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| [00:13:47] | Twiggy2cents: | Anybody want to buy a brand new ATI TV Wonder HD 600 PCI card? :) |
| [00:14:12] | wagnerrp: | does it work on freebsd? |
| [00:15:00] | Twiggy2cents: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD_TV_Wonder_600_PCI |
| [00:15:05] | Twiggy2cents: | I would assume not |
| [00:15:20] | notlistening: | try the windows rooms ;) |
| [00:15:23] | wagnerrp: | then what good is it?!?!? |
| [00:15:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Exactly |
| [00:15:49] | Twiggy2cents: | I got anxious and though because my ati 600 USB worked that this would too |
| [00:15:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Now I need to sell it |
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| [00:17:18] | notlistening: | 2011-09–29 00:41:11.506 SignalMonitor: channel change failed any ideas? |
| [00:17:41] | mattwj2002: | hi everyone |
| [00:20:16] | notlistening: | My myth setup is soo flacky |
| [00:20:51] | notlistening: | is it possible that my homerun is not playing nicely? |
| [00:23:03] | iamlindoro: | anything is possible with only one line of log to go on |
| [00:23:16] | iamlindoro: | C:\> |
| [00:23:22] | iamlindoro: | Is it possible my C drive is full??!?!?! |
| [00:24:22] | G: | notlistening: yeah, can you provide more context |
| [00:24:33] | kormoc: | "SignalMonitor: channel change failed any ideas?" doesn't exist in our code base. I have no idea where it came from |
| [00:25:14] | G: | (fwiw, I had 3 recordings via my HDHomeRun go hay-wire the other day for no reason, but it resolved itself, and it's the first failed recordings since I set it up in April, so I'm not too worried) |
| [00:25:30] | notlistening: | G, let me build up some solid information. I am using thing mythbuntu repos should they be stable enough? |
| [00:25:58] | G: | no idea, I only use the frontend from mythbuntu |
| [00:26:18] | notlistening: | kormoc: its in your log |
| [00:26:33] | kormoc: | I doubt that |
| [00:26:49] | iamlindoro: | He's pointing out the fact that you muddled your log and your question together |
| [00:27:00] | G: | notlistening: btw, when I said context, I really meant: post more log context |
| [00:27:21] | G: | it should be from the Tuner w/ a similar actual mythtv error somewhere near |
| [00:27:33] | G: | s/should/could |
| [00:29:14] | notlistening: | G: it killed the machine so just restarting |
| [00:40:12] | wagnerrp: | jya: is jack audio still expected to work in mythtv? |
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| [01:11:49] | iamlindoro: | So looks like they'll be redoing all the SFX for the Star Trek TNG Blu-rays |
| [01:11:57] | iamlindoro: | Which means the discs will cost a fortune |
| [01:15:51] | wagnerrp: | speaking of remakes... got Ico/Shadow of the Colossus in the mail |
| [01:16:35] | iamlindoro: | ooh neat |
| [01:16:39] | iamlindoro: | Let me know how it looks |
| [01:17:40] | wagnerrp: | im a bit concerned about how it will show up in the menu |
| [01:18:01] | wagnerrp: | im hoping it will just show two games on the XMB |
| [01:18:16] | wagnerrp: | rather than have some selection menu inside the game |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | (theyre on the same disc) |
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| [01:22:23] | clydefrog: | Hello |
| [01:23:32] | clydefrog: | Having issues with hauppauge hdpvr and myth tv |
| [01:23:40] | clydefrog: | no signal / no lock |
| [01:24:07] | clydefrog: | tested the device with mplayer and it worked, but still nothing within mythtv |
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| [01:25:52] | clydefrog: | I should also note that this is a testing machine. about 5 years old, dell dimension 2400, celeron proc and a low, low end video card. Would that prevent mythtv from working? |
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| [01:26:08] | wagnerrp: | it would prevent mythtv from playing the content |
| [01:26:11] | wagnerrp: | but recording should be fine |
| [01:26:25] | clydefrog: | getting 0 byte recordings |
| [01:27:23] | iamlindoro: | Then it's a misconfiguration |
| [01:27:31] | iamlindoro: | Would need complete backend logs to know what |
| [01:27:46] | clydefrog: | one moment |
| [01:28:20] | wagnerrp: | yikes, 60GB free |
| [01:28:22] | iamlindoro: | The most common are failing to set a channel changing script, and putting something in the "preset tuner to channel" field, even though the device has no tuner |
| [01:28:25] | wagnerrp: | going to start losing recordings here soon |
| [01:30:40] | clydefrog: | i spoke with +wagnerrp last and I cleared the "preset tuner to channel" field but still having an issue. still waiting on the backend logs. |
| [01:31:02] | clydefrog: | where is the channel script defined within the setup? |
| [01:31:15] | iamlindoro: | Input connections |
| [01:31:24] | wagnerrp: | if you have no script to use currently |
| [01:31:29] | wagnerrp: | you can fake it with /bin/true |
| [01:33:24] | clydefrog: | here are the backlogs http://pastebin.com/W9Zx7bcE |
| [01:33:34] | clydefrog: | *backend logs |
| [01:34:14] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend since changing the 'preset tuner' field? |
| [01:34:20] | wagnerrp: | its showing the same error as before |
| [01:34:39] | clydefrog: | yeah, shut it down last night |
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| [01:36:28] | clydefrog: | But after checking, the Preset tuner to channel field is blank. |
| [01:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Are you trying to use a video source that is shared with a digital tuner, or which used to belong to one? |
| [01:37:32] | clydefrog: | The starting channel field is set to 2, but it automatically populates when Fetching channels from listings sourc |
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| [01:38:41] | iamlindoro: | Personally, would dump the video source and start again from scratch, and you also need to make sure a valid channel change script is defined |
| [01:38:49] | iamlindoro: | if you have no channel change script, that is the first thing you should do |
| [01:38:58] | iamlindoro: | as wagnerrp mentioned, /bin/true can fake it |
| [01:39:21] | clydefrog: | No, I have the STB component out hooked up to the HDPVR's component in, no other source has been defined |
| [01:39:41] | clydefrog: | I will add /bin/true |
| [01:40:00] | iamlindoro: | It cannot function without *some* channel change script being defined |
| [01:40:05] | iamlindoro: | As documented in the HD-PVR wiki page |
| [01:40:15] | iamlindoro: | And that channel changer must return true on success |
| [01:41:15] | clydefrog: | wow, i'm so dumb. Thank you. |
| [01:41:22] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [01:41:24] | clydefrog: | it works now. |
| [01:41:53] | ** wagnerrp loves going back through old recordings to clip out ads, only to find it in (poorly) upscaled 480i ** | |
