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| [00:29:47] | noisymouse: | hi, is it possible to renumber analog channels? |
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| [00:49:11] | mw__: | i have a problem using external media with mythtv: if i plug in a usb thumbdrive, absolutely nothing happens. the drive doesnt even get mounted (though i have automount enabled via mythbuntu system settings). even after mounting the stick in e.g. thunar i cannot view the media saved on it, there is no menu entry. |
| [00:50:52] | wagnerrp: | mw__: mythtv doesnt really do transient media |
| [00:51:05] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo only shows the content it has scanned in and stored in the database |
| [00:51:08] | mw__: | thats bad... |
| [00:51:19] | wagnerrp: | so even after you attached the drive, get it mounted, you still need to scan for new content |
| [00:51:35] | mw__: | i hoped to put in media like sd card/usb drive/... and have an easy way to play it |
| [00:51:54] | wagnerrp: | let your system automount it, and then scan for new content |
| [00:52:22] | mw__: | afer googling for a while, there seem to be people who have the contents of the stick come up automagically |
| [00:52:55] | mw__: | yeah, i guess thats the way. "autoadder.py" from the wiki looks like its worth a try too. |
| [00:52:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, after the content is inserted into the database |
| [00:53:04] | wagnerrp: | autoadder.py... |
| [00:53:07] | ** wagnerrp goes and looks ** | |
| [00:54:54] | wagnerrp: | ah, some script that maintains a separate table of content as an archive |
| [00:55:03] | wagnerrp: | and swaps the data back in as it sees the drive mounted |
| [00:55:21] | mw__: | yeah. could you do me the favour and give me the link? |
| [00:55:38] | mw__: | i cannot find it now, after having it found 4–5 times in the last hour |
| [00:55:44] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythadder.py |
| [00:55:47] | mw__: | thanks |
| [00:55:59] | wagnerrp: | although its doing a whole lot of unnecessary sql in there |
| [00:56:04] | mw__: | yeah :D |
| [00:56:18] | mw__: | that thing is a performance killer. but well.. |
| [00:56:27] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be |
| [00:57:01] | mw__: | the pc is a designated media center, to be used entirely with a remote. so, i want to plug $storage in it and see the contents in mythtv (!) without hassle. |
| [00:57:13] | mw__: | lets say, sd card from camera |
| [00:57:28] | mw__: | is there any usual way to accomplish that= |
| [00:57:29] | mw__: | ? |
| [00:57:37] | wagnerrp: | mythgallery is nothing more than a file browser |
| [00:57:44] | mw__: | k |
| [00:57:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning it displays the contents of whatever directory you point it at, as it exists when you open it |
| [00:58:04] | wagnerrp: | so if you point it at an sd card in the settings |
| [00:58:10] | wagnerrp: | it will display all the images on that sd card |
| [00:58:13] | mw__: | so that souldnt be hard if automounting finally works |
| [00:58:22] | mw__: | ill set ist to point to /media |
| [00:58:54] | mw__: | so.. lets say, i have a movie on a thumbdrive. :D what now? |
| [00:59:13] | wagnerrp: | let it mount to a folder mythvideo knows about, scan for new content |
| [00:59:18] | mw__: | mh |
| [00:59:32] | mw__: | so it sould be enough to let myth know about /media |
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| [00:59:37] | mw__: | plug is, scan, done |
| [00:59:47] | mw__: | maybe ill put a "scan" button into the main menu |
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| [01:00:06] | wagnerrp: | there already is a scan button in the mythvideo menu |
| [01:00:10] | mw__: | that would look like it is wanted to be that way |
| [01:00:17] | mw__: | yeah, somewhere |
| [01:00:23] | mw__: | but not in main menu |
| [01:00:34] | wagnerrp: | you go into mythvideo, 'm', 'scan for content' |
| [01:00:43] | mw__: | like, "tv, recordings, dvd, scan for stuff" |
| [01:00:49] | wagnerrp: | why would you want it in the main menu? |
| [01:01:27] | mw__: | after thinking about it a second time, that is not a very good idea. you are right |
| [01:01:36] | mw__: | i have to open mythvideo anyway |
| [01:02:28] | mw__: | ok, thank you very much. now i just have to find out why my automount doesnt work.. i guess that will take quite a time |
| [01:03:08] | mw__: | i wanted to use mythbuntu just for not having to config everything and set up a real system by hand... but that could break my neck in the end |
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| [01:26:46] | jpabq: | My rev. C2 HD-PVR has developed video problems. Everything has horizontal streaks through it :( |
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| [01:48:59] | jpabq: | power supply issue. |
| [01:54:20] | Twiggy2cents: | sometimes I get so bored that I am happy that there are updates for the package manager to install... |
| [01:54:41] | Twiggy2cents: | That used to bring lots of joy on my slow internet, but on my cable internet it is only joy for about 2 minutes |
| [01:55:02] | wagnerrp: | sometimes i cut myself just to feel wanted |
| [01:58:24] | Twiggy2cents: | psh emo |
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| [01:58:36] | Twiggy2cents: | do something useful like update your package |
| [01:58:40] | Twiggy2cents: | to package 2.0 |
| [01:58:42] | wagnerrp: | says the pot |
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| [02:34:31] | noisymouse: | hi, so after I select a language in mythtv-setup with .25 it core-dumps. Any ideas how I can debug it? |
| [02:35:24] | wagnerrp: | how recent, i think that got fixed already |
| [02:35:53] | noisymouse: | 0.25_pre20111024 |
| [02:36:16] | noisymouse: | I'm on gentoo. I'm not entirely sure if my portage overlay is setup right |
| [02:36:48] | wagnerrp: | no, thats right |
| [02:36:55] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [02:36:57] | wagnerrp: | simple enough to update though |
| [02:37:09] | noisymouse: | ? |
| [02:37:13] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [02:37:29] | noisymouse: | I mean, update what? |
| [02:37:39] | wagnerrp: | to a newer version |
| [02:37:58] | noisymouse: | but that is the newest version (oh how do I check that btw) |
| [02:38:11] | wagnerrp: | i just checked my local repo |
| [02:38:34] | noisymouse: | well I had the overlay configured a while ago, but had been using .23 for a while |
| [02:38:51] | wagnerrp: | what i mean is... |
| [02:38:56] | wagnerrp: | if you want a newer version |
| [02:38:56] | noisymouse: | and had deleted the reference to the overlay from make.conf |
| [02:39:00] | wagnerrp: | go to the base of your overlay |
| [02:39:11] | wagnerrp: | and run scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py |
| [02:39:16] | wagnerrp: | no options needed |
| [02:41:21] | noisymouse: | hmm... I get a python error .. OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'media-tv/mythtv' |
| [02:41:33] | wagnerrp: | where did you run it from? |
| [02:41:41] | noisymouse: | oh... |
| [02:41:51] | wagnerrp: | you must be at the base of your overlay |
| [02:42:19] | noisymouse: | yeah now it's running |
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| [02:42:27] | wagnerrp: | it will take a bit |
| [02:42:40] | wagnerrp: | it has to download a new tarball from github |
| [02:43:10] | noisymouse: | so I should put that in a cronjob |
| [02:43:21] | noisymouse: | do I also need to do git pull periodically? |
| [02:43:50] | wagnerrp: | you can continue to generate your own |
| [02:44:10] | wagnerrp: | which will just replace a couple variables at the top of the file to make the github pull magic work |
| [02:44:28] | wagnerrp: | or you can pull it periodically from the repository |
| [02:44:42] | wagnerrp: | which is going to get occasional fixes, like the log cleaner |
| [02:44:51] | wagnerrp: | or new use flags |
| [02:45:41] | wagnerrp: | the script was written so kormoc and i didnt have to write those new ebuilds manually |
| [02:45:52] | noisymouse: | ah |
