| Tuesday, October 11th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:03] | kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk | |
| [00:05:07] | Oleg_: | got a compiler error: |
| [00:05:09] | Oleg_: | mythrender_opengl.cpp: In function ‘int __glCheck__(const QString&, const char*, int)’: |
| [00:05:09] | Oleg_: | mythrender_opengl.cpp:38:347: error: ‘gluErrorString’ was not declared in this scope |
| [00:05:59] | iamlindoro: | you are missing prerequisites, likely related to your GL dev headers |
| [00:06:13] | iamlindoro: | First time myth users should almost universally be using packages |
| [00:09:11] | Oleg_: | okay, I installed mesa-demos package |
| [00:09:22] | Oleg_: | but that's not what it wants |
| [00:09:43] | iamlindoro: | of course not, that's a package of example code |
| [00:09:51] | iamlindoro: | why are you compiling instead of installing packages? |
| [00:10:48] | Oleg_: | compiling mythtv |
| [00:10:56] | Oleg_: | but the rest gets installed from binaries |
| [00:11:04] | Oleg_: | okay, I have mesa-libGL-devel installed |
| [00:11:04] | iamlindoro: | what "rest?" |
| [00:11:08] | Oleg_: | but that is still not it |
| [00:11:09] | iamlindoro: | Why are you compiling myth? |
| [00:11:27] | iamlindoro: | and what's the "rest?" |
| [00:11:30] | Oleg_: | well, rpmfusion probably has it, but I decided to compile it just for fun |
| [00:11:38] | iamlindoro: | how fun is it so far? |
| [00:11:45] | Oleg_: | the rest are binary packages such as qt-devel and etc. |
| [00:12:06] | iamlindoro: | And how fun will it be when you didn't use the right compile-time options and you recompile it ten times? |
| [00:12:07] | Oleg_: | I just need to figure out what package it wants |
| [00:12:13] | iamlindoro: | ok, good luck |
| [00:12:17] | Oleg_: | well, we'll see about that |
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| [00:17:24] | Oleg_: | okay, I give up. I'll install mythtv binary package from rpmfusion |
| [00:25:55] | wagnerrp: | notice to anyone in the east currently recording Terra Nova |
| [00:26:27] | wagnerrp: | detroit at texas in the top of the 11th |
| [00:26:30] | wagnerrp: | game still running |
| [00:26:44] | wagnerrp: | update your recording rules accordingly |
| [00:27:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: this means you, since you record everything, and youre going to be pissed off two years from now when you find you missed the second half of the episode |
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| [00:32:47] | notlistening: | can comflag pick out the begining of programs when you start too early? |
| [00:32:51] | Oleg_: | oh, I could try to compile mythtv with --disable-opengl-video |
| [00:33:01] | Oleg_: | 'cause I don't need it anyway. I need vdpau |
| [00:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i believe vdpau requires you have opengl support |
| [00:33:59] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: mythcommflag can pick out ads |
| [00:34:07] | wagnerrp: | but it has no understanding of the content of the show |
| [00:34:29] | wagnerrp: | so it has no way to know if something captures the end of the previous show |
| [00:34:41] | notlistening: | okay so thats a no, just sometimes my recording start bang on others are really late and some really early |
| [00:35:18] | notlistening: | can you set a per channel start time and end time default? |
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| [00:36:28] | notlistening: | and what time are the broadcasters using as they are not using UTC |
| [00:36:43] | Oleg_: | actually, I don't even need vdpau because 1080i mpeg2 doesn't require a lot of processing power from a cpu |
| [00:37:12] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: no, everything is per-recording only |
| [00:37:23] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: if youre not using vdpau, then you do want to use opengl |
| [00:37:29] | wagnerrp: | xv should be avoided if at all possible |
| [00:37:35] | wagnerrp: | and the options get worse from there |
| [00:38:18] | notlistening: | wagnerrp, what strategy do you use ? |
| [00:38:24] | wagnerrp: | for? |
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| [00:38:55] | notlistening: | making sure you don't miss beginnings and endings of shows? |
| [00:39:27] | wagnerrp: | pad the front and back as needed |
| [00:40:15] | notlistening: | okay i will give the padding a go and see what happens |
| [00:40:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... thanks for the heads up |
| [00:41:14] | wagnerrp: | sheesh... the thing was supposed to be over at 7pm |
| [00:41:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how much of a end late? |
| [00:41:25] | wagnerrp: | still going |
| [00:41:29] | sphery: | hehe |
| [00:41:48] | sphery: | gonna mess up House, too |
| [00:41:57] | sphery: | I have a feeling they'll have to re-air them |
| [00:42:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youre a baseball aficionado... cant you do something and make them stop playing? |
| [00:43:21] | sphery: | no clue how to handle this... will need to start late the House episode to have enough tuners, but don't know how much |
| [00:44:20] | wagnerrp: | bases loaded, no outs |
| [00:44:26] | wagnerrp: | bottom of the 11th |
| [00:44:42] | sphery: | I'm thinking I'll just record all of primetime (plus?) as Terra, then split it into Terra + House |
| [00:45:01] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [00:45:11] | wagnerrp: | the guy who got hit in the chest in the 9th is at bat |
| [00:46:13] | wagnerrp: | and... he homers |
| [00:46:17] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats the game |
| [00:46:46] | sphery: | ah, wait, it's a 9 and a 9:30, so I have plenty of tuners for this |
| [00:47:03] | sphery: | will start late House by 45 and will end late both of them by 3hrs? |
| [00:47:14] | wagnerrp: | is there an easy way to add a single episode override for this? |
| [00:48:22] | sphery: | yeah, just do a single record rule for it |
| [00:48:29] | sphery: | mythweb can do it... "record this specific episode" |
| [00:51:53] | sphery: | still airing? |
| [00:53:04] | wagnerrp: | just about to start |
| [00:53:26] | sphery: | cool, got my 45min start late for house... have a 3hrs overrecord for both |
| [00:53:27] | wagnerrp: | odd... its not listed in upcoming recordings |
| [00:53:37] | wagnerrp: | but it is still recording |
| [00:53:48] | sphery: | yeah, I lost mine in upcoming when I put in the overrecord |
| [00:54:03] | sphery: | seems mythweb doesn't properly handle the override rules |
| [00:54:19] | wagnerrp: | an hour over on each should work |
| [00:54:33] | sphery: | yeah, can't really change Terra, now (unless I go into mythfrontend, but, meh) |
| [00:55:06] | sphery: | You don't think they'll do a "We now join our regularly-scheduled programming, already in progress," do you? |
| [00:55:16] | sphery: | for what they paid for Terra, they shouldn't... |
| [00:55:21] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [00:55:26] | wagnerrp: | no, they started properly |
| [00:55:43] | sphery: | hehe, cool |
| [00:56:24] | sphery: | so have a -45 early/80 late on House.... |
| [00:56:28] | sphery: | thanks for catching this |
| [00:56:45] | sphery: | like you said, I'd have been upset when I watched it in 2 months |
| [00:56:54] | sphery: | (not 2 years--I'll watch this one right after it's cancelled :) |
| [00:59:41] | wagnerrp: | amusing |
| [01:00:37] | sphery: | dmz: flash playback requires mouse. only get to use mythtv remote control for a few sites for which there is a javascript control api |
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| [01:05:36] | dmz_: | hey y'all, i just upgraded to 0.24 and got flash to recognize the video streaming; but now when i go in it shows the flash + video and a play button but my streamzap remote can't seem to play it, any suggestions? |
| [01:05:40] | sphery: | dmz_: 10.10 21:00:36 <+sphery> dmz: flash playback requires mouse. only get to use mythtv remote control for a few sites for which there is a javascript control api |
| [01:05:41] | wagnerrp: | dmz: flash playback requires mouse. only get to use mythtv remote control for a few sites for which there is a javascript control api |
| [01:05:45] | wagnerrp: | aww |
| [01:05:47] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:06:15] | dmz_: | so if there is no mouse then no luck :( |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | likely |
| [01:06:54] | dmz_: | cool feature, too bad i can't use it :( |
| [01:06:59] | sphery: | is this mythnetvision or just mythbrowser? |
| [01:07:05] | dmz_: | netvision |
| [01:07:10] | sphery: | most sites in mnv should start playback automatically |
| [01:07:15] | sphery: | which site? |
| [01:07:18] | dmz_: | they didn't |
| [01:10:47] | Twiggy2cents: | ugh... stupid fox baseball |
| [01:11:12] | Twiggy2cents: | To accomodate for the overrunning schedule, should I watch live tv to catch the rest of house? |
| [01:11:43] | wagnerrp: | house wont start for another 40 minutes or so |
| [01:11:44] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: I put a 45min start late and 60min end late override on mine |
| [01:12:00] | sphery: | just do a one-time record rule for "this specific episode" |
| [01:12:01] | Twiggy2cents: | Well I just noticed, now that it is playing |
| [01:12:19] | Twiggy2cents: | It thinks it is recording house right now. But really It is recording part of terranova |
| [01:12:23] | sphery: | if you've already started it, you can just add the end late to the recording in progress |
| [01:12:37] | sphery: | and then cut off the extra with lossless transcode |
| [01:12:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay where do I do that? |
| [01:12:57] | sphery: | (assuming that works for you--ruins my Fox recordings, so I'll just leave the garbage in place) |
| [01:13:23] | sphery: | I went to MythWeb and selected the episode, then "Record this specific showing" and added an end-late of 60min |
| [01:13:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you tried on trunk? |
| [01:13:47] | sphery: | don't think I've tried trunk since the ffmpeg sync |
| [01:14:07] | sphery: | (if that's relevant? doesn't mythtranscode's lossless use libmpeg2?) |
| [01:14:54] | sphery: | "ruins" probably isn't right... lossless tends to lose audio tracks for mine and/or dies during transcode |
