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| [00:30:36] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you drinking the scotch before you made that reply? |
| [00:30:37] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [00:36:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you are using istgt on freebsd, right? |
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| [00:54:58] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:55:01] | Beirdo: | yes, and yes |
| [00:55:20] | wagnerrp: | do you know if there is any way to include other files into the target definition file? |
| [00:56:04] | wagnerrp: | between multiple machines booting off iscsi, and each machine having multiple generations of image |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | plus various test images, scratch space, the base image |
| [00:56:31] | wagnerrp: | that file is going to get stupid large, pretty fast |
| [00:56:42] | Beirdo: | I haven't seen a way, but yeah, it's gonna get messy fast |
| [00:57:22] | wagnerrp: | especially considering the old iscsi-target from netbsd required two lines per share, one for the extent, one for the target |
| [00:57:35] | wagnerrp: | this, ive got like twelve lines each |
| [00:57:59] | Beirdo: | that in and of itself might be a good reason to use the netbsd style |
| [00:58:20] | wagnerrp: | the old netbsd one had problems |
| [00:58:54] | wagnerrp: | not unlike the old problems we had with out http server |
| [00:59:10] | wagnerrp: | it could only handle a limited number of active initiators |
| [00:59:21] | wagnerrp: | and it didnt flush them out if they uncleanly disconnected |
| [00:59:29] | wagnerrp: | well... if you are booting off it, you will uncleanly disconnect |
| [00:59:45] | wagnerrp: | so if i rebooted my machines a couple times, i would fill that up, and the server would crash |
| [00:59:58] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
| [01:00:01] | Beirdo: | that sucks |
| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i could rig up some helper utility to automatically generate the targets from the zfs partitions |
| [01:05:05] | wagnerrp: | "property 'shareiscsi' not supported on FreeBSD: permission denied" |
| [01:05:12] | wagnerrp: | well i suppose that answers that question |
| [01:05:13] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [01:22:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's unfortunate |
| [01:22:51] | Chwoka: | so do i need to install both the front and back ends? |
| [01:23:04] | wagnerrp: | you cant not install both the frontend and backend |
| [01:23:32] | Chwoka: | got it. |
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| [01:23:55] | wagnerrp: | wow... |
| [01:24:05] | wagnerrp: | that quit message was AMAZING! |
| [01:24:32] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he has any mc hammer anywhere ** | |
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| [02:57:03] | Seeker`: | can anyone remember the reason for the metadata menu in 0.25 doing an online lookup for the program id every single time you enter it, even if you have selected one before? |
| [02:59:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, mythuil committed |
| [02:59:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/mythuil/mythutil/ even |
| [03:13:35] | Seeker`: | also, would it not be better to only fall back to the most recent artwork available if there aren't any seasons set? If there is at least one season set, would it not be better to use that than a "random" one from the internet? |
| [03:15:48] | ** wagnerrp takes a look ** | |
| [03:16:49] | wagnerrp: | planning on letting it get a bit of testing before removing the related functions from other executables? |
| [03:17:17] | Seeker`: | and lastly there doesn't appear to be a way to review what images you have chosen for each season, only to set it to a new value |
| [03:19:09] | iamlindoro: | "Every season within a recording rule actually has its own set of artwork. To assign artwork for Season 1 of a show, set the Season spinbox to "1." In this way, you can edit artwork for each season of a show and have any combination of artwork you like!" |
| [03:19:35] | iamlindoro: | The lookup even when an inetref is set is a regression, caused by some commit by who-knows |
| [03:19:47] | iamlindoro: | And no, I like the fallback to newest artwork behavior |
| [03:20:05] | iamlindoro: | (in addition to being completely incapable of parsing whatever the second thing you said was) |
| [03:23:06] | Seeker`: | where does a season you haven't set artwork for get the new artwork from? Does "newest" mean "highest season you've set a value for" or "the most recently uploaded to the internet"? |
| [03:23:43] | iamlindoro: | It gets the new artwork from the metadata source, which categorizes art by season |
| [03:23:58] | iamlindoro: | meaning if the artwork type supports seasons, like banners and coverart, you get the new season's art |
| [03:24:28] | iamlindoro: | If the artworktype does not support seasons, like fanart, then it chooses the artwork at the index number of season so taht the artwork per season varies |
| [03:25:02] | iamlindoro: | Which is a fancy way of saying that it's not at all random, and whenever it's possible, it'll be specific to the new season |
| [03:34:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do we have any 'rule of thumb' for using LOG versus cerr? |
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| [03:41:54] | ** iamlindoro shakes his fist at stuartm ** | |
| [03:42:05] | iamlindoro: | nearly two months ago |
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| [03:43:28] | iamlindoro: | Turns out when three people fix the same bug three different ways, but leave everyone's version, bad things happen |
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| [03:50:29] | iamlindoro: | There, re-lookup regression fixed |
| [03:50:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any idea how old that thread is? |
| [03:50:56] | iamlindoro: | April |
| [03:51:04] | wagnerrp: | my (non-archive) folder only goes back to the beginning of august |
| [03:51:06] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [03:52:05] | wagnerrp: | woo! dont compiling |