| [02:45:53] | wagnerrp: | but it was added to the repo so everyone else who uses the overlay could do so as well |
| [02:46:28] | noisymouse: | so it's just you two who keep the Gentoo ebuilds up to date? |
| [02:46:29] | wagnerrp: | --hash tells it to use a specific commit has, --version tags it as a different release |
| [02:47:02] | noisymouse: | is there a verbose option? |
| [02:47:21] | wagnerrp: | we keep our own overlay functional |
| [02:47:32] | wagnerrp: | car doe manages the official gentoo ebuilds |
| [02:47:51] | wagnerrp: | but he hasnt been using mythtv for a while, and has let the ebuilds lapse |
| [02:48:00] | noisymouse: | I see |
| [02:48:08] | wagnerrp: | at some point, hes planning on just grabbing periodic ebuilds out of our overlay |
| [02:49:55] | noisymouse: | oh cool it has the plugins also |
| [02:50:12] | wagnerrp: | it does everything in the primary repo |
| [02:50:26] | wagnerrp: | mythweb and nuvexport are in a separate primary, and do not get updated |
| [02:50:34] | wagnerrp: | s/primary/repo/ |
| [02:51:01] | noisymouse: | ok – I'm interested in getting mythweb working at some point |
| [02:51:14] | wagnerrp: | i cant help you with that |
| [02:51:23] | wagnerrp: | ive never run apache, much less mythweb, on gentoo |
| [02:52:36] | noisymouse: | np |
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| [03:15:46] | noisymouse: | so I'm still having the core dump issue |
| [03:16:02] | noisymouse: | wagnerrp? |
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| [03:28:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i know you were looking into that |
| [03:28:17] | wagnerrp: | i thought capt'm fixed it |
| [03:30:02] | Beirdo: | Hmmmm? |
| [03:30:11] | Beirdo: | Sorry, was off watching TV |
| [03:31:30] | wagnerrp: | core dump in mythtv-setup |
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| [03:33:31] | Beirdo: | that should be fixed |
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| [04:21:55] | cerise4096: | wagnerrp: I found the excuse to reboot my system, so I now have 3.0.4 working with the analog dev nodes for my 2250. |
| [04:22:12] | cerise4096: | Minor problem — I can't seem to get anything more than a blue screen out of either dev node. |
| [04:22:34] | cerise4096: | (note: I mean a literally blue screen on mplayer, not a blue screen in terms of a system error) |
| [04:22:49] | cerise4096: | I've plugged the same coax lead into a tv on channel 3 and I get real video out of it |
| [04:22:57] | cerise4096: | so I assume I must have something screwed up. |
| [04:24:03] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the device node is tied into the wrong input |
| [04:24:18] | wagnerrp: | each of those nodes has access to five inputs |
| [04:24:28] | wagnerrp: | the tuner, two composite, and two svideo |
| [04:24:31] | wagnerrp: | switchable within software |
| [04:26:37] | cerise4096: | I don't see anything in the module parameters to suggest how to switch it. Is there a convenient linux utility in existance? |
| [04:27:13] | wagnerrp: | v4l2ctl |
| [04:27:18] | cerise4096: | *existence. Eesh. |
| [04:28:53] | cerise4096: | Okee doke, I'll check that out. Thanks. 8) |
| [04:30:14] | wagnerrp: | or you could just... use mythtv |
| [04:34:47] | cerise4096: | I plan on that |
| [04:35:01] | cerise4096: | but I'm one of these weirdos who tries to learn things from the ground up. |
| [04:35:52] | cerise4096: | Strange thing — when I set it to the input for the coax, it comes in black & white. |
| [04:38:20] | cerise4096: | The s-video link seems to work great. 8) |
| [04:39:23] | cerise4096: | Ultimately it's what I should be using anyway. |
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| [05:33:33] | cerise4096: | wagnerrp: shouldn't signal via coax carry audio? |
| [05:34:16] | cerise4096: | the 2250 seems to claim that there's only one audio input (from v4l2-ctl --list-audio-inputs) |
| [05:34:40] | cerise4096: | I set the volume via v4l2-ctl -c volume=24 |
| [05:34:54] | cerise4096: | but I'm still not getting any audio |
| [05:35:09] | cerise4096: | (or color, for that matter) |
| [05:35:54] | cerise4096: | S-video seems to do OK for video. I haven't run RCA audio lines yet, so it's understandable that the svideo input would be silent. |
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| [09:09:01] | justinh: | I wonder how much our cable manufacturer pays for the 'USB 2.0 Certified' stickers they put on the cables |
| [09:15:27] | dekarl: | and do they sell more or less because of the stickers? |
| [09:16:14] | justinh: | nah, I'm only wondering how much they pay for the stickers because they ain't frickin certified cables |
| [09:16:55] | justinh: | not the way they're constructed. the usb spec says the data pair has to be twisted in a double helix. with these you'd be lucky if the data pair saw two twists in its entire length |
| [09:16:58] | dekarl: | oh, that's another twist |
| [09:17:01] | laga: | do they also have CE stickes for "chinese equipment"? |
| [09:17:28] | justinh: | and I've found that one of the data lines *has* been twisted together with ground near the mini USB 'A' plug :-\ |
| [09:17:34] | justinh: | laga: LOL |
| [09:17:45] | dekarl: | at least they tried, give them a point |
| [09:18:06] | dekarl: | (maybe it's the connectors that are certified or similar) |
| [09:18:45] | laga: | or the packaging |
| [09:18:51] | justinh: | and voila, my crappy ordinary ribbon cable replacement cable works every time |
| [09:19:57] | dekarl: | man I hate these "I can haz picturez for my downloadz" tv series data collections.. can they not produce valid xml in the correct encoding? :( |
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| [09:23:55] | justinh: | dekarl: eh? never ran into any problems with thetvdb.com nor tmdb |
| [09:25:01] | dekarl: | tvdb... I get stuff that's been encoded into utf twice. and illegal characters (has been reported, they didn't seem to understand or care) |
| [09:26:00] | dekarl: | makes it an "interesting" challange to match up data from broadcasters to tvdb data is you have to massage the data on all sides until they at least look a big similar. |
| [09:26:13] | dekarl: | s/big/bit/ |
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| [09:27:28] | justinh: | xml is a bit crap about what characters it allows. It's basically unsuited to internationalised data |
| [09:29:23] | dekarl: | how so? |
| [09:30:04] | dekarl: | It works really well for everything I do. As long as the encoding in the header and the actual encoding match it's working quite well. |
| [09:30:16] | justinh: | ah then maybe that's the problem |
| [09:30:44] | justinh: | I've ran into problems with tv_grab_uk_rt where even UK characters end up messy |
| [09:30:55] | justinh: | punctuation etc |
| [09:31:16] | dekarl: | the issue with tvdb is that the allow copy'n'pasted crap without filtering for valid characters... e.g. control characters like "vertical space" which are not allowed native in xml |
| [09:31:46] | justinh: | so just fix it in yer grabber :P |
| [09:32:55] | dekarl: | justinh: from the description sounds very familar... some people use the name "western" or "latin1" and mean "windows-1252" instead of "iso-8859–1"... which differs in punctuation (bullet, quotes, elipsis, etc.) and the euro sign and another 3 characters... Ends up in the lower part of utf8 sometimes (wrongly), too |
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| [09:36:12] | justinh: | hahahaha and now I can't get the original CE 'USB 2.0' cable to fail either |
| [09:37:16] | dekarl: | that's the problem with proving something isn't guranteed to work... it's not guranteed to fail either :) |
| [09:37:45] | justinh: | it used to fail 60% of the time |
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| [10:06:12] | justinh: | heh maybe those people seeing 15–30 second pauses in the UI fade need to stop using ION hardware :P |
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| [10:19:05] | justinh: | wow. Richer sounds have the same model as the TV we just got at work that I'm pretty impressed by. Under 300 quid and with £50 cashback! :-O |
