Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 1st, 2011, 00:14 UTC

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taylorr:

anyone using an ION/Atom to decode HD audio such as DTS-HD or TrueHD?

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jpabq:

taylorr, pretty sure the ION is not capable of HBR.

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jpabq:

The GT4xx series is supposed to be, but I have not been able to get it working with that chip, either.

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taylorr:

jpabq: the bitstreaming isn't supported on ION but uncompressed LPCM 7.1 is supported so I was wondering if an Atom handle decoding them

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taylorr:

althought I don't think ffmpeg can decode DTS-HD

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iamlindoro:

That's right, DTS core only right now... can decode TrueHD, though

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taylorr:

what's the most common TrueHD or DTS-HD?

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iamlindoro:

DTS-HD by a pretty fair margin I believe

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taylorr:

that's not cool

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iamlindoro:

Warner uses TrueHD quite a bit, they're also the ones who tend to use VC-1 a lot

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iamlindoro:

But most other companies tend to do DTS-HD and H.264

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taylorr:

doesn't appear software decoding for DTS-HD is going to happen anytime soon

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taylorr:

I'd really like to know if an ION2 can bitstream DTS-HD and TrueHD

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taylorr:

jpabq: which also are you using with your GT4xx, also what receiver do you have?

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taylorr:

s/also/Alsa/

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jpabq:

ALSA .23. I have an Anthem D2v

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taylorr:

according to the wiki a person has everything working with a GT430 and a Marantz receiver

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taylorr:

you using Ubuntu?

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jpabq:

GT430. Fedora 14

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taylorr:

ah... it's easy to update to 1.0.24 Alsa on Ubuntu

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jpabq:

I may upgrade to Fedora 16 in a month or so.

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taylorr:

jpabq: wow, that is a serious receiver you have :)

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taylorr:

no wonder you want the HD audio working!

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jpabq:

:)

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jpabq:

Anthem's ARC is incredible. I have played with Audyssey on other units, and it does not compare.

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taylorr:

that's cool... I don't understand how to adjust a room for optimum performance so that would help

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taylorr:

my new Pioneer Elite doesn't look as call anymore after seeing what you have :)

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taylorr:

s/call/cool/

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jpabq:

Pioneer's Elite line is pretty darn good, though.

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taylorr:

for the deal I got I can't complain

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taylorr:

still waiting to get it setup... got a new sub on order too

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jpabq:

Hmmmm Paradigm SUB2. I don't have one, just want one.

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taylorr:

I went with a sealed sub from Emotiva

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jpabq:

The SUB2 is like $3500

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taylorr:

the ported subs get a little too boomy for my current situation

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taylorr:

that's less than your amp :)

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jpabq:

True. Don't have any money left because of that preamp

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taylorr:

jpabq: do you think upgrading to 1.0.24 is going to help?

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taylorr:

does your 'eid' file report anything?

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taylorr:

oops, 'eld'

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jpabq:

I have not looked at the EID, but that actually could be the problem. I use a EID snapshot with the nvidia drivers, so I can turn on my mythfrontend system before turning on my pre-amp. I took that snapshot with a GT220, and have not updated it since buying the GT430

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taylorr:

I didn't mean EDID but the ELD file in /proc/asound

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taylorr:

ah, so you are forcing the EDID information

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taylorr:

yes, that could definitely cause issues

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jpabq:

Ah. I have not looked at the ELD

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taylorr:

jpabq: it mentions it here -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:HDAudioPassthrough

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jpabq:

There is no ELD file in my /proc/asound

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jpabq:

found it. It says my system is capable of DTS-HD. It does not mention DTS-MA, though...

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taylorr:

hmmm, might need to upgrade to 1.0.24.... seemed like jya recommends 1.0.24 or the git version

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taylorr:

DTS-HD is DTS-MA

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taylorr:

it's actually called DTS-HD Master Audio

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iamlindoro:

or rather, DTS-MA is a type of DTS-HD

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iamlindoro:

(specifically, the lossless type, there's a lossy version too that next to nobody uses)

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jpabq:

Yeah, I figured that DTS-MA requires more bits.

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taylorr:

jpabq: so have you got a chance to listen to HD audio on your amp yet?

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jpabq:

Yes. I have LOTR:Extended on blu. I don't know if it is a different audio mix than was on the dvd or not, but it definitely sounds much better.

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taylorr:

cool... do you have a Bluray player?

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jpabq:

I turned off the EDID snapshot, rebooted and tried Dolby True. Still no joy. My amp indicates that it is seeing Dolby True, but it cannot lock onto it — the indicated will come on for a second then go off for a few seconds — come back on for a second — repeat. I never get any sound.

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jpabq:

Guess I could try a different cable.

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styelz:

samn, trid windows media center, what a peice of shit

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styelz:

video looks like crap

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styelz:

people pay for that?

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hoolio:

if all you ever ate was baked beans, you might think they taste OK.

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styelz:

hehe

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hoolio:

which incidentally, is why i only eat baked beans :)

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hoolio:

FWIW i ran MCE for several years with no real issues; it did what it said it did OK. It just didn't do very much compared to myth

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hoolio:

and it was unstable.

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hoolio:

but myth is hardly stable either.. ;)

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** hoolio ducks **

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sphery:

myth doesn't kill stability, people do!

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noisymouse:

quick question – where do I go to for a flash stream once I've enabled it in mythweb

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sphery:

recording details screen

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sphery:

i.e. click the recording in Recording Programs

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sphery:

and direct a couple of A/C vents toward your backend system while the processor is attempting to decode the recorded TV and re-encode it in real time ;)

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noisymouse:

I see – does it save a flash version for later use?

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sphery:

nope, at this point, we don't support multiple versions of a recording

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sphery:

so it always does the re-encoding "on demand"

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noisymouse:

and a resource unavailable error is not just because it has encoded the flash yet right?

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sphery:

not sure what that means

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noisymouse:

the error?

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sphery:

yeah, don't know what that error means

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noisymouse:

ok a 303 error

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iamlindoro:

Time to figure how how in the eff to render a program guide in UIKit

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[R]:

iamlindoro: is there a way with the xml thing to get just the list of conflicts?

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iamlindoro:

xml thing? Like, the services api? Or the XML status page?

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[R]:

services

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iamlindoro:

No, nothing currently... but probably fairly easily added

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[R]:

right now im doing a --printsched and grepping with a regex to get the C

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iamlindoro:

Well, I suppose you can use the new GetUpcoming I added last weekend

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iamlindoro:

with the ShowAll option

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iamlindoro:

and check recstatus for items which are conflicts

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[R]:

i tried that

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[R]:

and it was huge

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[R]:

(that's what she said)

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iamlindoro:

It's not supposed to be grepped, you're supposed to parse the XML

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iamlindoro:

(or JSON)

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[R]:

yes, but its still like a 2MB xml file

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iamlindoro:

What is it you're processing it with?

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iamlindoro:

don'tsaybashdon'tsaybashdon'tsaybash

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[R]:

nothing

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iamlindoro:

2 MB will take what, a second to DL? And maybe another second to parse in anything with a real XML parser?

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[R]:

i was exploring my options

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sphery:

and what are you wanting it for? I'd think adding (backend-provided) filtration/interpration of the upcoming recordings list to the GetUpcoming by allowing passing in params to say what you want could be a useful addition

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[R]:

i would probably use php's simplexml

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sphery:

if you just want a quick way to get your conflicts, you can use the (old, legacy, hacked) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl

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sphery:

where that page shows a specific example of getting a list of only conflicts

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[R]:

yeah, i have a hack now with --printsched, i want a "cool" way

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iamlindoro:

You want to talk about a big parse... try 12 hours of XML program guide for 400 channels :)

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sphery:

at least something to get you through until you finish the patch to let the backend filter for you

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sphery:

(clients shouldn't have to figure out what's a conflict and what's not--interpretation should be done by the mythtv code, IMHO)

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[R]:

sphery: i want to be emailed in the morning if myth detects any conflicts for the day

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sphery:

Note: This output could be e-mailed with a script called from a cron job that uses mailx/sendmail/... to send the e-mail.

