Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 10th, 2011, 00:09 UTC

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clydefrog:

got the STB and MythTV backend working... Used mythchanger and all is well.

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 2 days 3 hours 46 minutes 22 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen awalls

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MythLogBot:

awalls was last seen 12 hours 43 minutes 26 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you recall the linuxtv people once mentioning how foolish trying to record from a USB device in a VM is?

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clydefrog:

Is it possible to do that? I would think that the video support is not that great for a VM.

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wagnerrp:

for backends

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wagnerrp:

some people seem to think what is good for a handful of things is good for everything

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clydefrog:

Ah, I see

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wagnerrp:

so they drink the koolaid and run VMs at home just because they can

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but then i can do two things on one computer!

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wagnerrp:

multitasking? on one machine? brilliant!

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[R]:

lol

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mattwj2002:

good night all

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

bye!

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hahahaha

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough* *cough*

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[R]:

this seemed like a good workaround until

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[R]:

KVM supports EHCI/USB 2.0 passthrough natively.

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[R]:

i dont get it

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[R]:

why does he insist on running it in a vm to begin with

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iamlindoro:

I think he's laughing at the unit confusion

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wagnerrp:

10 microseconds sure sounds like a lot in comparison to 0.2 to 0.3 MILLISECONDS

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** iamlindoro figured **

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[R]:

oh, i was never good with units

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[R]:

i always have to draw it out or whategver

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wagnerrp:

seems Matt Mossholder is not either

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[R]:

and i work on timing critical things at my work... go figure

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I also love that three 30 minute recordings is somehow evidence that it's tried and true

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iamlindoro:

Yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5JUbBdec6E

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wagnerrp:

'leenix'?

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Beirdo:

such fun

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wagnerrp:

random search? or did the link show up somewhere?

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iamlindoro:

related on one of my youtube videos

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wagnerrp:

generic techno makes install videos so much more fun

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** wagnerrp starts flipping the light switch on and off **

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jya:

nickralph: if you are on ubuntu, you can use my packages, it includes the BBC HD fix

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu auto-configures your tuner cards?

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iamlindoro:

noooope

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wagnerrp:

well then how is he running mythfrontend?

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iamlindoro:

ask him?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: 6:15 or so, it definitely cuts way forware

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iamlindoro:

forward

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iamlindoro:

starting with "With a mythbuntu installation"

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sorry, don't remember that conversation

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sphery:

but looking forward to the next installment of your series of educational messages

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wagnerrp:

i know devin had mentioned either andy or steven's hatred of hardware in VMs

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wagnerrp:

oh, beirdo filled in on that one

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wagnerrp:

a brief overview of metric scales

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sphery:

Beirdo: so, my 1GB Atom+ION server should be fine for a combined frontend/backend/mysql server with ext4 + barriers, right?

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wagnerrp:

yes, as long as you have a 500 microbyte hard drive

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sphery:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

My recordings are 6 Gigabytes... kind of makes 500 MICROBYTES seem a little huge by comparison

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sphery:

I don't understand why you guys don't get the "because I can" reasoning... It's the basis of Compiz, so why not make it the basis of a MythTV system design?

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wagnerrp:

because we can choose not to

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sphery:

hehe, another "auto-transcode to remove commercials" plan on the users list

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sphery:

and yet we have another guy who's bent out of shape because up to 3s of time is missing between back-to-back recordings on his one tuner

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iamlindoro:

sphery: that's from our other class of user, the "I refuse to buy another tuner/schedules direct/a real PC, how dare you nazis even suggest it"

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sphery:

yeah, exactly

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sphery:

maybe this ext4 barriers thing will finally get people to start buying real pcs

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wagnerrp:

nah

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wagnerrp:

well see $150 Atoms paired with $200 SSDs first

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Beirdo:

sphery: sure... as long as you are using external ramdisks :)

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sphery:

"I never saw a need to upgrade my system for MythTV--after all, 0.16 ran fine on my P3 1GHz. However, I think it's well worth the cost to upgrade now so I can use ext4."

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sad thing is that you're probably right about that

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Beirdo:

sphery: really, the barrier can stay on, I bet... put noatime,nodiratime on the mysql mount :)

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Beirdo:

but who knows

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sphery:

this is exactly why I'm still using ext2... I figure I'll try out the new-fangled stuff when it's had plenty of testing.

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Beirdo:

you might as well use ext4 with barrier=0

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Beirdo:

it's already better :)

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Beirdo:

and faster

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sphery:

I'm waiting for ext7. I know that ext6, a.k.a. extvista, will be awful and take unreasonably-powerful hardware.

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wagnerrp:

isnt that ext4?

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows it was all downhill since ext3.11

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sphery:

hehe, that could be... once again, Linux is way ahead of Windows? :)

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[R]:

3.11 WAS the bomb

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[R]:

i remember that program that let you send messages between computers

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[R]:

that was cool

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wagnerrp:

netsend?

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k-man:

yeah, that was cool

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Beirdo:

I'm waiting for reiser5 or whatever the next version will be

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k-man:

those were the days

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Beirdo:

just gotta wait 15 more years or so

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wagnerrp:

everything up through 7 still has that capability

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wagnerrp:

but everything vista or beyond ships with it disabled by default

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k-man:

do people still use reiserfs?

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[R]:

no, there wass a program to do it

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[R]:

like a graphical thing

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[R]:

and then you could play hearts

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[R]:

over the network

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[R]:

that was cool too

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[R]:

i think they removed that

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Beirdo:

why wouldn't people use reiserfs?

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[R]:

you mean murderFS

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** [R] snickers **

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Beirdo:

it's still one of the best, convict author or not

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wagnerrp:

because it hasnt been touched in years

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wagnerrp:

oh wait, i bet it does get touched frequently

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wagnerrp:

considering its surroundings

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

I think we should all just use jffs2. It has wear-leveling built in, so it's got to be the best.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's a unix filesystem... like most authors of such code, it hasn't been touched in years...

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** wagnerrp seems to have f--d up his right arm **

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Beirdo:

at least ya didn't go blind.

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wagnerrp:

would that have made my right arm stronger, not weaker?

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wagnerrp:

pants leg got snagged on the top of a ladder

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Beirdo:

unless ya pulled a muscle :)

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wagnerrp:

causing me to fall off arms first

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Beirdo:

eek

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wagnerrp:

palms are bruised, but thats not a bothersome problem

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wagnerrp:

ever wake up with a dead arm?

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Beirdo:

sometimes, yeah

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wagnerrp:

you slept on it, and its gone past 'asleep' and simply has no feeling or strength at all

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Beirdo:

aye.

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wagnerrp:

my brachialis has no strength

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wagnerrp:

im struggling to extend my elbow

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wagnerrp:

(works fine the other way)

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** iamlindoro is mildly amused by people who think a three tuner system is a "big" myth system **

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Beirdo:

ouch. sounds like a trip to the hospital may be in order

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt hurt, and it works well enough

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just bruised

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Beirdo:

hmm, could be, I guess.

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Beirdo:

I'm not a doctor :)

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** wagnerrp wonders if he can do a push-up **

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Beirdo:

I can't normally anyways

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** wagnerrp feels like an idiot, since those are shoulder muscles, not arm ones **

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Beirdo:

my legs are nice and strong... not so my arms/shoulders

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wagnerrp:

oh!

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wagnerrp:

i bet im just sore from yardwork

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wagnerrp:

was digging a trench for an electrical conduit with an adze

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Beirdo:

ahhh, that could be related

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wagnerrp:

the fall probably just triggered some kind of shoc

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wagnerrp:

k

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I may have found the fix to #10032

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Beirdo:

stupid deadlocks...

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Beirdo:

(and it wasn't the code I had there originally)

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clydefrog:

goodnight all

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** jya is now imagining what Beirdo looks like topless... **

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Beirdo:

I don't think you wanna be doin that

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k-man:

is pulse audio any good?

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jya:

you're right… I also got a mental picture of your "nice and strong" legs :)

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

well, ya need strong legs to move heavy weights

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jya:

k-man: it depends what you are doing… if you are using a machine exclusively for mythtv, then there's no point and you should use ALSA directly

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k-man:

jya, what if I want to mix mythtv with shairport's output?

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jya:

then you don't have much choice….

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k-man:

jya, well, alsa can share directly also apparantly

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jya:

alsa devices can be opened in shared mode, but it's not that great

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k-man:

without requiring pulse

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k-man:

why is it

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k-man:

why is it not great?

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jya:

the advantage of using pulse is that you can control the volume of myth independently of any other applications

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k-man:

ah I see. as it happens, I leave mythtv at a fixed volume

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jya:

because pulse was designed precisely for that use… it's a sound server, you still need alsa no matter what

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k-man:

I use my amp's volume to control the volume

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jya:

k-man: do you want to hear the audio from both myth and your "shairport" (no clue what that is) at the same time, or one or the other ?

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jya:

mythtv only uses the audio device when it is playing audio. so you can perfectly use alsa in that case, as long as you're not trying to use them at the same time.

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k-man:

jya, in theory, only want to hear 1 at a time – but I don't want to have to switch between inputs to hear 1 or the other. just pause one and play the other

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jya:

if you want to use alsa with mythtv, you will have to exit playback, not pause

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jya:

otherwise use pulse (either native audio, or the pulse alsa emulation)

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k-man:

jya, fyi, shairport acts as a "receiver" like an apple airport, for your iphone. you can play music on your iphone and the music comes out of the shairport process

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jya:

you have to bear in mind that pulse opens your audio device first in a single mode

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jya:

then you feed the pulse server audio. Pulse will convert all audio so it can be all mixed

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jya:

by default it's 16 bits, 44.1kHz

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k-man:

jya, does the process have to know how to talk to pulse? or does pulse just appear as another audio device to the process?

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jya:

so if you're playing 24 bits audio, 48kHz video etc… everything will have to be converted on the fly, resampled etc...

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jya:

there's a resulting quality loss

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k-man:

jya, I see

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jya:

k-man: it depends… usually when the pulse server is running, it creates an ALSA audio device (usually called pulse), and will also take over of the OSS output

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jya:

so if an application doesn't know how to talk to the pulse server natively, you can configure it to use ALSA or OSS and it will "just work"

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k-man:

jya, I see – I'll have to try it out

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k-man:

I have heard some negative talk about pulse for some reason

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jya:

if you have pulse server running on ubuntu for example

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jya:

when you go into the mythtv audio config, you can select PulseAudio: device (which is the native pulse driver)

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jya:

or select ALSA:pulse

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jya:

which is the pulse ALSA device

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k-man:

I see... so PulseAudio would be beeter in that instance

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jya:

I found that ALSA:pulse is more reliable than using the native PulseAudio driver

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k-man:

oh

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jya:

but ALSA:pulse doesn't have some extra features, such as being able to control the volume of the applications independantly

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jya:

so it's up to you… experiment with both and find the one suiting you best

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k-man:

oh, apparanlty pulse is installed on my debian system

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jya:

remember that with pulse, you can't use digital audio

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jya:

you won't be able to bitstream AC3, DTS etc..

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k-man:

I don't believe I do that currently – I stull use an SD tv

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k-man:

and a pre-historic amp

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jya:

it doesn't mean it's any less good...

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jya:

since I've moved to hdmi audio, there's a significant lag when changing audio format

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jya:

the hdmi amps takes a few seconds to sync on the new content

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jya:

very annoying

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k-man:

oh that is annoying

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jya:

but I can do 7.1 audio on the other hand...

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k-man:

I recently tried out a DAB+ radio which has similar tuning lag to digital tv and its very annoying. its good how analogue doesn't suffer from that

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k-man:

jya, ah thats good

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k-man:

jya, thanks for the guidance – I have to run. ttyl

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lapion:

Hello I cannot seem to get any slave backend servers to cooperate myth my frontend, I have tried 2 fresh installations on 2 different platforms ( without tuners )

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justinh:

what does a frontend have to do with a slave backend?

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lapion:

oop I meant: Hello I cannot seem to get any slave backend servers to cooperate myth my master backend, I have tried 2 fresh installations on 2 different platforms ( without tuners )

[08:53:32]

justinh:

to co'operate myth?

[08:53:36]

justinh:

s/myth/with ?

[08:53:41]

justinh:

lol

[08:54:10]

justinh:

1. check the master backend is not bound to 127.0.0.1 – i.e. it is bound to the proper LAN IP address of the backend machine

[08:54:25]

lapion:

*with

[08:54:28]

justinh:

2. check that you can use the mysql server from any other machine on the network

[08:55:00]

justinh:

because if the master backend is only bound to localhost (127.0.0.1) your slave backend(s) won't see it

[08:55:24]

justinh:

and if the database isn't accessible from another machine – well you aren't going to have any kind of luck

[08:55:44]

lapion:

local backend was set to 127.0.0.1, remote 10.10.etc.etc.etc

[08:55:49]

justinh:

oh and they all have to be running *exactly* the same version

[08:55:59]

justinh:

that's no use

[08:56:09]

justinh:

master backend has to be running on the LAN IP

[08:57:03]

lapion:

ppa made sure of that. but in the meantime I have removed the slave, will try it some other time.. and I think it might have something to do with the slave not having storage set-up ???

