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| [01:38:51] | wagnerrp: | wtf? |
| [01:38:59] | wagnerrp: | hes running version 'trunk head' |
| [01:39:05] | wagnerrp: | but he set the milestone to 0.24.2? |
| [01:39:47] | wagnerrp: | hes demanding we backport a solution to a problem that may very well not exist, to a version that would almost certainly not suffer from the same flaw? |
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| [01:43:20] | zoran119_: | can someone tell me how to edit video metadata in 0.24? |
| [01:43:31] | zoran119_: | i cannot see it anywhere in the menu... |
| [01:43:35] | wagnerrp: | 'i' |
| [01:45:08] | zoran119_: | wagnerrp: awesome! thanks! |
| [01:46:13] | zoran119_: | also, when myth offers metadata suggestions it only shows movies names, not the production year (0.23 did) |
| [01:46:24] | zoran119_: | is this a theme thing or is it a setting somewhere? |
| [01:47:42] | wagnerrp: | i believe its a theme thing... dont quote me on that |
| [01:50:32] | zoran119_: | just tried 3 themes and still no year |
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| [02:04:02] | iamlindoro: | It is a theme thing |
| [02:04:15] | iamlindoro: | most themes aren't maintained actively, so they're getting left behind by new features |
| [02:04:25] | iamlindoro: | current Arclight will show you the year and a whole lot more |
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| [03:04:49] | Oleg_: | so, this channel was created in 2004, two years after the development of mythtv started |
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| [03:19:55] | iamlindoro: | this channel isn't the first channel |
| [03:30:36] | CyberKnet: | It'll be the end of some of us. |
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| [03:45:03] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo? |
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| [03:51:53] | CyberKnet: | Can't wait until more ipv6 uptake. |
| [03:52:02] | CyberKnet: | that sure will be nice. |
| [04:10:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [04:34:06] | CyberKnet: | Hey B |
| [04:34:09] | CyberKnet: | darn it. |
| [04:34:26] | CyberKnet: | note to self: spend less time trolling through amazon looking for comfortable bath robes. |
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| [04:58:02] | [R]: | that was weird... i am switching to ATSC from QAM... and my antenna worked in my tv, but my myth system refused to find anyting... i checked dmesg and my tuner card decided to give up on life... quick reboot fixed it |
| [04:59:40] | noisymouse: | wagnerrp: so I discovered part of the reason for the coredump was a preexisting .mythtv |
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| [05:22:31] | [R]: | wtf, if i pick up 10 i don't get 12, and if i get 12 i don't get 10 |
| [05:22:35] | [R]: | i hate antennas |
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| [06:06:16] | vontrapp: | I'm at a loss, I just did some updates and rebooted my myth computer, and now it claims there aren't any scheduled recordings |
| [06:06:32] | vontrapp: | however, the program schedule is populated and when I go to recording rules there are plenty there as well |
| [06:07:09] | vontrapp: | i went through mythtv-setup and re did or double checked all the inputs and sources and channels... |
| [06:08:00] | vontrapp: | i don't remember what was updated, but nothing drastic and it didn't seem like anything related to mythtv |
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| [06:24:08] | noisymouse: | does anyone know anything about "The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." |
| [06:29:16] | noisymouse: | ok it went away after a backend restart |
| [06:55:17] | vontrapp: | k it was a crashed table recordmatch, if anyone cares to know |
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| [06:57:11] | [R]: | @#$@#%#@% |
| [06:57:13] | [R]: | i'm such an idiot |
| [06:57:17] | [R]: | i thought hte audio wasn't working on my hdpvr |
| [06:57:22] | [R]: | my stupid thing was muted |
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| [08:18:24] | Oleg_: | I can't sleep |
| [08:18:38] | Oleg_: | is anybody here awake? |
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| [10:44:48] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm | |
| [10:48:17] | stuartm: | justinh: (or anyone else who might know) – Are FM/Sat Diplexers/Triplex/Quadplex any good or best avoided? |
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| [10:51:16] | stuartm: | e.g. http://www.screwfix.com/p/labgear-psf410-s-co . . . stid=511759# |
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| [11:03:38] | stuartm: | hmm, it's cheap enough to just try it |
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| [13:02:24] | goibhniu: | Hi, I'm having some trouble trying to find an ir receiver which will work with Linux/MythTV in Ireland (Europe in general) .. there is one MS remote + receiver in ebay .. but that seems to be it ... any tips? |
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| [13:42:03] | stuartm: | goibhniu: we usually recommend the MCE remote kit, they've changed the remote which is a shame because the old one was much better, but those USB IR receivers will work just fine in linux |
| [13:42:10] | stuartm: | there are lots of those on ebay |
| [13:42:49] | goibhniu: | thanks stuartm, does it matter if it's a clone of the MS/Philips one? |
| [13:43:03] | ** goibhniu can only seem to find one "genuine" one on ebay uk ** | |
| [13:43:36] | stuartm: | goibhniu: no, if they advertise as an MCE remote they will use the same protocol |
| [13:43:48] | goibhniu: | excellent, thanks! |
| [13:44:08] | goibhniu: | ah .. I would also like to use the receiver with other remotes |
| [13:44:19] | goibhniu: | some amazon reviews of MCE remotes say they can't do that |
