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| [01:58:55] | sphery: | wonder how long until I get called a Schedules Direct pusher, again |
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| [01:59:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | you probably have trac marks all up and down your arms |
| [02:00:05] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [02:43:34] | k-man: | so i've made this mac homebrew script to build mythtv – and it works very well at building it, but the resulting binary has a focus issue. when I enter a menu and then exit again, it seems as though the focus gets lost or captured by the incorrect screen and so keyboard input doesn't work after that. any ideas how I could debug that? |
| [02:44:02] | k-man: | is that something I could post to the dev list? |
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| [02:56:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo, iamlindoro: im about to delete that page with a big explanation on the user's page as to why |
| [02:56:48] | wagnerrp: | any last words? |
| [03:00:08] | Beirdo: | sounds good to me |
| [03:00:39] | wagnerrp: | do we have any page outlining 'no no' topics like for the mailing list and irc channel? |
| [03:01:08] | Beirdo: | not sure, but it could just be extended at worst, no? |
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| [03:12:26] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I would like to know something. You told me that even tivo eventually deletes all the stuff recorded from HBO and Showtime. But what makes it so easy for pirates to record stuff from those channels and upload it on the internet? |
| [03:13:15] | wagnerrp: | either theyre using analog capture, or theyre using a hacked STB to record off satellite |
| [03:13:27] | Perdignus: | Hello – a while back I was able to get mythweb streaming working, it was either a symbolic link I made or a permissions issue, I can't remember now. Well I upgrade today and streaming broke again, can someone help me jog my memory for what I did to fix streaming please? |
| [03:14:00] | Perdignus: | The error I get is "200, stream not found, netstream.play.streamNotFount, clip..." |
| [03:14:18] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: when DRM is involved, its only the paying customers that suffer |
| [03:14:30] | Oleg_: | well, that sucks |
| [03:14:47] | wagnerrp: | an HDPVR tied to a STB can capture any channel you're subscribed to in HD... if at significant cost |
| [03:15:09] | wagnerrp: | an HDPVR will do one input, retails for $200, and needs a dedicated STB |
| [03:15:14] | iamlindoro: | Someone just wrote a lengthy page about when to use a cable amp... and suggested "Cat-5 coaxial cable" |
| [03:15:30] | iamlindoro: | Which sort of calls into question his expertise on the matter |
| [03:16:23] | wagnerrp: | based on the fact that he quoted everything, im betting he just copy-pasted from somewhere else |
| [03:17:28] | wagnerrp: | no more than 12" excess on the entire run from the antenna to the TV? |
| [03:17:33] | wagnerrp: | this guy is a wiring masochist |
| [03:18:19] | iamlindoro: | It's also a miniscule signal loss over most domestic wiring distances |
| [03:19:30] | wagnerrp: | electrical wires give off magnetic pulses |
| [03:19:50] | wagnerrp: | technically, i suppose you could make that claim with an AC signal |
| [03:19:55] | wagnerrp: | but.. that just reads so wrong |
| [03:20:20] | wagnerrp: | ooh, this one is nice |
| [03:20:30] | wagnerrp: | 'many new antennas are designed for the new digital signals' |
| [03:20:43] | ** iamlindoro shakes his head ** | |
| [03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | doesnt wikipedia have some tags to mark things as questionable? |
| [03:24:47] | wagnerrp: | maybe we should just start adding 'citation needed' |
| [03:24:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:27:31] | iamlindoro: | <horsepucky></horsepucky> |
| [03:38:56] | [R]: | "As iterators are non-primitive types, it's actually preferrable to use |
| [03:38:56] | [R]: | pre-increment rather than post-increment." |
| [03:39:01] | [R]: | why is it better to use preincrement? |
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| [04:37:57] | Oleg_: | any of you watched the Republican debate today? |
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| [06:28:23] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i wonder if there will be any ranting on the wiki in the morning |
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| [06:39:50] | justinh: | "fix remaining themes for button acceleration" ? Over my dead body |
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| [07:29:03] | justinh: | good gried. when they say 'digikam' is 'for kde' they're not kidding |
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| [09:07:32] | elkin: | hi, updating my themes I came across this problem: I don't track git commits often enough or just well enogh to notice all changes done to themes or code relating to themes. An example is the config-ui.xml. Just by chance I noticed that quiet a few new screens where added (I rarely open mythtv-setup or need to change settings). |
| [09:08:09] | elkin: | I was wondering if there is a quick way of doing a "diff" of what screens are available and which I have allready themed in my themes? |
| [09:08:31] | elkin: | Maybe there is some script available for that |
| [09:23:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm might be the best person to answer that and he doesn't frequent this channel. we do intend on making a script to test 'completeness' of a theme so that we can show how complete a given theme is and what parts are missing. that's something we want to integrate into the theme downloader at some point, so users can see how complete a theme is before downloading. |
| [09:23:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm is in #mythtv and #mythtv-theming |
| [09:24:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro also might be able to answer, but it's ~2AM where he's at I believe, so he's still asleep for a while. |
| [09:25:32] | ** Captain_Murdoch goes back to sleep himself... maintenance window is over. ** | |
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| [09:34:54] | Seeker`: | does Mythtv do anything to the source video as it records it? For, say, a nova-t 500? (Specifically interested in deinterlacing) |
| [09:35:22] | Seeker`: | Basically, is deinterlacing only applied at the point of playback? |
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| [09:44:00] | justinh: | yes |
| [09:44:24] | justinh: | if you want to deinterlace recordings you have to use a user job |
| [09:44:39] | Seeker`: | mmmk, so it should be an interlaced mpeg stream sitting on the disk |
| [09:44:46] | justinh: | where of course you'd have to make your own script to do it |
| [09:44:56] | justinh: | it'll be whatever form it comes over the air in |
| [09:45:15] | justinh: | if it's broadcast progressive.. that's what you get |
| [09:45:43] | Seeker`: | this is BBC, so I doubt it |
| [09:45:46] | Seeker`: | thanks |
| [09:46:00] | justinh: | if they're used really agressive encoding to try & save bandwidth the stream will probably be marked as interlaced but be a mixture of progressive & interlaced material |
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| [10:31:37] | Seeker`: | justinh: the really fun part is that different parts of the same frame are interlaced/progressive it seems |
| [10:32:59] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [10:33:04] | justinh: | they can't be |
| [10:35:00] | justinh: | you can get periods where interlaced fields are sent & then progressive frames, sure |
| [10:38:16] | justinh: | I used to find when watching stuff recorded from channel 5 I had to set mythfrontend to INTERLACED from AUTO for playback to work properly |
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| [10:48:01] | esperegu: | what does the LMS stand for? |
| [10:48:09] | esperegu: | I now get L_S |
| [10:56:27] | elkin: | Captain_Murdoch: Thanks... I will repost on mythtv-theming |
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| [10:58:26] | justinh: | repost? LOL |
| [11:00:40] | justinh: | I prolly won't offer my effort up to the theme downloader. it'll never be complete :-P |
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| [11:02:58] | Seeker`: | justinh: My understanding isn't all that great, but it looks like you can have things broadcast where the original source was progressive, and instead of taking sequential frames for each field, they display the odd and even fields of each frame, but then they overlay interlaced material |
| [11:04:19] | bugthing: | Hello all, please may I ask your advise/opinion? .. I am going to build a home server. One function will be a file server the other a MythTV backend. I plan to add a Hauppauge Nova-T-500 PCI for FreeView and a Hauppauge HD-S2 PCI for FreeSat. Does this sound do'able? can you forsee any problems? |
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| [11:52:25] | justinh: | Seeker`: ruh? nobody can 'overlay' anything. fields & frames are broadcast in order in the UK |
| [11:54:28] | justinh: | bugthing: always subject to being able to receive a good enough signal. verify that with other equipment if possible |
| [11:55:31] | justinh: | Seeker`: also, don't mix up fields & frames. A frame, if progressive is one frame of video. If interlaced, is comprised of two fields, odd & even |
| [11:56:49] | justinh: | Seeker`: the bbc are known to be saving bandwidth (as some other broadcasters do) by sending near-identical fields as one progressive frame instead. It's messy |
| [11:57:30] | Seeker`: | justinh: I mean overlay in post production |
| [11:58:20] | justinh: | ah right. whatever the source is, their output is supposed to be (if it's SDTV) 576i |
