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| [00:05:21] | nichos: | wagnerrp, all the lines in my lircrc file are mceusb_hauppauge |
| [00:05:43] | wagnerrp: | then from my understanding, none of them should work |
| [00:05:56] | nichos: | good, so I'm not totally crazy:) |
| [00:06:07] | nichos: | i'll try renaming it, as soon as the boss is done watching TV |
| [00:06:30] | nichos: | all i should have to do is restart lirc and mythfrontend, right? |
| [00:06:57] | wagnerrp: | lircd only needs to be restarted if you change lircd.conf |
| [00:07:14] | wagnerrp: | if youre changing the lircrc, that is client (mythfrontend) side |
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| [00:11:40] | nichos: | well hell that worked wagnerrp! |
| [00:11:45] | nichos: | thanks so much for your help |
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| [01:58:49] | nichos: | hi all, just upgraded to .24 from .23. I'm having issues changing channels in the PIP window. I can change the main screen window, but the PIP window won't change channels |
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| [02:03:46] | nichos: | are there different keys or something now? |
| [02:04:21] | wagnerrp: | should be the same |
| [02:04:42] | wagnerrp: | although livetv is one of those things that devs rarely use |
| [02:04:53] | wagnerrp: | and PIP is one of those things people who do use livetv rarely use |
| [02:05:32] | nichos: | i can change control back and forth like i always did, but it doesn't do anything when i CH up CH down on the PIP |
| [02:06:01] | nichos: | why wouldn't ppl who use live tv, use PIP? |
| [02:06:31] | wagnerrp: | when you have a DVR, why would you try to watch two things at once? |
| [02:06:46] | nichos: | football:) |
| [02:07:00] | nichos: | i can't get in to recording sporting events |
| [02:07:08] | nichos: | someone will always tell you the final score |
| [02:07:10] | wagnerrp: | record it, skip through for the 15 minutes of actual play per football game |
| [02:07:25] | wagnerrp: | start watching 10 minutes before the end of the game |
| [02:08:00] | nichos: | then I have to dedicate 8 hours to TV on sunday – don't think the wife will like that |
| [02:08:08] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [02:08:13] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:08:40] | nichos: | that's a lot of TV! |
| [02:08:45] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
| [02:09:02] | nichos: | but besides that, it was working in .23 – has no one reported this as a bug? Perhaps I'm doing something weird |
| [02:11:14] | wagnerrp: | what im saying is that football games comprise all of about 15–20 minutes of real gameplay |
| [02:11:38] | wagnerrp: | so you record it, skip through all the commercials, time outs, waiting for players to line up, etc... |
| [02:11:45] | wagnerrp: | and you watch 3–4 games in an hour |
| [02:11:51] | wagnerrp: | so no need for PIP |
| [02:12:50] | nichos: | That's sort of a hack – I mean, it's not a solution to the problem that PIP isn't working as it was before |
| [02:13:29] | wagnerrp: | PIP is sort of a hack – I mean, it's not a solution when you can record and dont have to watch multiple things at the same time |
| [02:13:31] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:14:38] | nichos: | I understand it may not be something you use, and I'm not trying to sound terse, but the devs put it in, and it was working. So there was some value to it |
| [02:14:46] | nichos: | or at least whoever coded it thought so |
| [02:16:48] | nichos: | I found it! http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9078 |
| [02:17:33] | nichos: | and look who the last comment is by :P |
| [02:18:32] | wagnerrp: | huh... 26716 actually looks like 0.23-fixes |
| [02:18:41] | wagnerrp: | wonder why i put 0.24 |
| [02:21:07] | nichos: | well, as long as it's reported |
| [02:21:22] | nichos: | thanks for your help tongiht wagnerrp |
| [02:23:33] | wagnerrp: | i think the plan is eventually to convert PIP to the new video widget |
| [02:23:50] | wagnerrp: | so its just one more element that can be used in or outside of playback |
| [02:23:56] | wagnerrp: | but... someone still has to write it |
| [02:25:26] | nichos: | in .25? |
| [02:26:26] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont think anyone has written it yet |
| [02:27:36] | nichos: | Got time for another quick ? |
| [02:27:41] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [02:27:52] | nichos: | Can you change the on screen display independent of the theme in .24? |
| [02:27:58] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:28:07] | nichos: | you could in 23 though right? |
| [02:28:08] | wagnerrp: | the OSD is part of the theme |
| [02:28:46] | nichos: | ah ok |
| [02:28:56] | nichos: | i'll have to see if I can find some new ones |
| [02:33:24] | [R]: | grrr |
| [02:33:27] | ** [R] hearts master ** | |
| [02:33:37] | [R]: | there was a bug in hdpvr fixed this morning |
| [02:33:54] | [R]: | and of course stupid mythbuntu builds havnet been updated |
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| [04:17:16] | Shred00: | if i want to compare two mpeg files' encoding characteristics (i.e. frame size, bit rate, etc.) what's the best tool to report on them? |
| [04:19:36] | wagnerrp: | mplayer -identify |
| [04:19:49] | wagnerrp: | chances are youve got that installed already |
| [04:20:00] | Shred00: | indeed. that plays the video though |
| [04:20:15] | wagnerrp: | so cancel it once playback starts |
| [04:20:24] | earthnative: | which isn't scriptable |
| [04:20:27] | wagnerrp: | or do '-frames 0' i think makes it decode nothing |
| [04:20:48] | wagnerrp: | theres an 'midentify' that comes with some packages that does exactly that |
| [04:20:50] | Shred00: | yeah, seems to |
| [04:21:15] | earthnative: | I'd bet that vlc would have a commandline option to do it, but I've forever been frustrated at the lack of info about it's labarynthine options |
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| [04:26:12] | Oleg_: | for blu-ray playback, would you use mplayer or mythtv player? |
| [04:26:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv |
| [04:27:14] | Shred00: | interesting. mpeg2 from my hauppage pvr-x50 is MPEG-PS @ 720x480 with a bitrate of 6Mb/s and an mpeg2 from my HVR-950Q is MPEG-TS @ 704x480 with a bitrate of 15Mb/s. the MPEG-PS is 1 hour long and 2.1MiB and the MPEG-TS is also 1 hour long and is .79MiB |
| [04:27:14] | Shred00: | something's not adding up |
| [04:27:39] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [04:27:43] | Shred00: | er. s/MiB/GiB/ |
| [04:28:16] | Shred00: | how can a 6Mb/s file be 3x the size of a 15Mb/s file for the same time duration? |
| [04:28:24] | wagnerrp: | because 15Mbps is a lie |
| [04:28:35] | Shred00: | i said "something's not adding up" |
| [04:28:41] | Shred00: | :-) |
| [04:29:02] | wagnerrp: | 15mbps is just some arbitrary value the encoder puts into the stream |
| [04:29:09] | wagnerrp: | it does not have to be correct, or even close |
| [04:30:20] | Oleg_: | Shred00, you recorded an analog broadcast? |
| [04:31:06] | Shred00: | Oleg_: the 2.2GiB file is recorded from analog. the .7GiB file is captured from clearqam |
| [04:31:10] | Oleg_: | we have only one remaining analog TV station in NYC, at least according to tvfool |
| [04:31:44] | wagnerrp: | 800MB for an hour of standard definition MPEG2 is pretty poor |
| [04:31:48] | wagnerrp: | but not very surprising |
| [04:32:20] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: pretty poor in which terms? too big, too low quality, something else? |
