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Saturday, October 1st, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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ahhughez:

where can I configure the music directories that are served by myth's UPnp (aka DLNA) server?

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wagnerrp:

in mythmusic

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Twiggy2cents:

So I encountered something odd on ebay after buying a "supported" tuner. The guy had 12 flat rate of shipping, and he refunded 4 dollars due to difference in shipping costs

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Twiggy2cents:

I was happy, I know I wouldn't refund the difference.

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ahhughez:

thanks wagnerrp, is it possible that I dont have that installed?

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wagnerrp:

ahhughez: entirely possible

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wagnerrp:

its a plugin for mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

you can configure it on whatever machine you want

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wagnerrp:

but your backend must be able to access the content in those same exact directories

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ahhughez:

ahhh so upnp music is a front end only thing... I saw that... but at the same time... it didnt follw a symlink. does that sound normal?

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wagnerrp:

no, mythmusic is a frontend only thing, upnp is a backend only thing

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wagnerrp:

but... upnp will use the content scanned in by mythmusic if it finds the tables in the database

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ahhughez:

gotcha. so do I need to run something to get the database refreshed when the directory contents change?

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wagnerrp:

you have to scan for content in mythmusic when ever you want new content added to the upnp server

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ahhughez:

Ahhh I just saw the "scan for new music" option... thank you!

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ahhughez:

last question, don't suppose it's possible to browse over upnp via the filesystem? At the moment it just offers me "by album" or "all music"

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wagnerrp:

nope, the upnp server has no settings

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wagnerrp:

what you see is what you get, unless you want to go tinkering around in the backend code

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ahhughez:

maybe, but c aint my forte. there is no java jni wrapper for myth is there?

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wagnerrp:

java jni wrapper?

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ahhughez:

http://syphr.org/libmythtv-java/

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wagnerrp:

thats just a backend protocol implementation

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wagnerrp:

external access, not internal loadable code

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ahhughez:

so this means that I could get to the DB via this api e.t.c...

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wagnerrp:

no, you get into the database through mysql bindings

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wagnerrp:

that is an implementation of the backend protocol

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ahhughez:

Im a little off topic now, but might have a look at this in the future. Don't really think java is a good fit for local myth purposes anyway.... but in the browser/android thats another story.

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wagnerrp:

like... mythdroid?

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ahhughez:

I guess so.

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wagnerrp:

no... i mean, there is a mythdroid

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wagnerrp:

written in java

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wagnerrp:

with some limited form of frontend

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ahhughez:

I'll take a look, would like to see the src for it.

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wagnerrp:

source is available on google code

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ahhughez:

just dont ask me to look @ C.... :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv isnt written in C

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wagnerrp:

we have some brought in from external libraries, but most of it is c++ mixed with qt

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ahhughez:

oh, and Im a bit &*(@'d off... finally decided to get a decent case. Antec have just decided to stop making the Fusion Remote Max. No idea why

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ahhughez:

littereally run out of stock in the country in the last week.

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ahhughez:

now I dont know what to buy

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wagnerrp:

i would suggest http://www.buy.com/prod/209055724.html

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ahhughez:

australia is a long way away.... delivery's normally x2 the case $$$

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wagnerrp:

ah... didnt know where it had to be delivered

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Darksaboteur:

Hi guys, I'm trying to setup multiple frontends to run from one machine and am running into some problems.

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Darksaboteur:

whenever I try to start the second frontend it just segfaults

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wagnerrp:

multiple frontends ON a single machine?

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Darksaboteur:

yes

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Darksaboteur:

I have a server with 3 nvidia graphics cards that i would like to run a frontend on each

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wagnerrp:

need to see a backtrace of the dump

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Darksaboteur:

i have 15meter hdmi cables and can run 3 tvs in the house from one box, making complety silent frontends

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Darksaboteur:

ok I'm just reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging now and will let you know once I get a back trace

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Darksaboteur:

when I add the code from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Create_a_gdb_script_file and try to run gdb mythfrontend -x gdbcommands i get the followinggdbcommands:1: Error in sourced command file:

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Darksaboteur:

Undefined catch command: "<< "EOF" | tee ${HOME}/gdbcommands ". Try "help catch".

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Darksaboteur:

GDB: http://pastebin.com/fX99pTWJ

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Darksaboteur:

MythTV: http://pastebin.com/Ymyf1yDY

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k-man:

if I want to run HEAD on my local machine, but I happen to have, on the same network, my production server running .24.1 – do I need to do anything special so the local install of the fe and be does not try to connect to the production server?

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[R]:

i always setup a firewall on the be

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[R]:

to prevfent it

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k-man:

[R], which be? on the test server?

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[R]:

all of them

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k-man:

is there not some command line option that will tell the be not to try and contact a master be?

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[R]:

what?

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Darksaboteur:

nevermind guys I found a solution :) the script at the bottom of http://mythdora.com/?q=node/5787 if anyone is reading this in the future

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** iamlindoro could never put up with working for SiliconDust **

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iamlindoro:

Their users make our users look like they have the patience of a saint

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iamlindoro:

Having to treat "Recording three streams over 802.11n causes issues" as a real issue would make me crazy

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** wagnerrp cant get over the look of pure ecstasy on the face of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man as he crushes New York **

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lapion:

iamlindoro, 3 streams over 802.11n haha is that in a ssh tunnel as well...

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lapion:

just crazy..

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wagnerrp:

i thought they killed the other broils

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lapion:

Is anyone interested in a nuv file of a failed channel change ?

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wagnerrp:

if you fail a channel change, there should be no nuv file

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lapion:

the channel changed due to having no valid file to playback, however a file was created, and not even mplayer can play it's contents

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lapion:

"the channel change failed due to having no valid file to playback"

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wagnerrp:

is it a zero byte file?

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lapion:

approximately the size of 35" floppy

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lapion:

3.5"

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wagnerrp:

chances are mplayer cant play nuvs anyhow

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

I have my mythtv box hooked up to a 32 inch 1080 tv!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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lapion:

wagnerrp, the mplayer I use plays most if not all nuv files, but the file will not playback in video browser as well

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mattwj2002:

brand new!

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lapion:

wagnerrp, seems to be a file without a header

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lapion:

it would seem headers are not being created when switching channels during "livetv" watching

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lapion:

at least for analog (frame grabbers) however many people with pvr150's have the same problem, and the pvr 150 has a hardware mpeg encoder.

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NickHu:

Hey guys, any way to make active EIT not broken?

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oobe:

hit it with a hammer I guess

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justinh:

so, if you use flash on linux, with nvidia GPU & proper drivers for GPU acceleration of flash video playback, do you still get tearing?

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dcg_:

justinh: the mythbuntu (current) install I am on right now seems to handle flash OK, use nvidia proprietry drivers

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justinh:

cool, I think

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dcg_:

s/use/uses/

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dcg_:

for what it is worth, I have not seen any tearing in flash (on linux) in a long time

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justinh:

it looks gash on Intel

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justinh:

I mean utterly 1980s 'my first video playback on a computer' rubbish

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dcg_:

from memory there is an xorg.conf option that fixes that for intel, "man 4 intel" or similar (to suit your driver) may give you a hint

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dcg_:

Option "NoAccel" "boolean" is one to try

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justinh:

really? hmm

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dcg_:

obviously, you need to change "boolean" to either "true" or "false" :)

[10:11:59]

justinh:

yeah. I might already be using that. I had terrible problems getting mythtv to work without tearing on my current frontend

[10:12:18]

justinh:

when our TV dies & gets replaced by a panel the frontend is going byebyes anyway

[10:12:28]

justinh:

I'll start using the backend as a frontend then

[10:12:58]

justinh:

I'd try a nvidia card in the frontend but for the need of a right-angled riser card :-\

[10:13:03]

justinh:

stupid LC02 case

[10:13:40]

justinh:

I guess I could try a low profile card but that would involve a horrendous amount of cutting

[10:14:07]

dcg_:

I assume that a suitable riser card should be availabe fairly easily

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justinh:

whoah. 6 quids for a pci-e 16x 90 deg riser? Sold!