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| [11:58:54] | bugthing: | justinh: reception is fine, i was basically wondering is there known issues with have 2 Hauppauge cards in one box |
| [11:59:03] | justinh: | bugthing: shouldn't be any issues |
| [11:59:21] | bugthing: | justinh: thanks |
| [11:59:47] | justinh: | bugthing: just don't rely on wireless networking for any machines wanting to watch mythtv content |
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| [12:00:59] | bugthing: | cool, got ya, I was thinking of using the power lines as network (those adaptor things you can get) |
| [12:01:32] | justinh: | Seeker`: I'm guessing you're saying that if you try & do anything fancy like inverse telecine on a film on BBC1, stuff they put over the top looks like crap :-P |
| [12:01:55] | justinh: | bugthing: YMMV with those |
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| [12:04:01] | Seeker`: | I had to use gigabit ethernet to get reliably good quaility with blurays |
| [12:04:45] | Seeker`: | justinh: its a pain to deinterlace well apparently |
| [12:04:50] | justinh: | well you would, since stuff from bluray can be anything up to approx. 40Mbit |
| [12:05:20] | justinh: | Seeker`: I wouldn't bother then. surely films the BBC are showing are available on DVD for £cheap by then :P |
| [12:05:45] | bugthing: | interesting, I thought, althou not as fast as ethernet, the power lines would give me enough speed .. thanks for the tip |
| [12:06:09] | justinh: | bugthing: theoretical speeds offered by hardware are rarely seen in real-world conditions |
| [12:06:35] | justinh: | yer 800Mbps powerline stuff assumes the power lines are clean |
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| [12:06:58] | justinh: | Seeker`: OI! no unsolicited /msg'ing please |
| [12:07:48] | laga: | get the pitchforks! |
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| [12:09:57] | Seeker`: | the world is ending! oh wait... |
| [12:10:40] | justinh: | bad IRC ettiquette |
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| [12:14:08] | justinh: | I should have anybody who uses backticks in their nick on ignore anyway. They always end up annoying me |
| [12:18:25] | Seeker`: | justinh: anyway. as I was trying to say, people at work are involved with deinterlacers, and noticed weird things going on (like scrolling titles being interlaced, background images appearently not) |
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| [12:49:13] | eddytv: | Quick question for anybody that might be able to provide some insight. |
| [12:49:47] | eddytv: | When setting up a scheduled recording, what is the technical difference between "New Episodes Only" and "Exclude Repated Episodes"? |
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| [12:59:54] | justinh: | I dunno what the difference is. I know I can't rely on that information from the EPG grabber I use so I can't make use of it |
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| [13:00:55] | eddytv: | To me, they seem like two different ways to achieve the same thing, but since both options are available, figured there must be some difference. |
| [13:01:20] | justinh: | I'm guessing "new episodes only" means stuff the EPG data source has flagged as 'new' |
| [13:01:49] | justinh: | or maybe it's where the 'repeat' flag isn't set |
| [13:02:01] | justinh: | can't remember which field is in the xmltv standard |
| [13:03:44] | justinh: | ah they might be using the 'previouslyshown' flag. It's called that in the database, but who knows what field that is in your EPG data |
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| [13:04:11] | justinh: | there are far too many different options in mythtv anyway IMHO |
| [13:04:39] | justinh: | just get rid of most of them so that the worst that can happen is somebody will record too much |
| [13:05:56] | justinh: | eddytv: oh look! I googled "mythtv record new episodes only" & was brought to this link: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html |
| [13:06:57] | justinh: | "One of the duplicate matching options is "Record new episodes only". If this is selected, listing that have an original air date of more than 14 days earlier are considered repeats and are not eligible to record. Generally, generic episodes will be marked as repeats also." |
| [13:07:34] | justinh: | assuming the original air date is provided by the EPG listings method you use... |
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| [13:11:37] | justinh: | so I'd guess that 'exclude repeated episodes' will look at the previouslyshown flag in the EPG data instead. there's yer difference |
| [13:12:34] | justinh: | and er.. WOW. does the scheduling stuff really have to be this involved? Reading that page is kinda making my head hurt |
| [13:14:10] | justinh: | reminds me. wonder how the new regime at radiotimes.com is regarding the free xmltv feed they give us lot |
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| [13:41:38] | eddytv: | Thanks Justin. Now the question becomes: if I'm using SchedulesDirect for data, their data source doesn't provide a "repeat=true" flag for shows, but instead provides a "new=true" flag, so which option to use... a post in the SD forum says sets <previously-shown> if the episode-id is a "EP" or "SH" type and the "new" attribute is not set. |
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| [13:45:13] | justinh: | if the data is pulled into mythtv correctly (I can't imagine it would be any other way) then new=true would become previouslyshown=1 |
| [13:45:17] | justinh: | if the data is pulled into mythtv correctly (I can't imagine it would be any other way) then new=true would become previouslyshown=0 |
| [13:45:20] | justinh: | er ^^ |
| [13:45:54] | justinh: | what are you scared of anyway? recording too much? :-O |
| [13:46:30] | eddytv: | no, the opposite: having something that is new not record for some reason. |
| [13:46:58] | justinh: | that 'some reason' is generally when descriptions for shows are generic |
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| [13:47:34] | justinh: | wouldn't it be better not to set either option then? |
| [13:50:30] | eddytv: | well I definitely don't want episodes that have previously aired to record again, as that would significantly lower the WAF of the TiVo->MythTV conversion |
| [13:52:34] | eddytv: | After reading all this stuff, it seems like the gating factor is the guide data. As long as SD has valid data, MythTV will "do the right thing" with either "New episodes only" or "Exclude repeated episodes". |
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| [13:53:34] | TLE: | hallo, I was wondering whether there is a updated mysql table description somewhere, in particular I'm interested in which tables I need to look in to get all future recordings? |
| [13:53:42] | eddytv: | So if SD has generic episode details for an upcoming airing of "Two and a Half Men" (as was recently the case, and thus showed in the "Upcoming Recordings" list as "won't record"), there's nothing I can do. |
| [13:54:43] | justinh: | eddytv: my wife understands the tradeoffs |
| [13:55:09] | justinh: | TLE: a lot of the table names are pretty self-explanatory |
| [13:55:30] | iamlindoro: | TLE: There is no table for upcoming recordings, the upcoming recording list is computed and kept in memory only |
| [13:55:55] | justinh: | the 'record' table stores only recording rules |
| [13:56:08] | iamlindoro: | The closest you can get is "record," which is the table that contains the recording rules (but not the details of which programs will record) |
| [13:56:56] | justinh: | eddytv: no guide data is ever infallible. not even tivo's |
| [13:57:19] | TLE: | what about recordmatch then? |
| [13:57:24] | eddytv: | TLE: you may want to check out http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html |
| [13:57:29] | iamlindoro: | eddytv: You may be getting overly nervous without a reason-- mythfilldatabase only updates tomorrow and the day 14 days from now when it runs-- so that generic episode of two and a half men likely would have had a non-generic description by the time it became "tomorrow" |
| [13:58:12] | iamlindoro: | Alternately, you can change your mythfilldatabase arguments to include --dd-grab-all, which will always grab all 14 days every time it runs |
| [13:59:02] | justinh: | TLE: the backend status port gives you a list of something like the next 10 recordings. why do you need to know anyway? |
| [13:59:16] | eddytv: | iamlindoro: that is very interesting. so you're saying that if there is a late schedule change, it won't reflect in the MythTV guide until the day before? |
| [13:59:24] | iamlindoro: | eddytv: correct |
| [13:59:48] | iamlindoro: | unless you change your mythfilldatabase arguments to include --dd-grab-all, which can be done in mythtv-setup |
| [13:59:51] | TLE: | justinh: I basically just need to determine the next recording so I can tell the system when to wakup |
| [14:00:01] | iamlindoro: | It should not be done if you do something insane like run your backend on an ION, though |
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| [14:00:24] | justinh: | TLE: if you only need the *next* recording just use the http status port (6544) |
| [14:00:47] | justinh: | but even then why aren't you looking at using mythtv's shutdown/wakeup features? |
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| [14:01:48] | eddytv: | iamlindoro: thanks for that insight. I think I'd definitely prefer to "grab all" (the backend runs on a box with an i3). |
| [14:02:32] | justinh: | eddytv: without knowing how many 'last minute' schedule changes are made... SD might not thank you for the extra load. Certainly if more people did that |
| [14:02:40] | iamlindoro: | nah, it's less load |
| [14:02:49] | justinh: | less load, grabbing *more*? Heh |
| [14:03:02] | iamlindoro: | When we request +1 and +14, it has to be computed and packaged on the SD side |
| [14:03:11] | justinh: | oh I see :-) |
