| Tuesday, October 4th, 2011, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:57] | jm|laptop: | compile on 1.4GHz powerpc is sloooow |
| [00:02:53] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [00:02:54] | wagnerrp: | just wait until you try to play anything |
| [00:02:58] | ** jm|laptop looks for a turbo button ** | |
| [00:03:07] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: will be headless backend :) |
| [00:03:37] | wagnerrp: | good thing you only have the one tuner |
| [00:03:45] | jm|laptop: | er |
| [00:04:24] | jm|laptop: | hmm how do I make lsusb list by hub? |
| [00:05:05] | jm|laptop: | maybe `man` |
| [00:06:23] | jm|laptop: | oh good. It IS on an USB2 hub |
| [00:08:19] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: am I right in thinking that mythtv uses a 'fixed' ffmpeg? |
| [00:08:29] | jm|laptop: | where the libav* libraries aren't broken |
| [00:08:39] | wagnerrp: | broken? |
| [00:08:45] | jm|laptop: | hmm |
| [00:09:00] | jm|laptop: | I read they might be broken in Debian stable |
| [00:10:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses its own internal version of the ffmpeg libraries |
| [00:10:35] | jm|laptop: | why? |
| [00:10:42] | jm|laptop: | </2yo> |
| [00:11:14] | wagnerrp: | because ffmpeg frequently changes their api |
| [00:11:26] | iamlindoro: | because we need numerous modifications to them to support features which are necessary for a DVR, and for features like MHEG, which upstream cannot or will not accept |
| [00:11:29] | wagnerrp: | so, we use our internal version so we dont have to program for a moving target |
| [00:11:30] | jm|laptop: | but Fabrice is such a nice guy! |
| [00:11:41] | iamlindoro: | Fabrice hasn't been a part of ffmpeg is years |
| [00:11:44] | iamlindoro: | er in |
| [00:11:55] | jm|laptop: | :) |
| [00:12:16] | wagnerrp: | well, he was part enough to snag the website back earlier this year |
| [00:12:37] | iamlindoro: | Michael is the ffmpeg lead, fabrice just had the rights to the site |
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| [00:15:32] | jm|laptop: | zomg 1400MHz is so slow I want to die. How did we manage at 33MHz ?! |
| [00:15:40] | jm|laptop: | or indeed 1Hz on my Spectrum 48K |
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| [00:16:01] | ** jm|laptop reckons 640K will be enough for anyone ** | |
| [00:17:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the other problem, there is no longer one single ffmpeg |
| [00:18:05] | wagnerrp: | theres ffmpeg, and libav |
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| [00:35:39] | k-man: | jm|laptop, 1Hz? |
| [00:35:49] | k-man: | 1kHz maybe? |
| [00:36:37] | wagnerrp: | no, 1MHz |
| [00:37:07] | k-man: | wagnerrp, yeah, god my brain is shot this morning |
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| [00:46:39] | jm|laptop: | no 1Hz |
| [00:46:51] | jm|laptop: | 1 cycle per second on the Spectrum |
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| [00:48:09] | iamlindoro: | The very first, and slowest, spectrum was 3.5 Mhz |
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| [00:48:27] | jm|laptop: | what was the rubbery one? |
| [00:48:29] | iamlindoro: | only off by 3.5 million |
| [00:48:44] | iamlindoro: | wel, only off by 3,499,999, technically |
| [00:48:47] | wagnerrp: | or... 3.499999 |
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| [00:49:23] | jm|laptop: | Z80 assembly was fun |
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| [00:49:27] | iamlindoro: | The rubbery one was 3.5 Mhz |
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| [00:49:36] | iamlindoro: | and the 48K was if you were a high roller ;) |
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| [00:49:54] | jm|laptop: | I had microdrives and everything |
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| [00:50:05] | jm|laptop: | two! |
| [00:50:12] | jm|laptop: | Interface 1, innit |
| [00:50:31] | jm|laptop: | PRINT *"n",1,"hello iamlindoro" |
| [00:50:51] | wagnerrp: | wow! a several hundred MB 1" drive on an old spectrum zx? |
| [00:50:53] | jm|laptop: | network over 3.5mm stereo jack |
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| [00:51:38] | jm|laptop: | LOAD *"m",2,"wagnerrp" CODE 16384 |
| [00:51:46] | k-man: | my older cousin had a ZX80 |
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| [00:51:59] | k-man: | with a whopping 1k of ram |
| [00:53:45] | k-man: | I started with a BBC micro |
| [00:54:03] | k-man: | 1.8Mhz iirc, with 32k of ram |
| [00:54:12] | k-man: | 6502 cpu |
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| [01:10:53] | styelz: | aaaaargh |
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| [01:11:38] | iamlindoro: | relax, it's good for you |
| [01:11:46] | iamlindoro: | I didn't like any of those people anyway |
| [01:11:47] | styelz: | ;D |
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| [01:14:06] | iamlindoro: | oh thank go, I've missed you all so |
| [01:14:12] | iamlindoro: | How dare you leave me here with THEM |
| [01:14:38] | ** iamlindoro is going to play a fun game tonight ** | |
| [01:14:55] | iamlindoro: | it's called "Can I build a basic third party frontend based on the services API before my laptop battery runs out |
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| [01:19:54] | jm|laptop: | :( |
| [01:20:14] | jm|laptop: | so I was all excited that my backend built |
| [01:20:24] | jm|laptop: | but now I get this: mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/libmythui-0.24.so.0: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0e8e4d5c for symbol `malloc' out of range |
| [01:20:34] | jm|laptop: | and I'm too stupid to understand it |
| [01:23:43] | jm|laptop: | # file /usr/local/lib/libmythui-0.24.so.0.24.0 |
| [01:23:43] | jm|laptop: | /usr/local/lib/libmythui-0.24.so.0.24.0: ELF 32-bit MSB shared object, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x9cdab67d18ee3845965b7616324823e96c4906f7, with unknown capability 0x41000000 = 0x13676e75, with unknown capability 0x10000 = 0xb0401, stripped |
| [01:25:12] | jm|laptop: | Your search – "for symbol `malloc' out of range" mythtv – did not match any documents. |
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| [02:19:15] | [R]: | WAWAWEWO |
| [02:19:18] | [R]: | $50 for a CEC box |
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| [02:21:22] | wagnerrp: | i saw an ad for house earlier tonight |
| [02:21:40] | wagnerrp: | house is in prison, and gets thrown against a cinder block wall |
| [02:21:57] | wagnerrp: | the wall deflects under the load, and shifts sideways |
| [02:22:41] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:22:49] | [R]: | maybe if you watch the whole episode |
| [02:22:51] | [R]: | it would make sense |
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| [03:02:52] | nvzn: | hi, it seems my frontend is getting stuck sometimes, can't do much, ESC doesn't even work. I can do ctrl-alt-f[1–6] and get a terminal but that's about it |
| [03:02:57] | nvzn: | it gets stuck on a channel |
| [03:03:00] | nvzn: | during livetv |
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| [03:13:13] | nvzn: | bbiab |
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| [03:15:27] | k-man: | what is a CEC box? |
| [03:15:38] | wagnerrp: | consumer electronics control |
| [03:16:30] | k-man: | oh, some sort of remote control device? |
| [03:17:44] | wagnerrp: | over HDMI |
| [03:17:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning... your computer uses the IR sensor on your TV |