| [04:32:31] | wagnerrp: | too low quality |
| [04:33:25] | Shred00: | maybe it's just my old eyes, but it seems as good as the 2.1GiB pvr-x50 recording |
| [04:33:36] | wagnerrp: | when you factor in audio, and overhead from it being a TS, youre looking at maybe 1.4Mbps |
| [04:33:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, im not saying the 2.1GB from a PVR is particularly good either |
| [04:33:55] | Shred00: | i should actually record the same program on both analog and digital side-by-side and play them back to compare |
| [04:34:14] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about a cheap consumer hardware encoder, versus an expensive commercial grade encoder |
| [04:34:29] | wagnerrp: | the commercial encoder should be capable of more efficient compression and smaller sized |
| [04:34:47] | Oleg_: | Shred00, how many analog stations you still have remaining in your area? |
| [04:34:47] | Shred00: | indeed. the difference is 3x though. |
| [04:34:53] | wagnerrp: | but 1.4Mbps is just too small |
| [04:35:02] | Oleg_: | or you recorded it from analog cable? |
| [04:35:09] | wagnerrp: | Shred00: correct, the default bitrate for PVR cards is 4.4Mbps |
| [04:35:32] | [R]: | this LCARS theme is making me nautious |
| [04:35:37] | wagnerrp: | Shred00: note that DVDs, which are also standard definition mpeg2, tend to be 4–7Mbps |
| [04:35:43] | Shred00: | with a 3:1 ratio one can understand why i am always hell bent on the scheduler arranging multi-rec recordings to get all digital recordings vs. some mixture of digital and analog |
| [04:44:43] | lapion: | wagnerrp, isn't it so that dvb streams are are recorded at the bitrate they enter ? so he should have broadcast quality on the dvb card ? |
| [04:45:15] | wagnerrp: | i think what you intended to say is correct, but you chose a screwy way of saying it |
| [04:45:55] | lapion: | yeah I could've used a less poetic way of saying that.. |
| [04:46:28] | wagnerrp: | digital broadcasts are an all-or-nothing affair |
| [04:46:50] | wagnerrp: | either you capture the perfect bit-accurate stream as it came out of the encoder at the broadcast station, or you get nothing |
| [04:46:54] | wagnerrp: | and there is very little in between |
| [04:47:25] | wagnerrp: | so that .79GB recording is "broadcast quality", whatever the quality of that encoder happened to be |
| [04:47:35] | wagnerrp: | and at such a low bitrate, that quality is pretty poor |
| [04:48:02] | lapion: | too bad they don't use an extra ts for ecc |
| [04:48:12] | wagnerrp: | they do |
| [04:48:24] | wagnerrp: | you can lose a lot of data before you fail recovery |
| [04:48:36] | wagnerrp: | you only need to capture somewhere around 80% of the singal |
| [04:50:25] | lapion: | that doesn't for encoded streams |
| [04:50:53] | lapion: | +count |
| [04:51:13] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:51:26] | lapion: | that doesn't count for encoded streams |
| [04:51:36] | wagnerrp: | what doesnt? |
| [04:51:42] | lapion: | sorry encrypted streams |
| [04:51:58] | wagnerrp: | why doesnt it? |
| [04:52:18] | wagnerrp: | the broadcast isnt encrypted, only the bitstream it contains is |
| [04:52:26] | wagnerrp: | error correction is performed on the broadcast |
| [04:52:34] | lapion: | as soon a stream is encrypted you need a higher bitrate |
| [04:52:37] | wagnerrp: | before anything leaves the card |
| [04:52:41] | wagnerrp: | why is that? |
| [04:53:31] | wagnerrp: | what does encryption have anything to do with bitrate? |
| [04:54:12] | lapion: | whenever you encrypt a stream the amount of data send is more.. |
| [04:54:32] | wagnerrp: | no it isnt, not by much anyway |
| [04:55:09] | wagnerrp: | the most it would increase is if you had to pad out some data for your encryption structure |
| [04:55:30] | lapion: | ever tried compressing an encrypted file? |
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| [04:55:48] | wagnerrp: | who said anything about compression? |
| [04:56:36] | lapion: | because of the encryption there is less tolerance for error. |
| [04:58:25] | wagnerrp: | the error correct is applied to the data stream |
| [04:58:39] | wagnerrp: | whether that data stream is encrypted or not makes absolutely no difference |
| [04:59:00] | lapion: | at a friends home I neede to put up an external antenna to get hitch free reception on for the encrypted channels.. |
| [04:59:33] | wagnerrp: | which has nothing to do with encryption |
| [04:59:56] | wagnerrp: | and everything to do with the fact that the encrypted channels just happen to be on a transmitter that you need a bigger antenna to pick up |
| [05:00:40] | wagnerrp: | ok... |
| [05:00:48] | wagnerrp: | the term youre getting at is 'entropy' |
| [05:01:03] | wagnerrp: | all compression serves to make the data more entropy dense |
| [05:01:31] | wagnerrp: | low entropy means the data has patterns, and patterns can be used to reconstruct the data from a partial set |
| [05:01:36] | wagnerrp: | meaning redundant data |
| [05:01:47] | wagnerrp: | lossless compression does this directly |
| [05:01:50] | lapion: | the unencrypted channel mostly had hitch free reception, and only small hitches, whereas the encrypted channels would drop of for some secs at the first hitch |
| [05:02:08] | wagnerrp: | lossy compression throws away the less relevant information, keeping only the most important bits |
| [05:02:34] | lapion: | there is only one broadcasting antenna .. |
| [05:02:40] | wagnerrp: | encryption increases entropy artificially, as any patterns in an encrypted file or stream means a way to learn about the scheme or key |
| [05:02:56] | wagnerrp: | that means all of these have high entropy, and do not compress well |
| [05:03:09] | wagnerrp: | try compressing an mpeg file some time |
| [05:03:28] | wagnerrp: | it wont get you much, and it may even end up with a larger file than you started out with |
| [05:03:33] | wagnerrp: | so... back to error correction |
| [05:03:44] | wagnerrp: | it works by adding ADDITIONAL information into the stream |
| [05:03:52] | wagnerrp: | that additional information is then used for redundancy |
| [05:04:16] | wagnerrp: | and it works exactly the same for a completely random (high entropy) file as it does for nothing but a stream of zeros |
| [05:05:00] | wagnerrp: | the only reason you would need a larger antenna is because from your location, those channels had a lower effective power |
| [05:05:08] | wagnerrp: | and thus you needed higher gain to receive it |
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| [05:05:53] | wagnerrp: | the transmitter could have a lower EIRP |
| [05:06:04] | wagnerrp: | either from lower broadcast power, or a lower gain antenna |
| [05:06:17] | wagnerrp: | it could be at a frequency that has more trouble getting through the atmosphere |
| [05:06:39] | wagnerrp: | there are any number of reasons, but the fact that it is encrypted is irrelevant |
| [05:07:44] | lapion: | is the ecc within the encrypted stream ? or is the encrypted stream ecc'd ? |
| [05:08:11] | wagnerrp: | the encrypted stream is just one of many in the broadcast |
| [05:08:18] | wagnerrp: | and ECC is applied to the whole broadcast |
| [05:08:38] | lapion: | yes but is it not encrypted as well ? |
| [05:08:50] | wagnerrp: | why would the broadcast itself be encrypted? |
| [05:08:55] | wagnerrp: | what purpose would that serve? |
| [05:09:41] | wagnerrp: | theyre not trying to make it hard to receive |
| [05:09:53] | wagnerrp: | theyre just trying to make it hard to decrypt if youre not a paying customer |