| [01:42:02] | clydefrog: | utilizing IR blaster though, haven't begun that quest yet. |
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| [01:42:23] | iamlindoro: | Or use firewire |
| [01:42:56] | clydefrog: | i am not sure that firewire is supported. I have Cox cable and I am reluctant to let them know what i am doing. |
| [01:43:09] | iamlindoro: | "supported" by whom? |
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| [01:43:14] | clydefrog: | so if i needed them to remotely enable the firewire, it would be their first clue |
| [01:43:17] | wagnerrp: | up until a year ago, they had to support it |
| [01:43:25] | iamlindoro: | The FCC obliges them to provide a STB with functional firewire |
| [01:43:25] | wagnerrp: | why would they care what youre doing? |
| [01:43:35] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i thought that was rescinded |
| [01:43:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: TTBOMK that's still pending/proposed |
| [01:44:12] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: Clue that what? You're capturing the output of their box in a legal and widely-performed activity? |
| [01:44:14] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought it was part of that cablecard accessibility mandate |
| [01:44:44] | clydefrog: | it seems silly, but yes. |
| [01:44:51] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's quite likely that the box, while probably not supporting capture, at least supports firewire as it stands |
| [01:45:07] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: You have nothing to hide, you're doing something that countless people do, and which is perfectly legal |
| [01:45:38] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's extremely doubtful that you'll need to contact them at all |
| [01:45:41] | iamlindoro: | what is the STB model? |
| [01:45:43] | clydefrog: | These companies turned their backs on millions of people and with the help of the government to close the analog loophole. |
| [01:45:56] | iamlindoro: | The analog hole isn't closed |
| [01:45:57] | clydefrog: | there is still a loophole |
| [01:46:23] | clydefrog: | and i don't want it documented or closed as a result |
| [01:46:34] | clydefrog: | the loophole closed, that is |
| [01:46:34] | iamlindoro: | I think you may be working on some misinformation |
| [01:46:48] | wagnerrp: | i refuse to call that a 'loophole' |
| [01:46:57] | iamlindoro: | Analog capture is alive and well, and there's no present move whatsoever to disable it |
| [01:47:03] | wagnerrp: | a loophole is something used to get around something that is otherwise illegal |
| [01:47:21] | wagnerrp: | analog capture is simply what has been done since the advent of the VCR 30 years ago |
| [01:47:30] | iamlindoro: | In fact, with the right cable provider, capture in myth is better than it's ever been |
| [01:48:16] | clydefrog: | I know. I love that these types of things can be done. But fighting to keep it alive is a losing battle and it is only a matter of time before all STBs are HDMI only. |
| [01:48:22] | iamlindoro: | I can record every single one of the hundreds of channels I get in perfect digital quality with no external box, except for two channels that require an HD-PVR... everything perfect, everything in HD |
| [01:48:47] | wagnerrp: | you must not have a crappy CBS affiliate |
| [01:48:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: heh, no, I just have a ClearQAM tuner |
| [01:49:04] | iamlindoro: | (for that one, that is) |
| [01:49:28] | iamlindoro: | CableCard for the rest, HD-PVR for HBO and Starz... result, perfect copies of everything, near perfect copies of premiums |
| [01:49:48] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean a third of the time, my CBS recordings are either screwed up, or have tickers |
| [01:49:56] | iamlindoro: | ah, yeah, not here |
| [01:49:58] | wagnerrp: | and the rest of the time, they still have a poor quality encoder |
| [01:50:03] | iamlindoro: | But then, no CBS content intests me |
| [01:50:06] | wagnerrp: | running at exceedingly low bitrate |
| [01:50:14] | clydefrog: | You get all of that through QAM? |
| [01:50:26] | iamlindoro: | QAM and with my CableCard tuner, yes |
| [01:50:31] | wagnerrp: | either they botch the resolution change coming off their news blurb |
| [01:50:36] | wagnerrp: | or have nasty glitches |
| [01:50:59] | wagnerrp: | or any number of things that should result in the broadcast engineers being fired for repeated and gross incompetence |
| [01:51:08] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that sucks |
| [01:51:10] | clydefrog: | I bought the HDPVR soley to record in HD. I that aside from SD basic cable, everything was encrypted |
| [01:51:27] | clydefrog: | *thought that |
| [01:51:34] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: That's what a CableCard tuner is for-- encrypted content |
| [01:51:49] | iamlindoro: | After the encryption is removed, you're left dealing with whether it's also copy protected, which is not the same thing |
| [01:52:01] | iamlindoro: | If your provider is comcast, nothing but premiums are copy protected |
| [01:52:08] | clydefrog: | And your provider has to offer cable cards, correct? |
| [01:52:10] | iamlindoro: | (in most markets, your mileage may vary) |
| [01:52:16] | iamlindoro: | yes, all providers offer cablecards |
| [01:52:21] | wagnerrp: | by law |
| [01:52:26] | iamlindoro: | by law |
| [01:52:52] | wagnerrp: | but your results as to what is marked 'copy freely', and recordable by mythtv, will vary |
| [01:52:57] | iamlindoro: | My understanding is that Cox is pretty crap copy protectionwise, though |
| [01:53:02] | clydefrog: | nice! |
| [01:53:10] | iamlindoro: | So basically you'll probably be forced to stick with the HD-PVR and a STB |
| [01:53:24] | iamlindoro: | But *I'm* happy and get everything, and I think that's what matters here |
| [01:53:48] | iamlindoro: | of course it may vary by Cox market as well, they're a fairly small provider nationally speaking |
| [01:53:55] | wagnerrp: | rhode island... is fios an option? |
| [01:54:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah, FIOS is great for CableCard if you can get that |
| [01:54:20] | clydefrog: | damn. I used to have TWC, but they were absolutely terrible and Cox is just awesome in comparison. |
| [01:54:34] | wagnerrp: | time warner IS terrible |
| [01:54:36] | iamlindoro: | TWC is by far the worst |
| [01:54:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre worthless for cablecard as well |
| [01:55:04] | clydefrog: | Well than I made the right tuner choice then. :) |
| [01:55:10] | ** wagnerrp fears the future, as his cableco got bought by time warner ** | |
| [01:55:26] | clydefrog: | *then |
| [01:55:32] | iamlindoro: | you could all move |
| [01:55:49] | wagnerrp: | i could get FIOS |
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| [01:55:53] | iamlindoro: | or that |