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sphery:

but myth_upcoming_recordings.pl is definitely legacy

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sphery:

future needs to be smarter--and not use client-side interpretation/filtering

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[R]:

Oct 31 19:48:45 mythback mythbackend[17091]: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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[R]:

that line is really annoying

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sphery:

then don't log at notice level?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

heres already too muc hturned off

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[R]:

Oct 31 19:48:43 mythback mythbackend[17091]: ormat_to_mode() does not recognize V4L

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[R]:

that one is annoying too

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iamlindoro:

[R]: http://git.io/1d0tlA

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sphery:

wow, I think that took you less time than it took me to talk about how I thought it should be done

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** iamlindoro feels pretty sure he's not going to get a program guide rendered tonight **

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sphery:

nice work

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

pretty simple once it occurred to me

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sphery:

hehe, sorry about sending you off on a tangent

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sphery:

yeah, glad you knew both the services api and the idea well enough to do it that quick

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[R]:

iamlindoro: nice, thanks

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iamlindoro:

I do enjoy those simple tasks, though, if only because they represent a good example to show people how to add new things

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[R]:

looks like this hsould be easy to parse with php's simplexml

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[R]:

is it weird that i write shell scripts in php?

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sphery:

could even do it with bash

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sphery:

seems a more appropriate tool for the job

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sphery:

(bad joke... please don't think I believe this)

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[R]:

sphery: iamlindoro almost had an anurism waiting for me to tell him if i was going to use bash or not

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Nothing wrong with bash I guess, since at least in this case you're letting myth do the work properly

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iamlindoro:

and just consuming data

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iamlindoro:

there are just way better things to parse with

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

in other news, I've nearly finished my native bash implementation of the mythproto... it, along with my native bash implementation of mysql's tcp/ip protocol, will finally allow me to build a proper frontend replacement

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

hey, tcp/ip in bash is pretty cool...

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iamlindoro:

at last, freed from the tyranny of Mythfrontend

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sphery:

yeap

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sphery:

and everyone knows that bash has a /much/ better UI than mythfrontend

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** wagnerrp eyes sphery with a desire to bash somhing **

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wagnerrp:

*something

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sphery:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

delete something;

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iamlindoro:

something = NULL;

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iamlindoro:

phew

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iamlindoro:

</extremely geeky joke brought on by memory leak analysis tools>

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noisymouse:

ok so I'm having the problem described in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/427656 and am wondering if there will be updates to mythweb for .24 to make it work

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Beirdo:

figuring that bug predates 0.24, doubtful

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noisymouse:

hmm

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noisymouse:

but isn't .24 stable?

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wagnerrp:

stable doesnt mean 'bug free'

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Beirdo:

what I'm saying is that that bug predates 0.24, and was deemed fixed before 0.24

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noisymouse:

I see

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Beirdo:

so if it's broken, it's likely broken again, and it's likely nobody knows about it

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Beirdo:

I dunno

[04:14:47]

Beirdo:

that whole section is experimental code anyways

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noisymouse:

.24-svn has date of February 16, 2008

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noisymouse:

, but report was frin 2010

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noisymouse:

*from

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Beirdo:

0.24 release was around this time last year

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noisymouse:

I see

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noisymouse:

well it might not be the same problem, but it sounds similar

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noisymouse:

basically I'm having a problem with both mythweb thumbnails and flowplayer

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noisymouse:

any advice on fixing the thumbnail problem?

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Beirdo:

not off-hand

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noisymouse:

I'm just not sure if it's a problem with my configuration or with mythweb itself

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noisymouse:

what would be the best way to get support with this issue??

[04:23:56]

Beirdo:

users mailing list, maybe?

[04:25:06]

Beirdo:

wow, that was fun

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Beirdo:

hmm, not shutting down cleanly. Crud.

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Beirdo:

but at least no crashy now :)

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Beirdo:

OK, I see....

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[R]:

i thought the signal montior was F9

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wagnerrp:

7

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Beirdo:

ARGH!

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Beirdo:

dangit, ac3_decode_frame... how the BLEEP are you getting a bad frame!?

[05:00:19]

iamlindoro:

Heyyyyy, not half bad for an evening's work. http://www.fecitfacta.com/guide.png

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iamlindoro:

Durations aren't reflected in widths, but that can be overcome

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iamlindoro:

75 minutes work

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Beirdo:

OK, not crashy right *now* Wonder if that will stay this time

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: awesome, keep up the always great work

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: looks neat. No use to me personally, but cool anyways :)

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Shadow__X:

i would have use for that

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: you saw the video, right?

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iamlindoro:

http://vimeo.com/31353793

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Shadow__X:

no, i did not. Watching it right now. Originally i thought it was a theme for mythweb

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Shadow__X:

i am only a minute in (comcast is having issues) but wow, I am really glad to see that type of functionality but also an application like that.

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Shadow__X:

kudos to you

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Beirdo:

OK, that's it. I hate this crap.

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg is seemingly not terribly threadsafe

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wagnerrp:

xris: are you complaining about your own brew?

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xris:

wagnerrp: from my brewery but not my brew specifically

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xris:

I acquired it uncarbonated. just decided I couldn't wait for it to be completely done.

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wagnerrp:

it came uncarbonated?

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xris:

easier to fill the keg that way

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, that's why we have avcodeclock

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wagnerrp:

i thought carbonation was part of the fermentation process

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xris:

with bottles

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, which is not easy to use the way I'm doing this, but I guess I need to. BLECH

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xris:

well, not part of fermentation specifically.. but you can carbonate with yeast (and stuff gets a little carbonated while it ferments, if you have closed fermentation)

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xris:

but most breweries force-carbonate

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xris:

bigger places have counter-pressure devices and can carbonate huge devices and fill kegs with pre-carbonated beer. but I think that stuff would cost more than our annual budget at the moment. :)

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xris:

"large batches in huge devices"

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** wagnerrp 's beer of choice comes as a syrup **

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Beirdo:

there.

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Beirdo:

dangit!

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Beirdo:

now it won't shutdown due to a deadlock in the db logging code that has been giving us no end of headaches

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noisymouse:

so apparently my mythweb problem was that it requires furl_open = yes in php.ini

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iamlindoro:

Now we're talkin' http://www.fecitfacta.com/guide2.png

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: i finally was able to finished watching the video. I am really liking it and cant wait to see it be released. I am curious about streaming recordings to the ipad. Presumably you would already had the recording transcoded into mpeg4 and stream that to the ipad instead of live transcoding

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Why would you want to have to wait for a transcode to complete?

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention the iOS devices have stringent codec and container requirements that Myth doesn't currently do

[06:01:11]

iamlindoro:

It's not just a matter of "Be H.264," it need to be within narrow parameters and served up in a certain chunked way, too

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Shadow__X:

live streaming can be pretty quick

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iamlindoro:

Better to just perform the transcode on the fly

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Shadow__X:

oh ok so you are talking about on the fly

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Shadow__X:

sorry for the misunderstanding.

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wagnerrp:

s/devices/applications/

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Shadow__X:

yeah i know they are on the more stringent side. I previously tried to see what i could send to an ipod touch through on the fly transcoding and it was not working out

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Shadow__X:

air video does a good job of on the fly transcoding so i know it can be down. They also use their own modified ffmpeg build so i know it can be done

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iamlindoro:

who said it couldn't be done?