[10:15:43]

justinh:

been ages since I looked. they used to be > Â£25

[10:16:02]

k-man:

cool

[10:16:11]

justinh:

like back then a riser & pci-e nvidia card would be approaching the cost of a new frontend

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dcg_:

well that sounds like the easy solution, a nice stable nvidia card :)

[10:16:25]

justinh:

oh but I still need svideo with this TV

[10:16:33]

k-man:

justinh, any idea how I can stop my dev backend from seeing my production backend and wanting toconnect to it?

[10:16:41]

justinh:

unless I happen to have a pci-e nvidia card with svid out

[10:17:00]

justinh:

k-man: run it on a different port?

[10:17:08]

justinh:

disable upnp too probably

[10:17:23]

dcg_:

you should still be able to get a card with svideo out, if need be I know someone in perth that still has stock that I can put you in touch with.

[10:17:26]

justinh:

or just run it local if you can get away with it

[10:17:35]

justinh:

perth? haha imagine the shipping cost

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dcg_:

you are in the UK aren't you

[10:18:26]

justinh:

yups

[10:18:42]

justinh:

nah, having seen my local dealer's prices of older nvidia hardware I'll just make do for now

[10:19:04]

justinh:

update the backend's 8600GT with a GT2xx when the time comes instead

[10:19:27]

justinh:

stupid legacy gear

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dcg_:

the cards he has are (I think) GeForce 9400 GT's

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k-man:

justinh, how do you run it on a different port?

[10:36:58]

justinh:

easy

[10:37:39]

justinh:

just set it up to run on a different port :-)

[10:37:52]

** k-man pokes justinh **

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justinh:

set it to use a different database too, e.g. convergmyth – to avoid confusion

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dcg_:

sorry just spoke to the guy in perth, he has sold all of those cards. as to the shipping cost, should only have been about $10 australian, about 6 quid

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k-man:

I did set it to use the local db

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justinh:

in mythtv-setup you select the port mythbackend is to run on

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dcg_:

try looking at ebay, there is a gforce 8600 there now

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justinh:

don't trust ebay

[10:38:51]

justinh:

bought 2 duffers from ebay in the past. dead cards

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justinh:

plus the morons out there keep the prices high

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dcg_:

we get gear from there regularly, with no issues so far. will agree about the morons though. If you buy new on ebay there should not be any issues

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justinh:

well yeah but still the UK moron keeps prices high. stupid morons

[10:41:24]

justinh:

before I buy anything techy I always look on ebay first. first search is through completed items

[10:42:00]

justinh:

most stuff I find is 10% more expensive than my local emporia & that's before shipping

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justinh:

2nd hand stuff – I expect 2nd user equipment to be <50% new price. hahahaha

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justinh:

we bought a good deal of baby gear from ebay though. some real bargains to be had in that line still

[10:43:28]

justinh:

hmm. I need MOARCPU. only 50fps turning a DVD to mkv

[10:45:14]

justinh:

mind, 2nd user CPUs I've never had any issues with. they seem pretty cheap too

[10:46:24]

justinh:

keeping an eye out for a good deal on a T9600 for my laptop

[10:47:08]

justinh:

oo Â£86 delivered. Tempting

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k-man:

justinh, I can't see an option in mythtv-setup to set the backend port – only the db port

[10:47:41]

justinh:

course there is

[10:47:46]

justinh:

or there used to be anyway

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k-man:

justinh, I didn;t say there isn't – just I can't see it :)

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k-man:

this is in head

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k-man:

master

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justinh:

first page of mythtv-setup

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justinh:

should be there

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justinh:

same place as backendip

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justinh:

maybe the setting was removed but the db stuff is still there

[10:49:42]

justinh:

select * from settings where value like "%backend%";

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k-man:

can you set it from the cli?

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justinh:

you probably could with mythbackend -O BackendServerPort=xxxx BackendStatusPort=yyyy

[10:51:28]

justinh:

maybe. never tried it though

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justinh:

maybe only mythfrontend supports setting overrides

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k-man:

that seemed to work

[11:05:15]

k-man:

so i've made this homebrew script for building mythtv

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justinh:

you should talk to iamlindoro :-)

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k-man:

it seems to work pretty well now – but mythtv has issues. it seems to stop responding to key presses – like when you go into a menu, then it will stop responding after entering the menu

[11:06:27]

k-man:

its for osx only

[11:06:32]

justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAM93n4BX0

[11:06:39]

k-man:

iamlindoro likes the osx build script

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justinh:

ah rats. my laptop's FSB tops out at 800mhz

[11:07:18]

justinh:

no T9600 for me, then

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k-man:

justinh, oh, I had no idea about this stuff

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justinh:

nor did I til yesterday

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justinh:

I'm really excited about it tbh

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k-man:

yeah seems pretty good

[11:13:18]

justinh:

like a breath of fresh air. It cannot be allowed to stagnate

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k-man:

any ideas how I might work out why keyboard input seems to lock up? -v all doesn't show anything

[11:15:15]

k-man:

anything useful that is

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dcg_:

k-man: is it possible that focus is shifting to some other program?

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dcg_:

try ALT-TAB and see if the keybord now works

[11:16:17]

k-man:

dcg_, I thought of that. but i've tried clicking in the mythfe window and it makes no difference

[11:16:34]

k-man:

I can cmd-tab in and out of it

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dcg_:

hmmm, I can't immediately think of anything else....

[11:17:58]

k-man:

me either :)

[11:18:57]

dcg_:

have a look at the files in /proc/$(pidof mythfrontend)/*

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dcg_:

some of the files show filedescriptors that are open (normally in fd/*)

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k-man:

dcg_, this is on OS X, there is no /proc

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dcg_:

of course that is for linux not OSx :(

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dcg_:

is there a means of viewing information about a process in osx? similar to /proc/$PID

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k-man:

dcg_, hmm, not sure

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dcg_:

you may also be able to find some info using lsof

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dcg_:

I seem to recall something about a program called pspy or something (process spy) but can't really remember any other info on it

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k-man:

dcg_, what info is it you think I might find that will help?

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dcg_:

well, I am thinking that you may be able to do something like send keystrokes directly to the frontends stdin (in linux "echo 'p' > /proc/$pid/fd/1") and assuming it works while the keyboard is still working, you can try doing it once the keyboard stops working.

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dcg_:

this may give you some pointers as to what is happening.

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k-man:

dcg_, ah – I was thinking to try the network interface too

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k-man:

see if that gives me a clue

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k-man:

dcg_, good thinking, I like the idea

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dcg_:

it sort of hinges on being able to directly access the processes file descriptors

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dcg_:

you should be able to find out what files the frontend has open using lsof with some options to specify the pid

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k-man:

dcg_, I better read the lsof man page

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dcg_:

lsof option -g and -p and -d are likely of interest also -r enables repeat mode

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dcg_:

-r could be usefull to monitor for changes (when piped to "tee -a filename") before/after failure

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ureds:

Hi

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dcg_:

ureds: hi

[12:24:07]

ureds:

Is this a good place to ask some newbie-ish questions?

[12:25:15]

k-man:

yes

[12:27:29]

ureds:

Cheers, have managed to get 11.04 up & running, but struggling to get the Sat tuner card working. Have followed the guide here http://www.tbsdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=655 but still no joy. Long time windows user to my shame.

[12:28:06]

ureds:

All seemed to work ok, but I don't understand step 13 in that guide

[12:28:21]

ureds:

Also how do I know the process worked?

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k-man:

11.04 of what?

[12:28:37]

ureds:

Mythbuntu

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dcg_:

give me a moment to have a look at the guide

[12:30:32]

ureds:

ta

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dcg_:

what is the result of running "ls /dev/dvb"

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ureds:

ls: cannot access /dev/dvb: No such file or directory

[12:33:37]

ureds:

Tried creating a dvb folder but get permission denied.