| [13:44:28] | goibhniu: | that confuses me |
| [13:44:31] | stuartm: | or, I should have said, "they _should_ use the same protocol" – there will always be an exception to the rule :) |
| [13:44:40] | stuartm: | goibhniu: it's not true |
| [13:45:01] | goibhniu: | excellent, thanks a lot! |
| [13:56:36] | stuartm: | goibhniu: the reviews might be refering specifically to windows where applications will be expecting MCE remote codes, but with linux/lirc you can 'learn' the buttons for any remote |
| [13:57:17] | stuartm: | the only requirement is that the remote is IR and that it uses a standard protocol (which the vast majority do) |
| [13:58:08] | goibhniu: | amazingly some even mention linux .. perhaps they don't realise that you can configure them e.g. |
| [13:58:15] | goibhniu: | "Be warned that this device simulates a keyboard rather being a true Microsoft MCE remote clone. If you are thinking of buying this for the receiver to use with a Logitech Harmony One and/or with MythTV then this is probably not the best choice. I was initially puzzled when it worked straight away when plugged it in to my Linux box without the lirc modules!" |
| [13:58:41] | goibhniu: | but I will believe you over some random comment on amazon :) |
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| [14:05:12] | stuartm: | goibhniu: well as I say, there can be exceptions, I can't vouch for every clone in existence |
| [14:05:19] | goibhniu: | the receivers also seem to get varying reviews .. I think I'll go for a Speedlink SL-6399 .. it gets good reviews |
| [14:05:49] | goibhniu: | for sure .. thanks for your help |
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| [15:52:05] | Oleg_: | hi |
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| [16:32:56] | Guest25446: | Looking for help with analog tuning under 0.24.1 |
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| [16:42:13] | trumee: | I am trying to add a rss feed to mythnetvision but it isnt appearing in my list |
| [16:42:51] | trumee: | There is no file created in ~/.mythtv/MythNetvision |
| [16:43:08] | trumee: | anybody has any idea what could be going wrong? |
| [16:43:20] | trumee: | The rss feed is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/users/Arna . . . erby=updated |
| [16:46:19] | trumee: | I used 'Manage RSS Subscriptions>NEW' to add the RSS feed |
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| [16:46:46] | trumee: | wagnerrp: any idea? |
| [16:47:57] | trumee: | The inbuilt sites (ie youtube/Rev3) using sitemap work fine |
| [16:50:13] | trumee: | ah! Atom feeds not supported :(, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/439225 |
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| [17:03:25] | trumee: | nope, doesnt work with even feedburner |
| [17:03:34] | trumee: | I tried http://feeds.feedburner.com/UploadsByArnavkhushi7?format=rss |
| [17:04:24] | trumee: | anybody successfull with MythNetVision? |
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| [17:05:29] | beadle: | trumee: is MythNetVision for Netflix? |
| [17:05:45] | trumee: | beadle: dont know about Netflix |
| [17:05:52] | beadle: | k |
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| [17:17:10] | sphery: | Cable companies must be /much/ more generous these days than they were >10yrs ago when I had cable. Seems--based on all the people worried about it--that they add new channels to peoples' subscriptions all the time and /without/ charging more for them. |
| [17:18:18] | sphery: | Beirdo: No possible way to do Netflix on GNU/Linux (except with unobtainable software on embedded devices, like Roku) because it uses Microsoft Silverlight, including Silverlight DRM, for which there is no (and can never be any) FOSS implementation. |
| [17:18:28] | sphery: | er, beadle ^^^ |
| [17:18:47] | sphery: | who's gone, which is why I pinged the wrong person... sorry, Bei rdo |
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| [17:48:55] | sphery: | alla: if you're running with your mysql data on an ext4 file system, that's likely causing MySQL to work so slowly that you give up on letting it finish the upgrade before it can complete. You should restore the pre-any-upgrade-attempts database backup ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) , and then fix your mysql configuration ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493259#493259 ), then let it upgrade ... |
| [17:49:02] | sphery: | ... with mythtv-setup (preferred) or mythbackend (but let it actually finish) |
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| [18:03:08] | trumee: | sphery: any idea about mythnetvision rss support? |
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| [18:06:39] | sphery: | thought you found out that it was due to lack of support for Atom |
| [18:07:03] | alec: | Hi, is there a way of banning programs from my mythtv guide or search? I want to look at upcoming tv programs but banish shows I never want to watch. Like big brother ha |
| [18:07:34] | sphery: | so they're not shown in the guide or so they're not recorded? |
| [18:08:10] | alec: | so they;'re not shown in the guide, not sure if its possible but it'd be a great addtion |
| [18:08:14] | sphery: | if you mean not shown in the guide, the only approach to do that is to edit the xml listings data before it's inserted into your database |
| [18:08:59] | alec: | hmm, at watch stage would I do that? I'm okie with writing sql and scripts etc |
| [18:09:43] | sphery: | i.e. use xmltv tools to get the file (use --dd-file (or whatever it is) with tv_grab_na_dd for schedules direct data), then edit the XML to remove the offending entries/replace them with "Removed" or whatever, then use mythfilldatabase --file or --dd-file to load the data |
| [18:10:20] | sphery: | you shouldn't be using any SQL to do this, too |