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iamlindoro:

But are you going to do it?

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iamlindoro:

and if not, then what is your point?

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Shadow__X:

i am not actively working on it right now so i cant sa that i abos\solutely do it

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iamlindoro:

Note that kicking off some silly ffmpeg script does not count as doing it. Doing it means building it from libav*, into the backend, and hooking it into an on-the-fly API

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Shadow__X:

the point would be regardless of me completing it or not, i am glad its being worked on since it is a great feature to have and the community would greatly benefit

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[R]:

hrm lesson learned

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[R]:

mythbackend doesnt like being shutdown while its shutdown command is running

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Beirdo:

OK, that's enough fun for one night.

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justinh:

holy crap. /etc/hosts had an entry of 127.0.1.1 for the backend's hostname

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justinh:

that was a heck of a typo to go unnoticed for a long time

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goibhniu:

Hi, I'd like to use something like UnionFS so that I can extend the storage available to MythTV easily by adding new disks (and also remove failed ones easily .. which is why I'd rather not use LVM or RAID)

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goibhniu:

It seems like aufs and mhddfs are options .. and there seems to be other UnionFS like projects too, has anyone any advice on what to go with?

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laga:

goibhniu: use storage groups

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goibhniu:

is that a MythTV feature?

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laga:

yes

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laga:

see the mythtv wiki

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goibhniu:

awesome, thanks!

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goibhniu:

that is perfect!

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justinh:

for good justice use storage groups!

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laga:

storage groups >> unionfs

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goibhniu:

so brilliant .. I've spent all morning reading about various problems with LVM/RAID/mhddfs/aufs etc. .. I never even thought it would be built into MythTV already!

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justinh:

RAID? for teevees? Heh

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goibhniu:

fun stuff to read about .. but I am so glad i don't have to deal with it :)

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justinh:

I don't think reading about RAID or LVM is very much fun at all

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goibhniu:

well, I never heard of unionfs/aufs or mhddfs before ... now I have no excuse to use them, but you never know :)

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justinh:

I'd never heard of mhddfs either. I'm in no hurry to find out :-) Hmmm filesystems . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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goibhniu:

heh

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goibhniu:

is there some way to enter text into fields in mythbrowser with a normal remote (rather than a keyboard)?

[14:21:05]

wagnerrp:

hitting enter on an edit box should open up an on-screen keyboard

[14:22:20]

goibhniu:

thanks, it doesn't seem to .. although I am only testing in a VM and don't have a remote control connected, perhaps it knows this

[14:22:36]

wagnerrp:

no

[14:26:15]

justinh:

god, if only mythtv could know it's being run within a VM

[14:26:36]

justinh:

I'd submit a patch to make it quit if it detected a virtual environment

[14:26:47]

justinh:

<<< hater

[14:28:20]

goibhniu:

well, I was thinking it might know if a remote control is being used instead of a keyboard/mouse :)

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justinh:

you can't use a mouse with mythtv. as anybody who's ever tried will attest :-)

[14:44:17]

goibhniu:

hmm .. but with mythbrowser?

[14:45:05]

justinh:

about all you can use with a mouse :)

[14:47:06]

goibhniu:

wagnerrp: did you mean that the on-screen keyboard pops up in general .. or also in the mythbrowser?

[14:47:15]

** goibhniu does get an on-screen keyboard elsewhere **

[14:47:25]

wagnerrp:

it pops up in general, i dont know if it is used in mythbrowser specifically

[14:47:32]

justinh:

don't reckon it is

[14:47:34]

goibhniu:

ah, thanks

[14:47:49]

goibhniu:

it's fair enough if you need a keyboard to use the browser

[14:47:53]

justinh:

web browsing with a remote is a bit of a MEH experience anyway IMHO

[14:48:03]

justinh:

or any web browsing on a TV

[14:48:26]

goibhniu:

the page about using firefox as a browser suggests there's a greasemonkey script which can do the job

[14:49:10]

justinh:

why do people want to surf the web on their TV?

[14:49:12]

wagnerrp:

on screen keyboards implemented using javascript?

[14:49:23]

wagnerrp:

next thing you know, theyll be writing video decoders in that thing

[14:50:02]

_abbenormal:

its nice if your watching something and see someone your not sure of who they are and be able to look them up i do this all the time

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wagnerrp:

_abbenormal: yes, but mythtv does not currently allow multiple contexts

[14:50:40]

wagnerrp:

meaning you have to exit playback to enter the browser

[14:50:53]

goibhniu:

wagnerrp: heh .. didn't someone do that recently?

[14:50:54]

_abbenormal:

i know

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_abbenormal:

but thats why some want to surf the net on there tv

[14:51:45]

taylorr:

sphery: you got any recommendations on a low-power, affordable processor for a mini-itx system?

[14:51:58]

wagnerrp:

just pull up the actor list from the EPG

[14:52:30]

simonckenyon:

my system has been broken for 5 months now (#9830/#9846). anyone got any ideas how to fix this?

[14:52:31]

goibhniu:

taylorr: for a backend or frontend or both?

[14:52:33]

justinh:

THEIR. Not 'there'

[14:52:59]

wagnerrp:

taylorr: you can build a (desktop class) i3 system, intel graphics, that idles under 30W

[14:53:15]

wagnerrp:

and costs maybe $250

[14:55:12]

justinh:

simonckenyon: I'd have given up on mythtv by now

[14:55:29]

taylorr:

wagnerrp: but at the single-core celerons suitable if I'm going to use VDPAU?

[14:55:38]

justinh:

don't rely on VDPAU

[14:55:46]

taylorr:

goibhniu: this is for a frontend-only

[14:55:50]

wagnerrp:

an Atom is suitable if youre going to rely on VDPAU

[14:55:54]

taylorr:

I do rely on VDPAU

[14:56:04]

wagnerrp:

but that choice is up to you

[14:56:04]

justinh:

lol

[14:56:24]

wagnerrp:

i dare say youre far more qualified than most to understand the repercussions of that choice

[14:56:26]

wagnerrp:

:)

[14:57:09]

taylorr:

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a deinterlacer that is even close to the one's available via VDPAU

[14:57:19]

justinh:

ONES. Not one's

[14:57:31]

simonckenyon:

justinh: like i said; it has been broken for 5 months – i don't use it because of this bug – trouble is i have too much invested in it (hardware/disk space/time) to just abandon it

[14:57:37]

justinh:

plurals don't need apostrophes

[14:57:49]

justinh:

simonckenyon: or don't use livetv :)

[14:58:13]

wagnerrp:

taylorr: software decoding with the VDPAU renderer?

[14:58:47]

justinh:

I can't really fault yadif 2x to be honest

[14:59:02]

taylorr:

that's fine as long as the PCIe isn't 1x

[14:59:10]

simonckenyon:

justinh: it is one of the use-cases for mythtv which i happen to like

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justinh:

I wouldn't be able to put up with all the lag

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taylorr:

can anyone confirm that the ION2 (next-generation ION) supports DTS-HD and TrueHD bitstreaming?

[15:08:16]

justinh:

very much depends on the individual hardware doesn't it?