| [01:55:57] | wagnerrp: | if the phone co would just run it down my damn street |
| [01:56:06] | wagnerrp: | its been up on the avenue for about a year and a half now |
| [01:58:53] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: whatever those transcoding changes you made a while back were, they seem to be working |
| [01:59:07] | wagnerrp: | half a dozen lossless transcodes later and not a fault yet |
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| [02:02:21] | iamlindoro: | I took a long break from lossless transcode since I had to use the HD-PRV for so long for any content of worth |
| [02:02:33] | iamlindoro: | but started using it again with the Prime, it's been pretty reliable |
| [02:03:03] | iamlindoro: | That said, I may have been part of the lucky few who always had fairly good luck with it |
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| [02:03:52] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, my poor luck generally centered around that aforementioned CBS affiliate |
| [02:08:55] | clydefrog: | reading over the IR Blaster setup, LIRC is built in to .24, right? |
| [02:09:28] | iamlindoro: | no, lirc is not and never will be built into myth |
| [02:09:37] | iamlindoro: | lirc is its own separate daemon |
| [02:09:49] | iamlindoro: | That said, you should *really* start by trying firewire, which is far more reliable |
| [02:10:09] | clydefrog: | okay. firewire is supported out of the box? |
| [02:10:35] | iamlindoro: | Firewire still requires a channel change script, usually a compiled one-- but is many times more reliable and simple to set up |
| [02:10:44] | wagnerrp: | (in 0.24) |
| [02:11:02] | iamlindoro: | correct-- in the next version of mythtv, firewire channel change is built in for HD-PVR and other analog tuners |
| [02:11:43] | iamlindoro: | is someone ever gets around to writing the UI to set it up |
| [02:11:53] | iamlindoro: | (technically, someone already has, but it isn't quite right) |
| [02:13:59] | mag0o: | yay, now I can get my old hardware out of the closet again! http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21724 |
| [02:15:35] | wagnerrp: | is that the GF520 thing? |
| [02:19:28] | clydefrog: | Okay, need a firewire card and cable. Where can i obtain a channel change script? |
| [02:19:49] | mag0o: | yeah wagnerrp |
| [02:19:54] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple applications you can find on the wiki |
| [02:20:14] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: how is this different from the PCI 8400s? |
| [02:20:56] | mag0o: | dunno, wasn't reading too much, just showing the same enthusiam the media was :) |
| [02:22:57] | jya: | wagnerrp: yes it is… It was upgraded recently too. Though I do not maintain it. |
| [02:23:48] | wagnerrp: | should the device scanner be picking it up? |
| [02:24:26] | wagnerrp: | was looking to use JACK for network audio, rather than having to patch my dev box through the audio input on my desktop |
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| [02:27:32] | clydefrog: | Steve Adeff's bus reset safe (ie multi-tuner safe) w/ channel changer primer – looks promising. any opinions |
| [02:28:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: so glad to hear that :) |
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| [02:30:17] | Beirdo: | so... I find that the DSP I wanna use.. has a gcc port... and Analog Devices provides a DSP lib.. under GPL |
| [02:30:23] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [02:31:48] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: what STB? |
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| [02:32:08] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't use that script if the plain ol' 6200ch script works |
| [02:32:30] | clydefrog: | Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4240HDC |
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| [02:32:58] | iamlindoro: | Then I'd use the sa4250 script/changer (it's not a script, it's compiled) |
| [02:32:59] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: only problem is the transcoder thrashes my disk, and i cant do anything else while its running |
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| [02:40:17] | clydefrog: | +iamlindoro: so both of these scripts get entered, correct? and the variable GUID="$1" is the only thing that needs to be edited? |
| [02:40:35] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: both of which? |
| [02:40:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah, it probably will do that ;( |
| [02:41:02] | wagnerrp: | clydefrog: all firewire changers have at least come compiled component |
| [02:41:26] | iamlindoro: | clydefrog: Are you referring to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sa4250_ch_guid ? |
| [02:41:42] | iamlindoro: | The first item is a script, the second is a compiled executable |
| [02:42:07] | clydefrog: | +iamlindoro: yes, that is where I am looking. |
| [02:42:29] | iamlindoro: | you copy the contents of the first block into a file called sa4250_ch_guid, then you chmod +x that file, then you copy the contents of the second block into a file called sa4250_ch.c and compile it using the command line in the comments of that file |
| [02:42:44] | iamlindoro: | specifically: |
| [02:42:45] | iamlindoro: | gcc -o sa4250_ch sa4250_ch.c -lrom1394 -lavc1394 -lraw1394 |
| [02:43:04] | iamlindoro: | thich will require that you have installed the rom1394, avc1394, and raw1394 libs and their dev libraries |
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| [02:43:26] | iamlindoro: | and whatever basic build package your distro requires |
| [02:43:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ive got some episode of nova recording to the same disk |
| [02:43:56] | wagnerrp: | im figuring i should just consider it a loss without even looking at it |
| [02:44:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, we should look at doing ionice or something at least on that |
| [02:44:37] | wagnerrp: | bsd, no ionice |
| [02:44:40] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [02:44:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:44:42] | wagnerrp: | ioprio, whatever |
| [02:44:55] | iamlindoro: | on ubuntu, that would be something like the followinglibiec61883-dev: apt-get install build-essential libraw1394-dev libavc1394-dev |
| [02:45:08] | iamlindoro: | whoops, rather: |
| [02:45:19] | iamlindoro: | apt-get install build-essential libraw1394-dev libavc1394-dev libiec61883-dev |
| [02:46:38] | clydefrog: | +iamlindoro: okay, that helps greatly. and nothing other than specifying the guid when envoking "sa4250_ch_guid" needs to be altered? |
| [02:46:55] | iamlindoro: | you don't need to change anything in the script |
| [02:47:19] | iamlindoro: | $1 means the GUID will be the first argument |
| [02:47:34] | iamlindoro: | which you can get by running the "plugreport" command, which you should have after installing those packages above |