| [18:10:36] | sphery: | just script (including, for example, sed or perl to edit the XML data) |
| [18:11:39] | [R]: | alec: and so you'd rather just have a huge hole in your guide than have a few words you don't care about? |
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| [18:12:26] | plut0: | anyone use usb-uirt? |
| [18:12:37] | sphery: | put the word "REDACTED" in place, and it will look like a confidential guide listing |
| [18:12:37] | trumee: | sphery: is there any way to convert atom to rss feed on the fly? |
| [18:12:55] | sphery: | trumee: in that thread you quoted, someone mentioned feedburner |
| [18:13:04] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [18:13:24] | sphery: | where you'd basically set up your own feed that's mirroring the real feed |
| [18:13:25] | trumee: | sphery: yes, but i could get feedburner to give me a rss2 format |
| [18:13:34] | [R]: | sphery: well wouldn't removing eh entry completly just make it say "NO GUIDE DATA" or wahtever it is it says? |
| [18:13:39] | trumee: | s/could/couldnt/ |
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| [18:14:03] | sphery: | [R]: yeah, so it will either be a hole, like you said, or some replacement word |
| [18:16:02] | sphery: | trumee: not sure how to do it... I only go from RSS to e-mail (I hate RSS readers) |
| [18:16:36] | sphery: | and I don't do video RSS stuff, so didn't have a need for RSS for MNV |
| [18:17:21] | trumee: | sphery: ok, got it to work with feedburner |
| [18:17:57] | trumee: | sphery: unfortunately, the whole youtube webpage loads up rather than just the videos. |
| [18:18:58] | sphery: | yeah, the feed is likely giving the youtube webpage address |
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| [18:20:34] | trumee: | sphery: wonder how the inbuilt youtube script works then. Is there any way i can get videos from a particular user? |
| [18:21:08] | sphery: | not sure |
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| [18:24:22] | JesterMobile: | Hey guys.. I'm @ the tigerdirect store and am looking to buy a firewire cable to tune my cablebox.. does that require a 6 pin or 9 pin?? |
| [18:24:37] | [R]: | how do we know what your cablebox has? |
| [18:26:04] | JesterMobile: | the documentation I read a while back didn't say it differed.. it just said one of the two and it didn't mention any variation among manufacturers |
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| [18:26:23] | [R]: | you get the cable that plugs into your box |
| [18:26:26] | [R]: | its not rocket science |
| [18:26:29] | JesterMobile: | I have twc and have a black samsung box |
| [18:26:44] | alec: | hey [R], my reasoning for removing offending programs is it makes it easier to browse for programs I want to watch |
| [18:26:55] | JesterMobile: | No shit lol but I don't know if its 6 or 9 pin |
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| [18:27:09] | [R]: | alec: right... well, have fun |
| [18:29:07] | plut0: | anyone use USB-UIRT? |
| [18:29:59] | sphery: | alla: may also want to look into search tools, like Program Finder in mythfrontend as well as search in mythweb |
| [18:30:03] | sphery: | er, alec ^^^ |
| [18:30:39] | sphery: | alec: or things like using an inactive "First Episodes" rule to find new shows and such |
| [18:32:24] | sphery: | alec: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/188789#188789 |
| [18:32:27] | alec: | Ive looked at the search but it still shows programs I'd rather ignore, mythweb is good though, i'll try the search again |
| [18:35:05] | alec: | whats your process of finding shows to watch or record do you just search for what you want every two weeks? or do you set up recording rules |
| [18:35:33] | [R]: | rules... thats kind of the point |
| [18:35:45] | [R]: | do you seirously go every 2 weeks and find the shows you watch every week and tell it to record once? |
| [18:36:46] | alec: | no no, but what about documentaries for example. or movies |
| [18:37:13] | alec: | shows are so important as I'm in the uk and we have rubbish tv shows, plus they are a year later than the us counterparts |
| [18:37:24] | ** [R] is lost ** | |
| [18:37:42] | [R]: | what odes "or do you set up recording rules" have to do with antyhing |
| [18:37:58] | [R]: | and dont you have like 10 channels in the uk? |
| [18:38:12] | alec: | we have about 15–20 channels |
| [18:38:34] | [R]: | i've got like 100 |
| [18:38:37] | [R]: | what are you complaining about |
| [18:39:22] | alec: | I'm not complaining, just looking around for useful enhancements to mythtv, i've got mythplugins and mythweb, just wonder if i'm missing anything |
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| [18:41:30] | \PiLgRiM\: | anyone here ? |
| [18:41:39] | alec: | yes |
| [18:41:57] | \PiLgRiM\: | can you help me with some lineup/HDHR Prime issues? |
| [18:43:10] | [R]: | how is anyone going to know if they can help you with <insert random vague thing> before you tell us what the problem is? |
| [18:43:19] | \PiLgRiM\: | ok |
| [18:43:46] | sphery: | alec: I use an inactive first-episodes rule to find any new series and then set my system to record all new series (except reality tv) |
| [18:43:47] | \PiLgRiM\: | i'm trying to properly add a lineup to the three tuners |
| [18:44:07] | \PiLgRiM\: | and it doesnt seem to want to populate the channels table |
| [18:44:14] | alec: | hmm thanks sphery I appreciate the info |
| [18:44:14] | \PiLgRiM\: | i already have two other working lineups |
| [18:44:37] | sphery: | alec: so, around the beginning, middle, and summer season, I check the upcoming recordings screen every 2 weeks to find the new series and set a record all on any channel rule for them |
| [18:45:06] | sphery: | at this point, I'm still checking upcoming recordings for the beginning of the season, but haven't seen a new show in a while |