| [03:52:07] | wagnerrp: | done |
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| [04:04:57] | wagnerrp: | anyone currently around have a 0.24 install handy? |
| [04:11:21] | iamlindoro: | linux guy doesn't get it |
| [04:11:46] | iamlindoro: | good thing I didn't call it "threadcromancy" |
| [04:13:10] | ** wagnerrp suggests iamlindoro chant something out of the necronomicon to put the thread back down ** | |
| [04:13:31] | wagnerrp: | dont forget to say the magic words first! |
| [04:15:50] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: im wondering if its worth adding another hook to squelch logs on things like --getskiplist |
| [04:16:04] | wagnerrp: | of course the current mythcommflag does no such thing |
| [04:16:29] | wagnerrp: | and i dont have an instance of 0.24 to test to see if it printed anything but the skip list |
| [04:16:41] | iamlindoro: | gort, klaatu, barata.... |
| [04:16:41] | wagnerrp: | either way, its simple enough to simply grep for "Commercial Skip List" |
| [04:16:47] | iamlindoro: | COUGHKTOCOUGH |
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| [04:17:02] | wagnerrp: | he didnt have to say gort did he? |
| [04:17:12] | iamlindoro: | I guess maybe not... it's been a while |
| [04:17:52] | iamlindoro: | What are the odds linuxguy will come back and tell me how wrong I am about his other thread, too |
| [04:18:26] | iamlindoro: | And as an aside, it's a scientific fact that whenever a user starts a thread where they insist something is a bug, it's not only a misconfiguration, it's one of the most common ones |
| [04:21:20] | wagnerrp: | you know, usually google image searches turn up something worthwhile |
| [04:21:38] | wagnerrp: | but necrobump? yea... im looking at some weird stuff... |
| [04:24:38] | iamlindoro: | He seems a little obtuse |
| [04:25:02] | iamlindoro: | we know why he responded to it, he doesn't seem to get that bringing up a six month old thread is a bad idea, and that he could have just linked it in a new thread |
| [04:26:17] | Seeker`: | iamlindoro: thanks for fixing the inetref regression :) |
| [04:26:22] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:26:26] | iamlindoro: | Had been meaning to |
| [04:27:32] | wagnerrp: | here we go... best i could do... http://apoco.no-ip.biz/motivational/thread%20necromancy.jpg |
| [04:27:53] | iamlindoro: | hahahahaahah |
| [04:28:05] | iamlindoro: | you should definitely post that |
| [04:29:33] | wagnerrp: | no... all i can do is facepalm... http://www.avatarhosting.net/pics/12721/picardfacepalm.jpg |
| [04:30:08] | iamlindoro: | amazing |
| [04:31:43] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, at least 4chan gives us all these great little pictures |
| [04:42:41] | iamlindoro: | Think I finally have the fixes for HDHR Prime to be able to fetch channels properly ready |
| [04:42:55] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately can't really test against a non-cablecard tuner, though |
| [04:43:02] | iamlindoro: | non-cablecard HDHR, that is |
| [04:43:31] | wagnerrp: | meaning... the detection so that a non-cablecard HDHR behaves as it formerly did? |
| [04:43:41] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | want to toss it this way? |
| [04:44:01] | iamlindoro: | Let me test it once here to check that it behaves as I expect it will, then I'll pastebin |
| [04:44:09] | iamlindoro: | waiting for compile to finish |
| [04:47:36] | iamlindoro: | basically shortcircuits all the places where it would crap out on an HDHR by checking if it's an HDHR with an OOB tuner, and with good OOB tuner lock (thus, cablecard is present)... and only if that fails, falling back to the other checks |
| [04:48:01] | iamlindoro: | So it should even mean that a Prime user without cablecard will get traditional HDHR behavior |
| [04:48:55] | iamlindoro: | It's not beautiful, as it requires a connection to the HDHR every time it checks, but it should do for now |
| [04:51:25] | iamlindoro: | Testing the patch should be as simple as creating a new video source, attaching it to a HDHR input, and attempting to fetch channels from listings source... it should fail as usual, and still allow a regular scan. |
| [04:51:38] | iamlindoro: | Whereas mine should allow me to fetch the chans |
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| [05:09:13] | ** wagnerrp tries a new init script ** | |
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| [05:26:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/A2CEYdn9 |
| [05:27:24] | iamlindoro: | So, test with the methodology above-- test a fetch on a new lineup and ensure that the channel list remains empty, then confirm it still allows you to scan |
| [05:29:09] | iamlindoro: | I have it so it will allow channel fetch with the prime, just need to confirm normal HDHR works as expected |
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| [05:40:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: meh, what the hell, I'm just going to commit it, I'm convinced it's fine. |
| [05:41:18] | wagnerrp: | just finished compiling if you want to wait three minutes |
| [05:41:26] | iamlindoro: | sure, will do |
| [05:41:40] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [05:43:13] | wagnerrp: | hold on a second, forgot i needed to run this on a host with broadcast capability |
| [05:47:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, it has both enabled |
| [05:48:00] | iamlindoro: | both buttons have always been enabled |
| [05:48:24] | wagnerrp: | so in my case the 'fetch channels' should be disabled? |
| [05:48:25] | iamlindoro: | the question is, if you press "fetch channels from listings source" does the channel spinbox remain "please add channels" |
| [05:48:43] | iamlindoro: | And if it does, press finish, and re-enter the input and make sure it still reads that |
| [05:48:44] | wagnerrp: | oh, let me create a new source to test with |
| [05:48:51] | iamlindoro: | (and/or check that that sourceid has no channels in the db) |
| [05:48:55] | iamlindoro: | yeah, test on a fresh source |
| [05:50:14] | wagnerrp: | skipping channel fetch, you need to scan for channels first |
