcr-2650? |
| [05:45:53] | xris: | iamlindoro: you have one of these or is yours the standard hdhr prime? |
| [05:56:58] | xris: | guess I fire up Windows. :) |
| [05:57:53] | iamlindoro: | xris: Mine is a Prime |
| [06:00:16] | xris: | wish there was a way to extract the firmware and check. everything in the web UI suggests it's a prime — even the "new firmware" link goes to silicon dust. :) |
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| [06:52:30] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: oh the joys of DVB... I've tested the patch in #10054 and I have a feeling it's improving the situation but we're not there yet... (aka looks like there are other issues in scanning over here. tested on DVB-C/T) |
| [06:53:46] | wagnerrp: | i just love the joys of users commenting on such tickets asking about the current progress, when all the current progress is logged on the ticket they just decided to skim over |
| [06:54:50] | dekarl: | Ahh, we had that. Now I'm compiled my first mythtv and took it for a ride :) |
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| [07:06:19] | dekarl: | Should ChannelUtil::DeleteChannel clean out the program guide for the deleted channel, too? Or is it left for debugging and simply deleted as time moves on? |
| [07:06:59] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: my personal favorite was some complaint on a forum about the sort order of the upnp server |
| [07:07:09] | wagnerrp: | so i searched down the file and line that needed to be changed |
| [07:07:24] | wagnerrp: | and even gave the replacement SQL query to use |
| [07:07:51] | wagnerrp: | so two weeks later, someone quotes the message with that information, asking if anyone could 'fix the upnp server' for them |
| [07:08:07] | wagnerrp: | its not even a single line, its like 20 characters |
| [07:08:51] | wagnerrp: | so i respond about how its not a 'fix' but a 'feature', and as such would not go into 0.24-fixes, and if they wanted it they were going to have to compile it on their own anyway |
| [07:09:03] | wagnerrp: | so may as well get their hands dirty and apply the changes themselves |
| [07:09:10] | wagnerrp: | so they ask me what changes would need to be made |
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| [07:09:34] | dekarl: | Ahh, I'm preparing an answer for that question with super m1 (he's doing the coding, I'll test)... basically a "build your fixes/master mythtv plus some patches you want to test" one liner. |
| [07:09:55] | dekarl: | well for the "but I can not compiler, will you do it for me" question |
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| [07:10:16] | wagnerrp: | its basically like giving someone a connect-the-dot book, and having them ask for what order the numbers go in |
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| [07:11:22] | dekarl: | the question about ChannelUtil was wrt http://pastebin.com/Nsm7C5Gv |
| [07:11:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont know much at all about the channel stuff |
| [07:11:44] | dekarl: | while testing #10054 I noticed that I got left over multiplexes |
| [07:13:08] | dekarl: | hmm, shall I just file a bug "when deleting video source, delete its multiplexes, too"? |
| [07:13:53] | wagnerrp: | may as well, considering dtv_multiplex entries are tied to a single sourceid |
| [07:14:22] | wagnerrp: | im not sure if theres really any harm leaving them in |
| [07:14:29] | wagnerrp: | besides unused cruft in the database |
| [07:15:03] | dekarl: | I wanted them gone because they confused me when I looked if crap multixes got added by the scanner. |
| [07:15:58] | dekarl: | once referential integrity gets enables they need to be deleted anyway... I'll just file a ticket |
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| [07:32:16] | deegan: | Is there a smoth way to updating the channel list without having to to a complete rescan? Like perhaps using scan(1) from the console and just keeping the channels that changed in the conf file and loading that. |
| [07:32:33] | wagnerrp: | just do a minimal updates scan |
| [07:33:04] | deegan: | It's called that? Or is that just an abbreviation for something? |
| [07:33:34] | wagnerrp: | its something along those lines |
| [07:34:02] | dekarl: | What's wrong with a complete rescan? |
| [07:35:05] | deegan: | It just takes so long, and I have to get the channel-id's configured for the EPG and I need to fix any missing icons not showing up. Those types of things. |
| [07:35:55] | deegan: | Basicly mythtv is awesome and I love it, but whenever a channel is moved around which admitedly does not happen very often I have to go through this grueling process of cleaning out channels and rescanning. |
| [07:36:32] | deegan: | I can do without the cleaning out part but then i get duplicates up the yinyang. |
| [07:36:38] | wagnerrp: | there is potentially a solution to that in the works |
| [07:36:49] | dekarl: | true, the channel numbers being rewritten is a bit of work |
| [07:37:10] | dekarl: | but you'll only have to fix the icons once |
| [07:37:25] | wagnerrp: | sweden... nevermind |
| [07:37:33] | wagnerrp: | this would be a solution for US digital cable users |
| [07:37:36] | dekarl: | you can just scan the one transponder (scan one transponder) |
| [07:37:37] | deegan: | yea it's me, satguy! :) |
| [07:38:23] | deegan: | dekarl: I could but i'm not 100% sure all the time which one is the right so i end up punching in the V/H frequency from lyngsat. I could get better at this i know. :) |
| [07:38:40] | dekarl: | hehe, wrt the duplicates you might want to test the patch on #10054 :D (just teasing) |
| [07:39:11] | deegan: | wonder which one i'm running, 'cause i do nightly-builds of my own. |
| [07:40:34] | deegan: | v0.24.1-99-gfdfc989-dirty |
| [07:40:53] | deegan: | "dirty", should I be concerned. :) |
| [07:41:00] | dekarl: | hmm, my transponder list shows the frequency as main identification. but either way should work |
| [07:41:16] | dekarl: | you have uncommitted local changes? |
| [07:41:33] | deegan: | I dont do development myself but I build from git every night. |
| [07:42:30] | dekarl: | Ahh, I though you apply some patches on top of git |
| [07:44:50] | deegan: | Also this is something I've always wondered. When I start scanning at the first available frequency will mythtv continue scanning everything in the V/H available on the satelite? Meaning: I'll do one scan on V and then another on H. |
| [07:45:42] | dekarl: | is that actually used in the wild? (H/V on the same frequency) |
| [07:47:24] | deegan: | http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/canaldigital.html I mean if i start scanning on the first H freq available in that list it seems like mythtv will go on and scan everything that it can lock on H. |
| [07:48:02] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: is there by chance an XMLTV DTD for defining channels? |
| [07:49:31] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: there's upcoming lineup and technical channel details work. but nothing released so far. The current format just defined channels by name/icon |
| [07:49:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: as in lineups? No not yet. They haven't agreed one yet. There are basically 2 competing methodologies. One is good. The other is far from good |
| [07:49:55] | wagnerrp: | robert kulagowski is looking to start collecting information from Prime users, and redistributing it through schedules direct |
| [07:50:03] | dekarl: | are you thinking of something that can do analogue lineups? |
| [07:50:38] | wagnerrp: | something to allow clearqam users to get virtual channel mappings and xmltvids automagically |
| [07:51:46] | dekarl: | hmm, for DVB land that's easy (more or less) but how can you identify a channel? I couldn't find a unique ID like ONID/SID when I glanced at the ATSC/OpenCable Specs |
| [07:51:48] | justinh: | and ultimately something to allow DVB & analogue users of xmltv to get their lineups populated |
| [07:52:17] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: frequency and program number |
| [07:52:17] | justinh: | as opposed to the complete & utter car crash we've got to contend with now (external script nightmare etc) |
| [07:52:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning it would be very region limited |
| [07:52:41] | justinh: | well they're gonna need location & provider info too |
| [07:52:42] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: aye, so you have to go with regional lineups :( |
| [07:52:56] | justinh: | xmltv will rely upon location info too |
| [07:53:06] | dekarl: | it will? |
| [07:53:09] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:53:30] | dekarl: | makes sense for ATSC/OpenCable, not so much for DVB |
| [07:53:31] | justinh: | because at least in the UK, we have many regional variants of the same channels |
| [07:53:45] | dekarl: | every regional variant comes with a unique ID... |
| [07:54:05] | dekarl: | on sec I'll pull out that script that uses that to populate mythtv for the _uk_rt grabber |
| [07:54:08] | justinh: | I don't think they're absolutely sure about that |
| [07:55:43] | justinh: | and I reckon of the 2 'alternative' methods for lineup population only the 2nd one (in the xmltv wiki) actually has a solid footing |
| [07:55:49] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: well in any case, hes just using a pipe separated list currently |
| [07:55:52] | dekarl: | there, the updateid_2.* stuff http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php |
| [07:56:10] | justinh: | dekarl: I very much doubt he's got all the ITV/BBC region info |
| [07:56:55] | dekarl: | hmm, one can always ask at the bbc, they seemed to like mythtv iirc |
| [07:57:03] | justinh: | "The requested URL /myth/updateid_2.1.tar.gz/ids.cfg was not found on this server." |
| [07:57:31] | justinh: | I'm pretty sure the serviceIDs for the BBC & ITV regional variants are the same |