| [18:45:54] | sphery: | alec: and, fwiw, I then delete shows without watching if they're cancelled early or if people say they're not worth watching... Generally, I don't watch any show until after the season completes--so I have quite a backlog of recordings |
| [18:46:10] | sphery: | (about 1700 recordings right now--and I watch and delete; I don't archive anything) |
| [18:46:31] | [R]: | hit it and quit it |
| [18:46:44] | alec: | ha, thats a good idea, dont want another firefly :P |
| [18:46:49] | sphery: | \PiLgRiM\: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [18:47:34] | sphery: | \PiLgRiM\: note that you need a different MythTV Video Source for the HDHR Prime than for, say, a PVR-150, if the channels available on their respective inputs differ |
| [18:47:58] | alec: | what does transcoding do? I keep seeing it in the options but i currently dont bother. is it just for space saving? |
| [18:48:06] | sphery: | alec: hehe, Firefly is one I would have watched, anyway... Just like I'm watching Terra Nova even though I know it will be cancelled early |
| [18:48:33] | alec: | Yea I loved firefly too, Not heard of terra nova |
| [18:48:36] | sphery: | alec: when HDDs were expensive, transcoding was an approach for trading the cost of electricity against the cost of storage space |
| [18:49:03] | alec: | gotcha, okie excellent thanks for the info, i'll ignore it for now |
| [18:49:21] | sphery: | alec: now, with cheap HDDs, transcoding makes no sense at all--with the exception of allowing playback on "constrained" devices (i.e. some android phone that can't handle full-resolution/full-bitrate hdtv recordings in MPEG-2 or whatever) |
| [18:49:43] | sphery: | alec: so, now, you use it to allow you to watch TV on your 2.5" screen instead of your 40" TV screen |
| [18:49:55] | alec: | yup, space isnt an issue, and playing on phones isnt of interest |
| [18:49:59] | [R]: | just what i've always wanted! |
| [18:50:21] | sphery: | alec: exactly... I agree completely, so I don't do any transcoding, either |
| [18:52:21] | sphery: | I'd much rather watch a full-quality, full-bitrate recording on my laptop's 1680x1050 (because stupid vendors didn't offer 1920x1200 with the specs I needed :( ) 15.6" screen than some low-resolution/low-quality transcode on a tiny phone screen |
| [18:52:39] | sphery: | and since I can easily just copy recordings to the laptop's HDD before a trip... |
| [18:53:35] | alec: | hmm okie here's a usecase for you about my searching problem. Is it possible to search only a set of channels. I have some channels I dont want to search but are useful to have such as radio and music channels. Anyway to search only some of the channels I select (using mythweb atm) |
| [18:55:38] | sphery: | In MythWeb, click on (Advanced) next to the Search button, and you can create an advanced search with multiple "channel number matches" or "channel callsign matches" type searches |
| [18:57:25] | alec: | ooooo thats awesome thanks sphery |
| [18:57:40] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [18:58:02] | Oleg_: | so, mythtv-0.25 has been in development for like a year, so when will it be released? |
| [18:58:05] | sphery: | (click "add string..." to add additional channels |
| [18:58:17] | sphery: | Oleg_: "When it's ready." :) |
| [18:58:46] | alec: | any way to save the search by any chance? or not a feature yet? |
| [18:58:59] | sphery: | no saving, but that page will remain about the way you left it |
| [18:59:13] | alec: | that is fantastic, thank you!! |
| [18:59:26] | sphery: | so if it's just one search you want to repeat, it will likely be there, again, later |
| [18:59:31] | sphery: | (assuming same session) |
| [18:59:39] | sphery: | where session is currently determined by login |
| [18:59:53] | sphery: | (assuming you've properly set up authentication for mythweb) |
| [19:02:23] | trumee: | sphery: i was hoping to modify /usr/share/mythtv/internetcontent/nv_python_libs/youtube/youtube_api.py for user videos but didnt go very far :( |
| [19:04:11] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [19:04:51] | sphery: | for some reason youtube vids aren't working on my mnv... just get a rectangle where the video would be with a horizontal line centered vertically and taking up 2/3 of the width |
| [19:05:36] | sphery: | same videos work fine in mythbrowser using the page... I haven't narrowed it down, but have a feeling it's something that the script does that the page doesn't (like scaling or something) combined with the Adobe Trash implementation |
| [19:07:09] | trumee: | sphery: i am surprised nobody has looked into this yet |
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| [19:10:40] | sphery: | are you saying you get the same result? |
| [19:10:52] | sphery: | I was under the impression it wasn't happening for most users |
| [19:11:30] | sphery: | (as a matter of fact, my systems are the only ones I know of where it happens) |
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| [19:13:07] | trumee: | sphery: I have to study the code more carefully. atm it is not spitting out the user videos for me with my changes |
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| [19:14:52] | trumee: | sphery: i want to get the videos from http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/users/ArnavKhushi7/uploads |
| [19:18:04] | Oleg_: | how can I watch videos in mythtv with srt subtitles? |
| [19:19:56] | Oleg_: | can someone tell me please? |
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| [19:21:34] | sphery: | Oleg_: they're not supported in any released version (and I don't think they're supported in unstable, either) |
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| [19:22:54] | sphery: | we haven't payed a lot of attention to them because a) you can re-rip your DVDs with bitmapped subtitles (or as an ISO) and you don't have srts or b) for those who didn't rip the DVD themselves, there's probably copyright infringement going on and we have no interest in supporting that |
