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Friday, November 4th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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bumblebeebat:

Hi guys, I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 and I have been having tons of problems

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bumblebeebat:

I seen to have lost connection to the mysql server, I am getting the errorQMYSQL: Unable to connect

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bumblebeebat:

Database error was:Can't connect to MySQL server on

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wagnerrp:

is your database running?

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redxine:

if that was the entire error, then the hostname in your frontend config is probably blank

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bumblebeebat:

I am not mysql proficient but I dont think so

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wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep mysql

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sphery:

hehe, you're so bsd--even in your ps'ing

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bumblebeebat:

2116 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto mysql

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bumblebeebat:

that is my output

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wagnerrp:

so that would be a no

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wagnerrp:

mysql is not running

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bumblebeebat:

thanks

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sphery:

you'll need to restart all of mythtv, too, when you restart mysql

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sphery:

easiest approch may be a reboot... though you should probably figure out who's killing your mysql

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bumblebeebat:

When I type in "sudo start mysql" I get Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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sphery:

did you restart mysql, yet?

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sphery:

and is it actually still running?

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sphery:

it may just be dying after you try to start it

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sphery:

maybe a full filesystem is killing it or something?

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bumblebeebat:

I also noticed that when I type in ifconfig, the error count is increasing

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taylorr:

does anyone know if I activate some channels in my Schedules Direct lineup if they'll be added on the next mythfilldatabase run?

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taylorr:

or do I have to go into mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

analog channels?

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sphery:

taylorr: it's supposed to be automatic for analog capture devices

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sphery:

and requires a manual scan on digital

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wagnerrp:

firewire should be automatic as well

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sphery:

but sometimes mythfilldatabase can get confused and not add them to analog when the analog is using a digital lineup

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taylorr:

sphery: what about HD-VPR?

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wagnerrp:

i think iamli ndoro made Primes automatic, or at least he was looking into it

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bumblebeebat:

That got me thinking that maybe there is a problem with my /etc/network/interfaces file. It just has two lines 1: auto lo 2: iface lo inet loopback

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sphery:

that's supposed to be analog, so it should just add them

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wagnerrp:

hdpvr should count as analog

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sphery:

if it doesn't, just run: mythfilldatabase --only-add-channels

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taylorr:

sphery: should I just run mythfilldatabase with no options or add something?

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sphery:

oh, guess if it doesn't, you'd need: mythfilldatabase --only-add-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels

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sphery:

if the auto works, no (out of the ordinary) options required

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sphery:

only need those args if it doesn't automatically add them

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bumblebeebat:

there is no mention to eth0, could this be why mysql will not start

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sphery:

btw, if you run mythfilldatabase without the --help argument, for some reason it runs mythfilldatabase

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** sphery is doing an unscheduled mythfilldatabase run as we speak **

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taylorr:

shame on you

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taylorr:

and shame on me for doing the same :)

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sphery:

bumblebeebat: yes, that sounds like the problem... your network manager or something took down the whole interface because it saw the cable get disconnected or whatever and since mysql is set up to bind to eth0, it's not starting because it can't start in the configuration specified

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sphery:

this is why networkmanager is too smart for its own good

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sphery:

taylorr: worst part is that I'm doing mfdb from my remote frontend

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sphery:

/very/ slow that way

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bumblebeebat:

sphery: Thanks I will try to fix the file

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wagnerrp:

why do we even allow mfd to run from anywhere but the master backend?

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sphery:

bumblebeebat: check to see if you ethernet cable is unplugged or something

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, would be nice to only allow it on mbe

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sphery:

(on mbe host, that is)

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bumblebeebat:

It is plugged in and I can ssh into the box

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sphery:

bumblebeebat: oh, wait... I thought you meant there was no eth0 in ifconfig output... not sure what /etc/network/interfaces is, so what I said probably isn't relevant

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sphery:

though if you really are missing a network (or if mysql start script checks /etc/network/interfaces ), it could well apply

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taylorr:

sphery: the channels got added – thanks!

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

enjoy them

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sphery:

hope you got some good ones

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wagnerrp:

feel free to trash network manager and replace it with some proper init scripts for bringing up the network

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** wagnerrp wonders when gentoo started being the sane OS... **

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kisak:

when hasn't gentoo been the sane OS?

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sphery:

so, a dd-grab-all run takes 1min on my mbe... when run from my remote frontend (actually more powerful hardware, but across the 'net) /without/ --dd-grab-all, it's taken 9 minutes, already and is still marking episode last showings

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wagnerrp:

when most of the people using it needlessly check off on things that break their system just to get that extra 1.5% of optimization

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bumblebeebat:

Yeah in ifconfig I have eth0, I do seem to have a problem though: " RX packets:1891 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0"

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wagnerrp:

when they think that compiling everything yourself makes the system run faster

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sphery:

maybe the broken mysql problems that result in extremely slow performance for some users is a setup that doesn't properly use the unix sockets code, but uses tcp/ip, instead

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wagnerrp:

tcp/ip should work just fine as long as the mysql code doesnt open a new connection for each query

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kisak:

well, I don't use gentoo for peak performance, I use it because I've never been able to break it further than it could heal my mistake for me

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sphery:

it works... just a /lot/ slower than the unix sockets

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sphery:

I'd guess that you'd never be able to break any distro further than you could heal your mistake--if you knew that other distro, too :)

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kisak:

I broke mandriva pretty badly last time I used it

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sphery:

it's a strange thing, really, but people generally know things and don't know other things and they do better with the things they know

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wagnerrp:

you run source so you can run whatever you want, whenever you want, and not have to worry about things being improperly linked

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wagnerrp:

gentoo just exists to facilitate that

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sphery:

12min 11sec

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sphery:

compared to 55–63s

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

(and the 55–63 is with --dd-grab-all, which is much more data)

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wagnerrp:

i run mfdb over the network, and it doesnt take anything like that much time

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wagnerrp:

i average 4:50

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wagnerrp:

and thats populating my significantly larger cable lineup as well

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wagnerrp:

maybe ~100 channels in total

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redxine:

I still don't understand why this script keeps looping

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bumblebeebat:

OK, making some steps in the right direct, mysql working, it looks like it was an error when upgrading. i fixed it with apt-get, see http://www.ubuntux.org/node/9727

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bumblebeebat:

Any word it HD PVR driver version 1.6.29277 works. It is a new beta that was released

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wagnerrp:

are you having a problem with the existing firmware?

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bumblebeebat:

It says it should "Initialize ProcAmp values in Firmware (helps Linux/Mac installations)"

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bumblebeebat:

Some stability problems sometime

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bumblebeebat:

But I can live with it

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bumblebeebat:

I just thought I would inquire about the new driver

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wagnerrp:

i know there have been complaints in the past few weeks about issues the current driver is having with a new firmware versions

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wagnerrp:

note that the driver and firmware are completely independent

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bumblebeebat:

I tried it and have not had success but I have lots of messed up things after my upgrade to 11.10

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wagnerrp:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

i never realized motorola had to license the droid name from lucasfilms

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[R]:

man, i was writing some SMOKIN' assembly code today

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wagnerrp:

and?

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** wagnerrp feels like hes missing the second half of this story **

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[R]:

there needs to be an and?

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[R]:

i was writing the bootstrap code for a bootloader

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[R]:

which was being run halfway through another bootloadre was running

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wagnerrp:

and... somehow it started running on its own, and the computer transformed into a robot that committed suicide out the window

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wagnerrp:

something

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wagnerrp:

anything

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

it ran so fast, it warped the fabric of space time and you punched some guy on the other side of the tear

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wagnerrp:

and just five minutes ago, some strange light appeared behind you, and an arm came out of it and punched you

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i also wrote a perl script that geenrates the commands to the bootrom

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wagnerrp:

oh fun

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wagnerrp:

electricity is wonky again

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shawnboy:

Why would descriptions for some shows start showing up wrongly matched with the wrong show?

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[R]:

shawnboy: what?

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shawnboy:

So, for example, I record a cooking show but the description shows up as the one for some cartoon on a different channel.

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[R]:

odd

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[R]:

try running mythfill

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shawnboy:

I did, and it has happened since.

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shawnboy:

I'm using schedules direct. As far as I can tell it's only one shows on one channel (although most of my recordings are on that channel)

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shawnboy:

part 2: is there a way to edit descriptions?

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[R]:

edit the database?

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shawnboy:

sounds like a procedure in which I could potentially really mess things up. :)

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shawnboy:

If I could get it cleared up for future, I could live with a few days of messed up descriptions.

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shawnboy:

does it matter if I have "use EIT" enabled or not?

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iamlindoro:

The answer he didn't wait for is "yes, that's what's breaking your listings"

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wagnerrp:

oh CHAOS... why did you get canceled...

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[R]:

i almost started watching that

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[R]:

guess its a good thing i didnt

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wagnerrp:

you should have, it was great

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** wagnerrp bans a couple wiki users to raise his mood **

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

besides, plotkin wont miss that, he ate a bullet last week

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wagnerrp:

no, literally, he ate a bullet, on a dare. it got lodged in his lower intestine and septic shock set in. now hes out on full disability and youre the proud new owner of his herman miller.

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wagnerrp:

oh god no

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wagnerrp:

j.lo. may star in a live action carmen sandiego movie

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justinh:

bugger. I bet the HDD price increases are gonna impact our DVR sales. Or profits. Or both

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sid3windr:

where in time is jennifer san dilopez

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sid3windr:

justinh: probably sales due to price hike... but that goes for everything having a disk :[

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gis_a_job:

so that meeting we were all called to on Wednesday when they told us a bunch of people in the states were going to be let go... they sent an email out last night saying there are going to be redundancies here too. Yeah. That's how you do it. Psst, we're not going to tell you who for a few days yet though. Good this, isn't it?

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quicksilver:

gis_a_job: I think they are required by law to announce redundancies before saying who it's going to be.

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quicksilver:

there are certainly some strange laws about notification anyhow

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gis_a_job:

I hope they end up losing many more people than they're pushing out

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gis_a_job:

muhahaha

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wagnerrp:

laga: are you one of the mythtvtalk admins?

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laga:

wagnerrp: no. but i used to be a moderator there, probably still have the rights..

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wagnerrp:

well im more concerned over administrative tasks

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wagnerrp:

getting nothing but a database error

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gis_a_job:

that's one for ludo

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, its back up

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aputerboy:

I am running mythfrontend on my Windows 7 laptop. My setup defaults to full screen mode for playback but browses the gui in a managed window. Yesterday, I pressed something that toggled playback from a fullscreen to a managed window. But I don't know what key (or other condition) did that and I didn't see such a toggle listed in the keybindings faq. Any ideas on what I might have done so I...

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aputerboy:

...can do it again? :P

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wagnerrp:

if i had to guess, atl+enter

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wagnerrp:

but i was not actually aware mythtv had the capability to dynamically change GUI size

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gis_a_job:

it doesn't

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gis_a_job:

it can use different resolutions for video playback vs gui

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aputerboy:

neither did i – it happened accidentally and i was surprised — but there my playback was in a re-sizeable window

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aputerboy:

i was not in setup – this happened dynamically in playback – i might have been pauses – not sure

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gis_a_job:

maybe there's an advantage in running mythfrontend on windows after all then

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aputerboy:

i just remember being surprised to see the window bars and all

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wagnerrp:

--windowed on the command line will turn the window bars on

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wagnerrp:

or you can specify it in the frontend settings

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aputerboy:

i know about that – but what would have caused my ability to switch from full-screen (non-windowed) to windowed dynamically without restarting or without changing settings?

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aputerboy:

btw i tried alt-enter (and many other random keypresses) and couldn't duplicate it

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aputerboy:

so was i dreaming this? or is it possible there is a feature (at least on Win7) that would allow this?

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wagnerrp:

potentially

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wagnerrp:

bring up the OSD, does it look like it is further scaled after being rendered?

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aputerboy:

how do i know whether it is further scaled?

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wagnerrp:

look at it

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wagnerrp:

do the edges look jaggy from poor scaling?

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wagnerrp:

do they look blured from some AA routine?

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aputerboy:

ahhh nooo – looks nice

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wagnerrp:

it will probably be easiest to tell in the text

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wagnerrp:

do you use Xv or opengl on linux?

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aputerboy:

on linux, i use opengl

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wagnerrp:

do you recall ever when using Xv, when you watch SD video at HD resolutions

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wagnerrp:

the OSD will look like crap?