[15:08:44]

taylorr:

I saw where JYA said it did but a large majority of windows users claim it doesn't do to the GT218 GPU not supporting PAP (Protected Audio Path)

[15:09:13]

taylorr:

yes, it is hardware dependent (that's why I asked about ION2 specifically)

[15:09:16]

justinh:

that'd make little difference to linux users

[15:09:49]

taylorr:

well I'm just wondering if the PAP restriction is artificial or not

[15:10:33]

justinh:

in software you mean? more than likely

[15:10:50]

taylorr:

I have no idea... that's why I am asking

[15:10:59]

justinh:

google might know

[15:11:18]

wagnerrp:

i would expect PAP is artificial for windows only

[15:11:25]

taylorr:

you don't think that I've googled it.... there is so much misinformation out there it's not funny

[15:11:35]

justinh:

HDCP is pretty much Windows only :)

[15:11:38]

simonckenyon:

does nobody (apart from me) use live-tv?

[15:11:51]

justinh:

simonckenyon: why would I? it's awful

[15:11:55]

taylorr:

you are the only one in existence AFAIK

[15:12:09]

taylorr:

just joking... I use live-tv

[15:12:20]

justinh:

if we want to watch anything live for whatever reason, we watch it live. not through mythtv

[15:12:22]

iamlindoro:

It's not relevant whether anyone else uses it-- it's only relevant whether anyone who can fix your issue does-- and the answer to that is likely "no"

[15:12:47]

iamlindoro:

since the heaviest live TV use amongst the devs is occasional testing or non-critical use

[15:13:06]

iamlindoro:

You could always dig in and fix it

[15:13:35]

taylorr:

iamlindoro: do you have any understanding of PAP (Protective Audio Path) and if it matters to linux or not?

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simonckenyon:

danial broke it 5 months ago – if he can't fix it what chance do i have

[15:13:56]

taylorr:

simonckenyon: is there a ticket?

[15:14:09]

iamlindoro:

taylorr: I don't believe it's relevant to linux at all

[15:14:17]

justinh:

taylorr: the player software goes looking for a key exchange. therefore it'll likely be windows only

[15:14:23]

simonckenyon:

#9830 and/or #9846

[15:14:28]

justinh:

just like HDCP

[15:15:27]

justinh:

well, windows only on PCs. everything else like hardware, consoles etc.. will obey restrictions

[15:16:28]

taylorr:

simonckenyon: I no longer use SD capture cards so it's hard for me to help

[15:16:47]

taylorr:

if I can't reproduce it then debugging it is a nightmare

[15:17:22]

taylorr:

simonckenyon: does it appear that it's related to a timeout? just asking because you can sometimes extend the timeout and it helps

[15:17:36]

simonckenyon:

i only use one to capture the output from my set top box (sky uk). i would gladly replace

[15:17:43]

justinh:

do analogue cards have timeouts?

[15:17:57]

justinh:

AFAIK the only configurable timeouts are for DVB tuners

[15:17:59]

taylorr:

I'd recommend an HD-PVR but the ones I have make me mad sometimes

[15:18:18]

taylorr:

I'm talking about timeouts in the code on the player side

[15:18:56]

simonckenyon:

i will follow the timeout line of enquiry tonight

[15:19:13]

simonckenyon:

anyone use an HD-PVR with a sky STB?

[15:19:27]

justinh:

ouch. expensive

[15:19:52]

justinh:

is there any point? Â£250 for a SDTV capture device – since you can't grab component from a Sky box

[15:20:19]

justinh:

you'd have to be beyond desperate IMHO

[15:20:27]

simonckenyon:

i have to do something

[15:20:58]

justinh:

hmmm. wonder if the HD-PVR can do RGB capture. that might swing it

[15:21:57]

wagnerrp:

even if the chip itself could, the firmware isnt set up for it

[15:22:06]

wagnerrp:

you need something like an HDFury

[15:22:19]

wagnerrp:

(for digital)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: no I mean SDTV RGB capture

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wagnerrp:

or some kind of scan converter for analog

[15:22:44]

justinh:

it has component, so why not just kick a register bit & go RGB too?

[15:23:14]

wagnerrp:

well you would have to do a colorspace transform inside the hardware

[15:23:38]

wagnerrp:

h264 is only designed for use with the YUV colorspace

[15:23:39]

justinh:

would you? its video decoder chip can probably do it

[15:23:40]

simonckenyon:

or i could just get my pvr350 to work

[15:23:58]

simonckenyon:

hd-fury looks kind of dodgy

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justinh:

wagnerrp: really? that'd be the clincher then

[15:24:30]

wagnerrp:

are you talking about SCART RGB?

[15:24:32]

justinh:

although maybe the chip can already do it & hauppauge just left it out

[15:24:35]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yes

[15:24:43]

wagnerrp:

is that just a VGA signal?

[15:24:46]

justinh:

no

[15:24:57]

justinh:

it

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justinh:

duh

[15:25:12]

wagnerrp:

use your words justinh

[15:25:12]

justinh:

it's kind of like component, only red green & blue, not difference signals

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justinh:

haha yes the ADV7401 supports RGB

[15:28:54]

wagnerrp:

so now someone is complaining that were complaining about CBS on the mailing list, rather than answering his questions

[15:29:42]

justinh:

simonckenyon: mythbackend was waiting like 10 seconds to open a ringbuffer file?!

[15:30:08]

wagnerrp:

looking back through my mailing list archives, sphery answered a question about database issues (run the optimization tool), i answered a question about HDHR sharing (cant do it), and lawrence rust answered one about acpi wakeu

[15:30:08]

wagnerrp:

p

[15:30:40]

wagnerrp:

all of his questions were answered, just perhaps not with the answer he wanted

[15:31:03]

simonckenyon:

justinh: so it looks like a bug – no?

[15:31:53]

justinh:

simonckenyon: more worthwhile running it with -v record

[15:32:19]

simonckenyon:

justinh: will do so tonight and post logs to ticket

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justinh:

looks like there's other stuff going wrong in there too

[15:35:05]

justinh:

like you need to rescan for one

[15:35:19]

justinh:

for another, errors about frequencies being out of range.. whoops

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simonckenyon:

oh i know i need to rescan. trouble is i will lose all my work on setting up all the channels – the freq out of range has always been an issue for myth

[15:36:57]

justinh:

having to rescan is a total PITA

[15:37:21]

justinh:

I pretty much know what I'm doing & I fear the scanner

[15:38:06]

justinh:

simonckenyon: anyway what makes you say daniel broke it?

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justinh:

cos like you say, if he doesn't know what's up.. most people stand no chance of being able to help

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simonckenyon:

justinh: because it broke after he did a big checkin in this area – the big recorder rewrite

[15:40:51]

justinh:

heh. I think I'd already have gone back to 0.24

[15:41:39]

justinh:

it was touch & go for a while when I was seeing very frequent backend deadlocks

[15:42:59]

simonckenyon:

justinh: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b22460f5 et al.

[15:43:11]

simonckenyon:

justinh: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b22460f5 etc.

[15:43:25]

simonckenyon:

finger trouble

[15:43:29]

justinh:

I hate github URLs

[15:44:08]

justinh:

wow. slow today or what?

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simonckenyon:

it was the merge of the rec2 rewrite

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simonckenyon:

well that is my theory

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justinh:

oof. that's a pretty big changeset

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sphery:

wagnerrp: should we send answers that he likely wanted, now, just to appease him?

[16:21:17]

wagnerrp:

he never did respond as to whether that database script solved his problem

[16:25:44]

sphery:

hehe, yeah, I'll include that in my reply

[16:27:21]

veehexx_:

are there any known issues with mythbuntu 11.04 64bit and myth 0.24? (i;d of though if they were known, they'd be fixed :P)

[16:27:34]

wagnerrp:

i mean the HDHomeRun, you simply cant do what he wants, end of story

[16:27:44]

tgm4883:

veehexx_, I know of none

[16:27:47]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, yeah, your answer was bad--in a completely separate/broken thread, he replied, "Nuh, uh!" – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493806#493806

[16:27:55]

wagnerrp:

the database issue, he never said that didnt fix it, so there was no reason to continue the thread

[16:28:08]

sphery:

and how in the world can you argue with "Nuh, uh!"