| [07:57:43] | dekarl: | site is not maintained... try http://parker1.co.uk/myth/updateid_2.0/ids.cfg |
| [07:58:02] | dekarl: | format is "name,serviceid,xmltvid" |
| [07:58:20] | dekarl: | the onid id for DVB-T in UK is static (at least) |
| [07:58:25] | justinh: | WTH? clever boy... or somebody was |
| [07:59:02] | justinh: | ah it's missing Tyne Tees |
| [07:59:22] | justinh: | and BBC.north-east :-) |
| [07:59:28] | justinh: | still, not a bad beginning |
| [07:59:34] | dekarl: | I stumbled upon his site when I was looking if using just ONID:SID would stand any chance... (to avoid having to manualy define lineups for every DVB-T cell) |
| [08:00:05] | dekarl: | and it would. I've seen reports how it breaks all kind of stuff when the rules are violated :D |
| [08:00:32] | justinh: | anyway, I thought the same serviceid thing was an issue because somebody here was asking a while back & he said he was looking for how channels can be checked for uniqueness |
| [08:00:52] | justinh: | but at least according to that, they vary by region – which is good news |
| [08:01:25] | justinh: | I could pull out some more info for that data – I know people in at least 2 areas missing from it |
| [08:01:56] | justinh: | and why the hell isn't this stuff in the WIKI damnit? Instead of hiding it away on some fricking broken site! |
| [08:01:59] | dekarl: | he's got newer data somewhere (talks about 2.1 when I just saw 2.0 in an easily consumeable place) |
| [08:02:35] | dekarl: | and I tested the assumption with ben, ONID/SID is unique in 19.2E, too |
| [08:02:49] | justinh: | ben? |
| [08:03:04] | dekarl: | ben bucksch of the second proposal at the xmltv wiki |
| [08:03:24] | justinh: | ah. that's the proposal I like :) |
| [08:03:40] | justinh: | bah. his 2.1 file is still missing region data |
| [08:04:00] | dekarl: | mine is here http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/NoLineupProposal but it's restricted to the DVB area |
| [08:04:07] | justinh: | I can get the data for at least one region myself :) |
| [08:04:34] | justinh: | maybe mr parker only travels to the regions he's got data for, by himself ;) |
| [08:05:14] | dekarl: | maybe I should just implement it as additional option and get the configuration api extended for the mythtv web setup and see how it goes... (ahh, only 24 hours each day... need to work at night, too) |
| [08:05:45] | justinh: | the 2nd proposal is much better, and allows for use with more scenarios |
| [08:05:46] | dekarl: | but nobody replied when I asked for comments about the interaction for automatic configuration part :( |
| [08:06:19] | justinh: | and it's more in line with the stuff xmltv is doing for lineups already (in the UK at least) |
| [08:06:20] | dekarl: | the second proposal can be thought of the second step after mine... |
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| [08:07:20] | justinh: | I still think I kinda set the ball rolling on that, going off & sorting the initial data out myself. if my script-fu was up to much I might've even finished it |
| [08:07:37] | justinh: | this has all been needed for a *long* time |
| [08:07:55] | justinh: | er... 2009?! These files have a modified date of sometime 2009?! |
| [08:08:45] | dekarl: | yes, it's say that matthias stepped down before he finished it, but such is life... someone needs to pick it up and finish it... and for many that someone is "not me" |
| [08:08:47] | dekarl: | :( |
| [08:08:52] | dekarl: | s/say/sad/ |
| [08:09:15] | justinh: | nick is a great driving force – at least for uk_rt |
| [08:10:21] | dekarl: | maybe we should just clone him :) |
| [08:10:27] | justinh: | dekarl: when services.mythtv.org was initially being talked about I saw all sorts of possibilities for getting this kind of thing off the ground |
| [08:10:52] | justinh: | there's nothing to say that all this *has* to be done via xmltv |
| [08:11:05] | dekarl: | like collecting triples of "onid/sid + grabber name + xmltvid" ? |
| [08:11:44] | justinh: | dekarl: no, for hosting up to date data |
| [08:12:17] | justinh: | getting the data will initially require input from users in every region |
| [08:12:19] | dekarl: | I've been researching a bit what other epg consumers need for matching. e.g. how to get the data into WMC, etc. Need to add that to the concept |
| [08:12:31] | justinh: | bah. screw them :-) |
| [08:12:55] | justinh: | don't they already have their precious WMC guide data & automagical liuneup population anyway? |
| [08:13:07] | dekarl: | whaaaat? I'll just tap their knowledge anytime to refine my concept ;) |
| [08:13:21] | dekarl: | not for all regions |
| [08:13:35] | justinh: | heh. I thought they had the whole world covered |
| [08:14:07] | dekarl: | and many others ship with "one your guide data for free" coupons |
| [08:14:16] | dekarl: | args, s/your/year/ |
| [08:14:29] | justinh: | dekarl: so is mr parker, to your knowledge, ever involved in xmltv development. I'm just wondering where his data has come from |
| [08:14:44] | dekarl: | I have no idea who he is |
| [08:15:06] | dekarl: | oh, and we have supplements.xmltv.org similar to services.mythtv.org for static up to date data hosting |
| [08:15:40] | justinh: | the only problem as I see it, is keeping data up to date |
| [08:15:54] | justinh: | but then we still have that problem with linux dvb-utils anyway |
| [08:16:42] | dekarl: | but that's working well for the fixups for _uk_rt via the xmltv users list, might work as well for the channel maps |
| [08:16:55] | justinh: | sometimes I've *cursed* those fixups |
| [08:17:32] | dekarl: | and it's easy to wrap up a "export my video source in the right format" script via the perl bindings |
| [08:18:20] | justinh: | when collecting the ID data though all you'd need is the region they're in. don't believe everything the user has configured ;) |
| [08:19:09] | justinh: | I had a lot of fun getting the UK TV region postcode data into a useable format :D |
| [08:21:39] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [08:23:02] | dekarl: | Hmm, what would the region be good for? Guessing if they carry different per region stream under the same service_id umbrella? Or to guess what regional variant they might be getting? |
| [08:24:04] | dekarl: | When I collected german DVB-T data sets from scan I could allocate explicit regions to most service IDs (do to them having the right name, including region, in at least on instance) |
| [08:24:06] | justinh: | no, when *collecting* the initial data |
| [08:24:48] | justinh: | so then WE would know (the collators of the data) that ITV1 in Tyne Tees region is itv1.tyne-tees.itv.co.uk etc |
| [08:25:18] | justinh: | you could just collect data from willing users, but your sample size would have to be large enough that you could rely upon the data |
| [08:25:41] | dekarl: | ahh, why can the authorities not just released their service_id lists... :( |
| [08:25:59] | justinh: | they might well be around somewhere |
| [08:27:22] | dekarl: | for initial data of transponders its easy, theres a list for all of europe in machine readable form available... for service_ids I only could find some list on forums (well and harvest lyngsat for sat lineups obviously :) |
| [08:27:23] | justinh: | might not hurt to ask somebody at arqiva |
| [08:29:41] | Scopeuk is now known as Scopeuk-AFK | |
| [08:29:59] | dekarl: | that's the operator of the UK DVB-T networks? |
| [08:30:51] | dekarl: | it's what I meant when I said "might ask BBC" |
| [08:32:43] | dekarl is now known as dekarl_off_to_wo | |
| [08:33:50] | deegan: | man this stuff takes all day, no wonder i hate doing this. :) |
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| [08:40:15] | justinh: | hmm nothing on the arqiva website. surprise surprise |
| [08:41:53] | justinh: | whoah. |
| [08:42:29] | justinh: | seems there *was* http://dtt-tx-info.org. not anymore |
| [08:43:12] | sid3windr: | hey justinh |
| [08:43:15] | sid3windr: | did you get to keep your job? |
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| [08:44:57] | justinh: | apparently so. I'm still gonna leave ASAP though |
| [08:45:25] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [08:45:37] | sid3windr: | so is it a good or a bad thing then :/ |
| [08:45:53] | sid3windr: | if you want to go, I presume getting fired is better? at least in .be it is |
| [08:46:01] | sid3windr: | as you get a severance pay or whatever it's called in english :) |
| [08:46:35] | justinh: | believe me it's not worth hanging around for the redundancy pay even though I've been here 9 years |
| [08:46:45] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [08:46:58] | justinh: | I'd get £400 for every year I've worked here |
| [08:47:51] | sid3windr: | well I hope you find something nice to do instead – at least now you've still got a job while you're looking :) |
| [08:47:56] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:48:17] | justinh: | yesterday was very stressful for everybody. Infact the last few days have been |
| [08:53:13] | redxine: | anyone here a magician with regex? |
| [08:53:47] | justinh: | wouldn't call myself a magician.. |
| [08:53:59] | justinh: | s/magician/genius/g |
| [08:54:23] | redxine: | Having trouble turning <a href="/programme/bbc7/2011-09–26/17:00:00"> into <programme name="bbc7/2011-09–26/17:00:00"> |
| [08:54:53] | laga: | if you use regex to turn XML into another XML dialect, your reproductive organs fall off |
| [08:54:56] | laga: | true story, bro. |
| [08:55:10] | redxine: | xD |
| [08:55:24] | laga: | see the first answer her: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/re . . . ntained-tags |
| [08:55:29] | laga: | s/her/here/ |
| [08:55:53] | justinh: | s/\a\ href=\"\//programme/ I think |
| [08:56:07] | justinh: | for the first part anyway |
| [08:56:17] | sid3windr: | more like s%a href="programme/%programme name="% |
| [08:56:17] | redxine: | Well I can't just have it parse all the <a> tags, because there's more than just the particular links I want. |