| [10:19:45] | justinh: | can't get one just yet though. I'm gonna need help carting off the old one & my wife won't be able to lend a hand |
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| [10:21:12] | ahhughez: | good evening |
| [10:21:14] | jduggan: | justinh: what model is that? |
| [10:21:41] | justinh: | oops. not exactly the same model. CCFL vs edge LED. D'oh |
| [10:21:49] | dekarl: | and I love their (tvdb) solution... "just edit it somehow and wait for the xml to be generated again, you might get lucky", will solve some of the issues |
| [10:21:58] | justinh: | jduggan: we got a KDL32EX523 at work |
| [10:22:12] | justinh: | dekarl: so it's a little broken. we get it |
| [10:22:34] | justinh: | but nobody sees anyone else stepping in & doing things how you want them to be done :P |
| [10:23:09] | justinh: | bah Richer Sounds aren't doing any Sony edge LED TVs |
| [10:23:09] | dekarl: | but you're right, whining won't fix it :) |
| [10:24:01] | justinh: | maybe the CCFL version would be good enough for me – but apparently in the LED version they do all kinds of tricks with the backlight to improve motion response |
| [10:24:25] | justinh: | i.e. they pulse it rather than just leave it on all the time |
| [10:24:48] | justinh: | funny, I didn't think that was where the 'motion blur' in panels came from |
| [10:31:53] | ahhughez: | I have to relocate everything from /var/lib/mythtv (i.e. all recordings e.t.c) to another drive. So I do clean backups without all the recordings. Is there a safe/easy way todo this? I notice that livetv has dynamic sized files in there (of what I am currently watching) |
| [10:32:05] | justinh: | /var/lib? Oh LOL |
| [10:32:21] | ahhughez: | thats the default |
| [10:32:50] | justinh: | you don't *have* to relocate anything when you use storage groups |
| [10:33:07] | justinh: | just add another directory to the storage group & mythtv will look everywhere :) |
| [10:33:42] | justinh: | I mean it'll look in every directory you define. it doesn't care where it finds stuff as long as they're *somewhere* in a directory you define in the SG |
| [10:34:47] | ahhughez: | so those files arent linked to some db config? I can just change to another dir, and copy the files across? Or maybe even symlink? |
| [10:35:47] | justinh: | just the base filename is stored. not the whole path |
| [10:36:11] | ahhughez: | neat |
| [10:36:15] | justinh: | for my 'default' recording storage group I have two directories defined: /video/videorec and /video2 |
| [10:36:37] | justinh: | if I wanted to I could move everything out of one into the other & not have to touch any database entries |
| [10:37:25] | ahhughez: | that implies I am going to have to touch the db |
| [10:37:43] | justinh: | no you're not |
| [10:37:52] | justinh: | you need to stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup |
| [10:38:40] | justinh: | go into 'storage directories' and add new directories to the storage group(s) you want to move |
| [10:38:45] | ahhughez: | that's "mythtv backend setup" right? |
| [10:38:55] | justinh: | the mythtv-setup command |
| [10:39:07] | justinh: | I dunno what retarded distro calls it 'mythtv backend setup' |
| [10:39:23] | ahhughez: | mythbuntu |
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| [10:40:53] | dekarl: | ahhughez: yes, that'S mythv backend setup and it will stop the backend for you, too |
| [10:42:05] | ahhughez: | worst case scenario, disk blows up and it restarts and (coz its a mounted partition on /hdd2/mythtv ) and thats not there, myth will still boot e.t.c. right? |
| [10:42:33] | ahhughez: | I expect an error, but a fixable one. |
| [10:43:54] | ahhughez: | and wtf is livetv anyway? I got like 27GB in there of stuff that is weeks old. |
| [10:44:46] | dekarl: | you do have lots of free space and not told mythtv to clean up livetv buffer quickly? |
| [10:45:12] | justinh: | livetv recordings should be expired after 24 hours or when you hit a disk space limit – whichever happens first |
| [10:45:17] | ahhughez: | probably, Im just kulling before I do my first backup |
| [10:45:35] | justinh: | that is, live tv recordings which are just allowed to sit there, not stuff you pressed RECORD on |
| [10:45:54] | ahhughez: | ahhh well hdd is like 60% free |
| [10:46:20] | dekarl: | justinh: does that directly remove them or just mark them deleted? |
| [10:46:32] | ahhughez: | so I can rm -rf * them and it wont do any harm? |
| [10:47:45] | dekarl: | ahhughez: I try to avoid to manually mess around in directories that are dedicated to mythtv. Usually the backend knows what to do. |
| [10:48:11] | justinh: | ahhughez: NO |
| [10:48:19] | justinh: | definitely not! |
| [10:48:42] | ahhughez: | noted, I just want to clean them up so I can do this backup without backing up such files |
| [10:48:44] | justinh: | if you can see the recordings in your livetv group within the 'watch recordings' screen deal with them there |
| [10:49:05] | justinh: | if you can't see them there, enable the group so they can be seen |
| [10:52:08] | ahhughez: | wtf is a group? |
| [10:53:28] | justinh: | sigh |
| [10:53:59] | justinh: | in 'watch recordings' with the list on the left hand side (depending on which theme you use of course) selected press MENU |
| [10:54:04] | justinh: | that brings up the group menu |
| [10:54:23] | justinh: | rather the group list menu |
| [10:54:49] | justinh: | select 'change group view'& make sure 'show livetv' is selected |
| [10:55:34] | justinh: | you should then have a new entry in the group list at the left hand side called Live TV |
| [10:56:35] | justinh: | but if these things are shows you were watching in livetv & pressed RECORD, they might be stored in the livetv group but no longer be members of the livetv recording group (instead belonging to the DEFAULT recording group) |
| [10:57:33] | justinh: | if the latter is true, they won't show up in the livetv recordings listing at all – you should be able to move those to your default recordings SG I think |
| [10:58:35] | ahhughez: | sorry justinh – new to all this. Big help thank you... I got "Live TV" on the watch recordings now. |
| [10:58:57] | ahhughez: | so I can delete them manually there, SWEEEEEET! |
| [11:00:40] | justinh: | they should have been expired after 24 hours though |
| [11:02:48] | ahhughez: | hmmm I deleted everything displayed in the watch recordings, Live TV... but I still have x2 mpg's... 17GB and 20GB.... both from september. |
| [11:12:37] | ahhughez: | sure is tempting to just delete the damn files. |
| [11:13:55] | ahhughez: | playing devils advocate here, if I do restore from backup and these *****.mpg e.t.c. files are missing wont this produce the conditions I was warned about above? manually deleting these files |
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| [12:03:56] | justinh: | ahhughez: yes. that's why you won't be restoring a database which has the recordings present if you know what's best |
| [12:05:03] | justinh: | there's a script to check for orphan files somewhere IIRC |
| [12:05:40] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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| [12:22:38] | ahhughez: | justinh, ummm are you saying dont restore a database with recordings? |
| [12:26:24] | ahhughez: | or just bite the damn bullet and back up the entire disk? |
| [12:27:31] | justinh: | I'm saying back up the database *after* you've dealt with the orphans |
| [12:31:35] | ahhughez: | im backing up the disk as an image |
| [12:31:47] | ahhughez: | just trying to minimize the disk size |
| [12:33:28] | justinh: | why? I mean why back up the whole disk? |
| [12:33:56] | justinh: | if you're only transferring one to another just mount the new disk & rsync it with the right parameters |
| [12:34:40] | ahhughez: | I was going to use clonezilla's live cd |
| [12:35:31] | justinh: | never heard of it :-) |
| [12:38:25] | justinh: | if all you want to do is transfer all your recordings to a new disk all you really need do is rsync |
| [12:39:03] | ahhughez: | nope, I want to be able to revert the entire boot disk (which is only 1 partition) |