| [02:47:52] | iamlindoro: | So, in order: |
| [02:48:12] | iamlindoro: | 1) copy the first block into a file called sa4250_ch_guid |
| [02:48:21] | iamlindoro: | 2) run: chmod +x sa4250_ch_guid |
| [02:48:34] | iamlindoro: | 3) cp sa4250_ch_guid /usr/local/bin/ |
| [02:48:51] | iamlindoro: | 4) copy the second block into a file called sa4250_ch.c |
| [02:49:02] | iamlindoro: | 5) run: apt-get install build-essential libraw1394-dev libavc1394-dev libiec61883-dev |
| [02:49:18] | iamlindoro: | 6) run: gcc -o sa4250_ch sa4250_ch.c -lrom1394 -lavc1394 -lraw1394 |
| [02:49:28] | iamlindoro: | assuming that succeeds without error.... |
| [02:49:45] | iamlindoro: | 7) cp sa4250_ch /usr/local/bin/ |
| [02:50:15] | iamlindoro: | 8) run the "plugreport" command and make note of the GUID for your cable box in the results (this assumes the STB is plugged in and detected) |
| [02:50:50] | iamlindoro: | 9) invoke the script as: /usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch_guid THEGUIDYOUJUSTMADENOTEOF 123 |
| [02:50:58] | iamlindoro: | should change your STB to channel 123 |
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| [02:51:46] | iamlindoro: | if it does, you add the following as your myth channel change command: /usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch_guid THEGUIDYOUJUSTMADENOTEOF |
| [02:52:13] | iamlindoro: | (the same as above, minus the channel number, which the backend adds) |
| [02:52:51] | clydefrog: | wow, you just saved me about 20 hours of research. |
| [02:53:05] | iamlindoro: | Well, all of this presumes a lot |
| [02:53:07] | clydefrog: | thank you sir |
| [02:53:12] | iamlindoro: | a) that you are on ubuntuish |
| [02:53:21] | iamlindoro: | b) that I have the package names for the deps right |
| [02:53:22] | clydefrog: | running mythbuntu |
| [02:53:33] | iamlindoro: | c) that your STB is one of the recognized model and vendor ids |
| [02:53:46] | iamlindoro: | and probably some others that I can't think of ;) |
| [02:53:49] | iamlindoro: | but you are welcome all the same |
| [02:54:15] | iamlindoro: | Of course, in MythTV .25 you will simply set the channel changer to "Internal" and pick your STB GUID from the list, and set the model to "Cisco/SA generic" |
| [02:54:22] | iamlindoro: | and it'll work with no channel changer script |
| [02:54:44] | clydefrog: | that would be nice! any word on xbmc frontend support? |
| [02:55:18] | iamlindoro: | We don't, and won't, support third party frontends |
| [02:55:37] | iamlindoro: | It's up to those apps to provide support if they're going to write their own frontend |
| [02:55:52] | iamlindoro: | We don't actively prohibit it, but we don't provide the support either |
| [02:55:55] | clydefrog: | sorry if i stepped on some toes, i regreted hitting enter the second i did it. |
| [02:56:13] | wagnerrp: | youre not stepping on toes, its just not our application to support |
| [02:56:15] | iamlindoro: | No toes stepped on, we just don't provide support for XBMC here |
| [02:56:28] | wagnerrp: | we can help you with recording issues |
| [02:56:36] | iamlindoro: | In fact, writing a third party FE is going to be about a million times easier in .25 |
| [02:56:42] | wagnerrp: | but any problems with playback are completely outside of our experience or control |
| [02:56:48] | iamlindoro: | But we still won't provide support for software we don't write |
| [02:57:01] | iamlindoro: | problems with playback in other apps, anyway |
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| [02:57:08] | iamlindoro: | we'll happily support playback issues in our own code |
| [02:57:30] | clydefrog: | i apologize regardless, you guys have been a tremendous help and i am thankful that there are people out there that do provide help. :) |
| [02:57:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what youre talking about |
| [02:57:39] | wagnerrp: | i personally dont support playback issues in our own code |
| [02:57:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Wonder if any of the usual suspects will take advantages of the Services API come .25 |
| [02:57:55] | wagnerrp: | i am very much against playback issues |
| [02:58:39] | clydefrog: | thanks guys. heading out for the night. |
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| [02:58:49] | iamlindoro: | good luck, you're welcome |
| [02:58:52] | iamlindoro: | aaaaaand never mind |
| [03:01:11] | jya: | wagnerrp: if jackd is running, you will see the jack audio device appearing in the list of output |
| [03:01:22] | jya: | or so it should :) |
| [03:01:38] | jya: | you need to have compiled myth with jack support though |
| [03:01:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its compiled in (i think), just not showing up |
| [03:02:14] | wagnerrp: | but... at least that means if i have jack running properly on my side, mythtv will "just work" |
| [03:02:40] | jya: | well, you will need to select JACK: in the output |
| [03:02:46] | jya: | in the audio config |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | right, but its not showing up at all |
| [03:03:39] | jya: | ok, let me have a look |
| [03:03:56] | jya: | i have to say that I haven't tested trunk in a while |
| [03:04:04] | jya: | I only play with the 0.24 + audio backports |
| [03:04:16] | jya: | especially that now trunk just can't run against my 0.24 backend |
| [03:04:20] | wagnerrp: | if its any trouble to get jack running to test, dont bother |
| [03:04:30] | wagnerrp: | im currently just using the machine to edit cutlists |
| [03:04:35] | jya: | nah, I have a VMWare VM with it up and running |
| [03:04:38] | wagnerrp: | so no audio needed for now |
| [03:04:42] | jya: | just a matter of recompiling the last version |
| [03:04:51] | jya: | why not use pulse? |
| [03:05:22] | wagnerrp: | i keep claiming pulse sucks... cant make myself a heretic |
| [03:05:23] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:05:28] | jya: | hahah |
| [03:05:40] | jya: | I was thinking exactly the same thing as I was writing it :) |
| [03:05:53] | jya: | pulse using the ALSA interface works okay actually |
| [03:06:19] | jya: | I never understood what they are doing differently, so their alsa pulse driver work so well, yet you use their native interface it sucks |
| [03:06:56] | jya: | the last thing that convinced me it was inherently broken, was that I tried the OSS pulse interface |
| [03:07:10] | jya: | OSS is something that has been working perfectly in myth for years |
| [03:07:53] | jya: | as soon as I use the pulse OSS interface, I see exactly the same issues I see when using the native pulse interface (white noise when pause/play, resampling other than 44.1kHz etc) |
| [03:09:10] | jya: | damn, this OS X lion is such a piece of crap… I can't do commant-tab once again.. have to reboot |
| [03:09:11] | jya: | brb |
| [03:11:05] | iamlindoro: | Lion is really rough around the edges for sure |