| [08:56:18] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [08:56:23] | justinh: | what the hell are you doing scraping bbc pages anyway? |
| [08:56:36] | laga: | also, noam chomsky would like to talk to you about regular languages VS context free languages |
| [08:56:38] | redxine: | Redux API magic :P |
| [08:56:48] | justinh: | redux API? WTF?! |
| [08:57:04] | redxine: | First rule of redux is not to talk about redux. So guess I've broken that one :P |
| [08:57:23] | redxine: | *makes sparkles with magic fingers* |
| [08:58:37] | redxine: | And I'm not parsing the HTML completely with regex. I'm just fettling it into an XML that'll be easier to reformat :P |
| [08:59:29] | laga: | you just gave me a brain hemorrhage |
| [08:59:34] | redxine: | x3 |
| [08:59:44] | justinh: | BBC Redux? |
| [09:00:18] | redxine: | effectively the future of iPlayer. |
| [09:00:38] | justinh: | effectively nothing. it's closed to muggles |
| [09:00:50] | redxine: | All the programmes are being captured and recorded into the dirac codec. |
| [09:01:00] | justinh: | it's closed to muggles |
| [09:01:15] | redxine: | Muggles being people outside the B, then yes. |
| [09:01:29] | sid3windr: | non-magicians! |
| [09:02:05] | redxine: | it'll be content for set top boxes too if companies decide to pick it up. |
| [09:03:09] | justinh: | "This is not a public service, access is restricted to BBC staff and partner companies" |
| [09:03:14] | justinh: | "This is not a public service, access is restricted to BBC staff and partner companies" |
| [09:03:26] | redxine: | Yup :P |
| [09:04:07] | justinh: | so you've somehow got a login for it (god only knows how) and you want help developing a script no member of the public – not least of which a mythtv user – will be able to use ? HAH |
| [09:04:42] | redxine: | "....restricted to BBC staff...." |
| [09:05:05] | redxine: | :D] |
| [09:05:11] | laga: | i still feel the regex part is the worst ;) |
| [09:05:19] | justinh: | IMHO you should be killed just for asking |
| [09:05:49] | redxine: | That is the one book missing from my library xD |
| [09:06:04] | redxine: | I'm not sure how much the perl cookbook would have helped me |
| [09:06:14] | justinh: | somebody with access to an API they have no clue how to use properly.. such injustice |
| [09:06:39] | redxine: | That's the thing – the redux staff hasn't written an API yet. |
| [09:07:00] | redxine: | Hence my needing to scrape [surprisingly consistent] HTML |
| [09:07:00] | laga: | i'm sure the perl cookbook would help you there |
| [09:07:46] | justinh: | I doubt BBC Redux will ever become 'everything the BBC iPlayer should have been' anyway. Media creators made iplayer what it is today |
| [09:07:48] | ** redxine flips through hundreds of pages, watching regex flash before his eyes ** | |
| [09:08:23] | redxine: | it could be worse. I remind you it used to use a DRM'ed Real player stream |
| [09:08:29] | justinh: | the don't let the BBC have anything under just any old conditions |
| [09:08:37] | justinh: | s/the/they/ |
| [09:08:53] | justinh: | redxine: and flash is better? LOL |
| [09:09:28] | redxine: | I never said the alternative was better. |
| [09:09:34] | redxine: | It was just a lesser of two evils. |
| [09:09:40] | justinh: | barely |
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| [09:09:51] | redxine: | Would you be surprised if I told you Adobe helped develop Redux? :P |
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| [09:10:02] | justinh: | adobe should FOAD |
| [09:10:02] | redxine: | even THEY know flash is bad. x3 |
| [09:10:20] | justinh: | so just how is redux going to enable the viewer to be trusted hmm? |
| [09:10:38] | Beirdo: | yay. |
| [09:10:52] | redxine: | It's still in R&D. Haven't the faintest idea. |
| [09:10:58] | redxine: | Beurocracy sucks, doesn't it? |
| [09:11:00] | justinh: | it's not. it can't. unless they're moving to giving every licence fee payer their own login |
| [09:11:05] | Beirdo: | first OpenCL processor is finished, I think |
| [09:11:24] | Beirdo: | that was fun |
| [09:11:50] | Beirdo: | justinh: what all should I look for audio-wise for commercial detection? |
| [09:12:01] | Beirdo: | any ideas bouncing around in yer brain? |
| [09:12:16] | justinh: | redxine: I'm just saying there's bugger all point. the content creators will always insist on some kind of protection. the bastards. I mean somebody using redux/iPlayer could just rip everything & torrent it! |
| [09:12:56] | justinh: | Beirdo: er... I can't remember |
| [09:13:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:13:06] | redxine: | Sure, but that's no different than someone with a capture card recording whatever's over the air. |
| [09:13:29] | justinh: | redxine: yeah, and the content creators would certainly put a stop to that if they had the power to |
| [09:13:36] | Beirdo: | I have detection of audio level (in a 32ms window) being more than 6dB above the recording average, or 12dB or more below it |
| [09:13:39] | Beirdo: | (using RMS) |
| [09:14:04] | Beirdo: | I also am measuring the dynamic range (peak/RMS) |
| [09:14:07] | justinh: | Beirdo: in my own manual analysis of recordings I was finding like -80dB gaps |
| [09:14:17] | redxine: | Why would someone torrent it if they can just get it from the website without hindrance in the first place? |
| [09:14:22] | justinh: | Beirdo: little point doing peaks |
| [09:14:38] | justinh: | redxine: who knows? people insisting on DRM know no logic |
| [09:14:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, if it's below 12dB down, the chances are it could be a transition to/from commercial |
| [09:14:47] | redxine: | Either the legitimate channels of distribution need to respect the freedom of the consumer or DRM will win out. |
| [09:15:05] | laga: | DRM will win? |
| [09:15:05] | redxine: | quite. |
| [09:15:16] | justinh: | redxine: so anyway what's this redux thing offer that iplayer doesn't? apart from the silly new codec I mean |
| [09:15:18] | redxine: | No... |
| [09:15:29] | redxine: | Silly? It's a royalty free codec. |
| [09:15:34] | Beirdo: | justinh: the peak/RMS ratio can be used potentially in USA |
| [09:15:43] | justinh: | redxine: so? silly |
| [09:15:44] | Beirdo: | as they compress the crap outta commercials |
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| [09:16:09] | Beirdo: | I should see a pointed reduction in that ratio during compressed commercials |
| [09:16:24] | justinh: | Beirdo: be interesting if you do |
| [09:16:30] | Beirdo: | dynamic compression that is :) |
| [09:16:37] | Beirdo: | aye. |
| [09:16:37] | redxine: | Dirac is hardly silly. However this was supposed to be the primary way of transcoding and pushing shows onto your mobile. |
| [09:16:46] | justinh: | sigh. |
| [09:16:53] | Beirdo: | next fun is to start coding some video processors |
| [09:17:09] | redxine: | when Apple dropped flash it became a need in the back of someone's head |
| [09:17:21] | justinh: | all I need is to be able to get to work & find my smartphone's battery half flat :P |
| [09:17:25] | Beirdo: | and to further abstract some of my code |
| [09:17:45] | redxine: | Yeah, but you would have been watching last night's Doctor Who on the way there :P |
| [09:18:02] | justinh: | I wouldn't have been watching Doctor Who. not after the last series |
| [09:18:14] | redxine: | OHH pish posh. |
| [09:18:18] | redxine: | It's exciting! |
| [09:18:28] | justinh: | the last series almost tipped me over from being a licence fee supporter to NOT supporting the fee anymore |
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| [09:18:45] | justinh: | redxine: it's not. ooo mobile Teevees... it's all very MEH |
| [09:18:53] | justinh: | 2nd screens etc... MEH |
| [09:18:58] | redxine: | It apparently has a market haha |
| [09:19:10] | justinh: | they ask the wrong people. they *always* ask the wrong people |
| [09:19:22] | justinh: | it has a potential audience when it costs nothing to the end user |
| [09:19:53] | justinh: | they did trials of DVB-H remember – and the punters LOVED the idea til they found out what it was gonna cost them. LOL |
| [09:19:57] | redxine: | Following the same logic then, GNU/Linux has all the reason in the world to have a larger-than-potential audience. |
| [09:20:35] | justinh: | ordinary people are OS agnostic |
| [09:21:11] | redxine: | Ordinary people hardly care or know what browser they use. |
| [09:21:25] | justinh: | so you can't consider them a potential audience |
| [09:21:39] | redxine: | because the people with money are pushing them like cattle. |
| [09:21:46] | justinh: | because to become part of the audience you currently have to make a conscious decision to *use* linux |
| [09:21:53] | justinh: | so? |
| [09:22:05] | justinh: | I just don't buy into all this freetard stuff. people don't care |
| [09:22:29] | redxine: | And that sounds like the end of that. |
| [09:22:36] | justinh: | muh, this isn't open, this isn't 'free'. nobody really cares. I just want stuff to work |
| [09:23:20] | redxine: | "I just want stuff to work" – Spoken like a windows media centre user :P |
| [09:23:21] | justinh: | some people care, sure. But until they're in a significantly larger number nothing is going to change |
| [09:23:32] | justinh: | I'm only using MythTV cos it works |
| [09:24:07] | redxine: | There's been many complaints from these "normals" we speak of that myth is much too difficult to configure. |
| [09:24:07] | justinh: | if MCE & BDA drivers had worked with the tuner card I'd bought before I even tried linux we wouldn't be having this conversation |
| [09:24:19] | redxine: | Heh |
| [09:24:25] | justinh: | redxine: mythtv in itself is not hard to configure |
| [09:24:39] | justinh: | getting the niceties like xmltv data, remote controls etc.. can be a bitch |
| [09:24:43] | justinh: | that is not mythtv's fault |
| [09:25:18] | redxine: | No; flexibility comes at a cost of prerequisite knowledge. |
| [09:25:31] | justinh: | mythtv is NOT hard to configure |
| [09:25:47] | justinh: | people don't want to read |