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wagnerrp:

its because the OSD is rendered at the video resolution, baked into the video

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aputerboy:

yeah i do

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wagnerrp:

and then the video is sent to the graphics card where the whole thing is scaled to the output resolution

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aputerboy:

but the OSD looks beautiful in my case now

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wagnerrp:

thats what im talking about

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wagnerrp:

post-scaling would look like that

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aputerboy:

could this be something unique to the Win7 implementation or could it even be a Windows thing that rescales a fullscreen and moves it over into a window?

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wagnerrp:

windows vista and 7 moved to a compositing window manager

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wagnerrp:

everything runs through the graphics shader hardware for transparency and post-scaling

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wagnerrp:

as well as some 3d effects

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wagnerrp:

thats why i say potentially, it could be scaling the full screen mythtv window to another dimension

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wagnerrp:

but were it doing that, you should be able to see evidence of it

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aputerboy:

i would see that at full screen or only when it gets windowized? because i don't remember what the OSD looked like when it was windowized (and I can't repeat it now :P)

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quicksilver:

I recently switched to a 16:9 TV. My myth frontend output was "4:3 and centered". I changed the setting on the TV to tell it that input was 16:9 and now the mythtfrontend UI fills the screen exactly

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quicksilver:

I switched to a widescreen theme which looks slightly nicer, but the other one worked fine.

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quicksilver:

however, when I actually play videos, the aspect ratios are being shown as if it was still a 4:3

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gis_a_job:

yeah I get that

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gis_a_job:

er.. got that

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gis_a_job:

I can't remember what setting I had to use to override it

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quicksilver:

the 'aspect ratio' button cycles through various optons but none of them are quite right

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gis_a_job:

oh wait... there's a xinerama monitor aspect doobry you can set in playback profiles

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gis_a_job:

or something

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quicksilver:

aha thanks

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quicksilver:

I'll look there

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quicksilver:

playback profiles does sound liek a good place to look in retrospect :)

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gis_a_job:

quicksilver: http://pastebin.com/F5xv50VY

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quicksilver:

gis_a_job: aha. Great, thanks :)

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gis_a_job:

time to go home. if any higher ups implore me to 'have a good weekend' they might get a slap

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quicksilver:

have a good weekend!

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high-rez:

Heh, the cable company isn't going to keep its commitment to being at my house for a service at 10... Big surprise there.

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high-rez:

But I went ahead and hooked my hdhr prime up to the cable line anyways... And to my surprise – a very large number of non-local digital SD channels are all in the clear.

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redxine:

does xmltv files normally adjust for daylight savings?

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redxine:

Europe switches back a week before the US, but the AFN schedule is based out of California

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redxine:

My guide is an hour behind

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high-rez:

Heh, awesome Comcast service guarantee. They don't make it on time, so they will "setup a call back" in 30 minutes to inform me when they'll be here.

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high-rez:

Ironically, since they appear to have never actually disconnected the cable at my place, all I even needed was for them to drop of the mcard. ;)

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dekarl:

redxine: xmltv has UTC or localtime plus explicit offset, so there are no issues by design. (but some data sources deliver illegal implicit local time)

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redxine:

The local time is accurate, and the time zone is set to UTC+2 (which is Germany during the summer).

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dekarl:

basically if you followed that rule of the specification and truned your xmltv timezone to auto in mythtv-setup you should not be experiencing any issues

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redxine:

I set the offset to +2 in the myth config

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dekarl:

that's wrong :(

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redxine:

it worked ><

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dekarl:

you would not be asking that question if it worked :D

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redxine:

past tense x3

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redxine:

work_ed_

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dekarl:

non-native speaker

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redxine:

I'll try changing it to +1

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dekarl:

please don't. just set it to auto.

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redxine:

okies o.o

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dekarl:

the setting is on the kill list already

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high-rez:

Heh, call back from comcast – tech really is not even close. This thing has been hooked up the entire time i lived here. Insane.

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redxine:

hrm for some reason notify-send won't work when I use it in my change channel script.

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redxine:

the script itself works fine, and I already added export DISPLAY=:0

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redxine:

and setting it to auto didn't fix the guide problem. O3O

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dekarl:

your grabber returns explicit offset or implicit utc and you did force a reload via mythfilldatabase?

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redxine:

oops just about to try that.

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dekarl:

something like "mythfilldatabase --refresh-today --refresh-all" should do it. should like basically all programs as changed (different start/stop time)

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redxine:

do you need to restart the backend after filling the database?

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dekarl:

no

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redxine:

Nope. CNN's in the guide but it's Fox right now

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redxine:

which is an hour from now I think

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dekarl:

did mfdb report all programs as updated?

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redxine:

2011-11–04 18:24:04.517 mythfilldatabase run complete.

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dekarl:

Nov 4 06:23:54 mythmaster mythfilldatabase[28529]: Updated programs: 2 Unchanged programs: 804

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dekarl:

should be one line of these for every day

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redxine:

2011-11–04 18:24:01.818 Marking episode last showings. 2011-11–04 18:24:03.225 Found 2039

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redxine:

oh in the log?

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dekarl:

should be in the terminal when where you started it from by default

[17:27:40]

redxine:

yeah that's about it.... I'll pastebin the whole stdout

[17:28:33]

redxine:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/728355/

[17:28:54]

dekarl:

2011-11–04 18:24:00.274 Source 1 configured with no grabber. Nothing to do.

[17:28:55]

dekarl:

2011-11–04 18:24:00.276 Source 2 configured with no grabber. Nothing to do.

[17:29:08]

redxine:

I was playing with the various ways to get input

[17:29:23]

redxine:

Source 0 should though......

[17:29:28]

dekarl:

is your script a proper xmltv grabber or is it dumping a file "somehow" that should be manually loaded

[17:30:10]

redxine:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/728358/

[17:30:15]

dekarl:

just do whatever you did to load the data in the first place plus "--refresh-today --refresh-all" :)

[17:30:25]

redxine:

oohh okay :3

[17:31:05]

dekarl:

don'T miss "--refresh-today" its not included in "--refresh-all" because it might break running recordings

[17:31:32]

redxine:

unless I have to restart the frontend, the guide didn't budge

[17:31:46]

dekarl:

which day are you looking at? today?

[17:31:48]

redxine:

I ran mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --file 1 ./xmltv.xml --refresh-today

[17:31:49]

redxine:

yes

[17:32:07]

redxine:

the guide says it's CNN on right now but it's fox atm; CNN was on an hour ago

[17:32:14]

dekarl:

ahh ok, hmm... can you pastebin one program element from the file?

[17:33:01]

redxine:

[17:34:30]

dekarl:

that was 00:30 to 01:00 this morning in german time?

[17:34:46]

redxine:

+0100 is the current time zone

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[17:34:53]

sphery:

you'll have to restart the guide to get updated guide data

[17:35:01]

sphery:

it won't update while you're viewing the guide

[17:35:10]

redxine:

I'll reset the entire front end...

[17:35:12]

dekarl:

sphery: you mean the frontend caching the guide?

[17:35:29]

dekarl:

good idea, I mostly use mythweb ;)

[17:35:51]

redxine:

I'll check mythweb as well

[17:36:10]

redxine:

still shows up wrong. Same in mythweb

[17:36:32]

redxine:

I'll try putting +01 instead of auto...

[17:37:10]

dekarl:

that's the only thing that I'm quite sure of not being the solution :) might be better to truncate the programs table / delete and recreate the video source

[17:37:57]

redxine:

do what now? x3

[17:39:04]

redxine:

jeesh it's still not working

[17:39:30]

dekarl:

simplest should be removing and readding the video source

[17:40:14]

redxine:

hrm... let me try running the grabber again

[17:40:50]

dekarl:

if you didn't add funky attributes yet you can also truncate the table is you're fluent in sql

[17:41:17]

redxine:

it appears to have fixed it.

[17:41:32]

dekarl:

great, was about to praise my wares :)

[17:41:44]

redxine:

and fluent in SQL is a very long stretch x3

[17:42:14]

redxine:

does anyone else feel like you're yelling when writing in SQL?

[17:42:37]

redxine:

SELECT * FROM users WHERE id=6

[17:42:40]

dekarl:

ahh, that's configurable

[17:43:14]

redxine:

GRRRR I hate this remote.

[17:43:20]

sid3windr:

sql doesn't only work in uppercase, redxine ;)

[17:43:39]

redxine:

I know, but it's like a law that SQL and BASIC use ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO YELL

[17:43:39]

redxine:

x3

[17:44:01]

redxine:

does anyone have a favourite remote for mythTV that won't break the bank

[17:44:33]

redxine:

I'm having a hard time finding a balance between the number of buttons and how long it takes for LIRC to pick out it's signal

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sid3windr:

10 GOTO 10

[17:45:35]

sid3windr:

I have rf remotes

[17:45:45]

redxine:

interesting o.o

[17:45:55]

dekarl:

http://xkcd.com/327/

[17:46:04]

redxine:

I wonder if you could get ultrasonic ones to work with LIRC

[17:46:12]

redxine:

x3

[17:46:29]

redxine:

I tried injection on a kiosk in IKEA.

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[17:46:35]

dekarl:

or just get an MCE remote or the ps3 remote and a dongle

[17:46:52]

redxine:

I was excited when it took it 30 seconds to kick back with no results

[17:48:11]

redxine:

I imagine you could encode it into barcodes and wreak havoc at a department store.

[17:49:30]

dekarl:

btw, which format do you source your guide from?

[17:50:10]

redxine:

xmltv?

[17:50:58]

dekarl:

nah, at http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/ScheduleXls.aspx, do you use the html or the office format?

[17:51:31]

redxine:

I'm working on a script that will scrape it from the website

[17:52:22]

redxine:

right now I'm using (begrudgingly) mc2xml, of which I was recently informed as being illegal

[17:52:40]

dekarl:

Ahh ok. I'm prefering the one file per week (and/or channel) formats

[17:52:58]

wagnerrp:

and thats the shame, no one actually realizes it is

[17:53:14]

redxine:

I think the HTML would be easier to scrape, but I'm not sure how easy it is to work with ooxml with e.g. python

[17:53:22]

wagnerrp:

it never dawns on people why one site after another keeps getting shut down, and he has to set up a new one on a new address

[17:53:27]

redxine:

I thought it was a script, but it's just an ELF binary

[17:53:48]

dekarl:

but it's so easy to set up your own feed for afn in xmltv format. We all just reuse the software from swedb. It's like 30–50 lines of perl to add all AFN channels

[17:53:51]

sphery:

but, please, if you find his program helps you to steal data effectively, send him a donation!

[17:53:53]

redxine:

I NEED THE SAUCE! SHUN THE NON-FREE SOFTWARE

[17:53:54]

redxine:

x3

[17:54:17]

sphery:

after all, you have to support the guy who allows you to easily steal the data

[17:54:19]

redxine:

what about swedb o.o

[17:54:30]

redxine:

I didn't know okay! >.<

[17:54:36]

sphery:

(I hate that the guy asks for donations)

[17:54:41]

** dekarl is just trying to sell his wares **

[17:55:04]

sphery:

now dekarl's solution sounds good

[17:55:05]

redxine:

I think he put it in the stderr for it too

[17:55:16]

dekarl:

http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/NonameTV

[17:55:17]

sphery:

wow, nagware, even

[17:55:24]

sphery:

(mc2xml, that is)

[17:55:39]

redxine:

well, as naggy as a linux script can be x3

[17:55:54]

sphery:

it's a script? I thought it was a windows binary?

[17:55:59]

wagnerrp:

its not a script, its a closed source binary application

[17:56:15]

** redxine signs up for schedulesdirect **

[17:56:25]

wagnerrp:

lest someone else rip off his method and start producing their own version

[17:56:48]

wagnerrp:

note, there is a 7-day trial you can see if the AFN feeds they have work

[17:56:50]

sphery:

exactly, the thieves are always paranoid of having their stuff stolen

[17:57:01]

sphery:

I found out about that in an episode of Burn Notice

[17:57:26]

wagnerrp:

did you see any of that presentation video bei rdo posted a week or so back?

[17:57:35]

redxine:

.... what on earth do I put in State/Providence in the form?

