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| [00:12:17] | wagnerrp: | asian actress sues IMDB for disclosing her birth date (and age) on their site |
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| [00:14:23] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: the only picture control that seemed different was for hue |
| [00:14:38] | devinheitmueller: | Well, that would be a good place to start. |
| [00:14:41] | taylorr: | basically under windows hue is -30 – +30 |
| [00:14:46] | devinheitmueller: | The person I talked to specifically said to look at hue. |
| [00:14:59] | taylorr: | hue of 0 is 0xF |
| [00:15:11] | devinheitmueller: | I've never actually seen a screenshot of the video myself, so I couldn't say if hue was the only problem. |
| [00:15:30] | taylorr: | hue of -30 is 0x0 |
| [00:15:40] | taylorr: | hue of +30 is 0x1E |
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| [00:15:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, did you clean the tmdb page, yet |
| [00:16:05] | sphery: | protect the community and all :) |
| [00:16:08] | taylorr: | so it looks like you take the abs(hue) and right shift one bit then add or subtract from 0xF (which is zero) |
| [00:16:25] | wagnerrp: | shes not listed, so no way to know who to clean |
| [00:16:27] | ** sphery waits for devinheitmueller to say, "hue got it" ** | |
| [00:16:35] | devinheitmueller: | hue got it. |
| [00:16:37] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [00:16:48] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:16:53] | devinheitmueller: | That should be trivial for you to tweak the Linux driver and see if it in fact works. |
| [00:17:08] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I'm still wondering if the older firmware honored picture controls at all |
| [00:17:23] | devinheitmueller: | Then you just need to make it conditional on the firmware revision (the driver does report the firmware rev, but I don't know if it saves it). |
| [00:17:43] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know. You would have to load the old firmware and see if they do anything. |
| [00:17:59] | devinheitmueller: | I would assume they did though. Why else would the code have been added for them. |
| [00:18:16] | taylorr: | for testing, I've modified the driver to set the picture control registers explicitly just like the windows driver |
| [00:18:31] | taylorr: | gotta wait until 9pm to test |
| [00:18:41] | sphery: | nice, taylorr ... even though I don't use HD-PVR (no cable TV), thanks for the work on this (and, as always, thanks for your work/info/help, too, devinheitmueller ). I know it will make a lot of people happy, and make HD-PVR easier for a lot of people |
| [00:18:47] | devinheitmueller: | You can just mplayer /dev/video0 and then use v4l2-ctl to change the value and see if it adjusts... |
| [00:18:48] | sphery: | seems many didn't know about the issues with the new firmware |
| [00:19:03] | taylorr: | I'm not sure I've figured it out ye |
| [00:19:04] | taylorr: | yet |
| [00:19:27] | sphery: | well, it's progress, at least--much better than if everyone just waits for someoen else to work on it |
| [00:19:44] | taylorr: | right, when I dump the picture controls with v4l-info it gives some strange values |
| [00:20:07] | taylorr: | something close to 32k – I dunno what that is all about |
| [00:20:30] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: they might be scaling the value from 0–0xffff, |
| [00:20:35] | taylorr: | the picture controls are just byte sized registers so I don't know how v4l could report a value more than 256 |
| [00:20:49] | taylorr: | that's what it seems like they are doing |
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| [00:20:55] | devinheitmueller: | You would have to look at the code. With 8 bit registers, it's typical to span the value across two registers. |
| [00:21:08] | devinheitmueller: | (e.g. reg1 = high 8 bits, reg2 = low 8 bits) |
| [00:21:09] | somethinginteres: | re-installed mythtv from a db backup. Everything working fine, expect: I have issues getting clear reception on ABC, a channel that was previously crystal clear. Please see: http://i.imgur.com/tGXuG.jpg |
| [00:21:16] | sphery: | somethinginteres: you sure that's a good URI? I'm getting "Bad Gateway" |
| [00:21:42] | sphery: | granted, that may well be my 'net connection (the finest-quality free wireless internet money can't buy) |
| [00:21:55] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I'm only seeing one-byte writes in the sniff usb logs |
| [00:22:00] | wagnerrp: | works for me |
| [00:22:08] | sphery: | they're using a squid proxy, here, and doesn't seem to be set up well |
| [00:22:24] | somethinginteres: | sphery: seems to work for me. How about: http://imgur.com/tGXuG |
| [00:22:31] | wagnerrp: | must have run out of oil and started overheating |
| [00:22:37] | sphery: | I've been fighting that plus a load-balancing internet connection that uses various IPs--which makes SPA a challenge |
| [00:23:03] | sphery: | ok, first URI worked this time |
| [00:23:12] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: sure, on the i2c bus they might be written one byte at a time. |
| [00:23:17] | sphery: | 2nd one gave me a "Imgur is over capacity!" |
| [00:23:33] | sphery: | I think it's the borked squid setup, here |
| [00:24:05] | sphery: | anyway, not sure what would cause that issue other than true signal issues? |
| [00:24:19] | somethinginteres: | sphery: well basically audio is fine I can "see" the channel but it's covered in purple lines all over it |
| [00:24:30] | sphery: | somethinginteres: have you verified that the problem is in the recording and not in playback by playing the recording on another system in another media player |
| [00:24:30] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: so with v4l-ctl would you set a control of 128 as 0x80 or 32k |
| [00:24:40] | sphery: | (ideally one that you know works properly for playback) |
| [00:24:51] | somethinginteres: | sphery: I haven't. I will try that |
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| [00:26:06] | sphery: | if it's playback, I'd have some guesses on things to try to fix it |
| [00:26:11] | somethinginteres: | sphery: are you aware of the default path for Records at all? |
| [00:26:18] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: 128 = 0x80 |
| [00:26:23] | sphery: | it's defined by your storage groups |
| [00:26:35] | sphery: | easiest way to see the list of all paths is to go to the Backend Status page |
| [00:26:48] | sphery: | http://<backendhostnameoripaddress>:6544/ |
| [00:27:04] | somethinginteres: | sphery: thanks |
| [00:27:05] | sphery: | I think it's 6544... |
| [00:27:16] | sphery: | look at the storage area for list of dirs |
| [00:27:56] | sphery: | "Disk Usage Details", it seems |
| [00:28:16] | somethinginteres: | sphery: found it. Will test now. |