| [03:11:17] | iamlindoro: | And a lot of things changed completely arbitrarily |
| [03:11:30] | jya: | I can't even shutdown :) |
| [03:12:06] | jya: | the worse is log gin in. it takes about 30s between the time I enter my password, and the time something occur |
| [03:12:23] | jya: | and as I have to restart my iMac twice a day because something crashed bad |
| [03:12:28] | iamlindoro: | I managed to crash the new system registration wizard... twice |
| [03:12:50] | jya: | ah ! now command-tab works once again… go figure |
| [03:12:52] | wagnerrp: | nonsense, Macs dont crash |
| [03:13:05] | jya: | wagnerrp: you're right, it doesn't crash |
| [03:13:17] | jya: | you just can't switch application anymore |
| [03:13:48] | jya: | i have to say, the new full screen for Xcode is great. Got myself an 11" macbook air, it's actually usable |
| [03:13:52] | ** wagnerrp goes to the kitchen to get more koolaid ** | |
| [03:14:05] | jya: | well, maybe I won't reboot after all |
| [03:15:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, like i said, if its any trouble, dont bother |
| [03:15:56] | jya: | i'm curious why it wouldn't work |
| [03:16:13] | jya: | I've been away for the past 2.5 months… and got back into myth for the first time last night |
| [03:16:26] | jya: | to write what, 50 lines of code, it took me 4 hours |
| [03:16:29] | ** wagnerrp is betting its his own system ** | |
| [03:16:37] | jya: | myth is sooo complicated |
| [03:16:55] | wagnerrp: | its only about a mill and a quarter lines |
| [03:16:59] | jya: | you have interactions everywhere, change one line and you break something unrelated |
| [03:17:05] | wagnerrp: | i mean what... thats two months reading? |
| [03:17:13] | iamlindoro: | jya: Hmm, I hadn't tried XCode in full screen until just now-- that is a lot better.. I had been annoyed by all the clutter |
| [03:17:59] | jya: | iamlindoro: the only thing annoying with Xcode is that you can't hide the toolbar without going into the menu, there are no keyboard shortcuts |
| [03:18:17] | jya: | and you need to learn the keyboard shortcuts, which are the most complicated things in the whole word |
| [03:18:29] | jya: | what other applications has 5 keys shortcuts |
| [03:18:40] | jya: | like command-option-shift-control-[ |
| [03:19:40] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: the strange thing is that as garbage as CBS is, the FOX affiliate is that fantastic |
| [03:20:09] | wagnerrp: | ive have 720p recordings as low as 3GB/hr with not a bit of visible pixellation |
| [03:20:15] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Nice-- we are spoiled here, the local affiliates are all tip top |
| [03:22:11] | jya: | wagnerrp: I've purchased 720P movies on iTunes ; 1.7GB on average, the give away of high compression are the dark blue and black shades |
| [03:22:29] | jya: | makes some kind of rings |
| [03:22:58] | wagnerrp: | jya: this is mpeg2, and 60fps |
| [03:23:23] | jya: | iTunes is h264, not sure of the refresh rate, pretty convinced in 60fps too |
| [03:23:45] | wagnerrp: | a movie at 60fps? not 24? |
| [03:23:57] | wagnerrp: | of course this is a show filmed at 24fps |
| [03:24:15] | wagnerrp: | and assuming their encoder has any sense, its just adding virtual padding, rather than actually duplicating the frames |
| [03:24:54] | jya: | wagnerrp: I mean what comes out of the apple TV |
| [03:26:16] | wagnerrp: | still, 1.7GB for 90+min of 720p is awfully light |
| [03:26:26] | wagnerrp: | especially considering apple likes to use CAVLC |
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| [03:38:17] | madslackin: | got a question I can't find an answer to – running mythtv version .24.1, when I play a high bitrate video with mplayer in X it works fine, but if I use the internal mythtv player, it's choppy. I've tried to get mythtv to use mplayer as an alternate player, but it always fails with an error in the log that looks like it's trying to access a storage group (Videos) when I have no such SG defined, and I have the videos se |
| [03:39:10] | wagnerrp: | high bitrate video... what bitrate? what codec? what processor? what video card? |
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| [03:40:40] | madslackin: | I don't know the answers to the first two questions, but I can't see why the video format is the concern when it plays fine in mplayer |
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| [03:41:22] | madslackin: | is there not a way to get mplayer to work as an alternate player, or is there a particular compelling reason to stick with the internal player? |
| [03:41:37] | wagnerrp: | with storage groups, mplayer will not work in mythvideo |
| [03:41:48] | madslackin: | right, and I don't have any storage groups set up in the back end |
| [03:42:07] | madslackin: | I can't figure out why it's still attempting to read from an SG |
| [03:42:30] | wagnerrp: | you dont have any folders defined for the "Videos" storage group? |
| [03:42:44] | wagnerrp: | you only defined folders using the old settings in the frontend? |
| [03:42:44] | madslackin: | correct, there is no Videos SG at all |
| [03:42:49] | madslackin: | correct |
| [03:42:57] | wagnerrp: | in that case, you can use mplayer, but understand that is a deprecated setup |
| [03:43:04] | wagnerrp: | that will be disallowed at some point in the future |
| [03:43:13] | wagnerrp: | so better to find the cause of your problem |
| [03:43:34] | madslackin: | I can understand and respect that |
| [03:43:34] | wagnerrp: | which is likely bad settings for your content and hardware |
| [03:43:46] | wagnerrp: | so lacking the other two, what processor and graphics card? |
| [03:44:16] | madslackin: | one sec |
| [03:45:30] | madslackin: | the processor is an athlon2 x2 260 3.2ghz, the vid card is a PCI-E geforce 210 (asus en210) w/ 512mb ram |
| [03:47:09] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile are you using? |
| [03:47:27] | wagnerrp: | that system should handle anything you throw at it using VDPAU Normal, VDPAU Slim, or Slim |
| [03:47:41] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre running the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| [03:48:21] | ** Beirdo knocks on wood ** | |
| [03:48:39] | madslackin: | I tried them all a few weeks ago so it's not fresh in my mind, but right now I see I'm on CPU++ (just upgraded mythtv version so perhaps it set it back to that) |
| [03:48:43] | Beirdo: | LA Dodgers winning 7–0... one inning to go |
| [03:48:48] | madslackin: | I'll try one of the vdpau versions now |
| [03:51:29] | Beirdo: | nooooo. You jerks. |
| [03:51:39] | Beirdo: | let Ted Lilly finish the bloody game! |
| [03:52:02] | madslackin: | OK, tried VDPAU Normal and it is the same as I remember now, it's substantially better than CPU++, but it gets choppy after a short time, with a bunch of the following messages in the front end log: |
| [03:52:06] | madslackin: | 2011-09–28 20:50:38.197 Player(3): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAAfAfAL |
| [03:52:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you dont want to use CPU++ |
| [03:52:33] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU Normal, or (non VDPAU) Slim |
| [03:53:23] | madslackin: | I noticed a HUGE different in mplayer when I installed the vdpau drivers, since they weren't installed by default, but I'm still noticing that mplayer plays the video smoothly, and mythtv/mythvideo has some choppiness |
| [03:54:30] | madslackin: | any other ideas for tweaking the mythvideo setttings? |
| [03:56:04] | wagnerrp: | the internal player is just generic mythtv settings, has nothing to do with mythvideo |
| [03:57:52] | madslackin: | I used the wrong word then — any ideas for further tweaking of mythtv? |
| [03:58:34] | wagnerrp: | if VDPAU Normal has problems with the content, try Slim |
| [03:59:19] | madslackin: | ok, will do |
| [04:03:07] | madslackin: | I have gotten it to play several videos smoothly that were super choppy before, so that's a good thing |
| [04:03:59] | madslackin: | but there are still a few that have some choppiness so I'd like to use mplayer as an alternative there; so if I have no Videos SG set up at all in the back end, and I have the videos path defined in the video player settings in mythtv, do you know why it would still be looking for the Videos SG? |
| [04:06:00] | wagnerrp: | you've checked mythtv-setup and made sure there is no Videos storage group defined? |
| [04:06:05] | madslackin: | correct |
| [04:06:06] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu likes to set that stuff by default |
| [04:06:17] | wagnerrp: | never set it on any other machines? |
| [04:06:20] | madslackin: | yeah — I just made sure I deleted it |
| [04:06:25] | madslackin: | and I only have the one machine |
| [04:07:32] | madslackin: | hmm, what about increasing vdpaubuffersize? |
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| [04:13:38] | wagnerrp: | that is a possible option, if your videos are poorly encoded |
| [04:14:00] | wagnerrp: | the current setting should be capable for H254 level 4.1 |
| [04:14:11] | wagnerrp: | which is the most youll see any commercial content at |
| [04:14:40] | wagnerrp: | anything that needs alterations in vdpaubuffersize is a user-encoded video, with too many reference frames than the hardware was intended to handle |
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| [04:21:25] | madslackin: | gotcha... well I'm in a much improved place now vs when I asked my question |
| [04:21:28] | madslackin: | thanks wagner :) |
| [04:22:13] | wagnerrp: | that said, the VDPAU code in 0.25 better handles automatic scaling of those values, to follow more in line with other players like mplayer |
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| [04:22:34] | madslackin: | then I have to ask — when is .25 coming out? heh |
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| [04:23:03] | wagnerrp: | in the year 2000 |
| [04:23:47] | madslackin: | I'll be too busy flying my car then to care about watching movies |
| [04:24:44] | madslackin: | gotta run, thanks for your help wagner |
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| [05:05:34] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [05:06:18] | petefoo: | /wave |
| [05:06:35] | mattwj2002: | hi petefoo |
| [05:07:13] | petefoo: | hi minnesota |
| [05:07:26] | mattwj2002: | mn/ |
| [05:07:27] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [05:07:29] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [05:08:28] | mattwj2002: | indeed that is where I am from |
| [05:08:42] | petefoo: | .mn.co |
| [05:09:00] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [05:09:14] | mattwj2002: | apparently my cloak isn;t working with the webclient |
| [05:10:33] | petefoo: | no matter |
| [05:10:40] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [05:10:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 24 shows transcoded, no issues yet |
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| [05:11:23] | mattwj2002: | I am just happy I got my mythtv setup going |
| [05:11:23] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [05:11:58] | mattwj2002: | only problem at my current recording rate a 1.5TB hd is only good for about a week |
| [05:12:00] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [05:12:17] | k-man: | mattwj2002, are you able to watch everything you record? |
| [05:12:20] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt sound right... |
| [05:12:31] | mattwj2002: | of course not |
| [05:12:36] | jya: | wagnerrp: found out the problem with JACK |
| [05:12:38] | mattwj2002: | I am recording a lot of stuff |
| [05:12:54] | mattwj2002: | I probably need to cut back |
| [05:13:09] | jya: | looks like configure generates a different #define for JACK now, so it is actually never compiled in |
| [05:13:38] | mattwj2002: | 180 programs, using 529 GB (5 days 21 hrs 6 mins) out of 1.3 TB (777 GB free). |
| [05:13:51] | mattwj2002: | it has been running since like Sunday |
| [05:14:11] | wagnerrp: | 180 programs recorded since sunday? |
| [05:14:22] | mattwj2002: | yes |
| [05:14:52] | wagnerrp: | thats absurd |
| [05:15:12] | mattwj2002: | like I said.... |
| [05:15:19] | mattwj2002: | I probably need to cut back :) |
| [05:16:49] | jya: | wagnerrp: looking at the config.h generated by configure, I'm actually surprised any of the audio modules are included, even ALSA… ' |
| [05:16:51] | wagnerrp: | jya: are you going to take care of it, or do you want me to? |
| [05:17:44] | jya: | well, first I need to find out when configure output changed… what are the name of the constant to use now.. And also, why it would have worked for some… nothing should be included right now |
| [05:18:01] | jya: | like where is USE_ALSA defined ? |
| [05:18:09] | jya: | I can't find it anywhere now |
| [05:19:04] | jya: | ah, I see… it's the generated makefile in libmyth |
| [05:20:32] | mattwj2002: | I don't know what not to record |
| [05:20:40] | mattwj2002: | I want all I have scheduled :( |
| [05:20:55] | wagnerrp: | clearly you need to buy more hard drives |
| [05:20:56] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:21:26] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [05:21:43] | mattwj2002: | if I was to buy more hard drives.... |
| [05:21:52] | mattwj2002: | I would just add them as a new storage group |
| [05:22:05] | wagnerrp: | no, you add them to the existing storage group |
| [05:22:12] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv will automatically balance between them |
| [05:22:13] | mattwj2002: | and it would just start adding it on after one fills up right? |
| [05:22:23] | mattwj2002: | balance how? |
| [05:22:41] | wagnerrp: | a combination of free space percentage and IO load |
| [05:22:47] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
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| [05:23:04] | wagnerrp: | note that expiration is done per-disk |