[08:57:40]

lapion:

my local lan is 10.10.etc.etc...

[08:57:51]

justinh:

no. I think it has *everything* to do with you not setting up the master backend properly. ON THE LAP IP ADDRESS. IT WILL NOT WORK IF THE MBE IP ADDRESS IS 127.0.0.1

[08:58:15]

justinh:

LAP? LAN

[08:58:19]

lapion:

they do connect with each other..

[08:58:44]

justinh:

what are you trying to use a slave backend for anyway?

[08:58:55]

justinh:

without tuners or storage...

[08:59:08]

justinh:

sounds like an idiotic idea

[08:59:55]

lapion:

when all else fails remove all tuners and try to get the servers to interact withour tuners

[09:00:17]

justinh:

what?

[09:00:31]

justinh:

you should still be running the MBE on the LAN IP of the machine

[09:01:08]

lapion:

of course I did not remove the mbe tuners, but I did remove the tuner on th Slave

[09:01:12]

justinh:

but hey, if you're going to ignore what I'm saying it's your funeral

[09:01:28]

justinh:

you know best, after all

[09:01:55]

lapion:

I have not ignored what you are saying you have misunderstood what I am saying

[09:02:20]

justinh:

you said the master backend was running on 127.0.0.1 & you set the slaves on 10.10.etc.etc

[09:02:24]

justinh:

look:

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justinh:

09:55 < lapion> local backend was set to 127.0.0.1, remote 10.10.etc.etc.etc

[09:02:59]

lapion:

that was on the skave

[09:03:04]

justinh:

sigh

[09:03:06]

lapion:

slave

[09:03:17]

justinh:

you do not want ANY of the backends, slave or not, to be on 127.0.0.1

[09:03:29]

lapion:

you do understand what I mean by etc ?

[09:03:45]

justinh:

lapion: that is what YOU said

[09:03:49]

justinh:

put down the crack pipe

[09:04:40]

justinh:

once you move away from a standalone mythtv backend configuration – that is to say, everything in one machine – you have to run mythbackend on the LAN IP address of each machine

[09:04:58]

justinh:

that way all the backends will be able to communicate with each other

[09:05:48]

justinh:

so on the master backend if the machine IP address is 10.0.0.100 then you must set up mythbackend to use 10.0.0.100 NOT 127.0.0.1

[09:05:54]

justinh:

the same goes for any slave backends

[09:05:55]

lapion:

this is what I had it configured as: slave: local serv: 127.0.0.1 remote: x.x.x.12 and mbe : local serv x.x.x.12 remote: x.x.x.12

[09:06:08]

justinh:

that is wrong

[09:06:23]

justinh:

you need to set ALL backends to use the LAN IP address of the machines they run on

[09:07:18]

lapion:

so it shuld be: slave: local serv: x.x.x.21 remote: x.x.x.12 and mbe : local serv x.x.x.12 remote: x.x.x.12

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justinh:

yup

[09:34:27]

lapion:

justinh, I had several freezes before I decided to run mythtv-setup.real change the config and manually restart the backend..

[09:35:27]

justinh:

don't you just love having to run mythtv-setup.real? heh

[09:35:35]

lapion:

then I just needed to set the playback from nouveau to anything else..

[09:35:53]

justinh:

yes. anything, even nothing.. is better than nouveau

[09:37:38]

lapion:

the setup on the slave freezes if I decide tho go away from next and change any of the settings, this only when using nvidia non-free

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jm|laptop:

jya: ping

[09:48:34]

jya:

jm|laptop: I'm here

[09:48:59]

jm|laptop:

jya: hello, quick privmsg please?

[09:49:09]

jya:

why priv?

[09:49:16]

** jm|laptop shrugs **

[09:49:25]

jm|laptop:

didn't know if it would interest channel

[09:50:25]

jya:

whatever… doesn't bother me either way

[09:50:27]

jm|laptop:

I've been 'testing' your patch for a few days and it seems to be working very well. I'd tell you about two occasions of 'stuttering' but I have zero debug and it could have been all sorts of unrelated latency so I won't. How is back-porting going?

[09:51:09]

jya:

it's been done pretty much at the same time I made the patch for master

[09:51:25]

jya:

I posted all the patches + track ticket on the user list

[09:51:47]

jm|laptop:

ah, I should look into that, then

[09:53:26]

jm|laptop:

10079?

[09:55:29]

jya:

yes

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jm|laptop:

thank you

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justinh:

lapion: anyway, you do realise that with mythbuntu control center you can easily set up the role of a mythtv system, right? I mean there's a simple to use menu thing that allows you to configure a master backend, slave backend...

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quicksilver:

I have a new TV, which is 16:9 where the old one was 4:3. I'm using analog TV out. The myth display now fails to fill the screen (not surprisingly). How to fix? Does S-video have any way of signalling or encoding aspect ratio? Is this a video card driver question?

[10:12:55]

ubie:

Good morning.

[10:13:05]

justinh:

quicksilver: no TV output driver I've ever seen allows a 16:9 aspect

[10:13:33]

ubie:

I am having a hard time getting mythtv up and running on my fedora 14 box.

[10:13:36]

ubie:

Can anyone help?

[10:13:37]

justinh:

quicksilver: no use even running X at a 16: 9 resolution either. it'll just get scaled to PAL 4:3 by the TV encoder

[10:13:38]

** sid3windr has run composite on widescreen tv... **

[10:13:40]

ubie:

Please?

[10:13:46]

quicksilver:

justinh: so ask the TV to stretch it instead?

[10:13:51]

justinh:

ubie: define 'hard time'

[10:14:11]

justinh:

quicksilver: you mean X isn't filling the screen?

[10:14:44]

quicksilver:

correct, it's not. The TV has all sorts of stretch options but I was just wondering if I should/could fix it from the myth frontend end of the cable.

[10:14:51]

ubie:

when running myth-setup, i get a noUpnP error message, followed by a 'cannot login' message. I did some googleing ang it seems to be an issue with my mysql database?

[10:14:54]

ubie:

:(

[10:15:09]

justinh:

ubie: don't worry about the noupnp message

[10:15:26]

justinh:

quicksilver: nvidia or intel?

[10:15:27]

ubie:

ok

[10:15:36]

quicksilver:

ATI.

[10:15:44]

justinh:

quicksilver: nvidia or intel?

[10:15:48]

justinh:

;-)

[10:16:36]

justinh:

quicksilver: I hear ATI's closed driver blob can allow pretty accurate screen filling tweaks. if your hardware is (still) supported

[10:17:03]

quicksilver:

theoretically how does S-video convey this information?

[10:17:15]

quicksilver:

presumably there must be some trick used by widescreen VHS tapes?

[10:17:22]

justinh:

quicksilver: VBI data

[10:17:32]

justinh:

the WSS signalling flag.

[10:17:43]

justinh:

likely not supported by your TV out

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** quicksilver nods **

[10:17:58]

justinh:

or rather, it will be in a way, but the driver can't set it

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ubie:

justinh, does this error message give any clues as to what my problem might be: 2011-10–10 06:16:33.721 Writing settings file /home/eth3r/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[10:18:01]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.722 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'

[10:18:01]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.738 Testing network connectivity to '192.168.1.10'

[10:18:01]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.846 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'

[10:18:01]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.856 Unable to connect to database!

[10:18:01]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.856 Driver error was [1/1130]:

[10:18:02]

ubie:

QMYSQL: Unable to connect

[10:18:02]

ubie:

Database error was:

[10:18:03]

ubie:

Host 'hda.home.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

[10:18:03]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.856 Cannot login to database?

[10:18:04]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.857 Cannot login to database?

[10:18:04]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.915 get_ip: Name or service not known

[10:18:05]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.915 LIRC, Error: Failed to parse IP address ''

[10:18:05]

ubie:

2011-10–10 06:16:33.916 JoystickMenuThread: Joystick disabled – Failed to read /home/eth3r/.mythtv/joystickmenurc

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justinh:

ubie: do not paste to the channel

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quicksilver:

justinh: so, if I can get the TV to do some sensible stretch option that might be the simplest solution. And then tweak myth's software aspect ration control until it looks right?

[10:18:40]

justinh:

ubie: but your problem is explained by the error "Host 'hda.home.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"

[10:19:00]

justinh:

quicksilver: no, pretty sure the ATI driver has a means of tweaking the output

[10:19:17]

quicksilver:

OK, thanks

[10:19:19]

justinh:

quicksilver: IIRC it's better than nvidia's ever was in that you get an X & a Y slider

[10:19:25]

ubie:

i tried googling that, and followed some of the solutions i found online, but none of them seemd to work.

[10:19:26]

justinh:

and offset controls

[10:19:31]

ubie:

can you point me in the right direcvtion?

[10:19:34]

justinh:

ubie: it's a database permissions issue

[10:19:41]

ubie:

how do I fix that?

[10:19:57]

justinh:

though why you've set mythtv up that way I'll never fathom. hostnames? pfft

[10:20:10]

justinh:

oh yeah, the setup thing still says hostNAME

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ubie:

all i did was run sudo yum install myth-tv

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ubie:

that was it

[10:20:40]

ubie:

i think i had mysql already installed befoere installling mythtv

[10:20:58]

ubie:

if that makes a difference?

[10:21:06]

justinh:

shouldn't

[10:21:36]

ubie:

so what exactly wwas that comment supposed to mean by my havig set up mythtv that way pfffft

[10:21:46]

ubie:

I really didnt do anything

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ubie:

lol

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justinh:

ubie: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[10:22:05]

justinh:

you didn't really do anything?

[10:22:13]

justinh:

you MUST have done something

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ubie:

lol yeah, other than run the install command for installing mythtv in a termina;

[10:22:39]

ubie:

i really didnt

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justinh:

unless you're being silly & have just installed mythtv, then ran 'mythtv' from a terminal

[10:22:50]

ubie:

well

[10:22:53]

ubie:

i am kinda silly sometimes

[10:22:55]

justinh:

so you didn't run mythtv-setup – and you've not read any of the docs?

[10:23:07]

ubie:

i did run mythtv-setup

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ubie:

and thats where i ran into this 'cannot login' error

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justinh:

yes. it's a database privileges issue

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justinh:

basically mysql is saying it's not letting anything from hda.home.com in

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ubie:

is it fixable?

[10:25:36]

justinh:

yes

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justinh:

read the link

[10:26:13]

justinh:

though if I were you I wouldn't have used hostnames in mythtv-setup

[10:26:23]

justinh:

I know it *says* to use hostnames but...

[10:27:11]

justinh:

oh, but if you were planning to use DHCP without MAC-based address allocation er...

[10:28:17]

ubie:

Ive read the link you sent. thanks for that, btw. but I am still confused. :(

[10:28:33]

ubie:

and i dont remember setting up hostnames for mythtv-setup

[10:28:50]

ubie:

as i said, all i did was install mythtv thru console, then run mythtv-setup and ran into the cannot login error

[10:28:54]

ubie:

thats as far as I got

[10:29:04]

ubie:

ive spent a few hours searchingf and trying to figure it out

[10:29:09]

ubie:

but i am failing

[10:29:10]

ubie:

miserably

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justinh:

well, try this. in a termninal try to log in to your mysql server

[10:29:50]

justinh:

*terminal, even

[10:30:10]

ubie:

:)

[10:30:12]

ubie:

OK...

[10:33:46]

ubie:

sorry...I thought you were gonna give me a commands to type into the terminal?

[10:33:47]

ubie:

lol

[10:34:07]

justinh:

well *I* don't know what your mysql credentials are!

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hashbang:

'ello, all

[10:34:29]

justinh:

ello. monday monday

[10:34:41]

ubie:

how do I log in to mysql server

[10:34:57]

justinh:

the 'mysql' command

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justinh:

funnily enough

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ubie:

doh!

[10:35:28]

justinh:

mysql -u $USER

[10:35:43]

justinh:

or mysql -u $USER -p$PASSWORD $DATABASE

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ubie:

i did the former, and got to the mysql> prompt

[10:37:17]

justinh:

so does the 'mythconverg' database exist? I dunno what the FC mythtv packages do for you

[10:37:52]

justinh:

some distro packages of mythtv take all the drudgery out of setting up (or not) and set up the database stuff on your behalf

[10:37:53]

ubie:

how do I check whetheror not it exists?