| [12:39:46] | justinh: | I've not bothered with that for ages. installing a whole OS on a new disk takes less time than restoring anything from an image, I find |
| [12:39:55] | ahhughez: | by the looks of it, you use the live cd to boot off media.... the pick the disc you want to image, and the location (i.e. the 2nd hdd) when you want to save the image. |
| [12:40:11] | justinh: | my database & recording are all that matters – and only the database & config files get backed up |
| [12:40:16] | justinh: | no need to image all of / |
| [12:41:30] | ahhughez: | there is for me :) |
| [12:41:52] | ahhughez: | spent AGES setting this all up. If it dies I will be seriously pi553d |
| [12:42:10] | justinh: | all the mythtv setting up is in the database |
| [12:42:21] | justinh: | all of the lirc settings are in /etc/lirc* |
| [12:42:40] | ahhughez: | its not just myth I am backing up here, its the entire os. |
| [12:42:50] | justinh: | I know, but I think it's daft :) |
| [12:43:37] | ahhughez: | everything from my dvb-t drivers, to ps3mediaserver install to bluetooth and touchegg install.... |
| [12:43:50] | ahhughez: | no way in the world do I want to start from scratch again. |
| [12:44:37] | ahhughez: | thanks for your help justinh |
| [12:44:48] | justinh: | touchegg? wth is that? |
| [12:45:01] | justinh: | ahh. MEH |
| [12:45:05] | ahhughez: | I use an apple magic trackpad |
| [12:45:27] | ahhughez: | its better than a mouse for htpc |
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| [12:47:52] | justinh: | a remote is all I need |
| [12:48:08] | justinh: | since all I use is mythtv :-) |
| [12:48:23] | ahhughez: | when you say I can move /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/* and have another group, is that in the mythsetup's. storage directories -> storage groups? Then I can add a 2nd dir under say 'recordings' or I can just delete that dir, use the other and copy the files across (so long as myth is not running) |
| [12:49:02] | justinh: | ahhughez: yes |
| [12:49:24] | justinh: | I wish folks would give up putting stuff in /var/lib |
| [12:49:32] | justinh: | it might be the 'standard' but it's annoying |
| [12:49:54] | ahhughez: | and reeeeeeewind... myth starts up and recordings, livetv e.t.c. files are missing or new ones are there.. ok or boom? |
| [12:50:09] | justinh: | eh? |
| [12:50:10] | ahhughez: | files == *.mpg and idx |
| [12:50:27] | justinh: | idx? |
| [12:50:33] | justinh: | nothing to do with mythtv, those |
| [12:50:54] | ahhughez: | basically if I restore the boot hdd to say, whatever it was 3 months ago. |
| [12:51:06] | justinh: | what about the database? |
| [12:51:39] | ahhughez: | tellz me about it :) |
| [12:51:42] | justinh: | you can't just restore a 3 month old database to mythtv & expect it to a) not worry that files deleted were since then and b) be able to pick up new recordings since the last backup |
| [12:51:58] | justinh: | besides you should be taking db backups nightly or so |
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| [12:53:34] | ahhughez: | gotcha. sounds like you are telling me boom |
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| [12:54:22] | justinh: | worry about your config files |
| [12:54:25] | justinh: | worry about your database |
| [12:54:32] | justinh: | it doesn't take long to install a base OS |
| [12:55:39] | justinh: | in any sane distro, all the config files are in /etc |
| [12:55:54] | ahhughez: | I would like to agree with that |
| [12:56:15] | justinh: | and even without cherry-picking an archive would take only a few MB – way less if compressed |
| [12:56:50] | justinh: | back up /home/mythtv too – some config files will live there as well |
| [12:57:27] | justinh: | so yeah maybe continue as you are, imaging / but for pete's sakes back up the database more often |
| [12:57:54] | justinh: | a nightly backup has saved my skin on two occasions now |
| [12:58:34] | justinh: | once after the partition the database lives on got full (oops) & mysql broke down meaning the db was irreperable – and the last time the HDD started to go bonk |
| [12:59:18] | justinh: | I managed to copy the old database out, pull off everything I could recover from it & combine it with a previous backup :) |
| [12:59:33] | justinh: | oh, and then there was the time I wiped out all of the settings table by mistake |
| [13:00:44] | ahhughez: | is backupdb configured in mythsetup? I cant see it there |
| [13:01:58] | ahhughez: | oh, I cant go on Im falling asleep.. thanks heaps justinh!!!!!! very very much appreciated. |
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| [13:02:09] | justinh: | you need to take care of autom.. |
| [13:02:12] | justinh: | ah sod it then |
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| [13:27:08] | justinh: | has the world gone crazy? Apple open sources their lossless audio codec? :-O |
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| [14:36:25] | justinh: | ROFL. Our stupid (native) android app is crashy & basically doesn't work |
| [14:36:48] | justinh: | however I found a free app in the android marketplace which speaks our protocol & it works brilliantly |
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| [14:40:17] | alla: | How can I disable the little progress bar that pops up when the TV/recording is paused? |
| [14:40:55] | justinh: | you can cancel it but not disable it |
| [14:41:53] | justinh: | you *might* be able to edit the OSD theme to remove it, but then it might affect other OSD operations too |
| [14:42:18] | alla: | justinh: I'm sick of hitting esc (and possibly hitting it twice and exiting live tv) and waiting 5 seconds for it to disappear is annoying. |
| [14:43:05] | alla: | justinh: If I could find the relevant bit in the theme I would nuke it, but I'm not sure which bit is the right bit. |
| [14:43:18] | tank-man: | adjust your pause button to pause and escape :) |
| [14:43:22] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/OSD_development_gu . . . us_Container |
| [14:43:50] | alla: | tank-man: Is that possible? |
| [14:43:50] | justinh: | I'm puzzled that anybody is becoming *annoyed* by it |
| [14:44:01] | justinh: | alla: sure |
| [14:44:10] | wagnerrp: | alla: its nothing that anyone has ever bothered to do |
| [14:44:16] | tank-man: | alla, no idea |
| [14:44:17] | alla: | justinh: I'm actually more interested in the content on the screen than the oversized status display. |
| [14:44:22] | wagnerrp: | because generally, when you pause, its to go elsewhere |
| [14:44:26] | wagnerrp: | not to look at something on screen |
| [14:46:35] | justinh: | alla: yeah you can have more than one config= FOO line in a lircrc file |
| [14:46:42] | justinh: | they're processed in sequence |
| [14:46:43] | alla: | wagnerrp: That is one use case for pause, sure. |
| [14:47:41] | alla: | wagnerrp: Generally when I pause playback it is because I need to figure out what I am seeing. |
| [14:47:58] | justinh: | so say you want PAUSE to do P followed by Esc ... button = Pause – config = P – config = \e |
| [14:48:12] | justinh: | you could just use a less obtrustive OSD theme |
| [14:48:18] | justinh: | oh wait.. no you can't |
| [14:48:26] | justinh: | not since it's tied to the gui theme now |
| [14:48:30] | justinh: | go progress |
| [14:48:32] | high-rez: | Have any of you done HD quality comparisons between the US Providers? I'm curious how Comcast and Dish Network stack up against eachother. |
| [14:49:01] | alla: | justinh: I'm not using lircrc anyway... just a keyboard. |
| [14:49:28] | justinh: | not using a remote? so why are you using mythtv then? :P |
| [14:50:48] | alla: | justinh: Hah, come on, you have much fun using a web browser with a 15 button remote control? |
| [14:51:27] | high-rez: | But myth is more of a dvr than a web browser |
| [14:51:55] | alla: | high-rez: Yeah of course, but a computer can have more than one function :-) |
| [14:51:55] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: dish cant compare to comcast |
| [14:52:11] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Really? |