[12:33:53]

dcg_:

hmmm. how about "lsmod | grep 6981"

[12:35:14]

ureds:

ok, didn't get an error there, what does that do (newbie remember, & getting old too ;) )

[12:35:55]

dcg_:

did you get any response, or just a new prompt on the next line?

[12:36:10]

ureds:

just a new prompt

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dcg_:

it should have shown any modules that are loaded with 6981 in them

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ureds:

ok

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ureds:

so the drivers haven't installed then?

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dcg_:

I believe that for some reason the module you have compiled has not been loaded, possibly because it is not in the right place.

[12:38:25]

dcg_:

let me have another look at the guide and work out what things you should check....brb

[12:38:54]

ureds:

Hmm, I notice in file manager that I can't create folders on the system drive, options are greyed out, obviously a permissions thing?

[12:39:09]

ureds:

Thanks dcg_

[12:39:43]

dcg_:

yes, the "make install" should have been "sudo make install"

[12:40:07]

ureds:

ok, seen sudo mention elsewhere

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dcg_:

sudo runs the following command as root

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ureds:

I see

[12:40:42]

ureds:

do I need to go to the driver folder to run the command?

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dcg_:

it is short for "Super User Do"

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dcg_:

yes, you need to be in the same directory as the guide lead you to.

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ureds:

ok brb

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dcg_:

cd linux-s2api-tbs6981_1/v4l

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dcg_:

ureds: actually you need to be in the directory above that. ie:linux-s2api-tbs6981_1

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ureds:

ok it's working, although it did all this last time without sudo

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ureds:

error

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dcg_:

what error did you get?

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ureds:

dad@dad-System-Product-Name:~/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-d rivers/v4l$ sudo make; make install

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ureds:

[sudo] password for dad:

[12:45:21]

ureds:

creating symbolic links...

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ureds:

make -C firmware prep

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ureds:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/firmware '

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ureds:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/firmware '

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ureds:

make -C firmware

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ureds:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/firmware '

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ureds:

make[1]: Nothing to be done for `default'.

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ureds:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/firmware '

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ureds:

Kernel build directory is /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/build

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ureds:

make -C /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l modules

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dcg_:

hold up please

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ureds:

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic'

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ureds:

make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tbs6980c trl.o', needed by `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tda18271 .o'. Stop.

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ureds:

make[1]: *** [_module_/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l] Error 2

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ureds:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic'

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ureds:

make: *** [default] Error 2

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ureds:

-e

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ureds:

Removing obsolete files from /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video:

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ureds:

-e

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ureds:

Removing obsolete files from /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/cinergyT2:

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ureds:

-e

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ureds:

Removing obsolete files from /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/media/common:

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ureds:

-e

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ureds:

Removing obsolete files from /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/frontends:

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ureds:

Installing kernel modules under /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/media/:

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ureds:

/sbin/depmod -a 2.6.38-8-generic

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ureds:

dad@dad-System-Product-Name:~/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-d rivers/v4l$

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ureds:

sorry too much pasting there

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dcg_:

when using IRC please don't paste long chunks directly, please use pastebin.com instead then just paste the link here

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dcg_:

first problem, as I indicated before, you only needed to use sudo for "make install" not "make"

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ureds:

np, I am a long time IRC user right back to my Amiga days..

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dcg_:

could I please get you to delete the directory (you will need to change ownership of all of the files first most likely)

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dcg_:

if you are still in the directory try "sudo chown -R dad:dad *"

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dcg_:

then reextract the archive and follow the instructions from the guide again, only changeing that one line. I will paste what you should use in a moment

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dcg_:

step 10 should be "cd ..; make; sudo make install "

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ureds:

ok got it, the sudo chown.. just went to another prompt. brb, thanks for help.

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dcg_:

yep, all chown does (with those options) is change the owner and group of all files in the current directory and any subdirectories

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dcg_:

you should never compile code as root (ie: run make) as various files will either be created as root, or have their ownership changed to root, this can cause issues with other processes.

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dcg_:

on the other hand, "make install" should *ALWAYS* be run as root otherwise the files will not be able to be installed in the correct locations

[13:00:10]

ureds:

gotcha what is the ln command?

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dcg_:

it creates a symlink. for more information check out "man ln"

[13:02:02]

ureds:

ok, have the folder opn also as I do this saw something created in there

[13:02:30]

ureds:

ok ready for the sudo bit...

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ureds:

working I think..

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dcg_:

sounds good.

[13:04:39]

dcg_:

the proof will be after a reboot. are you using IRC on a different machine than the compile?

[13:04:49]

ureds:

do you want a pastebin of the result of sudo make install? There's some erros at the end.

[13:04:56]

ureds:

Ircing on same machine

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dcg_:

yes please

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/e1ST9PBT

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dcg_:

let me look

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ureds:

ty

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dcg_:

ureds: it would appear that you missed step 8, creating the appropriate symlink.

[13:14:25]

dcg_:

are you running a 32bit or 64bit system?

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ureds:

64 bit

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dcg_:

ok, so you need to run

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dcg_:

ln -s tbs6981ctrl.o.x86_64 tbs6981ctrl.o

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dcg_:

and

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dcg_:

ln -s tbs6981fe_driver.o.x86_64 tbs6981fe_driver.o

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ureds:

hmmm did both of those I think.

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dcg_:

these should both be run from the linux-s2api-tbs6981_1/v4l directory

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ureds:

Ok will go again

[13:17:20]

dcg_:

you can check by running "ls -l v4l/tbs6981[fc]*" from the linux-s2api-tbs6981_1 directory

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dcg_:

of course you can also check by running "ls -l tbs6981[fc]*" from the v4l directory

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dcg_:

it should list the two symlinks tbs6981fe_driver.o and tbs6981ctrl.o showing the real file that they point to

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dcg_:

brb

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k-man:

why does the audio go out of sync sometimes in dvb recordings?

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ureds:

Must worked fst ime, I get "ln: creating symbolic link `tbs6981ctrl.o': File exists"

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ureds:

keyboard batteries going I think ;)

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dcg_:

hmmmm, that is strange. can you please pastebin "ls -la"

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ureds:

np

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ureds:

a big 'un pastebin.com/B2HRZ921

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pheld:

Is there anything special that has to done to handle mono (single-channel) audio properly? My frontend sends mono audio to both speakers, but vol up/dn and mute only affects the left speaker.

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dcg_:

ureds: busy for a few. back in a few

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dcg_:

pheld: if that is the case you may need to change the mixer settings in frontend config

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pheld:

dcg_: I'm running git master and it doesn't seem to have separate mixer settings any more. It's not a new problem though. I've tried just about anything in mixer settings in the past. I've only got one channel (Motors TV) that transmits mono, the rest are 2 or more channels and they all work fine.

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dcg_:

pheld: are you running pulse or raw alsa

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pheld:

dcg_: found the mixer settings. my mistake. doesn't make any difference though. Also tried both alsa/pulse and alsa direct

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pheld:

I normally use ALSA:default controlling Master volume

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dcg_:

it is normally better to use pcm for volume control I believe

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pheld:

Maybe it has something to do with my soundcard (UA-25EX via USB). have to check up on that. Using pcm sorta' solves the problem, but doesn't offer the full range when controlling volume.

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dcg_:

pheld: that is an easy fix, in the mixer settings, you can set the master volume to maximum. then pcm will adjust over the full range

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dcg_:

you must do it in mythfrontend setup though, if you adjust the mixer via an os app myth will over-ride when it starts playing.

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dcg_:

Well, it does in my experiance at least

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dcg_:

ureds: you're back

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dcg_:

ureds: please run the following two commands in the v4l directory "ln -s tbs6980ctrl.o.x86_64 tbs6980ctrl.o" and "ln -s tbs6981fe_driver.o.x86_64 tbs6981fe_driver.o"

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dcg_:

oops lets try that again.....I erred.

[14:02:35]

esperegu:

any people around with some knowledge to set up dvb-S(2)? I can scan and watch tv but the filling of the database does not work. I get errors like: DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Unsupported fec_inner parameter.