| [14:03:15] | iamlindoro: | when we request all, they can just send the raw, uncomputed data |
| [14:03:23] | iamlindoro: | it's more data, but far, far less processing |
| [14:03:37] | justinh: | so more data load, less system load |
| [14:03:40] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:03:43] | iamlindoro: | Their preference is actually that it be --dd-grab-all |
| [14:03:55] | TLE: | justinh: I can't get acpi wakeup to work relieably on my hardware, so I'm going to ask a local server to wake the it via wake on lan |
| [14:04:29] | justinh: | TLE: so just grab backendserverip:6544 & parse the output :-) |
| [14:05:03] | justinh: | or run mythbackend --printsched & parse the output |
| [14:05:26] | TLE: | justinh: yeah that looks like the way to go, thanks |
| [14:06:10] | iamlindoro: | or mythbackend --printsched |
| [14:06:10] | justinh: | AFAIK you can have a custom command do the shutdown/wakeup stuff, so you don't even need use ACPI in your scripts |
| [14:07:02] | justinh: | getting the wakeup time onto another box needn't be too hard either, not with scp & stuff |
| [14:10:34] | TLE: | justinh: The problem I had with ACPI wakeup was that the wakeup only works from hibernate or sleep, and I simply could not get the hardware to play nice with going down and up again from those states |
| [14:11:16] | justinh: | my point is, you can specify the shutdown/time setting command to be anything you want :-) |
| [14:11:28] | justinh: | so you don't even have to parse anything |
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| [14:14:20] | justinh: | I'm tempted to start using ACPI wakeup. I don't think we record much during the night |
| [14:14:30] | TLE: | justinh: I'm not sure I understand what you mean |
| [14:14:58] | justinh: | TLE: the stuff mythtv uses for power management only calls scripts. It doesn't actually use any ACPI calls directly |
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| [14:15:15] | justinh: | so you can make them do whatever you want, and they'll always be passed the next wakeup time |
| [14:16:01] | TLE: | justinh: ahhhh |
| [14:16:08] | justinh: | I guess then you've got the hassle of telling the machine which'll be doing the waking up what time to use |
| [14:16:25] | justinh: | 6 of one, half a dozen of something else :P |
| [14:16:41] | TLE: | that's easy enough, I've already done that |
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| [14:17:22] | justinh: | I'm all for doing less work :-) |
| [14:17:27] | TLE: | yeah |
| [14:17:43] | TLE: | so I should be looking at the power management documentation on the wiki |
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| [14:19:37] | eddytv: | iamlindoro: thanks again for that insight. did not realize the +1/+14 thing. That change will likely help the "upcoming recordings" data be more reliable when the wife "looks ahead" to make sure MythTV is working right. :) |
| [14:20:34] | justinh: | sigh.. women. cannot be trusted to put faith in anything |
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| [14:23:58] | justinh: | my wife actually succeeded in making mythfrontend not show a recording as being in progress last night |
| [14:24:44] | justinh: | it was definitely in progress. mythweb said so, backend status said so, the time during playback was incrementing.. but the PBB said it wasn't being recorded |
| [14:25:49] | justinh: | exited the PBB & returned to the list several times.. the rec status statetype icon appeared very briefly but disappeared on that recording. after watching another recording however, it operated correctly |
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| [14:45:21] | iamlindoro: | eddytv: no problem, hope it works out well for you |
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| [14:58:38] | quicksilver: | is anyone streaming any kind of content to one of the "new" appleTVs? |
| [14:58:55] | quicksilver: | presumably only jailbroken since they don't have apps officially yet |
| [14:59:55] | wagnerrp: | not worth the effort |
| [15:00:00] | quicksilver: | looks like XBMC and Flex both have things working on it |
| [15:00:11] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: well it's a way to connect a second telly for 85 quid... |
| [15:00:14] | wagnerrp: | apple artificially restricts the decoding capability to a very limited subset of h264 |
| [15:00:23] | quicksilver: | 85 is not a lot of money compared to most other options. |
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| [15:00:53] | wagnerrp: | and XBMC's hacked decoding support is inherently unreliable |
| [15:01:05] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [15:01:10] | wagnerrp: | by simple fact of it being a black-box reverse engineering of some protocol that was never intended to be accessed |
| [15:02:53] | quicksilver: | always on the lookout for cheap frontend ideas :-/ |
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| [15:43:22] | TLE: | justinh: heym you wouldn't happen to also know if there is a command line way of figuring out whether the backend is recording? |
| [15:44:22] | wagnerrp: | that status page will tell yo |
| [15:44:23] | wagnerrp: | u |
| [15:46:11] | TLE: | wagnerrp: the webone? yeah, it says it, but I would prefer not parsing html |
| [15:46:20] | wagnerrp: | what about XML? |
| [15:46:58] | TLE: | that would be ok, there's an xml version of that as well? |
| [15:47:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, although i dont recall what the path is to pull that version off hand |
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| [15:47:44] | TLE: | will try googleling |
| [15:49:00] | wagnerrp: | its statusXML or something |
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| [15:53:12] | wagnerrp: | try http://<your backend>:6544/xml |
| [15:55:04] | TLE: | wagnerrp: that's it, thanks |
| [15:56:09] | TLE: | this is awesome, it is so much easier than what I was doing before with by means of the tables from mysql |
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| [16:33:02] | kaio: | is anyone having issues with hdhomerun on the latest ubuntu release |
| [16:33:55] | wagnerrp: | sounds like finicky network drivers |
| [16:34:16] | kaio: | upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 and now my mythtv video is corrupted |
| [16:34:43] | kaio: | why do you say network driver ? |
| [16:34:49] | kaio: | how do i check |
| [16:34:58] | wagnerrp: | because the HDHomeRun is network attached |
| [16:35:19] | wagnerrp: | and 11.10 comes with the same version of mythtv and same hdhr libraries as 11.04 |
| [16:36:39] | kaio: | any recommendations ? |
| [16:36:56] | wagnerrp: | when is the last time youve power-cycled your HDHR? |
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| [16:38:28] | kaio: | hmm not since i upgraded to 11.10 |
| [16:38:36] | kaio: | never occured to me |
| [16:38:44] | kaio: | will try it |
| [16:40:05] | ** iamlindoro wonders how video playback issues get blamed on the capture device ** | |
| [16:40:29] | quicksilver: | iamlindoro: ignorance. It's very popular on the internet, haven't you noticed? ;) |
| [16:41:09] | iamlindoro: | I guess I'm just picky about troubleshooting procedure :) |
| [16:44:14] | kaio: | so what do you suggest it is. |
| [16:44:30] | wagnerrp: | try to play the recordings in another application |
| [16:44:40] | wagnerrp: | see if the problem is in playback or capture |
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| [16:45:47] | kaio: | very easy to critize others |
| [16:46:20] | kaio: | what other app record in ubuntu |
| [16:46:31] | wagnerrp: | not record, playback |
| [16:46:43] | wagnerrp: | youve already recorded the files |
| [16:46:57] | wagnerrp: | open them up in mplayer, or vlc, or kaffeine, or totem, or.... something |
| [16:47:03] | wagnerrp: | see if other players have similar issues |
| [16:47:30] | kaio: | i dont have any recordings using hdhome |
| [16:47:37] | kaio: | but i have other videos that play |
| [16:47:46] | wagnerrp: | of course you do, you said they were corrupted |
| [16:48:02] | kaio: | talking about live tv |
| [16:48:11] | kaio: | didnt bother to record |
| [16:48:14] | wagnerrp: | recorded using the hdhomerun? |
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| [16:51:07] | wagnerrp: | so i guess were not going to help him? |
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| [17:17:53] | iamlindoro: | guess not |
| [17:18:14] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, my contention was that it's pretty unlikely the recordings were corrupted |
| [17:18:43] | wagnerrp: | well... unless his network is horribly broken |
| [17:18:50] | wagnerrp: | when he said his recordings were corrupted |
| [17:18:55] | wagnerrp: | i foolishly took him at his word |
| [17:19:02] | iamlindoro: | He said his video was corrupted |
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| [17:24:50] | Oleg_: | so, version 0.24 supports the playback of blu-rays as a folder structure on a hard drive, but does it support blu-ray menu? |
| [17:25:37] | wagnerrp: | basic menus, not the advanced BD-J stuff |
| [17:25:59] | wagnerrp: | which means youre just going to get a title list |
| [17:27:46] | Oleg_: | bd-j as in bd-live? |
| [17:27:59] | wagnerrp: | on, bd-live is online content |
| [17:28:14] | wagnerrp: | bd-j is just the menuing applets that run in a java virtual machine |
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| [17:29:41] | Oleg_: | I don't understand. Will I be able to choose what version of a movie I wanna play (a theatrical or extended version) in a blu-ray menu? |
| [17:30:21] | wagnerrp: | i know you get a list of titles... beyond that, ive never actually used it |
| [17:30:40] | Oleg_: | let me try... |
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| [17:44:17] | Oleg_: | awesome, it works |
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| [18:14:39] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, but in the future, mythtv will fully support a blu-ray menu? |