[17:57:38]

redxine:

is this only for US users

[17:57:49]

wagnerrp:

talking about all the theft protection mechanisms that go into spam tools and the like

[17:57:52]

redxine:

wait.... nevermind *face paw*

[17:57:54]

dekarl:

and CA (and maybe MX)

[17:57:58]

wagnerrp:

redxine: any valid zip code should work

[17:58:27]

wagnerrp:

i would expect the same channels to be available worldwide

[17:58:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, pretty amazing

[17:58:43]

sphery:

I watched the whole thing a couple months ago

[17:59:07]

wagnerrp:

they were talking in particular about one guy who flooded torrents and usenet with various versions infected with viruses

[17:59:31]

wagnerrp:

no one could trust the free copies, so he could charge top dollar

[17:59:35]

redxine:

Error: Only alphanumeric characters and spaces are allowed for passwords.

[17:59:48]

redxine:

annoying >.<

[18:00:11]

sphery:

yeah, it's actually a very smart approach

[18:00:24]

dekarl:

and spaces? your password is "very strong" :)

[18:00:33]

sphery:

too bad there would be legal action against a company doing similar

[18:00:57]

sphery:

redxine: um, you can use nearly any character in the password... just look at mine

[18:01:00]

sphery:

er, well, don't, please

[18:01:09]

redxine:

lol. But some sites don't

[18:01:13]

redxine:

i.e. schedules direct

[18:01:19]

sphery:

xr is specifically allowed that because he uses that

[18:01:24]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ive actually wondered in the past if adobe does that with photoshop

[18:01:25]

redxine:

it complained because of the '@' symbol, among other things

[18:01:32]

sphery:

no, my schedules direct password has tons of non-alpha, non-numeric chars

[18:01:41]

redxine:

on some sites I can make use of rather abstract characters, like â™«

[18:01:51]

redxine:

it complained when I signed up

[18:02:07]

wagnerrp:

seed the internet with cracked versions to make themselves a household name and get people trained on their software

[18:02:22]

sphery:

I actually tested it a couple weeks before the site went live with all the crazy chars I could imagine users using and it worked fine

[18:02:24]

redxine:

that's interesting

[18:02:43]

redxine:

all the graphic "designers" I know think GIMP is like satan or something.

[18:02:46]

wagnerrp:

when they actually go into the commercial sector, thats what they know, and thats what they end up buying (for thousands of dollars a license)

[18:03:01]

sphery:

yeah, that would work well for them

[18:03:07]

redxine:

all part of the conspiracy for Adobe to take over the world of art :P

[18:03:14]

redxine:

Microsoft did that with windows

[18:03:33]

sphery:

and would help out the BSA making their BS announcements about how much software piracy is costing software businesses

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redxine:

found the AFN lineup :3

[18:03:59]

sphery:

because everyone knows that a downloaded copy of a software program is /always/ a replacement for a sale that would have happened

[18:04:05]

wagnerrp:

microsoft had the market cornered before the internet became fast enough you could download windows

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redxine:

heh

[18:04:23]

redxine:

they did that with OEM's though

[18:04:32]

wagnerrp:

no one was going to download Win95 on their 33.6k dialup

[18:04:34]

sphery:

because people would never ever download something for free that they wouldn't be willing to pay thousands for

[18:04:48]

dekarl:

sphery: isn't commercial theft of service punichable? Well at least everbody should complain to PayPal :)

[18:04:50]

redxine:

Hey, win 3.0 fit on 7 floppies

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redxine:

you could do that over a ZModem transfer in like.... a day x3

[18:05:10]

sphery:

dekarl: yeah, I may have to lodge a complaint at paypal

[18:05:17]

redxine:

7 1,4 MB discs

[18:05:45]

redxine:

.... for what o.o

[18:05:57]

redxine:

hrm.... google checkout or paypal... choices choices

[18:06:17]

wagnerrp:

i remember spending a good chunk of a day downloading the first 22MB halflife patch on my 56k

[18:06:38]

sphery:

might finally get MS involved (even though the payoff isn't as large as suing, say, B&N, Compal, Samsung, etc., for licenses for using Android--half a billion dollars this year--or as large as shutting down a spam botnet)

[18:07:09]

sphery:

redxine: if you really don't care, google checkout charges SD less money, so it's better for them

[18:07:35]

sphery:

(and since numbers have dropped in the last couple of years, that's a very good thing since without SD, MythTV in North America is basically a no go)

[18:07:39]

redxine:

Microsoft makes me sick with the Android crap

[18:07:47]

redxine:

Apple too

[18:08:09]

redxine:

I think we're in the next to last stage of Ghandi's wisdom :P

[18:08:20]

sphery:

yeah, it should be illegal for them to make claims that GNU/Linux violates 235 of their patents without even specifying which patents and providing at least some concrete examples of violations

[18:08:32]

sphery:

so that we could have the option to create non-infringing implementations

[18:08:40]

redxine:

they said it has to do with the "efficiency" of OS'es

[18:08:50]

redxine:

HAH. Imagine, Windows: Efficient.

[18:08:57]

sphery:

as far as Apple, what makes me sick is the App Store--and same goes with Google

[18:09:12]

redxine:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/31/micro . . . roid_burden/

[18:09:23]

redxine:

They banned the Samsung galaxy line in Germany

[18:09:27]

redxine:

made me sad

[18:09:46]

sphery:

yeah, I so hope that Apple loses that case and has to pay up unthinkable damages

[18:09:46]

redxine:

what about google sphery? o.o

[18:10:03]

wagnerrp:

oh no! you made another device designed to be similar to a notepad

[18:10:10]

redxine:

x3

[18:10:25]

wagnerrp:

you must have stolen the idea from... some guy who manufactured the first notepad back in the 1800s

[18:10:25]

redxine:

I think the whole tablet thing is going to be a bubble

[18:10:39]

sphery:

since Apple is making the claim that if the Galaxies are sold in Germany, Apple will be losing a customer for life, if Apple loses the case, they should have to pay lifetime revenues from X-number of Apple clients to Samsung

[18:10:40]

redxine:

I love how Jobs was all "Everyone stole our idea" on everything

[18:11:03]

redxine:

He claimed truetype fonts and subpixel aliasing as an Apple original

[18:11:31]

redxine:

The patent system is broken

[18:11:36]

wagnerrp:

i imagine thats something Xerox came up with

[18:11:42]

sphery:

App stores are evil because a) they (at least to some extent) limit what can be installed on devices and what apps are seen by users and b) Google and Apple have no business taking 30% off the top, and c) any App store that completely bans FOSS software is evil

[18:11:45]

redxine:

Hear about the latest one granted to apple?

[18:11:57]

sphery:

and, yes, Google is just as evil about this as Apple

[18:12:14]

redxine:

Oh sure, App stores, but what about apt-get and yum? :P

[18:12:17]

kormoc:

TTF fonts were invented by apple

[18:12:25]

redxine:

it should be up to the user what repos to add

[18:12:38]

kormoc:

They were fighting against post script fonts developed by adobe

[18:12:38]

sphery:

I actually respect Oracle more than Google--at least Oracle makes it clear that their only intention is profit, whereas Google pretends to be a friend of FOSS, but does some very evil things to FOSS

[18:13:21]

sphery:

agreed, though, the patent system is completely broken

[18:13:26]

redxine:

such as? GOogle has been pretty good at not being evil

[18:13:29]

dekarl:

stupid question... has mc2xml ever been an approved app for SD?

[18:13:30]

redxine:

much more than Oracle

[18:13:40]

kormoc:

dekarl, no, it steals the content

[18:13:50]

sphery:

dekarl: nope... it's steals the content from Windows MCE servers

[18:13:53]

dekarl:

kormoc: that's not what i'm after

[18:13:56]

sphery:

where that content is actually from TMS

[18:13:57]

redxine:

They already killed Solaris as FOSS

[18:14:01]

dekarl:

> -T <user>:<pass> use schedules direct service

[18:14:14]

sphery:

so they have no need to use SD... since they're only purpose is to steal data instead of using SD

[18:14:24]

sphery:

if you have SD, you don't need mc2xml

[18:14:25]

redxine:

Â If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

[18:14:28]

sphery:

you just use tv_grab_na_dd

[18:14:33]

dekarl:

... mc2xml is a ... program ... that downloads ... schedules direct tv listings and outputs an XMLTV formatted (xmltv.dtd) .xml file.

[18:14:35]

redxine:

no computers would have typefaces were it not for Jobs *face paw*

[18:14:48]

dekarl:

that's a quote from their site...

[18:14:50]

sphery:

dekarl: exactly

[18:15:13]

sphery:

oh, wait... downloads schedules direct...

[18:15:15]

kormoc:

dekarl, it goes directly to TMS, it never touches the SD servers or service, no matter what they say

[18:16:06]

redxine:

I've always liked Wozniak though

[18:16:16]

qwebirc38408:

Question....I got my hands on an eee box B206 (no ION chip)....I was looking at the Crystal HD addon card and was wondering what kind of support mythtv currently has for it? Goggle isn't returning much info for me

[18:16:18]

dekarl:

so it does the same no matter if I say "get the US guide it from microsoft" or "get my lineups from SD" ?

[18:16:36]

kormoc:

dekarl, yes

[18:16:38]

redxine:

"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." — Steve WozniakÂ

[18:17:07]

sphery:

dekarl: though probably hits MS servers for MCE data and hits TMS servers for "Schedules Direct" data

[18:17:13]

wagnerrp:

qwebirc38408: mythtv supports the CHD decoders every bit as far as broadcom

[18:17:22]

kormoc:

sphery, nah, it hits TMS servers for MCE data

[18:17:28]

sphery:

ahhh

[18:17:42]

kormoc:

sphery, it just auths as "Windows Media Center"

[18:17:44]

sphery:

just assumed that MS had a middle-man in the process

[18:17:49]

wagnerrp:

which is to say mythtv supports the decoder interface and can use the device

[18:17:55]

kormoc:

no, single auth for all MCE installs

[18:18:03]

kormoc:

which is why it's super hard to track down the abusers and stop them

[18:18:07]

wagnerrp:

but broadcom has largely abandoned the linux drivers, leaving some cards functional, and others not

[18:18:09]

sphery:

ahh, makes sense

[18:18:26]

dekarl:

I see. Thought you could just pull their API key or similar

[18:18:49]

qwebirc38408:

is it part of myth 0.24 fixes?....I don't currently have a card yet but how would you set it up?....custom playback profile?

[18:18:50]

wagnerrp:

the API key isnt really for anything more than identification purposes

[18:18:53]

sphery:

qwebirc38408: and it turns out that a nice nvidia GPU with VDPAU support is better, more powerful, and well supported by nvidia

[18:19:13]

wagnerrp:

there would be nothing stopping them from swiping the key from some other application, like mythtv

[18:19:30]

sphery:

qwebirc38408: the CHD only decodes... the nvidia GPU can decode and display with a high-quality presentation API that's extremely efficient

[18:19:31]

qwebirc38408:

unfortunately I can't add an nvidia card to my eee box

[18:19:49]

wagnerrp:

best option is to replace it with better hardware

[18:19:58]

sphery:

+1

[18:20:17]

wagnerrp:

you /may/ be able to use that 3450 with VAAPI in 0.25

[18:20:25]

qwebirc38408:

that's too bad....I got excited when I read up about it

[18:20:32]

sphery:

use the eee box for web browsing or for a low-resource application

[18:20:35]

wagnerrp:

but AMD linux graphics drivers are notoriously unstable

[18:21:24]

qwebirc38408:

oh well....guess it will continue to sit unused :)

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wagnerrp:

even should you add a CHD card to it, youre still stuck with that unreliable AMD graphics for output

[18:22:37]

qwebirc38408:

if it was an intel version would that have been better...with the CHD?

[18:22:38]

redxine:

really wagnerrp? I've always had trouble with nVidia.

[18:22:42]

redxine:

<3 intel

[18:22:50]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: did you see #10149?

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wagnerrp:

im guessing he had mythtv compiled against pulseaudio, so when he removed it, it broke mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and when he claimed to rebuild mythtv, he didnt

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kormoc:

I didn't

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kormoc:

revdep-rebuild for the win!

[18:23:37]

redxine:

the schedules direct guide doesn't seem to be working....

[18:23:51]

redxine:

most of the channels just show as Unknown (unknown)

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dekarl:

redxine: have the xmltvids been changed to the correct ones for SD?