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| [05:21:30] | lapion: | well one miss can mean that the a whole stream doesn't conform to the decryption key anymore, while in unencrypted stream a simple artifact is all you get to see and the stream is continued. |
| [05:22:26] | wagnerrp: | its an encryption scheme designed for streaming |
| [05:22:47] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up decryption at any point, just like with playback of TS files |
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| [05:33:52] | Shred00: | hrm. the FE reports the BE's schema when there is a mismatch but not it's own it seems. i.e. |
| [05:33:52] | Shred00: | 2011-10–17 01:31:45.418092 I [11653/11653] CoreContext schemawizard.cpp:118 (Compare) – Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1282 |
| [05:33:52] | Shred00: | 2011-10–17 01:31:45.418168 C [11653/11653] CoreContext schemawizard.cpp:136 (CompareAndWait) – MythTV database schema is old. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded. |
| [05:33:52] | Shred00: | but nothing saying what the FE wants the BE's schema to be |
| [05:34:19] | lapion: | maybe the problem lies with the decryption hardware not being powerfull enough to engage error correction in time.. |
| [05:34:49] | wagnerrp: | the decryption hardware doesnt need to do error correction |
| [05:35:07] | wagnerrp: | because its only ever dealing with a bit perfect stream |
| [05:35:34] | wagnerrp: | Shred00: the frontend wants schema version 1283 |
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| [05:35:40] | wagnerrp: | but chances are you did something very wrong |
| [05:36:01] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: "did something wrong" is for me? |
| [05:36:10] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:36:45] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: well, not so much "wrong", just "hopeful" — that i could update the FE without updating the BE, which can usually be done. |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | that has never been an option for mythtv |
| [05:37:17] | wagnerrp: | and its generally not an option for most softwares that come in multiple parts |
| [05:37:19] | Shred00: | i have a video stream that my current FE is choking on trying to seek in and i wanted to test on the latest code before opening a bug. |
| [05:37:30] | lapion: | why are 2 bytes out of the 64 bits used for checksum ? |
| [05:37:58] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: of course the FE and BE can be updated (quite usually) independently as long as there is no schema change. i have historically done many updates to the FE between schema updates. |
| [05:38:19] | wagnerrp: | Shred00: yes, but you updated your frontend to the developmental version |
| [05:39:13] | Shred00: | wagnerrp: yes. i mean to refer to the development version when i say i typically can update many times between schema changes. i can update the FE daily for example until the BE schema changes which seems to only happen (at least most recently) every few weeks on average. |
| [05:39:18] | wagnerrp: | which is currently 19 revisions beyond 0.24 |
| [05:39:54] | wagnerrp: | last update was on the 5th |
| [05:40:00] | Shred00: | but of course one has to expect every now and then to have to update the BE also |
| [05:40:30] | Shred00: | 12 days ago. i'd certainly call 12 days a few weeks. :-) |
| [05:40:41] | wagnerrp: | a few is usually three |
| [05:41:01] | wagnerrp: | before that, it was sept 16, and then the 7th, and the 21st, and the 12th |
| [05:41:09] | wagnerrp: | so on average less than two |
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| [05:42:30] | Shred00: | geez. if we are going to bicker about the definition of "few": http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/few |
| [05:42:30] | Shred00: | 1. not many but more than one |
| [05:42:30] | Shred00: | that means >1 or >=2. |
| [05:43:38] | wagnerrp: | in any case, periodic schema updates are par for the course of running the developmental version |
| [05:44:21] | Shred00: | of course. i don't think i ever said it wasn't. i was just pointing out that the FE at no time seems to report what schema version it expects when it finds a mismatch. |
| [05:44:21] | Shred00: | my point is still valid though, that one can update an FE many times between having to update the BE and while one should not be surprised by the need to update the BE on master, one can reasonably hope to not have to in order to update the FE. |
| [05:45:03] | Shred00: | anyway. it's too late for this sort of thing and i am going to bed. i will update the BE tomorrow (after required precautions, like taking a snapshot first) and test the FE again and file a bug if it still chokes on seeking in this particular file. |
| [05:45:28] | lapion: | but why are you so afraid to update the be ? |
| [05:45:48] | wagnerrp: | because its his production backend, running developmental myth |
| [05:46:01] | lapion: | if you are using the dev version you should allway keep up on both fe an be .. |
| [05:47:15] | lapion: | either don't use a dev version for a production system or keep up to date i'd say.. |
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| [07:07:27] | justinh: | PiP is for people with short attention spans. Like children. IMHO |
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| [07:13:27] | justinh: | or just for testing tuners. keep it for that at least :) |
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| [08:32:09] | Oleg_: | I have one unused PCI slot. What should I buy and put in it? |
| [08:33:05] | laga: | roasted chicken wings |
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| [08:36:07] | justinh: | a PCI toastie maker! |
| [08:36:17] | justinh: | or a PCI popcorn machine |
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| [09:22:54] | sid3windr: | pci barbecue |
| [09:23:00] | sid3windr: | OMGPCIBBQ |
| [09:23:00] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [09:29:21] | ** quicksilver considers switching from S-video to VGA since his new TV has VGA in ** | |
| [09:33:03] | justinh: | you'll be lucky if it supports any more than 1024x768 |
| [09:33:33] | justinh: | seen quite a few tellies with 'computer input' that only do one resolution |
| [09:33:38] | quicksilver: | the TV supports 1300x700-ish |
| [09:33:46] | quicksilver: | WXGA do they call it? |
| [09:33:50] | justinh: | no idea |
| [09:34:01] | justinh: | at 50Hz? |
| [09:34:12] | justinh: | you need 50Hz for 0 tearing |
| [09:34:32] | quicksilver: | 60Hz |
| [09:34:34] | justinh: | or 100Hz :) |
| [09:34:43] | justinh: | 75Hz too I suppose |
| [09:34:59] | quicksilver: | doesn't support anything @ 50Hz |
| [09:35:02] | justinh: | not that LCD even *has* a refresh rate :-\ |
| [09:35:10] | quicksilver: | 1280x768 at 75Hz it can do |
| [09:35:47] | quicksilver: | I don't actually have any HD content though |
| [09:35:57] | quicksilver: | just thought I might get a better SD picture |
| [09:36:44] | justinh: | where myth is doing the scaling rather than the telly. depends on the scaler in the telly :-) |
| [09:36:56] | justinh: | or rather, X is doing it |
| [09:37:32] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [09:37:41] | justinh: | think I've decided to buy a spare CRT TV for when the current one we've got breaks |
| [09:37:43] | quicksilver: | but you lose the fuzziness of S-video |
| [09:37:58] | justinh: | I've had enough of looking at awful LCD panels at the weekend |
| [09:38:01] | quicksilver: | which is good and bad |
| [09:38:12] | quicksilver: | fuzziness is quite good for disguising DVB artefacts |
| [09:38:20] | justinh: | so is CRT |