| [18:15:08] | wagnerrp: | its possible, but theres no real set time frame |
| [18:15:18] | wagnerrp: | its more dependent on upstream libraries |
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| [19:11:44] | gpd: | is it possible to jump to the next bookmarked show – or create a list of shows with bookmarks? |
| [19:12:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont think so |
| [19:12:36] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: sorry to bother but wil the hdpvr driver fix to support the latest firmware require Hauppauge engineering help? |
| [19:12:46] | wagnerrp: | some themes will tell you a recording has a bookmark |
| [19:13:21] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: is it information they can provide to an open source developer? |
| [19:14:17] | gpd: | wagnerrp: indeed. oh well – would be a nice feature. |
| [19:14:33] | wagnerrp: | if an almost never used one |
| [19:15:14] | gpd: | wagnerrp: why so? when you load mythtv – why would you not want to jump to the last bookmarked video? |
| [19:15:31] | wagnerrp: | why not just pause it and come back later? |
| [19:15:50] | gpd: | because it is on a laptop and you shutdown mythtv completely... |
| [19:16:02] | wagnerrp: | or better, implement bookmark usage into whatever generates the watchlist |
| [19:16:25] | gpd: | wagnerrp: yes – that would be ideal. |
| [19:16:32] | iamlindoro: | taylorr: There is info on the HD-PVR wiki talk page about making the new firmware work |
| [19:16:57] | iamlindoro: | taylorr: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Hauppauge_HD-PVR Last section |
| [19:28:56] | taylorr: | iamlindoro: cool, it would be nice to have confirmation that those picture settings are in fact correct |
| [19:29:13] | iamlindoro: | Person suggests those values were gleaned from the windows driver |
| [19:29:17] | iamlindoro: | if true, it's likely they re |
| [19:29:21] | iamlindoro: | er are |
| [19:29:37] | taylorr: | yep, I wonder if you apply those values to 0x15 if they work or not |
| [19:29:55] | taylorr: | kinda confused how an updated firmware could render those settings incorrect |
| [19:30:11] | iamlindoro: | I'd bet not, considering devinheitmueller's response the it would require driver changes |
| [19:31:43] | taylorr: | heh, maybe the latest firmware actually uses those values |
| [19:33:57] | iamlindoro: | maybe so, yeah |
| [19:35:51] | taylorr: | heh, look here -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2091567 |
| [19:36:13] | taylorr: | looks like they just stuffed all those with 0x80 except for brightness of 0x86 |
| [19:36:24] | taylorr: | I bet I could change those and it wouldn't affect 0x15 |
| [19:36:33] | taylorr: | in fact I'm going to try |
| [19:37:19] | taylorr: | jpabq: any idea if MythTV by default changes the picture settings ^^^ |
| [19:41:07] | devinheitmueller: | sorry, was afk. |
| [19:41:39] | taylorr: | no worries, are we crazy or are we on the right track? |
| [19:42:20] | devinheitmueller: | SO the issue is the format for those controls changed (in terms of the underlying registers). Hence you need to poke slightly different registers in order to properly setup those color controls. What's happening now is the old driver is jamming the values into the old registers, causing the video to appear corrupted. |
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| [19:43:41] | devinheitmueller: | I hadn't seen the comments on the talk page previously. What I would imagine the user has done (albeit perhaps not intentionally) is come up with the default values and is ensuring those get blown into the registers independent of what the actual values should be. |
| [19:44:37] | devinheitmueller: | Long story short, to make it work properly (meaning being able to adjust contrast/brightness/saturation beyond the default) would require a relatively simple driver change. But to do that somebody would have to do some dumps of the Windows driver and see exactly how the register format changed. |
| [19:44:40] | ** iamlindoro hope the upside of what changed all the registers is worth it :) ** | |
| [19:46:44] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: any idea if it's the addresses or the actual register define that changes? |
| [19:46:56] | devinheitmueller: | Basically it was a change to support Procamp controls in Arcsoft. So it should be pretty easy to fix. That said, the firmware also has other fixes which are much more valuable (including some sync fixes if I recall), so if you get past the issue with the color controls you should have a better experience overall. |
| [19:47:25] | devinheitmueller: | It would be complete speculation for me to say they increased the effective size of the register. |
| [19:47:45] | devinheitmueller: | It's the type of thing a developer with a copy of GraphEdit and a software USB analyzer could probably figure out in about an hour. |
| [19:47:51] | devinheitmueller: | That said, I haven't done it myself. |
| [19:48:03] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: so even though a hauppauge engineer in the know could make the change easily we have to wait until someone reverse engineers it again :) |
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| [19:49:10] | devinheitmueller: | That's a complicated question to answer. Nobody at Hauppauge actually knew the answer off the top of their heads. |
| [19:49:48] | devinheitmueller: | So while in generally they tend to be pretty forthcoming in this area, in this case the information wasn't readily available. |
| [19:50:59] | taylorr: | ok, thanks for the clarification |
| [19:51:08] | devinheitmueller: | That said, after I informed them of the issue they were helpful enough to post the old firmware so Linux users could downgrade back (which eliminated all the people who were passing it around informally) |
| [19:51:30] | devinheitmueller: | Well, it didn't eliminate *the people*, but just the need for them to redistribute the old firmware themselves. :-) |
| [19:52:18] | taylorr: | one day when linux users out number windows users we'll be the first to have working drivers :) |
| [19:53:11] | devinheitmueller: | Break ten percent and you'll probably achieve that. Just look at the OSX market. ;-) |
| [19:54:17] | taylorr: | I imagine we are less than 1% ;) |
| [19:55:38] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: just setup a paypal donation site and we'll fund the driver fix ;) (actually I'm not joking) |
| [19:56:59] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: your wish is granted: http://www.devinheitmueller.com/linux_support_fund.html |
| [19:57:00] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
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| [19:58:03] | devinheitmueller: | That said, I guess this is why the community should be sad I bought an HDHR Prime. I just moved and if I had needed to hook up my HD-PVR to my FIOS settop box, it probably would have pissed me off enough to just fix the damn thing. |
| [19:58:21] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: but how much would you need to motivate you? |
| [19:59:07] | devinheitmueller: | In fairness, the "support fund" was really just a way for people to show their appreciation. In reality, mere mortals cannot afford my consulting rates. |
| [19:59:33] | taylorr: | hehe, no doubt it's not cheap |
| [19:59:50] | devinheitmueller: | At some point if nobody has still done it, I'll having a non-busy evening and will just do it. |
| [20:00:45] | devinheitmueller: | I was kind of hoping that janneg would have gotten around to it, eliminating the need for me to get involved. |
| [20:01:09] | taylorr: | he has totally checked out as far as we can tell |
| [20:01:39] | devinheitmueller: | I haven't spoken to him in months. I emailed him the details I had when the issue first came up, and he never replied. |
| [20:02:29] | taylorr: | his Ubuntu upgrade wiping out all his work was the last straw |
| [20:02:35] | devinheitmueller: | ouch. |
| [20:02:44] | devinheitmueller: | backups are your friends. |
| [20:02:59] | taylorr: | something about an encryption volume header/key getting overwritten |
| [20:02:59] | devinheitmueller: | It's why I do *EVERYTHING* with source control. |
| [20:03:58] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: so everything we'd need to snoop the usb is just software? |
| [20:04:09] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah. I typically use SniffUSB 2.0. |
| [20:04:14] | devinheitmueller: | (free, open source) |
| [20:04:28] | taylorr: | cool, maybe if I get angry enough I'll try it |
| [20:04:29] | devinheitmueller: | However, doesn't work with Vista or Windows 7, so you need an XP box kicking around. |
| [20:04:56] | taylorr: | what is GraphEdit used for... I thought that was used for AV decoder/splitter stuff for Windows |
| [20:05:20] | taylorr: | I got a Windows XP laptop |
| [20:05:50] | devinheitmueller: | GraphEdit is a Microsoft tool used to assembly AV chains. You create a graph of all the relevant components (e.g. tuner, bridge, MPEG renderer, etc), hit "go" and watch the video. |
| [20:06:20] | devinheitmueller: | It's used as a low-level debugging tool for AV components, as it avoids needing a real application like WinTV. |
| [20:06:51] | devinheitmueller: | So you can do things like build a graph for the HD-PVR, hit "go", and then tweak the various controls one at a time and look at the USB trace. |
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| [20:07:29] | devinheitmueller: | I have an XP laptop sitting on a shelf for doing SniffUSB and that's the only thing I keep it around for. |
| [20:07:48] | taylorr: | so could I just use SniffUSB alone? |
| [20:07:58] | taylorr: | ah, I gotcha |
| [20:08:01] | devinheitmueller: | You use it in conjunction with an application such as graphedit. |
| [20:08:16] | taylorr: | I would use GraphEdit to generate the actions |