| [09:25:51] | justinh: | so they fail |
| [09:26:11] | justinh: | we see it here a lot, people wanting complete bloody walkthroughs. the lazy bastards |
| [09:26:58] | redxine: | "There's this wonderful book we've published called THE WIKI'" |
| [09:27:01] | redxine: | x3 |
| [09:27:32] | justinh: | what doesn't seem to help is that the way some people package mythtv actually makes life harder depending on which docs you follow. I mean if you follow the official docs but you're on a distro which 'helps'... hahaha |
| [09:27:44] | justinh: | redxine: not 'we' "the project" though |
| [09:27:59] | redxine: | s/we/the\ project/g' |
| [09:28:00] | justinh: | it's 'we' "THE USERS WHO COULD BE ARSED TO EDIT PAGES" |
| [09:28:10] | redxine: | xD |
| [09:28:24] | justinh: | who are generally exactly the kind of people you do NOT want |
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| [09:29:49] | ** justinh wonders how a BBC employee manages to be in Germany anyway ** | |
| [09:30:15] | redxine1: | Extended holiday :3 |
| [09:30:37] | redxine1: | and I can't stop complaining about this terrible telekom DSL |
| [09:30:59] | justinh: | thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded, employees get about 6 weeks off a year |
| [09:31:18] | redxine1: | don't remind me >< |
| [09:31:46] | justinh: | mind, thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded I've had many a drink at Radio One's expense |
| [09:32:08] | redxine1: | Haha. How so? |
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| [09:35:31] | justinh: | redxine: the benefits of being a +1 :-P |
| [09:35:48] | redxine: | ^.^ |
| [09:36:58] | justinh: | anyhow, the idea of dirac is well intentioned but it's not well supported yet. I mean you're not going to be able to play dirac encoded files on an iPhone/iPad/Android anytime soon... |
| [09:37:07] | justinh: | or even mythtv |
| [09:37:48] | redxine: | It actually does work with the files I've tested. |
| [09:37:54] | justinh: | with mythtv? |
| [09:38:02] | redxine: | Also redux supplies an MPEG2/4 transcoding also |
| [09:38:03] | redxine: | Yes. |
| [09:38:20] | redxine: | Otherwise I've only gotten it working in VLC |
| [09:38:33] | justinh: | seems like a waste of resources transcoding to a format bugger all things can actually use |
| [09:38:57] | redxine: | Yeah but it's not very practical to stream uncompressed MPEG2 to a mobile xD |
| [09:39:12] | redxine: | Or sucky Telekom DSL >< |
| [09:39:16] | justinh: | wonder if any chip manufacturers are going to make silicon for it – considering there'll be 0 royalties on the codec |
| [09:39:42] | redxine: | There is hardware already I think |
| [09:40:24] | redxine: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/1 . . . x_proje.html |
| [09:40:56] | redxine: | Here we go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/index.shtml |
| [09:42:42] | justinh: | better if the BBC hadn't wasted all that money on it |
| [09:43:42] | justinh: | heh. apparently it doesn't perform as well as h.264 |
| [09:43:57] | redxine: | h264 is patent encumbered though. |
| [09:44:08] | justinh: | so? |
| [09:44:25] | justinh: | pay the nice people their fee & carry on |
| [09:45:36] | redxine: | at the expense of maybe not supporting everybody. This is going back the the DRM argument. |
| [09:47:58] | justinh: | hell, if Flash content would play on my hardware without tearing I doubt I'd even be bothered |
| [09:48:22] | redxine: | Fortunately, I'm bothered x3 |
| [09:48:26] | justinh: | I won't be buying anything with Intel video again |
| [09:48:32] | justinh: | nvidia all the way from now on |
| [09:48:42] | justinh: | yummy closed drivers WHICH WORK |
| [09:50:26] | redxine: | I still have bad feelings about nVidia. One day they could just chose not to make yummy closed drivers work and I'll be stuck with useless hardware. |
| [09:50:40] | justinh: | but at least they *did* work at one point |
| [09:50:53] | justinh: | you won't be any worse off with the open drivers then :-D |
| [09:51:08] | redxine: | Besides I never liked their hardware strategy. They have super complex ALU's and compensate with a higher clock speed. |
| [09:51:23] | redxine: | And who's to say there'll be any open drivers? |
| [09:51:23] | justinh: | everybody's a frickin expert with an opinion |
| [09:52:01] | redxine: | Everyone's entitled to one. It's just yours sucks. x3 |
| [09:52:30] | redxine: | So what happens when every major Linux distro ditches X11 for Wayland and nVidia still decides they won't support it? |
| [09:52:36] | justinh: | who cares! |
| [09:52:49] | justinh: | anyway 'major' distro only means Ubuntu right now |
| [09:53:16] | redxine: | So Fedora, Cent OS, SuSE, etc. are out of the question? |
| [09:53:26] | justinh: | have they said they're ditching X? |
| [09:53:32] | redxine: | Why wouldn't fedora make the switch also? It's just as bleeding edge. |
| [09:53:47] | justinh: | AFAIK only Canonical have mentioned it |
| [09:54:14] | redxine: | so nVidia's mentioning that they won't support it isn't a mention either? |
| [09:54:47] | justinh: | "Open source furry"? ROFLMAO |
| [09:55:18] | redxine: | Oh christ another one >< |
| [09:56:29] | ** redxine wonders which one justinh is reading ** | |
| [09:57:47] | redxine: | Okay I haven't a clue what you're reading xD |
| [09:58:04] | redxine: | Must be twitter because I haven't visited it in a while lol |
| [09:58:23] | justinh: | amazing what you can find when you google people's IRC nicks |
| [09:59:16] | ** redxine googles himself O3O ** | |
| [09:59:42] | redxine: | .... Speed dating France??!?!?!? |
| [10:00:25] | redxine: | wow I have a last.fm o.o |
| [10:01:06] | justinh: | so do I. damned if I can rememeber the details though |
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| [10:01:51] | justinh: | BBC employee my arse. LOL |
| [10:02:24] | justinh: | there are a couple of *real* BBC employees who visit #mythtv from time to time. they log in from work |
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| [10:03:01] | ** redxine giggles ** | |
| [10:03:50] | ** justinh lays some more baited furry traps ** | |
| [10:03:50] | redxine: | that aside from the fact they're not supposed to have installed IRC client on their desktop in the first place, right? :P |
| [10:04:16] | redxine: | Trying to catch them all, are we, justinh? x3 |
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| [10:04:49] | justinh: | sadly not, but a mass culling would be good for the internet in general |
| [10:05:06] | justinh: | them & Michael Jackson fans |
| [10:05:22] | justinh: | especially the ones who can't even spell his fricking name right |
| [10:05:29] | redxine: | Granted I'm not a representative of all the furries of the internet.... |
| [10:05:50] | redxine: | There are many, particularly on facebook, who drive me up a wall. |
| [10:06:01] | justinh: | those of a nervous disposition, put your paws over your eyes now... |
| [10:06:12] | redxine: | o.o |
| [10:06:13] | ** redxine hides ** | |
| [10:07:20] | ** justinh hides redxine. ** | |
| [10:08:03] | redxine: | I've always been particularly fond of the acceptance and tolerance the furry community can offer. Unlike a few other.... cults..... |
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| [10:09:01] | redxine: | ... did I just call it a cult? x3 |
| [10:10:36] | redxine: | aside from that it's just about the only venue I have left to keep what little creative juices I have left flowing. |
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| [10:14:32] | ** redxine searches the room for fluffy ears ** | |
| [10:15:04] | justinh: | tolerance? they have to be pretty tolerant. They're a bunch of bloody nutjobs |
| [10:15:14] | redxine: | >_> |
| [10:16:08] | laga: | dude, they're harmless people who have a slightly weird hobby |
| [10:16:16] | justinh: | nutjobs! |
| [10:16:22] | laga: | hell, even I believe i'm a cat sometimes |
| [10:16:31] | redxine: | People on 4chan are [mostly] nutjobs. |
| [10:17:52] | redxine: | How else would the communists marching on Wall Street be able to organize? |
| [10:18:03] | justinh: | I can't agree or disagree with that statement. I've never been on there |
| [10:18:22] | redxine: | /g/ (technology) is okay |
| [10:18:38] | laga: | i sometimes go on krautchan, /fit/ mostly, for the lulz |
| [10:18:53] | redxine: | SImply because mostly everyone there who has a brain and anything to talk about are actually sensible about it. |
| [10:19:16] | redxine: | but don't even get me started on /b/ or some of the... darker... sections. |
| [10:19:17] | justinh: | IRC used to be full of lulz, then we went all 'family friendly'. I miss the old days |
| [10:19:19] | ** redxine shudders ** | |
| [10:19:43] | justinh: | family friendly.. jesus what next? not shouting at noobs for being stupid? :-O |
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| [10:19:52] | redxine: | haha x3 |
| [10:19:59] | redxine: | A politically correct RTFM |
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| [10:20:15] | justinh: | linux would be nowhere without its air of superiority :D |
| [10:20:35] | justinh: | but the whole 'free' moral high ground stuff just grinds my gears |
| [10:20:40] | redxine: | I thank the hacker mentality that surrounded Unix |
| [10:20:52] | justinh: | damn hippies |
| [10:20:56] | redxine: | even Unixware came with the source code though |
| [10:23:11] | redxine: | Back in 1993, redmond decided that they were going to gather up all the experts they could, and pay them to create credited encyclopedia content. |
| [10:23:57] | redxine: | And then 2001, a few crazies decided they wanted to do the same thing with a completely different business strategy. |
| [10:24:30] | redxine: | You could not find one sober economist in the world who would have predicted that it would be the billion dollar company to discontinue their product. |
| [10:24:54] | justinh: | wikipedia sucks. they won't allow me to undo 'facts' somebody posted which are actually untrue. Go dumb-ocracy |