| [00:31:06] | somethinginteres: | sphery: OK it seems to be clear in Totem Media Player |
| [00:32:16] | somethinginteres: | sphery: had to use /var/lib/mythtv/livetv as I'd deleted the botched recordings last night but I assume they're identical. |
| [00:32:47] | sphery: | somethinginteres: OK, let's try going into Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen and changing your Playback Profile group |
| [00:33:06] | sphery: | If you have VDPAU support and nvidia proprietary drivers, choose VDPAU Slim |
| [00:33:09] | sphery: | if not, choose Slim |
| [00:35:33] | somethinginteres: | sphery: seems to fix it. Let me just check the second channel I was having issue with. FYI the Profile was set to "CPU+" |
| [00:36:09] | sphery: | yeah, CPU+ is a terrible one--but, unfortunately, due to a bug in the old setting code, ends up as the one selected by default |
| [00:36:42] | sphery: | fwiw, that bug is fixed, now--because CPU+ (and CPU-- and CPU++) was removed (starting with 0.25) |
| [00:36:51] | sphery: | i.e. will be fixed in next version |
| [00:38:01] | sphery: | anyway, glad you got it working |
| [00:38:37] | Oleg_: | my Dad asks me if this thing will work with a set-top box from a cable company: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003IPC1WE |
| [00:39:38] | wagnerrp: | if you can run mythtv on an STB? |
| [00:39:39] | Oleg_: | if it's a qam tuner, it means it will work with a set-top box from a cable company? |
| [00:39:45] | wagnerrp: | or if you can get mythtv to record from an STB? |
| [00:39:48] | devinheitmueller: | Oleg_: analog support isn't implemented under Linux. |
| [00:39:58] | Oleg_: | no, my Dad runs Windows |
| [00:40:12] | devinheitmueller: | And ClearQAM only works for unencrypted cable. |
| [00:40:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, that device... |
| [00:40:36] | wagnerrp: | cable boxes do not output ATSC or QAM |
| [00:40:45] | wagnerrp: | its just crappy standard definition analog NTSC |
| [00:41:29] | Oleg_: | so, he won't be able to watch cable channels with this thing? |
| [00:41:49] | wagnerrp: | he can connect it directly to the wall, and get the clear qam (local broadcast) channels |
| [00:41:56] | somethinginteres: | sphery: well thanks for your help. Can I ask what was causing it that was fixed by the Profile change? |
| [00:42:14] | wagnerrp: | he can connect it to the cable box and get whatever channel the box is outputting in analog, but only in windows, not mythtv/linux |
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| [00:43:18] | sphery: | somethinginteres: XvMC was likely the cause--it's a very old approach to offloading some (what turns out to be a small part) of video decoding to the GPU |
| [00:43:40] | sphery: | VDPAU is the right way to do video decoding offload--but requires a new-enough nvidia card and nvidia proprietary drivers |
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| [00:44:05] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, but how will he able to receive qam channels if the cable company he's subscribed to uses a set-top box? |
| [00:44:26] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: what provider do you have? |
| [00:44:30] | sphery: | if you don't have that, Slim will give you software decode on the CPU with an efficient (but still old--20+ years old) transfer to video card for scaling |
| [00:44:31] | Oleg_: | he has cablevision |
| [00:45:04] | wagnerrp: | im just going to take a blind guess, and say everything but the local broadcast channels will be encrypted |
| [00:45:14] | wagnerrp: | he can access the local channels unencrypted with a QAM tuner |
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| [00:45:24] | jams: | well look at that xig no longer sells their version of X to end users. |
| [00:45:39] | sphery: | Oleg_: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [00:45:41] | devinheitmueller: | Oleg_: the problem is that more and more of the QAM channels are encrypted, requiring a cable card. If you want to do encrypted channels you need an HDHomeRun Prime or a Hauppauge DCR-2650 |
| [00:45:45] | wagnerrp: | everything else will have to be decrypted and decoded by the cable box, output over analog NTSC, and captured in analog by that device |
| [00:46:02] | somethinginteres: | sphery: right. No VDPAU for me unfortunately :) |
| [00:46:19] | sphery: | hehe, well, if you have the cpu for software decode, it works fine |
| [00:47:06] | sphery: | I only switched to a vdpau-capable GPU recently (though I still use software decode because it's more forgiving than the hardware decode) |
| [00:47:57] | somethinginteres: | sphery: yeah :) |
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| [00:48:46] | Oleg_: | Hauppauge DCR-2650 is supported on linux? |
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| [00:48:55] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [00:49:09] | wagnerrp: | it is accessed through an internal network |
| [00:49:20] | wagnerrp: | and there is a linux version of the network libraries to access it |
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| [00:49:37] | wagnerrp: | but there is no DVB API driver using those libraries |
| [00:49:42] | Oleg_: | but hdhomerun prime is better supported? |
| [00:49:56] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun (and DCR-2650) are one of the few devices mythtv has direct support for |
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| [00:50:05] | wagnerrp: | the DCR-2650 /is/ a HDHomeRun Prime |
| [00:51:36] | Oleg_: | any encrypted and premium channel can be captured with it? |
| [00:52:25] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only access channels marked 'copy freely' over it |
| [00:52:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not (and can not) support DRM, so it is not authorized to access any content that is copy protected |
| [00:53:01] | wagnerrp: | however note that copy protection and encryption are completely independent |
| [00:53:19] | wagnerrp: | unencrypted channels can be copy protected, and encrypted channels can be accessed through the HDHR |
| [00:58:12] | Oleg_: | ok, speaking of that pinnacle usb stick, Dad will have to pay his usual monthly fee to cablevision just to access unencrypted local qam channels? well, in this case, he doesn't need it |
| [01:01:44] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: the default picture controls for each channel at all set to 32768... even for hue |
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| [01:04:42] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: are you talking about the v4l2 controls, or the underlying registers? |
| [01:05:05] | devinheitmueller: | You'll probably have to look at the underlying code and see how they are correlated. 32768 is halfway between 0–65535 |