| [09:38:24] | quicksilver: | nod |
| [09:38:39] | justinh: | saw ITV HD. Looked just as artifacty as ITV |
| [09:38:53] | quicksilver: | what I've seen so far of BBC HD is quite good |
| [09:39:03] | quicksilver: | watched an episode of planet dinosaur |
| [09:39:07] | justinh: | sigh |
| [09:39:17] | justinh: | so you've seen sh**e in HD now :-) |
| [09:39:47] | justinh: | all well & good when it's the norm, but so far I've not felt compelled to buy into it |
| [09:40:58] | justinh: | new telly required, and still only less than 10% of all UK TV output is shot in HD (so many SD repeats) – the HD looks nice I'll admit but SDTV looks like utter crap on big panels |
| [09:42:03] | quicksilver: | well our panel is quite moderate in size |
| [09:42:32] | quicksilver: | and I forget about the crapness if I'm actually interested in what I'm watching |
| [09:42:36] | quicksilver: | but yes, basically, you're right. |
| [09:42:43] | quicksilver: | (The PS3 looks lovely on the new screen though :P) |
| [09:42:47] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:42:58] | justinh: | shudder. I maye have to buy another game console one day |
| [09:43:11] | quicksilver: | slightly to my surprised, iPlayer HD streaming seems OK |
| [09:43:23] | quicksilver: | it's almost as if Auntie have finally learnt codec settings which don't suck |
| [09:44:02] | justinh: | I don't quite swallow the tales of iplayer being sourced off air |
| [09:44:29] | justinh: | for one thing, BBC THREE shows on iplayer don't have the BBC THREE DoG :-P |
| [09:45:38] | quicksilver: | the bitrate for BBC HD and BBC iPlayer HD are almost the same, IIRC |
| [09:45:45] | justinh: | is the HD really HD? I thought it was just HQ |
| [09:45:47] | quicksilver: | but they have more flexibility in codec with the IP streaming |
| [09:45:53] | quicksilver: | it's really HD |
| [09:46:07] | justinh: | no I mean really like 8–9Mb/sec |
| [09:46:17] | quicksilver: | 3200Kbps |
| [09:46:22] | justinh: | ugh |
| [09:46:40] | justinh: | better than not seeing something *ever* I suppose |
| [09:46:43] | quicksilver: | IP is 3200Kbps, I think he said typical over the air is 3600Kbps |
| [09:46:51] | justinh: | woah |
| [09:46:58] | quicksilver: | "he" == friend of mine with access to the BBC video backend |
| [09:47:10] | quicksilver: | although I didn't write down the exact details so I might have forgotten |
| [09:47:18] | justinh: | the SDTV on BBC Freeview channels is about 3600Kbps I think |
| [09:47:35] | justinh: | HD is somewhere about 8–9Mbits IIRC |
| [09:49:55] | quicksilver: | maybe he was wrong or I misunderstood |
| [09:51:05] | justinh: | wouldn't be like BBC techies to BS :-P |
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| [10:19:52] | justinh: | anyhoo, safest to say iplayer looks better than any youtube schlock :) |
| [10:20:26] | justinh: | eew. HD on iplayer is 'up to' 3600Kbps, 720P |
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| [10:43:00] | hashbang: | @juntinh I really like my Panasonic TX-28DTX11 CRT. Only think I don't like is the 100Hz kills my old PlayStation 1 light gun games, and there's no workaround. |
| [10:43:24] | hashbang: | er, justinh, even... |
| [10:44:01] | hashbang: | justinh: cost me £210 about 4 years ago, but my dad picked up a slightly banged-up one for £50 |
| [10:44:28] | hashbang: | justinh: (they were about £600 when they were new) |
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| [10:47:37] | justinh: | my card winced when I bought my telly |
| [10:47:47] | justinh: | 32" TV & VCR.. came to almost a grand |
| [10:48:19] | justinh: | I stayed away from everything 100Hz. Voodoo horsecrap |
| [10:50:21] | justinh: | they all seemed to be sold on the 'eliminates annoying flicker' line – to which I thought "eh? WHAT annoying flicker?" |
| [10:54:05] | justinh: | but, I figure if I really do have to 'upgrade' to HD I'll just buy something astoundingly cheap. I've seen expensive sets which underwhelm me as much as the cheaper ones. what's the point paying more? :-) |
| [10:54:47] | justinh: | it's not really as if I watch much, and my wife isn't bothered by poor quality. I mean, she watches way too much ITV |
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| [11:00:51] | hashbang: | justinh: heh |
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| [11:40:55] | Shred00: | lapion: quite the opposite i say. don't fix what ain't broke. why would i be eager to jump from a version that has been shown to be working to a version that might not if i am not experiencing any problems with the version i am on. even if it is from master? what benefit is there to outweigh the risk of the next one i jump to being broken? |
| [11:43:57] | Oleg_: | so, there are hardware and software dvrs; there are hardware and software blu-ray/dvd players, but only hardware vcrs exist? there is no such thing as a software vcr? |
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| [11:46:16] | Oleg_: | there are only hardware tv tuner cards, but software tv tuner cards don't exist? |
| [11:47:02] | Oleg_: | this hardware/software distinction can drive a person nuts |
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| [11:47:58] | Oleg_: | well, mysql is a software server, but it's not a hardware server, as far as I know |
| [11:49:36] | Shred00: | Oleg_: what are you driving at exactly? fwiw, there are no "software" tuner cards. tuning a radio frequency requires hardware. no way around that. |
| [11:50:00] | Oleg_: | tivo is a hardware dvr unlike mythtv? |
| [11:50:24] | Shred00: | not really. it's hardware and software combined like mythtv. |
| [11:50:38] | aberrios: | Oleg_, tivo still contains software. The hardware would be useless without the software telling it what to do. |
| [11:51:02] | aberrios: | Oleg_, similarly the software would be useless without some hardware to do the work for it. |
| [11:51:53] | Oleg_: | so, tivo is a hardware dvr that relies on software, and mythtv is a software dvr that relies on hardware? |
| [11:52:10] | aberrios: | Oleg_, not quite |
| [11:52:21] | aberrios: | Oleg_, Software and Hardware rely on each other. |
| [11:52:23] | Shred00: | Oleg_: no. they are both the same thing. hardware and software working in concert to achieve a goal. |
| [11:53:10] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [11:53:24] | aberrios: | Oleg_, you could, in theory, have the same piece of hardware and one day have TiVo software on it, looking and running like TiVo and the next day have MythTV on it running and looking like Myth |
| [11:53:42] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [11:54:01] | justinh: | nice theory |
| [11:54:19] | aberrios: | yeah, in practice it doesn't work, but you get the idea. |
| [11:54:57] | justinh: | in practice, appliances tend to use devices which there aren't linux drivers for let alone software support ;) |
| [11:55:15] | justinh: | at least, not drivers mere mortals can get hold of |
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| [12:06:54] | Shred00: | justinh: glad you added that caveat as we all know tivos actually run linux, so the drivers for their proprietary hardware exist, just not source available. |
| [12:07:57] | hashbang: | at the risk of confusing Oleg_, remember that analogue TV cards used to stuff the decoded TV picture directly into the VGA card's frame buffer, whilst modern DVB-x/ATSC DTV tuners rely on an MPEG decoder running on the host CPU |
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| [12:12:36] | justinh: | VGA card's frame buffer via the PCI bus ;-) |