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| [10:25:18] | redxine: | no, but the fact that you even have a voice in it is spectacular. |
| [10:25:20] | justinh: | the problem with user-contributed anything is that nothing is ever really authoritative |
| [10:25:41] | justinh: | I don't even have a voice in it |
| [10:25:49] | redxine: | but you just countered yourself. You said you're not allowed to do anything, entailing that there is no authority |
| [10:25:58] | redxine: | s/no// |
| [10:26:51] | redxine: | if it was in Encarta you couldn't add pages or change anything at all. |
| [10:26:54] | justinh: | there's a bit in wikipedia about a village where I spent most of my life. they won't let me change it to remove the basic untruths |
| [10:27:16] | justinh: | yes but in Encarta you don't get idiots putting stuff which is completely baseless in there |
| [10:27:39] | redxine: | have you tried the talk page for said article? |
| [10:27:43] | justinh: | at worst you get errors repeated – but not by some malicious nutjob having LOLs |
| [10:31:04] | justinh: | redxine: no. I got pissed of with some jumped up 'expert' overruling my attempts to correct things |
| [10:31:45] | justinh: | they at least added 'citation needed' for some of the 'facts' but still... |
| [10:32:38] | redxine: | Well then perhaps providing a citation for your argument. |
| [10:33:10] | justinh: | apparently "I lived there for many years & never heard of such a thing, nor ever saw it" isn't good enough |
| [10:33:35] | redxine: | The find a publishing. Or create one. |
| [10:33:45] | justinh: | so some no-mark who has never been there decides they know better |
| [10:33:48] | justinh: | it's stupid |
| [10:34:13] | justinh: | so we end up with it being my word against the village idiot |
| [10:34:21] | redxine: | "As the popular joke goes, ‘The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work.’" |
| [10:34:34] | justinh: | it doesn't work |
| [10:34:44] | justinh: | I'm living proof |
| [10:34:53] | justinh: | users shouldn't be allowed to edit a lot of stuff |
| [10:34:59] | redxine: | 4 million articles and 2.4 million page views per month is hardly not working. |
| [10:35:23] | justinh: | & they're still begging for money |
| [10:35:48] | quicksilver: | the red cross and oxfam beg for money |
| [10:35:50] | redxine: | because they aren't making any. |
| [10:35:57] | quicksilver: | that doesn't mean the red cross and oxfam "don't work" |
| [10:36:01] | quicksilver: | that's how charities are run. |
| [10:36:10] | redxine: | Add ridden isn't in any description for wikipedia. |
| [10:38:18] | justinh: | anyway.. it's deeply flawed |
| [10:38:44] | justinh: | people regard it as the great panacea, proof that user-contributed everything is the way forward.. and it ain't. IMHO |
| [10:39:10] | redxine: | I don't think so. I think everyone's just finding fault in it. |
| [10:39:18] | justinh: | user contributed TV. Look at Youtube. How many Star Wars Kid takeoffs have there been now? |
| [10:39:49] | redxine: | Look at Justin Beiber. Annoying, granted, but otherwise what someone would consider a success. |
| [10:40:04] | justinh: | he's a c*** |
| [10:40:10] | justinh: | a product |
| [10:40:13] | deegan: | If i chose to use an existing scan from a previous date, what exactly is included in that? Is there a list of frequencies or does it also contain channel info? |
| [10:40:16] | redxine: | Without youtube he'd just be another kid on a home video. |
| [10:40:36] | justinh: | deegan: what do you mean? |
| [10:40:45] | justinh: | deegan: do you mean scan existing transports? |
| [10:41:13] | deegan: | justinh: no there's an option labeled "Import existing scan". |
| [10:41:21] | justinh: | Oh Thunderbird, you retard. An email I'm typing is NOT A NEW EMAIL. |
| [10:41:35] | justinh: | deegan: that's a .conf file. AVOID |
| [10:42:14] | justinh: | I mean, Thunderbird, I'm typing an email & you tell me I have new mail. Yeah in my DRAFTS folder. Ducking idiot |
| [10:42:32] | deegan: | justinh: noted. It's just this is taking so long, I have to go through every single freq. available at lyngsat otherwise I miss lots of channels but at the same time i get duplicates for other channels. |
| [10:42:33] | ** redxine half expects justinh to start praising MS outlook for it's handling of message markings ** | |
| [10:42:34] | justinh: | there's got to be a better free email client than this |
| [10:42:49] | redxine: | I use evolution, simply because it' integrates well |
| [10:42:56] | justinh: | evolution for windows? nah |
| [10:42:59] | redxine: | it reads my email. I'm content. |
| [10:43:13] | redxine: | and integrates in my system calendar. |
| [10:43:17] | justinh: | we got rid of MS Office, and our exchange server |
| [10:44:27] | deegan: | I'm starting to think perhaps i should just restore a previous backup and try out the "scan existing transports" option and just ignore any "i found X old channels, what do you want to do?" messages. |
| [10:45:05] | deegan: | that has to be more effective than this, because it will take all day just weening out the duplicates and non-working channels from the working channels. |
| [10:45:46] | redxine: | Eww gross exchange. |
| [10:45:52] | redxine: | What did they replace it with, justinh? |
| [10:45:58] | deegan: | And I mean "working channels" as in they dont give me the error "failed to tune to channel" when i want to view it. |
| [10:46:09] | justinh: | some crappy 'service' provided by electricmail |
| [10:46:22] | justinh: | deegan: I don't understand the scanner. I hate it |
| [10:46:41] | justinh: | it's never adequately explained what everything means |
| [10:46:58] | justinh: | I just delete everything when I rescan |
| [10:47:01] | justinh: | every damn thing. gone |
| [10:47:02] | deegan: | AS do i. |
| [10:47:17] | justinh: | then I have a script to map xmltvids & icons to channels |
| [10:47:52] | deegan: | But then i start scanning and when it's done I go to the next frequency and start scanning and after that i get duplicates but i also get new channels so I cant exactly skip going through every single thing on lyngsat. |
| [10:49:25] | deegan: | It's just.. It takes so long, and I cant exactly leave it there because I need to punch in new numbers once the scan is done. I'm thinking perhaps i could use the scan utility and just get a .conf file going and load that in to mythtv. |
| [10:49:52] | deegan: | never tried that before, or maybe i have and it didnt work out but that was when i first started using mythtv and had absolutely no idea what i was doing. |
| [10:53:06] | deegan: | Alright thats it, I'm trying the "existing transports" option. |
| [10:53:07] | justinh: | you shouldn't really use .conf files |
| [10:53:27] | justinh: | it's there, but technically only as a means of last resort |
| [10:53:41] | deegan: | worst case scenario i can always revert back to a backup that has most channels working. |
| [10:54:42] | deegan: | I'm a bit curious as to how it decides which transports are not working and are not used, because i can swear that when i set stuff to "invisible" after having a message like that there are several channel numbers renamed to _<channelnumber> in the list that previously was just <channelnumber>. |
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| [10:55:12] | deegan: | justinh: Good to know, then i'll never try that. No point in wasting more time on this. :)( |
| [10:55:15] | deegan: | :) |
| [10:55:50] | justinh: | deegan: but having used the internal scanner myself a few times I can see why people feel the need of it |
| [10:57:51] | deegan: | wow yea no, the transports are messed up. I get waaay to few channels this way. |
| [10:58:17] | quicksilver: | justinh: I don't think arguing with you about wikipedia is going to be a fun way to spend a Tuesday, but my point is that there is a middle ground between "doesn't work" and "panacea". |
| [10:58:32] | quicksilver: | justinh: like most things in the world it's flawed and has problems, but it's also interesting and useful. |
| [10:59:56] | justinh: | deegan: how much mileage you get out of it depends how much the channels have moved around |
| [11:00:18] | justinh: | quicksilver: I'm just in a super pissed-off mood today. it's all the furries' fault |
| [11:00:28] | redxine: | Oi! |
| [11:00:45] | ** justinh lays some more traps & poisoned bait ** | |
| [11:00:51] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [11:01:08] | ** redxine sips tea, unamused ** | |
| [11:02:06] | justinh: | what's this on the ML? "alternate profile for Videos that won't play using VDPAU". but.. I thought VDPAU worked with *everything* ! |
| [11:02:45] | justinh: | LOL. Downloaded videos. File under 'go die in a fire, torrent user' |
| [11:04:26] | redxine: | x3 |
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| [11:27:45] | sid3windr: | there is a recent onslaugt of multiplication by 3 in this channel, brought on by redxine :> |
| [11:32:56] | justinh: | is there an emoticon for leaving traps lying around? |
| [11:36:27] | redxine: | o.o |
| [11:37:23] | redxine: | Do people really think of =3 as "equals three"? |
| [11:37:43] | redxine: | *face paw* don't even get me started on Ray William Johnson. |
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| [11:39:30] | redxine: | besides, anyone with decent knowledge in computing should know that x does not denote multiplication. * does. |
| [11:39:57] | redxine: | And you don't see me making *3 everywhere. What is this, Python? |
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| [13:22:57] | justinh: | yeah, sure this DVR's aux power output can deliver 3.5A at 12V. If you want the outside of the casing to reach 70 degrees C |
| [13:23:26] | redxine: | o.o |
| [13:23:50] | redxine: | which DVR? |
| [13:28:37] | justinh: | the DVR we make here |
| [13:28:45] | justinh: | well one of them anyway |
| [13:29:23] | justinh: | it took 24 hours to reach that temperature which in theory should be ok cos the units don't stay up that long ordinarily |