| [03:33:17] | clever: | only time ive seen it really doing anything big, is when the ps3 hijacks the remote |
| [03:33:47] | clever: | and 90% of the time, its doing more harm then good, the HDMI input switch isnt doing CEC right, so the ps3 is constantly turning on when it isnt the active input |
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| [03:43:12] | nvzn: | http://pastebin.com/XEuRjk0Q |
| [03:43:45] | nvzn: | I'm wondering if these logs have something to do with my backend getting stuck on a channel |
| [03:43:48] | nvzn: | in livetv |
| [03:44:53] | nvzn: | is everyone watching tv? |
| [03:46:24] | wagnerrp: | recorded tv |
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| [03:49:58] | nvzn: | ok i'll check back later... |
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| [04:01:49] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ah, thanks for the info, if it "Works(TM)" it sounds very good |
| [04:03:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont thin nvzn got my hint |
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| [05:12:53] | wagnerrp: | you know... this mythtv-contractors seems to have been much of a failure so far |
| [05:13:54] | wagnerrp: | i havent seen any indication that there have been any takers to any of the proposed projects |
| [05:21:22] | iamlindoro: | There you go, functional Services API frontend in an evening. Rough, but functional. http://www.fecitfacta.com/mtvotg.png |
| [05:22:23] | wagnerrp: | looks around the same capability of the old windows 'mythtv player'? |
| [05:22:35] | iamlindoro: | Except not faking the protocol |
| [05:22:49] | iamlindoro: | and actually using the HTTP service to serve the content, too |
| [05:23:02] | wagnerrp: | well, there is that... :) |
| [05:23:14] | wagnerrp: | can you seek in the http streams? |
| [05:23:17] | iamlindoro: | I ran out of battery before I could add preview image, coverart, etc. |
| [05:23:19] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [05:25:35] | iamlindoro: | Tomorrow I'll add preview images, format the dates, and all that good stuff |
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| [05:40:03] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: still in? |
| [05:40:42] | iamlindoro: | for a sec |
| [05:40:45] | iamlindoro: | almost bedtime |
| [05:40:57] | wagnerrp: | im writing up the grabber path patch |
| [05:41:19] | wagnerrp: | do you want the shared directory prepended as its used? or as its pulled from the database? |
| [05:42:01] | iamlindoro: | Either way seems fine |
| [05:42:11] | iamlindoro: | I can look at the patch when you've got it done up |
| [05:42:24] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [05:43:27] | wagnerrp: | from the database seems easier, easier to grep for anyway |
| [05:43:47] | wagnerrp: | plus it sidesteps the issue of some of these commands pulling an address, rather than a straight qstring |
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| [06:49:50] | iamlindoro: | There we go: http://www.fecitfacta.com/mtvotg.png |
| [06:49:54] | iamlindoro: | Now off to bed for real |
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| [06:54:04] | justinh: | iamlindoro: ! – but – to be a proper 3rd party frontend program it has to crash the backend periodically. You know that, right ? ;-) |
| [06:54:54] | wagnerrp: | well theres a patch from way way back we can revert |
| [06:55:07] | wagnerrp: | segfaults on certain Service calls |
| [06:55:28] | justinh: | ah cool. be just like the old days with er.. whatever it was called that I only got working once |
| [06:56:35] | justinh: | well, this product validation I've been asked to do is going to end sooner than I thought. Working through the list of tests & it's failing most of em |
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| [06:57:15] | justinh: | audio is out of sync with video, by random amounts. recorded audio is clipped, and the chunk size is audible |
| [06:57:53] | justinh: | alarms don't work. telemetry doesn't work... we supposedly released this version of code already. LOL |
| [06:58:14] | justinh: | yeah I know, doing validation after release. we're good |
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| [07:09:40] | justinh: | FFS why have we bothered with camera mirroring? |
| [07:10:05] | wagnerrp: | mirroring? like flipping on the vertical axis? |
| [07:10:23] | justinh: | yeah |
| [07:11:04] | justinh: | our customers ask for some crazy stuff |
| [07:11:29] | justinh: | if I was them though I'd be asking for fundamentals – like please can I have a unit which runs 24/7 without rebooting? |
| [07:12:18] | wagnerrp: | you never know when you may need to flip the image, and enhance |
| [07:12:44] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGeAu2RQcmw |
| [07:13:06] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGeAu2RQcmw |
| [07:15:30] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [07:16:33] | justinh: | MOAR ZOOM |
| [07:19:31] | wagnerrp: | horray for castle... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaMdXjTn9rc |
| [07:20:25] | wagnerrp: | and of course... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjuV7kRpFQ |
| [07:21:19] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [07:21:25] | justinh: | still funny without audio |
| [07:33:41] | wagnerrp: | heh... reading through this file, im finding all the 'PIRATE ERROR's |
| [07:34:31] | justinh: | is that when mythtv finds files with suspicious filenames? |
| [07:34:53] | justinh: | yaharrrrrrrrrr, there be files with group names in teh storage groups. Arrrrrr |
| [07:35:23] | wagnerrp: | nah, mythtv tries to parse XBMC's nfo format |
| [07:35:55] | justinh: | they picked .nfo ? |
| [07:35:57] | justinh: | sigh |
| [07:35:58] | wagnerrp: | except nfos are also carried as generic text files as an identifier for some pirated content |
| [07:36:25] | justinh: | apparently they're also an MS file format |
| [07:36:27] | wagnerrp: | so if it cant parse the specific format used by XBMC, it presumes its the latter, and throws up a "PIRATE ERROR" |
| [07:36:37] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:36:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, some kind of system information file |
| [07:36:52] | justinh: | microsoft system info, or something |
| [07:44:52] | justinh: | hahaha. fugly HTPCs http://pulse-eight.com/store/products/107-pul . . . atre-pc.aspx |
| [07:45:00] | justinh: | with 'seemless integration' |
| [07:45:45] | wagnerrp: | thats ok, thats why they make the CEC module so you can hide it in another room, and push IR data from the TV |
| [07:46:40] | justinh: | I don't think it works that way in this case |
| [07:47:02] | justinh: | they only say have xbmc control all your hdmi connected stuff |
| [07:47:17] | justinh: | oh wait |
| [07:47:31] | justinh: | "Likewise these same devices can tell XBMC what to do, for example, your TV remote can also control XBMC, or vice versa. " Ah |
| [07:47:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they say both directions |
| [07:47:44] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how big that thing actually is |
| [07:47:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean it looks like a full size ATX case |
| [07:47:57] | justinh: | it's not a bad price for a bit of kit that prolly costs them £10 to make |
| [07:47:59] | wagnerrp: | but it only has a little mini-itx board in it |
| [07:48:16] | justinh: | I don't think I've ever seen a HTPC case that ugly |
| [07:48:21] | justinh: | not a ready made one anyway |
| [07:49:58] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the input line even has the CEC wire connected |