| [05:50:35] | iamlindoro: | beautiful |
| [05:50:37] | iamlindoro: | thank you! |
| [05:50:45] | wagnerrp: | so... nine minutes |
| [05:50:48] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:50:52] | iamlindoro: | I'll take it! |
| [05:51:02] | iamlindoro: | Just finishing the guide rewrite and then I'll push |
| [05:54:46] | iamlindoro: | done |
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| [05:58:27] | ** wagnerrp goes to bed ** | |
| [05:59:38] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: thanks for the help; |
| [05:59:56] | ** wagnerrp reminds iamlindoro that he is not chatting in C ** | |
| [06:00:17] | iamlindoro: | QString("that's what you think"); |
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| [08:15:57] | mxc: | hi jya, just added a comment to ticket 10081. what do you think about it? |
| [08:16:36] | jya: | I think it's a good comment :) |
| [08:18:01] | mxc: | have you tried the 24bit wave? |
| [08:18:06] | jya: | if there is a playback problem, the solution provided certainly isn't the proper one. Any floats handling is done elsewhere, including if it's LSB or MSB floats… |
| [08:18:32] | jya: | mxc: I have plenty of 24 bits samples (like any FLAC files)… |
| [08:18:52] | jya: | now if you have a file that do not play properly, provide a sample.. |
| [08:19:35] | jya: | if it's the issue that was reported to me earlier with 24bits audio with a particular sound card, the issue is more in the alsa drivers reporting a format as being supported when it's not |
| [08:20:20] | jya: | myth only feed a specific data format to an audio card if ALSA states that this particular format is supported. |
| [08:20:51] | jya: | the *patch* provided would break all 24 bits playback on big endian system btw.. |
| [08:22:30] | jya: | so again, if you have a particular file not playing, please provide it... |
| [08:24:08] | mxc: | 24bit was completly broken for me. and there's no change of the data given to alsa but how alsa interprets them |
| [08:24:40] | jya: | what audio card do you have? |
| [08:25:41] | mxc: | terratec ewx24/96, ice 1712 chipset, alsa 1.0.21 (kernel debian stable) |
| [08:26:09] | jya: | again, myth will provide floats in that particular format should ALSA reports that the audio card supports that format. If it doesn't, the bug is in ALSA, not in myth and I will not put workaround for broken alsa drivers in myth (especially a fix that would break content for other people) |
| [08:28:08] | jya: | to prove my point try this… in audiooutputalsa.cpp, in the function GetOutputSettings |
| [08:28:20] | jya: | comment the line: case FORMAT_FLT: afmt = SND_PCM_FORMAT_FLOAT; break; |
| [08:30:50] | mxc: | its not float, 32bit integer. i created a 32 bit wavefile with sox and it played fine |
| [08:31:24] | mxc: | SetParameters(Format=10, channels=2,.. |
| [08:32:12] | mxc: | whereas 24bit was distorted |
| [08:32:49] | mxc: | SetParameters(format=6, channels=2 ... |
| [08:34:54] | jya: | aren't you using your audio card's spdif output btw? |
| [08:35:51] | jya: | and what do you thing "format=6" means |
| [08:36:06] | jya: | check the value and FORMAT_FMT.. |
| [08:36:22] | mxc: | yes but i tested it with front and spdif |
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| [08:37:07] | jya: | In any case… no point pursuing this conversation until you have provided me with a sample of your file not playing. Don't understand your point in arguing with me when you obviously have no idea on how the myth audio framework works |
| [08:37:30] | mxc: | format = 6 from mythfrontend log PCM_FORMAT_S24LE |
| [08:37:52] | jya: | myth support two types of float |
| [08:38:02] | jya: | float LSB, and standard float |
| [08:38:19] | jya: | your card reports the incorrect types of floats so myth feed it that way.. |
| [08:38:20] | jya: | end of story |
| [08:38:41] | mxc: | format=10 PCM_FORMAT_S32LE |
| [08:39:22] | jya: | all your doing in this ticket (if you're the one who submitted the ticket) is make alsa treats floats just like signed 32 bits… that's so obviously wrong that I won't continue further. |
| [08:42:00] | mxc: | soryy but imeant PCM_FORMAT_S32LE is signed 32 bits little endian and not float. |
| [08:42:36] | jya: | wondering if you are even reading what I'm writing ... |
| [08:43:46] | mxc: | from the log: |
| [08:45:39] | mxc: | AO: Original codec was PCM_S32LE, signed 32 bit, 96 kHz, 2 channels |
| [08:49:00] | mxc: | AO: Opening audio device 'iec958:CARD=...' ch 2(2) sr 96000 sf signed 32 bit reenc 0 |
| [08:49:26] | jya: | and? |
| [08:50:35] | mxc: | played fine also with front device |
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| [08:51:41] | jya: | sigh… I give up.. |
| [08:53:12] | mxc: | did you played your 24bits without recoding and without dmix? |
| [08:54:44] | jya: | i asked you for two things in the ticket.. you're yet to answer/provide any of the two… so 'til then... |
| [08:54:50] | mxc: | sorry not recoding .. meant resampling |
| [08:55:18] | _fjh_: | Hi, does recording of DVB-S "radio-only" channels work for you? My installation stops after some seconds of audio more or less completely. Do I need to configure anything special for low bitrates? |
| [08:56:55] | jya: | _fjh_: which version of myth are you using? can you provide a log running mythfrontend with -v audio |
| [08:57:04] | jya: | and provide a sample .. thanks |
| [08:58:03] | mxc: | 0.24.1 Which way should i provide a sample? |
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| [09:03:21] | _fjh_: | jya: I run 0.24.1+fixes20110828–0.0 |
| [09:05:28] | _fjh_: | jya: I have messages in the backend log that somethings wrong there. I will try now to create logs. |
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| [09:11:04] | _fjh_: | jya: I have now a log from LiveTV mode of the frontend: http://db.tt/w23mqhc8 |
| [09:11:35] | jya: | use pastebin.com for logs |
| [09:12:06] | jya: | just open a ticket on trace… Attach the logs and put the link to a sample.. I'll have a look at it later, I've got to run |
| [09:14:25] | _fjh_: | jya: Ok will try, thank you. |