| [20:08:23] | taylorr: | makes sense |
| [20:08:27] | devinheitmueller: | SniffUSB captures the bus traffic, and you use an app like graphedit or WinTV to actually tweak the controls. |
| [20:08:28] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah. |
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| [20:09:20] | earthw0rm: | Hi, I'm trying and failing to get my PlayTV tuner to work with Mythbuntu |
| [20:09:37] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, a little birdie was nice enough to tell me there is a bug in the 64-bit property page in GraphEdit, so if you do go that route make sure you use the 32 bit version. |
| [20:09:39] | earthw0rm: | I think the firmware is loading okay |
| [20:10:17] | earthw0rm: | I keep getting dvb frontend device failed – device or resource busy |
| [20:10:28] | earthw0rm: | Any help would be great |
| [20:10:46] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: thanks for all the tips |
| [20:11:04] | devinheitmueller: | earthw0rm: run "fuser -a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0" and see if anyone else is using the device. |
| [20:11:26] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: np. |
| [20:11:37] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I hope you enjoy your Prime while the rest of use suffer. :) |
| [20:11:39] | devinheitmueller: | Frankly the more people who know this sort of stuff, the less they have to rely on me. |
| [20:12:36] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: thanks. I actually haven't had much time to play with my Prime yet. And nothing under MythTV yet either. |
| [20:13:04] | earthw0rm: | devinheitmueller: I ran that, it repeated the path back to me with a colon at the end |
| [20:13:17] | earthw0rm: | Does that mean nothing is using it? |
| [20:13:23] | devinheitmueller: | Try: "fuser -a /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0" |
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| [20:14:54] | earthw0rm: | devinheitmueller: Again, that just repeats the path back |
| [20:15:18] | wagnerrp: | are you getting this error in mythtv-setup, or your backend logs? |
| [20:17:02] | earthw0rm: | I'm trying to run mythtvbackend from the CLI |
| [20:17:12] | wagnerrp: | as what user? |
| [20:17:22] | earthw0rm: | The usual mythtv user |
| [20:17:36] | wagnerrp: | so youre logged in as 'mythtv'? |
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| [20:17:41] | earthw0rm: | "mythbloke" in my case |
| [20:17:52] | earthw0rm: | Yeah, logged in as him, try to run it as him, should that work? |
| [20:18:02] | wagnerrp: | is 'mythbloke' in the 'video' user group? |
| [20:18:07] | earthw0rm: | Yeah |
| [20:18:10] | wagnerrp: | does that user have write permissions to your recording folders? |
| [20:18:26] | wagnerrp: | usually on mythbuntu, one uses the init scripts, which run the backend as user 'mythtv' |
| [20:18:48] | earthw0rm: | Hmm, yeah, there is a mythtv user as well I think |
| [20:19:07] | earthw0rm: | I added the mythbloke one to log into the desktop with |
| [20:19:22] | wagnerrp: | and the udev scripts for tuners are designed for the 'mythtv' user to access the devices |
| [20:19:39] | wagnerrp: | are you sure there isnt already a backend running? |
| [20:19:58] | earthw0rm: | I don't actually know what mythtv's password is |
| [20:20:01] | wagnerrp: | even if you terminate the executable, upstart will fire another instance right back up |
| [20:20:18] | wagnerrp: | its entirely possible the mythtv user has no password |
| [20:20:38] | earthw0rm: | I think it's crashing because of this problem, I can't see it in ps -ef | grep myth |
| [20:20:57] | earthw0rm: | If I run the frontend, it says it can't connect to the backend |
| [20:21:32] | wagnerrp: | can we see the full backend log? |
| [20:22:04] | earthw0rm: | Trouble is it's on another machine and I can't get ndiswrapper to play on there so no internet |
| [20:22:29] | wagnerrp: | this is a laptop? |
| [20:22:41] | wagnerrp: | with crappy wireless hardware? |
| [20:22:47] | earthw0rm: | I'm on my laptop, the mythbox is a desktop though |
| [20:24:00] | earthw0rm: | Said desktop has no internet as yet |
| [20:24:06] | earthw0rm: | But that's another story |
| [20:25:14] | earthw0rm: | I might have to put the log on a USB stick |
| [20:25:20] | earthw0rm: | Where does it live? |
| [20:25:55] | wagnerrp: | likely /var/log/mythtv |
| [20:26:10] | wagnerrp: | when you configured the tuner in the first place, mythtv-setup did not have any trouble accessing the device? |
| [20:26:51] | earthw0rm: | Didn't seem to, although I couldn't select channel scan on that other screen |
| [20:26:57] | earthw0rm: | It was greyed out |
| [20:27:22] | wagnerrp: | it would only have been grayed out because you did not have it configured properly |
| [20:27:39] | wagnerrp: | you created a video source, and mapped the source to the tuner input on the device? |
| [20:28:15] | wagnerrp: | im guessing you misconfigured the backend in mythtv-setup |
| [20:28:22] | wagnerrp: | which is why the init script failed to start |
| [20:28:33] | wagnerrp: | however since youre using upstart, it gets periodically restarted |
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| [20:29:01] | wagnerrp: | and you happend to try to run the backend manually at some point while upstart was trying to run the backend itself |
| [20:29:50] | wagnerrp: | so... fix your configuration, and your backend will just run automatically |
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| [20:33:15] | earthw0rm: | wagnerrp: I'm a tard, it's doing a channel scan now :) |
| [20:34:03] | earthw0rm: | I didn't RTFM, I thought I'd just wade in there |
| [20:34:03] | devinheitmueller: | I wonder why fuser didn't see the DVB frontend as in use by mythbackend... :-/ |
| [20:34:09] | earthw0rm: | lol |
| [20:34:14] | earthw0rm: | Sorry lads |
| [20:34:21] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: because mythbackend is detecting a misconfiguration and terminating |
| [20:34:34] | wagnerrp: | so upstart is blindly starting it back up |
| [20:34:41] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Oh, did he not have it pointed at the actual DVB frontend? |
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| [20:34:51] | wagnerrp: | its a funky issue of getting caught in between restart cycles |
| [20:35:07] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: no, he didnt make a video source and map it to the tuner |
| [20:35:12] | wagnerrp: | or add any channels |
| [20:35:22] | wagnerrp: | so the scheduler barfs and mythbackend terminates |
| [20:35:24] | devinheitmueller: | Oh. Well, that's a pretty crappy way for the logfile to show that error condition. |
| [20:35:44] | wagnerrp: | it didnt have a chance to show that error condition |
| [20:35:58] | earthw0rm: | I didn't realise I needed a video source, is this getting the TV listings from the internet rather than from freeview then? |
| [20:36:01] | wagnerrp: | because it tried to open the tuner and failed before it got to that sanity check |
| [20:36:08] | earthw0rm: | Clever stuff |
| [20:36:17] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: mythbackend had the tuner open, which is why mythbackend was complaining something had the tuner open |
| [20:36:30] | wagnerrp: | two separate instances of mythbackend, one blocking the other |
| [20:36:32] | devinheitmueller: | Oh. |
| [20:36:36] | devinheitmueller: | Gotcha. |
| [20:36:40] | earthw0rm: | Hah, the sort of state of affairs only I could manage to end up in |
| [20:36:57] | devinheitmueller: | I'm surprised a semaphore isn't being used to prevent more than one instance from running. Anyway... |
| [20:37:07] | earthw0rm: | Yeah, that'd be good |
| [20:37:21] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing wrong with running two backends on one machine |
| [20:37:26] | earthw0rm: | I can now see how pants my signal strength anyway |
| [20:37:31] | wagnerrp: | assuming theyre configured with different hostnames, or different databases |
| [20:37:45] | earthw0rm: | Ah, yeah, fair enough |
| [20:37:49] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: It's not impossible, but I might question whether it's something to allow by default. |
| [20:38:26] | earthw0rm: | Maybe you could put a lock into the DB schema since no two should use the same one? |
| [20:38:29] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, didn't mean to turn this into yet another gripefest about the installation process. |
| [20:39:11] | wagnerrp: | i understand what youre getting at, but if nothing else, it would detect a fault when it cannot start up the protocol listen server |
| [20:39:23] | wagnerrp: | it should always terminate before it does any harm |
| [20:39:31] | wagnerrp: | the problem was confusion from the logs |
| [20:39:36] | earthw0rm: | Indeed |
| [20:39:47] | wagnerrp: | which could have been resolved by looking at the original logs created by the service started by init |
| [20:39:51] | wagnerrp: | in /var/log/mythtv |
| [20:40:15] | earthw0rm: | True enough, I ought to have checked that |
| [20:40:17] | wagnerrp: | anyway, this whole thing is going to be rewritten at some point prior to 0.26 |
| [20:40:38] | earthw0rm: | I tried to be too clever and just manually restart it to read the output and see the error there |
| [20:40:46] | wagnerrp: | so better detection of such would be good to do there |
| [20:41:21] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: imho, and that of many other devs, the master backend should not be touching the tuners in the first place |
| [20:41:40] | wagnerrp: | which would make that a relatively simple thing to check for |
| [20:41:55] | wagnerrp: | have the master backend start up, and start managing things |
| [20:42:03] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: oh, you mean at mythbackend startup, as opposed to waiting for the tuner to be needed? |