| [01:15:06] | Twiggy2cents: | ugh... I guess I will have to do it in mythtv. Seems to not load the upcoming recording that is currently recording |
| [01:15:12] | sphery: | and since I have it keep the old... |
| [01:15:14] | Twiggy2cents: | nvm it did now |
| [01:15:23] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: you can go to listings |
| [01:15:33] | sphery: | don't need to find it in upcoming |
| [01:16:02] | Twiggy2cents: | So since I modified the recording rule, I will have to change it back right? |
| [01:16:29] | sphery: | if you did the "this specific showing" like you should have, no |
| [01:16:38] | sphery: | it /adds/ an override |
| [01:17:15] | Twiggy2cents: | So instead of editing the rule you are talking about finding the episode and making a new one time showing rule? |
| [01:19:25] | Twiggy2cents: | nvm I see what you are talking about |
| [01:20:56] | Twiggy2cents: | So did the game run late or is this something that SD would of known about soon before the showing? |
| [01:21:07] | wagnerrp: | like 110 minutes late |
| [01:21:27] | Twiggy2cents: | 60 wont cut it? |
| [01:21:43] | wagnerrp: | it was supposed to end at 7pm |
| [01:21:54] | wagnerrp: | news rerun and simpsons episode were cut out |
| [01:22:38] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, I was thinking you were telling me to set it to record 110 late. I just realized that you were answering my question |
| [01:22:43] | Twiggy2cents: | Stupid american pasttime |
| [01:24:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does it look like they're compressing the schedule? like shortened commercials or something? |
| [01:25:09] | wagnerrp: | dont know, havent been watching it |
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| [01:26:40] | sphery: | ok... I just did a -30min start early... might as well get it a bit earlier just in case |
| [01:31:42] | wagnerrp: | three minute ad... may be a bit compressed |
| [01:31:54] | wagnerrp: | even without ads, its still 40 minutes |
| [01:32:26] | sphery: | yeah, probably wouldn't have been a problem, but as long as I have the space... |
| [01:37:42] | Twiggy2cents: | So in this case since the schedule is all screwed up, if you were recording Terra Nova then House. Would you make it one custom record, or start early on the first and end late on the last? |
| [01:38:59] | wagnerrp: | record both, end late on both, use multirec to make up the difference |
| [01:39:42] | Twiggy2cents: | gotcha |
| [01:43:13] | Oleg_: | ok, I need to type mythtvfrontend to start mythtv? |
| [01:43:29] | wagnerrp: | no such thing as 'mythtvfrontend' |
| [01:44:03] | Oleg_: | ok, how do I start mythtv? |
| [01:44:19] | wagnerrp: | your mysql server is running? |
| [01:47:43] | Oleg_: | ok, trying to start it |
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| [01:56:22] | Oleg_: | ok, started it |
| [01:56:25] | Oleg_: | what now? |
| [01:56:31] | Oleg_: | how do I start mythtv |
| [01:56:32] | Oleg_: | ? |
| [01:56:49] | wagnerrp: | you just started mysql for the first time? |
| [01:56:54] | Oleg_: | yes |
| [01:56:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning, youve never configured mythtv before? |
| [01:57:03] | Oleg_: | yes |
| [01:57:17] | wagnerrp: | then you need to read through the documentation, and configure your storage and tuner cards using mythtv-setu |
| [01:57:18] | wagnerrp: | p |
| [01:58:57] | Oleg_: | database name should be mythconverg? |
| [01:59:51] | wagnerrp: | you really should read through the documentation |
| [02:00:04] | wagnerrp: | you actually have a tuner card, yes? |
| [02:00:28] | Oleg_: | no |
| [02:00:36] | wagnerrp: | you know what mythtv is, right? |
| [02:00:50] | Oleg_: | it's for captioning TV broadcasts? |
| [02:00:57] | wagnerrp: | capturing? |
| [02:01:34] | Oleg_: | I wanna watch downloaded TV captures with closed captioning enabled |
| [02:01:39] | Oleg_: | will mythtv let me do that? |
| [02:02:27] | wagnerrp: | the online flash streaming that TV stations offer is in flash, not intended for downloading, and does not offer closed captioning |
| [02:02:54] | Oleg_: | no, those are ts files |
| [02:03:10] | wagnerrp: | no, they are flash, usually h264 or sorensen |
| [02:03:19] | Oleg_: | mpeg-2 captures |
| [02:03:22] | Oleg_: | I downloaded them |
| [02:03:30] | wagnerrp: | no, they do not offer mpeg2 captures on their websites |
| [02:03:47] | Oleg_: | it doesn't have anything to do with their flash streaming |
| [02:04:00] | wagnerrp: | well its either that, hulu, or itunes |
| [02:04:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe amazon offers some shows |
| [02:04:09] | Oleg_: | those are downloaded mpeg-2 ts captures. Someone else captioned them and I downloaded them |
| [02:04:24] | wagnerrp: | that someone else isnt allowed to let you download them |
| [02:05:00] | Oleg_: | I don't understand what you mean |
| [02:05:11] | iamlindoro: | he means the last five words of the channel topic |
| [02:05:29] | Shadow__X: | guys tonighes house episode is about 30 minutes late |
| [02:05:38] | Oleg_: | oh |
| [02:05:40] | Oleg_: | I see |
| [02:08:13] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: if you want to use mythtv, you need a tuner card, and you need to capture your own content |
| [02:08:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will not operate without a tuner card |
| [02:08:33] | wagnerrp: | and we will not help you with 'alternatively acquired' content |
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| [02:14:16] | Oleg_: | but a few years ago I had mythtv installed and I was able to run it without a tuner card |
| [02:14:35] | wagnerrp: | there is a sanity check in the scheduler, it faults out if there is no tuner card configured |
| [02:15:39] | Oleg_: | with a tuner card, I'll be able to capture atsc broadcasts? |
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| [02:16:23] | wagnerrp: | what else would you do with a tuner card? |
| [02:16:40] | Oleg_: | but a few years ago, I had mythtv installed and I was able to watch files with it even though I didn't have a tuner card installed |
| [02:16:55] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend will not run without a configured tuner card |
| [02:17:03] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend will not run without a backend to connect to |
| [02:17:59] | Oleg_: | it wasn't the case just a few years ago |
| [02:18:17] | wagnerrp: | you are correct |
| [02:44:41] | Shadow__X: | Oleg_: i am sure it has already been said, but if you just plan to watch files there are other projects out there better suited for that |
| [02:45:14] | wagnerrp: | better suited for... viewing pirated videos? |
| [02:45:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there are those that have integrated newsgroup support and rar unpackers |
| [02:45:57] | Shadow__X: | well i was thinking of simpler and some people rip their own dvds too |
| [02:46:16] | wagnerrp: | no, hes getting TS files someone else recorded |
| [02:46:29] | wagnerrp: | unless its PBS.... |
| [02:46:30] | Shadow__X: | well thats a no good |
| [02:50:19] | Oleg_: | this card is good: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1196-WinTV-HV . . . 2&sr=8-1 |
| [02:50:20] | Oleg_: | ? |
| [02:51:07] | Oleg_: | oh, one reviewer says that it's absolutely fantastic for a mythtv box |
| [02:51:14] | Oleg_: | though he said it in 2008 |
| [02:51:24] | wagnerrp: | there are two hardware revisions |
| [02:51:35] | wagnerrp: | i believe they both work, but the latter needs a fairly modern kernel |
| [02:54:32] | Oleg_: | and those cards will be able to capture over the air and cable channels? |
| [02:54:43] | Oleg_: | like premium cable channels? |
| [02:54:52] | wagnerrp: | cable channels? no |
| [02:55:13] | wagnerrp: | you can record unencrypted QAM |
| [02:55:26] | wagnerrp: | but the only channels you are likely to find unencrypted are the local broadcast channels |
| [02:55:39] | Oleg_: | if I am subscribed to premium cable channels, what card do I need to capture the programs broadcast on those channels? |
| [02:56:06] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/ |
| [02:56:26] | wagnerrp: | or http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_dcr2650.html |
| [02:56:39] | wagnerrp: | and you still wont be able to record "premium" channels like HBO or Showtime |
| [03:02:22] | Oleg_: | but stuff like tivo allows recording programs broadcast on these channels? |
| [03:02:30] | wagnerrp: | well... sort of |
| [03:02:41] | wagnerrp: | series 3 tivos can record stuff on those premium channels |
| [03:02:57] | wagnerrp: | however you are limited to a rolling 90 minute window within which you can watch it |
| [03:03:06] | wagnerrp: | outside of that, the recording is wiped, and lost |
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| [03:07:56] | wagnerrp: | technically, mythtv is only capable of recording 'copy freely' content with those two tuners |
| [03:08:16] | wagnerrp: | the tivos can record copy-once content, under the limitation they cannot be accessed outside that unit |
| [03:08:31] | wagnerrp: | and the copy-never content has that rolling window restriction |
| [03:08:58] | wagnerrp: | from previous user reports on verizon, nearly everything but the premium channels should be marked as copy0freely |
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| [03:19:57] | Oleg_: | but if I wanna capture high-def content from the cw network, most $40 tuner cards would be good for that purpose? |
| [03:21:19] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have a local CW affiliate |
| [03:21:27] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [03:31:03] | Shadow__X: | if i have recordings in the livetv group that i am unable to delete using mythweb should i try the orphaned recordings scdript? |
| [03:32:19] | wagnerrp: | dont worry about them, mythbackend will clear them out on its own |
| [03:32:30] | Shadow__X: | they have been that way for a long time already |
| [03:32:46] | wagnerrp: | odd |
| [03:33:44] | Shadow__X: | i am able to delete other recordings fine |
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| [04:22:24] | sphery: | Shadow__X: you likely have missing files--you need to use mythfrontend to delete them |
| [04:22:49] | sphery: | Watch Recordings, MENU (once or twice), Change Group Filter, Live TV, then select them and delete |