| [12:16:32] | hashbang: | justinh: did some early analogue cards use the header on old PCI cards, or was that just hardware DVD/laserdisc/VCD cards? |
| [12:19:19] | justinh: | maybe *very* old cards did |
| [12:19:56] | justinh: | I didn't really pay any attention to PC video capture til the pentium era |
| [12:20:14] | justinh: | which was around the time I got burned with that ATI AiW card :-\ |
| [12:22:34] | hashbang: | justinh: my first experience was with a relatively well-behaved NICAM/FM Bt878 card from Maplin; was £39.99 or so, and built by the recently-bankrupt Pace |
| [12:22:35] | justinh: | gah. is there a decent photo manager for linux that doesn't go by the name f-spot? |
| [12:22:47] | justinh: | f-spot sucks |
| [12:22:52] | hashbang: | justinh: what are you trying to do? |
| [12:23:05] | justinh: | manage some photos |
| [12:23:14] | hashbang: | *facepalm* |
| [12:23:22] | justinh: | I dump everything from my camera memory cards to a shared dir |
| [12:23:34] | justinh: | everything from year X goes in the <year> dir |
| [12:23:43] | justinh: | but now I'm wanting to arrange them by month too |
| [12:23:54] | hashbang: | justinh: sounds like a job for a script, to me |
| [12:23:55] | justinh: | and do quick deletes, rotates etc |
| [12:24:19] | justinh: | at least Windows has a rotate shell option |
| [12:25:03] | justinh: | & it comes with basic metadata listing for folder views |
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| [12:27:10] | justinh: | oo. picasa is available for loonix |
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| [12:34:25] | justinh: | arghh nuts |
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| [12:55:37] | justinh: | hrm. picasa is a bit poo for this job |
| [12:58:01] | justinh: | create a new folder & it doesn't actually make a new dir |
| [12:58:39] | justinh: | oh wait. yes it did |
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| [13:22:51] | justinh: | still too long-winded. found a nautilus script to rename files to their exit creation date, then I can script moving the files |
| [13:26:47] | elkin: | justinh: do you mean exif? |
| [13:27:48] | elkin: | if so, this is the tool I use to get my images from our camera to our system "exiftool -r -d newplace/%Y/%m/%d/%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S.%%e "-filename<datetimeoriginal" oldplace" |
| [13:28:26] | justinh: | nice |
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| [13:28:44] | elkin: | justinh: it renames on the fly |
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| [15:16:08] | Shred00: | hrm. getting a db error on 376cd54: http://pastebin.com/YUfZmfGD |
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| [16:24:29] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, channel group exist in 0.23 and 0.24? |
| [16:26:09] | wagnerrp: | i would assume so, none of that stuff has changed recently |
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| [16:27:08] | FabriceMG: | oki, thx |
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| [17:00:25] | Oleg_: | I read that h264/1080p compression is now a part of the ATSC standard. |
| [17:00:43] | wagnerrp: | 1080p was always part of the standard, and is technically not a compression |
| [17:00:53] | wagnerrp: | h264 was added some time last year |
| [17:01:10] | wagnerrp: | but is likely never to be used due to the lack of hardware support |
| [17:03:18] | Oleg_: | but mpeg2 is a really old and dated codec |
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| [17:04:03] | Oleg_: | I mean, it uses dated techniques for compressing stuff |
| [17:06:10] | Oleg_: | which means it produces image quality that is not so good |
| [17:06:13] | Oleg_: | am I wrong? |
| [17:08:00] | wagnerrp: | correct, MPEG2 was finalized in the early 90s |
| [17:08:19] | wagnerrp: | h264 was finalized in 2003, usually good for 2–3x the compression efficiency as MPEG2 |
| [17:09:38] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that ATSC is nearly as old as MPEG2 |
| [17:09:56] | wagnerrp: | and there is a huge amount of entrenched hardware that does not have support for H264 (MPEG4AVC) |
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| [17:10:19] | wagnerrp: | so you can't just add a new codec without making all those tvs non-functional |
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| [17:14:07] | Oleg_: | it's hard for me to believe that the digital standard will continue relying on these dated techniques for video compression |
| [17:14:19] | wagnerrp: | how would you propose it be changed? |
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| [17:21:47] | Oleg_: | eventually, there will be more hardware capable of decoding h264 |
| [17:22:10] | wagnerrp: | and all those people with old hardware not capable? |
| [17:22:32] | wagnerrp: | especially those running DTAs with old CRT televisions |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | do you propose another debacle like that? |
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| [17:28:05] | Beirdo: | argh. My home link seems to be down |
| [17:28:26] | Beirdo: | at least it waited until I was back from camping, but dangit anyways |
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| [17:31:18] | Oleg_: | well, color TVs eventually replaced black-and-white TVs. dvds replaced vhs; blu-rays replaced dvds; digital replaced analog. So, humanity constantly creates newer technologies and any older technology eventually becomes obsolete. It means that eventually mpeg2 codec will become obsolete. |
| [17:31:41] | wagnerrp: | NTSC color was backwards compatible with black and white |
| [17:32:00] | wagnerrp: | right up until the analog shutdown, you could still watch broadcasts with an old black and white tv |
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| [17:32:49] | wagnerrp: | bluray players support DVDs, so its not like everyone's existing collection is obsolete overnight |
| [17:32:54] | wagnerrp: | and you can still buy DVDs anyway |
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| [17:33:13] | wagnerrp: | just like you could still buy VHS tapes up until a couple years ago |
| [17:33:25] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that with broadcast television, you have limited bandwidth |
| [17:33:45] | wagnerrp: | so if someone wants to broadcast in h264, they cant simultaneously broadcast in mpeg2 |
| [17:33:58] | wagnerrp: | unless they want to have the mpeg2 stream at a lower resolution to fit |
| [17:36:25] | Beirdo: | Blargh! |
| [17:36:55] | Beirdo: | I wish we could stop backporting to 0.24. It's removing focus from getting 0.25 done. |
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| [17:46:48] | jams: | wagnerrp- just got an email from my accountant. "There is a bogus IRS email making the rounds. Don't fall for it the IRS wil NEVER EVER email you" |
| [17:47:04] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [17:47:21] | wagnerrp: | jams: right, but amusingly, it comes routed through an irs.gov server |
| [17:47:30] | jams: | thought you would find it amusing since you got the bogus email. |
| [17:48:35] | jams: | well i suppose if the drones can be keylogged then using a irs.gov relay isn't impossible |
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| [17:55:40] | wagnerrp: | seems ICANN has taken over control of the Olsen database |
| [17:59:57] | jams: | it's a stupid lawsuit |
| [18:00:16] | wagnerrp: | the guy was planning on ceding control over to ICANN anyway |
| [18:00:18] | wagnerrp: | he wanted to retire |
| [18:00:37] | Beirdo: | many lawsuits are stupid when you get right down to it |
| [18:00:48] | jams: | dont't blame him for that |