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| [12:41:24] | Seeker`: | hmm, when you change channel on liveTV, the program info only shows up in the OSD if you are tuning to a new multiplex with that tuner, if it is the same multiplex it only shows "On known multiplex" – you have to press 'i' after the osd has disappeared for the program info to show |
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| [14:12:14] | styelz: | Seeker`: use enable "Always use browse mode in Live TV" in Playback OSD might help |
| [14:13:08] | styelz: | so you browse the info window and see the info, then select the channel, which is when that message appears about same multiplex |
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| [14:14:37] | styelz: | pitty there isnt a delayed select |
| [14:14:42] | styelz: | for brosing |
| [14:14:49] | styelz: | so you dont need to select |
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| [14:19:40] | Seeker`: | it does it even if you type the channel number then hit enter |
| [14:22:20] | styelz: | yea |
| [14:25:33] | styelz: | but not if you enable browse mode |
| [14:25:57] | styelz: | you can scroll up down the channels without it changing |
| [14:26:04] | styelz: | then pess enter on the one you want |
| [14:26:10] | Seeker`: | thats not what I want to do |
| [14:26:15] | styelz: | ah |
| [14:26:43] | Seeker`: | I want to change channel by pressing the number, and have it come up with the info like it does when it has to change multiplex, rather than just displaying "on known multiplex" |
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| [14:35:55] | DjMadness: | I seam tobe having troubles compiling latest git master branch of mythplugins, specificly mythmusic, something related to unzip.h, does anyone know a workaround for this ? http://pastebin.com/t0TmUkNk |
| [14:36:28] | DjMadness: | i know i can disable mythmusic, but i actually use i |
| [14:36:28] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt look like mythmusic to me |
| [14:37:00] | DjMadness: | what does it look like then ? |
| [14:37:09] | wagnerrp: | mythgame |
| [14:40:05] | DjMadness: | that was an unlucky break there, just had the errors so many times, seams like it comes on multiple places |
| [14:40:45] | DjMadness: | something with unzip.h keeps comming up |
| [14:43:44] | wagnerrp: | go into the mythgame folder, make distclean, and try again |
| [14:43:57] | wagnerrp: | builds fine here |
| [14:44:44] | wagnerrp: | builds fine on all those... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/waterfall |
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| [15:29:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: around? |
| [15:30:56] | wagnerrp: | im looking at integrating this recordedartwork stuff into the Recorded and Record classes in the bindings |
| [15:31:07] | wagnerrp: | however the primary keys are inetref, season, and host |
| [15:31:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning with the automatic class configuration, the bindings want those three to spawn a new instance |
| [15:32:16] | wagnerrp: | will the 'host' be whatever host the mythmetadatalookup that pulled the artwork ran on? |
| [15:32:42] | wagnerrp: | or will it be the host the recording is on? (i assume not since different recordings on one season could be on one host) |
| [15:33:17] | wagnerrp: | or is inetref/season sufficient for a unique index, and i should manually drop host from the class? |
| [15:34:31] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, in python binding, SET CHANNEL INFO is implemented? |
| [15:34:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that is |
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| [15:35:20] | FabriceMG: | in myth Protocol, SET CHANNEL INFO http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SET_CHANNEL_INFO_(Myth_Protocol) |
| [15:35:47] | wagnerrp: | no, there is not a pre-made method for such |
| [15:35:59] | wagnerrp: | however you can make your own with MythBE.backendCommand() |
| [15:37:07] | wagnerrp: | something like be.backendCommand(BACKEND_SEP.join(['SET_CHANNEL_INFO', '1001', '2', '25', 'WHOO', '35', 'The Who Network', '12345'])) |
| [15:37:25] | FabriceMG: | oki |
| [15:38:13] | wagnerrp: | there is also the Channel class for creating and editing channels |
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| [15:38:26] | wagnerrp: | but that hasnt gotten much or any use outside of mirobridge |
| [15:38:28] | FabriceMG: | I parsing page KingOfSat, and I fill the database |
| [15:38:45] | wagnerrp: | as an alternate channel scanner? |
| [15:38:57] | FabriceMG: | no scan |
| [15:39:31] | wagnerrp: | just to automagically match up xmltvids? |
| [15:40:10] | FabriceMG: | I fill transport and channel |
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| [15:41:10] | wagnerrp: | depending on what youre doing, it may be easier to use the Channel class |
| [15:41:12] | FabriceMG: | dtv_multiplex and channel table |
| [15:41:47] | wagnerrp: | although thats direct tinkering in the database, and wont do whatever update SET_CHANNEL_INFO claims to be pushing out to various machines |
| [15:42:13] | wagnerrp: | and if youre getting into low level stuff typically only populated by the scanner |
| [15:42:22] | wagnerrp: | there is all sorts of room to break things |
| [15:42:31] | wagnerrp: | and no safety checks to try to ensure you dont |
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| [15:45:34] | FabriceMG: | now, I't work perfectly , I like the risk :) |
| [15:46:13] | FabriceMG: | just missing information xmltv and icon information |
| [15:46:54] | FabriceMG: | If i use my script, I don't use scanner of backend |
| [15:48:38] | wagnerrp: | you mean the icon scanner |
| [15:48:42] | wagnerrp: | from lyngsat |
| [15:49:11] | FabriceMG: | :) i parse all lyngsat logo too |
| [15:51:35] | FabriceMG: | second question, one way to download file(icon) on backend? |
| [15:51:59] | wagnerrp: | MythBE.downloadTo() |
| [15:52:07] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . roto.py#L703 |
| [15:52:47] | wagnerrp: | although im thinking icons are not currently stored in a storage group, pseudo or otherwise |
| [15:53:07] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: might be worth adding another pseudo-group? |