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| [04:29:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any idea why the perl bindings might be complaining about /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.3/mach/Config.pm not existing |
| [04:29:42] | wagnerrp: | when i have perl 5.14.1 installed |
| [04:35:56] | sphery: | broken include path? |
| [04:37:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: perl -e 'print "@INC\n"' |
| [04:37:55] | sphery: | does it have the 5.12 stuff in it? |
| [04:38:19] | wagnerrp: | /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1 . |
| [04:38:45] | wagnerrp: | the perl5/5.12.3 file doesnt even exist |
| [04:39:11] | sphery: | did you upgrade from 5.12 stuff? |
| [04:39:59] | wagnerrp: | i think i started fresh |
| [04:39:59] | sphery: | what do you get from: perl -V |
| [04:40:21] | sphery: | (same "Can't locate Config.pm"?) |
| [04:40:38] | wagnerrp: | all 5.14.1 |
| [04:40:51] | sphery: | no error, though? |
| [04:41:15] | wagnerrp: | no error |
| [04:45:20] | sphery: | is this with a particular script? |
| [04:45:27] | sphery: | like, maybe the weather scripts? |
| [04:45:34] | wagnerrp: | 'gmake install' |
| [04:46:37] | sphery: | ahhh, then it's a busted Makefile.perl, likely |
| [04:47:02] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt a ./configure --previous have fixed that? |
| [04:48:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there is a bunch of 5.12.3 in Makefile.perl |
| [04:48:24] | sphery: | check mythtv/bindings/perl/Makefile.perl... does it have a line: PERL_ARCHLIB = /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.3/mach/ |
| [04:48:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, a bunch of them |
| [04:48:44] | wagnerrp: | can i just delete that fiel? |
| [04:49:25] | sphery: | yeah, should be able to |
| [04:49:31] | sphery: | should get re-made |
| [04:49:45] | wagnerrp: | seems to have done it, thanks |
| [04:49:45] | sphery: | no clue where it picked up the 5.12 stuff |
| [04:50:11] | wagnerrp: | im using the same git tree as previously |
| [04:50:23] | sphery: | oh, new host or something? |
| [04:50:44] | wagnerrp: | rebuilt jail |
| [04:50:49] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [05:05:15] | Beirdo: | sphery: it comes from Makemaker |
| [05:05:35] | Beirdo: | i.e. the perl install on the system puts taht in |
| [05:06:06] | sphery: | yeah, didn't know why it put the wrong stuff in, but it seems it was right when it made Makefile.perl |
| [05:06:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, when first made, it was correct |
| [05:07:06] | wagnerrp: | it just never got cleaned up for some reason |
| [05:07:18] | jayrock: | good morning. I have an issue with one dvb-t bouquet. The recordings do not work, ie the mpg files just show black with no sound. Other channels work fine. HW works under windows so I suspect it is a SW problem. System is Fedora 14/Core i3–530 + H55/Cinergy XXS. Affected channels are German Pro7, SAT1, ... I have googled for different permutations but no success yet. Any suggestions |
| [05:07:18] | jayrock: | welcome. |
| [05:07:46] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: odd. shoulda been with a distclean |
| [05:07:57] | wagnerrp: | i thought i did a distclean |
| [05:08:00] | wagnerrp: | but i could be wrong |
| [05:09:22] | Beirdo: | OMG, 3h nap after work FTW |
| [05:09:50] | [R]: | such a waste of time |
| [05:10:06] | Beirdo: | nah, whatever |
| [05:10:49] | [R]: | naps are up there with showers and haircuts |
| [05:11:04] | Beirdo: | nah, I don't cut my hair daily |
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| [05:15:50] | jayrock: | anyone? |
| [05:16:43] | Beirdo: | jayrock: no idea where to start |
| [05:17:46] | jayrock: | me neither... that's the problem... |
| [05:17:56] | jayrock: | I take it's not a know issue then. |
| [05:18:00] | jayrock: | known |
| [05:18:23] | Beirdo: | it might be, amongst those in Germany |
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| [05:18:56] | jayrock: | Is this a good channel to meet users from Germany? |
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| [05:19:23] | Beirdo: | there used to be a #mythtv-de or something like that, dunno. |
| [05:19:36] | Beirdo: | don't forget the time of day ) |
| [05:19:46] | [R]: | wtf, there was a sequel to SWAT |
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| [05:21:22] | jayrock: | 7:20 am in Ger. Thnx I'll try that channel. |
| [05:25:22] | ** Beirdo scratches his head. ** | |
| [05:25:42] | Beirdo: | I can ping from a box to my firewall or elsewhere, but not TO the box |
| [05:25:50] | Beirdo: | and there ain't no firewall rules. |
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| [05:26:53] | Beirdo: | but only IPv6 is wonky, and only to that host. IPv4 is fine |
| [05:27:04] | Beirdo: | I think that host needs some beer |
| [05:31:13] | Beirdo: | la la la.... connect the dots. |
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| [05:41:35] | Beirdo: | now I need to remember how to startup X for gputrans use |
| [05:41:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:49:18] | Beirdo: | oh yes. Must de-interlace or work with fields. |
| [05:54:05] | Beirdo: | and oh yeah... go from Cg to cuda. |
| [05:54:12] | Beirdo: | riiight, that's where I left it all |
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| [06:06:33] | Beirdo: | oh wow. |
| [06:06:56] | Beirdo: | the difference between 16X PCIe and 1X PCIe is astounding |
| [06:07:35] | [R]: | difference of what? |
| [06:07:51] | Beirdo: | bandwidth of course |
| [06:08:27] | [R]: | well its 16x... |
| [06:08:39] | Beirdo: | actually, not really |
| [06:08:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:08:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:08:53] | [R]: | we do PCI at my work |
| [06:08:57] | [R]: | its SOOOO much fun |
| [06:09:01] | Beirdo: | it's up to 16x |
| [06:09:23] | Beirdo: | host->device 1580.7MB/s to the GTX550Ti |
| [06:09:26] | Beirdo: | on 16X |
| [06:10:03] | Beirdo: | and 158.4MB/s to the ION2 on 1X |
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| [06:10:33] | Beirdo: | which is about the crappiest GPU I will be supporting with this code |
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| [06:11:04] | Beirdo: | right about at the low end of what CUDA can use |
| [06:11:20] | Beirdo: | I guess the ION (9800m) is the worst overall |
| [06:11:29] | Beirdo: | but I don't feel like playing with it right now |
| [06:11:42] | [R]: | ion is 9400m i thoughty |
| [06:11:51] | Beirdo: | sorry, typo |
| [06:11:53] | Beirdo: | 9400m |
| [06:12:09] | Beirdo: | this is the GT218 ION2 |
| [06:12:51] | Beirdo: | that was an OpenCL bandwidth test using CUDA, BTW |
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| [06:30:14] | Shadow__X: | sphery: sorry for the delay, I tried that but under group filter i do not see livetv |
| [06:31:39] | Shadow__X: | i thought ion or ion2 was a crippled 9400m, not a full one |
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| [06:36:28] | sphery: | Shadow__X: try change group view, too... check Live TV in it |
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| [06:37:49] | Shadow__X: | yup tried that too |
| [06:39:25] | justinh: | so the live tv group just isn't listed in there? |
| [06:39:42] | justinh: | I mean it's not in the list of groups to display? |
| [06:39:42] | sphery: | and when it's checked, you don't see Live TV in the left hand column of watch recordings? |
| [06:39:59] | sphery: | you should be able to see it unless you have no live tv recordings |
| [06:40:28] | sphery: | but, yeah, it should always be a checkbox in change group view |
| [06:40:46] | Shadow__X: | under group view its checked but under group filter it is not listed and it is not listed under watch recordings |
| [06:42:39] | justinh: | sounds like something is very very broken there |
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| [06:42:58] | justinh: | unless you renamed it somehow :-P |
| [06:44:22] | justinh: | ah rats! I forgot to put the recording status in the schedule searching screens |
| [06:44:24] | sphery: | Shadow__X: that would mean you have no recordings in the live tv group |
| [06:45:01] | Shadow__X: | then why is it listed under mythweb? |
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| [06:45:05] | sphery: | (or, specifically, no recording metadata for recordings in the live tv group) |
| [06:45:10] | Shadow__X: | with several recordings |
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| [06:45:44] | sphery: | can you find the recordings that are in that group on mythweb under "All Programs" in Watch Recordings? |
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| [06:46:27] | justinh: | of course, the 'livetv' group just means stuff you've 'watched' live – not something you pressed record on while watching |
| [06:46:30] | justinh: | IIRC |
| [06:46:55] | justinh: | once you do that I think the group is changed & it'd appear in the default group. sphery is that right? |
| [06:47:12] | sphery: | right |
| [06:47:42] | sphery: | hitting record during live tv moves it from live tv rec group to default rec group |
| [06:48:25] | justinh: | I wish livetv didn't exist. we waste too much time supporting it here |
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| [06:50:50] | Shadow__X: | under mythweb there are 11 recordings in the livetv group that i am unable to delete. in mythweb if i select all groups the recordings are no longer listed |
| [06:51:30] | justinh: | why are you unable to delete them? no files exist for them? |
| [06:52:07] | Shadow__X: | i am not sure i press delete but they reappear |
| [06:52:12] | justinh: | oh man, there are too many different statetypes |
| [06:53:13] | justinh: | I thought "oo, I know, I'll make all the recording status icons the same".. only.. I can't because there are so many cases |
| [06:53:39] | justinh: | disabled, error, warning, normal, running, marked (?) |
| [06:54:08] | sphery: | do you see any of those recordings in Watch Recordings with Live TV checked in change group view? |
| [06:54:18] | justinh: | I think I'd rather have a screen which always shows me what's *going* to record, not which is scheduled to record but won't |
| [06:54:28] | sphery: | look in All Programs in Watch Recordings |
| [06:54:39] | Shadow__X: | nope |
| [06:54:49] | justinh: | suffer the poor users who don't have enough tuners. screw em |