[18:28:24]

redxine:

I have to readd the channels?

[18:28:55]

sphery:

redxine: anyway, I got distracted... as for evil stuff... a) forked Java instead of using a Google-designed language (and, seemingly, the only reason was to attract developers who already knew Java), which created a huge patent /and/ copyright issue that looms over Android, b) calls Android open source, where it's more of a sometimes-source-visible thing, c) does not do open development of Android and pressures vendors into doing things ...

[18:29:01]

sphery:

... their way by threatening to release source code later to vendors that don't follow Google's plan, d) keeps source code closed until after devices ship with it (and/or forever, in the case of 3.x--note that ICS source still hasn't been released), e) eschews standards (such as POSIX and FHS and ...), instead creating a custom OS structure that's unlike any other (making it more difficult to port existing *nix apps to Android), f) ...

[18:29:03]

dekarl:

the channels are mapped to your former guide feed and need to be remapped to the SD guide feed. (At least that's what I'd guess)

[18:29:08]

sphery:

... refuses to stand behind Android--won't indemnify vendors who use it--but claims there are no issues with patents/copyright/..., g) acts like a 5-yr old whining that "everyone's out to get us just because Android is free and doing well so they sue over patents" which makes the world think that open source is all about free, and not about Free, and that we're all a bunch of freetards who just want stuff at no charge

[18:29:18]

sphery:

hehe, was a bit longer than I though... but, that's just a bit of it--and, yes, I'm not a fan of Android

[18:31:19]

dekarl:

sphery: is there any os/platform for mobile phones out their that doesn't suck? (and has more then 1% market share)

[18:31:29]

sphery:

hehe, nope

[18:31:36]

redxine:

isn't Java the specification free of sorts?

[18:31:39]

dekarl:

sphery: phew, already thought it was me :)

[18:31:41]

sphery:

I'm just waiting for the day when a mobile phone is really just a handheld computer

[18:31:47]

dekarl:

redxine: not for mobile devices ;)

[18:31:51]

redxine:

How can OpenJDK be justified then if Oracle can sue other implementations

[18:32:02]

sphery:

and I can put Debian (or some such) on it /and/ run it with a useful set of applications

[18:32:02]

redxine:

brb

[18:32:38]

wagnerrp:

sphery: sadly, sales departments have let people know that they dont want a generic handheld computer

[18:33:00]

sphery:

(versus the "not quite ready" stuff from the actual open projects--like Openmoko, OHA, OMA, ...)

[18:33:33]

dekarl:

redxine: e.g. http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/

[18:33:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: well, as it gets more and more powerful, that's what it's becoming--once you break through the firmware locking and such

[18:34:51]

sphery:

redxine: the difference is that Java Mobile Edition is the only edition that can be run on "embedded devices" (including phones), and JME was never open-sourced (because Sun's marketing had a false notion they could make money selling licenses for it)

[18:35:10]

sphery:

redxine: not to mention the fact that Google forked/stole Java /before/ Sun open-sourced it

[18:35:40]

redxine:

openJDK has been around longer than Android....

[18:35:46]

sphery:

(before Sun open-sourced Sun's implementation of the Java Virtual Machine and Java Development Kit, that is)

[18:35:57]

redxine:

so applying the same logici an open source project stole java too.

[18:36:08]

redxine:

why the heck did they use Java in the first place

[18:36:15]

redxine:

It's slow and bloated.

[18:36:54]

redxine:

Oracle's just jealous that they couldn't pull it off first.

[18:37:01]

redxine:

I say let them eat databases!

[18:37:33]

dekarl:

java is slow and bloated? oh, thought that was windows :)

[18:37:39]

wagnerrp:

careful there, lest we have to switch to postgre

[18:37:52]

sphery:

redxine: that's the real problem... they should not have stolen Java, they should have used any of a number of the languages that Google has created from scratch over the years--or even standard C/C++ or Python or Ruby or ...

[18:38:14]

dekarl:

but nobody from the target audience is fluent in these languages!

[18:38:22]

sphery:

there was really no reason for them to do it--other than to "steal" Java developers (i.e. to ride Java's coattails)

[18:39:02]

wagnerrp:

who is the target audience?

[18:39:45]

sphery:

I think you may underestimate both the number of Python developers out there /and/ the ease with which Google could have created nice APIs and tools from which even novice/first-time developers could have created python-based apps for Google's new phone platform

[18:39:50]

wagnerrp:

before android, your smartphone options were Palm (not java), RIM (i dont know if they do java), Apple (not java), and Nokia (not java)

[18:40:08]

wagnerrp:

oh, and win-mobile (not java)

[18:40:41]

sphery:

yeah, several of those others had Java ME virtual machines on them, but Google didn't want to pay a license for that

[18:40:47]

wagnerrp:

a number of lesser phones ran java VMs

[18:40:50]

sphery:

after all, they only have a few billion dollars

[18:40:58]

wagnerrp:

but were not the kind of device google wanted to replace

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dekarl:

yeah, but most phones could run J2ME apps (but that was not that attractive) and more people get some java(script) lessons then any other language

[18:41:28]

sphery:

and, yeah, the Java ME VM was always "second-class citizen" in those phones

[18:41:50]

dekarl:

If I wanted to hook developers who are not already in the apple boat I'd go with java (or lua), too

[18:42:06]

dekarl:

sphery: true

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sphery:

really, Palm's WebOS was a great way of doing things... basically HTML- and JavaScript-based development with custom extensions to allow access to phone-specific stuff

[18:42:30]

sphery:

and note that JavaScript != Java ...

[18:42:55]

dekarl:

I have to take a peek whats comming up wrt to QNX phones

[18:43:07]

dekarl:

but it has Java in its name! ;)

[18:43:08]

** sphery thinks it should still be called LiveScript (after all, the applets--the Java to which JavaScript allowed HTML to communicate--are a dead technology) **

[18:43:16]

redxine:

I still don't understand why people teach/learn in Java.

[18:43:20]

dekarl:

wasn't it ecmascript first?

[18:43:30]

redxine:

That's just Lisp I thought, dekarl

[18:44:08]

sphery:

it was LiveScript, then Netscape licensed the name JavaScript from Sun because it allowed HTML to talk to Java--and Java was the big buzz word back in 1995/1996 timeframe

[18:44:23]

wagnerrp:

javascript doesnt have good enough scoping to be anything but painful for large projects

[18:44:24]

redxine:

well this is no different than schools teaching "Photoshop" instead of digital design, and "MS Office" instead of word processing

[18:44:54]

redxine:

I made the mistake of writing a networked database frontend/backend from scratch in BASIC....

[18:44:58]

dekarl:

redxine: but "MS Office" is all that is asked for in job descriptions...

[18:45:05]

wagnerrp:

i suppose schools could teach pseudocode, but i dont know how much worth that actually is

[18:45:08]

redxine:

something along the lines of 50k lines

[18:45:19]

redxine:

but it should be the skill

[18:45:21]

redxine:

that matters

[18:45:30]

wagnerrp:

if you dont know a real language to actually test out the pseudocode you are writing, why bother

[18:45:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, if only some company were large enough and good enough at technology to invent a replacement for JavaScript that offered benefits like strong typing, ability to run in a VM, software targeted at a virtual platform with a VM handling dynamic compilation at runtime allowing for huge optimization gains

[18:45:41]

redxine:

Python <3

[18:45:42]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: actually I'd prefer if schools teached to think...

[18:45:44]

sphery:

they could call it Dart

[18:45:56]

sphery:

(Dart is Google's language to replace JavaScript)

[18:46:07]

redxine:

Exactly, dekarl

[18:46:23]

sphery:

now if Google can make a language called Dart... why couldn't they make a language for their phones instead of using forked Java

[18:46:30]

sphery:

(that's not compatible with real Java)

[18:46:48]

redxine:

Because who would want to write in dart when they could write in "Almost" java

[18:46:54]

sphery:

hehe

[18:47:03]

sphery:

Googlava? Joogle?

[18:47:07]

sphery:

we need a name for it

[18:47:17]

redxine:

So long as it has .com.blah.really.long.namespaces they'll be happy

[18:47:23]

redxine:

Joogle x3

[18:47:24]

sphery:

hehe

[18:47:24]

dekarl:

Obviously the right scripting language for media customizing is Lua because that's what the World of Warcraft Interface uses :)

[18:47:36]

sphery:

hehe

[18:47:37]

redxine:

Call it Google Coffee beans

[18:47:45]

sphery:

then again, there's bash

[18:47:50]

redxine:

<3 bash

[18:47:52]

wagnerrp:

man, i absolutely hated those namespaces trying to write VB/excel scripts

[18:47:54]

sphery:

based on the -users list, I'm thinking Google should have just used bash

[18:48:23]

redxine:

I've written full programs in bash, and it's really not that bad

[18:48:30]

redxine:

even when ported to windows, surprisingly.

[18:48:33]

wagnerrp:

but it has no real capability on its own

[18:48:41]

sphery:

kind of like make

[18:48:47]

sphery:

it just calls programs that do things

[18:48:50]

redxine:

But I love being able to just sit down at a mac and write ;D

[18:48:51]

wagnerrp:

i mean you can do file property tests

[18:49:00]

wagnerrp:

you can do a handful of string processing commands

[18:49:04]

sphery:

it's not bad for what it's meant to do

[18:49:07]

redxine:

Well, compared to command.com, it's quite an improvement

[18:49:11]

sphery:

but right tool for the job is always a good idea

[18:49:27]

redxine:

hardly any useful win32 program has any command line arguments worth using

[18:49:32]

redxine:

everyone's all point and click.

[18:49:42]

wagnerrp:

but for any sizable task, it simply doesnt offer enough

[18:49:48]

sphery:

what about PowerShell? Isn't that the new hotness of MS scripting without GUI work?

[18:49:53]

dekarl:

redxine I like --install and --uninstall (or whatever registers programs as service)

[18:50:00]

sphery:

or wait, was that what you call those things in Mario Kart?

[18:50:16]

redxine:

x3

[18:50:20]

redxine:

the red ones or green ones?

[18:50:22]

wagnerrp:

its great for batch processing, merely because it is very small, and can be made statically linked easily

[18:50:26]

redxine:

Bash is like the green ones.

[18:50:36]

redxine:

actually, bash is more like the invincible star

[18:51:05]

redxine:

it's kind of like duct tape

[18:51:16]

redxine:

but cmd.exe is practically celotape

[18:51:24]

redxine:

the cheap chineese brand

[18:51:42]

sphery:

yes, but you don't want to wrap a wedding gift in duct tape... :)

[18:52:00]

sphery:

so each tool has it's own uses, and all is well as long as you choose the right tool for the job

[18:52:02]

redxine:

no you use wrapping paper for that – python

[18:53:27]

redxine:

This is one of the things I whipped up in bash real fast: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1897428/

[18:53:45]

redxine:

it was fairly trivial to port it to the various platforms

[18:56:25]

redxine:

how do you delete channels in myth?

[18:56:40]

redxine:

I want to try to get SD working

[18:58:25]

redxine:

... mew?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, channel editor

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Beirdo:

bah.

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Beirdo:

my mythbox was a tard last night :)

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redxine:

no remove option o.o

[19:04:11]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: thats why you should have used mythfrontend instead

[19:04:17]

wagnerrp:

redxine: maybe 'd'?

[19:04:25]

Beirdo:

I wanted to watch the season premiere of Bones... but Nooo, it decided it wants to record it from TNT on Tuesday rather than last night on FOX

[19:04:30]

Beirdo:

bah!

[19:05:26]

sphery:

Beirdo: see, this is a problem you wouldn't have if you weren't living a life of luxury with all those "other" channels

[19:05:44]

sphery:

my system recorded Bones on Fox

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redxine:

hrm...

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Beirdo:

hehe true enough

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wagnerrp:

TNT is airing it that soon?

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Beirdo:

so says the schedule, yes

[19:09:52]

Beirdo:

let's see... it was recordng plenty at that time, it seems :)

[19:11:08]

Beirdo:

eeeergh! 0B recordings?

[19:11:21]

redxine:

rut roh

[19:11:29]

sphery:

that bytes, er doesn't?

[19:11:53]

sphery:

I had my first 5-concurrent-recordings night last night

[19:12:16]

sphery:

so glad I got that 2250--even though I doubt I'll ever see 6 concurrent recordings

[19:15:55]

Beirdo:

2011-11–03 20:59:59.204352 E TVRec(32): Failed to set channel to 337. Reverting to kState_None

[19:15:58]

Beirdo:

I see.