[14:02:35]

esperegu:

DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Your frequency setting (11739000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

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dcg_:

ln -s tbs6980ctrl.o.x86_64 tbs6980ctrl.o

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dcg_:

ln -s tbs6980fe_driver.o.x86_64 tbs6980fe_driver.o

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dcg_:

esperegu: there seems to be a shortage of people with much knowledge of dvb-s arround at the moment

[14:04:36]

dcg_:

hang about and hopefully someone will be able to answer your question, it may take a while though

[14:05:05]

dcg_:

in particular wagnerrp may be helpful

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esperegu:

dcg_: thx. I have to reask or do they read back the msgs?

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ureds:

ok brb

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ureds:

OK dcg_ did those

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dcg_:

please try running (from the top dir) "make" and pastebin the result

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ureds:

top as in very top, or top of driver folder?

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dcg_:

top of the driver tree

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dcg_:

ie the directory above v4l

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ureds:

ok

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dcg_:

esperegu: it depends, there is a fair bit of chat at the moment, so if you see wagnerrp it would be worth asking him to check for your question

[14:11:29]

esperegu:

dcg_: k. thx

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/XqMNsKDH

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dcg_:

ureds: ok, better, but need to run the same commands again except substituting the numbers with "6921"

[14:15:59]

dcg_:

we will probably need to do this for a few more files too. there may be a better way but I am a bit on the tired side and would probably make a mess of anything clever :(

[14:16:37]

ureds:

ok np, you want a pastebin after 6921?

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dcg_:

yep, that way I can let you know what is next, can you see the logic behind what we are doing?

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/d4VE9TDh can't see any logic, been pointing & clicking for years.

[14:22:21]

ureds:

I notice we're doing something with different model drivers? I have the 6981 card

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dcg_:

yep, the default make rules builds the drivers for all supported cards, so we need symlinks for them all too.

[14:25:39]

dcg_:

so what we are doing is looking at the point at which the make fails. in the latest case it reads like this.....

[14:25:42]

dcg_:

make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tbs8921c trl.o', needed by `/home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tda18271 .o'. Stop.

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dcg_:

the file that is missing is tbs8921ctrl.o

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dcg_:

so we need to run the symlink commands to create the two links for this card.

[14:26:54]

dcg_:

the commands will be (from the v4l dirctory)

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ureds:

ok, I think I get it, steep learning curve

[14:27:16]

dcg_:

ln -s tbs6921ctrl.o.x86_64 tbs6921ctrl.o

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dcg_:

ln -s tbs6921fe_driver.o.x86_64 tbs6921fe_driver.o

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ureds:

Ok, first command returned: "ln: creating symbolic link `tbs6921ctrl.o': File exists"

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dcg_:

what about the second?

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dcg_:

actually what does "ls -l /home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tda18271. o" return

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ureds:

second "ln: creating symbolic link `tbs6921fe_driver.o': File exists"

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k-man:

i'm trying to get the master going on my mac, i keep getting an error about the fe not being able to connect to the master backend http://pastie.org/2622202

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k-man:

but I can't find any settings anywhere about the master backend

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wagnerrp:

dcg_: eh?

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ureds:

ls: cannot access /home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tda18271. o: No such file or directory

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dcg_:

wagnerrp: there is a fellow esperegu (not in atm) that is having issues with not being able to fill the database

[14:34:08]

wagnerrp:

its looking for a file that hasnt been compiled yet

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dcg_:

I asked him to hang about, so he should be back

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esperegu:

dcg_: wagnerrp: here I am

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esperegu:

;-)

[14:34:31]

esperegu:

just rebooted my router

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dcg_:

wagnerrp: yep we know that the file doesn't exist. the instructions for the driver require some symlinks to be manually created, but the instructions are a little to vauge, we are working through it atm

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dcg_:

ureds: ok, if that is the case, I suspect you have created the symlinks in the top of the tree instead of in v4l dir

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wagnerrp:

the file is supposed to be created by make

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wagnerrp:

its supposed to be created automatically as part of the compile process

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dcg_:

ureds: you will need to cd to v4l first

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wagnerrp:

from the file /home/dad/Downloads/linux-tbs-drivers_110928_V10/linux-tbs-drivers/v4l/tda18271. c

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dcg_:

wagnerrp: unfortunately not in this case

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dcg_:

wagnerrp: have a look at this page....

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dcg_:

http://www.tbsdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=655

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dcg_:

they specify that you need to create the symlink for either 32 or 64 bit, which is fine, but the actual package that ureds is compiling has multiple drivers in it. I could ask for a copy of the makefile and hopefully there is a rule that will allow just one driver to be compiled, but the most "reliable" method here is just to create all of the required symlinks

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ureds:

ok what do I do now from the v4l dir

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dcg_:

run the ln commands

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AndyCap:

Hmm, pulseaudio has gained support for ac3/dts passthrough.

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: this is one of the errors I get: http://dpaste.com/624972/

[14:40:57]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: oh? they seemed pretty adamant that they would never do that

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: not Lennart anymore though. :P

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AndyCap:

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/1.0

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AndyCap:

http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Passthrough

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ureds:

get the file exists message when doing it.

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AndyCap:

wonder if they'll let passthrough override whatever other output that is getting mixed in

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dcg_:

ureds: you could try running the commands like this......"i=6921; ln -s tbs${i}ctrl.o.x86_64 tbs${i}ctrl.o; ln -s tbs${i}fe_driver.o.x86_64 tbs${i}fe_driver.o"

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dcg_:

ureds: then you only need to change the part i=##### for each new set of links

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dcg_:

ureds: ok may be time to get another "ls -l" pastebin please

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ureds:

ok I get that, do it for all the model numbers in the dir?

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dcg_:

only for the ones that cause an error. then you should get a succesfull make

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dcg_:

ureds: in theory "ls *ctrl.o.x86_64" will give you a list of all of the numbers you need to run the link (ln) commands on

[14:50:06]

ureds:

ok

[14:54:09]

ureds:

ok done all of those, just do a make now from the top?

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dcg_:

yep

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ureds:

ok still erring

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dcg_:

pastebin please

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/r8QE2Csi

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dcg_:

I suspect that you have missed creating the links for 8921

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ureds:

you suspect right ;)

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dcg_:

ureds: off you go then :)

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ureds:

making now, lots going off

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dcg_:

good sign

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ureds:

still going

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dcg_:

very good sign

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** ureds whistles **

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** ureds drums fingers **

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dcg_:

now that is a cheery tune I hear

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ureds:

ok error at the end relating to 18721

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ureds:

same story as 8921 I suspect

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dcg_:

could you paste for me please

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/fZ9brkN1

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dcg_:

no this one is different.

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ureds:

right

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dcg_:

could you please paste "ls v4l/" (run from top of tree)

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ureds:

http://pastebin.com/Kb9JfTyj

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dcg_:

this time you will need to run (in v4l directory) "ln -s tbsctrl.o.x86_64 tbsctrl.o"

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MMlosh:

Hi! I used to have 1 partition for both system and recordings.. it got full and the database got corrupted.

[15:57:20]

MMlosh:

no recordings were scheduled, even though the guide data were visible and seemed ok

[15:57:49]

MMlosh:

after fixing the DB, the scheduler works, but the EIT data from DVB-T are not stored anymore

[15:58:17]

MMlosh:

I tried to delete and re-add the video source.. did not help.. any clues what can I try?

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styelz:

i noticed last time i used mythfilldatabase , it had an option to disable EIT, i wonder if that has anything to do with it.

[16:01:30]

styelz:

last time i --configured it

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MMlosh:

you mean.. that maybe an update killed the feature?