| [01:07:07] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I finally found v4l-ctl in ivtv-utils |
| [01:07:17] | taylorr: | looked all through the v4l packages |
| [01:07:48] | taylorr: | I'm noticing that we don't apply the picture controls that are configured for each channel |
| [01:08:14] | taylorr: | and it appears that the picture control values are exactly what it is set to in the driver |
| [01:08:30] | taylorr: | so it doesn't seem that myth is doing anything picture control wise |
| [01:10:02] | taylorr: | fyi, I'm discussing with jpabq over in #mythtv |
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| [01:24:57] | sphery: | "knock, knock, knocking on network's door" |
| [01:26:16] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:26:41] | sphery: | I hate round-robin-IP load-balancing of network connections... Makes it hard to connect to my Single-Packet-Authorization-protected network. |
| [01:26:45] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: got it figured out – picture controls for 0x15 are ignored by the firmware – the reason 0x17 was busted is because the default picture control values in the driver were wrong |
| [01:27:14] | wagnerrp: | the intelligent world hates round-robin-ip load balancing of network connections |
| [01:28:12] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's just cheaper for them to get 3x cable connections rather than one slightly-better connection or something? |
| [01:30:02] | ** wagnerrp hates nvidia network hardware ** | |
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| [03:36:12] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [03:43:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: any idea why the gentoo 3.0 source ebuild would be calling 'git fetch-pack'? |
| [03:43:49] | Beirdo: | why is it that I have a hankering for a cigar? |
| [03:44:01] | Beirdo: | ummm, because it's funky? :) |
| [03:44:13] | wagnerrp: | looks like all it did was 'git clone' |
| [03:44:14] | Beirdo: | that is part of what git pull uses, I believe |
| [03:44:24] | Beirdo: | or clone, yeah |
| [03:44:26] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [03:44:43] | wagnerrp: | but its got each and every tag it is fetching on the command line |
| [03:44:45] | wagnerrp: | its funky |
| [03:44:54] | wagnerrp: | the command line is like 1000 characters long |
| [03:44:56] | Beirdo: | you'd have to ask the person who wrote that part of the ebuild code :) |
| [03:45:10] | Beirdo: | seems rather silly to me |
| [03:45:11] | wagnerrp: | im saying i dont think its the ebuild doing it, i think its git |
| [03:45:34] | Beirdo: | ummm, dunno about that |
| [03:45:49] | Beirdo: | try doing a git clone by hand and check ps? |
| [03:46:36] | Beirdo: | hmmmmm. |
| [03:46:56] | Beirdo: | I'm tempted to use C++ instead of C for this. |
| [03:46:57] | Beirdo: | so sad |
| [03:47:05] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing? |
| [03:47:27] | Beirdo: | architecture planning for the GPU-based commflag attempt |
| [03:48:03] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if it would be better to just manually clone this the first time, so the ebuild doesnt try to do so subsequently |
| [03:55:19] | wagnerrp: | my new argument the next time i come across a vegan... http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2393#comic |
| [03:55:43] | jpabq: | Beirdo, thanks! |
| [03:56:30] | earthnative: | wagnerrp: no vegan would acept the statement in panel2 |
| [03:56:32] | [R]: | wagnerrp: im gonna send it to my vegan friend |
| [03:57:07] | wagnerrp: | earthnative: you mean, they deny reality and replace it with their own? |
| [03:57:25] | earthnative: | (I dated a pretty activist vegan for a while, I heard this specific argument a few times) |
| [03:57:53] | earthnative: | the vegan argument is the deliberateness of the death |
| [03:58:20] | earthnative: | you can't not kill the animals-for-meat by improving the farming practices |
| [03:58:38] | earthnative: | otoh, you can not-kill the small animals with better farming practices |
| [03:58:56] | earthnative: | to think that the argument has any validity is to totally miss the point of most vegans |
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| [04:11:42] | Beirdo: | to think that veganism has any validity.... never mind. |
| [04:11:49] | Beirdo: | jpabq: no problemo :) |
| [04:15:37] | wagnerrp: | f--k! |
| [04:16:11] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [04:16:30] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [04:16:55] | wagnerrp: | ive been screwing around with my init script, and rebuilding kernels, for several hours to figure out why this one system wont connect to the network properly |
| [04:17:08] | [R]: | they can say the s word on comedy central? |
| [04:17:23] | wagnerrp: | which is baffling because it boots off PXE, and pulls the kernel itself just fine |
| [04:17:27] | Beirdo: | [R]: yes. South Park proved that |
| [04:17:34] | [R]: | im watching south park right now |
| [04:17:41] | wagnerrp: | well digging around underneath the desk, i found a disconnected ethernet cable |
| [04:17:50] | wagnerrp: | which i momentarily thought was plugged into that machine |
| [04:17:56] | wagnerrp: | and hence causing all my problems |
| [04:17:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: OMG. |
| [04:18:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:18:17] | wagnerrp: | ... and then i realized that it was booting off PXE, and grabbing the kernel just fine |
| [04:18:22] | Beirdo: | if you were a monkey, you'd be flinging poo at the computer right now |
| [04:18:23] | wagnerrp: | so that was clearly not the problem |
| [04:18:43] | wagnerrp: | the detached wire went to the computer next to it |
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| [04:28:18] | Beirdo: | I wish the dang garbage truck would find another street to use to get to the nearby neighborhoods. 18th is not appropriate :) |
| [04:33:56] | [R]: | "we're going to have to throw eric cartman under the bus." "how do we do that?" "we get a bus, and throw eric cartman under it." |
| [04:33:57] | [R]: | HAHA |
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| [04:40:17] | Beirdo: | nice. |
| [04:40:47] | Beirdo: | I have a current recording that likes to make mythpreviewgen go crazy |
| [04:41:11] | Beirdo: | and I have another that just downright failed |
| [04:41:21] | ** Beirdo ignores the logs ** | |
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| [05:04:55] | Oleg_: | "hey, you, out in the cold, getting lonely, getting old, can you feel me?" |
| [05:05:41] | Beirdo: | no putting that in my head :) |
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| [05:34:35] | Beirdo: | OK, main loop for loading the file and queuing frames will loosely be based on ffmpeg (CLI tool) mainline, I think |
| [05:35:19] | wagnerrp: | seems whatever problem i was having is resolved in 306 |