[16:28:21]

wagnerrp:

and the APCI power off, i bet all of a couple percent of mythtv users shut down their primary backend

[16:28:24]

tgm4883:

sphery, "yea huh!"

[16:28:28]

sphery:

if 0.21 did it, then 0.24 should!!!

[16:28:37]

sphery:

How to make 0.24 more like 0.21?

[16:28:42]

veehexx_:

tgm4883 – ok. atleast i know things SHOULD be ok :) not quite at the point i need help, but almost there :(

[16:28:57]

wagnerrp:

the only thing left was the playback profile stuff back in may

[16:29:01]

tgm4883:

sphery, how about just installing 0.21?

[16:29:05]

sphery:

tgm4883: hehe, I stand corrected... That's a cleverly crafted response that completely nullifies his "Nuh, uh!"

[16:29:10]

wagnerrp:

where in the first post, he came to the solution that he should be running slim

[16:29:16]

wagnerrp:

there was no need for further discussion

[16:29:37]

tgm4883:

I'm clearly missing this thread

[16:29:55]

wagnerrp:

'CBS rant' in response to 'CBS sucks'

[16:30:07]

veehexx_:

i've just not read that thread (or the CBS one..)

[16:30:27]

tgm4883:

hmm, I should possibly subscribe to mythtv-users and not just filter for mythbuntu/ubuntu?

[16:30:32]

wagnerrp:

complaining that people are so caught up in a pointless complaint over CBS delaying programming because of sports overruns, while not paying attention to his technical problems

[16:31:22]

tgm4883:

isn't delaying programming a good thing?

[16:31:45]

tgm4883:

I'm assuming the alternative is having the sports program going over half the show

[16:32:41]

sphery:

the biggest problem is that it messes with the schedule for the remainder of the evening

[16:32:56]

sphery:

so you have the following shows starting anywhere from a minute to 60+ minutes lates

[16:32:58]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: right, 'we now return to the in-progress show'

[16:33:14]

tgm4883:

sphery, true

[16:33:31]

sphery:

I don't mind the "return to our regularly-scheduled programming, already in progress" when the show that's cut off is one I don't watch... ;)

[16:33:32]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, is the show usually rebroadcast later in it's entirety?

[16:33:50]

sphery:

most times, yes--unless it's an "unimportant" show

[16:33:59]

wagnerrp:

on the broadcast networks? sometimes, sometimes not

[16:34:02]

sphery:

but unless you notice that yours got bumped and delete + allow re-record...

[16:34:07]

tgm4883:

sphery, usually another day? or early in the morning?

[16:34:23]

wagnerrp:

you may have to wait until after the season is over, or perhaps a couple week gap in programming, to get a rerun

[16:34:24]

tgm4883:

sphery, yea I guess that could be a problem

[16:34:39]

wagnerrp:

cable? they run those things several times a week

[16:34:46]

wagnerrp:

but then cable stations generally dont get sports

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sphery:

could show people how to do a secondary rule that records the same show at low priority without dup matching

[16:34:58]

wagnerrp:

TNT gets basketball, but that rarely overruns

[16:35:17]

sphery:

seems csi: miami doesn't get reruns when delayed

[16:35:28]

sphery:

maybe they only rerun when it's cut off

[16:35:44]

wagnerrp:

not explicitly, but CBS usually reruns most of the season during the off season

[16:35:46]

sphery:

(though, when watching at my schedule, you'll get the reruns in the summer...)

[16:35:51]

sphery:

yep

[16:36:02]

tgm4883:

need some sort of notification that says "your scheduled recording was preceded by a sports program, perhaps you should check if it was overrun"

[16:36:20]

sphery:

shouldn't mythtv just notice and fix it automatically

[16:36:25]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: but then you have to be around to fix things manually

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sphery:

we could crowd-source it

[16:36:33]

tgm4883:

sphery, isn't there a setting for that?

[16:36:38]

tgm4883:

;)

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sphery:

so that people upload a list of shows that all mythtv boxes should delete automatically

[16:36:50]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: no, but there _is_ an app for that

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, well you could have it in some "events" list somewhere

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sphery:

IMHO, the problem is already solved... just put sufficient padding on all following recordings

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tgm4883:

you wouldn't need to be around when it happened, just have some sort of notifiation

[16:37:39]

sphery:

if you don't have sufficient tuners, Hauppauage makes some really great ones for great prices

[16:37:48]

sphery:

(speaking of which... maybe my 2250 will arrive today!)

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tgm4883:

sphery, I don't think I like that solution

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how inefficient would a power rule that drew on other recording rules be?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: how so?

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tgm4883:

sphery, unless you want to implement overlapping recordings when they exist on the same channel for things like HDPVR

[16:38:30]

wagnerrp:

i.e. scan for shows set to record after sports events

[16:39:01]

wagnerrp:

check it has a higher priority, so it overrides the normal rule for that show

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sphery:

wouldn't that be more of a custom rule that drew on prior listings?

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wagnerrp:

i mean, lets say youre recording something sunday night after a football game

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wagnerrp:

this rule would in effect, implement every recording rule you had a second time

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sphery:

tgm4883: yeah, I admit that it gets more expensive for people using hd-pvr--but that's the problem with cable TV in general... It's not meant to be inexpensive

[16:40:03]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I like that idea

[16:40:06]

wagnerrp:

check if any of them are within a couple hours of a sports event

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wagnerrp:

and then record the same show, at a higher priority, with padding

[16:40:38]

sphery:

yeah, that would be doable

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, would scheduling necessarily have that info?

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tgm4883:

I'm unsure how much in advance that sort of scheduling needs

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sphery:

it's just the automated version of "just put sufficient padding on all following recordings"

[16:41:16]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: you would just search for anything with the category 'sports'

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veehexx_:

im struggling to see what thics CBS issue is? afaik the only way mythtv can know whats on is via EIT/xmltv data. if that doesnt get updated, hows does mythtv know if a show is overrunning?

[16:41:25]

wagnerrp:

maybe filter it for anything 3hrs or longer

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wagnerrp:

veehexx_: no, it doesnt get updated

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tgm4883:

eg. the network sees the show has been overrun by a sporting event then decides to rebroadcast the show in the early morning

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tgm4883:

I've seen the locals do that before

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tgm4883:

if that happens days in advance, then your method is fine. But if it's someone flipping a switch that says "rebroadcast this because it was overrun" I don't see getting much advance notification of that

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tgm4883:

notably, I'm thinking about when they run the CC looking message saying it will be rebroadcast. I think NBC has done that in the past

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tgm4883:

err, looks more like a ticker than CC

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would have to be recording that channel at that time to capture and process the CC data

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tgm4883:

well I don't think it's CC data actually

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tgm4883:

could be though

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wagnerrp:

similarly with EIT, you would need to have a tuner actively tuned to it to pick up the new PSIP data

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, well it would be though, since you have the show scheduled to record

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tgm4883:

I've seen it toward the end of basketball games

[16:45:39]

tgm4883:

<show> will be rebroadcast tomorrow at XX:XX

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tgm4883:

but unless they have a way of turning on CC so I have to see it, it's not CC data

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tgm4883:

crowd sourcing may not work either, as you are likely dealing with smaller segments

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taylorr:

simonckenyon: you've probably already done this but make sure your clocks are synchronized

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sphery:

and with eit, you'd need the networks to actually update it, the rebroadcaster to actually pass it, and the code to actually notice it and then decide how to adjust things for all remaining programs until some reasonable period passes

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sphery:

oh, and you'd have to hope that it's more accurate than their typical EIT garbage

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simonckenyon:

taylorr: i have them all using NTP. all hell breaks loose if they are not.