| [06:58:28] | justinh: | I wouldn't even care but nowhere is there a help screen available to show what these states mean |
| [07:00:52] | Shadow__X: | this is the end of mythbackend.log when i try to delete the recordings using mythweb http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2088957 |
| [07:01:28] | sphery: | yes, you have orphaned metadata so you need to use mythfrontend to delete it |
| [07:01:35] | justinh: | catch-22. lol |
| [07:01:37] | sphery: | mythweb can't do it |
| [07:01:58] | sphery: | it will be in mythfrontend, but you have to flip all the right switches to see it |
| [07:02:12] | justinh: | group views should be themable too, like keybindings :-D |
| [07:02:50] | Shadow__X: | any theme i should use when doing this? i am on graphite now |
| [07:03:06] | justinh: | all themes should let you edit the group filters properly |
| [07:03:32] | justinh: | if that part is ever broken in a theme it just won't come up or else mythui will pull in a default |
| [07:03:37] | Shadow__X: | just wanted to make sure. I have show live tv enabled in change group view |
| [07:03:56] | Shadow__X: | but its still not listed in all programs |
| [07:04:15] | Shadow__X: | watch list is showing up correctly |
| [07:04:58] | justinh: | maybe some of the metadata myth uses to decide whether the list should be populated or not is missing |
| [07:06:08] | justinh: | try some mysql. select * from recorded where basename="4294967295_20080910205318.mpg"; |
| [07:06:42] | justinh: | actually, let me see in the code how the list is populated then we can know what to look for |
| [07:09:13] | justinh: | what? the delete recordings screen wasn't killed of? FFS |
| [07:09:19] | justinh: | *off, even |
| [07:09:36] | justinh: | PEOPLE! Stop harking back to mythtv 0.14 for God's sakes |
| [07:09:50] | justinh: | folks are trying to *advance* mythtv, you nutbags |
| [07:10:47] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:10:56] | Beirdo: | perish the thought |
| [07:11:32] | justinh: | I didn't even know the delete screen was kept til I looked in playbackbox.cpp |
| [07:11:41] | justinh: | it's got a 'special case' |
| [07:12:21] | Shadow__X: | justinh: i ran the query and it returned information |
| [07:12:30] | justinh: | yeah well it would |
| [07:13:02] | Shadow__X: | what was that trying to prove? |
| [07:13:06] | justinh: | I'm trying to find the criteria mythfrontend uses to determine whether something appears in a group's list |
| [07:13:18] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
| [07:13:23] | justinh: | to discern why stuff in your livetv group isn't showing up |
| [07:13:26] | Beirdo: | reading the code might work easier ;) |
| [07:14:04] | justinh: | because so far I've found that it'll show the livetv group if the mask is set correctly, but I suspect there's more to it |
| [07:14:17] | Shadow__X: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2088959 |
| [07:14:29] | Shadow__X: | thats the output |
| [07:15:57] | justinh: | well the file is definitely in the livetv group |
| [07:16:32] | justinh: | why aren't recording groups stored in their own table anyway, and indexed? |
| [07:18:57] | Beirdo: | talk to the sphery :) |
| [07:18:59] | justinh: | bah. as far as I can tell, that stuff should be showing up ok |
| [07:19:03] | Beirdo: | maybe we can get it better :) |
| [07:20:25] | justinh: | Beirdo: it just seems odd – other areas of mythtv use indexed stuff – some even where there seems to be little point |
| [07:20:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, don't forget... many cooks. |
| [07:20:55] | justinh: | there should be a policy for this kind of stuff IMHO |
| [07:20:55] | Beirdo: | maybe that cook wasn't as DB savvy as some others? |
| [07:21:12] | Beirdo: | you try herding cats. |
| [07:21:34] | justinh: | heh. it's like trying to convince people that themes shouldn't be able to redefine keyboard mappings |
| [07:21:38] | justinh: | (I imagine) |
| [07:21:46] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [07:22:21] | justinh: | so is Mark going to be fielding all the support for people who can't operate mythtv with theme X ? |
| [07:22:40] | Beirdo: | heh, doubtful, but we'll see |
| [07:23:05] | justinh: | Shadow__X: not a fix I'd normally endorse, but you could always try changing the recgroup of the offending files to "" & see if they show up & deal with them that way |
| [07:23:22] | justinh: | it still won't help us know *why* they're not showing up though |
| [07:24:46] | justinh: | as far as I can tell, the code counting stuff in a group is what determines whether or not it shows up. now what criteria that uses exactly I'm not sure but it's likely (logical?) to just be all the items in the recorded table with the groupname 'X' |
| [07:25:46] | justinh: | doh. that file is in the LiveTV SG |
| [07:26:01] | justinh: | doh. and the LiveTV recgroup. lol |
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| [07:28:51] | Shadow__X: | i guess it shouldnt be in both? |
| [07:28:53] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [07:29:05] | Beirdo: | my brain is not in the mood to absorb CUDA tonight |
| [07:29:29] | justinh: | Shadow__X: no don't worry about that. I had a brain fart |
| [07:29:32] | Shadow__X: | and i can keep the files if it helps you guys or others.I wasnt in a real rush to get rid of the files |
| [07:29:41] | justinh: | ah. if deletepending=1 it won't show up |
| [07:30:30] | Shadow__X: | so because i tried to delete it in mythweb it wont show up anymore? |
| [07:30:41] | justinh: | Shadow__X: do that mysql again but instead of * do title, subtitle, recgroup, deletepending |
| [07:31:10] | justinh: | i.e. select title, subtitle, recgroup, deletepending from recorded where filename="filename"; |
| [07:31:48] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go to bed :) |
| [07:31:50] | Beirdo: | night |
| [07:31:56] | justinh: | night Beirdo |
| [07:32:23] | Shadow__X: | night |
| [07:32:33] | justinh: | I think this could be classed as a bug. or maybe your backend crashed in the process of expiring the livetv recordings |
| [07:33:34] | justinh: | do you have mythtv set to expire recordings instead of deleting them? |
| [07:33:36] | Shadow__X: | ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'filename' in 'where clause' |
| [07:33:47] | justinh: | duh. basename not filename |
| [07:34:02] | Shadow__X: | i dont think so, i dont exactly remember |
| [07:34:08] | Shadow__X: | lol ah sorry |
| [07:34:14] | justinh: | that doesn't matter right not |
| [07:34:20] | justinh: | *now |
| [07:34:24] | justinh: | jees. am I tired? |
| [07:34:52] | Shadow__X: | so like this? select title, subtitle, recgroup, deletepending from recorded where "4294967295_20080910205318.mpg"; |
| [07:35:06] | justinh: | where basename="4294967295_20080910205318.mpg"; |
| [07:35:08] | Shadow__X: | oh right |
| [07:35:14] | justinh: | that's a doozy of a chanid mind |
| [07:36:11] | Shadow__X: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2088962 |
| [07:36:36] | justinh: | haha! |
| [07:36:43] | justinh: | that's why they ain't showing up |
| [07:36:55] | Shadow__X: | they are flagged as deletepending? |
| [07:37:00] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:37:09] | Shadow__X: | because i tried on mythweb? |
| [07:37:16] | justinh: | I dunno |
| [07:37:30] | justinh: | I suspect mythweb doesn't set that column |
| [07:37:38] | Shadow__X: | that makes sense |
| [07:37:51] | Shadow__X: | of why i would see it in mythweb and not in watch recordings |
| [07:37:52] | justinh: | it probably happened earlier |
| [07:38:07] | justinh: | I also suspect mythweb doesn't *check* that column |
| [07:38:58] | justinh: | anyway, seems like your way out – assuming mythtv's housekeeping doesn't deal with the leftover metadata – is to (eek!) whack the recorded table entries yourself |
| [07:39:36] | Shadow__X: | hmm, i think i will wait until tomorrow or some other time to see if there is a cleaner way of doing that |
| [07:39:37] | justinh: | but I'd be very careful about doing that, and *definitely* use a WHERE clause with the *basename* column to only get the ones you want rid of |
| [07:39:47] | Shadow__X: | i am not jumping at doing anything to the db |
| [07:40:07] | justinh: | picking the entries off one at a time isn't so bad |
| [07:40:21] | justinh: | or really unsafe if you use the right logic |
| [07:40:49] | justinh: | e.g. where basename="thefilename" AND deletepending="1" |
| [07:40:49] | Shadow__X: | not when i have the query setup right and am fully rested. I have made the mistake of running scripts when i was too late before |
| [07:40:56] | Shadow__X: | had to use backups |
| [07:41:12] | justinh: | I wouldn't script it. there are few enough files not to need bother |
| [07:41:24] | Shadow__X: | i agree just making a point |
| [07:41:40] | Shadow__X: | i would flip deletepending back to 0 right? |
| [07:41:41] | justinh: | yes, it's definitely not to be encouraged :-) |
| [07:41:43] | Shadow__X: | or no |
| [07:41:58] | justinh: | yeah actually flipping that back to 0 would be better |
| [07:42:03] | Shadow__X: | so then i could delete them in all recordings |
| [07:42:06] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:42:12] | Shadow__X: | oh what were you suggesting |
| [07:42:14] | justinh: | then they'd show up in the livetv group |
| [07:42:24] | justinh: | I wasn't suggesting anything |
| [07:42:29] | ** justinh whistles innocently ** | |
| [07:42:29] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
| [07:42:35] | Shadow__X: | mhm |
| [07:42:49] | clever: | aslong as nothing is in the middle of deleting, i think a simple update would be simplest |
| [07:42:57] | clever: | update recorded set deletepending=0; |
| [07:43:03] | justinh: | no |
| [07:43:12] | justinh: | use the where clause to only operate on the livetv group |
| [07:43:22] | Shadow__X: | thanks for the help justinh. I will take another look at it tomorrow and see if there is a way to get rid of those recordings without touching the db first and go from there |
| [07:43:41] | justinh: | you could bugger up all kinds of things otherwise. to be absolutely certain add the basename to the WHERE clause too |
| [07:44:05] | justinh: | Shadow__X: you won't be able to. they just won't show up in any list |
| [07:44:17] | justinh: | query.prepare("SELECT recgroup, COUNT(title) FROM recorded " "WHERE deletepending = 0 AND watched <= :WATCHED " "GROUP BY recgroup"); |
| [07:44:53] | Shadow__X: | what does query.prepare do |