| [19:23:31] | sphery: | (seems srts are used a lot by people who post illegal copies of videos online or by people who download copies of subtitles--both of which fall afould of, at least, US copyright laws) |
| [19:23:33] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [19:23:57] | sphery: | so the recommended solution is to re-rip your DVDs or BluRays and not use SRT subtitles |
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| [19:29:48] | sphery: | Oleg_: ok, seems it might actually work... not sure |
| [19:30:19] | sphery: | only thing I know is that the filename of the srt file has to be (exactly) the same as the filename of the video, but with srt extension |
| [19:30:27] | sphery: | and it may be that srt only works when in mkv |
| [19:30:33] | sphery: | or may only work when not in mkv |
| [19:30:56] | sphery: | or something |
| [19:31:05] | sphery: | someone else would know better |
| [19:31:37] | sphery: | still, re-ripping with image-based subs is best--why waste time OCR'ing image-based subs when you can use them directly (it's not like it takes that much more space than plain text) |
| [19:38:07] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [19:43:21] | [R]: | sphery: there needs to be a way to make the frontend gracefully close its connection to the backend while keeping it running |
| [19:43:37] | [R]: | and then make it reconnect when desired |
| [19:44:37] | muhmuh: | Hi |
| [19:44:50] | muhmuh: | is there a date for the feature freeze? |
| [19:45:00] | [R]: | when its ready |
| [19:45:36] | sphery: | muhmuh: not yet... when a date is chosen, it will be announce |
| [19:45:52] | muhmuh: | ok thx ;) |
| [19:45:58] | sphery: | [R]: what for? just to prevent your (or a script's) having to close and re-open it |
| [19:46:01] | muhmuh: | are we talking about days or month? |
| [19:46:09] | sphery: | could be either, really |
| [19:46:21] | muhmuh: | months |
| [19:46:46] | sphery: | I really don't have a strong preference either way, but some devs want to freeze soon and others want to ensure we finish up some useful improvements first |
| [19:46:46] | [R]: | sphery: so when i suspend my frontend box, i need to make the frontend program close its connection to the backend, so it knwos its idle, im doing that now by telling mythfrontend to exit, but then i have to deal with it starting again after suspend |
| [19:47:09] | [R]: | sphery: i'd rather not have to restasrt the frontend |
| [19:47:09] | sphery: | yeah, that's pretty much the only way at this point |
| [19:47:24] | sphery: | but in theory it shouldn't be a problem--just script it |
| [19:47:26] | muhmuh: | ok thx sphery |
| [19:47:33] | [R]: | script what? |
| [19:47:40] | sphery: | the frontend shutdown/restart |
| [19:47:46] | [R]: | yeah, its all setup and working now |
| [19:47:53] | [R]: | i just want to elimate the step that quits the frontend |
| [19:48:40] | sphery: | well, it could be done... I just think there are far more important things to concentrate on, first |
| [19:48:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:48:54] | [R]: | if i finish the --jumppoint thing, i suppose it doesn't matter |
| [19:49:09] | sphery: | I mean considering there are many kernel modules that require unloading and re-loading before/after a suspend, having to restart an app shouldn't be a big deal |
| [19:49:22] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you want to start at a specific location |
| [19:49:25] | sphery: | forgot that part |
| [19:49:33] | [R]: | actually, i have no suspend hook scripts going |
| [19:49:34] | sphery: | but, yeah, --jumppoint would work around that |
| [19:49:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:49:38] | [R]: | so i just 100% suspend w/o doing anything extra |
| [19:49:50] | [R]: | full X and nvidia prop driver |
| [19:50:19] | sphery: | yeah, most of the drivers I've seen that misbehave after suspend are network ones |
| [19:50:25] | sphery: | (lots of wifi ones, especially) |
| [19:50:48] | [R]: | i just got totally lucky and everyhting comes back perfectly |
| [19:51:01] | [R]: | anyway, the problem with the --jumppoint thing is for certain jumppoints, it causes a segfault |
| [19:51:13] | [R]: | but, its mostly for jumpppoints no sane person would use anyway |
| [19:51:15] | [R]: | so i don't know |
| [19:51:23] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:51:37] | [R]: | the important things like recording list and livetv work |
| [19:51:38] | sphery: | well, if you can post the code and a bt, others could help diagnose it |
| [19:51:55] | [R]: | can i submit a ticket with a patch and be like "this sort of works, but crashes occationally" |
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| [19:51:56] | [R]: | ? |
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| [19:52:35] | sphery: | I don't mind it... Or to make sure you don't ruffle anyone's feathers, you could just post to -dev list |
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| [19:52:48] | sphery: | I can help take a look at it maybe next week |
| [19:53:01] | [R]: | ok, i guss i'll format the patch up and send it out |
| [19:53:05] | sphery: | (have to finish some work stuff before really doing mythtv stuff) |
| [19:59:28] | [R]: | sphery: what is ettiquite on the ml? can i put attachments? |
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| [20:07:19] | sphery: | [R]: yeah, text-based attachments are fine (so, like patches and backtraces) |
| [20:07:44] | sphery: | ideally you'd link to image or html or whatever |