[19:16:13]

Beirdo:

I will slap that receiver silly.

[19:16:35]

Beirdo:

one of my SD DirecTV receivers refused to change channel

[19:17:10]

high-rez:

Heh, apparently at my house, comcast hadn't disconnected my cable, they just put an analog filter/choke on the line – but it wasn't filtering out most of the digital stuff :)

[19:17:14]

Beirdo:

and then the HDPVR puked on one.

[19:17:22]

Beirdo:

not a good night last night, it seems

[19:17:24]

** high-rez wonders how difficult the m-card activation is gonna be **

[19:18:26]

Beirdo:

make that... puked on two

[19:19:02]

Beirdo:

2011-11–03 20:29:59.253817 E V4LChannel(/dev/video-hdpvr0): Can't open video de

[19:19:05]

Beirdo:

vice. eno: No such file or directory (2)

[19:19:08]

Beirdo:

hah

[19:19:08]

Beirdo:

OK, I see

[19:22:20]

Beirdo:

ah man.

[19:22:37]

Beirdo:

did someone mess with seektable creation again?

[19:23:58]

Beirdo:

I have some B-Frame/black previews... again

[19:26:35]

sphery:

Beirdo: I had problems with my dish network receivers where if I didn't reboot them each month or so, they'd have issues like that (or output broken signals or whatever)

[19:27:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's somewhat self-healing though for me

[19:27:27]

Beirdo:

as if the channel change refuses to work, I reboot the receiver (via the same serial port interface)

[19:27:28]

sphery:

and regarding b-frame previews, I've been getting quite a few of those this week, especially, with my 0.24-fixes that I haven't updated in a couple months

[19:27:34]

Beirdo:

but that recording gets borked

[19:28:01]

sphery:

yeah, I just ended up being careful to reboot the STBs more frequently than necessary

[19:28:13]

Beirdo:

getting really weary of repeatedly fixing the previews

[19:28:15]

sphery:

you could always do it with a cron job or something

[19:29:58]

Beirdo:

ooh yeah.... that reminds me

[19:30:11]

Beirdo:

must login to schedules direct and remove a channel

[19:30:22]

Beirdo:

Telefutura West

[19:30:36]

Beirdo:

I record "The Protector" – the TV show...

[19:30:54]

Beirdo:

however, that caught "The Protector" the movie... and in Spanish...

[19:31:04]

Beirdo:

on a channel I am actually not subscribed to.

[19:31:31]

Beirdo:

so I got a 1.5h recording of "You are not subscribed...." followed by bouncing DirecTV logo screensaver

[19:31:41]

Beirdo:

1.8GB of it

[19:34:15]

Weaselweb:

hi, I'm running mythtv 0.24.1 (0.24.1_p20111030 to be precise. I'm on Gentoo) and only can fetch movie metadata using some obscur number. Can't I search for that by name?

[19:40:53]

redxine:

anyone here an EE buff?

[19:41:15]

wagnerrp:

if your filenames match those found on themoviedb.org, you should not have to use that 'obscure number'

[19:41:46]

wagnerrp:

what movie specifically?

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redxine:

Waselweb: I've found that replacing spaces in the filenames with dots (.) seems to fix it

[19:42:01]

redxine:

Watership.Down.mpeg

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wagnerrp:

spaces versus dots makes absolutely no difference

[19:42:24]

redxine:

worked for me for some strange reason

[19:42:42]

redxine:

Do video files even have metadata?

[19:43:07]

wagnerrp:

yes

[19:43:18]

redxine:

does myth read it? lol

[19:43:30]

wagnerrp:

the metadata is stored in myth's database

[19:43:40]

redxine:

but I mean the files themselves.

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redxine:

audio codecs like ogg have space for artist, year, track number, etc.

[19:44:06]

wagnerrp:

technically, there are mechanisms in various container formats for storing metadata

[19:44:11]

wagnerrp:

but it is hardly ever used

[19:44:25]

wagnerrp:

there is no universalish standard like ID3

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redxine:

Exactly. So it's searching imdb based on the file name.

[19:44:34]

wagnerrp:

no, its searching themoviedb.org

[19:44:43]

wagnerrp:

imdb does not allow automated scraping

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redxine:

hrm

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wizbit:

for high quality sound from a pc, is it worth connecting SPDIF output of a soundcard into a dedicated DAC, then into a dedicated amp?

[19:44:57]

wagnerrp:

tmdb provides a nice API such that we dont need to resort to scraping

[19:45:02]

redxine:

well using dots worked for mine.

[19:45:14]

redxine:

wizbit: depends on how much of an audiophile

[19:45:17]

redxine:

you are :P

[19:45:18]

Weaselweb:

redxine: wagnerrp: mh, my filenames have some other chars at the end of the filename.

[19:45:36]

wagnerrp:

like.. the extension?

[19:45:45]

wagnerrp:

stuff like 'mkv', 'mpg', 'm2ts', 'mp4', ...

[19:45:52]

Weaselweb:

like this Hancock_21-08–2011_2015_103105.mp4

[19:46:06]

wizbit:

redxine: if the price is right, why not

[19:46:12]

wizbit:

i think DACs might be expensive

[19:46:28]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has no way of knowing such information is not part of the title

[19:46:38]

wagnerrp:

and as such, includes it in the search

[19:46:42]

redxine:

I've seen optical/digital output used once and really I can't tell the difference

[19:46:55]

redxine:

most of the quality will be decided on the file side.

[19:46:58]

Weaselweb:

wagnerrp: iirc in 0.23 i could specify a movie name explicit. was it removed?

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wagnerrp:

you can edit the title through the UI, and then search for the new title

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redxine:

And even then, not many people can tell the difference between 64 kbps OGG and uncompressed things like FLAC, especially on speakers

[19:47:37]

wagnerrp:

although why would you want all that garbage at the end of the filename anyway?

[19:48:05]

wagnerrp:

not many people spend more than $20 on computer speakers such that they could tell the difference

[19:48:09]

Weaselweb:

this is the name i get the files

[19:48:38]

wagnerrp:

and even then, most of them are using the garbage DACs from their integrated audio

[19:49:24]

wizbit:

redxine: 2 channel stereo amps will always sound better than A/V recievers what cost twice the price

[19:49:34]

redxine:

Working at the BBC, I have a magical thing that lets me download diarac or mpeg2 streams of the shows after they're aired. The file's normally download as some obscure ID and date with .ts on the end. If I change the file name to i.e. "Top.Gear.S17E06.ts" it'll download the correct info from the web flawlessly

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redxine:

wizbit: I've yet to be convinced :P

[19:50:53]

Beirdo:

redxine: if that could be made an official public tool, there'd be a lot of happy people :)

[19:51:18]

redxine:

I imagine there would x3 It's R&D meant to replace/supplement iPlayer.

[19:51:36]

redxine:

I'm just glad I'm not stuck with that flash crap anymore

[19:52:17]

redxine:

Myth plays dirac flawlessly too :3

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Beirdo:

! Error: lastupdated variables([u'2011-11–03 21:04:40 UTC', u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S']) error(local variable 'pubdate' referenced before assignment)

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Beirdo:

is that a known thing?

[19:52:49]

redxine:

I've written an API in bash (yeah – sue me. I wrote something in bash) that I want to integrate into myth

[19:52:55]

Beirdo:

oh crap, just killed my backend by mistake

[19:53:07]

Beirdo:

must click before hitting Ctrl-C

[19:53:11]

Beirdo:

!trout

[19:53:11]

** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

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redxine:

o.o

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redxine:

x3

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wagnerrp:

redxine: better to write a mythnetvision grabber

[19:53:52]

redxine:

Does that work off scripts? I thought it was in the C++

[19:54:00]

redxine:

I'm not ready to dive into qt4 quite yet x.x

[19:54:08]

wagnerrp:

the grabbers can be whatever you want, as long as they output the proper format XML

[19:54:13]

Beirdo:

I'd imagine that it is UK-only enforced on the servers?

[19:54:34]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision_Grabber_Script_Format

[19:54:35]

redxine:

This system isn't proxy aware, but when it goes into full production it might be.

[19:55:03]

Beirdo:

K. Wouldn't surprise me. The BBC is known for doing that :)

[19:55:04]

redxine:

right now it's just a bunch of servers with DVB capture cards encoding into dirac on the fly.

[19:55:24]

redxine:

Well until copyright changes my hands are tied :P

[19:55:37]

redxine:

or licensing rather

[19:55:46]

Beirdo:

of course

[19:55:51]

wagnerrp:

they are actually hooked up to aerials?

[19:56:10]

redxine:

eep! o.o

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redxine:

the server's down

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redxine:

it runs on debian! :P

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redxine:

http://www.bbcredux.com/

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wagnerrp:

odd that they wouldnt be capturing the ASI or SDI feed directly in the studio

[19:57:03]

redxine:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/1 . . . x_proje.html

[19:57:13]

redxine:

Blame the freetards

[19:57:13]

wagnerrp:

three years in the making...

[19:57:43]

redxine:

it's the DTT programme feed

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Beirdo:

Hey, I like free stuff, but I'm willing to abide by the rules in the process

[19:58:17]

wagnerrp:

can you really call anyone wanting unencumbered access to BBC content a 'freetard'?

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redxine:

x3

[19:58:45]

wagnerrp:

i mean, its anything but free

[19:58:49]

Beirdo:

some of them, definitely

[19:58:55]

wagnerrp:

BBC content is tax funded

[19:59:04]

wagnerrp:

everyone pays for that content

[19:59:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, licence-funded

[19:59:09]

redxine:

free as in non-DRM encumbered

[19:59:10]

Beirdo:

everyone in the UK.

[19:59:15]

Beirdo:

I'm not in the UK

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Beirdo:

if I could pay the UK yearly license fee and receive all of BBC as a result for no extra charge, I'd consider it

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redxine:

they're re-writing legislation so that content by iPlayer might be charged for also.

[20:00:26]

redxine:

The figure I remember was something like Â£120-ish

[20:00:37]

Beirdo:

eek.

[20:00:47]

Beirdo:

if I'm paying that though, it better work properly

[20:00:54]

redxine:

Most people are switching to solely IPTV for intertainment

[20:01:00]

redxine:

*entertainment

[20:01:09]

redxine:

DIRAC hasn't failed me yet :P

[20:01:22]

redxine:

and this is the first time I've seen redux down in a long time.

[20:01:25]

Beirdo:

If I could get IPTV feeds, I'd be happy. Hehe

[20:01:27]

wagnerrp:

i really wish someone would teach the media that DRM has absolutely nothing to do with piracy

[20:02:10]

redxine:

I had a hard time understanding why it was benficial to DRM protect cable.

[20:02:41]

wagnerrp:

its beneficial to DRM protect cable so that you can lock users into your hardware and continued use of your service

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redxine:

I mean beneficial to humanity :P

[20:03:06]

wagnerrp:

its not, at all

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redxine:

Boo

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wagnerrp:

do understand, DRM and conditional access are two wholly different beasts

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Beirdo:

only to the "humanity" that is the corporate entity (which by law are considered akin to being people)

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redxine:

People should be protesting this instead of just generic "corporate greed" and "capitalism screwed me"

[20:04:00]

redxine:

Bullocks!

[20:04:15]

Beirdo:

DRM is great for the corporation

[20:04:23]

Beirdo:

sucks for the rest of the world

[20:04:29]

wagnerrp:

conditional access merely ensures that only those who have subscribed or purchased can use it

[20:04:30]

redxine:

iTunes comes to mind

[20:04:56]

wagnerrp:

while DRM ensures the company you purchased from retains control over your property after it leaves your posession

[20:04:56]

redxine:

iTunes/iPod: Easy to switch to, impossible to get out of

[20:05:18]

redxine:

That's why I'm not thrilled about the windows 8 move to require secure boot

[20:05:21]

wagnerrp:

it provides exactly zero benefit to the end user

[20:05:25]

redxine:

It's trusted computing all over again!

[20:05:28]

Beirdo:

and people should be protesting about nothing (here in the US at least). If you don't like it here so much, move somewhere poor like Haiti... or the middle of Africa. Count yer blessings that you were born here in the first place.

[20:05:40]

redxine:

exactly!