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justinh:

show databases;

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justinh:

when you're logged into your mysql server

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ubie:

ok wait...can we retract? when I type this into a terminal: mysql -u $USER

[10:39:20]

ubie:

am i replacing $USER with my username?

[10:39:31]

ubie:

i typed it in exactly as you typed it

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ubie:

and i got to the mysql> prompt

[10:39:47]

ubie:

but it didnt ask me to login or anyting

[10:40:04]

ubie:

are we on the same page? or am I doing it wrong/

[10:40:24]

justinh:

let's get one thing straight. Linux system users are NOT mysql users

[10:40:40]

justinh:

so it seems your mysql server has no root password. heh

[10:40:40]

ubie:

ok, I learned something new.

[10:40:43]

ubie:

thanks for that

[10:40:50]

ubie:

heh?

[10:40:54]

ubie:

lol

[10:40:57]

ubie:

is that bad?

[10:41:02]

ubie:

should it have a root password?

[10:41:03]

justinh:

oh no.. it has a user.. $you

[10:41:15]

ubie:

?

[10:41:24]

justinh:

when you try to log in without providing a username it tries YOUR username

[10:41:33]

ubie:

oh ok

[10:41:35]

justinh:

but unless you've set one up, there won't be a one

[10:41:52]

sid3windr:

$USER -is- your username ;)

[10:41:54]

justinh:

and yes, you should have a password set for the mysql root account

[10:42:23]

justinh:

I'm bored now. why do people want to use fedora anyway?

[10:42:55]

ubie:

because im using it for the amahi home server im running

[10:42:59]

ubie:

sorry to bore you.

[10:43:37]

ubie:

https://www.amahi.org/

[10:43:47]

ubie:

thats why I chose to run fedora

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justinh:

well, if I had a penny for every user who'd ever come in here with "could not log into database" problems I'd be a millionaire

[10:44:23]

justinh:

and out of those, if even 20% had ever read any of the setup instructions...

[10:44:38]

ubie:

so I assume youve become quote efficient at helping people resolves this issue then?

[10:44:53]

justinh:

no. I've become sick of them

[10:44:57]

ubie:

i read the setup instructions

[10:45:00]

ubie:

:(

[10:45:39]

ubie:

fedora and amahi makes things a little complicated sometimes

[10:45:44]

ubie:

I guess?

[10:45:59]

justinh:

you could fix your mysql permissions. that would be one way around this

[10:46:10]

justinh:

but I suppose you don't even know your root mysql password

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ubie:

i thought you said I dont have one?

[10:46:42]

justinh:

I was mistaken. the mysql user in your linux username doesn't have one

[10:47:00]

justinh:

which is also a bit of a mistake IMHO, especially if your box is connected to the internet

[10:47:21]

hashbang:

justinh: I use Fedora 'cos I started using RH in 1995. :-)

[10:47:31]

ubie:

please help me fix it?

[10:47:31]

justinh:

I dunno if there's a simple command you can use to reconfigure mysql on fedora

[10:47:41]

ubie:

ive searched google and read the wikis and howtos

[10:47:42]

justinh:

on *buntu you could do sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql

[10:47:54]

ubie:

yeah ive come across that suggestion

[10:47:54]

justinh:

did you install mysql?

[10:47:59]

ubie:

but it doesnt apply to fedora

[10:48:05]

ubie:

or the command doesnt work anyway

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justinh:

if you did, at some point it probably asked you to set a root password for it

[10:48:27]

ubie:

no i never installed mysql, i think it came as part of the amahi home server im running

[10:48:32]

ubie:

all i did was install mythtv

[10:48:36]

justinh:

because by default only the root mysql user can add other users & databases

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hashbang:

ubie: I imagine amahi configured it to its liking

[10:49:07]

justinh:

so you need to find out what the root mysql password is, or just pile on ahead & reset it to one of your liking anyway

[10:49:12]

hashbang:

ubie: good luck running both MythTV and Amahi on the same system unless you know what you're doing, and, more importantly, what the setup scripts of each are doing.

[10:49:16]

justinh:

if there even IS a root password

[10:49:18]

justinh:

try mysql -u root

[10:49:38]

ubie:

thanks, hash...are you an amahi user also?

[10:49:46]

hashbang:

ubie: nope, I have no need of it.

[10:50:02]

justinh:

most people with a clue probably have no need of it

[10:50:11]

hashbang:

ubie: I use Google's services for things like calendar, and run my own postfix/dovecot mail server

[10:50:11]

justinh:

it's not hard to set up web apps & media shares

[10:50:11]

ubie:

:(

[10:50:28]

ubie:

hey, we all started somewhere.

[10:50:39]

ubie:

i learned a lot from sinattling and running amahi

[10:50:45]

ubie:

installing*

[10:51:12]

ubie:

no, need to be a douche about it, Justin.

[10:51:23]

ubie:

no one is born knowing everything

[10:51:55]

justinh:

no need to call anybody a douche. unless you want to be ignored

[10:52:32]

ubie:

just the same, there is no need to be condescending to people just because they are not as well versed in a given subject as you are.

[10:52:43]

ubie:

les ye risk being called a douche

[10:53:34]

justinh:

so. can you find out the root mysql password or not? I suspect amahi have some doc or other where it's mentioned

[10:53:47]

justinh:

otherwise you'll have to search the internet for "reset mysql root password"

[10:54:15]

ubie:

it seems i do have a root pw setup, cause when I issued this command: mysql -u root

[10:54:25]

ubie:

I got: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[10:54:33]

ubie:

or maybe not?

[10:54:34]

ubie:

lol

[10:54:40]

ubie:

I dont friggin know anymore

[10:54:42]

ubie:

i am so confused

[10:54:58]

justinh:

so it seems there IS a password. and you don't (yet) know what it is

[10:56:19]

justinh:

maybe they have a webpage you can do mysql admin with

[10:56:45]

justinh:

ugh. apparently the default root mysql password is 'hda'

[10:57:02]

ubie:

lol

[10:57:04]

justinh:

a 3-letter password. as default

[10:57:05]

ubie:

howd you figure?

[10:57:11]

ubie:

btw, hashbang, if youve never used amahi before, how come you seem to think that getting mythtv working alongside amahi is a difficult task (other than the obviosuness of my stuggling)

[10:57:11]

justinh:

I can search the internets

[10:57:16]

ubie:

lmao

[10:57:17]

ubie:

lol

[10:57:31]

ubie:

well, im glad for that skill you have there, buddy! :)

[10:57:38]

justinh:

"amahi default root mysql password"

[10:57:43]

justinh:

I am indeed teh awesome

[10:58:40]

justinh:

heh apparently amahi has phpmyadmin. who'da thunk it

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ubie:

im glad you know it!

[10:58:51]

ubie:

is that a good thing?

[10:58:55]

ubie:

lol

[10:59:11]

justinh:

I dunno, You're the guy running amahi because it makes all this so easy. lol

[10:59:13]

ubie:

you seem impressed by that?

[10:59:20]

ubie:

lol

[10:59:35]

justinh:

it's a web-based control panel, not really known for its security features

[10:59:46]

ubie:

it was pretty easy though

[10:59:51]

ubie:

getting amahi up and running, i mean

[11:00:22]

justinh:

there isn't much you can do with linux these days that is hard to set up

[11:00:27]

hashbang:

ubie: if it sets up MySQL automagically, it may set things that conflict with MythTV's desired usage of MySQL, or their various setup scripts may make assumptions that overwrite the changes made by the other's setup scripts. Also, IO intensive stuff may conflict with MythTV when it comes to glitch-free recording/playback.

[11:00:56]

ubie:

ok, so now that we know what my mysql password is potentially, what can we do with this to fix my connot login erro im getting with mythtv?

[11:01:13]

justinh:

ubie: remember that link I posted oooo about like an hour ago?

[11:01:13]

ubie:

ohhh wow

[11:01:23]

ubie:

uhh

[11:01:25]

ubie:

yeah

[11:01:27]

ubie:

lol

[11:02:20]

ubie:

same one I said I didnt understand?

[11:02:21]

justinh:

though you need to make sure the mythconverg database exists

[11:02:33]

justinh:

so log into mysql as root. Now

[11:02:39]

justinh:

then do show databases;

[11:03:06]

justinh:

if mythconverg exists, then you're ok to move onto granting permissions

[11:03:08]

ubie:

how do I log in as root as opposed to $USER?

[11:03:13]

justinh:

mysql -u root

[11:03:18]

justinh:

mysql -u root -pTHEPASSWORD

[11:03:20]

ubie:

sorry

[11:03:22]

ubie:

im dumb

[11:04:22]

ubie:

yayyyy\

[11:04:25]

ubie:

progress!

[11:04:29]

ubie:

may I paste?

[11:04:40]

justinh:

no

[11:04:48]

justinh:

you may never paste log contents into the channel

[11:04:55]

ubie:

got it.

[11:05:07]

justinh:

any more than 2 or 3 lines must go into a pastebin.com, then post the URL of the pasting here

[11:06:01]

ubie:

http://pastebin.com/8ti34T52

[11:06:03]

ubie:

whoa!

[11:06:10]

ubie:

ive never used pastebin before!

[11:06:13]

ubie:

aweeeesome!

[11:06:17]

ubie:

thanks, man!

[11:06:26]

ubie:

Im learning! yayyy

[11:06:28]

ubie:

so excite

[11:06:54]

justinh:

right. so there's no mythconverg database, which would cause you untold problems

[11:06:59]

ubie:

i dont seem to have a mythconverge thingy huh?

[11:07:04]

ubie:

lol

[11:07:11]

ubie:

i see.

[11:07:19]

justinh:

you need to find the file called mc.sql which may be hanging around somewhere in /usr/share on a fedora box

[11:07:56]

ubie:

searching...

[11:07:56]

justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_ . . . #Setup_MySQL

[11:08:06]

justinh:

PFFT. all this time there's been a wiki article about this

[11:08:46]

justinh:

you should really make a new mysql user called 'mythtv' too – and give it a password

[11:09:13]

ubie:

funyy thing is i read that wiki page HOURSSSS before i stumbled in ehre to bother you!

[11:09:24]

ubie:

but i had no idea about the hda mysql password thing!

[11:09:26]

ubie:

ugh!

[11:09:27]

ubie:

lol

[11:09:31]

ubie:

thanks, man!

[11:09:32]

ubie:

:)

[11:09:41]

justinh:

that wiki page doesn't say how to create a mysql user

[11:09:43]

hashbang:

ubie: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fc6myth.php also useful, but about 3 years old now, so take it with a pinch of salt

[11:09:45]

ubie:

why do you suggest I make a new mysql user?

[11:10:05]

justinh:

ubie: so mythtv has its own mysql user, only permitted to use the mythconverg database

[11:10:09]

hashbang:

ubie: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Cowbutt might have some useful stuff for you

[11:10:22]

justinh:

since amahi seems to need mysql for other stuff & there are already other databases

[11:10:25]

ubie:

LOL@Cowbutt

[11:10:43]

ubie:

that seems like the smart thing to do, Justin.

[11:10:51]

justinh:

anyway, get yourself to the stage where you have a mysql mythtv user, and the mythconverg database

[11:11:17]

justinh:

then you'll be ready to run mythtv-setup

[11:12:17]

ubie:

ok, justin, i found that mc.sql file

[11:12:39]

ubie:

its in /usr/share/

[11:12:48]

ubie:

just like you said

[11:12:50]

ubie:

:)

[11:12:58]

ubie:

should I move it somehwere?

[11:13:14]

ubie:

nevermind, im reading, imreading!

[11:13:51]

ubie:

wait...so should I create a new user first or create the mythconverge database first?

[11:14:51]

ubie:

ok nevermind to that one too

[11:18:22]

ubie:

I should change my root password, huh? or do you think it would conflict with some of amahi's services?

[11:18:53]

ubie:

the mysql root password, I mean/

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hashbang:

ubie: you'll probably have to trawl through amahi's config (and possibly code) to see if it currently assumes a blank root password or not.

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hashbang:

ubie: this is why I don't like this pseudo-appliance apps; they only work for naïve cases, and you end up having to go under the covers to do anything more than basic stuff.

[11:28:04]

ubie:

I see what you mean.

[11:29:26]

ubie:

Maybe one day ill be fluent enough in linux to not need these pseudo-appliance apps, as you call them, but right now, they are pretty useful for n00bs like myself.

[11:32:50]

ubie:

justin, can I IM you?

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justinh:

no /msging me. anything you can say to me should be said in channel

[11:46:24]

ubie:

ok, so I created a mythtv user and a mythconverg database in mysql, but still getting the 'cannot login' error in mythtv-setup

[11:46:46]

justinh:

ubie: that will be because of the permissions issue

[11:47:05]

ubie:

?