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sphery:

(the clock on my local stations varies by >15 minutes across channels)

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sphery:

if they can't even get the current time right...

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tgm4883:

well with many of the sports programs I'm thinking of, doesn't that come from the rebroadcaster?

[16:50:47]

tgm4883:

I don't really know how far up the chain of NBC it goes to broadcast blazer games

[16:51:04]

tgm4883:

it's just the local affiliate for most of them, but I see your point

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sphery:

and, yes, this means that my TV, which uses the EIT data for now/next, will happily be showing say, "NCIS" at 8:05pm and say, "Now" is "Inside Edition" and "Next" is "NCIS"

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tgm4883:

sphery, bleh

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sphery:

by rebroadcaster, I mean cable/satellite cos

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tgm4883:

fix what you can I say

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tgm4883:

hmm, seems it's lunch time

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taylorr:

iamlindoro: looks like you are correct – PAP (and PVP) are a Microsoft creation that linux doesn't care about

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taylorr:

so HD bitstreaming should work on the ION2 under linux but not windows – that's a nice change :)

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Oleg_:

guys, I don't know if it's the kde issue or mythtv issue, but something in kde causes slowdowns in my hard disk's performance. For example, I play a video or watch live tv, and it often stops for a second trying to do buffering

[17:25:33]

Oleg_:

however, I don't this issue when I use mythtv on icewm

[17:25:42]

Oleg_:

I don't have this issue, I mean

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veehexx:

hard drive dying?

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Oleg_:

no

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Oleg_:

in kde, I have this problem; in icewm, I don't have it

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veehexx:

oh, sorry – i mis-read... 'iceVM' i thought you said.

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Oleg_:

icewm as in ice window manager :)

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** veehexx not very linux knowledgable **

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wagnerrp:

stop using kde?

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wagnerrp:

kde should not be able to affect mythtv playback

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wagnerrp:

because kde should be installed on a separate drive from your recordings

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wagnerrp:

and the IO needed for the database queries should not be sufficient to cause problems

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Oleg_:

what is it in kde that affects the disk's io?

[17:32:24]

Oleg_:

maybe some apps that run in background needs to be killed?

[17:32:47]

Oleg_:

what do you mean, kde should be installed on a separate drive?

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean your database and recordings should be kept on separate drives

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bumblebeebat:

I tired the new beta hd-pvr driver, version 1.6.29277, that was released on Oct 24th. Although it "Initialize ProcAmp values in Firmware (helps Linux/Mac installations)", it still seems to crash. I will do some more digging to see if i can get it to work.

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wagnerrp:

usually people put their OS and all applications on their database drive

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veehexx:

why when i install 'frontend only' (from CD), i also get a secondary BE installed?

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wagnerrp:

because there is no such thing as 'frontend only'

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wagnerrp:

there is mythtv, with all the mythtv applications

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wagnerrp:

frontend, backend, mythfilldatabase, mythjobqueue, mythadozenotherthings

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veehexx:

so that must be where im going wrong. remove the SBE role and it all goes belly up! (i have seperate BE and FE machines)

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wagnerrp:

then there are the plugins, with a shared object that gets loaded into the frontend, and a couple of helper applications

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veehexx:

i'llhave to read up on the 5 different roles of mythtv... i seem to of got myself confused!

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wagnerrp:

roles are something introduced by various distributions

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wagnerrp:

for the purposes of automatically configuring some bits of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv, you have the frontend, the backend, and the database

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wagnerrp:

the frontend plays, the backend records

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wagnerrp:

and its up to you to place those where and how you choose

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veehexx:

thast were im confused though. mythbuntu has 'frontend only'. yet once installed, it also has SBE roll installed.

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veehexx:

even though i only want it to be a playback device.

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wagnerrp:

why does it matter?

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veehexx:

i thought it might, but functionally, it seem to work.

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veehexx:

so im not bothered :P

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is not run the backend

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tgm4883:

veehexx, what version of mythbuntu?

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veehexx:

11.04

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veehexx:

bbs – dinner time.

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veehexx:

..... mythbuntu 11.04 x64 if it matters

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tgm4883:

veehexx, looks like it's pulled in because of a suggests. I'll look into it further

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veehexx:

ii think there might be a reequirement for it. since it's working (and im on about my 8th install), im leaving it as is

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veehexx:

i've removed it in the past and it seems to break the FE connection to the MBE

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tgm4883:

veehexx, well there isn't a requirement for it, but there is a reason it is a suggests. I have a feeling it has something to do with mythvideo

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veehexx:

bbl

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noisymouse:

so why isnt #mythtv the user channel and #mythtv-dev for devs?

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kormoc:

noisymouse, because the developers were here before the users?

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noisymouse:

well I just mean most oss projects have user support at #project and #project-dev otherwise

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noisymouse:

it seems kind of user-unfriendly

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kormoc:

most, not all

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GreyFoxx:

the channels were setup long before the -user -dev stuff became the "norm" and noone wants to change

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GreyFoxx:

It is expected that users are capable of reading topics and any auto notices when joining a channel

[19:02:23]

noisymouse:

anyway, where's the best place to look at settings for wii flash streams?

[19:02:41]

noisymouse:

I actually have working flash streams from mythweb, but they don't work with the wii Internet Channel

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Beirdo:

ummm, #wii?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo puts on his smartass hat for the day **

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noisymouse:

...

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noisymouse:

-.-

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kormoc:

I can't say I've ever looked into the wii browser

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kormoc:

is it opera based or entirely custom?

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noisymouse:

it is "opera powered"

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noisymouse:

it seems to work with most flash stuff, even flash games

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noisymouse:

I was sort of wondering though if ffmpeg's flash is equivalent to Flash 8 or lower, because that's the limit to what the Wii can play

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kormoc:

I believe we're using a flash 9 encoding profile

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noisymouse:

maybe that's the problem then

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noisymouse:

yeah, I've been working on trying to replace our dvr, but my old laptop's sound system is quirky

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noisymouse:

I haven't given mythbuntu a shot though since I upgraded to .24 so maybe itll work

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kormoc:

it's also easy to change the fly encoding settings so if you google around for wii fly ffmpeg, I'm sure you'll get different settings to try

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kormoc:

you should also look up flow player and wii and see if the player we use is compatible or not

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justinh:

stupid buntu. my frontend's lirc daemon is becoming a bit tricky at bootup time

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Beirdo:

stupid lirc too :)

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justinh:

about 1 in 6 boots lircd runs but refuses a connection

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justinh:

Nov 1 18:54:27 livingroom lircd-0.8.6[1003]: failure connecting to localhost – connection refused? WTF?

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to connect to lirc over the network?

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justinh:

nope

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sphery:

pretty sure something about our code changed after 0.24 such that you will often get that message--like it tries a network connect, fails, then goes to non-network unix socket connection

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sphery:

but if you're on -fixes, you shouldn't be seeing that

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justinh:

hmmm. tried irw when mythfrontend was sitting there & that gave me connection refused too

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sphery:

ah, then that's more than the harmless message I've seen

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justinh:

/var/log/daemon.log:Oct 31 19:18:46 livingroom lircd-0.8.6[998]: accepted new client from 127.0.0.1

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justinh:

hmphh. no idea what's going on there

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jams:

sphery- any hidden option to only do a db schema upgrade and exit?