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kormoc:

iTunes is not the same as the cable company

[20:06:00]

redxine:

I don't understand what they want to gain....

[20:06:06]

wagnerrp:

redxine: the problem isnt that you won't be able to install linux on some hardware your purchase from newegg, or even that you wont do it on a pre-built machine from dell

[20:06:08]

redxine:

They're a content provider....

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kormoc:

It doesn't require you to use AAC protected media

[20:06:20]

kormoc:

it'll happily use any media you give it

[20:06:28]

wagnerrp:

it means that before you can install linux, you must go into the BIOS and turn off a switch

[20:06:46]

wagnerrp:

you have to know about the switch

[20:06:54]

wagnerrp:

and cant just pop a USB key into the system and reboot

[20:07:00]

redxine:

wagnerrp, but you're making computers that do have it turned on having to trust a single certificate provider.

[20:07:32]

wagnerrp:

that is true, but its not some evil conspiracy to put down linux and alternate OSs

[20:07:34]

redxine:

It's hard enough to explain to people how to go into BIOS and change boot device priority, let alone figure out why linux won't work on their OEM machine

[20:07:40]

redxine:

no, but think about the diginotor hack

[20:07:59]

kormoc:

if they can't figure out bios settings, they're not ready to run linux without support

[20:08:16]

wagnerrp:

its just an attempt to protect the user from themselves, and it will be cracked in time like anything else

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kormoc:

Honestly, ant-theft 3.0 is a bigger concernâ€¦ a much much much bigger concern

[20:09:02]

wagnerrp:

is that one of those 'lo-jack' type systems?

[20:09:16]

redxine:

state sponsored trojans are already a reality in Germany

[20:09:30]

redxine:

This'll just make it harder to remove.

[20:09:30]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Intel's version, yes. Destroy the cpu over 3g

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kormoc:

no it won't

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wagnerrp:

destroy... wow...

[20:09:42]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that is bad

[20:10:32]

redxine:

this is only the beginning though

[20:10:36]

Beirdo:

easy enough to avoid if you have a faraday cage

[20:10:46]

wagnerrp:

thats like the pile of termite mounted atop the hard drives

[20:10:47]

Beirdo:

3g isn't everywhere...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, issue is it only destroys the cpu, not the hard drives

[20:11:00]

wagnerrp:

just be careful not to add any sparks

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Beirdo:

true, but you can encrypt those

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Beirdo:

ala x-box

[20:11:21]

kormoc:

Sure

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i mean any sort of self-destruct system is an accident waiting to happen

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye

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Beirdo:

not to mention a lot of fun in the airport security area

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kormoc:

Right now the support is in sandy bridge but no hardware has the 3g stuff hooked up to allow it to fire

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redxine:

yay redux's back up

[20:12:04]

kormoc:

but that said, wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to have software code trigger it

[20:12:07]

redxine:

what about 3g and processors? o.o

[20:12:43]

Beirdo:

not to mention... can ET phone home with that system?

[20:12:56]

redxine:

bang the right address and you'll probably break something.

[20:14:13]

wagnerrp:

honestly, if you want a secure boot, i dont know why you couldnt restrict boot to a couple MB chunk of flash on the motherboard

[20:14:24]

wagnerrp:

it loads that, and that figures out how to load the rest of the system

[20:14:27]

kormoc:

EFI would allow that sort of thing

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redxine:

what's wrong with kernel level security?

[20:14:42]

wagnerrp:

put a physical DIP switch on the board that limits the voltage to the logic

[20:14:46]

redxine:

SELinux always seemed like a good diea

[20:14:58]

wagnerrp:

meaning if its off, you simply cant flash the memory to install a new boot rom

[20:15:01]

kormoc:

redxine, you can't trust a kernel. it may be tampered with before it was loaded

[20:15:12]

wagnerrp:

perfect security (aside from physical access)

[20:15:25]

redxine:

So, if kernel.h was tampered with by, microsoft, then you can't trust anyone! x3

[20:15:35]

redxine:

you can at least see the sauce of SELinux.

[20:15:45]

kormoc:

Secure boot isn't security against the vendor

[20:15:58]

redxine:

but the vendor has to have the keys.

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Beirdo:

as does the government

[20:16:17]

kormoc:

the vendor has to sign it, yes, but other vendors can sign things as well

[20:16:26]

kormoc:

it's up to you who's keys you trust

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redxine:

but you don't load the keys. The vendor does

[20:16:41]

redxine:

"Redux is being fettled, please be patient. Thanks"

[20:16:42]

redxine:

lawl

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kormoc:

No, you can load the keys the same way the whitebox vendor does

[20:17:12]

kormoc:

build a bios image with the keys in it and flash it

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redxine:

cake.

[20:17:36]

kormoc:

whitebox vendors do it already for other stuff

[20:17:39]

redxine:

but then you can't run potentially legitimate software.

[20:17:53]

kormoc:

patch more then one set of keys in

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redxine:

question: Does this just restrict a boot loader from running, or all the software on the system?

[20:17:56]

redxine:

i.e. bash?

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kormoc:

just the bootloader

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redxine:

.... when exactly was the last time there even WAS a serious boot sector virus problem?

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redxine:

lol

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wagnerrp:

its then up to the bootloader to ensure everything past that is kosher

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Beirdo:

yeah, no booting pigs.

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Beirdo:

mmm, bacon

[20:19:08]

** redxine noms bacon **

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kormoc:

patch the boot loader to boot a different kernel is a fairly common attack vector

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wagnerrp:

why boot them when you can eat them instead?

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redxine:

x3

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redxine:

The windows kernel's too salty anyways.

[20:19:45]

Beirdo:

hehe, yeah, if you're kicking pigskin... make it a football. It won't fight back

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wagnerrp:

i thought one of the big problems with windows was specifically that it _wasnt_ salted

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wagnerrp:

which is why rainbows work

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redxine:

you have to use your imagination

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redxine:

/spongebob

[20:20:41]

Weaselweb:

wagnerrp: yep, setting the title accordingly (or the filename at first) let the script fetch the metadata, if the connection would be ok, but that's another topic

[20:21:06]

wagnerrp:

tmdb can be slow at certain times of the week

[20:21:16]

wagnerrp:

it gets very heavy use from XBMC

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redxine:

I assume they have an acceptable use policy. What exaclty is the license on that sort of content?

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redxine:

isn't it user contributed?

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wagnerrp:

the user claims ownership of whatever they submit

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redxine:

I see.

[20:22:54]

wagnerrp:

along with forms to file a DMCA takedown

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wagnerrp:

its effectively no different from any wiki

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redxine:

I wonder if a caching server could be used with their API

[20:23:25]

wagnerrp:

yes, and they do use one

[20:23:32]

redxine:

host one solely for mythTV

[20:24:00]

kormoc:

not worth it. It'd be better to donate to the project directly then for one small community

[20:24:37]

redxine:

can't.... find.... donate.... button

[20:24:39]

** redxine dies **

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redxine:

The mythnetvision grabber scripts seem to be in /usr/share/mythtv/internetcontent instead of /usr/share/mythtv/mythnetvision

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high-rez:

Heh. Comcast has been here for > 3 hours now.

[21:14:01]

high-rez:

And still can't figure it out.

[21:14:05]

high-rez:

It's comcastic.

[21:14:20]

high-rez:

Apparently they'll now send someone out /next/ week

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high-rez:

Heh. Wow. This guy can't figure it out. Rescheduled me and is gonna take that day off. ;)

[21:25:16]

redxine:

lol. Comcastic.

[21:25:26]

redxine:

I motion for this word to be submitted to dict.org

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Beirdo:

I fricking HATE self-evaluations

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Beirdo:

This stuff is annnnoooying

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high-rez:

holy crap

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redxine:

o.o

[21:47:47]

high-rez:

Comcast won't even waive the install fee

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redxine:

x3

[21:48:06]

high-rez:

They want me to wait around in 8 days from now

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high-rez:

*blink*

[21:48:09]

redxine:

ring and threaten to cancel.

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high-rez:

I did

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redxine:

Usually works.

[21:48:17]

high-rez:

THe girl was indifferent

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Beirdo:

so ask for her manager

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Beirdo:

:)

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redxine:

Mention a competitor by name :P

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redxine:

lawl

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Beirdo:

hahah, tell her you'll go with Broadstripe... and listen to her laugh at you

[21:49:13]

high-rez:

She's like "I can have my supervisor call you back on on Tuesday"

[21:49:14]

redxine:

if comcast is as bad as it sounds, the call centre staff might be eachother's managers.

[21:49:22]

redxine:

Exactly!

[21:49:27]

redxine:

They don't have a manager x3

[21:50:05]

redxine:

be like "Then you can cancel my contract in five minutes"

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high-rez:

ok different department (new customer department) *does* have supervisors

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redxine:

yay

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wizbit:

its time to start researching a hd capable frontend box

[22:26:53]

justinh:

one with a chess plugin? go for it

[22:27:43]

wizbit:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware

[22:29:45]

wizbit:

interesting http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp?Mod . . . 03D%20Series

[22:30:03]

wizbit:

almost looks like a mac mini

[22:30:30]

redxine:

doesn't an i7 seem kind of overkill?

[22:30:57]

redxine:

oh nevermind. It's a computer not just a front end lol

[22:31:01]

wizbit:

they are quite pricey as well

[22:31:22]

wizbit:

i associate 'asrock' with lameness for some reason, maybe they are not that bad

[22:31:29]

redxine:

Exactly like a mac

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redxine:

x3

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wizbit:

i guess its cheaper than a macmini

[22:32:30]

redxine:

the downloader script structure for youtube in myth seems way too complicated for redux...

[22:32:32]

redxine:

true

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redxine:

I might try a front end mini ITX build inside a broken VHS/DVD player combo I have.

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wizbit:

yep, building yourself should be much more fun

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wizbit:

redxine: what cpu? i3?

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redxine:

not sure.

[22:37:37]

redxine:

the backend I just built has an AMD Phenom....

[22:37:52]

redxine:

I still think i3 would be overkill for just a frontend

[22:38:03]

wizbit:

if its low powered, its nice to have

[22:38:15]

redxine:

I already have a nice PSU for it

[22:39:04]

wizbit:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/03/revi . . . ater-pc.html

[22:39:18]

redxine:

I'm also trying to work out how I can use a single serial LIRC output to control two of the same brand decoders

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jams:

redxine- you will be blasting the same codes for each box?

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redxine:

Well that's the problem. Since they have the same codes, they'd both respond whether they're supposed to or not

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redxine:

so my idea is to use the parallel port and a 4066 analog switch IC to let my script control the IR blaster output

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jams:

yes..so it won't work unless you run over to the box and shield one of them

[22:42:09]

redxine:

well that's what the 4066 parallel port circuit would do. It would just sheild it electronically.

[22:42:50]

redxine:

Theoretically, I could multiplex it and use it to control up to 64 of the same boxes.

[22:43:03]

redxine:

why you'd want to do that I haven't the foggiest, but hey it's there x3

[22:46:23]

wizbit:

sometimes, ready built boxes work out cheaper and look nicer than building yourself

[22:46:36]

redxine:

yeah, but what's the fun in that??? xD

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wizbit:

that fun is, you dont have a fugly box sitting on your shelf

[22:47:41]

Beirdo:

wow. 4.5 boxes o' crap in my cubicle

[22:47:53]

redxine:

eh o.o

[22:48:11]

Beirdo:

they are shuffling us around over the weekend

[22:48:32]

redxine:

lol yay. Where?

[22:48:51]

Beirdo:

heh, I'm moving over 5 rows of cubes

[22:49:17]

redxine:

I mean to say where do you work? lol

[22:49:27]

wizbit:

the whole package, including remote, http://images.anandtech.com/doci/3954/01-V3D_Remote.JPG

[22:49:30]

Beirdo:

the poor facilities people... moving 295 employees over the weekend

[22:49:31]

Beirdo:

Marchex

[22:49:45]

redxine:

ooh o3o

[22:50:17]

redxine:

it looks nice wizbit. Except for the windows logo x3

[22:51:05]

wizbit:

and the 'asrock' logo :p

[22:51:59]

redxine:

I got this huge case for my backend. It has full size PCI and room for 4 drives and a DVD-drive

[22:52:13]

redxine:

and a huge power button that you'd swear is supposed to be a volume knob

[22:52:14]

Beirdo:

that's not huge

[22:52:21]

Beirdo:

4 drives ain't huge at all :)

[22:52:34]

biffhero:

four 2T drives, running raid5? 8T?