[11:47:29]

justinh:

hashbang, ubie from what I've been able to gather from basic google searches amahi has its mysql stuff hard-coded

[11:47:48]

justinh:

actually not *hard* coded but set in text config files

[11:48:24]

justinh:

ubie: the permissions issue.. which you had before – and has not yet been addressed

[11:48:35]

ubie:

even after creating a mythtv user and the mythconverg database, whenever i run mythtv-setup in terminal, I get this: Database error was:

[11:48:36]

ubie:

Host 'hda.home.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

[11:48:43]

justinh:

yup

[11:48:48]

ubie:

what the crap!

[11:48:49]

ubie:

grrrr

[11:49:01]

ubie:

how do I see which users are allowed in my mysql?

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justinh:

not sure you can

[11:49:54]

ubie:

u can

[11:49:55]

ubie:

grep mythtv: /etc/group

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justinh:

no no no

[11:50:11]

ubie:

lol

[11:50:13]

justinh:

mysql users are NOT linux users :)

[11:50:16]

ubie:

i just realize that

[11:50:22]

ubie:

again

[11:50:23]

ubie:

lol

[11:50:55]

justinh:

I'm just wondering why mythtv-setup thinks the host is that, not localhost

[11:51:09]

justinh:

which user are you logged in as btw?

[11:52:04]

ubie:

im not logged in as hda.home.com, thats for sure!

[11:52:05]

ubie:

lol

[11:52:26]

ubie:

you mean which user am i logged in in fedora or mysql?

[11:52:34]

justinh:

in fedora

[11:53:04]

ubie:

slimpc

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justinh:

er.. this isn't an actual slimpc is it?

[11:53:36]

justinh:

because that really wouldn't be a very good idea. To run mythtv on such a machine

[11:53:49]

ubie:

not exactly...although it is a pc and the case is slim

[11:53:50]

ubie:

lol

[11:54:21]

ubie:

its an amd 4050e

[11:54:27]

ubie:

cpu^

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justinh:

ah not so bad then :-)

[11:54:38]

ubie:

i think thats good enough, right?

[11:54:41]

ubie:

ok

[11:54:44]

ubie:

lol

[11:56:08]

ubie:

is there a config for myth in which I can explicitly tell it my user or localhost or whatever instead of using hda.home.com

[11:56:28]

justinh:

see I could tell you how to set permissions on the mythconverg database to allow anything on @.home.com but I'm not sure that's a good idea

[11:56:45]

justinh:

not when your root mysql password is only 3 letters

[11:56:51]

justinh:

not when the box is connected to the internet

[11:57:18]

justinh:

is this thing your firewall/router too btw? If so, it definitely isn't a good idea to run mythtv or mysql on it

[11:57:54]

ubie:

my netgear router is my firewall, but i do use this amahi box as a dhcp server

[11:58:12]

ubie:

youre scaring me?

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ubie:

:(

[11:59:48]

justinh:

dhcp serving is fine

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justinh:

it's just that mythtv isn't designed to be internet facing. no security

[12:01:53]

justinh:

so I guess that when you run the 'hostname' command in a terminal it tells you hda.home.com yes?

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justinh:

ah. I think I know why it's not saying localhost. in my /etc/hosts file 127.0.0.1 is localhost and it's 'roger'

[12:03:33]

justinh:

meh

[12:05:28]

justinh:

in theory, you'll probably be ok with that root mysql password. IN THEORY

[12:06:16]

justinh:

so long as you don't let the internet onto your server in crucial ways.. like open the mysql port.. and don't allow phpmyadmin to be accessed from outside

[12:08:59]

justinh:

so. to fix the mysql permissions issue.. you could probably (as mysql root) do this:

[12:09:39]

justinh:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.home.com" identified by "mythtv";

[12:11:17]

justinh:

anyway, do you plan to use mythtv as a tv recording thing? all in one box, or with 'remote' frontends for playback throughout your home network?

[12:11:50]

justinh:

because all I ever say to people not planning to use the TV features of mythtv is this: use something else

[12:11:52]

ubie:

id like to use it to record tv once in awhile

[12:11:59]

ubie:

and stream to a frontend on my local network

[12:12:19]

justinh:

right. in that case then you need to change the grant command to reflect that

[12:12:23]

ubie:

yeah, i def wanna use the tv feature

[12:12:39]

justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[12:12:53]

justinh:

see the section "Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems"

[12:13:23]

justinh:

the command " mysql -u root mythconverg" gets you logged into mysql as the mysql root user, and the mythconverg part tells it to use the mythconverg database

[12:14:46]

ubie:

what does the '%' in .hom.hda mean?

[12:14:56]

ubie:

(08:09:39 AM) justinh: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.home.com" identified by "mythtv";

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justinh:

it's a wildcard

[12:15:31]

justinh:

IMHO it's easier to limit access by IP address

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justinh:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv"; says to allow any 192.168.1.X address to use the mythconverg database

[12:15:57]

wagnerrp:

justinh: do you recall where the playback profiles are in 0.24?

[12:16:17]

justinh:

wagnerrp: I don't. never had to go in there. I suspect utils/setup > setup > tv > playback

[12:16:26]

ubie:

i think that second option u gave me a bit more secure too, right/

[12:16:28]

justinh:

wagnerrp: I'll check for you

[12:17:16]

justinh:

is the 'identified by "mythtv"' part the mysql mythtv password.. or? I've never quite understood that

[12:17:36]

ubie:

yeah, its the password

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wagnerrp:

yes, in that case 'mythtv' is the password

[12:17:51]

wagnerrp:

you can leave it blank for no password

[12:18:11]

ubie:

how do i commit changes again?

[12:18:14]

ubie:

flush ....?

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justinh:

if the root mysql password is only 3 letters.. you might as well have blank passwords elsewhere

[12:18:32]

justinh:

the page I posted the link to tells you

[12:18:36]

ubie:

blank password elsewhere?

[12:18:56]

justinh:

ubie: I'm saying you might as well have NO PASSWORD if the mysql root password is so weak

[12:19:23]

justinh:

WTH they're doing shipping a distro with a password so weak I'll never know

[12:20:14]

ubie:

ok, im actually able to run the mythtv setup now, but it says: warning: mythtv wants to upgrade your databse for tv schema from 1224 to 1264

[12:20:17]

justinh:

ok in theory you'll be okay since you'd have to be fairly unlucky for anybody to stumble upon the server, and have enough time to brute-force the password.. for what gain? but still.. it's just not considered good practise

[12:20:33]

justinh:

ubie: warnings are just warnings. not errors.

[12:20:44]

ubie:

should I let it upgrade?

[12:20:50]

wagnerrp:

you must

[12:21:02]

wagnerrp:

it wont operate until you do

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ubie:

ok, i just dont understand what it means?

[12:21:17]

wagnerrp:

database schema?

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justinh:

maybe it'd be better not to have it say anything then :P

[12:21:36]

wagnerrp:

the database schema is the current structure the database exists in

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ubie:

got it

[12:21:45]

ubie:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

1224 is an old schema, like 0.22 or something

[12:21:54]

wagnerrp:

1264 is the current schema in 0.24

[12:22:00]

justinh:

like once I was trying to configure apache on my old gentoo box & it complained there wasn't enough entropy. I thought "WTF is entropy?"

[12:22:07]

wagnerrp:

you must update it to what 0.24 wants before you can use 0.24

[12:22:33]

wagnerrp:

justinh: on freebsd, it just tells you to mash on the keyboard for a few minutes

[12:22:33]

ubie:

thanks, wagnerrp.

[12:22:35]

justinh:

wagnerrp: btw playback profiles are where I said. utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback.

[12:22:44]

wagnerrp:

ah, thanks

[12:22:53]

justinh:

wagnerrp: haha well that's one way I suppose

[12:23:00]

wagnerrp:

i can never remember where that is, and its been moved in 0.25

[12:23:10]

ubie:

justin, so my three letter mysql root pw leaves me vulnerable to local network attacks or does it make me more prone to attacks from the inetrnet?

[12:23:14]

ubie:

im a lil confuse don that

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wagnerrp:

ubie: is your mysql server exposed to the internet?

[12:23:33]

ubie:

i dont know?

[12:23:34]

ubie:

lol

[12:23:44]

ubie:

how do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

well thats a disconcerting answer

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justinh:

just your local network – but not if root mysql logins are allowed on anything but localhost

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justinh:

if the machine running mysql is behind a router/firewall, even just a NAT one.. you're pretty much OK

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wagnerrp:

is your backend connected directly to the internet? or through another machine? or router?

[12:24:22]

justinh:

I say pretty much because that's all it is

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justinh:

the most determined could get past that.. or anything really..

[12:24:36]

ubie:

my mythtvbackend is connected to a netgear router

[12:24:47]

ubie:

butmy myth box is also running amahi server

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wagnerrp:

and the router is providing NAT services?

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justinh:

and so long as you don't open the mysql ports to the internet..

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justinh:

or the mythtv ports... 6543 & 6544... eek

[12:25:18]

ubie:

wag, i think i am behind a nat firewall, yes.

[12:25:30]

ubie:

if thats what netgear routers use, anyway

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ubie:

lol

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wagnerrp:

NAT is not a firewall

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justinh:

ubie: by default no *sane* mysql setup would allow root mysql logins from other machines

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wagnerrp:

although it serves the same effect

[12:25:57]

ubie:

good to know guys.

[12:26:07]

ubie:

my head is spinning right now from leaning so much so fast

[12:26:08]

ubie:

lol

[12:26:12]

ubie:

learning*

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justinh:

also by default no mysql user other than root has privileges enough to do anything admin-wise

[12:26:27]

ubie:

should I disable root mysql user?

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justinh:

no

[12:26:32]

ubie:

is that even possibe?

[12:26:33]

ubie:

lol

[12:26:34]

ubie:

ok

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wagnerrp:

sure its possible

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justinh:

just leave it the way it is. if you can try logging into it from another machine on the network (mysql -u root -h HOSTNAME/IP) to verify... that might put your mind at rest

[12:27:18]

wagnerrp:

you can simply remove the root user, and no longer have ANY administrative access to mysql

[12:27:35]

ubie:

justin, given my current setup with amahi and my myth backend runnong on the same box, is there anything else i can do to make my system and network a little more secure?

[12:27:37]

wagnerrp:

of course then you have to go into some low level edit mode to correct that and add back the root user before you can do much of anything

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justinh:

ubie: it's not really that insecure

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wagnerrp:

do you have any ports forwarded through that NAT router?

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justinh:

so long as you don't fwd phpmyadmin, mysql or mythtv ports you should be ok

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ubie:

i have an openvpn port being forwarded

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ubie:

thats about it

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justinh:

so you'll likely be ok then :)

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wagnerrp:

then the only risk to your network is if openvpn gets broken

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ubie:

openvpn is pretty stable though, right?

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justinh:

it's not about it being stable

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ubie:

btw, i finally got the mythtv-setup to finish!

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ubie:

yayyyyy!

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justinh:

it's about users doing daft things like using insecure keys & leaving passwords lying around

[12:35:46]

ubie:

thanks for all the help, justin!

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ubie:

you are appreciated

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justinh:

so you've got a tuner configured, channels, EPG grabbing & storage set up?

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justinh:

that was quick!

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ubie:

and you as well, wagnerrp and hash. ;)

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ubie:

havent set up epg yet

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justinh:

mythtv without program guide data is like... a car without wheels

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ubie:

agreed. i just wanna make sure everything is working first before i go ahead and set all that up

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ubie:

how do i start the backend?

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justinh:

how do you start any service on fedora?

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ubie:

it says unrecognized service?

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ubie:

oh crap

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ubie:

lol

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wagnerrp:

hash?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: you rang?

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wagnerrp:

i rang?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: at 00:42:46...

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wagnerrp:

i recall you saying one of the other linuxtv devs complaining about problems running usb tuners in virtual machines

[12:39:12]

wagnerrp:

but youve already replied as such to the mailing list

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah.

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devinheitmueller:

It's one of those things that varies based on the quality of the VM implementation. Works sometimes for some people, but I definitely wouldn't rely on it for production use.

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wagnerrp:

but... his USB passthrough implementation can provide latencies around 0.3 milliseconds, surely thats a tiny value compared to the 10 microseconds USB is expecting

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devinheitmueller:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

Most people would argue that "their USB hard drive can do 10 MB/s with no problem" as a defense, but in reality hard drives have the ability to "retry" if data is lost. Tuners do not.

[12:42:04]

justinh:

there just aren't enough cluebats in the world to convince people who want to run mythtv in a VM they're daft

[12:42:41]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, the clue bat: an ever useful tool. :-)

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justinh:

ubie: maybe a recent-ish fedora howto would help. but that isn't taking into account kinks amahi might have put in the way

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wagnerrp:

isnt amahi a version of rendezvous?