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| [13:35:36] | redxine: | 70° /outside/ the enclosure? |
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| [13:51:15] | justinh: | yes but of course! nothing inside the box is heatsinked so that's just air conducting the heat to the case extrusion. LOL |
| [13:52:04] | justinh: | it's ok though. the internal fan (not vented) spreads the heat around quite well |
| [13:52:22] | justinh: | SMART data from the HDD says it's only at about 62 C :D |
| [13:55:19] | quicksilver: | justinh: that's quite convenient actually |
| [13:55:34] | quicksilver: | 70 is exactly the temperature required to cook eggs |
| [13:55:45] | justinh: | it is? excellent! |
| [13:55:46] | quicksilver: | just lay a piece of foil and a little butter on top of the unit |
| [13:56:08] | justinh: | why bother with the foil? The casing is anodised already. Non-stick :D |
| [13:56:34] | ** justinh gets the products promotional images & sets out to find some CC images of eggs ** | |
| [14:00:16] | deegan: | btw why is channum a varchar in the db? |
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| [14:01:00] | justinh: | deegan: because it is |
| [14:01:13] | justinh: | presumably because it isn't always a number |
| [14:02:19] | deegan: | Just curious because there's a column named "visible" which i would asume shows/hides the channel from the list but then i've also noticed channum being _1234 for when the scanner wants to "hide" the channels. |
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| [14:07:35] | justinh: | the visibility flag is for users' use only |
| [14:07:46] | justinh: | whatever the scanner does is its own business. Apparently |
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| [15:52:36] | mmiller: | Anyone have any experience with mythweb erros like !NoTrans: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION '63': !! and !!NoTrans: Failed to set php timezone to !! ? |
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| [15:55:31] | redxine: | I got a few errors, yeah but I think they worked out. |
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| [15:55:42] | redxine: | I had trouble with the previews not rendering. |
| [15:56:09] | wagnerrp: | the 'unexpected response' often means your backend is deadlocked, or you are connecting to something other than a mythtv backend |
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| [16:02:12] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, What tells mythweb how to connect to the backend? |
| [16:02:38] | wagnerrp: | the mythweb.conf file you edited points mythweb at the database |
| [16:02:46] | wagnerrp: | the database contains information on the location of the backend |
| [16:02:58] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs to see if you are having failed connections |
| [16:07:03] | mmiller: | Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt |
| [16:07:08] | mmiller: | looks like it might be a issue. |
| [16:07:12] | mmiller: | or is that normal? |
| [16:08:04] | wagnerrp: | your backend logs state that? |
| [16:08:24] | mmiller: | it also looks like I'm getting duplicate entry for key primary. |
| [16:08:35] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, yeah |
| [16:08:48] | wagnerrp: | could you paste the whole thing? |
| [16:08:56] | mmiller: | yeah |
| [16:08:59] | wagnerrp: | that file should have been created when you configured mythtv with mythtv-setup |
| [16:09:14] | wagnerrp: | or, it could be a false positive, complaining about it not being found in one of the many places it looks |
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| [16:19:54] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/ZqZ4DsG9 |
| [16:21:32] | wagnerrp: | well it found the database, so i wouldnt be too concerned about that 'unable to read configuration file mysql.txt' |
| [16:22:41] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, yeah I figured as much. |
| [16:23:00] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, I've been banging my head on this issue for a week or so. |
| [16:23:01] | wagnerrp: | if i had to guess, i would say those mysql errors were the EIT scanner kicking in and trying to update your guide data |
| [16:23:26] | mmiller: | ls |
| [16:24:13] | wagnerrp: | a six hour program doesnt seem right, unless this is a weather subchannel or something |
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| [16:24:30] | mmiller: | where are you seeing that? |
| [16:24:42] | wagnerrp: | first sql error line |
| [16:25:35] | wagnerrp: | although youre getting some errors on the primaries as well |
| [16:25:47] | wagnerrp: | are you doing only EIT? or are you mixing this with schedules direct data? |
| [16:26:16] | mmiller: | I'm only supposed to be doing schedules direct. |
| [16:27:07] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup and make sure you dont have the 'eit' box checked |
| [16:27:57] | wagnerrp: | the issue i was looking for is one where the protocol server in the backend deadlocks |
| [16:28:08] | wagnerrp: | it allows connections, but it never services them |
| [16:28:23] | wagnerrp: | and you see warnings in the logs about timed out connections |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | but i dont see that here |
| [16:32:13] | mmiller: | I don't see the EIT box in the channel editor. |
| [16:32:20] | mmiller: | I'm on 0.24. |
| [16:32:30] | iamlindoro: | useonairguide |
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| [16:36:07] | wagnerrp: | http://imagebin.org/183160 |
| [16:36:29] | iamlindoro: | !trout wagnerrp Windows Widgets |
| [16:36:29] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a Windows Widgets trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [16:37:08] | wagnerrp: | hey now, at least im running X |
| [16:37:14] | wagnerrp: | see the top left icon? :) |
| [16:38:00] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, I have Use on air guide XMLTV |
| [16:38:31] | wagnerrp: | XMLTV is xml data downloaded from an external script |
| [16:38:45] | wagnerrp: | while on air guide is that downloaded from the broadcast stream |
| [16:38:54] | wagnerrp: | 'use on air guide xmltv' makes no sense |
| [16:39:15] | iamlindoro: | Also need to make sure to disable EIT on the video source itself |
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| [16:41:50] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, OK I just unchecked perform EIT scan. |
| [16:42:24] | redxine: | lol NT. |
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| [16:46:15] | mmiller: | When I run mythfilldatabase I am getting Protocol version check failures. |
| [16:46:33] | wagnerrp: | those protocol check failures are the ones im talking about |
| [16:46:44] | wagnerrp: | although usually some evidence shows up in the backend logs |
| [16:47:06] | mmiller: | yeah nothing is showing up in the log. |
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| [16:50:52] | mmiller: | I am getting unable to determine master backend time zone setting when I run mythfrontend. |
| [16:51:23] | wagnerrp: | the first thing it does when it connects to the backend is check timezones |
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| [16:51:59] | wagnerrp: | so if its not servicing any requests, it cant do so |
| [16:52:23] | wagnerrp: | the only way to currently resolve it is by restarting the backend |
| [16:52:48] | wagnerrp: | its an unknown issue, with an as yet unknown cause |
| [16:52:59] | wagnerrp: | but it only seems to affect a small percentage of users |
| [16:53:56] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, An when I start up mythfrontend I get the following. http://pastebin.com/UKT3d2JK |
| [16:57:21] | mmiller: | ok looks like restarting the backend caused it to spit this out. |
| [16:57:27] | mmiller: | 2011-11–08 08:55:13.963 Using protocol version 63 |
| [16:57:54] | mmiller: | I'm no seeing if mythweb is still reporting protocol version errors. |
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| [18:02:54] | dekarl_off_to_wo: | wagnerrp: ahh, you pulled it, I'm just testing the enhanced script. |
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| [18:03:13] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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| [18:03:25] | dekarl: | > Merge pull request #19 from superm1/master |
| [18:03:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, request from #ubuntu-mythtv-dev |
| [18:04:19] | dekarl: | yeah, when I started to test how to rebuilt packages with a patch (to have minimal work / difference) he went ahead and extended the script :) |
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| [18:05:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [18:10:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right now, its actually an independent repository, so limiting to that specific repository should be simple |
| [18:11:10] | wagnerrp: | although i expect limiting to a single folder should be possible as well |
| [18:11:20] | wagnerrp: | beirdo would know more about that |
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| [18:14:21] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [18:14:30] | Beirdo: | sorry, was off fixing crap at work (agian) |
| [18:14:43] | wagnerrp: | check question in email |
| [18:14:47] | Beirdo: | aaaah |
| [18:15:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think that's possible. I'll check |
| [18:18:28] | dekarl: | btw, should the main page of the wiki link to the trac timeline when it's disabled? is it possible to enable the timeline *with only ticket changes*? |
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| [18:20:30] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: done. Added a new team which has push/pull access to packaging only. |
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| [18:51:42] | mmiller: | Where can I check what the master backend timezone is set to? |