| [07:51:36] | justinh: | in what? |
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| [07:51:42] | justinh: | oh in the adapter |
| [07:52:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, electronically, i dont know if that link is such that you can T into it |
| [07:52:11] | wagnerrp: | or if the devices are all daisy chained |
| [07:52:25] | justinh: | it's like I2C |
| [07:53:55] | justinh: | one wire, bidirectional. so not like I2C. Derrr |
| [07:53:59] | k-man: | do all hdmi tvs support CEC? |
| [07:54:15] | justinh: | good God, it's been around a long time |
| [07:54:37] | wagnerrp: | k-man: kinda |
| [07:54:44] | justinh: | k-man: I assume so, and also assume some do it better than others |
| [07:54:46] | wagnerrp: | most of the major brands have their own name for it |
| [07:54:52] | justinh: | also assume there's no 'standard' |
| [07:55:00] | wagnerrp: | how well they interface with devices outside their own brand... |
| [07:55:17] | justinh: | so the grand old idea of TV talks to bluray talks to STB talks to AV amp... great – if they're all the same brand... maybe |
| [07:55:25] | wagnerrp: | they have a track record of not playing well with others |
| [07:55:26] | k-man: | can linux receive CEC signals down the hdmi cable? |
| [07:55:41] | justinh: | no, not without that CEC-USB adapter |
| [07:56:18] | justinh: | apparently some HDMI VGA cards support *some* parts of the protocol |
| [07:56:34] | justinh: | but for £20... you can't really go wrong |
| [07:56:56] | k-man: | justinh, do you have a link to one of these boxes? |
| [07:57:16] | k-man: | oh, nm, google supplied one |
| [07:57:23] | justinh: | you could always try lashing up your own with the USB CEC comms chip – hack up an HDMI cable – safe to do so because the CEC signal isn't high speed :) |
| [07:57:55] | k-man: | so... does that mean you put the box inline with the hdmi cable between the TV and the computer? |
| [07:58:05] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [07:59:41] | justinh: | heh somebody's cooked an arduino to do it |
| [07:59:49] | k-man: | justinh, url? |
| [08:00:14] | k-man: | CEC is cool, video card manufacturers are uncool for not supporting it fully yet |
| [08:01:03] | justinh: | http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4222722315_1b2b46de82_o.png |
| [08:01:29] | k-man: | so assuming you get this device, plug it into your computer etc etc. does that mean you can do things like adjust TV volume, or power on/off the tv via the CEC box? |
| [08:01:49] | wagnerrp: | presumably |
| [08:01:56] | justinh: | http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1261237176/7#7 |
| [08:02:17] | wagnerrp: | in theory, it should be one big network tree |
| [08:02:33] | wagnerrp: | so you should be able to communicate with the dvd player and cable box connected through the tv |
| [08:03:46] | k-man: | and how mature are the tools for actually driving your TV from linux? |
| [08:03:54] | justinh: | not very |
| [08:04:00] | wagnerrp: | they have a custom library |
| [08:04:04] | justinh: | libcec. It's GPL anyway |
| [08:05:18] | k-man: | it sounds like its a really cool idea waiting for someone tto do something with it |
| [08:06:36] | k-man: | oh at least libcec is getting commits |
| [08:06:36] | justinh: | not waiting. XBMC are all over it |
| [08:07:21] | k-man: | oh right, thats good |
| [08:07:55] | justinh: | not really. it's XBMC :P |
| [08:08:30] | k-man: | well – I was going to ask what on earth is it that people like about xbmc but then I realised no one here will know the answer ;) |
| [08:09:22] | justinh: | you can see all your media in a directory as one big list (TM) |
| [08:09:35] | wagnerrp: | for something that only plays videos you already have, its pretty good |
| [08:09:46] | justinh: | or with a mythtv plugin, you can see all your recordings as one big list (TM) |
| [08:10:00] | k-man: | correct me if I'm wrong but isn't plex based on xbmc? |
| [08:10:22] | justinh: | and if you're used to navigating around a mythtv system it'll be utterly confusing. how do I get BACK? |
| [08:10:25] | justinh: | yes |
| [08:11:16] | justinh: | strictly speaking they forked it quite a while ago AFAIK |
| [08:11:24] | k-man: | yeah a friend of mine loves plex – he obtains his content from you know where and swears by it |
| [08:11:28] | justinh: | so they're probably not much alike these days |
| [08:11:31] | k-man: | personally I don't see the need |
| [08:11:37] | justinh: | see. The choice of pirates |
| [08:12:06] | justinh: | they don't even have to rename files cos the program filters out the dodgy parts of filenames when it parses |
| [08:12:24] | justinh: | and it'll even play .rar files – from pieces of rar files if you want |
| [08:12:27] | k-man: | yeah, I saw all that when he showed me plex |
| [08:12:35] | k-man: | wow |
| [08:12:58] | k-man: | I think the authors of rar probably do a lot of the releasing |
| [08:13:03] | k-man: | why else would anyone use rar? |
| [08:13:06] | justinh: | though *why* in hell people compress video files to rar, then cut the rar into pieces & put them into a torrent... that's just retarded in the extreme |
| [08:13:08] | k-man: | except to drive sales of rar |
| [08:13:22] | justinh: | people *buy* rar? LOL |
| [08:13:32] | k-man: | justinh, isn't that because the original releases came from nntp? |
| [08:13:48] | justinh: | probably, but how much effort would it be to just seed the big file? retards! |
| [08:14:10] | k-man: | I agree |
| [08:14:11] | k-man: | hehe |
| [08:14:17] | wagnerrp: | but... then youre not maintaining the chain from the release group |
| [08:14:31] | wagnerrp: | and then, you cant get credit for being the first to upload the content from the release group |
| [08:14:36] | k-man: | oh, I see, is that a no no in that world? |
| [08:14:42] | justinh: | lol. RETARDS |
| [08:14:57] | k-man: | so the release groups don't do the uploading? |
| [08:15:03] | justinh: | so, if you don't – presumably flying monkeys will be sent for you |
| [08:15:55] | justinh: | or a similar fate. people find out where you live, cracking every wifi connection they find until they've located your house. And then.. BAM! |
| [08:16:20] | justinh: | or they just post that you're GHEY on some forum or other. |
| [08:17:11] | justinh: | initially I thought matroska video was going to be like nested rar files. I dunno how I could possibly have got that impression ;) |
| [08:17:30] | k-man: | matriska is good imho |
| [08:18:14] | justinh: | yeah but when I first saw the name I thought "ruh?" ;-) |
| [08:19:08] | justinh: | and it was the 1st video format to support FULLHDRIPZ@1080P (at up to 2MBit/sec probably) |
| [08:20:42] | justinh: | I always think it's funny when The Register review media player tech. They always test it with 'a range of material'. Some of their screenshots make it very clear where they're getting the 'material' |
| [08:22:37] | k-man: | justinh, do you remember a similar attempt a while back called rat or DVD rat? |
| [08:23:35] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:23:37] | k-man: | my googleing doesn't reveal it, must have been at least 10 years ago |
| [08:24:00] | justinh: | dvdrat.ca |
| [08:24:06] | k-man: | oh, here it is |
| [08:24:11] | k-man: | http://ratdvd.ca |
| [08:25:45] | k-man: | oh, looks likes its a codec too |
| [08:26:22] | k-man: | copyright 2004 on the site |
| [08:26:32] | justinh: | codecs. Oh, the fun. Installing codecs |