[22:52:39]

redxine:

seemed pretty big for a media centre x3

[22:52:48]

Beirdo:

I have a smallish cube case with 6 hard drive bays in it for my backend box

[22:52:57]

redxine:

lol no. I have one for the time being :P

[22:53:14]

Beirdo:

two for system (mirrored) + 4 * 2TB for data

[22:53:20]

Beirdo:

no raid5, it's pointless

[22:53:56]

redxine:

I might try putting the system on a flash disc in the future

[22:54:26]

biffhero:

you don't believe drives die?

[22:54:28]

redxine:

but otherwise I'm rather out in the country, and only have a 6.000 kbps connection. So no real hd content for me

[22:54:43]

wizbit:

i might net boot future hd frontend

[22:54:45]

redxine:

flash drives less than that lol

[22:55:06]

redxine:

surprisingly I've only had three die on me ever.

[22:55:21]

redxine:

my server is rocking one that's 7 years old x3

[22:56:38]

wizbit:

redxine: what is your uptime

[22:57:10]

redxine:

By the shell? 0 days right now lol. I just moved and haven't plugged it in.

[22:57:22]

wizbit:

oh

[22:57:29]

redxine:

otherwise that drive has been running mostly 24/7 for roughly 5 years.

[22:57:39]

wizbit:

no reboots?

[22:58:07]

redxine:

I've upgraded it from cent 4 to 5 so there's that

[22:58:22]

redxine:

and countless powerouts.

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redxine:

otherwise the disc never stopped spinning lol

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wizbit:

what format? xfs?

[22:59:25]

wizbit:

*filesystem

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redxine:

ext3/4

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redxine:

and 1,4 GB swap at the end.

[23:00:05]

wizbit:

ive had my hitachi recordings drive for years and years, no problems at all, thats used all the time

[23:00:22]

wizbit:

/dev/sdb1 400G 380G 21G 95% /srv/mythtv

[23:00:24]

redxine:

I think this one's a maxtor

[23:00:28]

wizbit:

it always stays at 95%

[23:00:36]

redxine:

lol

[23:00:51]

wizbit:

mythtv auto expires old recordings to make space for new stuff

[23:01:18]

biffhero:

mine doesn't. :-)

[23:01:23]

redxine:

/dev/sda1 457G 20G 414G 5% /

[23:01:23]

redxine:

haha

[23:01:25]

wizbit:

whats the point in having a recordings drive what isnt full?

[23:01:45]

wizbit:

redxine: what country you from?

[23:02:03]

redxine:

US... and UK... and Germany x3

[23:02:07]

redxine:

it's a long story xD

[23:02:07]

wizbit:

oh

[23:02:11]

justinh:

do they speak English in what? heh

[23:02:13]

wizbit:

where are you now

[23:02:24]

biffhero:

I went and said, "when we delete, don't delete, move to the deleted group", and on the autodelete the deleted group, I didn't remember to set a setting there. So we recently had deleted programs from over a year ago.

[23:02:25]

redxine:

in North West Germany

[23:02:28]

wizbit:

ok

[23:02:46]

wizbit:

my recordings drive is 95% full because i use this script: http://kbuss.co.uk/?p=20

[23:02:55]

redxine:

They use English a lot in the Netherlands which is 11 km away from here lol

[23:03:50]

wizbit:

heh

[23:04:03]

justinh:

wizbit: the wiki could use a script like that :-)

[23:04:20]

biffhero:

TVWish is _the bomb_

[23:04:36]

wizbit:

justinh: it works awesome, i never manually record anything, if i want to keep stuff, just turn off auto expire

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wizbit:

my drive remains at 95% full full of pick of the days :D

[23:04:56]

justinh:

wth is TVWish?

[23:05:16]

wizbit:

justinh: it uses that yes

[23:05:18]

biffhero:

TVWish is a script to do amazing things. let me get you the URL.

[23:05:44]

biffhero:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html

[23:06:02]

biffhero:

I used it to slam in all of the AFI lists.

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redxine:

I thought on the wiki it said it's not working in 0.24

[23:06:53]

justinh:

ugh. does it manually stuff things into the database?

[23:06:54]

wizbit:

tvwish kind of takes over mythtv and sets recordings for you, im not sure how it does it

[23:07:11]

wizbit:

justinh: its never corrupted my db ever

[23:07:19]

biffhero:

You know how amazing mythtv is when compared to non-myth systems?

[23:07:37]

biffhero:

I think that myth+tvwish is that big of a jump over myth-tvwish

[23:07:50]

redxine:

o3o

[23:07:53]

wizbit:

it creates this: Recording Group: TVWish

[23:08:08]

biffhero:

[4:06] <justinh> ugh. Â does it manually stuff things into the database? <<< I am afraid that it has to, is there an API?

[23:08:24]

justinh:

I'm staying away from it

[23:08:37]

biffhero:

how about this line? "Instead of browsing what movies are on in the next 2 weeks, just pick all your movies at once, and eventually they'll show up."

[23:08:49]

justinh:

I have an inherent mistrust of anything that stuffs things into the db itself

[23:09:18]

wizbit:

it creates a special recordings group so it does it in a clean manner

[23:10:00]

biffhero:

Yeah, the TVWish recording group keeps surprising me with joy.

[23:10:14]

wizbit:

me too

[23:10:31]

wizbit:

upcoming recordings is jammed full of interesting shows

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wizbit:

and i didnt press a thing :D

[23:10:57]

justinh:

too much ITV crap gets recorded in this house

[23:11:12]

justinh:

& a new series of "I'm a celebrity" is coming soon :-\

[23:11:34]

wizbit:

oh dear 'The Only Way Is Essex: New'

[23:11:36]

justinh:

then again, if I lose my job next week I could end up with a lot of time on my hands to watch TV

[23:11:42]

** wizbit deletes **

[23:12:30]

redxine:

yawny fox

[23:12:54]

justinh:

so does it work with 0.24 or not?

[23:13:07]

wizbit:

i been using it with 24.1 for ages

[23:13:16]

wizbit:

lets check the compile date

[23:13:18]

biffhero:

I wish I could say, "read directory 'foo', and call those TV shows" instead of dropping them in to the mythvideo directory.

[23:13:47]

biffhero:

I don't ever remember having it run, and I upgraded to .24. let me check.

[23:13:57]

redxine:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Unofficial_Plugins#General_Addons

[23:14:02]

redxine:

o.o

[23:14:16]

justinh:

btw as for an API.. it's *coming* :-)

[23:14:19]

justinh:

and it'll be amazing

[23:14:54]

biffhero:

version: mythtv-backend 2:0.24.1+fixes.20111026.fdfc989–0ubuntu0mythbuntu1 â€”

[23:15:00]

biffhero:

I have no doubt. :-)

[23:16:14]

Beirdo:

OK, time to go home early :)

[23:16:20]

biffhero:

How do we report that it works?

[23:16:26]

justinh:

edit the wiki page

[23:16:37]

Beirdo:

they told us they will start the actual moving shortly after 5:15, and it's 4:15 and I'm bored

[23:16:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:16:58]

Beirdo:

See ya guys on the flip side when I get home

[23:17:08]

biffhero:

k

[23:18:05]

redxine:

Telepathic IRC should be a reality

[23:18:40]

** redxine feels a disturbance in the force. **

[23:19:37]

wagnerrp:

justinh: tvwish has no option but to do manual things in the database

[23:19:44]

wagnerrp:

that is the only way you can schedule a new recording

[23:19:58]

justinh:

I tried reading the docs. heavy going. I can't be arsed

[23:20:20]

justinh:

not feeling particularly motivated right now

[23:21:01]

wagnerrp:

it honestly wouldnt be that difficult to make a simple interface through the services API to allow creation of recordings

[23:21:21]

justinh:

well except the desire to punch Josu Lazkano whenever I read his ML musings

[23:21:37]

redxine:

ML? o.o

[23:21:43]

wagnerrp:

mailing list

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redxine:

ach so.

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wagnerrp:

in fact, i half expect iamli ndoro to get bored this weekend, tinker further on his iOS app, and write something to allow manipulation of recording rules over the services api

[23:24:22]

biffhero:

justinh: would you like the output of a test run of tvwish ? I can email it to you or pastebin it.

[23:24:29]

redxine:

Rave code of conducts can be amusing sometimes.

[23:24:32]

redxine:

Abuse of legal substances will also not be tolerated. (i.e helium balloons)

[23:24:44]

redxine:

makes you wonder who cause that rule to come about

[23:25:04]

wagnerrp:

some dick who brought a pack of balloons in and made a nuisance of themselves

[23:25:06]

wagnerrp:

or

[23:25:10]

redxine:

xD

[23:25:27]

biffhero:

someone who was high accidentally inhaling a balloon.

[23:25:33]

wagnerrp:

some idiot who sucked down helium for a minute straight and had to get taken to the hospital

[23:25:47]

justinh:

that's darwin at work, that is

[23:25:48]

redxine:

probably the latter

[23:25:52]

wagnerrp:

you cant get 'high', you just asphyxiate yourself

[23:26:03]

redxine:

repalces the oxygen in your lungs

[23:26:11]

wagnerrp:

breathing helium means youre not getting oxygen

[23:26:18]

biffhero:

I mean high on something else being extra stupid with He.

[23:26:32]

justinh:

which makes you feel giddy, progressively making you unconscious :-)

[23:26:41]

wagnerrp:

oh inhaling the balloon, rubber and all

[23:26:46]

redxine:

Yay :3

[23:26:46]

justinh:

ha

[23:26:47]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that could be bad

[23:26:48]

redxine:

lol

[23:26:56]

biffhero:

yeah, *slurp*, ugh, dead.

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redxine:

Hey guys, I've got a whole tank here. Bottoms up!

[23:27:46]

** wagnerrp is off wiki-banning... **

[23:27:59]

redxine:

O3O

[23:28:04]

justinh:

I'll try reading up on tvwish again when I'm not so tired. or stressed

[23:28:06]

biffhero:

I also like how the suggest.pl will look at what you currently watch, and suggest things to go with it. That was one of the best things about the tivo, making sure the HD was always 95% full of "Tivo Suggestions"

[23:28:20]

biffhero:

justinh: want to see what a run of mine looks like?

[23:28:26]

justinh:

not really sorry

[23:28:28]

biffhero:

k, np

[23:28:53]

wagnerrp:

would one of you guys over there mind "taking care of" someone in poland?

[23:29:01]

** justinh apologises for not being his usual sparkling self. being informed by email you may be made redundant next week kind of sucks **

[23:29:01]

redxine:

O.O

[23:29:13]

wagnerrp:

redxine: youre in germany, it will be just like old times

[23:29:19]

redxine:

*face paw*

[23:29:33]

justinh:

but on the plus side, I bloody hate my job anyway so if I land something else it'll be nice :-)

[23:29:45]

wagnerrp:

hes been spawning dummy accounts on the wiki for about three weeks now

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redxine:

yay justinh :P

[23:29:49]

redxine:

where you work right now?

[23:30:01]

wagnerrp:

nearly all from IPs and email accounts originating in poland

[23:30:04]

justinh:

not saying :-)

[23:30:09]

redxine:

lol x3

[23:30:20]

redxine:

probably a proxy.

[23:30:21]

wagnerrp:

every so often, he actually authenticates one and makes some spam in polish

[23:30:29]

redxine:

greeaaattt

[23:30:34]

wagnerrp:

or gibberish... its hard to actually tell

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justinh:

sufficient to say, too far from home, for too little money with too little to do, for managers who are utter idiots

[23:30:43]

redxine:

lol.

[23:30:56]

redxine:

I'm not sure how much damage I can do on my sucky telekom DSL

[23:31:13]

redxine:

Haven't been to Poland yet

[23:31:36]

justinh:

oh, a good one today – a guy went up to a lower director & said the announcement was badly handled & it's affected morale. Director said he didn't believe there's any such thing as workplace morale

[23:31:55]

redxine:

justinh: It could be worse. You could be one of those brilliant people on Wall street.

[23:32:09]

biffhero:

niiice, where do you work? I need to put it on my blacklist.