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wagnerrp:

i dont really know what that has anything to do with mythtv

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justinh:

because AFAIK they make a custom packaged jobby. they might've messed with all sorts

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justinh:

or is it just basically fedora with stuff preconfigured out of the box?

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justinh:

I see they have an 'app store' though.. for 'one click installs'. shudder

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ubie:

its basically a fedora distro with stuff precnfigured, like you said.

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justinh:

so you've not used their 'mythtv' app thingy then

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justinh:

which is apparently only available to 'testers'

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ubie:

no, that is in beta

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ubie:

yah

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ubie:

i cant seem to connect to my mythtv backend via the frontend on the same machine

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ubie:

should i be forewarding ports or something?

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justinh:

the backend likely isn't running

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justinh:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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justinh:

it may have stopped running because it wasn't set up correctly

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ubie:

slimpc 7079 6620 0 08:52 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto mythbackend

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ubie:

?

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justinh:

e.g. because it didn't have permission to write to the storage group(s)

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justinh:

or to use the tv tuner(s)

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justinh:

or any number of things

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justinh:

check the backend log

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justinh:

tip – logs generally live somewhere in /var/log

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ubie:

http://pastebin.com/41pmpxXS

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ubie:

ughhh

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justinh:

I thought you'd done all of mythtv-setup in a hurry

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justinh:

no channels

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ubie:

urrrrgggg

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justinh:

no input connections defined

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justinh:

you can't rush this stuff

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ubie:

but that doesnt explain why i cant even connect to the backend though, does it?

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justinh:

yes

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ubie:

oh

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ubie:

lol

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justinh:

the backend won't run because you missed vital steps in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

no channels. no input connection(s)

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ubie:

whats input connection?

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ubie:

i set up my capture card

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justinh:

like item 6 in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

oops. option 4

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justinh:

when you count to 6 do you go "1 2 3 6 FINISHED!" ? LOL

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wagnerrp:

woman sues FilmDistrict for advertising the movie "Drive", that really didnt have any significant amount of driving besides that shown in the trailer

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justinh:

lol

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TheAsp:

haha

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justinh:

so if she wins can I sue everybody who says "the movie of the year", when in my opinion it was a bit derivative & inferior to others out at the same time?

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ubie:

if im using a firewire cable box as capture card, should i set the connection type in mythtv-setup as point to pointor broadcast?

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TheAsp:

ubie: depends on the box

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TheAsp:

ubie: my old box worked on broadcast only, new one works on point to point only

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TheAsp:

life sucks, and then you get cable

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ubie:

its a scientifc ataland 4250hd

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ubie:

scientific atlanta*

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justinh:

ah if you use firewire there'll be no scanning for you. go straight to SchedulesDirect :-P

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wagnerrp:

ubie: optonline... meaning youre north east US?

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ubie:

good catch, wag!

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ubie:

:)

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wagnerrp:

dont bother with firewire

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ubie:

?

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TheAsp:

he wants you to spend more money

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TheAsp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

look online for how to put your cable box into diagnostic mode

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wagnerrp:

figure out what channels are marked copy freely

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ubie:

why?

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justinh:

firewire has been shown to be more trouble than it's worth

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ubie:

sorry, im new to all this

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wagnerrp:

if everything (or at least most of what) you want to record is marked copy freely

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justinh:

i.e. not getting users everything they pay for

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wagnerrp:

then get a cablecard tuner, and a cablecard rental

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ubie:

if not...?

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wagnerrp:

if you can record something over firewire, then you can record it from a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

(although that is not reciprocal)

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** TheAsp hugs his firewire **

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wagnerrp:

basically, if theyre not marked copy freely, you have no chance of recording over firewire anyway

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wagnerrp:

so theres no loss

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TheAsp:

don't listen firewire, wagnerrp is just being mean

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TheAsp:

:P

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ubie:

i remember being able to record just abou everything via firewire when i used this box and mythbunutu a year or so ago

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justinh:

s/mean/honest

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wagnerrp:

TheAsp: youre just mad because youre a canuck without mandated cablecard support...

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justinh:

so maybe not quite 'so new to all this' then :D

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wagnerrp:

:)

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TheAsp:

wagnerrp: yeah, but i have working mpeg4 ;)

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ubie:

well, quite new to fedora and the amahi setup ive got going on right now anyway

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wagnerrp:

ubie: anything you can record over firewire can be recorded using a cablecard tuner

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ubie:

but thats extra doe i gotta dish out to rent a cablecard

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wagnerrp:

and while youre looking at an upfront cost of $130 for a dual tuner DCR-2650, or $250 for a triple tuner HDHR Prime

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TheAsp:

wow, those are cheap ;)

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wagnerrp:

youre getting a $2–3/mo cablecard rental, rather than a $10/mo cable box rental

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wagnerrp:

and since theyre dual and triple tuners

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wagnerrp:

youre actually skipping out on two or three $10/mo box rentals

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justinh:

anyway how is it exactly that the US ended up with quite a sane deal?

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ubie:

wait...so i dont have to rent a cablecard?

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justinh:

in the best of europe, we'd need a tuner & CI/CAM per channel we want to record, pretty much

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ubie:

i can just buy one?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: the FCC threatened to abandon cablecard for something that actually works, in the process making the cable companies pay for all new hardware

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ubie:

im confused?

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wagnerrp:

ubie: you do need to rent a cablecard, but that one cablecard works for several tuners on a single device

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TheAsp:

ubie: it's american stuff, it's always confusing

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wagnerrp:

and that cablecard is significantly cheaper than a cable box

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ubie:

interesting

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justinh:

and in europe where you *can* buy a CAM to use in a CI slot, the provider can make you pay for each smartcard :-(

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ubie:

whats a CI slot?

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wagnerrp:

Common Interface

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johnf1911:

wagnerrp: I finally succeded to solve my problem, still need to automate it

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wagnerrp:

its like their version of cablecard

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ubie:

ahhh

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justinh:

irrelevant to you, ubie ;-)

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ubie:

got it

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ubie:

thanks

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ubie:

maybe. but still nice to know

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wagnerrp:

its a PCMCIA-looking slot that accepts a decryption card

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ubie:

:-P

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wagnerrp:

and that decryption card in turn takes a smart card

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ubie:

uhhhh

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wagnerrp:

the smart card holds the channels the user is allowed to access, and the codes to do so

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johnf1911:

but what I did was export the cutlist frame numbes, use HandBrakeCLI to transcode those sections, then, with mkvmerge I merged them into tracks in a single file

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ubie:

wtf?

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wagnerrp:

?

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johnf1911:

to get mkvmerge to append files, you need to use this form of the command

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johnf1911:

mkvmerge --append-mode track -o La\ Mauricie.mkv La\ Mauricie.1.mkv +La\ Mauricie.2.mkv +La\ Mauricie.3.mkv

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ubie:

ok im going back to tryingto get this shit towork now

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wagnerrp:

please watch the language in this channel

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ubie:

so for the SA4250 firewire box, should i use broadcast or point ot point as connection type?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used firewire

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johnf1911:

clearly this is in no way related to your discussion on CI

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TheAsp:

ubie: try one, if it doesnt work try the other

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ubie:

in mythtv-setup, #4, connection source, am i supposed to be able to change that connection source?

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ubie:

did that. neither seem to be helping/

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ubie:

lol

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TheAsp:

what doesnt work

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ubie:

i still cant connect to my backend via frontend runnong on the same machine

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johnf1911:

ubie: normally, I think you should use p2p mode

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johnf1911:

can you get anything out of it with firewire tester?

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ubie:

thanks, John. i think thats what worked for me last time when i tried it out briefly over a year or so ago/

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ubie:

not sure, havent tried firewire tester yet

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johnf1911:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#firewire_tester

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justinh:

sigh

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ubie:

but i know it worked and iw as recoring shows with this box and mythtv about a year ago

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johnf1911:

you sould probably follow that page, it's relatively decent

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ubie:

am i boring you again, Justin

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ubie:

?

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TheAsp:

ubie: what do you mean you cant connect to your backend???

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justinh:

I had to go back to windows on my work desktop. now I have.. erm.. I suddenly don't need to run the stuff I supposedly had to come back to windows for.. and now windows is being sucky. Like windows

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ubie:

well, when i run the frontend, it says unable to connect to backend or something

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justinh:

oh god

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TheAsp:

ubie: that isnt a fw issue

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justinh:

we've been through this

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justinh:

mythbackend isn't running because you didn't configure everything in mythtv-setup properly. that's why mythfrontend cannot connect to the backend

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johnf1911:

impressive, my firewire efforts were not too succesful :(

[13:17:13]

justinh:

you know, the plain English stuff in the log you pasted?

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johnf1911:

I'm heading out for a bit, good luck ubie

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johnf1911:

, justinh

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ubie:

thanks, john

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justinh:

darn those plain English error messages. it should say "ECODE:43578463278463782–10023947890.327823478.1"

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ubie:

ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs(): Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?

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justinh:

oh great. the terminal program crashed & now I have to reboot to get my COM port back

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ubie:

it looks like english

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ubie:

but it might as well be japanese

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justinh:

ubie: you skipped steps in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

what else do you expect?

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justinh:

mythtv needs at least one 'video source' – which you must assign to an input (or inputs) of a capture device

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ubie:

i cant seem to adjust the video source in #4

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ubie:

step #4 in mythtv-setup*

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justinh:

if you didn't set up a video source (containing channels) and associate that to a capture device input how do you expect mythfrontend to work?

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justinh:

because you've also skipped step 3?

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ubie:

lol no

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ubie:

i set 3 to the firewire box we were just talking about

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ubie:

oops

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ubie:

that was 2

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ubie:

3 is the schedules direct thing right

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ubie:

I have to srtup a EG before i can even connect to my master backend?

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ubie:

setup*

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TheAsp:

ubie: yes!

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justinh:

wonder which part of "you have to complete all the steps of mythtv-setup" was so hard to grasp

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TheAsp:

this channel has actually gotten friendlier in the last few years :)

[13:35:53]

justinh:

you bend over backwards to help people, but they just don't frickin listen

[13:36:11]

TheAsp:

yeah, i hear that

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justinh:

I've repeatedly said what the problem is for different things, and yet...

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hashbang:

justinh: TheAsp: eh?? what did you say?

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justinh:

a guy can only have so much patience

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TheAsp:

:P

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justinh:

when I duck out of a channel these days, take it as read I have steam coming out of my ears & I'm yelling obscenities at the top of my voice. that doesn't go down well in here these days

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justinh:

wonder if anybody ever answers 'yes' to installing the Bing/Yahoo/Whatever toolbar. Of the people who read the popups

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jams:

going to guess no

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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wagnerrp:

i found one of those on my parents computer a while back that i had to remove

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justinh:

yeah but people who read onscreen popups.. they're like anyone else who reads onscreen stuff. rare

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justinh:

install something.. hit return til the dialogs stop coming at ya

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justinh:

that btw is about the only way I found to make a mythbuntu install go wrong

[14:50:53]

** iamlindoro considers changing Arclight's mythtv-setup to include a textarea, in bold, reading "THESE ARE NUMBERED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THEM, IN ORDER, DUMMY" **

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justinh:

or make mythfilldatabase remove the filesystem the first time it's run, if myth hasn't been set up properly :D

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hashbang:

justinh: I think mythfilldatabase has a bug like that somewhere already; I chattr +i my channel listing as I've lost it more than once

[14:53:54]

justinh:

mind, I dunno how much difference shouting it at everybody is going to make

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justinh:

how can mythfilldatabase alter the .xmltv file?

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justinh:

shouldn't, unless you run tv_grab_uk_rt with --configure .. I think

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hashbang:

justinh: I never got to the bottom of it; just found the file gone one day

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sphery:

what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty... poor, unfairly-accused mythfilldatabase. :)

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wagnerrp:

hahahah

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wagnerrp:

netflix kills qwikster

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wagnerrp:

that was all of what... two weeks?

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sphery:

wow, fast!

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sphery:

are they changing it back to dvd + streaming or still separate plans?

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wagnerrp:

i think theyre just canceling their plans of splitting the dvd service into a separate site

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sphery:

so still split plans, though...

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wagnerrp:

probably

[15:09:14]

sphery:

hehe, cool

[15:09:49]

wagnerrp:

seems stallman has raised quite a stir, saying Job's removal from a position of influence (sadly through death) is a good thing

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why anyone finds that surprising

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justinh:

people who don't take regular baths shouldn't throw stones.. or something

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wagnerrp:

i mean, everything jobs did was completely counter to everything stallman stands for

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sphery:

I talked to a lot of people with netflix last week... They were very upset with the split. One had the DVD-only service because the shows he wanted weren't available for streaming. The rest had the streaming video. I got to watch a few episodes of The IT Crowd, again, via the streaming site, and was very dissatisfied with the quality. Was tearing very frequently, had skipped frames, and the player left lots to be desired (even ...