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| [08:27:05] | justinh: | remind me, what does a codec do again? Oh yeah. Riddle your machine with trojans, disguised as a method of playing videos of dubious origin |
| [08:27:27] | k-man: | justinh, yeah thats it |
| [08:27:37] | justinh: | glad I'm a reformed character now. I'll never get back all the time I wasted watching utterly dire films |
| [08:29:50] | justinh: | "but it was free!". LOL. Idiot |
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| [08:52:10] | quicksilver: | are these VGA -> TV convertors you can now buy cheaply on amazon any good? |
| [08:52:26] | quicksilver: | I need to replace my frontend's motherboard and my TV is only analog inputs |
| [08:52:34] | quicksilver: | analog TV out cards seem rare now :( |
| [08:52:42] | esperegu: | how to scan on a wintv pvr usb2? I have also a dvb-s2 card that is functional and when I press scan for channels when in the screen of the pvr it actually shows me scanning of dvb-s |
| [08:52:43] | wagnerrp: | get a discrete card |
| [08:53:26] | laga_: | esperegu: analog scanning has been removed AFAIK |
| [08:53:39] | esperegu: | laga_: how to do that then? |
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| [08:54:18] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: seems quite hard to find cards with analog TV out |
| [08:54:25] | laga_: | in the us, use schedulesdirect. in europe, use mythfilldatabase --manual --preset --max-days 1 |
| [08:54:37] | laga_: | gotta run |
| [08:55:03] | wagnerrp: | quicksilver: old 8 or 9 series nvidia card |
| [08:55:27] | esperegu: | hmmm. isnt that just for the guide? |
| [08:55:37] | quicksilver: | *nod* |
| [08:58:23] | esperegu: | anybody knows how to set up analog tv? |
| [08:59:42] | k-man: | esperegu, what do you mean by set up? |
| [09:00:00] | esperegu: | k-man: I supose I somehow need to scan for the channels? |
| [09:00:35] | esperegu: | k-man: or get them in manually. but I have no idea how. I remembered it as pretty straightforward. but now it won't scan for channels |
| [09:01:05] | k-man: | oh, I see, in mythtv-setup there is a channel scanner |
| [09:01:53] | esperegu: | k-man: yes. but when I select channel scan on the source it does not give me the scan for analog tv but for dvb-s |
| [09:02:19] | k-man: | esperegu, oh, I see. I'm not sure about that, sorry |
| [09:02:30] | k-man: | esperegu, did it find your tuner device? |
| [09:03:42] | esperegu: | k-man: yes |
| [09:03:46] | esperegu: | I just found online: |
| [09:03:47] | esperegu: | The analog channel scanner was effectively removed from the product |
| [09:03:47] | esperegu: | before 0.22 was released, since it was known to be broken. You |
| [09:03:47] | esperegu: | managed to find the code path which allowed you to try functionality |
| [09:03:47] | esperegu: | that was meant to be disabled completely. |
| [09:04:53] | k-man: | esperegu, sorry, its beyond me, I can't help you |
| [09:05:06] | k-man: | stick around though, I'm sure someone here will be able to answer you |
| [09:06:12] | esperegu: | thx. quick reboot =) |
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| [09:28:40] | justinh: | apparently some people are running nvidia GT2XX cards with VGA-RGB |
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| [09:45:54] | styelz: | old skewl |
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| [09:52:41] | hashbang: | morning, all |
| [09:53:49] | hashbang: | justinh: I couldn't get my GT240 working with VGA/RGB SCART, so dropped back to a 7600GS (which works with the exact same xorg.conf and drivers) |
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| [10:05:19] | justinh: | hashbang: what was up? people on the ML said they managed it using xrandr to define a mode rather than xorg.conf – for which nvidia driver say "wah wahhhhhhhhh" |
| [10:05:31] | justinh: | stupid modeline validation |
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| [10:05:48] | hashbang: | justinh: no, I got it accepting the modeline, and X started, but there was no visible output |
| [10:05:56] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:06:01] | hashbang: | switched video card, with no further changes, JFWed. |
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| [10:06:31] | justinh: | I might switch to nvidia anyway, just so I can use opengl video rendering |
| [10:07:33] | hashbang: | justinh: I'm predisposed not to like nVidia, not least because of their "no docs for driver programmers" policy, but I begrudgingly admit their cards and drivers do work quite well. |
| [10:09:35] | justinh: | intel sucks on linux |
| [10:09:38] | justinh: | and on windows |
| [10:09:56] | justinh: | "but their drivers are fully open". Yeah, fat lot of frickin use that is |
| [10:10:01] | justinh: | they don't bloody work |
| [10:10:15] | hashbang: | ditto ATI |
| [10:10:21] | hashbang: | (IME, at least) |
| [10:10:25] | justinh: | yup |
| [10:10:34] | justinh: | and SiS etc... HAHAHAHAHA |
| [10:10:41] | hashbang: | in theory, nVidia drivers should be the worst of the lot, but in practice, they seem to be the best |
| [10:10:43] | justinh: | so it's nvidia or nvidia |
| [10:10:58] | hashbang: | PITA when you want to report a kernel bug, though |
| [10:11:17] | justinh: | nope. in theory, the non-reverse engineered by people in their spare time, who know the product inside out driver, will always win |
| [10:11:49] | justinh: | it's still not much use even ATI releasing all those docs they dropped on the community |
| [10:12:19] | justinh: | ok it's a step up from having to peek inside registers on a windows box but... |
| [10:12:41] | hashbang: | well, I meant by in "with enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" theory... |
| [10:12:51] | justinh: | there will never be enough eyes |
| [10:13:20] | hashbang: | It seems that way |
| [10:13:32] | hashbang: | I'm rather less idealistic about FOSS these days |
| [10:13:33] | justinh: | how many people in the world have the chops to understand driver code? GPU driver code? |
| [10:13:39] | justinh: | code? |
| [10:13:53] | justinh: | ok then, run something under GDB? |
| [10:13:53] | hashbang: | sometimes it works better, sometimes it doesn't... |
| [10:14:10] | justinh: | yeah but they at least fix it eventually |
| [10:14:37] | hashbang: | justinh: and then, when you've found a user who can do all that, getting someone to actually look at that user's bug report and do something with it... |
| [10:15:03] | justinh: | I think the majority of people want stuff to just work (TM) |
| [10:15:05] | ** hashbang has lost track of the number of freedesktop, RH/bugzilla bugs he has that are still in NEW state after years ** | |
| [10:15:19] | justinh: | they're not really bothered where anything comes from |
| [10:15:55] | hashbang: | and, *ahem* one doozy in MythTV too – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5943 |
| [10:16:07] | justinh: | oh no, I'm not having any potentially bad software on my box. what's that you say? No DVD playback? No mp3 playback? No smooth 3D ? |
| [10:18:03] | justinh: | if you want to be properly open source & a good citizen (anal purist) .. you can't do too much :P |
| [10:18:24] | justinh: | also, abandon use of soap, all who enter here |
| [10:18:47] | hashbang: | justinh: you're talking about rms and http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/HomePage again, aren't you?!? ;-) |
| [10:19:19] | justinh: | hey, I stood a fair number of feet away from the crowd at LRL.. and still caught a fair whiff |
| [10:19:41] | justinh: | I found the whole thing disgusting, and yet intriguing |
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| [10:21:44] | justinh: | NO GLX? LOL |