| [18:00:50] | jams: | yes they are |
| [18:01:35] | wagnerrp: | jams: i mean he had emailed a notice as such back in february or so |
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| [18:31:32] | Beirdo: | yay. fixed my connection. It was just an IPv6 tunnel bounce needed |
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| [19:57:58] | mcmoyer: | Just upgraded my network to gigabit connections this weekend. Every pc had a built in gigabit except for my backend :( Bought an ASUS NX1101 and spent several hours trying to get it working – it never did. |
| [19:58:44] | mcmoyer: | Was about to try the Trendnet adapter PCITXR — any recommendations for/against it? |
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| [19:59:38] | mcmoyer: | Actually, the ASUS did eventually work, but for only around 10 minutes before you had to bounce the networking service. |
| [20:00:02] | mcmoyer: | My wife was none to happy that Desperate Housewives appeared in 6 10 minute chunks ;) |
| [20:00:59] | wagnerrp: | cant go wrong with intel |
| [20:01:11] | wagnerrp: | (unless of course you end up buying counterfeit cards) |
| [20:02:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106033 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106121 |
| [20:04:12] | Moscherkobold: | hello, |
| [20:04:13] | Moscherkobold: | maybe someone of you can help me |
| [20:04:13] | Moscherkobold: | frontendlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/711278 |
| [20:04:39] | wagnerrp: | youre using AMD graphics |
| [20:04:45] | Moscherkobold: | jap |
| [20:04:47] | wagnerrp: | and a framegrabber |
| [20:05:12] | Moscherkobold: | maybe, not sure what a framegrabber is |
| [20:05:20] | wagnerrp: | what tuner card are you trying to capture from? |
| [20:05:32] | Moscherkobold: | analog |
| [20:05:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, but what tuner card? |
| [20:05:48] | Moscherkobold: | brand? |
| [20:05:52] | wagnerrp: | model |
| [20:05:59] | Moscherkobold: | one moment |
| [20:06:38] | Moscherkobold: | sundtek media tv pro |
| [20:09:11] | justinh: | yup. framegrabber. cheap & dirty as they come |
| [20:09:37] | Moscherkobold: | can you help? do you also need the backendlog? |
| [20:10:35] | Moscherkobold: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/711289 |
| [20:11:07] | justinh: | you need working video drivers. for ati that generally means using the binary ones from ATI not the open source ones |
| [20:11:32] | justinh: | you might be lucky & the graphics hardware might still be supported by them |
| [20:11:36] | Moscherkobold: | i can download from the ATI website? |
| [20:11:59] | justinh: | it's generally a better idea to use the non-free ones your distro can provide in a packaged form |
| [20:12:48] | wagnerrp: | Moscherkobold: you may also want to see if you can find a used PVR-150 |
| [20:12:55] | wagnerrp: | over here, they go for ~$20 |
| [20:13:02] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the going rates are in germany |
| [20:13:05] | justinh: | regarding the backend log, it seems your audio hardware doesn't support 32khz sampling rate |
| [20:13:06] | Moscherkobold: | i have installed these proprietäry things |
| [20:13:40] | Moscherkobold: | but i still have a AMD unsupported hardware in a corner of my screen |
| [20:13:54] | justinh: | ah unsupported |
| [20:14:06] | justinh: | that means.... the driver doesn't support your hardware. probably |
| [20:14:15] | wagnerrp: | what card? the proprietary drives drop support for old hardware pretty quickly |
| [20:14:28] | Moscherkobold: | justinh: in can solve this audio problem by setting force audio rate in the capture card menu |
| [20:14:37] | wagnerrp: | if its a discrete card, your best bet would just be to pick up an nvidia card |
| [20:14:39] | justinh: | Moscherkobold: yup |
| [20:14:49] | Moscherkobold: | these new amd thing with cpu+gpu |
| [20:14:54] | wagnerrp: | llano? |
| [20:14:54] | justinh: | bleugh |
| [20:15:06] | justinh: | no linux support yet for that I'll bet |
| [20:15:10] | wagnerrp: | the quad-core chips? |
| [20:15:18] | Moscherkobold: | yep |
| [20:15:44] | wagnerrp: | its a 5-series derivative, if the drivers dont support it, chances are you just need newer drivers |
| [20:16:09] | wagnerrp: | of course, even when the drivers do support it, that term should be stated with finger-quotes |
| [20:16:09] | Moscherkobold: | i will have a look at the ati homepage |
| [20:16:26] | wagnerrp: | AMD "supports" their cards on linux... poorly |
| [20:16:41] | wagnerrp: | theyre getting better |
| [20:16:51] | wagnerrp: | theyve improved from cesspool to mediocre |
| [20:17:16] | justinh: | where mediocre means that you'll be lucky if they still support your hardware in 3 months time |
| [20:18:02] | Moscherkobold: | can you help me to find a driver? |
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| [20:18:43] | justinh: | I'd sooner buy you a nvidia card :-P |
| [20:18:56] | Moscherkobold: | thanks :) |
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| [20:19:25] | justinh: | amd should get out of the graphics market altogether. they keep on burning linux users badly |
| [20:20:09] | wagnerrp: | things have improved significantly since AMD bought ATI |
| [20:20:22] | wagnerrp: | but to be honest, who really cares about the linux graphics market? |
| [20:20:51] | justinh: | nvidia seemingly do |
| [20:21:07] | wagnerrp: | you dont run linux for video games |
| [20:21:17] | justinh: | I don't run any computer for games |
| [20:21:18] | wagnerrp: | which leaves professional users |
| [20:21:31] | wagnerrp: | firegl and quadro stuff |
| [20:21:36] | justinh: | games are too difficult for me to hold my interest long |
| [20:21:52] | wagnerrp: | and... nvidia is certainly stomping amd in the professional market |
| [20:22:18] | wagnerrp: | but thats because nvidia has no choice, being marginalized out of the low end embedded market |
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| [20:24:20] | brockp: | We heavily use Nvidia CUDA stuff on linux machines I have about 180 Nvidia boards on linux |
| [20:24:29] | brockp: | CUDA != graphics though. |
| [20:24:58] | justinh: | anyway, closed or not, nvidia are winning on linux right now |
| [20:25:15] | brockp: | To use CUDA you must have their module loaded |
| [20:25:20] | brockp: | justinh: agree |
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| [20:35:16] | mcmoyer: | was thinking about getting another tuner for my setup…have 1 silicon dust 2 tuner model right now. Any benefits to getting a card based one? |
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| [20:35:37] | mcmoyer: | wanting to add an additional tuner |
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| [20:41:26] | bergqvistjl: | I have a problem with the Weather underground weather source in MythTV v.024 at least – 3 Day forcast and 6 day forcast appear to be accurate, but stuck on 22:00 PM and i'm not sure if that's normal or not, and current conditions has no data whatsoever. Just a missing icon and no values for the weather data, just the units |
| [20:43:44] | Ankhwatcher: | I seem to have broken mythbuntu's ability to skip login, any ideas for how to get it back? |
| [20:44:33] | brockp: | mcmoyer: by card based do you mean CableCard? Or like pci-e card? |
| [20:45:31] | mcmoyer: | brockp: pci-e card. I've only ever used the HDHomerun so I'm curious if I'm missing out on anything. |
| [20:46:17] | brockp: | mcmoyer: I had a pvr-250 in the analoge days and now have an hd homerun, I see no benefit to being in the box other than avoiding a network connection and power cord. |