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| [15:54:04] | FabriceMG: | for the future , yep |
| [15:55:57] | FabriceMG: | centralized information for all frontend and mythweb , and download icon by myth protocol |
| [15:56:48] | wagnerrp: | actually, icons can already be downloaded from the backend |
| [15:56:52] | wagnerrp: | but it has its own command for it |
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| [16:05:02] | FabriceMG: | Is it possible to launch in "mythfilldatabase" command on backend ? or other way for update backend by python bindings |
| [16:06:28] | wagnerrp: | you can run it manually |
| [16:06:56] | wagnerrp: | theres a helper utility at System.system(command) to do so |
| [16:07:02] | wagnerrp: | but no way to have the backend trigger a run |
| [16:11:07] | FabriceMG: | thx wagnerrp |
| [16:23:40] | dekarl: | FabriceMG: why not just add a list of onid:sid to xmltvid to your xmltv grabber and use that in your "scanner". |
| [16:26:01] | FabriceMG: | dekarl, ???? explain |
| [16:28:03] | dekarl: | when you insert into dtv_multiplex and channel you always have original_network_id and service_id. These are globally unique (unless some makes a mistake) by keeping a map of all of these pair that match your xmltvid with your grabber you can automatically configure your xmltv grabber, too. |
| [16:29:37] | dekarl: | http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/lineups/freesat.map <- map of a similar id, it's service_name + service_id => xmltvid, I'm not sure thats going to always work, but we'll see |
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| [16:41:11] | FabriceMG: | dekarl, yep ,in with one azimut, original_network_id and service_id is a unique identifier |
| [16:42:03] | FabriceMG: | but with multiple azimut ? |
| [16:42:32] | dekarl: | it's still unique |
| [16:43:11] | dekarl: | e.g. SES Astra has like 7 original_network_ids with 64k service_ids each. I don't think they are running short anytime... |
| [16:44:12] | dekarl: | it's possible that one onid:sid will show up on multiple muxes. e.g. when a channel is on the move from one frequency to another. but then it's the same channel twice. |
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| [16:45:28] | dekarl: | MS uses azimut+frequency+onid+tsid+sid (DVB-S) or onid+tsid+sid (DVB-T) which is enough to uniquely identify each transmission (IMHO only useful for fixups when the provider does something stupid) |
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| [16:54:03] | FabriceMG: | True, if the name changes, it does not work, but NetworkID: ServiceId, it works |
| [16:55:26] | dekarl: | be sure to use Original_Network_ID, it's easy to confuse them (the one in dtv_multiplex is the right value under the wrong name... need to go through and check all instances of network_id still :( |
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| [18:07:07] | Ankhwatcher: | Should I be able to connect two myth frontend applications from the same machine? i.e. myth frontend and myth player at the same time? |
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| [18:33:09] | wagnerrp: | mythplayer? |
| [18:33:16] | wagnerrp: | Ankhwatcher: ^^^ |
| [18:36:51] | Ankhwatcher: | wagnerrp: http://sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/ it hasn't updated in a year but it works really easily. |
| [18:38:44] | Ankhwatcher: | I just put in the ip address and bam. It's working. |
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| [18:42:29] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with running multiple applications on the frontend is that all settings are keyed off the hostname |
| [18:42:45] | wagnerrp: | since 3rd party players are not likely to store their settings in the database, that shouldnt be a problem |
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| [18:43:07] | Ankhwatcher: | that's fine then. |
| [18:45:27] | Ankhwatcher: | I just want to watch recordings with myth player while I reinstall myth for windows for the third/fourth time |
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| [19:00:32] | Ankhwatcher: | My windows install of myth-frontend does not display video |
| [19:00:38] | Ankhwatcher: | I get sound, but no video |
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| [19:01:04] | Ankhwatcher: | I screwed something up trying to get it onto my second monitor. |
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| [19:06:32] | Ankhwatcher: | wagnerrp: What are video playback profiles for? Any recommendations? |
| [19:13:32] | Ankhwatcher: | I just ran the mythavtest and that worked. |
| [19:19:42] | wagnerrp: | for windows? look for one that has directx |
| [19:19:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if there is one stock |
| [19:19:53] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, use slim |
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| [19:24:03] | Ankhwatcher: | okay I just successfully played a recording with myth frontend on windows, so I just can't watch live tv with it. |
| [19:24:32] | Ankhwatcher: | (but live tv worked in the avtest and works in myth player) |
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| [19:38:40] | ew73: | Gentlemen (and potential ladies), I've got a problem I cannot seem to fix. It involves "Upgrading to MythTV Schema 1226", windows, and a whole lot of nothing else. |
| [19:40:43] | ew73: | Anyone wa want to take a guy that used to thnk he's smart by the hand and help? |
| [19:41:26] | wagnerrp: | just start firing off questions, and idle around a bit |
| [19:41:31] | wagnerrp: | someone will likely answer them eventually |
| [19:42:46] | ew73: | See above; a fresh install, running various things like mythtv-setup or mythfilldatabase happily connect, notice that the database is empty/new, and hang on the schema upgrade. |
| [19:43:01] | ew73: | I'd like them to .. not hang. |
| [19:43:37] | wagnerrp: | you mentioned windows? |
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| [19:44:20] | ew73: | Truth, windows 7. |
| [19:44:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, what does windows have to do with anything? |
| [19:44:49] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to run mythtv on windows are you? |