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| [18:54:01] | jams: | date +%Z |
| [18:54:36] | jams: | anything more then that would be distro specific |
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| [18:58:11] | mmiller: | I'm gettig MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty error. |
| [18:58:41] | mmiller: | When I try to watch live tv I get MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings. |
| [19:01:11] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you've not configured the backend properly, and that it's either not running or running in a limited capacity |
| [19:01:26] | iamlindoro: | Complete backend logs to a pastebin would be necessary to give any assistance |
| [19:01:55] | wagnerrp: | mmiller: its the same issue i was talking about previously, where the backend protocol server deadlocks |
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| [19:05:30] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, Ok so how do I go about getting the deadlock fixed or finding it? |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | we have yet been able to find it |
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| [19:06:09] | mmiller: | Ahh |
| [19:06:15] | wagnerrp: | there have been a couple commits that hope to eliminate it, and the occurrence of complaints on the mailing list has dropped |
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| [19:06:31] | wagnerrp: | but as with all race conditions, its hard to trace down |
| [19:06:37] | mmiller: | yeah |
| [19:06:43] | mmiller: | hummm |
| [19:06:45] | wagnerrp: | especially when its one only experienced by a small subset of users |
| [19:06:47] | mmiller: | I did a rpm install. |
| [19:07:01] | mmiller: | So I can't just get the new commits and try to recompile. |
| [19:07:42] | iamlindoro: | no, really, someone should pastebin backend logs |
| [19:08:11] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, Nothing shows up in the backendlogs. |
| [19:08:16] | wagnerrp: | he did a couple hours back |
| [19:08:24] | wagnerrp: | although just with standard verbosity |
| [19:08:49] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, How do I turn up the logging? |
| [19:08:58] | iamlindoro: | I want current backend logs |
| [19:09:05] | iamlindoro: | not from when he had EIT all jacked up |
| [19:09:11] | iamlindoro: | which one presumes will be fixed now |
| [19:09:28] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, yeah I turned off EIT. |
| [19:09:30] | iamlindoro: | also, the logs posted before were not complete, and didn't show backend startup, which is where the real information is anyway |
| [19:10:24] | mmiller: | well tell me how to turn up the logging to full verbose and I'll give you a new pastebin with full log output. |
| [19:10:28] | iamlindoro: | need to stop the backend, truncate the log, start the backend, produce your problem, and pastebin logs |
| [19:10:32] | iamlindoro: | no, no more verbosity |
| [19:10:36] | iamlindoro: | just proper methodology |
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| [19:19:46] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/DzRf8nd1 |
| [19:23:41] | iamlindoro: | You don't appear to have produced your problem in these logs, or made any other attempt to watch TV |
| [19:24:29] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, I did and I get output via standard out in the window I'm running mythfronted in. |
| [19:24:46] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, nothing in the backend log. |
| [19:25:27] | iamlindoro: | Then your frontend isn't configured to point at your backend, or you have modified some value to an illegal one |
| [19:25:52] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, How do I check that? |
| [19:26:07] | iamlindoro: | ead your config.xml and mysql.txt files on the frontend |
| [19:26:11] | iamlindoro: | are they separate systems, or the same? |
| [19:26:22] | mmiller: | same |
| [19:27:00] | iamlindoro: | Then my random guess would be that you have either a) used a hostname somewhere in mythtv-setup instead of the IP address as you're supposed to, or b) changed a port in a config file to point at the wrong one |
| [19:28:05] | iamlindoro: | But nearly impossible to tell without seeing them. Would also need to see a fresh frontend log to see what config file it's attempting to read, and what values its using for connections |
| [19:28:45] | iamlindoro: | and why are you running mythfrontend as root??????? |
| [19:29:43] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, It's currently the only user on that system. |
| [19:29:51] | iamlindoro: | w...t....f? |
| [19:29:56] | iamlindoro: | *Why*? |
| [19:29:59] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, I'm lazy like that. |
| [19:30:11] | wagnerrp: | i bet there are dozens of users on that system besides root |
| [19:30:29] | iamlindoro: | in addition to being lazy, it's virtually certain to cause you problems with myth |
| [19:30:30] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, An you would be wrong. |
| [19:30:37] | iamlindoro: | oh christ here we go |
| [19:30:47] | Beirdo: | wc -l /etc/passwd |
| [19:30:53] | Beirdo: | that would say for sure :) |
| [19:31:10] | ** wagnerrp bets it will be in the 20s ** | |
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| [19:32:17] | mmiller: | I'll create a user and see if I'm still having the same issues |
| [19:32:33] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm, I respectfully refuse to troubleshoot this system on the grounds that it's broken by design |
| [19:32:53] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, I set up the machine a week ago. |
| [19:32:54] | wagnerrp: | mmiller: unless you are using some very custom distro like ddwrt, or built your own LFS system |
| [19:33:04] | iamlindoro: | mmiller: and? |
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| [19:33:08] | wagnerrp: | any modern linux distro is going to come with several dozen users by default |
| [19:33:42] | wagnerrp: | just as people make fun of windows users who run as Administrator, they make fun of linux users who run as root |
| [19:33:49] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, I meant that there are no other users on the system besides root and the defaults which root is one of the defaults. |
| [19:34:27] | wagnerrp: | its inherently insecure and asking for trouble |
| [19:34:40] | iamlindoro: | Note, though, that the BE is *not* deadlocked, but rather the FE is running in a completely jacked and misconfigured environment |
| [19:34:52] | iamlindoro: | BE is up and healthy |
| [19:35:02] | iamlindoro: | problem is "other" |
| [19:37:46] | mmiller: | I'm going to have to redirect this to a file. |
| [19:38:25] | iamlindoro: | mmiller: Go into mythtv-setup, select 1) General, take a screenshot, and post it to an imagebin |
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| [20:05:13] | mmiller: | iamlindoro, Did you get that /msg I sent you? |
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| [20:23:22] | Beirdo: | so I found something fun last night. |
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| [20:23:53] | Beirdo: | if you go off the end of the buffer in the GPU's local memory you will almost assuredly need to power cycle. |
| [20:24:15] | Beirdo: | allocated space for 12 long4... and wrote 16. |
| [20:24:16] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [20:24:31] | Beirdo: | it was really not happy with me |
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| [20:24:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: apparently github notifies you when you get added to a new team |
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| [20:24:48] | Beirdo: | Oh :) |
| [20:24:52] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [20:25:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | any reason why plugreport is returning errors? |
| [20:25:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | Node 0 GUID 0x00194799001c6f65 |
| [20:25:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | ------------------------------ |
| [20:25:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR |
| [20:25:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR |
| [20:25:24] | Beirdo: | this isn't #plugreport :) |
| [20:25:34] | Jester86-Laptop: | is there even a #plugreport? |
| [20:25:35] | Beirdo: | ooohhh, firewire? Dunno |
| [20:25:59] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah .. hoping to change my channels via firewire |
| [20:26:20] | justinh: | you know, thing that somebody might want to use in a mythtv system, so obviously they come here! :-) |
| [20:26:58] | justinh: | Beirdo: look at the plus side. At least you don't need a new GPU |
| [20:27:12] | Beirdo: | justinh: true enough :) |
| [20:27:25] | Beirdo: | that was on the 550Ti too, so really a good thing |
| [20:28:09] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'm trying to follow the wiki with this thing but it doesnt make sense |
| [20:28:38] | Jester86-Laptop: | th wiki tells you to install the deps for the old stack if the firmware doesn't support firewire by default |
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| [20:30:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | i get data return when running lsmod | grep firewire so that should mean i dont need to install the old deps for ieee1394 right? |
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| [20:30:31] | Beirdo: | no idea |
| [20:30:40] | Beirdo: | I only use firewire for my DVD changer |
| [20:30:54] | Jester86-Laptop: | haha really? |
| [20:31:54] | Jester86-Laptop: | surprised you don't have USB on that |
| [20:32:35] | Beirdo: | it has firewire, that's how it was made. Works well too, other than when it wants to misbehave |
| [20:36:15] | justinh: | speaking of USB, we need to respin a bunch of boards so USB will work. HA-HA. I said they should qualify the interface hardware |