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sphery:

... refusing to stay full screen for a while).

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justinh:

it's the internet, therefore streaming video must always be in a small box

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sphery:

Yeah, I have to say that his death is a sad thing--as sad as any others' death--but the way he changed the world is /not/ completely for the better.

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justinh:

did he even change the world? really?

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sphery:

walled-garden/device manufacturers taking 30% off the top of all app sales/...

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sphery:

he definitely changed the IT world to use that model ^^^

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justinh:

he changed people

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sphery:

ok, he changed people to be accepting of that model

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justinh:

er people's approach to computing in a lot of ways

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and I don't like where it is headed

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wagnerrp:

he created the tablet/smartphone market as a closed architecture

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justinh:

but the world? meh

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sphery:

(let alone where it is)

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wagnerrp:

i mean sure, you had palm and blackberry before that

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wagnerrp:

but neither of them had more than niche markets

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sphery:

right, and they were (are) closed

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sphery:

but the app store /really/ closed things

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justinh:

wagnerrp: because they made awful stuff

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justinh:

clunky to use. nasty

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sphery:

now you can't sell software for a device without paying your i-device tax

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justinh:

if end users cared he'd have failed

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justinh:

they obviously don't

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sphery:

if you're not in the app store, you won't get sales... and if you're in the app store, but not at the top of the apple-provided recommendations, you won't get sales...

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sphery:

don't /yet/

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wagnerrp:

justinh: perhaps, but you could put whatever the hell you wanted on those things

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wagnerrp:

the only way you can get something onto an iphone is to put it on the app store

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sphery:

I have talked to a /lot/ of apple users who are considering switching to android because of the walled-garden approach

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justinh:

yeah I'm dying to put crashy software written by spotty geeks with no friends on my phone

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wagnerrp:

you cant install your own unlicensed apps without jailbraking the phone

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sphery:

even my parents--who never really got my approach to computing--are starting to see what I've been talking about for 14 years, now

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wagnerrp:

justinh: its not that you particularly want to, its that you /can/

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justinh:

that isn't necessarily a *bad* thing

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sphery:

(and with no input from me--I've been very supportive of their use of iphones)

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wagnerrp:

what if mythtv had to get run through some linux clearing house before it could be installed on linux systems?

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justinh:

then it probably wouldn't exist

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wagnerrp:

and therein lies the rub

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justinh:

jesus getting linux peope to agree on anything is like sanctioning holy war

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sphery:

I just can't wait until we have a Free and Open Source Software phone operating system... One day, my dream will come true.

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wagnerrp:

its not that you /have/ to operate in that manner

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notlistening:

I have tried to setup mythlink.pl on my secondary server on an end recording event but mythlink.pl seems to run but does nothing, no output when with --verbose any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

but rather that there should be nothing stopping you from operating in that manner

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sphery:

Though, from what I've heard, Ubuntu 11.04 comes close. It will turn any netbook/laptop/desktop into a phone, without phone service.

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justinh:

no, I think it should be called "the mythical convergence box of Judeah". NO! It should be called "the convergence of mythical Judeah"

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: mythlink produces links

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sphery:

This is Unity!

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wagnerrp:

you have to have file access to the content in question

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wagnerrp:

meaning that secondary server will have to have the recording folders mounted over NFS

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notlistening:

wagnerrp i think i have that all in place but i am getting no feedback

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notlistening:

i am running it stand alone first then trying on a end of recording event

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sphery:

notlistening: you've read/followed examples on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl ?

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justinh:

sphery: it turned a nice-ish desktop experience into crap when I booted it on my laptop :-\

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notlistening:

sphery yes i took the example from there

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justinh:

sphery: same USB stick on a laptop – unity. put the usb stick into my desktop.. desktop

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, I think Unity is great for phones/tablets, but not so great for real computing devices.

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justinh:

certainly not for laptops

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notlistening:

does the config.xml specifically the dbport need to be set?

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sphery:

ahh, so it seems more desktop like on a desktop... I haven't booted it on a desktop in forever

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wagnerrp:

it either needs to be correct, or 0

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sphery:

couldn't remember

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justinh:

anyway it's gonna be interesting what happens with Apple. Will it get better, or worse? :-)

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, it is 0, what is the default as i have not changed it so far

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justinh:

like without Jobs holding back the rabid lawyer types... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

0

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notlistening:

humm

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sphery:

justinh: or, as with the iPhone 5^H4S, stay exactly the same--without any real (good or bad) changes :)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: theyve been rabid enough lately if he has been holding them back

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sphery:

yeah, apple's main product these days seems to be lawsuits

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wagnerrp:

unless youre saying theyve been rabid since hes been on his deathbed

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justinh:

I heard the speech he gave at some conference or other where he mentioned dogma. I thought that was funny

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justinh:

yeah, eat that all you guys who yell "GETAMAC" at folks

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justinh:

think different (TM) i.e. the same as me (or else)

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wagnerrp:

dogma.. the movie?

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sphery:

though I'm not a fan of Android, I /do/ hope that Google invests the money to stop Apple's lawyers, because that's complete out of control

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justinh:

patent trolling is out of control end of

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wagnerrp:

apple is basically suing the entire rest of the mobile industry

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

patent reform is the only solution

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sphery:

just not one that the patent holders' lobbyists will pay the politicians for

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justinh:

we have copyright to cover stuff like trademarks, logos, case designs etc... but you can't frickin patent a form factor

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sphery:

notlistening: dbport will be automatically determined if not set

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, the whole industry is suing everyone else anyway

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wagnerrp:

http://technologizer.com/2011/04/19/mobile-lawsuits/

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sphery:

notlistening: uses the default value or the value from the listening backend

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, mythlink.pl is not giving any debug infromation when run with --verbose is that normal?

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justinh:

aww that's sweet. I still have an entry in my hosts file for 'joggler'

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sphery:

notlistening: have you verified the command, itself, on the command-line?

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wagnerrp:

except for amazon and qualcomm, they have somehow managed to stay clear of all of this

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wagnerrp:

although is qualcomm really still a viable entity?

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notlistening:

sphery, that is what i am doing now ;)

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sphery:

just put in a valid channel ID and start time where appropriate

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notlistening:

I am running mythlink.pl --verbose as a starting point

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justinh:

going after wifi users is the latest one I read about. yeesh.

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sphery:

do mythlink.pl --link /path/to/empty/directory --verbose

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justinh:

that's really yanking people's chain doing that

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sphery:

then rm -rf /path/to/empty/directory/* ; mythlink.pl --link /path/to/empty/directory --verbose --chanid <chanid> --starttime <starttime_as_20111010110000>

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wagnerrp:

bah, no wonder its not working

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wagnerrp:

the IP autoblock only lasts for a day

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sphery:

if you don't specify --link, it tries to use a stupid, "historic" directory... puts a show_names directory underneath some random directory in your storage groups (generally the "first" dir--meaning dependent on the order mysql returns them)

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, and instead of suing the wifi manufacturers--who have a vested interest in protecting themselves--they're suing hotels, restaurants, etc., who have enough money and lawyers to know that paying $2500/location is a lot cheaper than going to court, but who actually have enough money to pay for the troll's lawyers

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notlistening:

I have the script being run through a wrapper is that a bad idea?

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notlistening:

there is still no output when i redirect stdout and stderr to files

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wagnerrp:

there really needs to be some form of clause put into patent law where if you dont start making preparations for a suit within one year of a product hitting the mass market

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wagnerrp:

then your patent cannot cover it

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justinh:

or just some other kind of sanity clause

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wagnerrp:

i mean 802.11b was ratified in like 2001

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sphery:

or within a year of purchasing some company that did not make claims on the patent you just acquired

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wagnerrp:

and there have been other forms of wireless ethernet since the late 90s

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sphery:

really, IMHO, there should be law making it illegal to sell/transfer patents

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justinh:

heh. company goes bump... it's public domain!

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sphery:

patents are meant to protect the inventor's innovation and reward him for his work

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justinh:

that'd actually make more sense. I mean it can't be that good an idea if the company went bump :D

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notlistening:

can that not be a big lump of money though?

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sphery:

but when they become the actual product/money making device, they just cause more problems than actually having a free and open market

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sphery:

(yes, because patents and copyright are actually anti-capitalist)

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justinh:

and it *still* doesn't stop people copying your stuff

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sphery:

no joke

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sphery:

people just rework it enough to not violate the patent

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justinh:

see all the crappy iProduct rip-offs on Dealextreme.com et al

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justinh:

something to prevent passing off is a good thing IMHO. Let's see that

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sphery:

"patent says that a 25deg angle here is part of the device--and, though it's the ideal angle for best efficiency, we can just change it to 22deg and it will work well enough, but then we're not violating the patent."

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justinh:

yeah

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lapion:

a patent should be used to get recognition, and a small royalty...

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justinh:

i.e. the inventor benefits from everybody who uses their idea – and everybody benefits

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lapion:

correction: and maybe a small royalty

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sphery:

and patents need to go back to protecting /inventions/

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sphery:

not ideas (including software) and business processes

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lapion:

tax evasion patents are disallowed

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justinh:

we just need to bribe politicians to come back to our side & make it all right again :D

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sphery:

notlistening: start by removing all the "advanced" config... just do direct command-line runs, see if that works, then add in your wrapper script, then see if that works, then try the user job... see where it fails and it makes it easier to figure out why it's failing

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sphery:

and start with generic "do all links", then limit it by chanid/starttime

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sphery:

then add the wrapper

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sphery:

...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: now hold on just a minute

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lapion:

I hope the W*street protesters will make a difference on for that as well

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wagnerrp:

with us changing to a first-to-file system

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wagnerrp:

the business practice of patent trolling is now open for grabs

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lapion:

s/on//

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wait a minute... you don't have a 6-display system that shows you all the shows that are currently recording on your system so you can monitor for overruns, etc?

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sphery:

I have one. Just set up an atom system to play back all 6 recordings as they record. I haven't gotten that working, yet, but obviously that's because of misconfig, since I've heard that Atom could definitely do decode of 6 shows with output to 6 displays all at once

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justinh:

sphery: over a serial port link, too

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justinh:

serial laplink cables FTW

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** wagnerrp used parallel **

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justinh:

ah 8x faster so you can do 48 displays

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sphery:

justinh: ah, I haven't tried serial--that's probably what I did wrong

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sphery:

I thought maybe it's because I hadn't set up the virtual machine, yet, but it might be the serial thing, too

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justinh:

hmm maybe. without the VM the bits might be too loosely coupled

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sphery:

If I just run the players on the bare metal, I have one system doing all the work. So, I figure if I set up 6 VMs, then each system is only doing one decode/playback

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justinh:

sphery: don't forget you can easily emulate a faster processor too

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sphery:

oooh, good point

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justinh:

so any speed you need, just change the host config

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notlistening:

Oh haha

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justinh:

it's all true. I read it on a wiki

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** sphery hears the sound of progress! **

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sphery:

justinh: was it #1 in google's results, too?

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sphery:

if so, that's proof

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sphery:

wondering about the haha... did you figure it out, notlistening ?

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notlistening:

no just a conversation going on here

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notlistening:

i'll come back to it later :P

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

I was hoping you found the problem

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esperegu:

I recorded a program (in default group) but it does not show (onli shows live recordings) any one knows how I can change that?

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wagnerrp:

you changed the group filter

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wagnerrp:

hit the menu key and change the filter

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: that's m?

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wagnerrp:

by default, yes

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: pressing m in the media library shows 'recording options' for the specific file it seems

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wagnerrp:

go to the left side menu

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sphery:

esperegu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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sphery:

(which is exactly what wagnerrp just said, but in the FAQ :)

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esperegu:

sphery: thx.

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esperegu:

sphery / wagnerrp: I found it. it showed up finally but first onli the propeties of a specific item. guess I had to deselect that somehow

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sphery:

esperegu: you hit MENU 2x to toggle between the screen menu and the item-specific menu

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esperegu:

sphery: thx

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sphery:

it used to be that you used MENU to get the screen menu and INFO to get the context-menu (item-specific information/options), but, of course, that's *terrible* UI design (we were told so by users on the -user list who just didn't realize that INFO was right-click/context menu.