| [07:44:53] | clever: | justinh: from looking at my own db, deletepending is 0 for every single entry |
| [07:45:04] | justinh: | clever: that's YOUR db. |
| [07:45:10] | clever: | it seems to only be set when a file is being deleted |
| [07:45:19] | clever: | and then the record itself is removed automaticaly |
| [07:45:35] | justinh: | that'd be expected behaviour but what we don't know is whether or not other entries in Shadow__X's db have it set |
| [07:45:48] | justinh: | so don't just go off on one in the database |
| [07:45:59] | clever: | not hard to find out, select title,subtitle,basename from recorded where deletepending != 0; |
| [07:46:26] | justinh: | anyway. we bend over backwards to *discourage* direct DB mangling here remember |
| [07:46:53] | justinh: | Shadow__X: so these files.. failed livetv episodes? |
| [07:46:59] | clever: | yeah, but it sounds like the UI is hiding the files and wont recover |
| [07:47:14] | justinh: | clever: not the point |
| [07:48:33] | justinh: | what may have happened is that the files were flagged to be expired, the deletepending column was set, the files were deleted.. and something prevented the database being updated to remove the recorded table entries |
| [07:48:57] | justinh: | or maybe the files never existed & myth's housekeeping hasn't got around to cleaning them out yet |
| [07:49:08] | justinh: | (if it does, I dunno if it's supposed to now) |
| [08:04:59] | sphery: | Shadow__X: don't edit the db directly... use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py before that |
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| [08:14:29] | justinh: | oh there's an official thingy? |
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| [08:20:41] | justinh: | stupid USB on our products. USB memory stick doesn't work in the front panel socket, which is connected to the main board via a shortish cable. plug an extension cable into said front panel socket, USB works great. plug the stick in the rear USB ports, it works great. W T H |
| [08:21:04] | justinh: | we need a proper usb analyser. not a protocol unpicker. a *proper* thing to look at the USB signals |
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| [08:35:06] | notlistening: | events recording pending does that mean just before myth starts to record? |
| [08:35:29] | notlistening: | or does the recording started get executed before te recording actually begins? |
| [08:35:53] | notlistening: | I want an event just prior to recording |
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| [09:29:55] | justinh: | !trout linuxguy123 clue |
| [09:29:55] | ** MythLogBot slaps linuxguy123 with a clue trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [10:04:23] | hashbang: | wotcha, all |
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| [12:10:15] | justinh: | been thinking about this whole 'stupid 6 button remote' thing I've been going on about for years now. coming to reckon that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't *need* more than 6 buttons |
| [12:12:17] | justinh: | but then, who's willing to give up timestretching, changing aspect, soundtrack on the go etc? And if you don't need those bits, what's the point in using mythtv? :-) |
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| [12:36:29] | k-man: | justinh, didn't apple manage to squeeze it down to 5 buttons? |
| [12:48:00] | justinh: | thought their remotes had 6 |
| [12:49:47] | justinh: | more if you know morse code :D |
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| [15:12:11] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: why do you have a channel id in the billions? |
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| [15:21:47] | MrPaco: | hi all people |
| [15:22:59] | MrPaco: | is there any issue about the dvb-t adaptors? i have 2 computers with diferents dvb-t and the last week both lost one tuner |
| [15:23:37] | wagnerrp: | issue... how? |
| [15:24:05] | MrPaco: | arggg i hate my english, apologize |
| [15:24:27] | MrPaco: | the last week i dont have installed updates, but loss one tuner from each card of dvb-t |
| [15:24:57] | MrPaco: | i have two computers, one with a nova-td-500 and another cheap card, the two cards with two tuners |
| [15:25:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt support tuner drivers |
| [15:25:05] | wagnerrp: | we just use them |
| [15:25:24] | wagnerrp: | do you still have the /dev/dvb/adapter<n> device nodes? |
| [15:25:24] | MrPaco: | and the last week i cant use the two tuners, only one |
| [15:25:58] | MrPaco: | i have two yes |
| [15:26:08] | wagnerrp: | then mythtv should be using them |
| [15:26:10] | MrPaco: | two adapters |
| [15:26:43] | MrPaco: | but mythtv all time when i started , says the input is in use change to another |
| [15:26:50] | MrPaco: | then i select the second adapters and work |
| [15:27:00] | MrPaco: | but the main adapter still busy and i dont know why |
| [15:27:09] | MrPaco: | this problem is only the last week |
| [15:27:10] | wagnerrp: | is it possible the tuner is in use for a recording? |
| [15:28:19] | MrPaco: | nop |
| [15:29:01] | MrPaco: | i have two computers with diferents dvb-t and the same problem |
| [15:29:12] | MrPaco: | and another friend call me yesterday with the same problem |
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| [15:45:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thanks for the update to http setup channel editor... I was thinking I'd just do it when I looked at that ticket, but haven't gotten around to it. |
| [15:45:45] | sphery: | MrPaco: what do you mean, "says the input is in use change to another"? can you give us the exact wording of the message in the popup, please? |
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| [16:12:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems adobe just demo'd a real world "enhance" module |
| [16:13:14] | sphery: | oooh, cool |
| [16:13:28] | sphery: | and I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope it's built in Flash! |
| [16:13:46] | sphery: | that way, we can have cool UIs like on CSI--or with animated flames |
| [16:13:47] | wagnerrp: | of course, since the demo is up on youtube, the repaired image looks just as blurry as the original image |
| [16:13:48] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [16:13:53] | sphery: | hehe |
| [16:14:25] | wagnerrp: | actually, its a high quality, software version of the motion filtering on cameras |
| [16:14:52] | wagnerrp: | you take a long exposure image, with real time position data |
| [16:15:05] | wagnerrp: | the algorithm extrapolates out the original image from the motion blurred one |
| [16:15:35] | sphery: | uggg... I was looking at possibly "ready for deletion"-ing http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound , but it's linked in a lot of places :( |
| [16:15:45] | sphery: | There's so much completely incorrect info on that page... |
| [16:16:08] | sphery: | says "ALSA always..." about things that are actually hardware-specific |
| [16:16:15] | sphery: | and such |
| [16:17:32] | sphery: | we have way too many of these old, outdated pages... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . C3_and_SPDIF ... and isn't there an Alan's page somewhere? |
| [16:18:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, Allen got removed |
| [16:18:12] | wagnerrp: | just Digital_Audio_Howto |
| [16:18:19] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [16:19:39] | wagnerrp: | Tutorial, rather |
| [16:21:05] | wagnerrp: | jya: maybe you could look through the multiple assorted pages related to the same exact setup? |
| [16:21:24] | wagnerrp: | we could move the one most accurate one to the 'User Manual: ' |
| [16:21:27] | wagnerrp: | and delete the rest |
| [16:22:47] | lapion: | jyavenard are you in here ? |
| [16:23:59] | lapion: | wagnerrp, jyavenard fixed the wrong thing: Oct 09, 2011 |
| [16:23:59] | lapion: | Fix potential cash in mythtranscode. … |
| [16:23:59] | lapion: | e89d6a9f7e |
| [16:24:20] | NickHu: | Hey guys, XMLTV slightly broken for anyone else in the UK? |
| [16:24:23] | lapion: | if there is potential cash in mythtranscode it should not need fixing |
| [16:24:51] | lapion: | ll |
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| [16:25:02] | lapion: | s/ll/lol/ |
| [16:25:54] | wagnerrp: | who what? |
| [16:26:29] | lapion: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/e89d6 . . . 674f573bb670 |
| [16:27:02] | wagnerrp: | not my patch |
| [16:27:09] | sphery: | lapion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/493773#493773 |
| [16:27:35] | lapion: | wagnerrp, it's a type made in th description.. |
| [16:27:46] | NickHu: | For me regional xmltv channels and timeshift xmltv channels are all "Unknown" in EPG data :( |
| [16:27:47] | lapion: | s/type/typo/ |
| [16:28:01] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: this is with radiotimes? |
| [16:28:04] | NickHu: | Yes |
| [16:28:56] | lapion: | thanks sphery |
| [16:29:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, i actually read that as crash |
| [16:32:21] | NickHu: | In my logs it says "Failed to fetch some program info" |
| [16:32:29] | NickHu: | How do I get it in more detail? |
| [16:32:54] | lapion: | I thought so already. Be careful that's a symptom of absence of dyslexia, pretty soon who knows you are completely dyslexia free... very dangerous situation |
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| [16:43:41] | sphery: | NickHu: do you have mythfilldatabase logging enabled? if so, check mythfilldatabase logs |
| [16:43:46] | sphery: | if not, enable it in mythtv-setup |
| [16:44:00] | sphery: | and get info next time it fails :) |
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| [16:46:28] | NickHu: | Hmm |
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| [17:52:54] | Shadow__X: | sphery: thanks, i suspected i needed to use the orphan script from the beginning |
| [17:53:04] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: i have no idea why my chann id is so high |
| [17:53:57] | sphery: | Shadow__X: no, you don't *need* to use the orphan script--you can use mythfrontend... you just have to do it right :) |
| [17:54:41] | sphery: | but I just don't know what you're doing wrong or what is misconfigured |
| [17:54:44] | Shadow__X: | hmm ok well as i was saying yesterday it isnt showing up in mythfrontend so if you could tell me how to do it right that would help |