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jams:

for either setup or backend

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

should be simple enough to add one, preferably to mythtv-setup

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jams:

drats

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wagnerrp:

actually... need to rethink that now that the setup is getting axed

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jams:

was just going to say that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: perhaps schema update should be limited to manual triggering through a services call

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sphery:

I've wanted db upgrade to be manually triggered only for years

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sphery:

but too many devs want to be able to just run mythbackend and have it auto upgrade

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sphery:

why would you need the upgrade and exit, though

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wagnerrp:

installer script of some sort

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jams:

yes

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sphery:

is this to allow a test before trying to start backend or something so you don't get locked in a failure loop?

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jams:

or update script

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sphery:

just realized that I still need another tv-splitter even though the 2250 has a built-in splitter (unless I remove one of my existing hd-3000s from the mix

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jams:

something like that. I just like to perform these kinds of updates outside of an init script

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jams:

and I don't want or need mythbackend running

[20:18:51]

sphery:

yeah, makes sense

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sphery:

could put it into mythutil

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt be difficult to add such a thing to mythutil

[20:19:11]

wagnerrp:

bah

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jams:

that would be great

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sphery:

i'm working on rewriting the schema upgrade wizard, now, though (since it's not mythui-capable)

[20:19:49]

sphery:

would love to just rip out the ui stuff and make it a manual "run mythutil --upgrade-db first" thing

[20:20:07]

sphery:

could even have the backend call that (if we have to keep allowing auto-upgrade)

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wagnerrp:

i would prefer the backend managed the update, and --upgrade-db would connect to the master backend with a services call to trigger it

[20:21:04]

wagnerrp:

have it only perform the update itself if there is no evidence of any backend currently running

[20:21:46]

wagnerrp:

have the backend sitting in some 'disabled' state if it is started with the wrong schema

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sphery:

in which case users get multiple backends of multiple versions connected and make a mess

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sphery:

I like the full command-line, prepare it first approach

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jams:

i would vote for the command-line approach

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jams:

if it's going to be one or the other

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wagnerrp:

so the backend terminates if its the wrong schema?

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sphery:

that's my preference

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sphery:

that way a user can never ever have a problem where the db is automatically upgraded by accident

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wagnerrp:

i suppose that works

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sphery:

regardless of what they do

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sphery:

but, like I said, I'm the extreme minority among (at least vocal) developers

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jams:

hehe someone will still claim it was an accident

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sphery:

your way probably fits better with what, for example, danielk had planned

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wagnerrp:

"i accidentally installed 0.25, and the installer updated my database"

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sphery:

jams: hehe, yeah, "I ran mythutil --upgrade-db --force and it upgraded my database without permission!"

[20:24:47]

sphery:

hehe, yeah, that could happen, too, if installers upgrade

[20:24:59]

sphery:

I know, let's just drop the database and use xml files

[20:25:15]

sphery:

or json data

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wagnerrp:

lets drop xml and json, CSV all the way!

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sphery:

since it's a standard, it will just work

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sphery:

and then 3rd party tools can write out their own json data that will just work

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sphery:

I think you're right, wagnerrp ... Maybe CSV + perl--could probably redo mythtv in about 4K lines of Perl

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wagnerrp:

weve expanded from 2006, 1800 lines doesnt cut it anymore?

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sphery:

ohloh says we have almost 3M lines, so that would be a savings of 2.996M LOC

[20:28:07]

sphery:

ah, yeah, 1731...

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428

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sphery:

MythTV... "Tagged as" ... wavpack?

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sphery:

http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv

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sphery:

themoviedborg?

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wagnerrp:

movied borg?

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sphery:

hehe, ape :)

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: Hey, do you know offhand when mythbuntu auto-builds run in the day?

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sphery:

http://www.ohloh.net/tags/themoviedborg

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sphery:

guess it's themoviedb.org

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justinh:

or the movie d borg

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, around 11–12PM UTC

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: cool, thank you

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sphery:

no clue about ape and wavpack

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, we can also kick off a new build manually if needed

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883: Nah, purely for my own convenience-- rebuilt my MBE a few weeks ago and haven't yet set up a build environment there, so my changes are tending to hit my master the next day

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wagnerrp:

Ybuntu?

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wagnerrp:

myst be a misspelling

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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wagnerrp:

RHEL/CentOS/SL6 are running a 2.6.32 kernel

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wagnerrp:

yet they backported the LIRC 0.9.0 changes?

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wagnerrp:

its a bit surprising something with server intentions as RHEL even bothers with LIRC, much less backports a much newer version

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schevalley:

perhaps they are trying to cater to sysadmins who like to control their servers with tv remotes... :)

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schevalley:

I have a quick mythtv frontend question. I saw a similar question from a while back in the mailling list archives but it didn't really address the question, only gave a workaround. Is there a way to set one set of keys to immediately change the channel when watching live tv and another set of keys to browse channels?

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justinh:

jumppoints, AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

no, he means he wants to change channels directly rather than have the OSD display the information for a different channel

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justinh:

duh I meant keybindings

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wagnerrp:

except he wants independent buttons to do both, so he can choose at his discretion

[21:17:04]

justinh:

I think there's a way & it involves keybindings

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jams:

far as i know the best you can do is toggle browse mode

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schevalley:

that's what I was thinking would the situation. I don't have the browse toggle button mapped on my remote at the moment, but I can probably figure that out

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jams:

but since he wants independent buttons, i don't think that will help

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justinh:

strange request, anyway :)

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justinh:

and er.. wow.. how many keybindings are there now? holy poops

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schevalley:

I prefer browse mode but my wife wants to be able to channel surf using the ch+/- keys

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wagnerrp:

lots upon lots

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wagnerrp:

most of the people around here prefer to record

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justinh:

channel surfing? in mythtv? heh. rather them than me

[21:21:18]

schevalley:

we record some stuff and just watch random tv too. :)

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jams:

schevalley- for that purpose a toggle for browse mode will do. Hoever I think she will get tired of the change channel delay quickly

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jams:

my wife prefers to use the guide for that purpose

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jams:

for that matter so do i

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schevalley:

probably. I'm using a hauppauge dcr-2650 right now and it's only a few seconds to change the channel but I can see that getting annoying. I'm trying to add a second dcr-2650 but verizon has my account screwed up so I can't order the 2nd cablecard.

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schevalley:

I'll try turning off browse mode and let her try it out and go from there.

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wagnerrp:

did you initially expect two tuners to be sufficient?

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering why you didnt go for a Prime from the onset

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schevalley:

no, I just wanted to make sure that the channels I watch were in copy freely mode so I didn't want to spend a lot to test it out.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I initially thought one tuner would be sufficient. I mean it was enough for my VCR, right ;-)

[21:26:27]

wagnerrp:

ah, well reports are that verizon sends nearly everything out copy-freely

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wagnerrp:

and there are generally ways to force your cable box into diagnostic mode, that will print out the protection flags

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schevalley:

I did look but I didn't have the money for the 6 tuner Prime and the 3 tuner prime was $100 more than the hauppauge.

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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schevalley:

I figured for $50 more than the 3 tuner prime I could get 4 tuners using two dcr-2650's. Although if I need more tuners I'll go with a prime due to not trusting USB bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

i just dont trust USB reliability, more than bandwidth

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schevalley:

that too. so far so good, though.

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jams:

the fact one bad device can take out the entire chain

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wagnerrp:

that, plus USB faults have caused me more kernel panics than any other problem i can think of in linux

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schevalley:

that's good to know. If it gets too bad I'll save up and get the 6 tuner prime. Amazon had it for around $430 recently.

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wagnerrp:

admittedly, these problems were several years ago

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wagnerrp:

i know know if ive crashed anything using usb in recent history

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wagnerrp:

s/know know/dont know/

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veehexx:

well, im planning to add a usb DVB-T tuner, so atleast thats something to be aware of.