| [19:45:53] | wagnerrp: | if you are, im going to head you off right there before even trying to bother with any database issues |
| [19:46:42] | ew73: | Out of curisosity, why? |
| [19:47:03] | wagnerrp: | well... because only the frontend is currently functional on windows |
| [19:47:16] | wagnerrp: | and a frontend is useless without a backend to record and feed it content |
| [19:47:29] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is currently designed to run on POSIX systems |
| [19:47:35] | wagnerrp: | like linux, bsd, osx... |
| [19:47:50] | wagnerrp: | although for most cases, youll want to be running linux |
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| [19:47:57] | wagnerrp: | since bsd and osx have very limited driver support |
| [19:48:23] | ew73: | When did the backend stop working under windows, ad who's going to updat ethe wiki, then? |
| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | never |
| [19:48:47] | wagnerrp: | because... it never actually started working |
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| [19:49:05] | wagnerrp: | you /might/ be able to get the backend running with a HDHomeRun |
| [19:49:07] | wagnerrp: | but i doubt it |
| [19:49:12] | ew73: | That's a whole lot of writing for never worked. ;) |
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| [19:49:16] | wagnerrp: | and im certain theres a lot of crap that wont function |
| [19:49:20] | wagnerrp: | what page? |
| [19:49:34] | ew73: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows |
| [19:50:24] | wagnerrp: | awful lot of writing, for running the frontend |
| [19:50:35] | wagnerrp: | the frontend runs fine..ish on Windows |
| [19:51:52] | ew73: | Right. I'm not totally invested in windows working here, it's more of a 'don't want to reinstall' thing. |
| [19:52:04] | wagnerrp: | what tuner do you plan on using? |
| [19:53:06] | ew73: | That was a task for after I got the software going. So far, mythtv on windows isn't doing much except not populating a database. |
| [19:53:54] | wagnerrp: | its entirely possible the stock mysql install on windows uses some funky formatting that mythtv isnt happy with |
| [19:54:03] | wagnerrp: | which is preventing it from doing the table change |
| [19:54:18] | wagnerrp: | although the 1226 schema change only altered some columns to varchar |
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| [19:54:25] | wagnerrp: | which i dont see why that would cause any problems |
| [19:54:59] | wagnerrp: | in any case, if you have no ties to windows, and you have no prior linux experience, i would start out with something like mythbuntu |
| [19:55:22] | ew73: | I'm ok with linux. |
| [19:55:30] | wagnerrp: | what distro? |
| [19:55:41] | wagnerrp: | its best to use one your comfortable with |
| [19:55:52] | wagnerrp: | so youre not learning both a new distro AND mythtv at the same time |
| [19:55:54] | ew73: | Ubunut, usually. |
| [19:56:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, try out mythbuntu then |
| [19:56:45] | ew73: | I'm contemplating just putting xbmc on the thing and doing the PVR stuff with teh comcast box. Not quite as awesom. :) |
| [19:57:06] | wagnerrp: | if you have comcast, you really should consider a hdhomerun prime |
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| [19:57:31] | wagnerrp: | pricy, but you only end up with a monthly cablecard rental for a couple bucks |
| [19:57:41] | wagnerrp: | rather than several cable box rentals, and several analog capture devices |
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| [19:57:48] | wagnerrp: | and should get you everything but the permium channels |
| [19:57:50] | ew73: | Is it just a cablecard with lots of tuners and a cat5 plug? |
| [19:59:16] | wagnerrp: | more or less |
| [19:59:32] | wagnerrp: | basically, with comcast, everything but the local broadcast channels will be encrypted |
| [19:59:40] | wagnerrp: | and you will not be able to access them with a digital tuner |
| [19:59:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre stuck with cable boxes and analog capture devices |
| [20:00:07] | wagnerrp: | except this will decrypt them for you, and feed mythtv anything that isnt copy protected |
| [20:00:37] | wagnerrp: | and so far, comcast has been pretty nice to their users as far as not 'protecting' the content from paying customers |
| [20:01:44] | wagnerrp: | quite a departure from their normal behavior |
| [20:01:55] | ew73: | Right. |
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| [20:14:06] | Ankhwatcher: | ew73: are you trying to run mythtv on an all windows system? |
| [20:14:27] | lxs-makoto: | evening all. i've got a DVB-S card, seems to work ok but like crap on any HD broadcast. graphics card is an nvidia geforce fx6200 which seems capable of minecraft, but not HD video, which when playing sounds like a stuttering engine. |
| [20:14:35] | lxs-makoto: | any ideas? |
| [20:14:54] | wagnerrp: | lxs-makoto: what processor? |
| [20:15:00] | Ankhwatcher: | a dvb-s should only be able to show you sd anyway. |
| [20:15:25] | Ankhwatcher: | you need a dvb-s2 for hd |
| [20:15:46] | Ankhwatcher: | actually let me check that, that might only be true in europe |
| [20:16:28] | lxs-makoto: | wagnerrp: the machins has 2 dual core netburst series Xeons clocked at 2.8ghx |
| [20:16:31] | lxs-makoto: | *ghz |
| [20:16:53] | wagnerrp: | if its single sliced h264, its entirely possible that machine cant handle it |
| [20:17:02] | lxs-makoto: | ahh |
| [20:17:14] | wagnerrp: | a 2.8GHz netburst is probably only good for around 8Mbps per core |
| [20:17:42] | lxs-makoto: | how can my Panasonic TV do it then, is that all done hardware based? |
| [20:18:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:18:10] | lxs-makoto: | ahhhh. |
| [20:19:23] | lxs-makoto: | if i have the Xeon box running as a backend, would a dualcore 1.9Ghz Turion 64 work as the frontend? |
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| [20:19:45] | wagnerrp: | probably about the same single threaded performance |
| [20:21:05] | lxs-makoto: | should I just be like sod it my hardware sucks, and buy a TV? |