| [20:42:14] | wagnerrp: | then start your recorders up, which connect to the backend before anything else |
| [20:42:47] | wagnerrp: | if the backend detects youre trying to do something bad like running two recorder daemons on the same machine, or maybe the same tuner, it throws up a fault and terminates that recorder |
| [20:43:02] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: perhaps I haven't been following mythtv development closely enough. Are there separate processes now for recording? Last I checked, mythbackend dealt with the tuner devices directly. |
| [20:43:20] | wagnerrp: | no, everything is still in the single monolithic backend |
| [20:43:31] | wagnerrp: | but the plan is to break that apart into more logical chunks |
| [20:43:32] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: I've got everything setup – do I just need to add the HDPVR filter to GraphEdit? |
| [20:43:39] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, so you're *proposing* breaking it up? |
| [20:43:44] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: yes. |
| [20:43:52] | wagnerrp: | it has been proposed, and discussed, for a couple years now |
| [20:44:08] | wagnerrp: | mythpreviewgen was the first step of that, mythutil another |
| [20:44:12] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: I would recommend you run graphedit without SniffUSB 2.0 running, get a graph assembled, and then once you are satisfied everything is working then startup sniffusb 2.0. |
| [20:44:13] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: what do I connect to control the picture contols |
| [20:44:25] | wagnerrp: | im working on breaking out the jobqueue into its own daemon |
| [20:44:41] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. Yeah, a compartmentalized approach certainly has its advantages. |
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| [20:44:50] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: the idea is that the slave backend really doesnt do anything other than record |
| [20:45:02] | wagnerrp: | but it still has all that other code sitting there doing nothing, potentially causing problems |
| [20:45:06] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I just wasn't sure if we were speculating on how things could be done better, or if I was really just that far behind on how MythTV does things. :-) |
| [20:45:24] | taylorr: | devinheitmuller: never mind – everything is in filter properties :) |
| [20:45:42] | wagnerrp: | so the idea is to make the master backend just the management server |
| [20:45:48] | wagnerrp: | and have all recording on 'slave backends' |
| [20:46:07] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Ah, gotcha. I probably wouldn't even call them slave backends. They are recording daemons. |
| [20:46:17] | wagnerrp: | at that point, exactly |
| [20:46:23] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: are there any docs which describe future directions? |
| [20:46:25] | earthw0rm: | I'm watching telly on mythtv now, seems to work, although all my channels are in a weird order |
| [20:47:05] | earthw0rm: | Thanks for the help lads |
| [20:47:22] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/FutureDevelopment |
| [20:47:38] | ** devinheitmueller bookmarks the page for later review.... ** | |
| [20:48:18] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: basically, thats a list of developers' pet projects, or projects they want to adopt as pets when they have free time |
| [20:48:35] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I hear you. I've got my own lists of this nature. |
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| [20:49:58] | XDS20010: | anyone here used Lirc at all in conjunction with Myth |
| [20:50:24] | XDS20010: | im trying to control my KDL-40EX500 , the same remote also works with the KDL-32EX500 as well. Any and all thoughts would be helpful. |
| [20:50:49] | XDS20010: | Been searching around for days but haven't found much on the *EX line. |
| [20:51:01] | wagnerrp: | i would say nearly every mythtv user is using lirc in conjunction with myth |
| [20:51:24] | earthw0rm: | Hah, I'd tried connecting it to the radio times source, but of course I have no internet |
| [20:51:26] | earthw0rm: | lol |
| [20:55:12] | justinh: | earthw0rm: you have no internet but are talking to us via internet relay chat |
| [20:55:34] | earthw0rm: | This is my laptop |
| [20:55:40] | wagnerrp: | radiopathy |
| [20:55:48] | earthw0rm: | Would have been a good trick though, sorry to disappoint |
| [20:55:57] | earthw0rm: | How do I see the EPG? |
| [20:56:07] | justinh: | or you're one of those gifted people who can speak encrypted wifi with their brain |
| [20:56:19] | earthw0rm: | Heh |
| [20:56:30] | justinh: | I saw that on a show that had a really fit cheerleader who couldn't die. |
| [20:57:07] | wagnerrp: | justinh: lots of people can do it, but most of them turn into nutters running into the hills because of the headaches and noise |
| [20:57:37] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... double blind studies have shown theyre just plain ordinary nutjobs |
| [20:58:03] | justinh: | ha |
| [21:01:33] | earthw0rm: | Can MythTV view programs by catagory or anything like that? |
| [21:01:53] | earthw0rm: | Can I say, find me a movie, or find me some sport? |
| [21:02:31] | wagnerrp: | main menu -> manage recordings |
| [21:04:25] | earthw0rm: | Balls, think I crashed it trying to change channel |
| [21:04:35] | justinh: | wasn't all this stuff in that thing they called the usual manuel ? |
| [21:04:41] | justinh: | or something? |
| [21:06:42] | earthw0rm: | Aye, sorry, I'll bogger off and do some reading |
| [21:07:25] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: trying to do some sanity checks here – any idea if under the Details section in Device Manager if the Firmware Revision should have the firmware revision – it says 00.00 |
| [21:13:11] | larrikin: | playback is a bitch.. |
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| [21:16:19] | justinh: | I miss the old sayings mythweb used to quote. Dearly. We could include gems like the one just uttered about playback |
| [21:17:09] | wagnerrp: | mythweb would quote sayings? |
| [21:17:32] | justinh: | yeah. classics from the head of the MPAA & so on |
| [21:17:55] | kormoc: | wha? |
| [21:17:56] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: I don't think so. I think that comes from the USB descriptors. You probably need to run WinTV to see the version. Or you can just explicitly install a specific version of the driver (both the driver working under Linux and the new driver are on the Hauppauge website). |
| [21:18:19] | justinh: | I can't be the only person who remembers those |
| [21:18:33] | justinh: | I was reminded today when I found some old screenshots |
| [21:19:05] | justinh: | stuff like "people who skip commercials are thieves who should be put to death"... (almost) |
| [21:19:33] | justinh: | I'll dig up an old tarball & have a peek |
| [21:20:45] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: ok, I had an old version of WinTV7... upgrading now |
| [21:21:04] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: bear in mind that the version of WinTV is disconnected from the version of the driver. |
| [21:21:13] | devinheitmueller: | e.g. you can upgrade the driver without upgrading WinTV. |
| [21:21:21] | earthw0rm: | Thanks again all |
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| [21:21:39] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html |
| [21:22:40] | XDS20010: | ive got a bit of a problem , I cant find my tv's Lirc DB , is there anyway i could create one of my own somehow without having the remote for it ? |
| [21:22:45] | XDS20010: | its a bravia |
| [21:22:47] | justinh: | "More education is necessary. One form of education is lawsuits." – Jonathan Lamy (Spokesperson, RIAA) |
| [21:22:50] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm, hadn't read the release notes before. This is definitely interesting: "This driver fixes a problem with loss of video sync (which shows up as a "glitch" in the video) when the video source switches from NTSC to PAL or from HD to SD while recording" |
| [21:22:56] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: sound familiar? |
| [21:23:17] | justinh: | "I say to you that the VCR is to the ... American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone." – Jack Valenti (CEO, MPAA) |
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| [21:23:39] | justinh: | "Anytime you skip a commercial ... you're actually stealing the programming." – Jamie Kellner (then CEO, Turner Broadcasting) |
| [21:24:19] | wagnerrp: | what if you just walk out of the room and dont watch it? |
| [21:24:34] | kormoc: | that's stealing as well |
| [21:24:36] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not with the SmartViewingChair(TM) |
| [21:24:41] | kormoc: | what if you just walk out of the store and don't pay |
| [21:24:49] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: dunno, I'm more concerned with the HD-PVR locking up and having to be rebooted ;) |
| [21:25:06] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I find the commercials during Hulu as an opportune time to switch tabs, check my email and catch up on Google Reader. |
| [21:25:13] | XDS20010: | kormoc: are you serious dude ? |
| [21:25:43] | XDS20010: | some commercials and programs intentionaly tell you to "go grab a bight to eat and come right back" |
| [21:25:45] | kormoc: | XDS20010, yes. I always sit down and give commercials my undivided attention as they deserve |
| [21:25:48] | justinh: | this might all have been during one of mythtv's more militant phases of its history ;) |
| [21:26:12] | kormoc: | justinh, I honestly just don't remember this |
| [21:26:15] | ** kormoc pokes xris ** | |
| [21:26:15] | XDS20010: | commercials are crap |
| [21:26:29] | XDS20010: | its our responsibility to find any way possible to skip them |