| [14:52:18] | wagnerrp: | because comcast you can record digitally, dish you have to record though analog capture |
| [14:52:21] | justinh: | I either watch TV, or I browse the web |
| [14:52:30] | justinh: | I don't do both at the same time |
| [14:52:49] | justinh: | which is funny because so many old linux magazine reviews used to pitch mythtv as a way of doing that |
| [14:53:59] | alla: | justinh: Perhaps if you were using a keyboard you would be more tempted to switch over to the browser during the ads etc :-) |
| [14:54:12] | alla: | Perhaps there's a way of setting the timeout for the pause dialog? |
| [14:54:26] | justinh: | ads? |
| [14:54:28] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [14:54:45] | justinh: | alla: there used to be a global setting for the osd timeout. not anymore |
| [14:54:46] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Sure, and thats totally fair. I was concerned reading that comcast is still using mpeg2 because they don't want to replace old STBs, but they're stuffing 4 channels onto a single multiplex – and that their MPEG2 is super blocky as a result. Dish's HD is beautiful, but its because what you mentioned, analog capture vs direct digital capture that I'm considering going the HDHR Prime route. :| |
| [14:55:04] | alla: | justinh: Hey it's not the size of your buffer, it's how you use it :[ |
| [14:55:22] | wagnerrp: | alla: why would you switch to the browser during ads when you can just skip over them? |
| [14:56:09] | alla: | wagnerrp: Because sometimes I watch live tv ... |
| [14:56:12] | justinh: | alla: you came to mythtv too late |
| [14:56:32] | justinh: | it used to be way more configurable, but thankfully they've been getting rid of all the pointless settings |
| [14:56:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not allow the kind of context switching that makes for seamless flipping between tv and web browsing |
| [14:56:55] | justinh: | and it's only gonna be getting better :D |
| [14:57:06] | wagnerrp: | you would have to terminate your livetv session to open the web browser |
| [14:57:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not if you have a keyboard in front of you! |
| [14:57:28] | alla: | wagnerrp: Uh no. I just switch desktops. |
| [14:57:43] | justinh: | there's nothing as comfortable as sitting at a desk watching teevees |
| [14:57:49] | justinh: | oh. wait. oops |
| [14:58:09] | wagnerrp: | if you switch desktops, then you dont see that OSD popup anyway |
| [14:59:09] | tank-man: | i use mythtv on my desktop :) multiple monitors ftw |
| [14:59:30] | justinh: | huh? none of the OSD timeouts are themeable? |
| [14:59:58] | alla: | wagnerrp: I think you're missing the point. |
| [15:00:17] | justinh: | anyway alla, you're out of luck |
| [15:01:07] | alla: | justinh: Okay thank you. |
| [15:02:02] | justinh: | so er.. now there are no OSD timeout settings and no ability to change the timeout in the theme? oh |
| [15:04:11] | justinh: | seems the answer is "sure, if you don't mind patching the source". heh |
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| [15:11:07] | justinh: | well, I find the timeout values are sensible anyway. no need for tweaking |
| [15:11:31] | justinh: | and if I want to mastur.. I mean see what's paused more clearly I don't mind having to hit the back button on the remote |
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| [15:15:07] | justinh: | boxee loses another video source. Bye bye see-saw |
| [15:15:34] | pheld: | remote control over LAN doesn't seem to work. the frontend is unble to bind to port. Have tested the default 6546 and a number of alternative ports with the same result. |
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| [15:16:26] | justinh: | unable to bind to the port likely means something else already has |
| [15:16:26] | pheld: | ahh.. known problem (#10057), never mind |
| [15:17:19] | pheld: | nope ports are free according to netstat, and I can easily enable a different server process listening on it. |
| [15:18:51] | pheld: | might have something to do with confusion about multiple interfaces, and this box also has an IPv6 tunnel. there's no place to specify listening address though |
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| [15:28:42] | wagnerrp: | pheld: correct, it is suposed to listen on all addresses |
| [15:32:19] | wagnerrp: | alla: i really am missing the point |
| [15:32:43] | wagnerrp: | you are switching to a different desktop because you want to use an external browser during ads |
| [15:32:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning mythfrontend is no longer even visible for the OSD to be a problem |
| [15:35:31] | alla: | wagnerrp: I am trying to *see* the screen when the tv is paused. The pause dialog occludes 15% of the screen. The conversation regarding desktop switching was in relation to why I would choose to use a keyboard instead of a remote. |
| [15:36:01] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [15:36:05] | ** wagnerrp now gets the point ** | |
| [15:36:40] | alla: | wagnerrp: Hitting escape when paused is troublesome and occasionally triggers twice, throwing away my live tv buffer. FFWDing or RWDing makes the pause dialog vanish also, but it takes five seconds. |
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| [15:54:38] | iamlindoro: | Why not just create an empty paused dialog in the osd.xml of your theme of choice? |
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| [16:53:07] | sphery: | alla: or set up mythtv to ask you before it exits playback |
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| [16:54:16] | sphery: | alla: Action on playback exit... Just exit/Save position and exit/Always prompt (excluding Live TV)/Always prompt (including Live TV)/Prompt for Live TV only ... If set to prompt, a menu will be displayed when you exit playback mode. The options available will allow you to save your position, delete the recording, or continue watching. |
| [16:54:23] | sphery: | in TV Settings|Playback |
| [16:54:36] | sphery: | (or stop using Live TV? :) |
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| [17:26:48] | Oleg_: | Just out of curiosity, I would like to know how to compile mythtv on OpenIndiana |
| [17:26:57] | Oleg_: | 'cause I typed ./configure and got an error |
| [17:27:53] | wagnerrp: | what error? |
| [17:28:15] | Oleg_: | to tell you that, I need to reboot into OpenIndiana |
| [17:28:20] | Oleg_: | hold on |
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| [17:32:29] | Oleg_: | ./configure: line 1873: syntax error at line 1887: `}' unexpected |
| [17:33:34] | noisymouse: | Hi, so mythtv-setup 0.25_pre20111027 core dumps after selecting my language preference |
| [17:33:48] | sphery: | Oleg_: you'll likely need to fix many issues in not only configure, but also in the MythTV code to get it to work on OpenIndiana... If you're not a developer looking to spend many hours debugging/etc, you're probably better off going with a well-supported platform (i.e. GNU/Linux) |
| [17:34:18] | Oleg_: | sphery, well, I don't really need OpenIndiana, but I love playing with Unix-type OSes |
| [17:34:25] | sphery: | Oleg_: last ticket we had was http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5769 --and note that it was closed wontfix |
| [17:34:35] | Oleg_: | I have freebsd, linux, and openindiana installed on different hard drives |
| [17:35:02] | sphery: | if you wanted to take that and run with it and update it, it might be possible to include necessary changes |
| [17:35:53] | sphery: | and, really, any changes that are to sections of configure that are in the ffmpeg configure script need to be fixed upstream, too |
| [17:36:06] | sphery: | (or instead, rather than too) |
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| [17:46:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i know people have used solaris in the past |
| [17:46:43] | wagnerrp: | im surprised openindiana would be much trouble |