| [05:23:12] | jya: | ah…. USE_JACK vs USING_JACK… such a mess in there, it's all over the place and there's no consistency in the name of the constant |
| [05:23:14] | wagnerrp: | and is completely independent from the disk scheduler |
| [05:23:28] | mattwj2002: | they are cheap! |
| [05:23:29] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [05:23:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: USA Today is saying "Comedy is king" and (in the print version of the article) said that 2 1/2 Men without Charlie Sheen looked like a winner. Seems like they've updated the online article to remove that statement – http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/ . . . n/50575418/1 . I didn't keep the print version, so can't quote it (I assumed the online version would be the same). |
| [05:24:04] | sphery: | the print version seemed to imply it's a good show--not just that it had good numbers for the first episode |
| [05:24:25] | sphery: | that said, it's USA Today, so I trust your review much more |
| [05:24:35] | wagnerrp: | the disk scheduler may decide to put a recording on another disk, even though that would result in an expired recording while there is space left on the disk |
| [05:24:52] | wagnerrp: | its just not the same show |
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| [05:25:07] | wagnerrp: | and so far, its considerably more stupid humor than even the original show was |
| [05:25:08] | petefoo: | where does myth influence the bitrate of my hdpvr these days? i keep changing it at the device, and it keeps chaging back |
| [05:25:11] | sphery: | I really need to do the "follow auto-expire order" disk scheduler |
| [05:25:33] | wagnerrp: | not surprising, considering ashton tends to do nothing but stupid humor |
| [05:25:52] | sphery: | (not for me, as I don't ever let mythtv disks get full enough to expire anything, but for users who don't understand the disk scheduler stuff) |
| [05:26:05] | sphery: | petefoo: recording profiles |
| [05:26:17] | sphery: | (same as it ever was) |
| [05:26:33] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: is it good to have all the same size disk? |
| [05:26:37] | mattwj2002: | or doesn't it matter? |
| [05:27:20] | wagnerrp: | might make the behavior of the disk scheduler slightly more predictable |
| [05:27:24] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter outside of that |
| [05:27:29] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [05:27:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that makes sense... I just hope it doesn't live long--though Ashton's alleged affair may mean he's actually turning into the next Charlie Sheen |
| [05:28:02] | sphery: | guess maybe that's "research" for the role? |
| [05:29:53] | wagnerrp: | the premise is, hes some web billionaire who has been kicked out by his wife for being too immature, and wants to kill himself |
| [05:30:25] | wagnerrp: | alan talks him out of it, buys the house, and lets alan stay there, for a 'few days, couple weeks tops' so he doesnt have to stay at evelyn's |
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| [05:32:15] | sphery: | hehe, and what did they say happened to charlie's character? |
| [05:32:29] | wagnerrp: | passing train |
| [05:32:37] | jya: | wagnerrp: can you try something for me ? edit the file libs/libmyth/audio/audiooutput.cpp |
| [05:33:08] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [05:33:25] | jya: | line 388, change USING_JACK for USE_JACK |
| [05:33:31] | jya: | recompile and test :) |
| [05:34:19] | jya: | I can see myth always trying to check JACK, but error with "No ports to connect to", have to find out what is wrong with my jack server config |
| [05:34:25] | jya: | haven't played with jack for a while |
| [05:34:27] | ** wagnerrp tries to figure out how to best do that in gentoo ** | |
| [05:34:50] | jya: | I can push that change in master already |
| [05:35:14] | wagnerrp: | well, i just need to generate a patch, and then add an 'epatch <file>' line in the ebuild |
| [05:35:18] | sphery: | haha, a train wreck... how appropriate--probably the funniest joke in the whole series |
| [05:35:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i didnt say a train wreck |
| [05:35:54] | jya: | problem is also in 0.24 |
| [05:35:58] | petefoo_: | sphery: why is the bitrate so buried? shouldn't it be an atribute of the hdprv itself? or is the goal to give control to the channels? |
| [05:36:32] | wagnerrp: | petefoo_: thats where it has always been |
| [05:36:32] | petefoo_: | seems like it would be in mythtv-setup |
| [05:36:46] | sphery: | to give control to the user so they can choose to record different shows at different bitrates/resolutions/... |
| [05:36:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup is generally limited to those things that need a backend restart |
| [05:37:06] | sphery: | i.e. recording profiles are separate to allow you to select recording profiles for each individual show |
| [05:37:14] | sphery: | (it's an option in the recording rule) |
| [05:37:16] | wagnerrp: | recording profiles are something that can be changed on-the-fly |
| [05:37:28] | jya: | myavtest generates -DUSING_JACK , et mythfrontend -DUSE_JACK.. |
| [05:37:40] | petefoo_: | gotcha |
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| [05:41:04] | jya: | wagnerrp: which version of myth are you running ? |
| [05:41:43] | wagnerrp: | master, about a week old |
| [05:41:47] | jya: | ok |
| [05:42:15] | jya: | I'm changing everything from USE_ USING_ to make it consistent.. I actually don't know how this ever worked ... |
| [05:42:24] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [05:42:41] | wagnerrp: | well im building presently |
| [05:43:42] | petefoo_: | any ideas on why editing recording schedules might have broke recently? |
| [05:44:03] | wagnerrp: | editing... how? |
| [05:44:21] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about overrides? in mythweb? |
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| [05:46:54] | jya: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/BcjNnCXS |
| [05:46:59] | petefoo_: | no no. tv > schedule recordings > program finder > program |
| [05:47:36] | petefoo_: | hitting the menu from there, chosing 'edit program' results in dead end |
| [05:47:47] | petefoo_: | not sure if its arclight or me. |
| [05:47:52] | wagnerrp: | jya: should i cancel the other build? |
| [05:48:02] | sphery: | dead end = ???? |
| [05:48:04] | petefoo_: | mythweb is fine. |
| [05:48:19] | petefoo_: | dead end = hit key, no action |
| [05:48:28] | sphery: | but, speaking of dead, I finally ordered dead like me, today |
| [05:48:35] | jya: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure :P |
| [05:49:38] | sphery: | petefoo_: not sure why it would do nothing, but I have a feeling that if it does, you should see some errors in your frontend log |