| [10:22:29] | justinh: | ah no. They got it back in |
| [10:22:54] | justinh: | once they'd set it 'free'. Or is it 'Free' ? Or 'FREE'? bloody pedants |
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| [11:01:18] | Ankhwatcher: | I set a username and password for mythweb when I was setting it up, but it doesn't ask me for it when I connect. |
| [11:01:46] | Ankhwatcher: | Anyone know why? |
| [11:05:23] | esperegu: | anyone experience with getting the wintv pvr usb2 analog capture card to work? |
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| [11:47:52] | justinh: | probably an incorrect apache configuration |
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| [12:03:44] | Ankhwatcher: | justinh: yeah, I really should have stuck with ubuntu server edition |
| [12:04:06] | Ankhwatcher: | I've been installing bits of lamp for a week now. |
| [12:04:42] | justinh: | or mythbuntu |
| [12:05:03] | justinh: | actually if you install mythbuntu-control-center it makes this stuff really easy |
| [12:05:24] | justinh: | though you may have to enable the use of their repos first |
| [12:05:44] | justinh: | which would generally be a better idea on plain ubuntu anyway, since you get a newer version |
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| [12:10:54] | Ankhwatcher: | This the right ppa? http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/69 |
| [12:11:40] | justinh: | they look pretty recent, but that won't get you mythbuntu-control-center |
| [12:12:29] | Ankhwatcher: | I gotta head |
| [12:12:39] | Ankhwatcher: | I'll turn off apache and sort this out later. |
| [12:12:55] | justinh: | oh wait.. looks like MCC is available in Universe |
| [12:13:08] | justinh: | http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package_metas?ex . . . ntrol-centre |
| [12:13:20] | justinh: | thought it was only a mythbuntu thing :-) |
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| [12:14:33] | Ankhwatcher: | sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-center |
| [12:14:33] | Ankhwatcher: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [12:14:33] | Ankhwatcher: | Building dependency tree |
| [12:14:33] | Ankhwatcher: | Reading state information... Done |
| [12:14:33] | Ankhwatcher: | E: Unable to locate package mythbuntu-control-center |
| [12:14:45] | Ankhwatcher: | oh |
| [12:14:48] | Ankhwatcher: | us spelling |
| [12:15:38] | Ankhwatcher: | now installed |
| [12:15:49] | Ankhwatcher: | How do I use it? |
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| [12:39:22] | justinh: | should be in your applications menu |
| [12:39:37] | justinh: | oh no |
| [12:39:42] | justinh: | preferences -> administration |
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| [12:43:29] | Ankhwatcher: | ah, not something I can use through my phone then. I'll play with it when I get home. |
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| [14:19:23] | justinh: | ha. What's worse than buying a house from Fred West? Sharing one with Amanda Knox |
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| [14:49:44] | captainunderpant: | hello |
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| [14:50:32] | wagnerrp: | good bye? |
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| [15:23:11] | toeb: | is it possible to send messages with newlines to the frontend? |
| [15:23:41] | wagnerrp: | try it out, see if it works |
| [15:23:57] | wagnerrp: | the current mythmessage is extremely basic |
| [15:24:14] | wagnerrp: | if it doesnt work, look into submitting a patch to support newlines |
| [15:24:21] | toeb: | i used the webinterface and the remotControl port |
| [15:24:47] | toeb: | i tried to include \n and <br /> and a lot of stuff... |
| [15:25:35] | wagnerrp: | web interface? |
| [15:25:48] | toeb: | the websetup thingi... |
| [15:26:06] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt aware mythweb was capable of sending messages |
| [15:26:25] | wagnerrp: | nor did i know the network control port had a message option either |
| [15:27:21] | wagnerrp: | 'message'... guess it does |
| [15:27:49] | toeb: | not mythweb, i mean http://backandserver:6544/ don't know whats the official name... a webinterface to setup the backend.. |
| [15:28:06] | toeb: | Utilities->SendMessage |
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| [15:31:24] | wagnerrp: | markk put it in, he would know best |
| [15:31:35] | wagnerrp: | although it seems there is currently no such support |
| [15:33:41] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to feed it an xml string |
| [15:34:55] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [15:35:04] | ** sid3windr uses that udp broadcast thingy tool that is/was included ** | |
| [15:35:35] | sid3windr: | I forgot what it's called :) |
| [15:36:14] | wagnerrp: | mythmessage? |
| [15:36:34] | sid3windr: | sounds like a likely candidate |
| [15:36:54] | wagnerrp: | or mythtvosd? |
| [15:38:08] | sid3windr: | I can't seem to remember how I set it up, heh |
| [15:38:30] | sid3windr: | anyway, there is or was this thingy that sends an udp packet to your frontend and displays a message on screen ;) |
| [15:38:34] | toeb: | sid3windr: and you send messages including linebreaks ? |
| [15:38:41] | sid3windr: | I don't think I do |
| [15:38:46] | sid3windr: | just one sntence |
| [15:38:53] | sid3windr: | "xyzzy has started recording on channel foo" |
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| [16:05:10] | Muzer: | I'm in the UK. I am shortly going to add a satellite tuner to my current DTT setup. I seem to remember reading that you must give a channel the same name and number for the software to view it as being identical. On the whole, satellite has a higher resolution and bitrate than DTT, so I would like recordings of higher priority to be recorded using the satellite receiver if possible schedule-wise – how do I tell MythTV |
| [16:05:10] | Muzer: | to do this, or will it be self-explanatory? |
| [16:05:54] | wagnerrp: | remove all your tuners, add the satellite tuner back first |
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| [16:16:54] | Muzer: | wagnerrp: OK, thanks. I was actually thinking of doing a complete reinstallation at some point (I don't want anything that is recorded, and I want to start again from scratch as I'll be able to get HD recordings of a lot of things), so that'll give me a nice excuse to do so. |
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| [16:22:05] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: theres no need to do a complete reinstall from scratch |
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| [16:22:24] | Muzer: | I know, but I'd like a clean install for multiple reasons |
| [16:22:25] | Muzer: | (those were just some of them) |
| [16:22:30] | wagnerrp: | removing your tuners, adding them back, and attaching the existing sources should take no more than a couple minutes |
| [16:22:30] | Muzer: | of the whole OS I mean |
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| [16:56:16] | Beirdo: | NP: Megadeth – Dialectic Chaos |
| [16:56:28] | Beirdo: | what a way to start an album |
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| [17:01:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | Megaduck! |
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| [18:22:31] | ** wagnerrp expects to get flamed on the mailing list here shortly ** | |
| [18:23:56] | iamlindoro: | NOT WHERE I'M FROM YOU JERKJ |
| [18:24:00] | iamlindoro: | EIT IS TEH BESTS |
| [18:24:06] | iamlindoro: | LOTS OF COUNTRIES USE EIT |