| [20:36:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:36:57] | Jester86-Laptop: | i think the USB on my cablebox works for control |
| [20:37:15] | Jester86-Laptop: | i had an SA box back in ohio that worked via usb keyboard |
| [20:37:41] | justinh: | but instead they're going to use a different chip so they don't have to be so careful with PCB layout. idiots |
| [20:37:55] | justinh: | Jester86-Laptop: heh. that's pretty rare |
| [20:38:14] | Jester86-Laptop: | justinh, i think most SAs work that way |
| [20:38:23] | justinh: | rare as in pretty much unheard of around here |
| [20:38:26] | Jester86-Laptop: | you just have to figure out what keys you need to use |
| [20:38:40] | justinh: | and make a USB host look like a HID |
| [20:38:57] | justinh: | kinda tricky, that one |
| [20:39:04] | Jester86-Laptop: | it didnt work until i had pressed a ton of keys then all the sudden it started adjusting channels via number input |
| [20:39:21] | Jester86-Laptop: | justinh, arduino ;) |
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| [20:39:38] | justinh: | like I said, kinda tricky |
| [20:39:51] | Jester86-Laptop: | lol |
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| [20:40:42] | justinh: | well obviously not tricky if you're used to diddling about with arduino boards |
| [20:40:45] | Jester86-Laptop: | well there are plenty of tutorials for using the arduino as a USB input device |
| [20:40:53] | Jester86-Laptop: | yeah lol |
| [20:41:20] | justinh: | I've been tempted to get into embedded crap. might expand my career prospects |
| [20:41:36] | Jester86-Laptop: | ok i need to figure out why plugreport is returning errors |
| [20:41:39] | justinh: | prolly better getting out of electromoronics altogether though :-) |
| [20:43:22] | Jester86-Laptop: | i think i figured it out.. wiki says to edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| [20:43:36] | Jester86-Laptop: | doesn't mention blacklist-firewire.conf |
| [20:44:36] | Beirdo: | embedded stuff is just so fun |
| [20:44:45] | Jester86-Laptop: | lol |
| [20:44:58] | Jester86-Laptop: | i'm rebooting that box to see what i get once its up again |
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| [20:47:46] | Jester86-Laptop: | nope.. still returning error reading oMPR |
| [20:47:51] | Jester86-Laptop: | and iMPR |
| [20:49:06] | Jester86-Laptop: | does oMPR and iMPR corrispond to recording only? b/c i know i cant stream video over the firewire.. i just need to be able to control channels |
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| [20:53:46] | justinh: | maybe your FW box isn't enabled |
| [21:07:08] | Jester86-Laptop: | it should be |
| [21:07:30] | Jester86-Laptop: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility |
| [21:07:36] | Jester86-Laptop: | SA4240HDC |
| [21:08:00] | wagnerrp: | just because your box supports firewire doesnt mean time warner had to give you a box with it enabled |
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| [22:00:14] | Jester86-Laptop: | is there an integrated feature in .24 to work with firewire? |
| [22:00:39] | wagnerrp: | to record from, yes |
| [22:01:03] | dekarl: | redxine: what does it mean if starttime + duration overlaps the next start time by 1–9 minutes on AFN channels? (which one should be moved around) |
| [22:02:16] | Jester86-Laptop: | was thinking for channel changing |
| [22:02:39] | wagnerrp: | when you are using the recorder, will will change the channels through firewire |
| [22:02:50] | wagnerrp: | s/will will/it will/ |
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| [22:12:26] | Jester86-Laptop: | where can i get the files for firewire_tester.. i cant seem to find them anywhere online |
| [22:12:32] | Jester86-Laptop: | every url given is dead |
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| [22:17:17] | wagnerrp: | biffhero: you know, smolt has been packaged with fedora, with mythtv specific extensions, for years |
| [22:17:34] | wagnerrp: | were simply integrating it and expanding the capabilities |
| [22:17:43] | biffhero: | what's smolt? |
| [22:18:01] | biffhero: | ah, send up your stats. |
| [22:18:06] | wagnerrp: | [17:16] <biffhero> I just saw " ▪ Hardware profiler to help developers understand the user's hardware landscape (opt-in)" |
| [22:18:12] | biffhero: | yeah. |
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| [22:19:49] | biffhero: | I think that you all should bang on us users for more of that data. I would even be OK with you all knowing that about 45% of our CNC (command and control) comes from an RF keyboard, and 55% comes from the mythtv remote application on my mac laptop. I don't know how that info could be used, but mythtv is a pretty rockin' app. |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | well the idea is that we can see what kind of things mythtv is used with |
| [22:20:52] | wagnerrp: | improve support in some areas, drop support in others |
| [22:21:13] | biffhero: | The OS tab on http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/static/stats/stats.html makes me think that Fedora release 15 has it on by default. |
| [22:21:45] | wagnerrp: | like... we could know when users had abandoned their PVR-350s for output, or when XvMC is no longer needed on a significant amount of machines |
| [22:22:30] | biffhero: | yep. |
| [22:28:51] | Jester86-Laptop: | bahh i can't get this thing to work. in the wiki for firewire compatibility it says that this model works for channel changing though |
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| [22:31:58] | dekarl: | redxine: here's an example for an AFN importer https://github.com/dekarl/nonametv/commit/702 . . . 50b7911951c0 the output looks like that http://xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org/xmltv/dis . . . t_2011-11-07 |
| [22:32:51] | wizbit: | I have been given a Sony KLV-30HR3, its a old LCD what only has RGB SCART inputs, I have connected it to my frontend using a VGA > RGB scart box. Its native resoltion is 1280 x 768. I cannot get it above standard PAL resolution 576x720, could this be something to do with it being old and SCART? |
| [22:39:17] | Jester86-Laptop: | when i run: dmesg | grep firewire i see firewire_core: created device fw0 |
| [22:39:32] | Jester86-Laptop: | doesn't that mean that the node i should be trying to test is 0 |
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| [22:48:22] | mmiller: | anyone running CentOS 6? |
| [22:48:44] | redxine: | mmiller: Not with myth, no |
| [22:49:28] | redxine: | and dekarl, Thanks for that; I've gotten it working with schedules direct but I'll try to get this working for future builds. |
| [22:50:30] | redxine: | It's on my server. |
| [22:50:34] | redxine: | and PBX |
| [22:51:11] | wagnerrp: | the problem with centos6 is the issue that people suffered with centos5 in the past |
| [22:51:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv wants new python versions, new perl versions, new php versions, new qt versions |
| [22:51:41] | redxine: | Cent 6 should be new enough o.o |
| [22:51:44] | wagnerrp: | and your 3yr old OS reaching the end of its life cycle doesnt offer such things |
| [22:51:48] | redxine: | I could have sworn it had python 2,6 |
| [22:51:53] | redxine: | or 27 |
| [22:51:58] | redxine: | Cent 6 was just released |
| [22:52:01] | wagnerrp: | or, you get new hardware, and it has too old a kernel for support |
| [22:52:20] | wagnerrp: | yes, centos6 works fine now |
| [22:52:27] | redxine: | Cent and RHEL is geared towards servers with a long support cycle. |
| [22:52:28] | wagnerrp: | a year or two down the line, it might not |
| [22:52:47] | wagnerrp: | which leaves you with an old version of myth, or manually patching in new external dependency versions |
| [22:53:08] | redxine: | It's meant for long term plausibly commercial support. |
| [22:53:46] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, Hey it offers Perl 5.12. |
| [22:54:07] | mmiller: | wagnerrp, an python 2.7.1. |
| [22:54:30] | mmiller: | My issue is the frontend to backend communication. |
| [22:55:00] | redxine: | Is SELinux enabled? |
| [22:55:23] | mmiller: | redxine, nope |
| [22:55:44] | redxine: | What say the logs then? |
| [22:56:07] | mmiller: | redxine, The backend logs say everything is normal. |
| [22:56:33] | mmiller: | redxine, The frontend logs say it's unable to talk to the front end. |
| [22:56:57] | mmiller: | redxine, I didn't use a hostame I used a IP address like I was supposed to for the db connection. |
| [22:57:13] | redxine: | There's no configuration mismatch then? |
| [22:57:15] | mmiller: | It's pointing to the correct ports. |
| [22:57:38] | redxine: | Are you able to login to the server just from the mysql cli on the frontend also? |
| [22:57:50] | redxine: | That would give light as to if it's a server configuration issue or not. |
| [22:58:14] | redxine: | I can't remember with Cent, but the default may only listen on localhost. |
| [22:58:31] | mmiller: | redxine, yeah I'm able to log into the mysql server. |
| [22:58:51] | mmiller: | redxine, yeah it's pointing to localhost. |
| [22:59:10] | redxine: | Sorry, are the front and backend on the same machine? |
| [22:59:19] | mmiller: | redxine, yeah |
| [22:59:28] | redxine: | Then you should use 127.0.0.1 as the server name |
| [22:59:33] | redxine: | or IP address rather |
| [23:00:24] | redxine: | That way it'll resolve even if the interface is down. |
| [23:05:17] | redxine: | dekarl: Groeten uit Noord-Rijnland-Westfalen! |
| [23:05:23] | redxine: | /all the Dutch I know |
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| [23:13:54] | mmiller: | I'm still getting unable to determine master backend time zone settigs and MYTH_PROTO_VESION which I didn't get earlier when I did a restart of the backend. |
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| [23:29:04] | Jester86-Laptop: | anyone know of a way to remotely restart the HDPVR? |
| [23:29:10] | Jester86-Laptop: | seems like its not operating correct |
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