| [20:09:11] | flounder: | i've been trying to get the asx stream to work from mythweb and i get stuck on the authentication. i have basic authentication for the web interface and that user/password is not accepted, and neither are my regular user account credentials. where can i look for the authentication file? i'm perplexed. i am able to download a file file with the "download" option. |
| [20:09:37] | ** [R] twiddles thumbs while it compiles ** | |
| [20:10:24] | [R]: | this one RF engineer at my work says software engineers always say they are "compiling somethign" and make their screen look busy but they really aren't doing anthying |
| [20:10:25] | [R]: | lol |
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| [20:13:41] | sphery: | flounder: most clients (like vlc or whatever player your system is trying to use) do not support authentication for asx streams |
| [20:13:49] | sphery: | flounder: see the MythWeb README |
| [20:14:21] | sphery: | "Q: I'm trying to stream audio/video, but it's not working" |
| [20:14:29] | flounder: | this is just crappy old windows media player |
| [20:14:44] | flounder: | sphery: thanks, i'll check that out |
| [20:14:45] | sphery: | probably included in the "many media players simply will not play files from a secure connection" |
| [20:16:26] | sphery: | trumee: just noticed I have 2 youtube_api.py scripts on my system--an old one from before it got moved and a newer one... wonder if that's why youtube isn't working properly |
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| [20:18:37] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
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| [20:19:02] | Hilikus: | if i have a blueray drive, can i use it in mythtv to play BR discs? |
| [20:19:18] | [R]: | the wiki explains it all |
| [20:21:27] | flounder: | sphery: just tried vlc player and it worked fine. :) |
| [20:21:46] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:22:00] | sphery: | that must be relatively new functionality for it--it used to not work with auth |
| [20:22:21] | flounder: | i just have basic authentication |
| [20:22:32] | flounder: | maybe that's it |
| [20:22:51] | sphery: | it used to not even do basic |
| [20:27:40] | flounder: | thanks again... off to the races! |
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| [20:29:00] | Hilikus: | so if i understand correctly, bluray playback works depending on the encryption of on the disk? i.e. it's not a 100% sure something you rent will play? |
| [20:29:36] | [R]: | what does the wiki say? |
| [20:29:53] | sphery: | sounds about right--assuming you install some decryption library that's not provided by mythtv |
| [20:30:10] | sphery: | but, AIUI, most of today's discs have unpublished keys? |
| [20:32:06] | Hilikus: | are there any real stats on random disks how many of them work? are we talking about 10% or 80%? |
| [20:34:27] | sphery: | AIUI, the best option is to get a commercial software product that's designed for ripping bluray discs (and whose developers are constantly updating the available keys and such) and rip it to a decrypted format |
| [20:34:33] | sphery: | then you can play it on mythtv or anywhere else |
| [20:34:43] | sphery: | assuming all of that is legal where you live and all |
| [20:36:32] | [R]: | we're never gonna have bluray at the same level of dvd are we? |
| [20:36:35] | ** [R] gets a sad face ** | |
| [20:37:19] | sphery: | that was the whole idea behind bluray (and hddvd) |
| [20:37:31] | [R]: | to not let people play their discs? |
| [20:37:37] | sphery: | of course |
| [20:38:12] | sphery: | after all, it only stops us--the people who purchase the discs and attempt to use them lawfully--not the hardcore pirates who rip them and repro and sell them |
| [20:38:38] | sphery: | you're only suppose to be able to play them on stb's that the bluray people approve of |
| [20:39:01] | sphery: | and if you want more, you need to buy an Ultraviolet copy (and then use an Ultraviolet-approved app/device) |
| [20:40:04] | sphery: | 'buy once, play anywhere' (where "anywhere" means any player that supports Ultraviolet DRM/is approved by the DECE) |
| [20:40:30] | trumee: | sphery: youtube is working fine for me. |
| [20:40:46] | sphery: | trumee: cool--I have a feeling my system is just using an old script |
| [20:40:49] | sphery: | will play with it later |
| [20:41:14] | trumee: | sphery: its just i cant find a way to list a particular users video |
| [20:41:35] | sphery: | yeah, that would likely require a different (or at least much expanded) script |
| [20:42:05] | sphery: | probably want to talk to iaml indoro or RDV for best info |
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| [20:44:56] | [R]: | sphery: my mythfrontend is segfaulting on exit, i thought that was fixed? |
| [20:45:13] | sphery: | not sure... I've gotten behind on commits and such |
| [20:45:18] | sphery: | thought I remembered someone fixing that |
| [20:45:56] | Hilikus: | got it |
| [20:45:57] | Hilikus: | thanks guys |
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| [20:46:26] | Hilikus: | sucks that linux is not even an afterthought |
| [20:46:39] | trumee: | sphery: this looks useful, http://tv-true.org/how-to/youtube-leanback-for-mythtv.html |
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| [20:49:16] | [R]: | sphery: do you know why there is no timeline on the myth trac? |
| [20:52:08] | sphery: | it was disabled because it required reading the entire repo each time due to a terrible implementation of git integration in trac |
| [20:52:20] | sphery: | it would take down the whole trac/apache/... |
| [20:52:46] | sphery: | basically because we "upgraded" from svn to git, now many of our tools don't work well |
| [20:52:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:53:25] | sphery: | but, hey, it must have been good because many users congratulated us on our decision to move to git and join the ranks of real projects doing real development |