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| [20:46:35] | bergqvistjl: | same here too Ankhwatcher |
| [20:46:58] | bergqvistjl: | also it looks like weather underground appears to have been removed, I can't add anything from it now |
| [20:47:22] | alec: | Hi, I'm using mythwelcome and sometimes I want to use my pc for longer than the mythwelcome idle timeout for auto shut down. Is there a way to postpone mythwelcome's shutdown on a temporay basis from say the terminal that I could then script |
| [20:48:09] | wagnerrp: | the idle timeout only triggers when you have exited mythfrontend and are no longer using the PC |
| [20:50:43] | bergqvistjl: | so basically you want to lock mythwelcome from the terminal? |
| [20:50:47] | alec: | would it be possible to emulate the pc being under use, such that I could watch something in a web browser (five player) or run downloads |
| [20:51:09] | wagnerrp: | alec: use mythbrowser, or write a grabber script for mythnetvision |
| [20:51:40] | bergqvistjl: | if it doesnt have to be from the terminal, if you press the Menu key in mythwelcome, you have the option to lock the shutdown process, so it doesnt shut down |
| [20:51:53] | alec: | ooo mythbrowser |
| [20:52:55] | alec: | thats great thanks guys, I have a small other question. I installed Mythplugins and it installed alot of stuff into the menu's I really dont want such as games, is there a way to alter the menu structure/remove those entries? |
| [20:53:02] | alec: | Also thank you for the hints, they are superb |
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| [20:53:33] | jams: | alec..yeah you can remove the entries you don't want from the menu xml |
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| [20:53:37] | wagnerrp: | technically, the plugins didnt install anything to the menu structure |
| [20:53:41] | wagnerrp: | those options were already there |
| [20:53:58] | wagnerrp: | and only visible now that mythtv detects that their functions are now available |
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| [20:56:17] | alec: | i see, what is the root menu file? I guess I can find other files from there? |
| [20:56:27] | justinh: | mainmenu.xml |
| [20:57:18] | Ankhwatcher: | What I just used to test my sound: http://leekspin.com/ |
| [20:57:45] | justinh: | arghhh |
| [20:57:50] | justinh: | those eyes. those PUNCHABLE EYES |
| [20:58:13] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [20:58:24] | wagnerrp: | did he just post a link to goatse or something? |
| [20:58:27] | Ankhwatcher: | I was going to used thewildernessdowntown.com but then I remembered my life expectancy |
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| [20:58:33] | jams: | wagnerrp- its safe |
| [20:58:39] | Ankhwatcher: | wagnerrp: you're thinking of the other 'spin |
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| [20:58:49] | ** wagnerrp puts on his ircop hat and cape ** | |
| [20:58:50] | justinh: | manga wossname. |
| [20:58:58] | justinh: | anime thingy |
| [21:00:06] | justinh: | I see anime characters & I want to kill them. Illogical. Irrational. That's just me |
| [21:00:32] | Ankhwatcher: | but they're so forced-cute |
| [21:00:37] | Ankhwatcher: | it's like nintendo |
| [21:01:09] | Ankhwatcher: | damnit, still no sound in myth |
| [21:01:25] | justinh: | the only time I've been able to tolerate them was when Southpark took them to bits |
| [21:01:47] | wagnerrp: | everyone loves chinpokemon |
| [21:02:11] | wagnerrp: | buy our toys and bomb pearl harbor |
| [21:04:19] | Ankhwatcher: | justinh: surely a large-penis'd american like you couldn't be threatened by tiny cute cult-forming toys? |
| [21:04:33] | wagnerrp: | justinh is american? |
| [21:04:42] | Ankhwatcher: | I just moved mythtv from no-sound to a loud static buzz |
| [21:04:50] | Ankhwatcher: | wagnerrp: I doubt it |
| [21:05:20] | wagnerrp: | loud static buzz either means analog with a ground loop, or digital, compressed, but handled as LPCM |
| [21:05:58] | Ankhwatcher: | yay! |
| [21:06:00] | Ankhwatcher: | fixed it |
| [21:06:19] | Ankhwatcher: | probably by setting it back to the default settings |
| [21:06:36] | Ankhwatcher: | now I can watch the last five minutes of Have I Got More News For You |
| [21:07:29] | justinh: | Ankhwatcher: anime style of animation has always irritated me, even as a kid I *hated* the cheap imported low framerate crap shown on TV |
| [21:07:49] | bergqvistjl: | I can't believe this, I install mythtv, get it all properly configured for the first time in aaagees, get all my videos organised and downloading metadata correctly, then discover that I can not get a single iota of TV signal where I live until analogue gets turned off in March next year D:< |
| [21:07:58] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:08:02] | bergqvistjl: | Oh well |
| [21:08:12] | wagnerrp: | you didnt know this ahead of time? |
| [21:08:14] | bergqvistjl: | also discovered that ACPI_wakeup does not work with my motherboard :( |
| [21:08:32] | bergqvistjl: | Well, the last time I checked, I could recieve 1 mux just about on DVB-T, but I can't even recieve that now |
| [21:08:32] | justinh: | bergqvistjl: move somewhere with a much higher crimerate. they generally already have digital TV :P |
| [21:08:52] | bergqvistjl: | I'm in the UK by the way |
| [21:09:01] | wagnerrp: | your IP said as much |
| [21:09:16] | bergqvistjl: | heh |
| [21:09:16] | wagnerrp: | near manchester it seems |
| [21:09:19] | bergqvistjl: | erm nope |
| [21:09:21] | bergqvistjl: | Hampshire |
| [21:09:28] | bergqvistjl: | in between Southampton and Portsmouth |
| [21:09:41] | wagnerrp: | in any case, this isnt something that can be resolved by a bigger antenna? |
| [21:09:47] | wagnerrp: | we have services like tvfool over here |
| [21:10:00] | wagnerrp: | any similar antenna database over there? |
| [21:10:23] | wagnerrp: | if you have physical obstructions like hills, you can always go freeview |
| [21:10:25] | justinh: | ukdigitaltv.com or something |
| [21:10:36] | justinh: | wagnerrp: freeSAT maybe |
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| [21:10:58] | wagnerrp: | freeview is the DVB-T version? |
| [21:11:04] | bergqvistjl: | yes |
| [21:11:06] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:11:13] | justinh: | ukfree.tv |
| [21:11:20] | justinh: | sometimes inaccurate btw |
| [21:11:25] | bergqvistjl: | freeview = unencrypted dvb-t/dvb-t2, freesat = unencrypted dvb-s /dvb-s2 |
| [21:12:00] | bergqvistjl: | we have no free-to-view cable provider in the UK, there's only virgin media that does cable, and you need a subscription for that |
| [21:12:10] | bergqvistjl: | cable, as in dvb-c |
| [21:12:18] | justinh: | and there's no way to decrypt that anyway |
| [21:13:05] | bergqvistjl: | ideally, if i was in a area with less obstructions (im surrounded by trees on one side, I might get better signal |
| [21:13:27] | bergqvistjl: | sadly im in rented accomodation and they are v. picky about what I put up in terms of TV reciving stuff |
| [21:13:46] | bergqvistjl: | ideally, if i was living here for the long-term, i'd get my own dish, with a motor, then I could choose what sattelites I could point it at :D |
| [21:14:02] | justinh: | is it even worth having a rotor? |
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| [21:14:12] | justinh: | so much is encrippled nowadays |
| [21:14:12] | bergqvistjl: | well im not too sure what they are |
| [21:14:22] | bergqvistjl: | wahts the difference between a motor and a rotor? and what are they used for? |
| [21:14:35] | justinh: | for rotating a dish |