[23:32:14]

justinh:

heh. I think I could deal with being hated, but rich

[23:32:52]

biffhero:

If we all agree to hate you, that's halfway there.

[23:32:53]

redxine:

I visited Berlin this past weekend, and they spent how many years trying to tear a wall down. Meanwhile in the West, there's people on Wall street wanting to put one up.

[23:33:13]

justinh:

are all those tents flame retardant?

[23:33:19]

redxine:

3

[23:33:20]

redxine:

x3

[23:33:40]

redxine:

you know it's just a bunch of english majors

[23:34:09]

redxine:

Probably raging about a book they read once and have a dispute over

[23:34:17]

redxine:

The internet just multiplied it.

[23:34:21]

justinh:

I dunno. in london it just seems they're a bunch of workshy, soap shy fools

[23:34:34]

redxine:

pretty much.

[23:34:42]

redxine:

London's scary anyways x3

[23:34:46]

wagnerrp:

meanwhile in the west, there's people on the streets who think riots and destruction makes any point other than them being prison fodder

[23:34:47]

redxine:

too many people o.o *hides*

[23:35:01]

redxine:

I saw footage of someone reading Communist manifesto!

[23:35:09]

justinh:

I hate London. Visited a few times, never really enjoyed it much

[23:35:33]

redxine:

I want to grab them by the throat and fly them to Berlin; ask any east Berliner over the age of 30 what they think of Communism.

[23:35:41]

wagnerrp:

the communist manifesto overlooks one tiny little issue about humans being out for no one but themselves

[23:35:54]

wizbit:

to hell with it, im gonna build my own frontend, starting with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--0nChlFnWY

[23:36:25]

redxine:

shiny o.o

[23:36:35]

redxine:

and deep lol

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biffhero:

frontend? I love my Acer Revo

[23:37:11]

redxine:

yay a stand!

[23:37:14]

biffhero:

quiet, too.

[23:37:15]

wagnerrp:

orientate?

[23:37:16]

justinh:

found this yesterday http://www.vesalia.de/e_tc2200%5B7170%5D.htm?slc=uk

[23:37:31]

biffhero:

that does look sexy

[23:37:33]

justinh:

looks better than any antec junk IMHO

[23:37:59]

redxine:

horray something I don't have to import

[23:38:14]

redxine:

.... the price is in GBP o.o

[23:38:27]

redxine:

and include GERMAN VAT.

[23:38:27]

wagnerrp:

i love my stock of P-18x cases, but i agree they don't make anything i would want to stick in front of my tv

[23:38:33]

redxine:

*confused fox*

[23:38:52]

wizbit:

biffhero: atom?

[23:39:08]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah I meant the 'htpc' line of theirs. the desktop etc cases are ok. well as ok as any such cases can be

[23:39:15]

wagnerrp:

no one actually loves atom processors

[23:39:25]

biffhero:

wizbit: I don't know, let me check.

[23:39:27]

wagnerrp:

they mearly stomach them to get the nvidia GPU

[23:39:45]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: i wouldnt get one

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: atom + multimedia =

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justinh:

crap pile :)

[23:40:14]

biffhero:

oh, wait, I can't log in to that box, since it is off.

[23:40:16]

wizbit:

aye

[23:40:27]

wagnerrp:

wizbit: you'll be watching media like its 1999

[23:40:35]

wizbit:

eeeek

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wagnerrp:

(because youve got every bit as much power as a late model P3)

[23:40:55]

justinh:

the pain of owning an Epia system is still too raw for me

[23:40:56]

wizbit:

intel i3 mobile cpus are expensive, so i will build my own box

[23:41:13]

justinh:

god, what a ballache that machine was

[23:41:33]

justinh:

a 1GHz 'CPU' which wouldn't even chomp through SD mpeg2 LOL

[23:41:40]

wizbit:

via?

[23:41:48]

justinh:

yeah. utterly reliant on HW decoding

[23:41:52]

wagnerrp:

the Epia chips were VIAs, yes

[23:41:53]

biffhero:

yeah, there's not a lot of power, but it's also quiet.

[23:41:57]

justinh:

compelete offload of mpeg2

[23:42:04]

justinh:

which when it worked was really neat

[23:42:20]

justinh:

sadly one day it stopped working so well on bbc recordings

[23:42:22]

biffhero:

VPDAU ?

[23:42:27]

justinh:

no, xvmc

[23:42:34]

justinh:

full xvmc mpeg2 decode

[23:42:42]

wagnerrp:

xvmc-vld, rather

[23:42:49]

wagnerrp:

stock xvmc only did motion compensation

[23:42:50]

justinh:

I mean without it, 110% CPU usage. with it, about 5%

[23:42:51]

wizbit:

the newer low powered i3s will be nice

[23:43:16]

biffhero:

the picture here looks familiar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_Revo

[23:43:50]

justinh:

mind, the new product I prepared for a demo setup today reminded me of a 1990s multimedia PC playing video. Half framerate, loads of encoding artifacts. I had to get a manager to confirm that's what it was *supposed* to look like

[23:44:13]

justinh:

and guess what? It is. LOL. No wonder sales are so bad

[23:44:56]

redxine:

heh

[23:45:22]

redxine:

I'm going to try a DVB-S card with freeview.

[23:45:30]

justinh:

freesat you mean

[23:45:39]

redxine:

I think I can get it on my spare 90 cm dish

[23:46:00]

redxine:

need... Kworld.... doesn't... ship... to Germany D:

[23:46:47]

wizbit:

antec ISK range look awesome

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wizbit:

http://store.antec.com/Product/enclosure-itx/ . . . 15170-2.aspx

[23:47:10]

justinh:

man, I really need to send a slap over IP to Josu. Moans about themes & suggests something that looks a bit more like a 280x210 gif. Prick

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justinh:

wizbit: eew

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redxine:

lol

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justinh:

if I could afford it I'd be all over the new mac mini. if they still had nvidia gpus inside. I dunno if they do or not

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redxine:

the occupy wall street protests are being ... troubled... by people dressed in black with guy fawkes masks on

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justinh:

the only computer gear my wife has ever taken one look at & asked me "when are we going to get one of these?"

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kormoc:

justinh, they don't. Intel hd 3000 or ati 6630M

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justinh:

kormoc: thought as much

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wizbit:

i used to love black av / hi-fi components, i think ill switch to silver and white this time, dust fails

[23:49:37]

redxine:

I can't stand nvidia anymore

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kormoc:

justinh, I think ATI/AMD is giving apple a huge discount and trying to convince them to move to an AMD cpu platform

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justinh:

ow

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redxine:

that'd be interesting o.o

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justinh:

yeah, a mac mini with a big grille heatsink thing on the top :D

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redxine:

x3

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wagnerrp:

redxine: its pretty rare to hear anyone who has had nvidia troubles on linux

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justinh:

the mac mini / George Foreman grill

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redxine:

o.o

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redxine:

all the accelerated drivers are proprietary

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redxine:

it's a nightmare to install.

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justinh:

redxine: so? you want them to work?

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kormoc:

%s/toubles/troubles they didn't cause themselves/

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redxine:

Intel works out of the box <3

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wagnerrp:

proprietary, yes... ive never found them a nightmare

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redxine:

no kms

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justinh:

given the choice between not working but open – or working.. I'll take working every time

[23:51:38]

kormoc:

nightmare? it's dirt simple

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wagnerrp:

intel works out of the box... sortof... limited by the fact that their hardware is crap

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jams:

the ati drivers fall in the nightmare area

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redxine:

the ATI cards I have work just like the intel ones

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wagnerrp:

no kms? meaning youre concerned about that little bit of flickering you get as the X server starts?

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redxine:

not just that

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kormoc:

redxine, no acceleration, no hardware decoding...

[23:52:18]

redxine:

nVidia said they won't support wayland....

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justinh:

somebody whose opinion I value used ATI for a while – maybe still does – and said that when the drivers work they're pretty good

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kormoc:

the open source nvidia driver works as well

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redxine:

X11 could use a little nip tuck

[23:52:29]

wagnerrp:

because wayland is stupid

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justinh:

kormoc: I'd say *also* not 'as well' ;-)

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redxine:

The open drivers don't do 3d acceleration

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redxine:

I NEED COMPIZ

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jams:

justinh- yeah when they work

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jams:

catalyst can be a real pita to get going sometimes.

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kormoc:

I wish compiz would just die

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redxine:

D:

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jams:

agreed

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justinh:

stuff like ATI's TV out (for SDTV) was utterly adjustable, by all accounts. unlike nvidia where you got like one slider

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** redxine uses the desktop cube **

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cerise4096:

x3.

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biffhero:

compiz for 3d transitions on the myth.

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redxine:

I would die without this window management

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cerise4096:

I always wished that a true 3dwm would take off.

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jams:

compiz has no purpose other then to be a shiny thing ppl like ot show up.

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redxine:

so many things open...

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redxine:

not true

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cerise4096:

Something that'd make my Vuzik goggles worthwhile

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redxine:

it's a great productivity tool

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wagnerrp:

no its not

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kormoc:

no, it's not

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cerise4096:

It totally isn't.

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redxine:

I have tons of gedit windows open, browsers, etc.

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redxine:

easy to make a screenshot and upload it

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cerise4096:

I have tons of windows open in evilwm.

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wagnerrp:

yes, and you can only look at a handful at a time

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justinh:

no, switching to a different space instantly would enable you to be more productive

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kormoc:

virtual desktops existed decades before compiz shoved them on a cube

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biffhero:

I would have to replace my revo frontend if there was a compiz myth frontend

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biffhero:

kormoc: tvtwm FTW

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redxine:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7140/tmp2jbsr.png

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wizbit:

i really like it, that case is Â£50 !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MG5oiztqs

[23:54:52]

redxine:

yay fast screenshots :3

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kormoc:

biffhero, Animated flames? It's visual communication!

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redxine:

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cerise4096:

open a terminal, run import, screenshot done.

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cerise4096:

zzzzz

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redxine:

uploading it?

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redxine:

:P

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cerise4096:

Sure, I could do that too.

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wagnerrp:

there actually are plenty of productivity enhancements you could implement with such a dynamically scalable window manager

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kormoc:

import – | ssh server 'cat – > out.png'

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wagnerrp:

but none of them have anything to do with 3d

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redxine:

but I took a screenshot of a particular area

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redxine:

and with two clicks x3

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cerise4096:

Which you can also do in import with one click.

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justinh:

that case looks like a 1950s hair dryer or something

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kormoc:

redxine, that isn't compiz, that's the window manager hooks, entirely unrelated to compiz

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biffhero:

[4:55] <kormoc> biffhero, Animated flames? It's visual communication! <<< in 3d!

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justinh:

oh wait. not hair dryer... I meant *fan* *heater* lol

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redxine:

I have the bottom right corner set to show all windows when I bump it

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redxine:

it's WAY faster than alt tab

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kormoc:

again, that's not compiz, that's the window manager

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redxine:

plus It works across all workspaces

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redxine:

metacity doesn't do it

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cerise4096:

redxine: All you're saying is that you're so brain damaged, that the only way you can work is in the UI that you've used for an untold period of time.

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justinh:

no, but anybody could have written these features for any environment

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cerise4096:

If that's how you want to be known, then more power to you.

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redxine:

you're using gnome3, aren't you?

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** justinh could almost swear Dagmar is back **

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redxine:

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7213/tmpsvlm8e.png

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kormoc:

justinh, I know! It's creepy

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redxine:

o.o

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cerise4096:

Good timing on that screenshot, redxine.

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redxine:

besides, I can work just as quickly from vtty's

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redxine:

links ftw x3

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justinh:

sometimes I miss the old days, when this channel was a bit more wild-west like

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** redxine draws gun **

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cerise4096:

I already had to shoot up wagnerrp when I first got in here.

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justinh:

but if it ever went back to that, we'd have all those poor ubuntu users with database connection issues to contend with again

[23:59:15]

wagnerrp:

eh?

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cerise4096:

Silly people who thinking IRCing as root is bad...

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cerise4096:

*think that

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redxine:

lol

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wagnerrp:

because it is

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redxine:

depends on what client your using

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wagnerrp:

no it doesnt

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kormoc:

I miss the root@* ban

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cerise4096:

wagnerrp: No. It isn't.

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redxine:

is it irssi or something with X in the name

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cerise4096:

SELinux.

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justinh:

kormoc: the mythtv@* ban is funny though

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