| [18:24:14] | iamlindoro: | Just getting you warmed up |
| [18:24:16] | wagnerrp: | like canadia? |
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| [18:48:22] | DeviceZer0: | hello all. Im using my hdpvr and it rocks...I have a rule setup to bump the priority of hd shows up...so mythtv chooses the hd airing over the sd. This rule works great 99% of the time..however sometimes mythtv still chooses the sd versions. Any ideas why it would be doing this? |
| [18:49:11] | wagnerrp: | because your guide data provider lied |
| [18:49:13] | DeviceZer0: | For example this wed the show survivor airs on both the sd and hd channels at the same time...yes the sd one is being marked to record |
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| [18:50:20] | DeviceZer0: | Interesting....after relooking...the show is indeed not marked as HD this week on the hd station |
| [18:50:29] | DeviceZer0: | Damn tribune! |
| [18:50:57] | DeviceZer0: | Ive have quite a few issues with stations not providing correct data about channels/shows being hd |
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| [19:08:16] | justinh: | so why not just get rid of the SD version? |
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| [19:08:30] | justinh: | or make a custom rule to prefer the HD channel |
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| [19:08:54] | justinh: | or, use channel priority settings to set HD channels to a much higher priority |
| [19:09:02] | DeviceZer0: | justinh, thats whats next. |
| [19:09:12] | iamlindoro: | Bumping up HD means it prefers HD shows-- which means it will sometimes record something you want less in HD simply because you unilaterally prefer HD |
| [19:09:24] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't mean "prefer the same show in HD" |
| [19:09:34] | DeviceZer0: | id like to keep all the rules as generic as possible. I had major issues when i switched cable providers |
| [19:10:22] | DeviceZer0: | iamlindoro, hmm. well someone in here had helped me make the rule to prefer the hd version over the sd version. I could have worded my question earlier wrong |
| [19:10:46] | DeviceZer0: | i *thought* it simply bumped up the priority on the hd version of a show. |
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| [19:11:23] | justinh: | fwiw I'd just get rid of the non-HD version of HD channels, or say 'record on channel X' instead |
| [19:11:29] | DeviceZer0: | yea |
| [19:11:40] | justinh: | I know that channel recordings can be a PITA when lineups change but those are the breaks |
| [19:12:02] | DeviceZer0: | i might get rid of the hd channel. Previously i had tons of "record on channel" rules and when i switched providers..it broke almost all my rules. |
| [19:12:11] | DeviceZer0: | err sd channel |
| [19:12:13] | DeviceZer0: | hehe |
| [19:12:58] | DeviceZer0: | brb need to reboot my desktop |
| [19:13:03] | justinh: | if the channel record rule used the callsign, channum or name instead of chanid it'd likely be a different story |
| [19:14:10] | justinh: | maybe queries with ints are more efficient than strings & that's why chanid is used |
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| [19:18:25] | justinh: | then again, if callsigns were used instead that'd break recording rules if you renamed channels |
| [19:18:33] | justinh: | sigh. it's lose-lose |
| [19:19:24] | justinh: | I think most of my recording rules are all 'on this channel', if not all. There are too many repeats on other channels |
| [19:19:38] | DeviceZer0: | ok back |
| [19:24:00] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78szwgwkZM |
| [19:24:03] | iamlindoro: | More fun |
| [19:24:05] | iamlindoro: | Yay Services API |
| [19:24:12] | iamlindoro: | Not bad for an evening's work |
| [19:25:12] | iamlindoro: | justinh: You expressed some interest in the Services API, I documented a fair chunk of it here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API (and on the linked pages) |
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| [19:26:54] | justinh: | ! |
| [19:26:58] | justinh: | wow, |
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| [19:30:09] | justinh: | all sanity checked, I'm guessing? |
| [19:31:18] | iamlindoro: | Which bits? |
| [19:31:32] | iamlindoro: | The sanity checking in the API is mostly limited to checking the validity and presence of required values |
| [19:31:36] | justinh: | the parts which allow adding stuff |
| [19:31:46] | iamlindoro: | Yes and no |
| [19:32:07] | iamlindoro: | it's sanity checked and a minimum level, but you could theoretically add a capture card which was unusable if you didn't know what you were doing |
| [19:32:24] | iamlindoro: | the metadata type content adding is pretty well sanity checked |
| [19:32:53] | justinh: | heh. well, it's all gravy & can only get better |
| [19:32:58] | iamlindoro: | Most of the API presently is concerned with data out rather than in (ie getting images, recordings, metadata, etc. |
| [19:33:33] | iamlindoro: | The channel and card setup stuff could certainly be better checked but it's also nice to keep the API classes fairly clean, so it would be nice to move that checking into the convenience classes like cardutil, etc. |
| [19:34:22] | iamlindoro: | The little frontend in that video was just a personal challenge-- can I, as someone basically completely unfamiliar with Cocoa/OS X programming, write a frontend before the laptop runs out of battery |
| [19:34:33] | iamlindoro: | And the answer was "yes, albeit rough and simple" |
| [19:34:44] | justinh: | yeah I caught the end of that last night. |
| [19:34:52] | iamlindoro: | I added the artwork and formatted text after I plugged back in/today |
| [19:35:07] | justinh: | it's not a proper 3rd-party plugin til it crashes the backend though ;-) |
| [19:35:19] | justinh: | plugin/frontend |
| [19:35:19] | iamlindoro: | But still, if I can do that in an unfamiliar environment, you have to expect that someone who knows what they're doing could come up with some sweet uses of MythTv as a service |
| [19:35:57] | iamlindoro: | I can make it really MythTV-like and force it to have a working config.xml or something ;) |
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| [19:36:26] | iamlindoro: | The nice part is no need for SQL access, no need for authentication... just point the apps at the backend IP, and go |
| [19:36:36] | iamlindoro: | Which is how it should be |
| [19:36:49] | justinh: | yeah. I can see mythfrontend getting some real competition if anybody can ever be bothered |
| [19:37:13] | iamlindoro: | The other big advantage is as long as we're not idiots about changing the API daily, third party apps can be truly supported |
| [19:37:29] | iamlindoro: | If an API is going away, it needs a deprecated release, etc. |
| [19:37:31] | justinh: | oh god. and mythfrontend itself using the API... easier maintenance,... interopability... |
| [19:37:59] | justinh: | shudder... backwards compatibility... :-O |
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| [19:38:13] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
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| [19:38:42] | iamlindoro: | If I could figure out how to get stupid QtKit to work properly and not in some gnarly window, I'd release the code |
| [19:38:47] | iamlindoro: | It's astonishingly simple |
| [19:39:01] | iamlindoro: | QtKit for video playback, that is |
| [19:39:17] | justinh: | I was gonna say the thing didn't look like a qt app |
| [19:39:42] | iamlindoro: | QTKit the Cocoa QuickTime framework |