| [17:54:50] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [17:55:23] | Shadow__X: | afaik everything else works fine. I can delete shows no problem |
| [17:55:30] | sphery: | I've told you exactly what you need to do, but I'm guessing there's some other setting in there, somewhere, that's set to a non-default value on your system that's messing things up |
| [17:55:47] | sphery: | the problem with our labyrinth of settings |
| [17:55:54] | sphery: | you just happen to have found the minotaur |
| [17:56:08] | Shadow__X: | will it be friendly? |
| [17:58:24] | Shadow__X: | sphery: well justinh pointed out yesterday that the deletepending flag was set on those recordings and said thats why they are not showing up |
| [17:58:28] | Shadow__X: | in watch recordings |
| [17:59:09] | sphery: | I'm hoping I find Sarah, instead, in the Labyrinth. She was friendly. |
| [17:59:27] | sphery: | Shadow__X: ah, then mythweb shouldn't be showing them |
| [17:59:45] | sphery: | that means that it was deleting them (without slow deletes enabled) and you shut down the backend before it finished |
| [18:00:00] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [18:00:00] | sphery: | with slow deletes, that can't happen |
| [18:00:19] | Shadow__X: | ok i will look for the slow delete setting then |
| [18:00:24] | sphery: | I have a patch that cleans up that recording metadata, but haven't pushed it |
| [18:00:59] | sphery: | mainly because I don't know how to know if the metadata is truly orphaned or if the file system on which the files should exist is just unmounted |
| [18:01:24] | sphery: | likely I'll only clean up the deletepending recordings which still have files |
| [18:01:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: to be honest, i dont recall if the orphan script even handles livetv |
| [18:02:18] | sphery: | I'm thinking it does... |
| [18:02:26] | sphery: | not sure what it does with deletepending metadata though |
| [18:02:33] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah |
| [18:02:45] | wagnerrp: | kwargs = {'livetv':True} |
| [18:03:03] | wagnerrp: | i knew i had to add something special into the recording query to get it to not filter out livetv |
| [18:03:10] | sphery: | (while that /could/ be used to solve the "I ran find_orphans.py 2x in quick succession and it doesn't work" problem, it would also prevent fixing this particular orphaned-deletepending-metadata problem) |
| [18:03:12] | wagnerrp: | just didnt know if i had done so |
| [18:03:24] | wagnerrp: | deletepending? |
| [18:03:33] | deegan: | hrms, i got this wierd problem again. mythfrontend exits livetv with the error "Video fram buffering failed too many times" and judging by the logs there's the "0 size video file" problem again. What causes this? |
| [18:03:41] | sphery: | deletepending is a flag that's set when we say to delete the recording, but before it's actually deleted |
| [18:03:48] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:03:58] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont touch that |
| [18:04:07] | sphery: | recorded.deletepending |
| [18:04:54] | Shadow__X: | yeah it found the entries that are giving me issues |
| [18:05:08] | sphery: | cool, then it should work... ^ |
| [18:06:08] | Shadow__X: | awesome that cleared it right up |
| [18:06:16] | Shadow__X: | thanks sphery and thanks wagnerrp for your great script |
| [18:06:53] | deegan: | http://www.monkii.net/mytherror.txt |
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| [18:08:02] | Shadow__X: | i did find other files listed in find orphans but when i tell it to delete them they just stay there |
| [18:08:06] | Shadow__X: | is that a permission issue? |
| [18:08:12] | wagnerrp: | could be |
| [18:08:18] | wagnerrp: | that script doesnt do any deleting on its own |
| [18:08:22] | wagnerrp: | it has mythbackend delete for it |
| [18:08:47] | sphery: | or it could be that he just re-ran it too quickly? |
| [18:08:58] | sphery: | i.e. you have to wait for it to actually get around to deleting the stuff |
| [18:09:03] | wagnerrp: | thats the race condition sphery was talking about |
| [18:09:10] | wagnerrp: | erm... you are sphery |
| [18:09:16] | wagnerrp: | stupid xchat coloring |
| [18:09:40] | Shadow__X: | i gotcha |
| [18:10:05] | sphery: | am I the same color as Shadow__X ? |
| [18:10:22] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [18:10:33] | sphery: | hehe... I hope it's blue or green--I like those colors |
| [18:10:38] | wagnerrp: | red |
| [18:10:48] | Shadow__X: | hmm on my irssi theme everyones name is mainly blue |
| [18:10:54] | sphery: | oooh, like, "Watch out what this guy says because it's all errors" |
| [18:11:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont think this color scheme actually has a blue name |
| [18:11:30] | sphery: | on my irrsi, everyone's white text on black background--but my name is bolded white (and my name, when mentioned by someone else is yellow on black) |
| [18:11:57] | sphery: | er, my nick is yellow... my actual name or email or ... is cyan |
| [18:12:15] | wagnerrp: | text is light blue on black here, unless my name is mentioned, in which case its red |
| [18:12:42] | wagnerrp: | technically not black, more dark grey |
| [18:15:53] | sphery: | every black background's got a touch of grey |
| [18:15:58] | sphery: | I will get by... |
| [18:16:14] | wagnerrp: | thats because black is hard to look at |
| [18:16:25] | sphery: | you're supposed to look at the foreground :) |
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| [18:16:47] | wagnerrp: | contrast ratio... |
| [18:16:49] | sphery: | (I was actually mainly just stretching that to a Grateful Dead ref, but...) |
| [18:17:11] | wagnerrp: | the whole "dont look at computer screens in a dark room" thing |
| [18:17:27] | wagnerrp: | it transfers to white text on black background just as well |
| [18:17:32] | sphery: | perhaps I should dark grey my background |
| [18:17:36] | wagnerrp: | or black text on white background for that matter |
| [18:17:40] | sphery: | main problem is I never know whether to use grey or gray |
| [18:17:56] | sphery: | I've never seen a good description of the pros and cons of each |
| [18:18:55] | wagnerrp: | seems grey is british, gray is american |
| [18:19:01] | sphery: | anyway, thanks for the connection--reminds me to add Touch of Grey to my Pandora station |
| [18:19:14] | wagnerrp: | actually... i was under the impression grey was a color, Gray was a name |
| [18:19:15] | sphery: | but grey foxes are canadian |
| [18:19:40] | wagnerrp: | cute |
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| [18:48:22] | Oleg_: | does mythtv work with usb tv cards? |
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| [18:54:42] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv works with devices that expose themselves through the Linux DVB interface |
| [18:55:01] | wagnerrp: | whether those devices are PCI, PCIe, USB, or network attached, mythtv doesnt know or care |
| [18:55:50] | wagnerrp: | outside of that, mythtv has special support for things like firewire capture, or the hdhomerun tuners |
| [18:57:12] | wagnerrp: | for a list of tuner cards with linux driver support, see... |
| [18:57:14] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [18:57:14] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [19:13:52] | DeviceZer0: | does mythtv keep a list of every show recorded in the past? |
| [19:14:07] | DeviceZer0: | I'm trying to see if a certain episode of a show was recorded a while back. |
| [19:14:43] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: in mythfrontend, go to Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded |
| [19:15:05] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, ah. Ive been looking through mythweb |
| [19:15:17] | sphery: | you can use the MENU (IIRC) or numbers to re-sort (I think 1 is start time and 2 is title or ???) |
| [19:15:25] | sphery: | yeah, mythweb has no support for previously recorded |
| [19:15:38] | sphery: | only current and upcoming recordings |
| [19:16:19] | sphery: | I'll admit, though, that the mythfrontend UI isn't ideal--takes forever to scroll through history |
| [19:16:21] | Oleg_: | funny that this card is supported in linux only: http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html |
| [19:16:37] | sphery: | would be nice to have a 2-column list of titles/episodes |
| [19:17:00] | sphery: | Oleg_: yeah, the pcHDTV company was founded by GNU/Linux users who wanted a good digital capture card for GNU/Linux users |
| [19:17:24] | sphery: | unfortunately, the limited market meant that other, bigger--and Windows-supporting--companies have mostly displaced it |
| [19:17:39] | sphery: | but they actually donated a portion of profits to EFF and such... It was a cool company |
| [19:18:08] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, ah yea. Was hoping for a mythweb way...so i could just ctrl +f and search. But ill check the mythfrontend way |
| [19:18:08] | DeviceZer0: | thanks |
| [19:18:34] | sphery: | yeah, ctrl+f is nice |
| [19:18:59] | sphery: | perhaps we'll do up a services app for previously recorded and then have mythweb proxy it |
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| [19:23:10] | Oleg_: | sphery, so, this card will work in any standard pci slot? |
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| [19:24:47] | Oleg_: | if I order it, I won't regret it? :) |
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| [19:25:42] | Oleg_: | it will it in a pci conventional slot, right? |
| [19:25:46] | Oleg_: | *fit |
| [19:25:51] | wagnerrp: | other than price, it should work fine for digital |
| [19:25:52] | sphery: | Oleg_: well, it's an older model of digital capture card |
| [19:26:15] | sphery: | I'm still using 4 pcHDTV HD-3000s... they work, but I don't know if you can find newer/cheaper/lower power versions |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | (versions meaning from other, larger vendors--like Hauppauge) |
| [19:26:43] | Oleg_: | but I am talking about 5500 card |
| [19:26:56] | sphery: | right... it's old... 3000 is older, but works fine |
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| [19:27:41] | sphery: | if you like the "donates to the EFF", you may be better off buying a Hauppauge card for cheaper, then donating the savings to EFF directly :) |
| [19:27:41] | Oleg_: | so, you know about any newer and cheaper cards specifically for linux? |