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schevalley:

I haven't had any issues so far, but it's only one box on it right now. Once I get all 4 tuners going recording some HD I'll be able to tell better.

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veehexx:

im only planning 1 USB tuner, so i doubt bandwidth will be an issue. 1 DVBT, and 2 DVB-S2's are more than enough for me.

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schevalley:

I'm planning on two frontends eventually so I wanted enough tuners so each can watch live tv and have spares for up to two recordings at the same time.

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wagnerrp:

so three recordings

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wagnerrp:

depending on how much you watch on local channels, it may be more worthwhile to pick up a standard HDHR, rather than a DCR or Prime

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wagnerrp:

although a DCR will behave just like a normal HDHR if you dont insert a cablecard

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schevalley:

we don't really watch too much local tv. I'm mostly watchin syfy or food tv, with some science,natgeo, etc mixed in. The wife likes bravo and hgtv. :)

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wagnerrp:

well im just referring to the fact that non-cablecard digital tuners can use multirec

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wagnerrp:

recording multiple shows simultaneously on the same multiplex using a single tuner

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schevalley:

ah

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wagnerrp:

but, youre limited to only those that are unencrypted

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schevalley:

I don't think the prime or the hauppauge supports that, though.

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wagnerrp:

which generally means the locals

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schevalley:

I didn't try it though.

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wagnerrp:

yes, the prime and the other prime (DCR) behave just like a normal HDHR if they have no cablecard

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schevalley:

the setup guide for the Prime says to limit it to one recording per tuner.

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schevalley:

hmm, good to know.

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schevalley:

thanks for the info!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this cbs eye-lerts is interesting

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wagnerrp:

but a bit absurd that they require all that information about you

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sphery:

someone mentioned it a while back on the list

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sphery:

don't remember if he did up a script...

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/296962#296962 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/299465#299465 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/317464#317464

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sphery:

no scripts, it seems

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sphery:

3rd thread has info about how to do it...

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sphery:

most challenging part is likely parsing the data from the email

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styelz:

http://100777.com/myron

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wagnerrp:

uh... huh...

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styelz:

mmhmm

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high-rez:

Is my understanding correct that the hdhomerun prime is a 1 way communications device? It gets entitlement over oob, but never sends anything back?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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iamlindoro:

OCUR *means* one way

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iamlindoro:

U = Unidirectional

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you know if there is any special identifying information sent out in a revert?

[23:10:58]

wagnerrp:

something we could key off of to 'unfix' something in trac

[23:12:21]

sphery:

wow, that never OCURed to me

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sphery:

wonder what the oc and r stand for...

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wagnerrp:

open cable recorder

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

wikipedia isn't much help... wants me to learn about occur

[23:13:17]

sphery:

ah, there it is--in cablecard

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sphery:

well, no words for it... just, "These modified MCards would not allow two-way communication using current OCURs, which, by definition, are unidirectional.

[23:14:22]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't think so, but we should look ;)

[23:14:32]

wagnerrp:

hehe... every single event from github since last december

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wagnerrp:

a 15.7MB JSON file

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sphery:

and for some reason it redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocur (Digital Keystone)

[23:15:10]

Beirdo:

hehe, you looking at the file in /tmp? :)

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wagnerrp:

aye

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Beirdo:

cool

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sphery:

so, what's the status on the move back to our own hardware?

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sphery:

any updates?

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wagnerrp:

bleh

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wagnerrp:

this livepvrdata doesnt actually have any documentation about their interface

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wagnerrp:

and the only data i can find anywhere is a java implementation on google code

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wagnerrp:

so are we to expect that sutula and jbrett are one in the same?

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kisak:

Beirdo: I'd like you to know that http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077 still applies to firewire captured video streams

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Beirdo:

Hmm

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Beirdo:

OK, I think to have any chance of getting that fixed, I'll need a sample that shows the issue

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Beirdo:

I haven't seen it do it ever, so it's gotta be file-dependent

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wagnerrp:

im doubt it has anything to do with firewire in particular

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kisak:

there's HDHR, firewire, and PVR150 captures in my setup, only firewire captured video is affected (which is most content here)

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kisak:

(in my setup)

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** wagnerrp suggests getting a prime **

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Beirdo:

Well, it would be nice to get a sample or two of borked recordings so I can try to hunt down the issue

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kisak:

I'm willing to make files available, but they are HD and large

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Beirdo:

my recordings are HDHR, HVR2250 (digital and analog) and HD-PVR

[23:31:21]

Beirdo:

well, if you can get a shorter chunk of one that always misbehaves, that would do :)

[23:31:44]

Beirdo:

if not, I don't mind large downloads, they just take a long time and keep both our links busy

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wagnerrp:

is it all firewire video? just occasional ones? just ones on certain channels?

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Beirdo:

yeah, fixing the cause would be cool too :)

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wagnerrp:

well... verizon might not be that busy, but an hour long HD recording would tie up my connection for most of a day

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kisak:

it's most if not all

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wagnerrp:

try recording five minutes of some random show, and transcoding that

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wagnerrp:

should only be a couple hundred MB

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wagnerrp:

~600MB or so

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Beirdo:

yeah, if you can find a 100–200MB or whatever chunk that exhibits the behavior, perfect

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Beirdo:

if it requires larger... sigh.

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Shadow__X:

anyone else having issues with BBC-America on comcast by anychance?

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kisak:

oh, I know it's not 100% of shows because one show went through mythtranscode last night

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kisak:

from firewire

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kisak:

if I send the same files through mythtranscode without --mpeg2 I get visual corruption, as well as "GetNextFreeFrame() unable to lock frame 100 times. Discarding Frames." every 2.6 seconds

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Beirdo:

two totally different code paths

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kisak:

I figured

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Beirdo:

but both are potentially pointing at the same glitchiness in the source file, whatever it is

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kisak:

I captured a segment, now running it through my script

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darkstarbyte:

What do I have to do so that mythtv can store videos on my hard drive?

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Beirdo:

umm, read the documentation?

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darkstarbyte:

dang

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darkstarbyte:

I have to go through the mythtv wiki again.

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Beirdo:

or you can try to find someone to read it to ya over IRC :)

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darkstarbyte:

no I am good.

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kisak:

oh? this is curious, my script is being blocked by some smart little bit in mythcommflag

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kisak:

oh, there it goes right after I said that

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kisak:

yes, it deadlocked

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wagnerrp:

darkstarbyte: if you go through the setup utility step by step, that part becomes fairly obvious

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darkstarbyte:

ah

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wagnerrp:

of course earlier bits in the setup utility are aided significantly by reading the documentation

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kisak:

looks like 266MB Beirdo, is that acceptable?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo said he didnt mind... its just how much you're willing to upload

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wagnerrp:

assuming you have somewhere to store something that large

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kisak:

upload is not an issue, I can provide a direct link

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Beirdo:

Sounds good

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wagnerrp:

should probably PM that one

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kisak:

I'd perfer that

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kisak:

wagnerrp: do you need/want a copy?

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know where to start looking into that stuff

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kisak:

ok

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kisak:

I hope this helps, my script detected no cutpoints for what it's worth

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Beirdo:

K, well, I'll see what we can find :)

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kisak:

so mythtranscode failed transcoding with no actual work to do

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Beirdo:

the problem with some of those old bugs is that the people who need to try to fix it don't have the issue :)

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Beirdo:

so getting samples is pretty much the only way around it

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kisak:

the actual command run is "ionice -c 3 mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist -v general --chanid $CHANID --starttime $STARTTIME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp"

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Beirdo:

K. Sounds good

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kisak:

any other secondary info I can provide?

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Beirdo:

not that I can think of at the moment

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wagnerrp:

social security number, credit card number, ...

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