| [21:14:41] | justinh: | same diff |
| [21:14:50] | bergqvistjl: | I presumed that you used them to say input the co-ordinates, and they'd point themselves to the sattelite |
| [21:15:00] | bergqvistjl: | without you having to point it manually |
| [21:15:12] | justinh: | generally only point the dish left to right AFAIK |
| [21:15:27] | bergqvistjl: | I like racing and quite a few unencrypted feeds from the circuit are transmitted on Eutelsat W3A. I think Freesat uses one of the astra sattelites |
| [21:15:27] | justinh: | or rather east to west |
| [21:15:29] | bergqvistjl: | ah Ok |
| [21:15:57] | justinh: | yeah freesat is all on astra |
| [21:16:00] | bergqvistjl: | yeah |
| [21:16:32] | bergqvistjl: | because it would be nice, to say "hmmm, I think i shall tune to sattelite X today", input the latitude and longditude and it would adjust itself |
| [21:16:58] | bergqvistjl: | shouldn't be too difficult if you incorporate a compass etc, and a signal detector |
| [21:17:13] | justinh: | myth can do that if you use the proper gear |
| [21:17:19] | bergqvistjl: | nice |
| [21:17:25] | justinh: | increases yer tuning time somewhat though :P |
| [21:17:32] | bergqvistjl: | why? |
| [21:17:42] | justinh: | because the dish takes time to move, dummy |
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| [21:17:47] | bergqvistjl: | can't take that long |
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| [21:18:01] | bergqvistjl: | how long does it increase youre tuning time for? |
| [21:18:28] | bergqvistjl: | well, once i get into somewhere long term (preferably somewhere with less obstructions and no clauses preventing me putting a sattelite dish up), i'll install a dish, get a quad card and i'll be awau |
| [21:18:30] | bergqvistjl: | *away |
| [21:20:11] | bergqvistjl: | also, does having say a quad-LNB enable you to recive 4 channels simultaenously from the same sattelite at once? |
| [21:20:22] | bergqvistjl: | and a dual-one, 2 simultaneously? |
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| [21:24:05] | alec: | what front end applications do people use in order to find things to record in there epg? |
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| [21:24:13] | alec: | at the moment I use mythweb |
| [21:24:24] | justinh: | mythfrontend of course |
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| [21:25:28] | alec: | really? Is your epg data really good? |
| [21:26:00] | bergqvistjl: | xmltv Radio Times epg data for the UK is fantastic :D |
| [21:26:11] | bergqvistjl: | EIT data for freeview is shit in comparison |
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| [21:27:16] | alec: | Im in the uk, I thought setting up the xmltv data was hard? |
| [21:28:15] | bergqvistjl: | no |
| [21:28:33] | bergqvistjl: | its boring not hard |
| [21:28:48] | bergqvistjl: | freeview only has what 30 or 40 channels that use xmltv anyway |
| [21:28:54] | alec: | HA, is that just the initial set up? |
| [21:29:02] | alec: | or is it a regular boring task |
| [21:29:08] | bergqvistjl: | no, just initial setup |
| [21:29:37] | bergqvistjl: | the radio times source for XMLTV is pretty good though |
| [21:30:18] | bergqvistjl: | asks you what source you're using (Sky, Freeview, Analogue) and gives you a near complete list of the xml ids for all the channels on that service |
| [21:30:24] | alec: | do you happen to know a good working tutorial? if not i'll go hunting |
| [21:30:39] | bergqvistjl: | you just then paste those into the xmltv id coloumn in the channel editor in mythweb |
| [21:30:51] | bergqvistjl: | are you in the UK or the us alec? |
| [21:31:01] | bergqvistjl: | I think my method is specific to the UK |
| [21:31:11] | alec: | uk mate, down south in dorset |
| [21:31:30] | bergqvistjl: | ah ok |
| [21:31:47] | bergqvistjl: | well i'd give you an exmaple, yet I have no TV channels to demonstrate on |
| [21:32:04] | alec: | I'm using an old sky dish to pick up freesat, its working okie, theres alot of trash broadcast over the airwaves, like jmldirecttv... |
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| [21:32:12] | bergqvistjl: | ah |
| [21:32:19] | bergqvistjl: | freeview only has 100 channels |
| [21:32:28] | bergqvistjl: | and most of those don't have an xml id |
| [21:32:38] | bergqvistjl: | which includes all radio stations, and the porn channels |
| [21:32:47] | alec: | i see, do you use a script to update the epg? |
| [21:32:51] | bergqvistjl: | no |
| [21:33:01] | bergqvistjl: | I just do a channel scan afresh every few weeks |
| [21:33:19] | bergqvistjl: | of course I have to then put in all the xml ids again, but it only takes 5 mins tbh |
| [21:33:48] | alec: | i see, i'll look into it then, does it allow decent rating info? |
| [21:34:36] | bergqvistjl: | erm not sure |
| [21:34:45] | bergqvistjl: | how dyu mean? |
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| [21:35:10] | alec: | well i find the epg doesnt have rating data for alot of the items |
| [21:35:13] | Ankhwatcher: | Are there any better plugins for handling tv shows and movies? |
| [21:35:19] | alec: | how do you go through all the content to record stuff |
| [21:35:41] | bergqvistjl: | what do you mean by rating? age rating? |
| [21:36:14] | alec: | oh i mean like stars |
| [21:36:18] | alec: | how good the content is |
| [21:37:16] | bergqvistjl: | oh, it does for films |
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| [21:39:05] | bergqvistjl: | which depends on how radio times has rated it |
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| [23:12:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you have any idea how to decode application/x-java-serialized-object in python/perl/ruby/anything but java? |
| [23:13:44] | wagnerrp: | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1714624/is . . . ed-with-java |
| [23:14:31] | Beirdo: | BLECH |
| [23:14:33] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:14:52] | wagnerrp: | go go google demotivation! |
| [23:15:15] | Beirdo: | so I'd need to write a little Java POS to deserialize, then reserialize to JSON or soemthing useful. |
| [23:15:26] | wagnerrp: | where is this coming from? |
| [23:15:39] | Beirdo: | an enterprise system (XMS Hammer) |
| [23:16:17] | Beirdo: | I have access to the jws client's .jar files |
| [23:16:34] | Beirdo: | I should be able to link to them to get the classes, I'd think... Sigh |
| [23:16:53] | Beirdo: | trying to provide myself an API to something they don't want us to have an API to |
| [23:22:00] | ** Beirdo grumbles about Java sucking ** | |
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| [23:26:44] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [23:26:50] | Beirdo: | Inline::Java |
| [23:27:06] | Beirdo: | now that could be fun. Perl script with embedded Java code to compile? |
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| [23:53:46] | Twiggy2cents: | Hey, my mythweb is actin funny. The main page, listings, schedules, and search all work, but backend status recorded programs and upcoming recordings time out. This is mythbuntu .24-fixes. Any ideas? |
| [23:54:05] | Twiggy2cents: | actually it goes, but it is really slow |
| [23:55:25] | Twiggy2cents: | seems to be anything access the db |
| [23:55:35] | Twiggy2cents: | s/access/accessing |
| [23:56:02] | Twiggy2cents: | *on mythweb |
| [23:56:52] | Twiggy2cents: | aww crap it is the whole system |
| [23:58:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Can upnp mess it up? That is the only thing I did between now and when it was working okay |
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