| [19:39:56] | justinh: | still though, for something chucked together in a hurry.. er. as you said – give it to somebody experienced |
| [19:40:19] | justinh: | and kapow :) |
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| [19:40:36] | iamlindoro: | http://pastebin.com/Pt8SAVvs |
| [19:40:46] | iamlindoro: | There's the entire code for querying the recordings and filling the table |
| [19:40:48] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before word gets out |
| [19:41:05] | iamlindoro: | (that doesn't show a small utility class I wrote to do async http loads, and JSON parsing) |
| [19:41:46] | iamlindoro: | So basically 77 lines of code to query the BE, parse the data, fill a table with it, etc. |
| [19:42:30] | justinh: | so, with a backend in 84 lines of perl... 151 lines for the whole system! |
| [19:42:40] | justinh: | er 161. lol |
| [19:42:42] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [19:47:11] | iamlindoro: | Man, Markus Schulz is not particularly polite |
| [19:48:06] | iamlindoro: | complains that he didn't get enough ego stroking in a commit, then when I point out that it was probably just an oversight, and that it's nice to hear thanks for committing people's patches too, he says he doesn't see why he should thank us since he was waiting FOREVER for us to commit his patch |
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| [19:57:29] | justinh: | oh well. just bear that in mind if he's ever up for being given commits :P |
| [19:58:09] | iamlindoro: | Probably don't need to worry about that ;) |
| [19:59:55] | justinh: | wow, this mythbox plugin really sucks doesn't it? |
| [20:00:28] | ** justinh puts the dirty thing down. playtime is over ** | |
| [20:01:37] | natanojl: | iamlindoro: I wonder what he would have said if someone else was credited instead, like when Ian Dall got credit for my patch to #9885. I found it a bit amusing considering this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/485562 :) |
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| [20:02:19] | iamlindoro: | natanojl: Heh, well mistakes happen-- but I think we're pretty diligent about trying to credit people, so being a crybaby about it when we make a mistake does nothing to improve matters (him, not you) |
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| [20:05:48] | justinh: | so it failed to load once, loaded the 2nd time, didn't let me set the settings, crashed & took me back to the main app. started it again, it hung & then crashed xbmc. yay |
| [20:06:10] | justinh: | I was only trying to see what all the fuss is about. meh |
| [20:06:37] | natanojl: | iamlindoro: Sure, I've been sufficiently credited in the past. I understand Daniel was very busy at the time so I don't mind. Nice videos by the way :) |
| [20:07:11] | iamlindoro: | Glad you like 'em, just trying to drum up some interest in the API-- it's very cool already, but increased interest and some patches to expand it would always be nice |
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| [20:08:49] | justinh: | so apart from this channel who knows about it? ;-) |
| [20:09:01] | iamlindoro: | The other channel! ;) |
| [20:10:53] | justinh: | oh well then. world fame awaits! |
| [20:11:47] | iamlindoro: | Someone could feel free to post about the API with links to the videos, the docs, etc. on the users or dev list |
| [20:12:03] | iamlindoro: | I made them, do I have to go around spreading them too? ;) |
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| [20:15:38] | johnf1911: | I'm trying to use nuvexport with the H.264 export option |
| [20:15:47] | johnf1911: | I've recompiled ffmpeg, support appears to work properly |
| [20:15:58] | johnf1911: | however the name of libx264 appears to have been changed to h264 (maybe) |
| [20:17:43] | johnf1911: | DE h264 raw H.264 video format |
| [20:17:50] | johnf1911: | I see this in my ffmpeg -formats |
| [20:18:07] | johnf1911: | so I changed the lines in ./export/ffmpeg/H264.pm that reference libx264, and replaced them with h264 |
| [20:18:19] | johnf1911: | and it still hates me :( |
| [20:19:07] | wagnerrp: | why are you using ffmpeg? |
| [20:19:24] | johnf1911: | it appears to be what nuvexport uses? |
| [20:19:46] | johnf1911: | all I want are nice, clean x264/h264/AVC encoded video files |
| [20:19:47] | wagnerrp: | i thought it got converted to use mythffmpeg |
| [20:19:52] | johnf1911: | hmm |
| [20:21:29] | johnf1911: | it looks like it does |
| [20:21:32] | johnf1911: | but I'm not certain |
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| [20:22:59] | johnf1911: | hmm |
| [20:23:52] | johnf1911: | well, it stats mythffmpeg |
| [20:23:57] | johnf1911: | per strace |
| [20:24:06] | johnf1911: | not quite sure what it executes |
| [20:24:14] | johnf1911: | in fact, in all honesty, it doesn't look like it's executing anything |
| [20:24:44] | johnf1911: | does it cache information somewhere? |
| [20:25:34] | matt_c_: | Hi, I'm having a problem with lirc and a U-verse Motorola VIP2250 which replaced a VIP1216, they both use the same remote and yet the 2250 doesn't respond to any IR stuff blasted at it, suggestions? |
| [20:26:07] | justinh: | remote looks the same but maybe isn't the same? |
| [20:26:36] | matt_c_: | it is the same and controlls both boxes just fine, uverse tech even says its the same |
| [20:26:53] | johnf1911: | is it sending nothing at all |
| [20:26:58] | johnf1911: | or just stuff you aren't expecting? |
| [20:27:03] | johnf1911: | some STB permits different encodings |
| [20:27:10] | johnf1911: | so you can have more than one remote |
| [20:27:14] | johnf1911: | and not ahve them conflict |
| [20:27:41] | johnf1911: | have you use irwatch to see if you see anything? |
| [20:27:53] | matt_c_: | LIRC is sending stuff but the new box, 2250, is acting like nothing is happening |
| [20:28:07] | johnf1911: | right |
| [20:28:14] | johnf1911: | can you try it the other way |
| [20:28:22] | johnf1911: | see if your myth machine can receive IR from both remotes |
| [20:28:30] | johnf1911: | hmm, but you said the old remote can control the new box |
| [20:28:33] | johnf1911: | :( |
| [20:28:42] | matt_c_: | i only have 1 remote since that is all uverse gave me |
| [20:28:49] | matt_c_: | since it is used for both boxes |
| [20:29:23] | wagnerrp: | you have two boxes for two tvs, but you were only given one remote? |
| [20:29:36] | matt_c_: | nah, this new box is a replacement for the 1216 |
| [20:31:13] | matt_c_: | i've even taken off the cover of the new box to make sure where the IR sensor is |
| [20:31:38] | justinh: | ah but have you verified your blaster is actually working? |
| [20:31:54] | matt_c_: | yeah the blaster is still working fine with the old box, just not the new one |
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| [20:32:13] | justinh: | weird |
| [20:32:17] | matt_c_: | yep |
| [20:32:26] | justinh: | maybe try learning the remote yourself |
| [20:32:33] | justinh: | irrecord :-) |
| [20:32:55] | matt_c_: | tried to do that last night but i blew it |
| [20:33:10] | matt_c_: | will try it again |
| [20:34:03] | matt_c_: | could it be the blaster? it is a pinnacle mce remote + blaster combo |
| [20:34:37] | matt_c_: | i guess my question is, is the blaster a picky one? |
| [20:36:28] | justinh: | dunno |
| [20:38:15] | matt_c_: | fair enough |
| [20:38:22] | matt_c_: | btw, ty for the help so far :) |
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| [20:51:25] | matt_c_: | doing irrecord now |
| [20:53:52] | matt_c_: | if it records a different signal length for a button than the others can i just type in that key name again and do it over? |