| [19:27:51] | sphery: | you need PCI vs PCIe? |
| [19:27:54] | Oleg_: | PCI |
| [19:28:05] | sphery: | and you need ATSC? |
| [19:28:15] | Oleg_: | yes, for over the air ATSC broadcasts |
| [19:28:24] | sphery: | so, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards is the list |
| [19:29:24] | sphery: | the Hauppauge HVR-1600 is the only PCI from Hauppauge, and it's got a built-in analog encoder (for SDTV from a cable STB or VCR or what have you), so it's probably more expensive than the $99 HD-5500 |
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| [19:29:57] | wagnerrp: | no, i think its like $70-$90 |
| [19:29:58] | sphery: | guess you can find the HVR-1600 for $90... hehe |
| [19:30:12] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1199-HVR-1600 . . . 9&sr=8-1 |
| [19:30:26] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116033 |
| [19:30:46] | sphery: | though if you're not using the analog side, I don't know how its power usage compares to the HD-5500 |
| [19:31:59] | Oleg_: | but what makes this card better than hd-5500 besides the price (which is only like $10 difference)? |
| [19:33:54] | sphery: | IMHO, when it comes to digital capture cards, there's no real "better"... only newer and, potentially, lower-power-using |
| [19:34:05] | sphery: | if you have working hardware and working drivers, you end up with identical output |
| [19:34:11] | wagnerrp: | it has an MPEG encoder, meaning it is far far better than the hd-5500 for analog |
| [19:34:13] | sphery: | (for the most part) |
| [19:34:38] | sphery: | yeah, if you're using analog capture, too, go with the HVR-1600... if not, shouldn't matter either way |
| [19:35:34] | sphery: | note, though that other vendors have the HVR-1600 for cheaper.... never done business with any, but http://www.ascendtech.us/itemdesc.asp?ic=TVTUNHAUHVR1600 for $69.95 + S&H and http://chucksaudiovideo.com/product/5360_Haup . . . er-1199.html for $78.86 + S&H |
| [19:36:18] | sphery: | hehe, the latter shows shipping of $58.66, so not a good choice |
| [19:36:53] | sphery: | I assume they ship it in a gold-plated wooden keepsake box |
| [19:37:29] | Oleg_: | I wonder about something. if all of those cards are pci-compliant, why do they look as if they were made for not the same type of slot? |
| [19:37:38] | sphery: | basically, with the hauppauge parts, you can shop around... with pchdtv, you can't |
| [19:37:47] | wagnerrp: | all what cards? |
| [19:38:03] | wagnerrp: | all PCI cards should look the same (perhaps with some variation in notching) |
| [19:38:20] | wagnerrp: | give a link to one that is significantly different |
| [19:39:19] | sphery: | anyway, if I were buying PCI HDTV capture cards, today, I'd buy based on listed support for 8VSB and QAM at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards and price |
| [19:39:45] | sphery: | (8VSB is OTA ATSC) |
| [19:43:38] | Oleg_: | ok, this card looks like this: http://pchdtv.com/images/image006.jpg |
| [19:43:42] | Oleg_: | but this card: |
| [19:44:41] | sphery: | seems that one is a low-profile pci card |
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| [19:44:58] | sphery: | (i.e. with a new backplate could be used in a small-form-factor case) |
| [19:46:04] | Oleg_: | http://www.pchdtv.com/images/image005.jpg |
| [19:46:21] | wagnerrp: | still PCI |
| [19:46:24] | Oleg_: | and both of them were made for pci-compliant 2.2 slot? |
| [19:46:53] | wagnerrp: | thats a 5 volt card |
| [19:47:10] | wagnerrp: | meaning it can only operate in systems that have 5-volt slots |
| [19:47:42] | wagnerrp: | a notch near the plate means a 3.3V card, that can only operate in 3.3-volt slots |
| [19:47:53] | wagnerrp: | cards with two notches are universal |
| [19:47:56] | wagnerrp: | they can operate in any |
| [19:48:17] | sphery: | nice pic at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI . . . ecifications |
| [19:49:11] | sphery: | was that 2nd pic a pic of the 3000? |
| [19:49:18] | sphery: | IIRC, it looks just like mine |
| [19:49:35] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:49:41] | wagnerrp: | http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html |
| [19:50:17] | sphery: | yeah, I know mine is a power waste |
| [19:50:26] | sphery: | just haven't felt it's worth replacing them, yet :) |
| [19:50:31] | sphery: | they run hot |
| [19:50:44] | sphery: | wonder if the new ones are much better |
| [19:51:49] | Oleg_: | so, the linux support for HVR-1600 card is just as good as its support for hd-5550 card? |
| [19:52:50] | sphery: | all I can say is I know a lot of people in this channel are using HVR-1600 |
| [19:53:15] | sphery: | note that I'm not specifically recommending the HVR-1600 for you... just saying you should shop around |
| [19:53:21] | wagnerrp: | do you have an old system that only has PCI slots? |
| [19:53:51] | wagnerrp: | if you do, it may simply be time to upgrade |
| [19:54:02] | sphery: | When I helped a friend upgrade his mythtv system to digital/HDTV, I recommended he get Avermedia A180s (which aren't really available, anymore) because they were about half the cost of the HD-5500 at the time |
| [19:54:10] | Oleg_: | I have one pci-e express slot |
| [19:54:17] | wagnerrp: | the last time they made motherboards without PCIe slots was probably back in 2005 |
| [19:54:18] | Oleg_: | but it already has a video card in it |
| [19:54:28] | sphery: | in spite of the fact that I had bought HD-3000s about a year before that to "support" a GNU/Linux-supporting company |
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| [19:54:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, you can probably get significantly cheaper cards with pcie... |
| [19:55:34] | sphery: | such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116028 |
| [19:55:56] | sphery: | you're paying the "old tech" tax buying PCI, today |
| [19:56:24] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1196-WinTV-HV . . . p/B0014YFC18 is the same HVR-1250 PCIe card for $49.99 w/ free S&H |
| [19:57:09] | sphery: | so, compared to HD-5500... if you buy 4 cards, you'd save $200--which is plenty to buy a new mobo/CPU/RAM |
| [19:57:10] | Oleg_: | well, I won't remove my nvidia gt 220 card from the pci-e slot :) |
| [19:57:12] | sphery: | :D |
| [19:57:33] | wagnerrp: | thats an awfully new card for something that only has one PCIe slot |
| [19:57:33] | sphery: | (and get the benefit of lower-power-usage than old CPUs/chipsets--which will save more money over time) |
| [19:57:39] | wagnerrp: | older microatx board? |
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| [19:57:53] | discernica: | hello all. quick question ... just setup a frontend (have 1 other/no problem). when I exit live TV or watching a video, this new frontend hangs on "TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None" — sound familiar to anyone? |
| [19:58:44] | sphery: | discernica: which Playback Profile group? (mythfrontend, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen) |
| [19:59:05] | sphery: | if you've made one that uses OpenGL video renderer, that could cause problems if you're not using the most-current 0.24-fixes |
| [19:59:30] | sphery: | also, if you're using CPU+ (or any CPU* one), it could cause problems |
| [19:59:32] | sphery: | Use Slim |
| [19:59:42] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, this is my computer: http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/1014729R/1014729Rsp4.shtml |
| [19:59:44] | sphery: | or a VDPAU one if you have a VDPAU-compatible nvidia video card |
| [20:00:16] | discernica: | Hadn't changed this, so either default or picked-up from other host settings ... anyway: CPU+ |
| [20:00:16] | sphery: | Oleg_: how many capture cards are you planning to get? |
| [20:00:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, pre-built, that explains it |
| [20:00:21] | Oleg_: | and I have two unused pci slots in it |
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| [20:00:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pre-built cards notoriously only have enough expansion for the parts the machine is sold with |
| [20:01:02] | wagnerrp: | no sense making things more expensive to allow for hardware youre going to buy 3rd party |
| [20:01:46] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, but I don't understand. those pci slots I have in my comp, they are 5.5v or 3.3v? |
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| [20:02:01] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: depends on the notches |
| [20:05:51] | sphery: | hehe, I love how Pandora plays Overkill by Colin Hay from the Scrubs soundtrack |
| [20:09:09] | Oleg_: | why do all of those cards are advertised as pci 2.2 universal if pci 2.2 slots are actually different because they have different notches? |
| [20:10:32] | wagnerrp: | because cards with two notches are universal |
| [20:10:39] | wagnerrp: | they can function in both 3.3V and 5V slots |
| [20:11:05] | wagnerrp: | the notch means "i can operate at this voltage" |
| [20:11:16] | wagnerrp: | so two notches means "i can operate at both these voltages" |
| [20:12:16] | Oleg_: | what about this card: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/File:Ha . . . pc_74021.jpg ? |
| [20:12:36] | wagnerrp: | its a universal card |
| [20:13:06] | Oleg_: | so, it looks like hd-5550 is also a universal card |
| [20:13:11] | Oleg_: | but hd-3000 isn't |
| [20:14:15] | wagnerrp: | correct |
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| [20:15:30] | Oleg_: | and all of those cards will be able to capture digital over the air atsc broadcasts? |
| [20:17:39] | discernica: | sphery: tried a few, last one being slim (had the best playback btw), but all hang when I hit ESC |
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| [20:18:13] | discernica: | I now see the last frontend log entry: MythPainter: 2 images not yet de-allocated. |
| [20:19:44] | sphery: | discernica: what video card |
| [20:19:52] | discernica: | nvidia 7300gt |
| [20:20:07] | discernica: | ironic, this *was* my old back/frontend |
| [20:20:13] | discernica: | ran for many yrs |
| [20:20:50] | sphery: | which Theme Painter (should say in mythfrontend log output) |
| [20:21:39] | sphery: | something like: 2011-10–08 13:45:13.709 Using the OpenGL painter |
| [20:22:13] | discernica: | qt painter |