[16:02:55]

styelz:

yea, not sure

[16:03:22]

MMlosh:

styelz, not sure if dvb eit is in mythfilldatabase's competence at all

[16:03:36]

MMlosh:

the EIT used to be collected while watching TV or when the tuner is idle

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styelz:

yea

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styelz:

just an optoin i never saw before

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styelz:

andi wondered why it was there, if EIT doesnt use mythfilldb

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iamlindoro:

There has never been any EIT related option in mythfilldatabase

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styelz:

and i had EIT issues at the time, so i did another --config, and chose to not disable it and EIT worked again

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styelz:

not sure if that was the cause though

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styelz:

ok

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: check out the MythVideo Metadata and Punctuation thread

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wagnerrp:

i suggested if the user wanted filtering against year

[16:09:15]

wagnerrp:

he patch the filename parsing to pull out specifically, four digit codes in parentheses at the end of the string

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styelz:

maybe it is shepherd

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wagnerrp:

if thats not something you would accept, might want to head that off before it puts forth any effort

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styelz:

Okay to disable EIT? [yes,no (default=yes)]

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styelz:

thats from my mythfill..

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styelz:

n.m

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iamlindoro:

styelz: As you have likely discovered, no, it isn't... it's from your XMLTV

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styelz:

yep

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I guess it would depend on the implementation... parsing the filename differently does no good unless we added year as an argument to the lookup command... and then it's starting to get a little messy

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iamlindoro:

(and where do you stop)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im thinking we just use it to filter the results

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iamlindoro:

alternately, I guess mythvideo could try to match autmatically based on input and output year

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wagnerrp:

if year is defined in the database, only show those results which match that year

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iamlindoro:

as the metadata classes do for recordings

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, let's just see what he comes up with

[16:16:27]

iamlindoro:

if anything

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iamlindoro:

My fear is that I'll be on the hook for another round of troubleshooting people's illegal filenames

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** wagnerrp heads out to cut the grass **

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iamlindoro:

ie, some release group in parenthesis, etc.

[16:17:20]

MMlosh:

will you hint me with my no-eit-collected issue after what, wagnerrp, please?

[16:18:23]

wagnerrp:

MMlosh: no idea what youre talking about

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i gave him a specific regular expression to only handle four digits in parentheses

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wagnerrp:

so it should eliminate most possibility of false positive

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MMlosh:

wagnerrp, this: Hi! I used to have 1 partition for both system and recordings.. it got full and the database got corrupted. No recordings were scheduled, even though the guide data were visible and seemed ok. After fixing the DB, the scheduler works, but the EIT data from DVB-T are not stored anymore. I tried to delete and re-add the video source.. did not help.. any clues what can I try?

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wagnerrp:

but you never know, maybe theres a pirate group that really likes Kubrick space films

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sphery:

MMlosh: almost definitely need to run optimize_mythdb.org to fix corrupt tables

[16:47:42]

MMlosh:

sphery, I ran mysql database fixer...

[16:47:49]

MMlosh:

is that an executable?

[16:47:56]

MMlosh:

How do I run it?

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sphery:

er, optimize_mythdb.pl, I meant

[16:49:30]

sphery:

perl optimize_mythdb.pl would work

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sphery:

no args

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MMlosh:

is that packaged with mythtv

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MMlosh:

or somewhere else?

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sphery:

usually distros put it in docs dir, I think

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sphery:

it's from contrib

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sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ze_mythdb.pl

[16:51:35]

sphery:

if that doesn't work, best I could recommend is restart all mythtv processes

[16:58:28]

MMlosh:

sphery, I restarted myth-related processes many times since the problem started

[17:04:04]

MMlosh:

sphery, yes.. it's in the docs mythtv-backend: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl

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MMlosh:

sphery, shall the mythtv-backed be started or stopped?

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MMlosh:

ran with stopped, it ran afaik OK

[17:08:30]

MMlosh:

mysql> use mythtvconverg

[17:08:30]

MMlosh:

ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'mythtvconverg'

[17:08:38]

MMlosh:

that does not seem good

[17:12:01]

styelz:

try mythconverg

[17:12:31]

styelz:

might work then

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MMlosh:

styelz, nope.. access denied

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sphery:

MMlosh: that script doesn't care whether backend is running or not, so either way

[17:18:18]

MMlosh:

styelz, I guess it was a typo in the command

[17:18:39]

MMlosh:

I can change to the db now

[17:19:15]

MMlosh:

the eit_cache and program tables are still empty

[17:21:42]

sphery:

MMlosh: there's always Delete all video sources and Delete all capture cards, then reconfigure everything

[17:22:19]

sphery:

it's quite possible /data/ got corrupted by the full file system--and no mysql table repair command can ever reconstruct broken data

[17:22:36]

MMlosh:

so I should delete the capture card too?

[17:22:37]

sphery:

(they only reconstruct broken tables--and you're left hoping the remaining data is valid)

[17:22:57]

sphery:

I would recommend doing both primarily because there are EIT-related settings in both video source and capture cards

[17:23:24]

sphery:

doesn't hurt to clean the whole capture card/video source/channel/input config and re-configure it such that you know it's all valid

[17:23:46]

sphery:

and, IMHO, you'll spend far longer trying to find what's broken than just clearing everything and redoing it

[17:23:57]

MMlosh:

the recordings works.. if something is timeslot recording, it works too

[17:24:15]

sphery:

basically, it's like a broken Windows OS--sometimes the quickest way to fix it is to just re-install Windows

[17:24:34]

sphery:

if you're saying EIT works when you're recording or watching live tv, that means you have active eit disabled

[17:25:40]

MMlosh:

no.

[17:26:10]

MMlosh:

once it broke, it worked until the guide data ran out

[17:26:57]

sphery:

in which case we're back to "all we know is EIT grabbing is broken"--so, again, I recommend clearing the whole card/source/channel/input config and then re-configuring

[17:29:11]

MMlosh:

allright.. I thought clearing the input would be enough... let's do it..

[17:34:10]

MMlosh:

sphery, I realized where is the problem...

[17:34:25]

MMlosh:

I was lazy to scan and imported the channels.conf I had

[17:34:48]

MMlosh:

It sure misses the PID for eit

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sphery:

channels.conf import should really be removed, IMHO. It causes far more problems than it solves.

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MMlosh:

yeah... re-scanning found conflicting channels

[17:57:09]

MMlosh:

sphery, I mean.. yes.. rescanned now... but found conflicting channels and failed to insert them properly

[17:57:28]

MMlosh:

sphery, What am I supposed to do, when I hear the DVB-T multiplex from more sources?

[17:57:55]

MMlosh:

I chose to add each channel once and hit cancel for the duplicite one.. did not work

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MMlosh:

sphery, re-scanning did not help

[18:14:53]

MMlosh:

I did the long remove-everything version now... maybe.. the "use this tuner for active EIT collection" was off?

[18:15:05]

MMlosh:

We'll never now

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MMlosh:

sphery, one multiplex got 7days of guide loaded... finally... no upcoming recordings yet...

[18:22:52]

MMlosh:

yay... it works... I got the week of EIT for the channels I use.... maybe the other channels will load too

[18:24:56]

MMlosh:

sphery, thanks for your help.. the parts I need are fixed... the rest will be probably OK too

[18:26:45]

sphery:

glad it's working

[18:27:11]

sphery:

lots of times, it's easier--especially after a db crash that may corrupt data--to clear the suspect data and start over than to find the thing that's not set right

[18:27:52]

sphery:

why spend 8 hours of your time trying to find a misconfiguration when you can just reconfigure from scratch in much less time

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MMlosh:

sure.. I was unaware, that it's possible to reset EPG-related stuff without loosing recordings

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sphery:

yeah--not saying you should have known how to do it, but just providing the reasoning for the approach

[18:30:08]

MMlosh:

btw: the last multiplex has the data loaded too.. finally

[18:30:13]

sphery:

anyway, really glad it's working

[18:30:17]

MMlosh:

yeah.. me too

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sphery:

now completely working! :)

[18:31:11]

MMlosh:

btw: I have a separate HDD for recordings now.. It won't happen again... unless the main drive gets full of packed mythtv updates

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justinh:

hmm. is there an easy way to stop mythfillnetvision sending me mail?

[18:38:37]

justinh:

I hate system mail

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[R]:

it doesnt?