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| [17:53:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes, they could probably find a 0.21 (or 0.18 or ???) version that will configure/compile on Solaris/OpenIndiana, but current MythTV likely needs a lot of work |
| [17:53:53] | sphery: | if nothing else, changes similar to those on the ticket I linked, but I'd guess much more, too |
| [17:54:01] | sphery: | (where the more is in the code) |
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| [17:54:38] | sphery: | it shouldn't be too difficult for a developer who knows solaris/openindiana and is willing to spend many hours adding support (and then trying to keep up with changes, like on Mac OS/Windows) |
| [18:00:14] | Oleg_: | the package repository of OI contains the old versions of different packages. for example, rtorrent 0.8.2 |
| [18:00:34] | Oleg_: | and firefox 3 instead of the newer firefox 7 |
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| [18:00:50] | Oleg_: | it has mplayer2 |
| [18:00:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt use rtorrent or firefox or mplayer |
| [18:01:32] | noisymouse: | wagnerrp, I'm still have the segfault issue |
| [18:01:40] | Oleg_: | I know. I am just saying that the repo contains the older versions of packages |
| [18:01:53] | Oleg_: | and it doesn't have mythtv |
| [18:02:33] | Oleg_: | bbl |
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| [18:06:20] | noisymouse: | ^^^ |
| [18:11:18] | sphery: | Oleg_: yeah, I'm not recommending using an old version of MythTV (as it won't mix with new versions on other hosts--and it's not nearly as good as new versions)... Just saying that it's been a /long/ time since anyone has done anything serious with MythTV on Solaris/OpenSolaris/... |
| [18:11:32] | sphery: | (TTBOMK, the last time was before OpenIndiana existed) |
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| [18:43:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what are you talking about? 0.18 was the best version ever |
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| [18:54:40] | sphery: | hehe, oh yeah--forgot about that |
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| [19:00:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | I hought it was 0.21. if not, then why did I ever upgrade from 0.18? |
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| [19:12:55] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct support |
| [19:13:07] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... why would you need that when theres EIT? |
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| [19:20:51] | phil__: | hiho. myth isn't able to lock dvbt channels, with kaffeine it works without problems. version 0.23+fixes |
| [19:21:02] | phil__: | is there anything i can do? |
| [19:27:07] | devinheitmueller: | phil__: did you try increasing the tuning timeouts? |
| [19:27:55] | phil__: | devinheitmueller: no, i find that setting in the backend somewhere i suppose |
| [19:28:10] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it's in the capture card properties in mythtv-setup. |
| [19:29:08] | phil__: | found it, increased from 3 to 8 sec's. i'll give it a try |
| [19:30:27] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/ipad.png |
| [19:30:44] | iamlindoro: | One of these days I'll need to buy the actual hardware |
| [19:31:45] | sphery: | what, buy a $700 tablet when you can get a $199 one? ;) |
| [19:32:03] | iamlindoro: | That's how people end up with Framegrabbers |
| [19:32:16] | high-rez: | I'm half tempted to get one of those $250 acer iconica a500's (in the tablet topic). |
| [19:32:18] | iamlindoro: | And who said pay $700? |
| [19:32:32] | sphery: | hehe, though Kindle Fire isn't really a framegrabber... more of a tablet without a 300% markup |
| [19:32:43] | phil__: | devinheitmueller: still no luck, but after trying with myth even kaffeine was unable to tune in anymore |
| [19:33:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: That's not an even comparison, the Kindle Fire is substantially smaller, slower, with a poor supply of apps, crap development tools, slower, and far more limited media playback |
| [19:33:31] | sphery: | phil__: do you have open dvb devices on demand set? if not, mythtv may still be using it (assuming you're still running the backend) |
| [19:33:36] | iamlindoro: | but yeah, besides that, pretty much just the markup :P |
| [19:33:53] | sphery: | well, kindle fire is negative 20 days old, now? |
| [19:33:57] | high-rez: | I got my wife one of those $99 touchpads. Its pretty awesome for what it does. I can't see myself dropping iPad type $$$ but at $250 the honeycomb tablets are appealing. |
| [19:33:59] | sphery: | apps will follow |
| [19:34:00] | phil__: | sphery: I think I have set that, yes |
| [19:34:04] | devinheitmueller: | phil__: sphery is probably correct. Also, double check your dmesg output for errors. |
| [19:34:32] | sphery: | but the point is that apple is marking it up way more than they should |
| [19:34:56] | sphery: | eventually other tablet manufacturers will be pressured into properly pricing their android tables |
| [19:35:09] | sphery: | and I won't own a tablet until that day |
| [19:35:22] | phil__: | no error's there, just unloading and loading of the proper drivers because I simple poped it out and in |
| [19:35:37] | high-rez: | sphery: What is the proper pricepoint? |
| [19:36:33] | sphery: | well, Amazon's Kindle Fire costs about $191 and change in materials and around $211 including manufacturing costs, so I'd say around the $200-$300 point. |
| [19:36:53] | sphery: | Apple's iPad may actually cost less than that due to volume purchases and such |
| [19:36:59] | sphery: | (even though it's better tech) |
| [19:37:28] | high-rez: | The Acer Iconica can be had for $250 refurb'd right now wity warranty and all that. |
| [19:37:35] | sphery: | as of Feb, 2010, they estimated manufacturing cost at $270 |
| [19:38:30] | high-rez: | (And considering acer has said that it'll be getting ICS in january, I think that makes it a pretty decent deal). |
| [19:38:34] | sphery: | now it's likely much lower (even for ipad 2) |
| [19:38:37] | iamlindoro: | You guys go ahead and buy your Android Tablets... but spare me the zealotry either way. I'll devote my development attention where I want, and haven't said anything remotely apple fanboyish |
| [19:38:57] | sphery: | true... I'm not trying to discourage you |
| [19:39:01] | high-rez: | Nobody was zealous? |
| [19:40:13] | sphery: | and, besides, I'll be the first to admit that Android is an also-ran that will always be less stable and more developer-centric/techy than apple's stuff |
| [19:40:54] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: we'll have to agree to disagree-- I decided to share something that I spent my time on related to MythTV, and all anyone can focus on is their proclivities as regards OS and hardware. Taking what is MythTV related and turning it into an anti-apple platform is unwarranted and irritating |
| [19:40:55] | sphery: | (and isn't even Free, so it's just plain 2nd rate). I just think that tablets are way more expensive than they should be |
| [19:41:30] | high-rez: | Sure, I'd say that too. But it's hard to argue with the price point of the hardware, and if it workes for you it works for you. I've never advocated using a screwdriver as a hammer. :) |
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| [19:42:15] | sphery: | next time I'll include a lot more winks so you notice it was a joke about the price of ipad and had nothing to do with your work |
| [19:44:22] | high-rez: | Switching gears... Anyone have thoughts on the quality of Comcast's HD? (I'm coming from Dish Network, and have been quite impressed with their H264 – but want to be able to record the original digital source, as opposed to doing an analog capture ala hdpvr). |
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| [19:45:50] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Your work is gorgeous. I was simply reacting to the general discussion around tablets and pricing (something I've been semi interested in since scoring a touchpad for my wife). |