| [20:56:11] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: neilcoo at yahoo.co.uk is asking about information on Cox cable? |
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| [21:30:05] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [21:30:23] | jm|laptop: | I broke my backend :) |
| [21:30:30] | jm|laptop: | s#:)#:(# |
| [21:31:06] | jm|laptop: | I was trying to fix the audio problems described here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493204 |
| [21:31:32] | jm|laptop: | but the patch doesn't work against 0.24.1 so I applied it to the git version v0.25pre-3437-gaa38944-dirty |
| [21:32:23] | jm|laptop: | now my database won't upgrade and I got strange looking SQL prepared statement errors |
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| [21:34:49] | DeviceZer0: | damn. SD membership price went up!? I thought it was supposed to go *down* in time. :( |
| [21:36:43] | wagnerrp: | it did go down |
| [21:36:51] | wagnerrp: | from $60/yr to $20/yr |
| [21:37:00] | wagnerrp: | now due to falling membership, its back up to $25/yr |
| [21:37:40] | iamlindoro: | If all the users who are stealing programming data were getting it legitimately, it would likely still be $20, or lower |
| [21:38:28] | johnf1911: | hmm, membership is falling |
| [21:38:31] | DeviceZer0: | When was it 60$/year? |
| [21:38:31] | johnf1911: | that's regretable |
| [21:38:41] | johnf1911: | it was initially estimated at that price |
| [21:38:48] | johnf1911: | it quickly fell |
| [21:38:53] | matt_c_: | people are stealing it? |
| [21:39:00] | matt_c_: | that stinks |
| [21:39:00] | johnf1911: | people who bought the 4 months for 20 or whatever ended up getting upped to a year |
| [21:39:00] | DeviceZer0: | I always paid 20$/mo |
| [21:39:02] | iamlindoro: | The original price was per quarter |
| [21:39:08] | iamlindoro: | And you mean $20/year |
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| [21:39:20] | DeviceZer0: | err yea |
| [21:39:23] | DeviceZer0: | i do mean year |
| [21:39:23] | iamlindoro: | But when SD was first started, it was $20/quarter |
| [21:39:23] | DeviceZer0: | lol |
| [21:39:28] | wagnerrp: | matt_c_: yes, there is a donationware xmltv grabber that pulls the microsoft feed intended for use with windows media center |
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| [21:39:41] | DeviceZer0: | I was a pretty early adopter of SD and dont recall that. Oh well |
| [21:40:08] | DeviceZer0: | Couldnt someone write their own grabber legally? |
| [21:40:27] | iamlindoro: | If there were such a thing as a legal source taht you could grab for free, sure |
| [21:40:29] | DeviceZer0: | Isnt the data free...just not in a formatable form? |
| [21:40:35] | iamlindoro: | But since there isn't, someone can't |
| [21:40:38] | iamlindoro: | and no, the data is not free |
| [21:40:42] | jm|laptop: | Are there any tables in mythconverg that I can 'trim' ? The .sql back up if 278M nowadays |
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| [21:41:01] | k-man: | DeviceZer0, I don't know the legality, but check out the solution in australia called shepherd |
| [21:41:05] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: how many recordings do you have? |
| [21:41:11] | jm|laptop: | oh. Probably a lot |
| [21:41:16] | jm|laptop: | I'm trying to revert to 0.24.1 |
| [21:41:18] | iamlindoro: | k-man: What use is an australian grabber to a user of schedules direct? |
| [21:41:25] | jm|laptop: | and it's taking a long time to put all the data back |
| [21:41:38] | DeviceZer0: | k-man, hmm ok. not sure it will apply to a us user...but maybe it could lead me in another direction |
| [21:41:48] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: are you familiar with the aacdec.c audio problem I mentioned? |
| [21:42:01] | wagnerrp: | wasnt paying attention to see it mentioned |
| [21:42:03] | k-man: | it won't apply, I was just pointing it out as an example of a web scraper |
| [21:42:06] | iamlindoro: | k-man: There is no such thing as a free, legal, scrapable data source in the US-- Schedules Direct is the only lawful option for MythTV |
| [21:42:14] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: I was trying to fix the audio problems described here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493204 |
| [21:42:24] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: mythtv stores the positions of all keyframes in all recordings |
| [21:42:26] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ok |
| [21:42:29] | wagnerrp: | which each row isnt much |
| [21:42:30] | matt_c_: | irrecord question, is it ok if i did a button twice or should i go through the file and remove the dupes? |
| [21:42:30] | iamlindoro: | k-man: And why would you be trying to promote what would invariable be illegal behavior? |
| [21:42:39] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: I understand. I have a lot to watch. |
| [21:42:46] | wagnerrp: | each recording may have tens of thousands of keyframes |
| [21:43:11] | wagnerrp: | and a couple dozen bytes, tens of thousands of times, on hundreds of recordings... |
| [21:43:13] | wagnerrp: | it fills up quickly |
| [21:43:36] | jm|laptop: | 974 programmes, using 1.8 TB |
| [21:43:38] | jm|laptop: | makes sense |
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| [21:45:55] | matt_c_: | irrecord question, is it ok if i did a button twice or should i go through the file and remove the dupes? (sorry for resending this, i just sent it at a bad time before) |
| [21:47:22] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's fine |
| [21:47:41] | matt_c_: | awesome, thank you |
| [21:47:49] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:49:19] | matt_c_: | i just looked through the file it made and it seemed to only capture the raw data, will that be a problem? |
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| [21:49:35] | matt_c_: | i can pastebin it if needed |
| [21:50:00] | iamlindoro: | You'd need to ask someplace where lirc is supported |
| [21:50:10] | iamlindoro: | Why not just go as far as you can rather than asking if things will be a problem? |
| [21:50:19] | iamlindoro: | Wait until they actually become one |
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| [21:51:00] | matt_c_: | That is a good point |
| [21:55:48] | jm|laptop: | anyone else had any luck with my audio playback problems? |
| [21:56:11] | jm|laptop: | or know of a more stable branch I can git |
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| [21:57:51] | jm|laptop: | diff --git a/mythtv/external/FFmpeg/libavcodec/aacdec.c b/mythtv/external/FFmpeg |
| [21:57:51] | jm|laptop: | index a362d6a..8356cb3 100644 |
| [21:58:06] | jm|laptop: | what does diff --git do and is that index a clue to a branch? |
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| [22:14:12] | lapion: | this is a little problem, If I mute during playback, and I stop playback, and play another or even the same file the mute setting gets lost.. |
| [22:15:11] | lapion: | I sometimes like to check out something without sound because someone is sleeping, or watching a movie, and I simply do not want to disturb anyone else.. |
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| [22:16:18] | lapion: | sorry I started chatting withoutrealising how sleepy I was.. and am.. good night everyone |
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| [23:55:55] | TheAsp: | Anyone know if a DCX-3400-M is supported? |
| [23:56:36] | TheAsp: | (for firewire) |
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