[18:39:18]

justinh:

maybe cron did then

[18:39:20]

justinh:

grrrr

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justinh:

oh yeah. that's the giveaway

[18:39:38]

justinh:

From: root@roger (Cron Daemon)

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justinh:

****ing *buntu

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

its ubuntus fault that cron mails?

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[R]:

thats a new one

[18:40:35]

justinh:

cron does it itself? man, that sucks

[18:40:49]

[R]:

cron has mailed out job output since the dawn of time

[18:40:53]

** justinh blames every annoying 'nice' feature linux gets on Canonical **

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justinh:

:-)

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justinh:

there we go. added a >/dev/null to the crontab entry. damn annoyances

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laga_:

yeah, since the dawn of time

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laga_:

justinh: you will still get stderr ;)

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justinh:

GRRRR

[18:42:47]

** justinh adds 2>&1 to the entry **

[18:43:34]

justinh:

yeah, and I blame ubuntu for X taking so damn long to start, since it goes off looking for tablets I don't have too

[18:44:15]

justinh:

made me laugh how it'd go looking for wacom tablet junk, and yet my scrollwheel didn't work. way to sort your priorities out, shuttleworth

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[R]:

um... so d'nt use it?

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[R]:

wow, that was hard

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justinh:

I really need to pick another distro

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laga_:

arch

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laga_:

then it's all your fault

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[R]:

lol

[18:45:19]

justinh:

heh

[18:45:53]

laga_:

so i'm wondering why automagic wakeup doesn't work on my myth box

[18:45:56]

laga_:

i'm using arch

[18:46:07]

laga_:

and i'm pretty sure it will turn out to be my own fscking fault

[18:46:14]

justinh:

I don't mind a linux distro trying to mop up after me & wipe my chin etc... but ubuntu always seems to do it wrong

[18:46:39]

justinh:

it's enough to drive somebody back to gentoo

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[R]:

i've been using ubuntu for a few years now

[18:47:13]

[R]:

never had a problem with it

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justinh:

I read about Sabayon in Linux Format the other week. I was interested for a bit til I saw the name of the package manager

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[R]:

and this is coming from someone who used gentoo for years and wrote tons of his own ebuilds

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justinh:

[R]: it does too much automagically, and I find that annoying

[18:47:52]

[R]:

like?

[18:48:11]

justinh:

and the stuff it doesn't do well, it bloody well should by now

[18:48:58]

justinh:

for one thing, inform me updates are available every time I blink

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[R]:

because they are?

[18:49:16]

justinh:

lock my saved passwords in something I need another password to get at

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[R]:

what saved passwords?

[18:49:26]

justinh:

that one is a *cow* to right

[18:49:38]

justinh:

some apps, like tweetdeck

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justinh:

passwords I don't care much about

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justinh:

"ooo somebody might steal them.. WHO CARES"

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[R]:

sounds like the gnome keyring?

[18:50:00]

[R]:

you can set a blank password for that

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[R]:

not an ubuntu thing

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justinh:

oh yeah. been there. tried that. For hours

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/banners.png Well that's fun

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[R]:

ive never had problmes setting a blank keyring

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[R]:

iamlindoro: 630lbs!?

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justinh:

[R]: well I have, and it's driven me to foaming-mouthed distraction

[18:51:06]

[R]:

like i said, not an ubuntu thing

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iamlindoro:

I suppose being 630 lbs might be fun, thought I was referring to adding artwork support to rules screens

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justinh:

can't I just stay hating ubuntu? You're spoiling it

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[R]:

iamlindoro: oh, you shoudn't put up some tantilizing show info if you want people to look at the pretty pictures

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justinh:

with your .. rationality & all

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[R]:

justinh: lol

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[R]:

justinh: im just sick of people randomly spouting ridiculous nonsense

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iamlindoro:

Heavy was an interesting show, though

[18:52:40]

iamlindoro:

albeit depressing

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[R]:

i cant watch shows about fat people

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[R]:

its disgusting

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justinh:

yeah well I suppose this makes me a hypocrite for calling all the people who say mythtv is a complete S.O.B. because they never got their head around lirc

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[R]:

but i CAN watch animal cops... go figure

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justinh:

630lb? sheesh. he's just a bit under-tall is all

[18:53:19]

iamlindoro:

My very good friend from Grad School just won biggest loser a couple of months ago

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justinh:

so. banner artwork comes to the tv part eh. Niiiiiiiiiice

[18:54:20]

[R]:

i dont know why fat people want to parade themselves on tv

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[R]:

if i was that fat i'd be ashamed of myself

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[R]:

i feel like im a few lbs too fat and i feel gross

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justinh:

if you were that fat you wouldn't be able to reach the keys

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, I added support for recording rules/static assignment of artwork to rules and recordings a few months ago

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[R]:

i weigh like 145ish

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iamlindoro:

justdave: that is to say, no more JAMU

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iamlindoro:

bah justinh

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laga_:

you feel like you're a few lbs too fat at 145ish?

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[R]:

laga_: well i have a hard time buttoning my shorts

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justinh:

I actually lost weight on holiday. too much walking in 35 degree C heat

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[R]:

although my mom says its because they are too small

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I didn't think JAMU was needed for 0.24 at all

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laga_:

[R]: depends on your height, I guess

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iamlindoro:

No more Daisy Dukes, [R]

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[R]:

laga_: 5'5"

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[R]:

iamlindoro: HAHA

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laga_:

i will just keep telling myself that all of that 176lbs if muscle

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laga_:

[R]: ah, so you're shorter than me

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justinh:

d'oh.. I removed the cron job for that, wondering how the hell it got there in the first place – I had no recall of doing it

[18:56:20]

iamlindoro:

justinh: It's needed for recording artwork updates in .24, but not needd for anything in master

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[R]:

yeah, im a fatty

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laga_:

i automatically assume everyone is 5'9"

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[R]:

i had these pants i managed to button

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[R]:

but i coudln't unbutton them

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[R]:

althoguh to be fair, they were like 28 or 29

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[R]:

and my jeans are 30

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justinh:

I weigh about 146.. and I'm 5'5"

[18:57:30]

justinh:

but it's a bugger keeping it off at my age. in a family. while holding down a job

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[R]:

in college i weighed like 120

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justinh:

need to dust off my bike again before winter comes :-)

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laga_:

i work out five times a week and ride my bike everywhere, so I basically have to consume 3300kcal to *keep*

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justinh:

[R]: a good few years ago I weighed less than 10lb!

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laga_:

my weight. it's awesome :D

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[R]:

justinh: less than 10?

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[R]:

justinh: were you dead a few years ago?

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justinh:

yeah. I wasn't born fat :P

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laga_:

no, he was a very small child

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Less than 10 lb? Were you orbiting the earth?

[18:59:22]

justinh:

when I got married I *really* let myself go a bit. I was like 48lb over

[18:59:44]

justinh:

most babies are born somewhere around the <10lb mark are they not? :-D

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[R]:

8lbs is average i thihnk

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iamlindoro:

In the tradition of american excellence, we have some >10lb babie ;)

[19:00:13]

iamlindoro:

er babies

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[R]:

excellence, haha

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justinh:

lol

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** justinh goes to fix the JAMU crontab **

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justinh:

"You have mail"

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** justinh goes to get his big hammer **

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laga_:

what the fsck, it's 9pm on a saturday and people are drilling holes into the wall

[19:04:37]

justinh:

maybe they

[19:04:41]

iamlindoro:

You're about to be robbed

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laga_:

iamlindoro: oooh.

[19:04:46]

justinh:

maybve they're annoyed by the cron emails too

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MMlosh:

justinh, I was surprised when I setup my first mailserver, that I got the e-mail from cron.. then the server got hacked, because the distro for the box was based on debian oldstable

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

hosting email at home would feel like making my own diesel fuel

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justinh:

I dinnae need to, so don't :)

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kj4ips:

Anyone know about the external channel changer script requirements, i seem to be missing something

[20:12:35]

kj4ips:

c

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kj4ips:

/redraw

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[R]:

requirements?