| [20:54:17] | sphery: | (For me, there is absolutely no benefit to using git over svn or svn over git... However, for the tools we use, there are serious problems with git--and also github--usage.) |
| [20:54:37] | sphery: | of course, we didn't know of these problems until it was too late |
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| [21:09:18] | [R]: | sphery: lol... it looks like the one reason i wanted --jumppoint makes it segfault |
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| [21:49:42] | sphery: | [R]: can you do a backtrace for 10134, please? thanks |
| [21:50:04] | [R]: | i did... |
| [21:50:31] | [R]: | the instructions clearly said to attach everyhting |
| [21:50:33] | [R]: | so i did that |
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| [21:51:47] | sphery: | ah, sorry... I just saw the --version output and didn't notice the (very short) backtrace at bottom |
| [21:52:03] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [21:52:04] | ** [R] giggles ** | |
| [21:52:52] | sphery: | normally for the backtrace, we prefer you include everything output by gdb (and do a thread apply all bt full --which you may have done if there was only the one thread?) |
| [21:53:09] | sphery: | sometimes what happens in the other threads is actually important, too |
| [21:53:31] | [R]: | i had the gdbcommands file linked from the instructions |
| [21:53:32] | sphery: | for example, in this case, it could help indicate which event is being received/processed on shutdown |
| [21:54:18] | [R]: | lemme try it again |
| [21:54:37] | [R]: | oh hrm, thats more |
| [21:54:39] | sphery: | it may have shown everything, but you maybe just copied the last part? |
| [21:54:40] | [R]: | lemme attach that |
| [21:54:43] | sphery: | or not :) |
| [21:54:48] | sphery: | anyway, thanks for the report and bt |
| [21:54:58] | [R]: | thats a metric assload |
| [21:55:01] | [R]: | bt full, hrm |
| [21:55:17] | [R]: | it doesnt seme to be reading my gdbcommands files |
| [21:55:53] | sphery: | you're using -x to start gdb? |
| [21:56:12] | sphery: | like: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Executin . . . on_under_gdb |
| [21:56:38] | [R]: | i was reading... |
| [21:57:00] | [R]: | oh lol |
| [21:57:02] | [R]: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [21:57:05] | [R]: | it does say to use -x |
| [21:57:06] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:57:31] | sphery: | yeah, we need to switch to the new wiki howto and get it integrated with the alternate wiki howto |
| [21:58:06] | sphery: | and use the better/more-in-depth pages, such as the full debugging page, rather than the short bits in the official howto |
| [21:58:48] | [R]: | damn, theres a crapton of threads |
| [21:59:07] | sphery: | yeah, mythtv is a yarn |
| [21:59:46] | [R]: | i really hate threads |
| [22:01:34] | [R]: | ok, i added the full backtrace |
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| [22:36:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery, Oleg_: SRT are the old, basic timestamped text, that mythtv has always (in my recollection) supported |
| [22:36:26] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 added support for SRTs embedded inside mkv |
| [22:36:40] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you were thinking of the more complex, styled ASS format |
| [22:37:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: there are some tools that capture the closed caption feed out of DVDs and turn it into an SRT file, with no need for OCR |
| [22:37:42] | wagnerrp: | but then that is a completely different beast than what you would expect to get from subtitles |
| [22:38:35] | wagnerrp: | [R]: actually... stuartm is working on just such a thing, as a mechanism to remove the need for mythwelcome (have the frontend drop to a non-blocking connection mode) |
| [22:39:19] | wagnerrp: | its trivial enough on the connection, it just depends on how you announce the connection, and then further control is made with an additional two commands for blocking and unblocking |
| [22:39:57] | wagnerrp: | but AFAIK, he actually wants a separate screen from the main menu to make it explicitly known it is detached from the backend, similar to how the existing mythwelcome behaves |
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| [22:40:34] | [R]: | hrm |
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| [22:41:18] | [R]: | that would be fine, because i could jump to the correct screen after resume with the network port |
| [22:42:25] | wagnerrp: | more like... you would jump to the correct screen prior to standby |
| [22:43:13] | [R]: | i guess it depends on how the connection is dropped and reestablished |
| [22:43:35] | wagnerrp: | in theory, it should work fine |
| [22:43:48] | wagnerrp: | the connection will go stale, and the server will eventually drop it from the list |
| [22:44:02] | [R]: | i'm not a fan of "eventually" |
| [22:44:06] | [R]: | i had that working with keepalive |
| [22:44:19] | wagnerrp: | but there is not nearly the amount of communication between the server and other parts of the code as i would like |
| [22:44:35] | wagnerrp: | eventually, meaning the standard TCP timeout windwo |
| [22:44:58] | wagnerrp: | TCP will report a timeout, and the Qt socket code will inform mythtv of the closed connection |
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| [22:52:59] | wagnerrp: | WTF... 'mikepolniak@buffalo.com ' created a mailing list account just to advertise his new vizio tablet |
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| [22:57:39] | [R]: | ../../libs/libmythbase/autodeletedeque.h:43:46: error: there are no arguments to ‘printf’ that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of ‘printf’ must be available [-fpermissive] |
| [22:57:43] | [R]: | does that mean i don't have stdio.h? |