| [05:35:25] | wagnerrp: | lets try the other machine... |
| [05:38:39] | wagnerrp: | no such luck |
| [05:39:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, because i had a e1000 in there for testing, and its using the wrong NIC |
| [05:40:30] | Beirdo: | that could do it |
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| [05:44:21] | wagnerrp: | there it goes |
| [05:45:55] | wagnerrp: | i guess ill update the images and reboot the lot of them |
| [05:47:56] | Beirdo: | Computers really suck at times |
| [05:48:11] | wagnerrp: | its back to doing the funky 20-second timeout |
| [05:48:15] | wagnerrp: | still not sure about that one |
| [05:48:48] | wagnerrp: | the init script starts around 5 seconds, and attempts to bring up the NIC |
| [05:49:07] | wagnerrp: | the NIC doesnt go live until 20.4 seconds |
| [05:49:15] | Beirdo: | odd |
| [05:49:25] | wagnerrp: | very consistently |
| [05:49:34] | wagnerrp: | like to a few tens of milliseconds each time |
| [05:49:36] | Beirdo: | you might wanna tcpdump capture at the server and see if there's anything odd n there |
| [05:49:52] | wagnerrp: | what good would tcpdump do? |
| [05:50:03] | Beirdo: | arps... etc |
| [05:50:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean its right around 20.4 when the forcedeth driver reports the card is active |
| [05:50:39] | Beirdo: | I dunno. can't hurt to see what's on the wire, but it may not help either |
| [05:50:40] | Beirdo: | oooooh |
| [05:50:45] | Beirdo: | that's odd |
| [05:52:24] | wagnerrp: | this system was the reason i set up the retry loop in the init script in the first place |
| [05:54:46] | Beirdo: | OK, OK. I think I might just use Qt... |
| [05:54:48] | Beirdo: | BAH |
| [05:55:20] | Beirdo: | it's either that or import my own queues... but since we are already using Qt heavily... |
| [05:55:49] | wagnerrp: | going CUDA or OpenCL? |
| [05:55:58] | Beirdo: | OpenCL, I think |
| [05:56:09] | Beirdo: | which uses CUDA on nvidia cards anyways |
| [05:56:27] | wagnerrp: | dont want to draw the ire of users complaining were a bunch of nvidia shills? |
| [05:56:28] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:56:36] | Beirdo: | but that would give the most chance of using AMD or Intel later too |
| [05:56:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:56:47] | Beirdo: | yeah that too a bit |
| [05:56:48] | wagnerrp: | intel? |
| [05:56:50] | ** wagnerrp chuckles ** | |
| [05:57:13] | Beirdo: | although I plan on using VDPAU for decoding if possible and applicable |
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| [05:57:41] | wagnerrp: | might want to check out the xbmc code |
| [05:57:52] | Beirdo: | and then do some buffer handling HOPEFULLY in the GPU to get that buffer to OpenCL |
| [05:57:54] | wagnerrp: | i know they extract the decoded frames as an opengl buffer |
| [05:58:04] | wagnerrp: | when using vdpau and vaapi |
| [05:58:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's not hard. |
| [05:58:15] | wagnerrp: | the way their UI is configured demands it |
| [05:58:16] | Beirdo: | cool, I'll reference them. |
| [05:58:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's not hard, but it's also not well documented in many places :) |
| [05:59:04] | Beirdo: | so we shall see |
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| [06:01:20] | Beirdo: | anyways, I've used my brain enough for one night :) |
| [06:01:36] | Beirdo: | heh, I think bed is beckoning as soon as this show is over |
| [06:01:39] | wagnerrp: | time to poison it? |
| [06:02:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i dont feel like waiting for the system to finish compiling all this crap |
| [06:02:42] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed too |
| [06:03:06] | Beirdo: | oh, I poisoned it enough on the weekend |
| [06:03:08] | wagnerrp: | be nice if i could one-shot the whole thing |
| [06:03:21] | wagnerrp: | ive got most of the big parts to do that written |
| [06:03:31] | wagnerrp: | but im missing a lot of tweaking and a bit of glue |
| [06:04:50] | Beirdo: | UGH |
| [06:04:56] | Beirdo: | I just had a horrid thought |
| [06:04:59] | wagnerrp: | ive got to log into the build machine, mount a bunch of iscsi and nfs paths, chroot in, generate new ebuilds to update myth, rebuild world, then shut everything down and cycle the images |
| [06:05:23] | Beirdo: | I need to use PTS for all the queuing to match up to the audio |
| [06:05:48] | Beirdo: | and frame number on the video frames to generate the commflag map in the end |
| [06:06:07] | Beirdo: | (I hope to do audio processing in the commflag runs) |
| [06:16:23] | Beirdo: | welp... bed |
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| [07:07:20] | justinh: | heh. just edited some channels & am running livetv to test and er... WOW. How bad does the channel change time suck on this box? LOL |
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| [08:44:40] | justinh: | hmm. if apple airplay has been reverse-cobbled, does that mean I could possibly use an airplay output device without itunes? |
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| [09:15:36] | lapion: | can anyone remind me where I can set if upnp devices get to see recordings or the videos folder ? |
| [09:19:01] | lapion: | nvm, it was a setting for wmp clients, and not upnp clients.. |
| [09:20:00] | lapion: | I was however wondering if there is a way to get the mac (itunes?) client to connect to either the upnp or the wmp client |
| [09:20:16] | lapion: | oops s/client/server |
| [09:21:00] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:21:30] | justinh: | this came up on the -users ML the other day. somebody is working on it, they said |
| [09:21:48] | justinh: | FFS. airplay devices won't do FLAC? GAH |
| [09:22:03] | justinh: | I'm damned if I'm gonna transcode all my CD rips |
| [09:22:28] | justinh: | although it might work with mp3fs, which I already use |
| [09:31:35] | justinh: | heh having seen the price of Airport Express I don't think I'll bother |
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| [09:32:00] | justinh: | more fun, and much cheaper to buy a linuxy router & add USB audio to it :D |
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| [10:26:42] | justinh: | Wow. All this time at work I've been sitting next to the guy who owned the company who made the ZTX5000 modem for ZX Spectrums – he designed em too |
| [10:37:38] | jduggan_: | claim to fame :D |
| [10:40:05] | justinh: | and it turns out the bloke who just left the company has done a whole 128k zx spectrum on an FPGA |
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| [11:36:41] | hashbang: | justinh: that's pretty cool. I wanted one of those Prism VTX5000 modems back in the day, but the telephone bill costs meant my parents flat-out refused to let me use one. Probably for the best, with hindsight... |