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sphery:

kj4ips: the only requirement is that it allows us to put the freqid as a command line argument at the end of the specified command

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sphery:

what you do with it us up to you

[20:14:56]

kj4ips:

well, i have 6200ch working, but it does not give the channel number

[20:15:13]

kj4ips:

i made a script that takes the 1st arg, walls it, and sets the channel

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts has info

[20:15:40]

kj4ips:

i can set the channel by calling the script, but myth cant, and the wall says there were no args

[20:16:01]

sphery:

well, mythtv always passes an argument that is the freqid, so chances are you have a misconfiguration

[20:16:07]

sphery:

i.e. you have broken channels that have no freqid

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sphery:

freqid != channel number, btw

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** kj4ips facepalm... **

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sphery:

it's a separate field allowing you to use whatever is appropriate for your channel change script

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sphery:

rather than requiring you to use the mythtv channel numbers

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sphery:

see the second screen in the channel config within the channel editor

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sphery:

frequency id

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kj4ips:

working on it now

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sphery:

or use mythweb channel editor to edit a bunch at once

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kj4ips:

thanks, that worked, i thought the freqid was for entering nonstandard stations... guess i was srong

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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justinh:

er.. hacking a pvr350 to generate acpi wakeup? ROFLMAO

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justinh:

might as well try to build a flux capacitor out of beer cans

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mattwj2002:

hey justinh

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justinh:

hey hey

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mattwj2002:

if you get the flux capacitor going.....

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mattwj2002:

can you build me one? :D

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mattwj2002:

I'll buy you some beer ;)

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justinh:

sure, but the shipping cost might be a bit steep

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mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

well I need to buy a ups

[21:55:42]

mattwj2002:

my mythtv box powers off too easily

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mattwj2002:

slightiest power blip and it powers off

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justinh:

well, even the best PSUs only tend to be good for 20ms or so

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justinh:

(at full load)

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mattwj2002:

that is my assumation anyways

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mattwj2002:

I VPN'd to my home network and it is down :(

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justinh:

UPS are a good idea

[21:57:25]

mattwj2002:

either that or the network connection went down

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justinh:

I picked one up for free – the battery was 'knackered' but I managed to frig it good again

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justinh:

sealed lead acid.. even when they're in deep discharge.. can be brought back to life.. carefully :)

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mattwj2002:

just replaced the battery?

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mattwj2002:

or what did you do?

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justinh:

just charged it up again is what I did. with a lab PSU

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mattwj2002:

that is it? O_o

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justinh:

yup

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mattwj2002:

nice

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justinh:

whacked it on a few hundred mA, constant current for a few hours, coaxed it back to life

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mattwj2002:

:D

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justinh:

it was in a deep discharged state that the UPS' charger didn't want anything to do with & thankfully it hadn't been left too long

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B0019804U8

[22:01:55]

mattwj2002:

that is what I am looking at buying

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mattwj2002:

nothing special but it should met my needs

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justinh:

yup

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mattwj2002:

you don't think my computer is over 330 W do you?

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mattwj2002:

I mean just the box not the monitor and all that

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mattwj2002:

The APC BE550G boasts eight surge-protected power outlets total, with four offering battery backup. Backup runs for three minutes at full load (330W) and 13 minutes at half (165W), giving you plenty of time to close files and protect data during power outages.

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justinh:

I doubt it's over that

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mattwj2002:

the other question

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mattwj2002:

can I get ubuntu to shut down with that device?

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justinh:

probably. check the nut docs

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mattwj2002:

nut docs?

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** [R] giggles **

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mattwj2002:

thanks [R]

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

oh

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mattwj2002:

this? http://www.networkupstools.org/

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justinh:

yup

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mattwj2002:

I thought you were calling me a nut

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mattwj2002:

:P

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otaku78:

hello

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otaku78:

I am looking at building a mytvth dvr system to be used in a camper. Which will have a small roof antenna, and have the computer running from a inverter connected to the car's battery. I was wondering what type of system requirements would be needed minium to allow watching and recording the streams from the DTV antenna so upto 1080 resolution. I doubt it will be used often for it but I was looking as options what would you think

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otaku78:

that the main system requirements would be if using a tv tuner card with hardware mpeg2 encoder

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

check out what I found! :D

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wagnerrp:

otaku78: anything received through an antenna is going to be digital, and encoded by the broadcaster

[22:25:31]

wagnerrp:

there is no need for a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

do you know what amperage your 12V system is rated for?

[22:25:55]

mattwj2002:

Cyberpower systems has linux software on there site

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mattwj2002:

you mean 120V?

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wagnerrp:

no, hes trying to run a computer in a camper, i want to know his 12V amperage rating

[22:27:00]

wagnerrp:

if hes got enough power available through it

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otaku78:

wagnerrp, http://www.harborfreight.com/1200-watt-contin . . . r-93761.html thats what I am looking at using

[22:27:20]

wagnerrp:

the best option would be to tap into that, with a picopsu

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mattwj2002:

oh sorry wagnerrp I thought you were talking about my UPS thing

[22:28:23]

mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B000RZPK1M is what I am looking at now it has software right on the web site to shutdown a linux system

[22:28:24]

wagnerrp:

use one of the mobile picopsus, use a mobile AthII or Corei3

[22:30:10]

otaku78:

wagnerrp, like these http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f ?

[22:30:12]

wagnerrp:

maybe use the little UPS chip, wired up to a hobby SLA battery

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** wagnerrp goes to dinner **

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mattwj2002:

otaku78: what are you trying to do exactly?

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mattwj2002:

solar powered?

[22:34:51]

mattwj2002:

if so here is an expensive solution

[22:34:52]

mattwj2002:

http://www.goalzero.com/shop/p/66/Extreme-350-Base-Camp-Kit/1:3/

[22:35:08]

mattwj2002:

only 700 watts of power

[22:35:17]

mattwj2002:

so that won't work

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

nvm

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otaku78:

mattwj2002, put a mythtv dvr into my camper for when the family is out

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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[R]:

why would you want to go outside

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[R]:

sounds scary

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otaku78:

we can watch tv and even enjoy recording some of the local shows where ever we happen to be

[22:36:03]

mattwj2002:

:P

[22:36:09]

otaku78:

[R], lol

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mattwj2002:

here is a thought

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mattwj2002:

leave the pvr at home

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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otaku78:

mattwj2002, what fun is that :)

[22:37:26]

mattwj2002:

and bring content on a hard drive

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

from the pvr

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Hilikus:

is there any other hd capture hardware apart from the Hauppauge HD-PVR? hopefully something internal

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mattwj2002:

play it on a laptop

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mattwj2002:

wait!

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mattwj2002:

that is it!

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[R]:

Hilikus: the hdpvr is currently the only device capable of working with myth that can capture component video

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mattwj2002:

build a mythtv box out of a laptop

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mattwj2002:

they are real low power and use a HDhomerun for your tuner

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otaku78:

mattwj2002, and that still brings up the question i had

[22:39:01]

mattwj2002:

yeah?

[22:39:23]

mattwj2002:

sorry I wasn't paying attention

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mattwj2002:

I am now

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otaku78:

what would be the system requirements to watch and record a show at 1080p res from a DTV source

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[R]:

not much

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[R]:

and your not gonna get 1080p off the air anyway

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Hilikus:

[R]: it doesn't have to be component video as far as i'm concerned. but afaik there's no other way to record hd, right?

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mattwj2002:

only 1080i

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mattwj2002:

:)

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[R]:

Hilikus: well what else do you want to record from then?

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otaku78:

[R], yeah mostly 720p but sometimes 1080i is seen

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[R]:

otaku78: and never 1080p...

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otaku78:

yeah

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[R]:

ota mpeg2 doesnt take much

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mattwj2002:

is 1080p on clear qam or cable cards?

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[R]:

no cable system broadcasts in 1080p

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mattwj2002:

ok

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[R]:

that would be a tremendous waste of bandwidth

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mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

I hate interlacing playback in vlc though

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mattwj2002:

I am sure I can turn it on by default or auto by default but I haven't

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mattwj2002:

otaku78: I can't talk highly enough about the hdhomerun series

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otaku78:

yeah I was leaning more towards something internal like a wintv-1600 or so

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otaku78:

so would say 1.8ghz dual core atom be good enough ?