| [21:26:38] | XDS20010: | ! |
| [21:26:47] | justinh: | kormoc: it's in themes/Default/theme.php from around 0.15 onwards |
| [21:26:48] | XDS20010: | its our right AND our duty |
| [21:27:59] | justinh: | kormoc: I can't remember when the quotes were removed but it was likely around 0.18 or so |
| [21:28:16] | XDS20010: | some commercials and programs intentionaly tell you to "go grab a bight to eat and come right back" , what should i do then ? |
| [21:28:20] | kormoc: | I guess I'm the one who removed it |
| [21:28:33] | XDS20010: | not go ? |
| [21:28:34] | kormoc: | XDS20010, pause the show, grab your stuff, come back and watch them, of course! |
| [21:28:45] | XDS20010: | pause ? |
| [21:28:50] | XDS20010: | I have no pause |
| [21:29:09] | kormoc: | Anything that allows you to skip allows you to pause |
| [21:29:19] | kormoc: | if you can't pause, you wait! |
| [21:29:55] | XDS20010: | I can leave the room |
| [21:29:57] | kormoc: | Be a good citizen! Support your local media empire that supports the economy! |
| [21:30:05] | XDS20010: | Especially if I have to go to the bathroom |
| [21:30:29] | XDS20010: | OMFG , I hope you are joking. |
| [21:31:25] | taylorr: | no, we don't condone commercial skipping around here – like they say it's absolutely theft |
| [21:33:10] | justinh: | yes. skipping commercials is terrorism |
| [21:37:00] | ** Beirdo blows up his TV ** | |
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| [21:41:00] | ** justinh votes to bring back mythweb quotes ** | |
| [21:41:25] | justinh: | y'know, on /dev/null, where all the feature requests go ;-) |
| [21:41:37] | oobe: | what were mythweb quotes |
| [21:42:08] | justinh: | oh do keep up, oobe |
| [21:42:43] | oobe: | no I dont know what your talking about |
| [21:42:46] | justinh: | randomly selected sage (or otherwise just funny) words a mythweb theme would show. some classics in there |
| [21:42:57] | justinh: | see yer scrollback |
| [21:43:04] | oobe: | ah ok I never saw that |
| [21:43:18] | oobe: | was it in a pre release version |
| [21:43:24] | oobe: | or before .19 |
| [21:44:23] | justinh: | like 0.15 to 0.18 or so |
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| [21:46:47] | justinh: | heh I just remembered that the default theme change around 0.16 or so (to G.A.N.T.) almost stopped me using mythtv |
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| [21:58:00] | kormoc: | G.A.N.T 4 like yo! |
| [21:58:11] | ** kormoc is the only one who liked G.A.N.T ** | |
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| [22:16:46] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: here is a sniffusb log -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2091609 – the last thing I did was set brightness to 120 – any idea what I should be looking for? |
| [22:17:57] | taylorr: | I'm guessing there might be a bunch of snooping going on all the time |
| [22:18:58] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: you should probably look at the hd-pvr driver and see what register is responsible for brightness, then look in the trace for that data. |
| [22:19:11] | devinheitmueller: | Pardon, I mean the Linux driver source. |
| [22:19:37] | devinheitmueller: | Also, there are scripts floating around which parse the sniffusb log and parses out all the control messages. |
| [22:19:45] | devinheitmueller: | Reducing the amount of data by 99%. |
| [22:20:31] | taylorr: | line 175 in the log file has the correct address |
| [22:25:36] | taylorr: | devinheitmueller: does spike4.pl ring a bell? |
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| [22:30:06] | eddytv: | Anybody know why some parts of mythweb use $_GET, some use $_POST and some use (the much more convenient) $_REQUEST that combines GET and POST in one var? |
| [22:30:58] | devinheitmueller: | taylorr: sorry, I have to go afk. Will be back online later tonight. |
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| [22:33:14] | eddytv: | I was trying to come up with a bookmark so I could go to "/mythweb/tv/upcoming?disp_duplicates=on" and have "Duplicate/Ignored" pre-checked (it defaults to unchecked), but the code uses $_POST, thus the GET var in the URL is ignored, which it wouldn't be if it used $_REQUEST... |
| [22:34:12] | kormoc: | eddytv, because $_REQUEST didn't always exist and so things get ported over as they get touched ? |
| [22:35:16] | eddytv: | OK, was just curious if there was a reason, since other parts of the mythweb interface use $_REQUEST (as well as $_GET). |
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| [22:35:39] | john3voltas: | greetings |
| [22:35:44] | john3voltas: | i'm looking for a live distro of mythtv. can someone point me to a sleek live distro based on myth? |
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| [22:51:35] | wagnerrp: | john3voltas: this would be something that is supposed to connect to an existing backend? |
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| [22:55:17] | nordle: | For the last 9 months my backend has been giving me jip :) Actually its quite frustrating. mythbackend keeps becoming un-responsive and I'd like to try and locate the issue if possible. I keep missing recordings, and when I check the box it wont load the programme guide or show data in mythweb. Mythfilldabtabase reports it cant connect. This can happen after 2 days of being up, or 2 hours. Seems to occur at the start of a recording. But not on |
| [22:55:17] | nordle: | any one channel. Any suggestions as to what I could check, ie log files etc |
| [22:55:53] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [22:56:52] | nordle: | 0.24.1-fixes |
| [22:57:19] | wagnerrp: | are you getting a bunch of 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION' errors in your logs? |
| [22:59:14] | john3voltas: | wagnerrp: sorry. was out for some time. |
| [22:59:42] | john3voltas: | wagnerrp: what do you mean by backend? |
| [23:00:26] | nordle: | last 50 lines of mythbackend.log http://pastebin.com/1jLNasxR mythfrontend.log http://pastebin.com/VEyAtfCF But the backend has fallen over, so these errors are likely no? |
| [23:01:18] | john3voltas: | all i want to do is try mythtv on my laptop with a usb/dvb-t stick |
| [23:01:45] | john3voltas: | later i might build a htpc to run it in the living room |
| [23:04:51] | Twiggy2cents: | john3voltas, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [23:05:06] | Twiggy2cents: | You really need to understand the software. This isnt a 10 minute install |
| [23:06:17] | john3voltas: | wasn't knoppmyth a livecd with mythtv installed? |
| [23:06:33] | john3voltas: | i just want to check the software against my hardware |
| [23:06:38] | Twiggy2cents: | To answer your question though, the backend is the behind the scenes part that does all the tuning/scheduling/database stuff. The frontend does all the viewing stuff. You can have a combined frontend/backend system. |
| [23:07:05] | Twiggy2cents: | they are just distros with the mythtv packages... You could do mythdora mythbuntu knoppmyth\ |
| [23:07:09] | nordle: | john3voltas: I think mythbuntu will boot live cd and do what you need. |
| [23:07:24] | kormoc: | no live cd will do what you want |
| [23:07:32] | kormoc: | as we require to record to a drive |
| [23:07:39] | kormoc: | and thus needs a disk to write to |
| [23:07:55] | john3voltas: | mythtv requires to record? |
| [23:08:01] | Twiggy2cents: | Not to mention that livecd's are painfully slow |
| [23:08:08] | john3voltas: | can't i just watch instead of recording? |
| [23:08:11] | Twiggy2cents: | john3voltas, it has to store the file somewhere |
| [23:08:23] | Twiggy2cents: | Sure, but it is still going to store it to the hdd as you are watching. |
| [23:08:24] | john3voltas: | Twiggy2cents: can live with slowness |
| [23:08:37] | kormoc: | john3voltas, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . n_Live_TV.3F |
| [23:08:49] | Twiggy2cents: | Well, to be blunt. kormoc> no live cd will do what you want |
| [23:09:18] | kormoc: | john3voltas, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [23:09:52] | Twiggy2cents: | kormoc, that was the page I was looking for. I thought it was in the manual |
| [23:11:13] | john3voltas: | any of you lot here knows a way to check signal quality/strength on dvb-t? |
| [23:11:26] | Twiggy2cents: | with the dvb tools |
| [23:11:40] | john3voltas: | can you give me a link Twiggy2cents ? |
| [23:12:34] | john3voltas: | these? http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbtools/ |
| [23:15:15] | john3voltas: | if mythtv is too complex, i'd like to try a livecd with tools to check dbv-t quality strength and which have a player so that i can watch tv on occasions. |
| [23:15:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Twiggy2cents> Well, to be blunt. kormoc> no live cd will do what you want |
| [23:16:19] | kormoc: | john3voltas, if you don't want to record, then yes, mythtv is not your optimal choice |
| [23:16:21] | Twiggy2cents: | No tuning program is going to work right on a live cd |
| [23:16:47] | john3voltas: | Twiggy2cents: why is that? |
| [23:16:47] | Twiggy2cents: | Either find a windows program or dual boot or just wipe away the windows install |
| [23:18:35] | Twiggy2cents: | Because watching tv requires the drivers for the card, requires a good amount of memory to run stuff(which is where your livecd is loaded into) Requires non standard driver for the video card, and not to mention that you would have to re download and reset up everything every time |
| [23:19:12] | john3voltas: | there are livecd's with persistency |
| [23:19:57] | john3voltas: | how can i check the drivers for my dvb-t stick? |
| [23:20:46] | Twiggy2cents: | This is no long mythtv related and should be taken up elsewhere. |
| [23:21:11] | kormoc: | john3voltas, I believe mplayer/vlc can open up and view dvb device streams |
| [23:21:16] | kormoc: | that should be a quick way to test |