| [22:59:08] | [R]: | aparently so |
| [22:59:11] | [R]: | it could have just said that... |
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| [23:09:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, I thought we were only just starting to get support for any kind of text-based external subtitle files |
| [23:09:27] | sphery: | didn't realize we had it before |
| [23:09:57] | wagnerrp: | no, weve supported a <filename>.srt along side <filename>.avi/mkv/mp4/mpg/... as long as i remember |
| [23:09:59] | sphery: | which makes me wonder about all the arguments about just rip it with dvd's image-based subs instead of ocr'ing |
| [23:10:21] | wagnerrp: | they were arguments about "why dont you support embedded mkv subs" |
| [23:10:33] | wagnerrp: | when in fact, we did support embedded mkv image subs |
| [23:10:46] | wagnerrp: | we just didnt support srt or ass text subs |
| [23:11:25] | wagnerrp: | and for 95% of users performing their own DVD rips, image subs are the better option |
| [23:11:51] | sphery: | ahh |
| [23:11:52] | wagnerrp: | there is some logic for using text subs, when the author sucks and put in a crummy subtitle font/color |
| [23:12:14] | sphery: | not worth the time to ocr, imho |
| [23:12:37] | sphery: | unless you're being paid to fix the author's mistakes |
| [23:12:56] | wagnerrp: | however, most of the users clamoring for text subs are because thats what they got when they illegally downloaded it online |
| [23:13:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well whether youre being paid to or not, if you want to /watch/ it... |
| [23:13:36] | wagnerrp: | ... theres the potential for coming across a dvd with some garbage font |
| [23:13:42] | sphery: | yeah, but if you want to watch it, your brain can likely figure it out |
| [23:13:43] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:14:48] | sphery: | if you watch it daily, though, I could see the desire to fix the ugly font... though I'd guess most people would be better off getting some new content to watch :) |
| [23:15:03] | wagnerrp: | perhaps your brain doesnt want to have to process some lame medieval font that came with your vampire movie |
| [23:15:30] | wagnerrp: | id like to OCR anything that uses crosses instead of 't's |
| [23:15:33] | [R]: | then you shouldn't be watching a vampire movie! |
| [23:15:42] | sphery: | but it likely will have to, anyway, when you're trying to correct all the errors/omissions from the OCR'ing |
| [23:16:07] | sphery: | so you basically read your movie, once, then watch it--and lose all suprise |
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| [23:16:45] | [R]: | or, you watch it once, fix the words, then watch it again |
| [23:16:50] | [R]: | then you are like "oh, now i get it" |
| [23:17:12] | wagnerrp: | i may be willing to believe at movie that would use such fonts would not have any re-watch value |
| [23:17:17] | wagnerrp: | s/at/that/ |
| [23:17:40] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:17:45] | [R]: | then maybe it doesnt have a watch value to begin with? |
| [23:23:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: why is dblogging on by default? |
| [23:23:36] | sphery: | because it (will be) a simple way to view short-term logging information from any host |
| [23:23:50] | sphery: | once I put that log viewer service patch in |
| [23:24:01] | sphery: | and there's basically no downside to it |
| [23:24:12] | wagnerrp: | other than potentially high mysql load |
| [23:24:29] | sphery: | load won't be high with default logging options |
| [23:24:49] | sphery: | if you're using non-default logging options, you're using non-default logging options, so you should be able to do a --nodblog |
| [23:24:56] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [23:25:16] | wagnerrp: | but there are some logging lines that should be removed from the default levels |
| [23:25:24] | sphery: | agreed |
| [23:25:57] | wagnerrp: | ugh... an admin's work is never over |
| [23:26:12] | sphery: | so, Illinois House of reps just passed a bill making it legal for motorists to pick up and "dispose of" roadkill... guess times are really tough in IL when you resort to eating roadkill |
| [23:26:34] | [R]: | lol |
| [23:26:41] | [R]: | "dipose" of it in their stomach? |
| [23:26:51] | wagnerrp: | on the 23.x address range... only seen him spam on that twice before |
| [23:26:51] | sphery: | yeah, it seems |
| [23:27:32] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea where hes getting all these email domains from though |
| [23:30:21] | wagnerrp: | anyone play bioshock 2? |
| [23:30:50] | wagnerrp: | from reviews, it seemed like it was just more of bioshock 1 |
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| [23:32:20] | sphery: | hehe, I still haven't finished 1, yet, so sounds like finishing that will be sufficient replacement for playing 2 |
| [23:32:41] | wagnerrp: | well i just saw it on steam for $5 |
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| [23:50:18] | sphery: | why do future-tech computer screens always show video with black lines through it? |
| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | black lines? |
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| [23:57:43] | iamlindoro: | tube interlacing |
| [23:58:32] | sphery: | trying to get a screenshot, but it's not working |
| [23:58:50] | sphery: | but, yeah, that sounds like a good description of it |
| [23:58:52] | wagnerrp: | you mean where the CRT is not framelocked to the recording device? |
| [23:59:04] | wagnerrp: | so you catch the refresh mid cycle |
| [23:59:27] | sphery: | I mean like the Mac OS UI style |
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| [23:59:59] | wagnerrp: | that really doesnt mean anything to me |
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