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| [11:48:56] | justinh: | I was on Prestel/Micronet for a little while |
| [11:49:12] | justinh: | *way* ahead of its time |
| [11:50:10] | justinh: | Micronet was very profitable for the company running it, but they wound it down saying that they didn't see anybody wanting to connect home computers to a wide network |
| [11:54:51] | justinh: | ROFL. "Westlife have split. I had no idea Louis Walsh was so well endowed" |
| [11:55:12] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [11:57:03] | justinh: | gah why isn't *somebody* making proper hardware MPD clients? |
| [11:57:31] | justinh: | I don't want to pay upwards of £300 for a couple of networked audio streamers |
| [11:57:32] | Oleg_: | hi |
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| [13:04:10] | justinh: | hmm. stupid USB on our DVRs still isn't reliable |
| [13:04:25] | justinh: | and nobody is willing to spend money hiring proper test gear :-\ |
| [13:04:47] | justinh: | the analyser we have will show that the protocol handshake is going wrong but it won't tell us why |
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| [13:14:50] | squidly: | Anyone have the Centronix CableCard working? |
| [13:15:23] | squidly: | I mean Centro |
| [13:15:31] | squidly: | ahh never mind.. |
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| [14:45:54] | wagnerrp: | squidly: centon? |
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| [14:51:46] | iamlindoro: | Ceton |
| [14:52:42] | wagnerrp: | er, yeah, them |
| [14:52:59] | wagnerrp: | they dont sell cablecards |
| [14:53:08] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
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| [15:26:58] | squidly: | yea like I said never mind. I ment that PCIe cablecard device. IT looks like they do have linux drivers for it. |
| [15:27:27] | wagnerrp: | they have linux network drivers, yes |
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| [15:33:10] | squidly: | but it looks like the code to run them is not in myth yet. Am I correct in that? Or is the code in 0.25? |
| [15:33:56] | wagnerrp: | a user wrote some 3rd party code capable of recording from that device, but there is no official support as of yet |
| [15:34:50] | jams: | that patch seems to work well in .24 |
| [15:35:04] | wagnerrp: | youve tried it? |
| [15:35:25] | jams: | i personally have not, but I know a few ppl who have |
| [15:35:30] | jams: | they use it on a daily basis |
| [15:35:41] | wagnerrp: | close enough |
| [15:35:52] | wagnerrp: | im always a bit reluctant to take the word of a couple people on a mailing list |
| [15:36:00] | jams: | my ceton is still in the box :( |
| [15:36:07] | squidly: | lol wagnerrp |
| [15:36:33] | squidly: | how would you compair the HDHomerun Prive to the Centon? or have you done any type of comparison? |
| [15:37:32] | wagnerrp: | one less tuner, cheaper, and with mythtv support tested and in large part written by silicondust |
| [15:37:41] | jams: | btw wagnerrp that mythtv-setup problem was due to a stray .24 lib I missed while switching versions |
| [15:39:24] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ok.. I think I may stick with the then. I'm dropping my Satalite TV for this.. Makes life easier.. Unless you know of an IPTV source I could get directly in to Myth? |
| [15:39:44] | wagnerrp: | i think theres one up in canada |
| [15:39:54] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
| [15:40:43] | squidly: | Comcast |
| [15:41:10] | squidly: | Just trying to keep my costs down ya know? |
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| [16:39:41] | jm|laptop: | I have zero EIT data for my Freesat DVB-S2 channels :/ |
| [16:40:33] | jm|laptop: | when dvb_eitscan is set to 1 in capturecard, it should try to gather EIT data, right? |
| [16:40:53] | wagnerrp: | there are two modes for EIT |
| [16:41:11] | wagnerrp: | theres passive scan, which pulls EIT data when you are actually watching the channel |
| [16:41:24] | wagnerrp: | and active scan, which starts up five minutes after the backend goes idle |
| [16:41:45] | jm|laptop: | I see |
| [16:41:53] | jm|laptop: | well I rarely use those channels, so I guess I need active |
| [16:41:55] | Oleg_: | what is eit? |
| [16:42:53] | wagnerrp: | broadcast guide data |
| [16:43:24] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: where do I set it to active, please? |
| [16:44:02] | wagnerrp: | should be in general settings, in mythtv-setup |
| [16:44:08] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I have schedulesdirect, do I still need to have eit? |
| [16:44:27] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: you need schedules direct because EIT is complete garbage over here |
| [16:44:47] | wagnerrp: | FCC only mandates 12 hours, and its rare to find a station with more than 1–2 days |
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| [16:45:06] | wagnerrp: | when they do broadcast it, it is often wrong, or with limited information |
| [16:45:22] | wagnerrp: | and may very well be just a bunch of 30 minute "Unknown Program"s |
| [16:45:27] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [16:47:50] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: in EIT Scanner Options I have EIT transport timeout [5m] and Idle before crawl [60s] |
| [16:53:13] | iamlindoro: | jm|laptop: You didn't import your channels with a channels.conf, did you? |
| [16:53:39] | iamlindoro: | (because if so, EIT will never work-- you need to use the MythTV scanner to get EIT) |
| [16:53:52] | jm|laptop: | no |
| [16:53:57] | jm|laptop: | I am trying a rescan, anyway |
| [16:54:49] | Oleg_: | and how good is eit in European countries? |
| [16:55:02] | wagnerrp: | depends on the station |
| [16:55:08] | wagnerrp: | some are decent, some are crap |
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| [17:31:56] | Oleg_: | why does it always say "signal 0 %" in mythtv, even when I don't have reception problems? |
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| [17:32:05] | jm|laptop: | after my channel scan visible is set to 127 in `channel` |
| [17:32:16] | jm|laptop: | is that a special value? |
| [17:32:24] | jm|laptop: | (they're invisible) |
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| [17:41:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: around? |
| [17:41:13] | jm|laptop: | hm |
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| [17:42:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just wondering if preview images would be cataloged after the recordedfile schema rework |
| [17:42:57] | wagnerrp: | which would in turn automatically fix any problems related to #8471 |
| [17:46:10] | wagnerrp: | !seen nordle |
| [17:46:10] | MythLogBot: | nordle was last seen 17 hours 47 minutes 53 seconds ago |