| [20:21:50] | wagnerrp: | if you have no intention of recording TV, then there is little purpose to run mythtv |
| [20:22:38] | wagnerrp: | if you are willing to buy a new tv, you could just as cheaply buy some halfway decent hardware that could handle your content without trouble |
| [20:22:43] | lxs-makoto: | i'm only after the EPG, but im not aware of a well-supported DVB-S application for TV under linux |
| [20:23:22] | wagnerrp: | and by halfway decent, i mean anything made in the last four years or so |
| [20:24:04] | lxs-makoto: | i have a machine i built about a year ago from newish parts, but theres no graphics card and the integrated sucks. |
| [20:24:12] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
| [20:24:46] | lxs-makoto: | Athlon X2 7550 2.5ghz |
| [20:25:07] | wagnerrp: | a bit on the low end, but should be plenty fast |
| [20:25:22] | lxs-makoto: | underclocked to 2.0 is still ok? |
| [20:25:36] | wagnerrp: | grab an nvidia graphics card, and between hardware decoding (VDPAU) and that chip |
| [20:25:41] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt have any problems |
| [20:25:46] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital output? |
| [20:25:53] | lxs-makoto: | analog |
| [20:26:03] | lxs-makoto: | although the monitor should take digital |
| [20:26:08] | wagnerrp: | then youll need an old 8 or 9 series card |
| [20:26:11] | lxs-makoto: | i havent tested it cos i broke the monitor |
| [20:26:16] | wagnerrp: | older ones dont have hardware decoding |
| [20:26:21] | wagnerrp: | newer ones dont have analog tv outputs |
| [20:26:29] | lxs-makoto: | ohh |
| [20:26:37] | wagnerrp: | although you might be able to get by with vga/scart on a newer card |
| [20:26:38] | lxs-makoto: | i thought you meant analog as in vga |
| [20:26:52] | lxs-makoto: | thers no analog tv signals here. just vga |
| [20:27:14] | wagnerrp: | a GT210 is probably going to be the cheapest card to consider using |
| [20:27:21] | wagnerrp: | you can find them around here for <$30 |
| [20:28:18] | lxs-makoto: | like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300572324928 |
| [20:28:18] | wagnerrp: | also note that if youre running that dual-dual netburst system non-stop |
| [20:28:34] | wagnerrp: | you would make up the cost of a new machine in power savings fairly quickly |
| [20:29:06] | lxs-makoto: | LOL |
| [20:29:14] | wagnerrp: | since its going to have less power than a mid to high end AthII X2 or Core i3 |
| [20:29:14] | lxs-makoto: | yeah, but i'd lose my heater! |
| [20:29:22] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [20:30:04] | wagnerrp: | that will work, but ive never been one for buying hardware on ebay that can still be found in stores |
| [20:31:49] | lxs-makoto: | problem is I don't know of any decent pc stores near me, all the rest are trying to rip clueless users off. |
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| [20:39:59] | wagnerrp: | no online retailers? |
| [20:40:20] | wagnerrp: | brick and mortar pc stores everywhere try to rip off clueless users |
| [20:40:33] | wagnerrp: | its the price you pay to be able to get something right now |
| [20:50:13] | lxs-makoto: | it works out cheaper to buy the one from ebay |
| [20:50:45] | lxs-makoto: | ok maybe not.. |
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| [20:51:13] | lxs-makoto: | http://www.shop.bt.com/products/evga-geforce- . . . mi-7KC9.html |
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| [21:32:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: The host is where the artwork lives |
| [21:32:21] | iamlindoro: | so it's needed to build a functioning myth:// image url |
| [21:33:03] | iamlindoro: | The host will always be the MBE now, I guess the host column could technically be dropped at this point |
| [21:33:18] | wagnerrp: | actually, i was confused |
| [21:33:28] | wagnerrp: | i had manually set the key to inetref,season,host |
| [21:33:51] | wagnerrp: | right now, the database table has no key of its own |
| [21:34:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I experimented with it but had some issues... there should only be one row per inetref per season |
| [21:34:39] | wagnerrp: | right now, the classes are autoconfigured based off what columns the database uses for its primary keys |
| [21:34:49] | wagnerrp: | and i had incorrectly thought the same was going on in this case |
| [21:34:57] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [21:36:25] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ive got the stuff i wanted (or rdv wanted) all written |
| [21:36:33] | wagnerrp: | just need to do a once-over and commit it |
| [21:37:09] | iamlindoro: | Some retard with WMC has had failed HDHR Prime recording issues and is soliciting people to start a class action lawsuit against SiliconDust... on their forums |
| [21:37:44] | wagnerrp: | a class action suit? for what purpose? |
| [21:38:30] | iamlindoro: | TO MAKE THE BASTARDS PAY |
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| [21:40:31] | iamlindoro: | Really, though, it's pretty pathetic and makes me glad we accept no money for MythTV... people expect us to be their slaves enough as it is |
| [21:41:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe they can pay with a refund |
| [21:41:27] | wagnerrp: | i know what it is |
| [21:41:51] | wagnerrp: | hes suing for loss of consortion |
| [21:42:08] | wagnerrp: | his wife wont sleep with him because he didnt record her 'stories' |
| [21:42:40] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:42:59] | iamlindoro: | Myth forums are dead over there, everyone happily recording TV... so I find myself scouring the WMC ones |
| [21:43:18] | ** stoth grins ** | |
| [21:43:46] | iamlindoro: | You know, good ol' superior WMC where you can have a max of one recording system, and four tuners, and any frontend you want as long as it's an Xbox |
| [21:44:07] | ** iamlindoro admits to being somewhat spoiled as a part of the Copy Freely elite ** | |
| [21:44:59] | iamlindoro: | and by elite, I mean "a customer of anyone but Cox and TWC" |
| [21:45:28] | stoth: | cablevision are a mixed bad 50/50 copy freely |
| [21:45:36] | stoth: | cox all locked up also? |