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mattwj2002:

why type of graphics?

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[R]:

atom can't do anything

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otaku78:

intel gma

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otaku78:

[R], ok i'm just looking at barebones on newegg and looking for a small form factor system

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mattwj2002:

otaku

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mattwj2002:

do you have an hdtv tuner all ready?

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mattwj2002:

if so try it if nothing else you just wasted time

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otaku78:

mattwj2002, I have 2 in my main dvr system

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mattwj2002:

well

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mattwj2002:

can it play an HDTV video in Linux?

[22:50:06]

mattwj2002:

that might be a good simple test to guess-a-mate

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otaku78:

hvr1600 was working fine atleast yesterday

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mattwj2002:

in the laptop?

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mattwj2002:

wait

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mattwj2002:

what is the dual core atom in ?

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otaku78:

mattwj2002, your a confused user lol

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otaku78:

the questions I was asking was for a system in a small case not a laptop, my 1600 card is in my desktop dvr

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mattwj2002:

indeed

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mattwj2002:

:)

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otaku78:

the dual core atom 1.8ghz system was asking for system i was looking at on newegg

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otaku78:

please follow along :)

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mattwj2002:

sorry

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otaku78:

np just thought it was funny

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otaku78:

but I will just try to match the system I have now for the camper system

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otaku78:

but in a compact size

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you dont want to mess with an atom

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wagnerrp:

if you can find a board that takes mobile processors, that would be ideal

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, pick up a standard microatx or miniitx board, and a low voltage processor

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otaku78:

right now my dvr has a athlon fx x2 2.8ghz

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that a power hungry chip

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wagnerrp:

a modern athlon II will run that speed, cost $55, and use up half the power

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otaku78:

yeah I only bought it because it was a black box chip

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otaku78:

so fully unlocked and ready for abuse hehe

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otaku78:

wagnerrp, how about this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153199

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wagnerrp:

awfully expensive

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otaku78:

yeah but only thing that was non-atom and intel mobile i was finding on newegg

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otaku78:

plus it has hdmi and vga onboard

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wagnerrp:

may be worth abandoning the mobile, and just going with one of the low voltage desktop processors

[23:06:42]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, even the low voltage stuff isnt really needed

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otaku78:

yeah here is a intel mobile cpu that uses 25W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819111009

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wagnerrp:

you're not likely to exceed 100W under full load

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wagnerrp:

stay away from atoms and fusion processors

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wagnerrp:

stay away from amd graphics

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otaku78:

so doing the mobile platform I would be over $500 in the system on 2 parts

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otaku78:

isn't amd & ati same now

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wagnerrp:

and if you use intel graphics, note that if your tv is not honest, you may have problems getting the resolution correct

[23:08:18]

wagnerrp:

yes

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otaku78:

yeah the tv I plan to use is this spare 32" LG i have

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wagnerrp:

CRT?

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otaku78:

no LCD

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wagnerrp:

or LCD?

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otaku78:

lcd

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wagnerrp:

do you have anything connected to it currently?

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otaku78:

yeah my desktop dvr

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wagnerrp:

did you have to do anything fancy to get it to run at the proper resolution?

[23:09:21]

otaku78:

seems to have a weird preference resolution but workable

[23:09:40]

otaku78:

yeah had to select a *x788 res

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otaku78:

i think it was

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otaku78:

but that could be more the card I have in the system

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otaku78:

its a way older nvidia

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wagnerrp:

1366x768?

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otaku78:

that was it

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wagnerrp:

thats typical for a "720p" screen

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otaku78:

ah ok

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otaku78:

I know that if i had it set to use the 720p nvidia setting it rolled my screen

[23:11:45]

otaku78:

if I kept the open drivers it was fine

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wagnerrp:

how much space do you have to work with?

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otaku78:

in the camper ?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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otaku78:

the "cargo" type area is 12ft long by 8ft wide and i am placing a couple cabinets in and 2 benches around the edges

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wagnerrp:

i mean to store the computer

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wagnerrp:

i.e.... ive got a 25"x16"x8

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wagnerrp:

" bay, on either side of my tv

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otaku78:

oh it will be placed inside the cabinet which will be about 3ftx3ft cabinet

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wagnerrp:

one came with a coaxial matrix switch box, vcr, and dvdplayer/amp

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wagnerrp:

so... a sealed box?

[23:15:28]

wagnerrp:

thats a mistake regardless of how much power the thing puts off

[23:15:58]

otaku78:

mostly I will have a vent going outside the camper with a screened area to keep bugs from finding a way in

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wagnerrp:

baffled, to prevent water spray?

[23:16:43]

otaku78:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

well... reasonably priced option will likely be an Athlon X2 260, or Pentium G860, with comparable motherboard

[23:19:25]

wagnerrp:

the athlon, youll need to use a discrete nvidia graphics card

[23:19:43]

wagnerrp:

make sure you shock mount those hard drives

[23:20:18]

wagnerrp:

get some elastic straps, twist them a couple times, and shove the hard drive in there

[23:21:15]

wagnerrp:

this is a camper, not a motorhome, so i assume youre not going to be using this thing on the move

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otaku78:

I was looking at the idea of a area to vent similar to this just a little different so not so close to the computer. http://www.hzzygk.com/uploadfile/2011361753223736.jpg

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wagnerrp:

you would have this on the underside of the cabinet?

[23:22:23]

otaku78:

yeah not planing on using it 24/7 unless maybe one of the kids was watching it.

[23:22:37]

otaku78:

I was looking at maybe SSD instead of traditional drives

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wagnerrp:

well, no one will be in the camper when on the road i mean

[23:22:46]

otaku78:

yeah something like that

[23:22:56]

wagnerrp:

camper, meaning some towed, not driven

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otaku78:

not what I have. mine is a older style camper rv

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wagnerrp:

so motorhome

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otaku78:

yeah

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otaku78:

this is not my camper but similar design http://images04.olx.com/ui/2/78/56/37697256_1.jpg

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otaku78:

just grabbed that via google search

[23:27:34]

otaku78:

and by discrete card you mean an addon card right ?

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wagnerrp:

yes, as opposed to one built into the board

[23:28:04]

wagnerrp:

if you can find one with an old 8200 or 8300, great

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otaku78:

thought so just had to make sure

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wagnerrp:

but those are rare, old, and getting expensive

[23:28:29]

wagnerrp:

dont bother with anything 6 or 7 series

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wagnerrp:

and no one ever made anything newer

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otaku78:

yeah my desktop has a 7200(under linux)/7300(under windows) nvidia card

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wagnerrp:

huh? i didnt think there was a 7200

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wagnerrp:

or is that a mis-detection by the drive

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wagnerrp:

r

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otaku78:

depends

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otaku78:

http://www.buy.com/prod/biostar-v7202-geforce . . . 6361024.html

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otaku78:

that is the card in my desktop

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wagnerrp:

seems Zim2000 is angry at something

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iamlindoro:

whonow?

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wagnerrp:

wiki

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otaku78:

?

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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wagnerrp:

hes been around for a couple years, likes maintaining those channels.conf lists on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

except recently, hes marked several of his channels as missing, somehow due to "the republicans"

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wagnerrp:

go try to make some sense out of that one

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wagnerrp:

shame mediawiki has no easy way to revert to a specific version

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wagnerrp:

i ended up just grabbing the whole text from the previous version, and copying it in

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** iamlindoro gives himself the "most likely to use/write the new API" award **

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wagnerrp:

you know... i wonder if that would be a good place to implement that one guy's web-edit-mode

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iamlindoro:

It would be easy as pie to add the APIs needed to control it

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wagnerrp:

rather than that funky external application, and pre-processing of the video into a bunch of individual frames

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wagnerrp:

add a mechanism to grab a specific frame out of a video

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wagnerrp:

use some javascript to generate an editbar based off the current cutlist

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otaku78:

thanks for all the information

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