| [20:22:39] | sphery: | Try switching to OpenGL painter sinc eyou have a good video card (assuming you're actually using good = nvidia proprietary drivers |
| [20:23:03] | sphery: | in mythfrontend settings... Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance, IIRC |
| [20:23:58] | discernica: | you just jogged my memory, using (ahem) nouveau out of the fedora box drivers, thanks for your help, more work to do |
| [20:25:24] | sphery: | hehe, I wouldn't be surprised if the nouveau drivers are related to the issue, then |
| [20:25:32] | sphery: | still, likely want to switch to OpenGL theme painter, anyway |
| [20:25:39] | sphery: | (once you get nvidia drivers working/installed) |
| [20:25:57] | sphery: | or, it may actually work fine with nouveau once you switch to opengl theme painter... |
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| [20:27:17] | discernica: | sphery: thanks (I should have know better/remembered). installs are so easy these days it's easy to forget the fine tuning |
| [20:27:31] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:27:53] | sphery: | ideally, it would work either way, but I know that some drivers cause some issues |
| [20:28:04] | sphery: | anyway, hope that helps |
| [20:29:20] | discernica: | yes, thanks. now blacklisting nouveau, seem to recall had to do that in the past. it's a face-hugger |
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| [20:34:36] | Oleg_: | ok, so I am ready to order Hauppauge 1199 WinTV HVR-1600 card |
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| [20:45:43] | Oleg_: | it says I will get it tomorrow |
| [20:45:53] | sphery: | yay, enjoy |
| [20:46:09] | sphery: | should be straightforward installation in any modern distro |
| [20:46:14] | sphery: | should just work |
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| [20:46:53] | Oleg_: | cool |
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| [20:57:06] | jya: | sphery: most of those pages defined on how to configure digital audio for the entire system, and not just myth |
| [21:06:59] | jya: | interesting, this article talks about aRTS, on the aRTS web site, the last "news" is dated February 2004... |
| [21:08:15] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, lots of outdated info on tehm |
| [21:08:29] | sphery: | arts (and esd) seem to both have been displaced by pulse |
| [21:08:58] | sphery: | so now, rather than having a DE-centric sound server messing things up, there's a DE-agnostic sound server messing things up :) |
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| [21:10:08] | sphery: | anyway, I'd say that system-level setup info belongs in distro-specific wikis, not mythtv wiki |
| [21:10:19] | sphery: | we should have mythtv config info in our wiki |
| [21:10:56] | sphery: | and not a "if you're using Ubuntu 10.04, do this... If you're using Ubuntu 11.04, do this... If you're using Fedora 15, do this..." type stuff |
| [21:17:43] | Oleg_: | bbl |
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| [21:18:51] | notlistening: | Right events if i want an event to run just prior to recording what would someone recommend? |
| [21:19:39] | wagnerrp: | recording pending |
| [21:19:54] | wagnerrp: | its triggered a couple minutes prior |
| [21:20:56] | notlistening: | Brilliant thats what i wanted to know |
| [21:32:54] | notlistening: | The more and more I am using myth the more you realise some ppl have spent some time thinking and making it super flexible |
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| [23:07:30] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [23:07:38] | mattwj2002: | I got a new toy in the mail |
| [23:07:39] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [23:08:06] | mattwj2002: | mini wireless keyboard an mouse! |
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| [23:08:09] | wagnerrp: | if you twist it, does it vibrate? |
| [23:08:15] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [23:08:16] | mattwj2002: | no |
| [23:09:45] | wh0dat: | if i switch from one HD channel to another, i get that file buffer error... if i switch from an HD channel to an SD channel and then to another HD channel it works.... any ideas on this? a bug? or do i have something configured wrong? |
| [23:09:52] | notlistening: | Advert skipping, not working any ideas, I have turned it on by default on the frontend and the commflag jobs are ruuning? |
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| [23:14:33] | mattwj2002: | Is it all videos or just certain ones? |
| [23:16:33] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: commflagging is functionally useless in the UK |
| [23:16:59] | iamlindoro: | because your broadcasters splice their feeds together in such a way that it cannot function |
| [23:17:20] | mattwj2002: | oh you are from the UK? |
| [23:17:34] | mattwj2002: | it doesn't matter I didn't know that anyways :) |
| [23:17:50] | ** mattwj2002 waves to iamlindoro ** | |
| [23:19:29] | mattwj2002: | used 270 GB so far |
| [23:19:31] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [23:22:35] | notlistening: | Brilliant :P |
| [23:23:28] | notlistening: | Can it not detect the little corner at the top right the indicated adverts? |
| [23:23:37] | notlistening: | *that |
| [23:23:46] | wagnerrp: | it could, if someone had ever programmed it to do so |
| [23:24:03] | wagnerrp: | the only people doing any real tweaking of the commflagger have been north american |
| [23:24:05] | notlistening: | there you go, I am sure other systems use that |
| [23:24:13] | iamlindoro: | So get writing |
| [23:24:17] | wagnerrp: | so thats the only location that really works adequately |
| [23:24:30] | iamlindoro: | lazy UK users |
| [23:24:46] | wagnerrp: | and even then, there has been no real work on the commflagging algorithms in several years |
| [23:24:52] | notlistening: | yeah I hear you iamlindoro |
| [23:25:24] | wagnerrp: | there is a script floating around that repurposes a utility for detecting silence in CDs towards detecting commercial breaks |
| [23:25:27] | notlistening: | I might try and awaken some intrest in my local linux group |
| [23:25:42] | wagnerrp: | right now, the commflagger has no support for audio processing |
| [23:25:55] | wagnerrp: | adding such a capability would add a lot of new possibilities for accurate detection |
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| [23:26:22] | wagnerrp: | if you were so interested, that would be an excellent place to start |
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| [23:29:49] | _SKiTZO: | I just installed an old hauppauge win-TV NOVA-S and I want to use the s-video input feature (not the DVB). how can i proceed? |
| [23:29:59] | wagnerrp: | no you dont |
| [23:30:01] | _SKiTZO: | i am on lates ubuntu 32bit |
| [23:30:15] | _SKiTZO: | it's not possible? |
| [23:30:23] | wagnerrp: | oh, its probably possible |
| [23:30:32] | wagnerrp: | you just dont want to use the analog inputs on that card |
| [23:30:38] | _SKiTZO: | why not? |
| [23:30:51] | wagnerrp: | because that card is a framegrabber |
| [23:31:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre going through all sorts of trouble to configure it and capture and compress the audio and video in real time |
| [23:31:30] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record analog with mythtv, you want something with a hardware MPEG encoder |
| [23:31:48] | _SKiTZO: | i dont want to record, i just want to watch it on a monitor |
| [23:31:59] | wagnerrp: | then use TVTime |
| [23:32:06] | _SKiTZO: | ok *googling |
| [23:33:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv exists only to record, it does not do passthrough monitoring |
| [23:33:09] | _SKiTZO: | the mythtv setup is really scary for a beginner. all the stuff i dont know anything about.. |
| [23:33:14] | _SKiTZO: | og |
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| [23:33:16] | _SKiTZO: | ok |
| [23:33:34] | wagnerrp: | everything you watch is automatically recorded, and stored for up to a day, or until you run out of storage and need to delete something |
| [23:33:38] | wagnerrp: | whichever comes first |
| [23:33:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning use with framegrabbers is a complete PITA |
| [23:34:15] | _SKiTZO: | i see |
| [23:34:20] | wagnerrp: | where as in something like tvtime, video buffers are copied directly out of the capture card and straight into the video card |
| [23:34:28] | wagnerrp: | with no need or want for processing in between |
| [23:35:14] | _SKiTZO: | sounds exactly like what I want then. gf is over and i dont have a TV :P |
| [23:35:35] | _SKiTZO: | so i figured I would provide her with her fix with this little settup |
| [23:36:00] | wagnerrp: | do you see a /dev/video<n>? |
| [23:36:18] | _SKiTZO: | how does that work behind the scenes? are video input devices enumerated under /dev somehow? |
| [23:36:27] | _SKiTZO: | i see /dev/video0 |
| [23:36:37] | _SKiTZO: | but playing it in VLC just gives a black blank |
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| [23:36:40] | wagnerrp: | if you do, then it should just be a matter of getting tvtime (or xawtv, or mplayer, or something else) installed and pointed at that node |
| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | VLC should work, you may have it set to use the wrong input |
| [23:37:17] | wagnerrp: | that /dev/video0 represents the analog capture on that card |
| [23:37:38] | wagnerrp: | however behind that, it can have multiple mutually exclusive inputs, like a tuner, svideo, composite, etc... |
| [23:38:04] | wagnerrp: | you need to tell VLC or tvtime, or whatever, which of those inputs you want switched into /dev/video0 |
| [23:38:19] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv, when you are configuring it, you are given a list of all inputs available behind a device |
| [23:38:29] | wagnerrp: | in other software, i dont know how it would be configured |
| [23:39:10] | _SKiTZO: | i just got tvtime to work. it had a menu |
| [23:39:13] | _SKiTZO: | thanks alot! |
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| [23:42:02] | sdkovacs: | Hi everyone. I am running 0.24.1-fixes from atrpms, with an HDHomerun recording via QAM, 2 physical, 4 virtual tuners. A recording failed last night, and I don't see an indication as to why. I put the log in pastebin --> http://pastebin.com/fGn6nBT0 |
| [23:42:33] | sdkovacs: | please let me know if you can see why it failed |
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