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| [18:37:00] | ** Beirdo cues Metallica – Kill 'em All ** | |
| [18:37:10] | Beirdo: | that should do for waking me up, I hope |
| [18:58:09] | Oleg_: | now I have a usb tv tuner. I'll test it on freebsd |
| [18:59:18] | justinh: | Oleg_: drivers often don't report signal conditions the way mythtv expects them to |
| [18:59:42] | justinh: | FWIW you should ignore whatever mythtv claims because of this |
| [18:59:47] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [19:00:00] | justinh: | then again I dunno if anybody's ever opened a ticket for it |
| [19:01:05] | justinh: | femon is about the only reliable way I know, but even then you have to know how to interpret the numbers it outputs |
| [19:01:31] | justinh: | part of the problem is that different tuners measure signal level different way, so I was once told |
| [19:01:49] | Oleg_: | this usb stick even has a trial version of mpeg-4 for recording, which is compatible with ipod and psp |
| [19:01:59] | justinh: | some measure the voltage of the automatic gain control, others do it differently |
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| [19:02:18] | justinh: | Oleg_: a digital card with onboard transcoding? LOL. Not in linux |
| [19:03:07] | justinh: | what they likely mean is that the windows software that came bundled with it can transcode recorded content from the stick to mpeg4 |
| [19:03:28] | Oleg_: | I don't even know what "onboard transcoding" means. I simply told you what I read. |
| [19:03:35] | Oleg_: | oh, ok |
| [19:03:49] | justinh: | what I mean is the stick isn't gonna turn anything into mpeg4 |
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| [19:04:03] | justinh: | they've likely just provided software to do it for you |
| [19:04:40] | justinh: | unless of course it really has a processor on the stick to do it – in which case it's very unlikely it'd be supported on anything like linux |
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| [19:18:08] | Oleg_: | ok, will test it on freebsd now |
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| [19:26:50] | Oleg_: | ok, so I loaded the kernel module for webcamd |
| [19:27:00] | Oleg_: | and inserted the usb stick |
| [19:37:48] | justinh: | webcamd? this doesn't sound like a usb tv tuner |
| [19:42:05] | justinh: | oh yeah that's one of the things about freebsd. you might be lucky if any video hardware works |
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| [20:03:01] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i wonder if he understood that webcamd only acts as an interpreter layer for linux tuner drivers |
| [20:03:10] | wagnerrp: | if its not supported under linux, hes still boned |
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| [20:05:17] | justinh: | ah |
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| [20:19:13] | justinh: | grr. stupid ebay people. squeezebox duet can be had online for under £100. on ebay, 2nd hand models are going for more than that plus postage |
| [20:19:23] | Oleg_: | looks like webcamd recognized the tuner |
| [20:19:40] | justinh: | why freebsd for a mythtv backend anyway? |
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| [20:20:33] | Beirdo: | because you already have FreeBSD running? |
| [20:21:04] | Oleg_: | because I have freebsd, linux, and Windows installed :) |
| [20:22:21] | ** justinh raises his crucifix at the thought of VMs ** | |
| [20:22:58] | wagnerrp: | presumably not all that the same time? |
| [20:23:22] | Oleg_: | of course |
| [20:23:40] | wagnerrp: | well a lot of users seem to think running everything in VMs is a good idea |
| [20:23:44] | Oleg_: | I mean, I don't run them in virtual machines |
| [20:23:55] | justinh: | so multibooting a mythtv system? rather you than me |
| [20:23:57] | wagnerrp: | with no real clue as to what VMs actually do or dont do |
| [20:27:17] | Oleg_: | of course, I boot them physically |
| [20:27:19] | justinh: | aren't they the answer to all problems? security, stability, flexibility? |
| [20:27:37] | justinh: | still, multibooting a mythtv system? can only lead to disappointment IMHO |
| [20:28:15] | Oleg_: | if everything works fine, there should be no disappointment |
| [20:28:35] | wagnerrp: | security? any decent border security will mean your VM will only be able to be compromised by someone who knows what theyre doing |
| [20:28:47] | wagnerrp: | in which case they will likely be able to come up with a way to break out of the vm |
| [20:29:07] | wagnerrp: | stability? if the machine crashes, it crashes... whether that is a physical or virtual machine |
| [20:29:17] | justinh: | Oleg_: I mean, whoops.. I was still running the other OS when a recording was due to be started |
| [20:29:33] | wagnerrp: | sure, it wont take down everything else running on that system, but its pretty damn hard for an application to panic the kernel |
| [20:29:46] | justinh: | wagnerrp: okay so why do so many people have a misguided view about VMs? |
| [20:30:05] | wagnerrp: | flexibility? youre no more flexible than tossing around a disk image and chrooting into it |
| [20:30:31] | justinh: | all this, I already know. which is why I'm always puzzled by people clamouring to get busy with VMs at home |
| [20:30:46] | Oleg_: | in the past, I had a vm installed because I wanted to play Ubisoft chess on linux |
| [20:30:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: because containerization is a nice ability |
| [20:31:11] | wagnerrp: | and VM solutions are the only containerization solutions that heavily advertise |
| [20:31:48] | wagnerrp: | you cant sell jails or vservers because theyre an integrated part of the free operating system |
| [20:31:52] | Oleg_: | ok, now configuring the access to mythconverg database |
| [20:32:10] | Oleg_: | how can I access that database in mysql? |
| [20:32:18] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [20:32:43] | Oleg_: | I mean, I wanna set the password for that database |
| [20:33:03] | wagnerrp: | the password is set when you 'GRANT' access to the database |
| [20:34:21] | Oleg_: | I forgot, what file I can run that will automatically configure mysql server with the values mythconverg needs |
| [20:34:31] | wagnerrp: | mc.sql |
| [20:34:35] | Oleg_: | thanks |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | mysql -uroot -p < mc.sql |
| [20:35:54] | justinh: | I forgot, what's the project homepage which links to all the available documentation? |
| [20:37:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.org? |
| [20:39:43] | Oleg_: | oh, I forgot that freebsd installs all aditional stuff in /usr/local. took me a while to find mc.sql :) |
| [20:40:16] | wagnerrp: | honestly, ive never used the ports tree version |
| [20:40:35] | Oleg_: | what do you mean? it's 0.24.1 |
| [20:40:44] | Oleg_: | what's wrong with the ports version? |
| [20:40:47] | wagnerrp: | ive never used it |