| [19:47:44] | sphery: | high-rez: there are many discussions on avsforum of the quality with various providers... Might also be interested in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081 |
| [19:48:09] | iamlindoro: | Comcast's HD quality is IMO fairly decent. It'll also be actual 1920x1080 versus the 1440x1080 broadcast on much of Dish network. That said, the Quality will vary wildly by local engineering and muxing-- depending on how much the local headend decides to cram in, and how much is going on at that exact moment on the rest of the mux, it could be great or poor |
| [19:48:12] | sphery: | seems the general consensus is, "if you're concerned about over-compression, go with an antenna for locals for best quality" |
| [19:49:27] | iamlindoro: | I have never personally had any cause for complaint, but also live in a market that may or may not be more sensitive to picture quality (Silicon Valley) and thus Comcast may be bringing their A game here |
| [19:50:01] | high-rez: | sphery: Nice chart! The loss of BBC-A in HD would suck. |
| [19:50:19] | iamlindoro: | It's available in some markets with Comcast, but far from all |
| [19:50:30] | iamlindoro: | They're rolling it out nationwide in the next few months IIRC |
| [19:50:40] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: I read that some time ago they had some compression issues when they moved to 3 programs on a single multiplex. |
| [19:51:19] | high-rez: | I really love dish, but the pricepoint of the HDHR Prime is making me reconsider (I *still* can't figure out what comcast actually charges) |
| [19:51:38] | iamlindoro: | There's more to the story than just that-- first off, how the signal is muxed will vary from market to market, including how many channels/bitrate allowances |
| [19:52:08] | iamlindoro: | secondly, the quality of compression hardware has improved a lot since those first complaints 4–5 yers ago |
| [19:52:56] | iamlindoro: | That said, just as with any service besides probably FIOS, the possibility of heavy artifacting always exists, you just can't avoid it |
| [19:53:09] | high-rez: | Is there any rumbling about them moving to h264? |
| [19:53:11] | iamlindoro: | It's just not something I've ever noticed in my market |
| [19:53:26] | iamlindoro: | No, it's quite unlikely-- that would require replacing pretty much all of their consumer (and headend) hardware |
| [19:53:36] | iamlindoro: | unlikely that it will be soon, anyway |
| [19:54:05] | iamlindoro: | Limited rollouts in some markets have actually already occurred IIRC, but nationwide? Likely to be a long time |
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| [19:58:00] | high-rez: | Hmmf. Im so on the fence about the move. :/ |
| [19:58:57] | high-rez: | On one hand, digital capture is the way to go and the hdhr prime pricepoint is appealing. On the other, it's comcast, and I can't even get honest pricing out of them. Wish I had a digital capture option with dish :/ |
| [19:59:50] | sphery: | fwiw, I'm guessing the difference between original digital version and hd-pvr version is rather slight |
| [20:00:24] | sphery: | the quality from the hd-pvr is more likely to be affected by the upstream source (i.e. dish or whoever's rebroadcasting) |
| [20:01:54] | iamlindoro: | That said, the ability to record 3x HD Programs simultaneously with no quality loss makes the Prime appealing. I tend to agree that most users of the HD-PVR probably don't notice the generational loss anyway. |
| [20:03:21] | high-rez: | Yeah to be honest, I probably wouldn't notice it much either, but it's principal for me. :) |
| [20:03:25] | sphery: | yeah, the 3x recording with one device is nice--versus buying 3x hd-pvrs |
| [20:03:33] | iamlindoro: | and renting 3x STBs |
| [20:03:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:04:34] | high-rez: | Do you rent the cablecard? |
| [20:04:52] | wagnerrp: | for much less per month than a single cable box |
| [20:04:52] | high-rez: | Or is there some monthly fee for it? I assume if there is its less than the fee for the STB? |
| [20:05:33] | sphery: | and especially when renting one cable card versus 3x stbs |
| [20:06:10] | high-rez: | The only downside is there's no guarantee of the copy freely flag being applied to all the non premium content, right? |
| [20:06:22] | high-rez: | (That is over time, they can change this at any time) |
| [20:07:07] | high-rez: | I should give them a call and see what their real price structure is. It's impossible to tell from their webpage. |
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| [20:07:33] | iamlindoro: | Cablecard rentals are free for the first if it's your only equipment in most markets |
| [20:07:42] | iamlindoro: | Though it varies somewhat |
| [20:07:48] | iamlindoro: | GEnerally not more than $2/month |
| [20:07:50] | high-rez: | (Any of you care to share what you pay per month with them, normal rate pricing without the 2 year contract?) |
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| [20:08:28] | iamlindoro: | I pay $99/month for phone, internet, and the full digital package. |
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| [20:09:08] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Is this everythinf without the premiums I assume? |
| [20:09:30] | iamlindoro: | basically |
| [20:09:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | $5.99 a month here for a cablecard with Cox. |
| [20:09:53] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: How did you end up doing CCI-wise, btw? |
| [20:10:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | got too involved with work the past week to get going on that. was debating switching to Verizon FIOS actually. |
| [20:10:57] | iamlindoro: | FIOS would be much better, everything copy-freely |
| [20:11:04] | iamlindoro: | and better quality to boot |
| [20:13:00] | high-rez: | Everything, inclduing premiums on fios? |
| [20:14:13] | iamlindoro: | Depends on the market, but sometimes, yes |
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| [20:25:12] | devinheitmueller: | Bear in mind the cablecards are $3.99 on FIOS (at least here in NYC) |
| [20:25:50] | devinheitmueller: | Amazing they can get away with charging $3.99 for a PCMCIA card when an entire HD cablebox is on $5.99. |
| [20:28:06] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:29:42] | sphery: | but it's actually 3 STBs, so $3.99 instead of $17.97 (or 4 STBs with appropriate hardware, which would mean instead of $23.96)! |
| [20:30:00] | sphery: | they're giving you a $20 discount |
| [20:30:11] | sphery: | (joking) |
| [20:30:23] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I'm not disagreeing about the economics for MythTV users. Just the difference in the raw hardware cost of an HD capable settop box containing a cablecard and just the cablecard. |
| [20:30:57] | sphery: | yeah, I understand--and agree |
| [20:31:01] | wagnerrp: | well the cable boxes are probably using the older, cheaper, single-stream cards |
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| [20:31:12] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: nah, they all have mcards. |
| [20:31:24] | devinheitmueller: | (even the HD cable boxes that only need a single stream) |
| [20:32:39] | ** wagnerrp wonders if its time for a moratorium on wiki account creation ** | |
| [20:32:53] | sphery: | it's likely a defensive pricing strategy--ensuring that the price is close to that of the STB means fewer users will resist the inertia of sticking with/getting cable-co-provided STBs |
| [20:33:05] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: yup |
| [20:33:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ooh, wonder how much I could sell mine for on ebay |
| [20:33:31] | sphery: | finally make some money off mythtv :) |
| [20:33:45] | wagnerrp: | havent you been getting your checks? |
| [20:34:01] | sphery: | what? checks? you guys must have forgotten me. |
| [20:34:32] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: and this is also why the cable companies lobbied the FCC to not require to put a line item for the cost of the cablecard for settop boxes in bills in the most recent ruling. |