| [23:21:16] | Twiggy2cents: | And to answer your last question, it would involve lsusb and dmesg |
| [23:22:27] | john3voltas: | it doesn't show up on dmesg, at least can't spot it. |
| [23:23:11] | john3voltas: | ran a search on lsusb and didn't find anything interesting |
| [23:23:22] | Twiggy2cents: | what is the device? |
| [23:23:24] | john3voltas: | *on lsusb output |
| [23:23:42] | john3voltas: | it's an npg real dvb-t plus |
| [23:24:53] | john3voltas: | this one http://npgtech.com/106-real_dvb_t_plus-descripcion.html |
| [23:25:17] | Twiggy2cents: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices these are the supported devices |
| [23:25:45] | kormoc: | john3voltas, http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#NPG |
| [23:26:11] | Twiggy2cents: | It is not supported |
| [23:26:36] | john3voltas: | wow |
| [23:26:59] | john3voltas: | i'm returning it back tomorrow |
| [23:27:26] | john3voltas: | what would be a nice dvb-t usb stick? |
| [23:27:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Any on that list |
| [23:27:39] | wagnerrp: | anything listed as supported on the linuxtv wiki |
| [23:27:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt actually support tuner cards |
| [23:27:55] | wagnerrp: | we just support devices exposed through the linux dvb api |
| [23:28:03] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv project provides the drivers |
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| [23:29:11] | john3voltas: | wagnerrp: thanks for explaining that |
| [23:29:28] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, its exactly the same with windows |
| [23:29:35] | wagnerrp: | individual software packages dont support the hardware |
| [23:29:39] | wagnerrp: | they just support the generic APIs |
| [23:29:43] | Twiggy2cents: | john3voltas, why return it? If you dont plan on doing a full install of linux, there really isnt a reason to get rid of it due to lack of linux support |
| [23:29:46] | wagnerrp: | and its up to the manufacturers to provide drivers |
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| [23:30:39] | nordle: | wagberrp: Was there anything in those log links above that provided clues as to why my backend is flakier than a cadburys flake under 0.24x compared with prior versions? |
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| [23:31:09] | Twiggy2cents: | nordle, pastebin the whole backend |
| [23:31:23] | john3voltas: | Twiggy2cents: i use linux in a frugal way. have both puppy linux and debian "installed" that way on my laptop. it's like booting from cd |
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| [23:31:49] | wagnerrp: | nordle: specifically, what exact version are you using? |
| [23:31:56] | john3voltas: | and i'll return it because i can't make it work on Win 7 x64 too |
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| [23:32:11] | wagnerrp: | john3voltas: put simply, mythtv is not something you just 'boot into |
| [23:32:23] | wagnerrp: | it expects to have full control over the hardware at all times |
| [23:32:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I would extend that to high bitrate video playback is not something boot into |
| [23:32:46] | Twiggy2cents: | But I havent tried though |
| [23:32:49] | wagnerrp: | either you leave the system running mythtv/linux 24/7 |
| [23:33:01] | wagnerrp: | or you let mythtv manage the shutdown so it can schedule when to automatically boot back up |
| [23:33:13] | john3voltas: | but weren't there mythtv live cd's? live knopmyth? |
| [23:33:21] | wagnerrp: | for dedicated frontends |
| [23:33:29] | wagnerrp: | you have a backend server sitting in a basement somewhere |
| [23:33:35] | wagnerrp: | doing all your file storage and recording |
| [23:33:50] | wagnerrp: | and the livecd version of knoppmyth boots up, detects it, and connects to it automatically |
| [23:34:00] | john3voltas: | hmmm |
| [23:34:19] | john3voltas: | won't it work in a all-in-one box? |
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| [23:34:31] | wagnerrp: | sure it will, if you leave that all in one box running all the time |
| [23:34:44] | wagnerrp: | see that executive overview kormoc linked to |
| [23:34:50] | john3voltas: | exactly what in intend for the future |
| [23:34:54] | wagnerrp: | the backend and database must be run at all times |
| [23:35:13] | wagnerrp: | you can do whatever you want with the frontends |
| [23:35:25] | john3voltas: | but i can shutdown the ssystem for maintenance, right? |
| [23:35:36] | wagnerrp: | sure, but then mythtv cannot record during those times |
| [23:35:45] | john3voltas: | no proble, |
| [23:36:34] | john3voltas: | hmmmm, what are the hw requisites for a backend? |
| [23:36:47] | wagnerrp: | depends, what do you want to record? |
| [23:37:13] | john3voltas: | dvb-t/dvb-s |
| [23:37:24] | wagnerrp: | good base requirements are a 2GHz+ dual core processor and 2–4GB of memory |
| [23:37:43] | john3voltas: | wow! that much horse power? |
| [23:38:16] | john3voltas: | that won't run nicely on an atom... |
| [23:38:18] | wagnerrp: | that much? thats a standard desktop from like 2006 |
| [23:38:40] | john3voltas: | not where i live in lol |
| [23:38:46] | wagnerrp: | by the way, the most powerful Atom on the market is comparable to a single core desktop from 2003–2004 |
| [23:39:11] | nordle: | wagnerrp: according to mythfrontend --version its v0.24.1-97-g274470c. Its the 0.24.1-fixes branch under mythbuntu 11.10 |
| [23:39:36] | wagnerrp: | nordle: pity... seems that problem still remains |
| [23:39:46] | nordle: | Twiggy2cents: the log files are 5MB |
| [23:39:55] | john3voltas: | ok. it's late. |
| [23:40:04] | john3voltas: | i'll be back tomorrow. |
| [23:40:13] | john3voltas: | thanks for teh tips though |
| [23:40:22] | john3voltas: | cheers |
| [23:40:24] | nordle: | wagnerrp: Have I described a known problem then? One which you believed to be fixed? |
| [23:40:29] | Twiggy2cents: | well wagnerrp must knwo what the problem is, I guess the last day would be good on logs though. The last 50 doesnt give much to work with usually |
| [23:40:37] | wagnerrp: | nordle: sort of... |
| [23:40:45] | wagnerrp: | we know the problem exists, we dont know why the problem exists |
| [23:41:03] | wagnerrp: | there were a couple changes months back that we thought might resolve the problem, but it seems it just made it more rare |
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| [23:41:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I am on mythbuntu .24.1-fixes on my BE and have no issues. |
| [23:41:51] | Twiggy2cents: | Is it a hit or miss sorta thing |
| [23:41:56] | wagnerrp: | its a race condition |
| [23:42:01] | wagnerrp: | and a rare one at that |
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| [23:42:58] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, just give one of them a handicap then it shouldnt end in a tie |
| [23:43:26] | nordle: | wagnerrp: It seems to kick off at the start of a recording. Possibly poor reception, a blip that stops it recording. It also seems to show the message about AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 4.0 GB w/freq: 14 min TVRec(2): Changing from RecordingOnly to None then crashes/stops. |
| [23:44:20] | wagnerrp: | nordle: the problem is some deadlock in the backend protocol server |
| [23:44:28] | wagnerrp: | it stops servicing new requests |
| [23:44:41] | wagnerrp: | any local recordings continue unhindered |
| [23:44:52] | wagnerrp: | but any remote backends, as well as any frontends, are toast |
| [23:45:10] | wagnerrp: | only thing that can fix it is to restart the backend |
| [23:47:02] | nordle: | As mentioned, the box ran 0.23 fine, for days. Then upgraded to 0.24 by way of new install via mythbuntu and it happens 2–3 times a week. Sometimes after 24 hours, sometimes after 5 hours. This does not continue to service recordings. Well, when I reboot, or wake in the morning, the recording shows 0mb and the system fails to find the file when selecting it through the "Watch Recordings" It says "Recording unavailable" |
| [23:47:42] | wagnerrp: | the problem started in 0.24, but was not noticed by any of the devs, and only a very small fraction of users |
| [23:47:48] | nordle: | Right now, that Film 2011 recording that the log showed as recording. I restarted the backend, it cant find the file. |
| [23:47:58] | wagnerrp: | its a rare, but occurring, race condition |
| [23:48:49] | nordle: | I have two PCI Nova-t Cards....not sure if that helps. And I was attempting to record 2 programs at the same start time, BBC1 and BBC2, think thats the same multiplex. |
| [23:49:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont think anyone is looking at it |
| [23:49:37] | nordle: | oh, ok. Bummer. |
| [23:49:48] | wagnerrp: | it got a lot of attention like 10 months ago |
| [23:49:53] | wagnerrp: | there were a couple patches |
| [23:50:05] | wagnerrp: | and then people stopped complaining about it, presumably because it was fixed for most |
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| [23:51:24] | nordle: | wagnerrp: I might try pulling one of the Nova-T cards, just in case. Either that or maybe look at changing the hardware completely for something newer, that's maybe more in use. |
| [23:52:04] | nordle: | Thanks for looking though. I could always go back to 0.23 as a last resort. |
| [23:54:05] | nordle: | Or, maybe I could hack a script, something to test the backend status every minute and force a restart, then I'd hopefully only miss the first minute of a program. |
| [23:54:45] | kormoc: | scripts that hit the backend proto often can cause the deadlock too |
| [23:54:53] | nordle: | doh! |
| [23:57:53] | nordle: | Lastly, might look at tweaking the mysql.cnf. Will have a look at pulling a card and tweaking the mysql.cnf tomorrow. Never know, might get lucky with something. Cheers guys, have good evenings. Sleep :) |
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