| [20:40:54] | wagnerrp: | so if it does additional stuff, i dont know of it |
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| [20:51:05] | Oleg_: | ok, I am having this problem: |
| [20:51:08] | Oleg_: | 2011-10–20 16:49:21.732 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [20:51:08] | Oleg_: | 2011-10–20 16:49:39.993 Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0. |
| [20:51:08] | Oleg_: | 2011-10–20 16:49:39.995 Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0. |
| [20:51:34] | wagnerrp: | is there a /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [20:52:08] | Oleg_: | yes |
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| [20:52:16] | Oleg_: | webcamd created it |
| [20:52:28] | wagnerrp: | what user are you trying to run mythtv-setup as? |
| [20:52:35] | Oleg_: | as a home user |
| [20:52:46] | Oleg_: | you mean, for the database? |
| [20:52:53] | Oleg_: | what do you mean? |
| [20:52:53] | wagnerrp: | no, system user |
| [20:52:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: FreeBSD supports DVB devices? Thought it was only v4l for some reason |
| [20:53:07] | wagnerrp: | does the system user have read and write permissions to that path? |
| [20:53:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: supposedly |
| [20:53:18] | wagnerrp: | ive never tried it myself |
| [20:53:25] | Oleg_: | ok, if it doesn't, I need to do chmod a+rwx, right? |
| [20:53:45] | wagnerrp: | no, you should change your devfs rules to do so for you |
| [20:54:05] | Oleg_: | too n00b for that |
| [20:54:29] | wagnerrp: | if you do it manually, you will have to do it manually every time you restart |
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| [20:54:54] | wagnerrp: | look through /etc/defaults/devfs.rules and /etc/devfs.rules |
| [20:54:59] | wagnerrp: | the syntax is simple enough |
| [20:55:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i think dekarl mentioned he was using it about a year ago |
| [20:56:20] | Oleg_: | ok, it should be "add path dvb unhide"? |
| [20:56:46] | wagnerrp: | unhide means you can see it, no... you want to be doing something that sets ownership and permissions |
| [20:57:15] | wagnerrp: | hide/unhide is to literally mask devices from use |
| [20:57:21] | Oleg_: | I didn't need to change those permissions on linux |
| [20:57:23] | wagnerrp: | so you can have a limited /dev in a jail |
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| [20:57:49] | wagnerrp: | thats because your distro came with udev rules to map those devices to the 'video' group with proper permissions |
| [21:00:05] | Oleg_: | ok, I have no clue how to edit this file, so I'll just run chmod a+rwx on /dev/dvb and /dev/input |
| [21:02:21] | Oleg_: | ok, running channel scan now |
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| [21:07:48] | Oleg_: | it failed to find any channels |
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| [21:11:24] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [21:43:23] | Beirdo: | cacti... can... kiss.... my... fat... butt... |
| [21:43:34] | Beirdo: | I so hate this program lately |
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| [21:50:11] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: you found the spines? |
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| [21:58:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm still pulling them outta me |
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| [22:01:57] | Oleg_: | I can't find any channels on linux or freebsd with this usb stick |
| [22:02:44] | Oleg_: | what should I do? |
| [22:03:19] | Beirdo: | panic |
| [22:03:26] | Beirdo: | it's always a good chice |
| [22:03:29] | Beirdo: | choice rather |
| [22:06:51] | Oleg_: | let's try it on Windows |
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| [22:14:26] | justinh: | there's always trying it with non-mythtv apps on linux/bsd of course |
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| [22:26:47] | Beirdo: | testing the hardware from Windows first is a likely good step |
| [22:29:52] | justinh: | not necessarily. I mean I never really got my first dvb-t tuner to work in windows. hence me coming over to the dark side ;) |
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| [22:54:26] | Beirdo: | come on, codeine... do your trick. |
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| [23:01:52] | ** Beirdo unpauses the Metallica ** | |
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| [23:12:39] | dardack: | can anyone refresh my memory on where the delete recordings slowly or w/e it's called now is? |
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| [23:16:06] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, channel scan finds nothing, so I installed w_scan from ports and it gives me this output: http://pastebin.com/KdU4jCcQ |
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| [23:18:54] | Beirdo: | Heheh, the Journey/Foreigner/Night Ranger concert tomorrow is apparently sold-out |
| [23:19:02] | Beirdo: | glad I bought the ticket months ago |
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| [23:24:37] | justinh: | Oleg_: so looks like he no worky then |
| [23:25:00] | Oleg_: | but I just checked that it works on Windows, but on linux or freebsd |
| [23:25:09] | justinh: | try on linux instead – and don't overlook the fact it may need firmware |
| [23:25:35] | Beirdo: | if it works in Windows, at least you've ruled out a dud piece of hardware |
| [23:25:43] | justinh: | yup :-) |
| [23:25:46] | ** justinh goes to bed ** | |
| [23:25:52] | Beirdo: | and bad antenna |
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| [23:26:46] | wagnerrp: | codeine? pulling out the big guns |
| [23:26:47] | Beirdo: | ahhh, downtuned bass. Sounds good to me today. |
| [23:27:00] | Beirdo: | yup, it's the marginal migraine that wants to be. |
| [23:27:12] | Beirdo: | I will not allow such shenanigans. |
| [23:27:27] | wagnerrp: | probably wouldnt be so bad without the bassy death metal |
| [23:27:31] | Beirdo: | the overhead lighting at work seems about 4 times brighter than it should be |
| [23:27:40] | Beirdo: | no, actually, that HELPS |
| [23:27:42] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:28:00] | mattwj2002: | hey guys buddy pals |
| [23:28:01] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [23:28:17] | mattwj2002: | any way I could get some help with mythexport? |
| [23:28:56] | Beirdo: | yay, another third-party exporter? |
| [23:28:56] | wagnerrp: | try #mythbuntu |
| [23:29:26] | mattwj2002: | is that a mythbuntu only thing? |
| [23:29:30] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:29:33] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [23:30:20] | lapion: | is mytharchive 3rd party as well ? |
| [23:30:28] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [23:30:33] | wagnerrp: | just largely unused |