| [21:46:24] | wagnerrp: | from reports so far |
| [21:46:30] | stoth: | boo |
| [21:46:32] | iamlindoro: | yeah, from what I've heard |
| [21:46:43] | iamlindoro: | FIOS, Comcast, and RCN appear to be the All-stars so far |
| [21:46:46] | stoth: | is TWC completely locked up or are the networks done freely? |
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| [21:46:58] | iamlindoro: | 100% |
| [21:46:58] | wagnerrp: | sadly, insight got bought out, so im soon to join the ranks of timewarner |
| [21:47:13] | stoth: | oooh, that's gotta hurt. |
| [21:47:40] | wagnerrp: | 'viewing or listening conflict – mdebusschere' |
| [21:47:52] | wagnerrp: | WTF did he put his own username in the thread title? |
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| [21:48:05] | stoth: | one failed recording in myth with a prime. Not bad all things considered. |
| [21:48:31] | iamlindoro: | stoth: Is that on a channel with CGMS turned on? ie, CBS, CW, Sometimes Fox? |
| [21:48:45] | stoth: | iamlindoro: no. Just a zero byte recording. |
| [21:49:03] | stoth: | I have some background logging turned on. I'll go back and look at the state of the tuners at that time. |
| [21:49:16] | stoth: | (cron jobs to monitor the prime tuners, cci, stream stats etc) |
| [21:49:19] | wagnerrp: | will zero byte files result from a recording with copy protection? |
| [21:49:33] | stoth: | Not in my case. I usually get 376B recordings |
| [21:49:40] | stoth: | uf the CCI is wrong |
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| [21:50:09] | iamlindoro: | It'll be 0 if it's CGMS |
| [21:50:17] | iamlindoro: | or if the channel map on the Prime went wonky |
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| [21:51:10] | wagnerrp: | right, but the channel map should be configured using the same mechanism as the official cable boxes, right? |
| [21:51:23] | iamlindoro: | Sort of |
| [21:51:38] | iamlindoro: | The prime is responsible for caching it for an interval specified by cablelabs |
| [21:51:46] | iamlindoro: | except many broadcasters tend not to send it often enough |
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| [21:52:00] | iamlindoro: | So newer firmwares extend that caching quite a bit |
| [21:52:42] | wagnerrp: | why would you contact an attorney general to start a class action suit? |
| [21:52:48] | wagnerrp: | the state doesnt care about your problems |
| [21:52:52] | stoth: | hmm. That's interesting. My logs show the show (9am today) was copy freely, streaming fine from the prime but was a 0 byte recording. |
| [21:53:12] | iamlindoro: | stoth: how could the logs show it as copy freely? |
| [21:53:13] | wagnerrp: | mmm... saturday morning cartoons |
| [21:53:18] | wagnerrp: | i remember when those were worth watching |
| [21:53:20] | iamlindoro: | the CCI status doesn't appear in the prime log |
| [21:53:28] | stoth: | yes it does |
| [21:53:34] | stoth: | if you know what to look for. |
| [21:54:11] | stoth: | which is handy. I scripted a bunch of things for my cableco to scan all their channels and disable them in the guide if I got no reliable access. |
| [21:54:19] | iamlindoro: | stoth: show me an excerpt |
| [21:54:23] | stoth: | so myth web only shows stuff I actually have access to. |
| [21:54:33] | stoth: | vch=763 name=TRVLH auth=unspecified cci=none cgms=none |
| [21:54:36] | wagnerrp: | 'course its not like there wasnt garbage back then, what with power rangers and street sharks and... BATTLE TOADS! |
| [21:54:47] | iamlindoro: | stoth: that's not present in a normal verbosity prime log |
| [21:55:08] | stoth: | iamlindoro: do you have a prime handy? |
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| [21:55:33] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [21:55:46] | iamlindoro: | 20110927–00:01:29 CableCARD: vchannel 53 (339MHz-11) access = subscribed |
| [21:55:52] | iamlindoro: | is the only thing present when a channel is tuned |
| [21:56:01] | stoth: | Ahh, you're looking at the web log. That's not what I mean. |
| [21:56:05] | iamlindoro: | Now it's possible you get the rest when you turn on debugging |
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| [21:57:49] | stoth: | Actually, that's odd, the show immediately following on same channel shows: |
| [21:57:58] | stoth: | vch=763 name=TRVLH auth=subscribed cci=unrestricted cgms=n/a |
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| [21:58:22] | stoth: | The failed show was the first of the day. I think the card took a brain fart overnight. |
| [21:58:56] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I only ask for more info as it's officially the first 0 byte prime recording not attributable to CGMS or CCI that I've heard of |
| [21:59:00] | iamlindoro: | (with myth, anyway) |
| [21:59:11] | iamlindoro: | but if it's the card or the prime, that makes more sense |
| [21:59:40] | stoth: | It's the first one I've seen. I've been recording fairly reliable for a week or so. |
| [22:00:04] | iamlindoro: | cool |
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| [22:01:01] | stoth: | iamlindoro: Question. Before each prime recording, is the channel always set (thus tuned) regardless? |
| [22:01:32] | stoth: | iamlindoro: or is their any assumptions about re-using the last frequency inside myth? |
| [22:01:39] | iamlindoro: | yes, for all myth recordings on any device bar live TV |
| [22:01:49] | stoth: | thx |
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| [22:02:33] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:03:53] | stoth: | iamlindoro: Anyway. As long as you have subscription access to a channel you can query the CCI bits indirectly using the hdhomerun_config tool |
| [22:04:09] | stoth: | get /tunerX/vstatus |
| [22:04:27] | stoth: | (and cgms etc) |
| [22:05:11] | iamlindoro: | sure, I know that, but I wouldn't consider that a log |
| [22:05:23] | iamlindoro: | rather the result of a query |
| [22:05:32] | stoth: | I'd consider it a log when I use cron to collect and store it. |
| [22:05:43] | iamlindoro: | sure... a cron log ;) |
| [22:06:24] | stoth: | "My logs show the show (9am today)……" you assume I meant the weblog I guess ;) |
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