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sphery:

back then, we could actually tell you to just hit MENU and then select things

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sphery:

but now, we have to teach you how mythtv changes which menu you get depending on what's selected and where you are and how many times you press menu

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sphery:

progress is a beautiful thing

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esperegu:

=)

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sphery:

but on the bright side, people with an Apple 5-button remote can use MythTV

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sphery:

after all, if Apple says you only need 5 buttons on a remote, you only need 5 buttons on a remote

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BLZbubba:

i would prefer 5 buttons on a mouse

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sphery:

(completely ignoring the fact that users /could/ have modified LIRC to do exactly as mythtv now does without breaking MythTV--so they could have used their 5-button remote with MythTV by just configuring LIRC properly... but why should a user have to configure anything just because they want to use inappropriate hardware for MythTV?)

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BLZbubba:

or at least 3

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sphery:

yeah, no joke

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sphery:

if a mouse needs 5, a remote really should have more than 5

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sphery:

about like trying to create a 5-button keyboard... you might be able to get it by just doing without some letters or making it really hard to use, but why would you even try?

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notlistening:

sphery it was the wrapper so i added a softlink to the script and now it is starting to work a bit better

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notlistening:

How do you manage shows that have been deleted?

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wagnerrp:

manage... meaning?

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notlistening:

does setting the option on the backend to deleted soft links sort the problem out?

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wagnerrp:

what does the backend have anything to do with?

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notlistening:

okay you have your shows and your links to shows and i want to know how to remove the links to the shows when the show is deleted

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wagnerrp:

mythlink.pl will clean them up next time it runs

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notlistening:

so even if i run on the after recrded event it will clean it up?

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wagnerrp:

it would, but why bother?

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wagnerrp:

just let it run once every day or week in cron to clean those up

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notlistening:

I was thinking more so to create the link when the show was finished recording

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wagnerrp:

in that case, give it the specific chanid and starttime to create

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wagnerrp:

so it doesnt needlessly spend time regenerating everything

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: if you didnt realize, if a link does not have a target, it will be marked as hidden by most utilities

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sphery:

notlistening: see "Note: You will also need to run mythlink.pl separately to remove old symlinks. See Usage." at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

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notlistening:

thanks sphery

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jams:

wagnerrp- can you take care of this quick patch or should I open a ticket. http://pastebin.com/FtN917Uv

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wagnerrp:

i can handle it

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jams:

thx

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jams:

and yes that does more then what looks like remove the sticky bit

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notlistening:

when mythlink.pl runs under mythbackend does it run as the user myth?

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iamlindoro:

When the backend runs anything, it runs it as the user the backend is running as

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notlistening:

okay thanks iamlindoro explain the problem with the script

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wagnerrp:

what problem?

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** sphery assumes permissions problems because he ran the script as his own user then tried to run it--using the same destination directory--as mythtv user **

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sphery:

rm -rf /path/to/links/dir

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sphery:

or with sudo, as required

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sphery:

then run it using mythtv user

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notlistening:

the script was not pointing at the the right database location, not reading config.xml from the /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml

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wagnerrp:

the apparently its home is somewhere other than /home/mythtv

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notlistening:

no just becuase i was running it as my local user and had added in the script there

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notlistening:

not script but xml

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

yeah, you should make sure all config.xml/mysql.txt files on the system are identical

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notlistening:

they all point at the same location so they should be

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wagnerrp:

"In contrast, SuperSpeed USB has been installed on 10 billion pieces of hardware, with numbers continuing to grow"

[19:27:58]

wagnerrp:

wait... billions?

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wagnerrp:

its only been available for less than a year, right?

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dekarl:

wickie says USB 3.0: Released in November 2008.

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wagnerrp:

what besides hard drives can actually use it?

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TheAsp:

mice and keyboards ;)

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wagnerrp:

and its not like there are all that many USB hard drives

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wagnerrp:

TheAsp: those may as well be using USB1.1 if the USB2.0 chips werent cheaper due to bulk production

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TheAsp:

or usb3.0 to up the numbers to 10 billion

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TheAsp:

I'd believe that there are 10b pieces of hardware with USB

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wagnerrp:

USB, sure

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TheAsp:

there are only 6b peeps

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wagnerrp:

but not USB3.0

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wagnerrp:

arent we closer to like 6.5 by now?

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TheAsp:

whatever, we don't all have computers ;)

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: wickie ways it has reduced power consumption, so it might be nice for mobile applications and less latency

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dekarl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_3.0 : "USB 3.0 ... reduces power consumption", might add one of those cards to my workstation, it eats lots of power :)

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wagnerrp:

yes, because THATS where you want to optimize power

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wagnerrp:

on something that can pull at maximum 2.5W per port

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wagnerrp:

thats like the guy wanting to use two independent disks for read and write to speed up x264 jobs

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wagnerrp:

:)

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dekarl:

I want that machine where io throughput (or latency) is the problem in x264 encoding

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wagnerrp:

yeah, we tried explaining that, to no avail

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kormoc:

but his dual core cpu is 50% idle!

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Beirdo:

hey, wagnerrp... you seem to keep forgetting the -s (for sign-off) when committing other people's stuff :)

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

is that a problem?

[20:03:04]

Beirdo:

not a problem, no, but easier to track if it's there :)

[20:03:19]

wagnerrp:

says my name right there... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/1fb1738ce

[20:03:29]

Beirdo:

and a good habit to be in if you ever wanna contribute to the Linux kernel too

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wagnerrp:

somehow i doubt ill ever be given commit access to the linux kernel

[20:04:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, it still puts you as the committer, but the emails are missing the "signed-off-by" line, so you have to look harder

[20:04:30]

Beirdo:

heh, you never know, dude. You send the patch upstream, and it might end up in the kernel

[20:04:40]

Beirdo:

anyways :)

[20:04:45]

Beirdo:

just thought I'd mention

[20:05:05]

Beirdo:

in the linux kernel-land... you ALWAYS need -s, even if it's your own change

[20:05:19]

wagnerrp:

you have to sign off on your own patch?

[20:05:21]

wagnerrp:

thats absurd

[20:05:21]

Beirdo:

and then when it goes upstream, they sign off, etc

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Beirdo:

it's signing it to say that you have full knowledge of the code you are committing... which even extends to your own code.

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justinh:

sphery: 'some users'. Heh. Remember who it was who patched the PBB to act that way? there has to be a better way than having 2 menus

[20:06:02]

Beirdo:

I think it's a bit far for our own code too :)

[20:06:54]

justinh:

get the menu up. Oo, which menu? the menu menu or the info menu? It was either that or rename the INFO keybinding. LOL

[20:07:34]

justinh:

should rename video sources while you're at it

[20:07:58]

wagnerrp:

i keep saying we should name it 'channel lineups'

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dekarl:

stuartm, danielk22: you don't have pictures on your dvb radio on 28.8°? Like the radio screen show (Rass) used on german public stations? (basically a carousel of mpeg2 images)

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wagnerrp:

but get corrected every time

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sphery:

channel lineups is better than listing sources

[20:08:33]

sphery:

as far as the menu thing, users just didn't get it

[20:09:11]

justinh:

my wife still doesn't get why there were 2 menus

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sphery:

the same users who use desktop apps with a menu bar at the top of the screen and a right-click context menu/details popup all day

[20:09:20]

justinh:

dekarl: we get MHEG

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sphery:

I always get the wrong menu and get confused

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sphery:

having one button doesn't help

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sphery:

if we want one menu, we need one menu

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justinh:

better to not even need the menus :)

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sphery:

my opinion, at least

[20:09:50]

sphery:

but your change was actually better than any other proposal

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sphery:

would just be nice to take it farther so there's no confusion

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justinh:

it was the lesser of many evils. but no man has ever been brave enough to tackle mythvideo. heh

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justinh:

sphery: without any doubt

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justinh:

personally I think I'd rather lose features to make mythtv easier to use

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sphery:

then again, now that any theme can remap keys however they want, consistency is a goal we'll never reach

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dekarl:

justinh: ohh, I thought MHEG was for TV only

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sphery:

"How do I...?" "Well, which theme are you using?"

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justinh:

dekarl: we have non-tv, non-radio mheg channels

[20:11:15]

justinh:

sphery: what?!

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wagnerrp:

WHAT?

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justinh:

sphery: please tell me you're joking

[20:11:39]

wagnerrp:

i understand a themer wanting control over how a theme /looks/

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wagnerrp:

maybe even going so far as to limited control over menus

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** Beirdo sits back and eats popcorn and enjoys the show **

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justinh:

maybe controlling which menu items can appear & whatnot. fine

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wagnerrp:

but there are just far too many different remotes

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justinh:

but not which keys. that is INSANE

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wagnerrp:

and no coherent standard of configuring them

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justinh:

if that's really coming, we can all kiss mythtv's pretty ass goodbye

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justinh:

(IMHO). or that particular feature

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sphery:

justinh: I guarantee you that the answers to such questions on the list will not be answered with how to perform actions using the app-defined keys, but with the "accelerator" keys the user uses in his/her theme

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wagnerrp:

the control doesnt go beyond the accelerator stuff, does it?

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sphery:

in response to the removal of the arrow-key accel, a patch was committed that allows themes to say, "if the user presses the key for this action, do this action, instead"

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justinh:

oh for god's sakes

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sphery:

any key at all in any window

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Beirdo:

justinh: agreed

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sphery:

but, hey, it excelerates the app

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sphery:

besides, I think everyone realizes that the ultimate goal, here, is to re-create MythTV 0.18.1--the only worthwhile version of MythTV... this just puts us one step closer.

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Beirdo:

because people are just sooo inconvenienced by moving their finger to another button

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sphery:

justinh: not coming... it's in master, now

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justinh:

form a landing party. whose cage needs to be rattled to get this reversed?

[20:16:13]

sphery:

justinh: uses code like: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7a41c79dc

[20:16:45]

justinh:

WHAT?

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justinh:

oh man

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justinh:

well. I'm out

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sphery:

heh, I gave up the fight... I got beat to a pulp on the -dev list when I removed the last remnants of the accel functionality (which only worked in some popups, and only in some situations, dependent upon what was in the popup)... even called a liar

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sphery:

basically, the linked change makes LEFT behave as ESCAPE and RIGHT behave as SELECT in that one window

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sphery:

because, of course, hitting escape to escape makes no sense... hitting select to select is way too hard

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** justinh maps ZXCVGBN to RETURN **

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justinh:

this is the kind of insanity there's been such amazing work undoing

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sphery:

anyway, it seems that progress is reliant upon never removing any functionality--regardless of the reasons for removing it

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justinh:

well, best case – nobody uses it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I shouldn't be complaining... and I apologize for doing so. Really, I'm still just upset after the way I was treated when I removed the last little bit

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** wagnerrp proposes to remove livetv functionality **

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** Beirdo seconds the motion **

[20:20:22]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:20:23]

wagnerrp:

ach! lynch mob!

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justinh:

yeah, I will take my 'record on this channel but not on any day of the week that ends in the letter Y except when the moon is in equinox" recording option with me

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sphery:

we can't... 0.18 had it, so!!!

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** wagnerrp flees **

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sphery:

hehe

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justinh:

I mean once upon a time I was in the "who gives a fig if a user sees mythtv & runs a mile" camp but I was young...

[20:21:44]

justinh:

so where did this stuff come from anyway?

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tsp42:

Could anyone please tell me what exactly mythtv uses (field names in the record table) to distinct the different episodes from each other when using the kAllRecord and kChannelRecord Recording types?

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justinh:

christ, I'll buy the guy a 25 button remote :-P

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wagnerrp:

tsp42: whatever you told it to use for duplicate matching

[20:22:29]

justinh:

tsp42: we don't encourage users messing with the db

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wagnerrp:

it always uses the programid if its available

[20:22:55]

wagnerrp:

falling back to what you specify (defaults to subtitle and description)

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** justinh uses duplicate method matching of NONE ;-) **

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justinh:

works best. Misses the least amount of my wife's shows

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sphery:

tsp42: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Duplicate_matching , but you shouldn't be messing with anything in record or other ables in the db

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justinh:

maybe he's only trying to work out why it's not working out like he thought it might

[20:24:39]

justinh:

sphery: seriously. where do I sent a harmony 815?

[20:24:46]

sphery:

hehe

[20:24:56]

sphery:

well, there was a lot of outcry

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justinh:

(with a broken USB port)

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tsp42:

Thanks. I'm working on a mythtv frontend for the XBMC PVR project and unfortunately the MythProtocol does not support scheduling of recordings so I have to mess with the database although I would prefer not to do it

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justinh:

tsp42: bindings do, AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

well the bindings just hit the database for you

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sphery:

and, they all seemed to say, "We only need it for the OSD menu," but then they didn't fix the OSD menu, they put in the hack that allows any theme (and is already being used) to map other keys to other actions in other windows

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wagnerrp:

and thats assuming you want to use perl/python

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wagnerrp:

tsp42: this is for... 0.25?