| [23:30:40] | Beirdo: | no, that's an official plugin, but it needs some love |
| [23:30:51] | lapion: | and mytharchive can be used to import aswell ? |
| [23:31:03] | Beirdo: | not that I recall |
| [23:31:05] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive can import stuff created by mytharchive |
| [23:31:09] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [23:31:27] | lapion: | import into myth-recordings ? |
| [23:31:32] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
| [23:31:52] | wagnerrp: | northern irish man jailed after failed alchemy experiment |
| [23:32:06] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [23:32:19] | wagnerrp: | seems he piled a large amount of feces and fertilizer in his basement, on a portable heater |
| [23:32:30] | wagnerrp: | he burned down several homes |
| [23:32:32] | Beirdo: | ummm. |
| [23:32:47] | Beirdo: | making biogas in your basement... bad. |
| [23:32:50] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:33:04] | wagnerrp: | he was trying to make /gold/ out of a gallon of his own feces |
| [23:33:08] | Beirdo: | memorable, but bad |
| [23:33:13] | Beirdo: | gold!? |
| [23:33:14] | wagnerrp: | not biogas, gold |
| [23:33:17] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
| [23:33:22] | wagnerrp: | i did say alchemy |
| [23:33:38] | lapion: | but... biogas.... IS...... gold |
| [23:33:38] | Beirdo: | sorry, dude. You'll get CH4 and CO2 and some H2S |
| [23:34:02] | Beirdo: | and a rather large explosion if you're not careful :) |
| [23:34:17] | wagnerrp: | hydrogen sulfide? didnt know we had a lot of sulfur in our systems |
| [23:34:27] | Beirdo: | not a lot, but a bit |
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| [23:34:47] | Beirdo: | that "rotten egg" smell |
| [23:35:10] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, my s--t doesnt have that rotten egg smell |
| [23:35:11] | lapion: | remembr it's refuse.. so it exits the body.. probably entered and got refused |
| [23:35:14] | wagnerrp: | it just has that s--t smell |
| [23:35:30] | Beirdo: | hehe :) I guess it all depends on what you eat |
| [23:35:52] | Beirdo: | onions have fairly high Sulphur content, IIRC |
| [23:36:23] | Beirdo: | especially raw |
| [23:36:44] | wagnerrp: | most of the time i use onions, theyre sauted |
| [23:36:51] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:36:58] | Beirdo: | smart move |
| [23:37:14] | wagnerrp: | everyone loves carmelization |
| [23:37:24] | lapion: | so that's why all toilets have that yelowy color |
| [23:37:43] | Beirdo: | lapion: no, that's because people are too lazy to flush |
| [23:37:47] | Beirdo: | duh ;) |
| [23:38:15] | lapion: | sulfur-gas...neon-yellow |
| [23:38:41] | Beirdo: | dude, if you have that in your toilet, you are .... hosed. |
| [23:39:04] | lapion: | just add electrodes and the toilet could light the home for a month |
| [23:39:38] | wagnerrp: | add some oxygen, and have your toilet melt through the floor |
| [23:39:56] | Beirdo: | H2SO4... not THAT bad... oh wait! :) |
| [23:40:35] | lapion: | time for beddy bye.... |
| [23:40:51] | Beirdo: | at 4:40pm. :) Nice hours. |
| [23:40:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:40:58] | lapion: | nn Sulfite producing brethren |
| [23:41:15] | wagnerrp: | sulfide |
| [23:41:20] | lapion: | it's 01:41 so past 00:00 |
| [23:41:30] | wagnerrp: | sulfite is H2SO3 |
| [23:41:49] | Beirdo: | H2SO4 is sulfuric acid |
| [23:41:56] | wagnerrp: | which is sulfate |
| [23:41:59] | Beirdo: | yummy battery acid |
| [23:42:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, usually forms sulfates |
| [23:42:37] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean chemically... SO4 is sulfate, SO3 is sulfite |
| [23:42:46] | wagnerrp: | S is just sulfide |
| [23:42:58] | Beirdo: | S is elemental sulfur :) |
| [23:43:06] | wagnerrp: | the suffix determines the oxygenation |
| [23:43:12] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:43:12] | wagnerrp: | i mean when part of a molecule |
| [23:43:20] | Beirdo: | been a while, but that I do remember |
| [23:43:38] | ** Beirdo wants to play with chemistry again sometime ** | |
| [23:43:49] | Beirdo: | biogas or biodiesel would be a good way |
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| [23:45:37] | lapion: | when does it become light emitting again ? |
| [23:46:00] | wagnerrp: | when does what? |
| [23:47:49] | lapion: | sulfer |
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| [23:47:52] | lapion: | sulfur |
| [23:47:59] | wagnerrp: | why would it emit light? |
| [23:48:37] | lapion: | sulfur based oleds |
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| [23:48:56] | lapion: | sulfur based crt's |
| [23:49:11] | wagnerrp: | CRTs arent sulfur based |
| [23:49:22] | wagnerrp: | they /might/ have a sulfur compound in the phosphor layer |
| [23:52:34] | Beirdo: | likely zinc sulfide |
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| [23:53:18] | lapion: | yeah brushed up on that one just now.. |
| [23:53:45] | lapion: | found all about it on the big great wikipedia |
| [23:54:06] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, any idea why I can't detect any channels with this tuner on linux or freebsd? |
| [23:54:25] | wagnerrp: | the tuner or the drivers are broken |
| [23:54:31] | wagnerrp: | or your antenna is too weak |
| [23:54:34] | Oleg_: | on windows, it detected channels |
| [23:54:47] | wagnerrp: | then its possibly a driver issue |
| [23:55:00] | wagnerrp: | if you cant get it working on linux, there is no point to even trying on freebsd |
| [23:55:33] | Beirdo: | I'd forgotten how much I liked this song. |
| [23:55:40] | Beirdo: | Metallica – Orion |
| [23:56:00] | wagnerrp: | was that on ride the lightning? |
| [23:56:10] | wagnerrp: | its primarily instrumental isnt it? |
| [23:56:16] | Beirdo: | Master of Puppets, and yes, instrumental |
| [23:56:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, MoP... only one year later |
| [23:57:27] | Oleg_: | ok, rebooting |
| [23:57:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, not much good came after the early 90s |
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| [23:57:44] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [23:57:57] | lapion: | Oleg_, If you are using analog, forget about it you have to manually enter the frequencies, I have tried several cards with differing chipsets none of them ca scan channels under recent mythtv 23.x and 24.x, have not tried a recent 25.x though |
| [23:57:59] | Beirdo: | they had a few good songs since, but very few |
| [23:58:02] | wagnerrp: | but nooooo... it was napster that was causing their decline in sales |
| [23:59:01] | Beirdo: | "some critics have called Master of Puppets the best metal album ever recorded" – from Steve Huey of Allmusic |
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