| [20:35:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, wait.. I do have an e-mail about how my MythTV earnings are stuck in a bank account in Nigeria |
| [20:35:42] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: hehe, that's funny... and scary. hope the FCC required the line item |
| [20:35:57] | sphery: | transparent billing is very important to me, at least |
| [20:37:03] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: nope. It was on the list of suggestions that the FCC was considering, but in the end it didn't make the cut. |
| [20:37:12] | sphery: | wow |
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| [21:00:56] | noisymouse: | can someone help me debug my coredump? |
| [21:03:45] | high-rez: | Hmm coworker says that the first cablecard in my area is free |
| [21:04:14] | devinheitmueller: | high-rez: that is not uncommon, as long as you don't already have a cable box. |
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| [21:06:25] | high-rez: | I noticed that they include encore with one of their plans. I'm not sure – it's a movie channel – but not considered premium (like hbo, starz, showtime, cinemax). Does that mean it'll be copy freely? |
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| [21:08:04] | kormoc: | high-rez, I thought it was a premium |
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| [21:09:44] | high-rez: | kormoc: Me too, but its part of their digital prefferred package... |
| [21:10:31] | high-rez: | (And my reading of this, since they say you can get one premium channel, hbo, showtime, starz etc is that theyre not considering it premium – but I coudl be wrong) |
| [21:10:54] | noisymouse: | couldn't they still scramble it? |
| [21:11:15] | noisymouse: | should I use .24? |
| [21:11:33] | high-rez: | Fwiw, I just did a comparison between their starter and preferred digital packages (for HD) and OI came up with this: http://pastebin.com/fVT7Nspb (for HD only) |
| [21:11:51] | noisymouse: | (mythtv-setup crashes with .25) |
| [21:12:41] | noisymouse: | hmm... the only one of those I'd like is TCM... |
| [21:13:06] | iamlindoro: | Encore is a premium channel. It is highly unlikely to be copy-freely |
| [21:13:06] | high-rez: | (I imagine this is specirfic to my area, south king county wa) |
| [21:13:41] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Hmm. Ok so I guess that means that there's at least one channel that I'd be paying for but wouldn't be able to use in myth with the preferred package. |
| [21:14:56] | noisymouse: | local channels are required to be freely available, but where I am it's mixed as far as digital channels (including those "below 100") being scrambled |
| [21:15:07] | noisymouse: | that's with TWC |
| [21:15:15] | noisymouse: | in Los Angeles. |
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| [21:16:50] | noisymouse: | what's the benefit of .24 vs .23? |
| [21:18:25] | high-rez: | More cowbell? |
| [21:18:51] | noisymouse: | MORE COWBELL! |
| [21:19:07] | ** noisymouse pings the cowbell ** | |
| [21:19:50] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Any idea if channels like ifc, mgm and tcm would be considered premium? If so it pretty much counts out this plan from my books :) |
| [21:19:52] | noisymouse: | well I was having a lot of issues with file access with .24 |
| [21:20:19] | noisymouse: | like, "could not find x" when it's in the playlist type errors |
| [21:20:35] | iamlindoro: | IFC, MGM, and TCM are copy freely here |
| [21:25:49] | Beirdo: | note to all who may be interested... Beavis & Butthead is on the air again. |
| [21:26:05] | Beirdo: | and I will finally record soemthing from MTV. |
| [21:26:06] | high-rez: | Huh huh huh, shuttup beirdo |
| [21:26:14] | noisymouse: | it was on the air again? |
| [21:26:33] | Beirdo: | the episode I'll be recording tonight has an original airdate of yesterday, and is marked as episode 901 |
| [21:26:41] | ** noisymouse stoned ** | |
| [21:26:58] | Beirdo: | so, looks like it started back up... yesterday :) |
| [21:27:05] | Beirdo: | huuh huh... |
| [21:28:30] | noisymouse: | .24 branch is still being updated? |
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| [21:31:20] | noisymouse: | that cowbell must be sending a lot of 2ndary backend files |
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| [21:37:14] | sphery: | noisymouse: yeah, you should probably run 0.24-fixes, the stable release, versus the unstable/development version that will eventually become 0.25 |
| [21:37:49] | sphery: | unless you want to read and understand all the messages on the -commits and -dev mailing lists and spent a lot of time just keeping up (rather than doing things like, er, watching TV with your MythTV box) |
| [21:38:18] | Beirdo: | not that you can't keep up WHILE watching TV :) |
| [21:38:26] | ** sphery is a dev who keeps up with the lists and still runs 0.24-fixes (and only has the unstable/development version on his development box) ** | |
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| [21:38:41] | Beirdo: | wuss :) |
| [21:38:46] | ** Beirdo hides ** | |
| [21:38:53] | sphery: | Beirdo: you can't when you update and mythtv stops working and you don't know why because you haven't gotten caught up, yet :) |
| [21:38:56] | skd5aner: | seriously, wtf is up with hdd prices this week?! http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . amp;name=2TB |
| [21:39:05] | sphery: | skd5aner: Taiwanese floods |
| [21:39:07] | Beirdo: | sphery: well, good point |
| [21:39:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/10/27/wd_flooded_factory/ |
| [21:39:26] | skd5aner: | sphery: for real? |
| [21:39:45] | sphery: | yep... took out much of WD's manufacturing capability and Tosh was affected, too |
| [21:39:54] | sphery: | don't know about Seagate |
| [21:40:08] | skd5aner: | oh crapsticks |
| [21:40:10] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [21:40:23] | sphery: | likely to affect HDD pricing for at least the rest of this year |
| [21:40:24] | skd5aner: | what's samsung's excuse? supply and demand? |
| [21:40:55] | skd5aner: | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/tha . . . R1TO20111028 |
| [21:41:18] | sphery: | er, Thailand floods... |
| [21:41:46] | skd5aner: | crazy... sucks big time |
| [21:41:58] | skd5aner: | that said, at least I'm not under 5 ft of water, so it's all relative |
| [21:42:14] | skd5aner: | but I actually *need* a hdd :/ |
| [21:42:35] | sphery: | seems Seagate (which is buying Samsung) was affected, too (adjusted shipment expectations for 4Q from 55M down to 40–50M)... WD factories are expected to take from 4 to 6 months to resume normal production |
| [21:42:38] | Beirdo: | then buy one |
| [21:43:12] | sphery: | but Seagate is expected to take #1 position this quarter due to WD's troubles |
| [21:43:16] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I might have to... but I'd prefer to pay the $80's they were easy to find for 2 months ago, than the $140 you have to pay now :P |
| [21:43:57] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, interesting how in this global economy a flood in one location can have such a pronounced effect on a product |
| [21:44:35] | sphery: | unfortunately not only is most of the HDD manufacturing there in Thailand, but also all the support industries for HDD manufacturing exist there, too (and many/most component suppliers) |
| [21:47:54] | skd5aner: | yea – might be a long time before this recovers |
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| [22:15:55] | ** iamlindoro wonders when people who call "memory leak" will learn to prove it with valgrind ** | |
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| [22:26:19] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: that timing can be directly corrolated to when hell freezes over. |
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| [22:43:05] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [22:43:22] | Beirdo: | it pushes his 768MB RAM system into swap... |
| [22:43:27] | Beirdo: | buy more RAM! |
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