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** justinh whispers "use the API instead" **

[20:26:38]

wagnerrp:

yes, look into the new services API

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iamlindoro:

no recording scheduling in the API yet-- but it'll be there in a week or so

[20:26:43]

** Beirdo whispers "use mythfrontend" **

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tsp42:

well currently 0.24.1 but I plan to support 0.25 when it is done but the MythProtocol seems to change a lot before the final release

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iamlindoro:

Trying to emulate Myth proto is a losing battle, the new API is the way forward

[20:27:10]

justinh:

many more commits like themes able to remap keys & we'll all be using XBMC.. once it gets timestretching

[20:27:11]

wagnerrp:

the services API uses an HTTP server pumping out XML or JSON

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wagnerrp:

a lot easier to maintain access against

[20:27:20]

iamlindoro:

It's a regular JSON and XML AP

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iamlindoro:

bah, a moment too late

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justinh:

meh why do I even care about this commit? no sane person will ever use it

[20:28:01]

wagnerrp:

it has a fair bit of functionality, but its missing a whole lot more

[20:28:17]

wagnerrp:

so if youre looking for some capability, and its not supported through the backend protocol

[20:28:24]

iamlindoro:

You can definitely already do a hell of a lot more than you can with mythproto

[20:28:27]

sphery:

iamlindoro: nice!

[20:28:28]

wagnerrp:

look into adding an interface through the API rather than hitting the database directly

[20:28:34]

justinh:

wagnerrp: that doesn't make it right ;)

[20:28:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro: the way it /should/ be!!!

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iamlindoro:

sphery: which part?

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sphery:

this part -> 10.10 16:26:40 <+iamlindoro> no recording scheduling in the API yet-- but it'll be there in a week or so

[20:29:07]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I've been looking at it

[20:29:13]

iamlindoro:

it'll be fairly basic, but should work fine

[20:29:18]

sphery:

so that random clients aren't trying to interpret/munge data in the db, etc.

[20:29:19]

justinh:

sphery: I take it all this fighting over the key mapping stuff took place out of the public gaze

[20:29:29]

iamlindoro:

it'll be patterned after the others I've written-- add, remove, and update

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sphery:

justinh: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/490922#490922

[20:30:20]

sphery:

that's most of it

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tsp42:

Yes emulating the mythproto is a nightmare (especially when using libcmyth :-( ). So how complete will the services API be for the 0.25 release?

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iamlindoro:

complete enough to write a basic, functioning frontend

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iamlindoro:

and configured mythbackend in a limited fashion

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API

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wagnerrp:

basically, the services api is slowly growing as developers are writing more features that use it

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wagnerrp:

the more people need to use it, the faster it will get written

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justinh:

although, for people with proper 'back' buttons on their remote, will we be able to go back a menu level rather than just cancel it?

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iamlindoro:

That's the fun part

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iamlindoro:

the answer is

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iamlindoro:

"Whatever the theme designer decides to make it do"

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iamlindoro:

which in this one case is BAD iMO

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justinh:

what?

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justinh:

oh FFS

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iamlindoro:

I may make all my themes delete by default with a right arrow out of protest

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

and the left arrow :)

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justinh:

and up arrow

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justinh:

and down arrow. and select

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iamlindoro:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

and back is select

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iamlindoro:

and 4 is left

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iamlindoro:

and 6 is right

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justinh:

There. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS!

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wagnerrp:

firelight, the perfect theme to make your recordings burn

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sphery:

I love delete via right

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justinh:

I don't do UI design for a living (be glad I don't) but Jesus H. Christ

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sphery:

iamlindoro: make sure that you use 8 for up and 2 for down, though--just like a numpad

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iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

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sphery:

even though it's upside down on some (all?) users' remotes

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justinh:

sphery: no, you don't want UP to move up the list – think of it as looking upwards, so the list moves down in your field of view

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sphery:

relative viewport manipulation makes sense

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justinh:

and when you hit the bottom of the list, it wraps & spins upside down. as if it was written on glass

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justinh:

ah well. I'll make a theme blacklist :-)

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wagnerrp:

screw remotes, this theme uses joysticks only

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justinh:

analogue or digital?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

kinect only

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

how do I map 'record only this showing' to 'TEHLOTUSPOSITION' ?

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wagnerrp:

in order you stop playback, you must SWEEPTHELEG

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justinh:

which reminds me... that remote in the linuxmce video last night.. bleugh. how laggy?

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Beirdo:

to fast forward... gyrate to the right

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Beirdo:

to rewind... gyrate to the left

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sphery:

I was using MythTV, and gave my SO a black eye when I tried to use the Kinect to start playback.

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sphery:

WAF is suffering...

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

depends on what you use pelvic thrusts for

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justinh:

be more like.. my wife was trying to use mythtv, got frustrated & gave me a black eye

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justinh:

Beirdo: driving you insayayayayayayne

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Beirdo:

yay. Meeting in 9min. I need more caffeine to survive.

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** justinh gets to work on Dvorak-wide – a manifestly unnavigate theme for MythTV **

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justinh:

unnavigable. I spend too much time with gadgets wot autocorrect

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wagnerrp:

but its marginally faster when you get used to it!

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justinh:

*won't make any difference to Atom & EPIA frontend users*

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

and you never have to worry about the hammers getting stuck

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justinh:

LOL

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justinh:

yeah that'd be my main worry if I had an Atom system. Getting a hammer stuck in it

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sphery:

hehe, yeah, I'm sure it would happen for me, too

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justinh:

OMG a car insurance comparison website just saved me money. I got a quote from the site, picked the cheapest one in the list then went to them direct. I saved loads

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notlistening:

os there a way to get mythlink to creat hardlinks?

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notlistening:

*is

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to?

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wagnerrp:

hardlinks mean when you delete it from mythtv, the file remains

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notlistening:

the problem now is that boxee won't follow the symlink :(

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wagnerrp:

i would be very much surprised if boxee couldnt follow symlinks

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notlistening:

it can't see them or maybe i am doing something wrong

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iamlindoro:

boxee won't follow symlinks, or you have samba set up wrong?

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wagnerrp:

this is boxee running on the same machine?

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wagnerrp:

if you are sharing the content over nfs, you must have the symlink target mounted as well

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wagnerrp:

if you are sharing over samba, either the same stipulations apply, or you need to disable unix extensions

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notlistening:

the files are on the NAS or bufalloness and being accessed over cifs

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notlistening:

actually i take it back the links have gone :P

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notlistening:

humm

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notlistening:

thats strange

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notlistening:

i think it is best to mount the cifs share locally and do it that way

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notlistening:

i was just trying to access it through the networking feature of boxee

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wagnerrp:

it is very unlikely you will be able to store functional symlinks to that NAS

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notlistening:

but i still don't know why the links disappeared

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, just thought about it ;)

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – i know the topic says you dont support other sotware, but I'll ask anyway :) dvbtraffic hangs on its call to read(), but dvblast works – any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

we dont support dvbtraffic or dvblast

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive never even heard of them

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sphery:

notlistening: perhaps you mounted a file system on top of the directory that contains the links?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

wagnerrp: i know, worth a punt though – they're in most distro's dvb-apps package

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wagnerrp:

seems like a utility in dvb-utils toolkit

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wagnerrp:

try in #linuxtv

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sphery:

notlistening: about the hard links: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/388848#388848

[21:18:32]

Super_Cat_Frog:

wagnerrp: ah thanks, that was my next question

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sphery:

notlistening: and http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6726#comment:2

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sphery:

isn't dvblast the new name for the vlc streamer?

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sphery:

http://www.videolan.org/projects/dvblast.html

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wagnerrp:

its a blast!

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sphery:

or maybe a wrapper around the vlc streamer?

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sphery:

a rocket blast, even, based on the picture

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sphery:

"Lightweight program designed for extreme memory and CPU conditions" ... wow, it even works on Atom

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notlistening:

thanks sphery hardlinks = bad news

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sphery:

yeah, you can configure Samba or NFS to handle them for you, though

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sphery:

er, s/them/softlinks/

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wagnerrp:

you can configure NFS to process symlinks locally?

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sphery:

no, not really--just have to mount things appropriately with NFS

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sphery:

i.e. so the linked location exists on the other host, too

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wagnerrp:

that would be nice, if he didnt have some bogus NAS that didnt do NFS

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notlistening:

lol there is always a way :D

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wagnerrp:

sometimes that way costs time

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sphery:

open NAS, remove disks, stick in myth box where you can control them?

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wagnerrp:

sometimes that way costs effort

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wagnerrp:

other times it costs money

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** wagnerrp thinks this is one of the latter **

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sphery:

in a 3-way comparison, I know former and latter, what's the middle?

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notlistening:

you can install debian on my NAS which is looking like a good option

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sphery:

center?

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wagnerrp:

sure

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sphery:

notlistening: hehe, that would be my choice... Freedom to configure it as you need it

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wagnerrp:

does that NAS even do gigabit?

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notlistening:

Yes it does :P wagnerrp

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notlistening:

I did not buy this NAS for what it is doing now

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notlistening:

Right can access them now

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notlistening:

but your right local mount of the cifs share allows me to see it

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sphery:

notlistening: yeah, or if you can control the Samba configuration on the NAS, you can disable unix extensions and enable follow symlinks and wide links, as in the -dev list post I linked

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sphery:

"SOFTWARE DETECT: You do not have the most current version of Flash"... Umm, yeah, there's a defect in your web site software, warnerbros--because it requires Flash/is not a web site

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notlistening:

Right myth can it find out the series and episode numbers of a show?

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notlistening:

they are not in the EPG

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iamlindoro:

they can in what will eventually be .25

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iamlindoro:

s/they/it/

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notlistening:

I will sit on my hands till .25 arrives then ;) that will be the best feature

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notlistening:

is there anything else particularly exciting coming?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25

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notlistening:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Though that page is a little out of date (a month or two) it covers a fair amount of the development so far

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Twiggy2cents:

Just curious, if I have a dts and dolby capable surround sound, is it just guessing on the surround with IEC958. Compared to something like DTS-HD passthrough. Or is that not an optical option

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Might be worth promoting the new Services API as a key new feature, and removing the JAMU references since it's gone

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: No HD audio format can be passed through optical

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iamlindoro:

HDMI only

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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iamlindoro:

Your device isn't guessing, the PC passes through an undecoded dolby or DTS bitstream, and your amp decodes it

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iamlindoro:

the bitstream contains all the channel data

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Twiggy2cents:

So the whole idea of IEC958 is passthrough?

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iamlindoro:

The whole idea of IEC958 is digital, passthrough is just a capability

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Twiggy2cents:

What about the options in mythtv-setup for dts and dolby. Can there be different streams in a recording?

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iamlindoro:

There are no options in mythtv-setup for audio

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Twiggy2cents:

sorry, frontend settings

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iamlindoro:

If you mean the audio options in the frontend, yes, a digital recording can have many audio tracks

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iamlindoro:

as can a DVD, Blu-ray, etc.

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Twiggy2cents:

So is there a preference on which is better?

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iamlindoro:

Depends

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Twiggy2cents:

Which would myth choose if both DTS and Dolby Digital were available?

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iamlindoro:

DTS

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iamlindoro:

And we generally refer to Dolby as "AC-3" instead

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iamlindoro:

As dolby digital is a family of codecs, and AC-3 is the specific one

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Twiggy2cents:

One last question involving the sound system. If I select 2 speakers in the frontend settings then my IEC958 5.1 surround sound does not play anything. If I select 5.1 it plays fine. Is that just because the reciever is expecting surround sound channels and not 2 channel?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not familiar with how the speaker number settings affect passthrough behavior, so I can't say

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Twiggy2cents:

I am guessing it is the fact that according to the very little amount I have read about it, that 2 channels are uncompressed and more channels are compressed. Although I dont know if 2 channels are commonly uncompressed

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iamlindoro:

Everything is compressed

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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iamlindoro:

I believe your speaker settings would work regardless if you enable the upmixer/downmixer

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iamlindoro:

Why would you want to select stereo anyway when you're passing through to a (presumably) 6 channel amp?

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Twiggy2cents:

Because my card occasionally dies or something and alsa will no longer see it. If I start mythtv in that time it keeps the same device but changes the output to 2 channel. When I restart the computer the sound works globally but not in in myth until I turn the upmixer back on

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TheAsp:

I'm having a weird issue with decoded surround sound... the speakers keep moving around

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TheAsp:

pausing an playing corrects it sometimes

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TheAsp:

other times skipping around fixes it

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TheAsp:

running 0.24.1 fixes

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Oleg_:

does mythtv support ATSC closed captioning?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, extensively

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Oleg_:

for ts files?

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iamlindoro:

If they weren't TS'es, it wouldn't be ATSC

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Oleg_:

yeah, good point

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