| [05:50:09] | sphery: | I can't test it--my system is a bit out of reach, now--but last I used it, it worked fine |
| [05:51:50] | petefoo_: | its one of those waf problems. probably my fault, just haven't been able to nail it down. |
| [05:52:14] | sphery: | petefoo_: if you're using master, though, make sure you're using current Arclight |
| [05:52:25] | sphery: | there were changes in master that require updated themes |
| [05:52:29] | sphery: | I know Arclight was updated |
| [05:52:40] | sphery: | you can use the Theme Chooser to download the updated version |
| [05:52:47] | petefoo_: | is there a way to force an update? |
| [05:53:00] | petefoo_: | i goto theme chooser |
| [05:53:20] | petefoo_: | assume it gets me the new ones when i resync |
| [05:54:43] | sphery: | make sure you tell it to look at downloadable themes |
| [05:54:54] | sphery: | and then select the arclight with the newer version than the one you have |
| [05:55:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i saw those, hadnt gotten around to banning them yet |
| [05:55:20] | wagnerrp: | of course... it does mean i need to add 'dispostable.com' to the list of blocked addresses |
| [05:56:07] | petefoo_: | current arclight is 25.11 here. |
| [05:56:14] | petefoo_: | am i current? |
| [05:59:13] | petefoo_: | seems better now. as always, its not you, its me |
| [05:59:41] | petefoo_: | thanks |
| [06:02:34] | wagnerrp: | jya: well its trying to scan (unsuccessfully) for devices |
| [06:02:53] | jya: | is it scannling for JACK? |
| [06:02:59] | jya: | scanning that is |
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| [06:04:09] | wagnerrp: | AudioOutput Error: AOJack: No ports available to connect to |
| [06:04:34] | jya: | I got the same error, which I believe is more to do with the jack configuration |
| [06:04:54] | wagnerrp: | i figured as much |
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| [06:11:51] | jya: | wagnerrp: do you know of an audio application supporting jack audio output ? |
| [06:12:36] | wagnerrp: | i know mplayer does |
| [06:12:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont have that installed currently |
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| [06:14:55] | wagnerrp: | well im done messing with it tonight, im going to bed |
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| [09:11:32] | justinh: | mmmm. there's now a video of the stupid raspberry pi thing playing quake3 @ '1080P'. in so little ram? :-O |
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| [09:48:22] | justinh: | !trout Josh.lazkano |
| [09:48:22] | ** MythLogBot slaps Josh.lazkano with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
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| [09:56:09] | EvilGuru: | Heh, it has taken several years but there are finally PCI cards with VDPAU :P |
| [09:56:16] | EvilGuru: | card, rather |
| [10:01:41] | justinh: | what's the point, though? |
| [10:02:05] | justinh: | if your system is too old & crap to use VDPAU, you can't use VDPAU. END OF STORY |
| [10:03:26] | EvilGuru: | justinh: There are a lot of ITX type systems which would benefit |
| [10:03:39] | EvilGuru: | They often have integrated ATI/intel stuff and only PCI expansion |
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| [10:33:26] | justinh: | like I said.. if your system is too old or crap :-) |
| [10:33:36] | lyricnz: | Hmm, my backend started crashing. Could be related to the fact that the northbridge fan failed about 12 months ago.... :) |
| [10:35:28] | justinh: | EvilGuru: I could always have put a PCI VDPAU card in my Epia-M10k but thankfully I had the presence of mind to get rid of it long, long ago |
| [10:35:55] | justinh: | and amazingly, got almost what I paid for it originally (SUCKER!) |
| [10:36:38] | ** EvilGuru had a quad core itx next to him ** | |
| [10:36:43] | justinh: | time moves on. hardware grows obsolete. fact of life. Not "oh noes, I can't use my ZX81 to play broadcast HD in H.264" |
| [10:37:18] | EvilGuru: | although it is as a server/number cruncher as opposed to an htpc |
| [10:37:20] | justinh: | yes but PCI doesn't have enough throughput for uncompressed HD |
| [10:37:44] | justinh: | so you'd be bound to using VDPAU for everything – which as I gather is sub-optimal |
| [10:38:08] | EvilGuru: | usually the frame buffer is on the GPU |
| [10:40:19] | justinh: | no I mean you'd be locked in to doing GPU decompression forever – PCI is no good for more than >1Gb/sec |
| [10:40:39] | EvilGuru: | yeah |
| [10:41:03] | justinh: | so even just transferring uncompressed frames to the framebuffer... no way.. not 1080P |
| [10:41:16] | EvilGuru: | but that is quite painful anyway |
| [10:41:50] | justinh: | for whom? |
| [10:42:26] | EvilGuru: | in general, taking software decoded 1080p30 and playing it back that way |
| [10:42:37] | justinh: | nah |
| [10:43:26] | justinh: | we need to stop this madness of relying on HW acceleration. I've been there, and it's great when it works. But when it doesn't work you want to throw it on a fire |
| [10:43:49] | EvilGuru: | I agree there, it is a pain when it does not work |
| [10:44:57] | justinh: | it's all well & good in closed broadcast systems – i.e. somebody like Sky where everything is pretty rightly controlled |
| [10:45:10] | justinh: | rightly? tightly |
| [10:45:31] | justinh: | or not, as in the case of Freeview & Freesat HD |
| [10:45:38] | justinh: | hahahahahah |
| [10:45:56] | EvilGuru: | I think most consumer devices (phones, tablets, etc) depend on hardware decoding for virtually any kind of playbac |
| [10:46:05] | justinh: | well boo hoo :D |
| [10:46:25] | justinh: | of course they will, but expecting a tablet to deal with every media format under the sun is.. a bit much |
| [10:46:40] | justinh: | voila, raspberry_pi ! |
| [10:51:13] | justinh: | oh & well done whichever retarded dolt had the idea of using molex picoblade connectors in this here product. you can't remove them without breaking the plugs & ruining the lead |
| [10:52:17] | sid3windr: | now now |
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| [11:10:53] | jya: | wagnerrp: there's something wrong going on with the jack audio code, spent a few hours on it with no luck. I know my jack config is good as I can play audio with some utilities… I've contacted Ed Wood (the author of the code) to have a look at it.. |
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| [11:49:30] | mattwj2002: | good morning all |
| [11:50:18] | mattwj2002: | do you guys know if anyone on Charter has had luck getting a cable card going? |
| [11:50:46] | mattwj2002: | I have a friend on Charter that wants to get a cable card going for mythtv |
| [11:50:48] | mattwj2002: | thanks |
| [11:53:13] | justinh: | WTH? Apple have patented flexible PCBs now? |
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| [12:02:56] | justinh: | mattwj2002: kinda the wrong time of day for US folks don'tcha think? |
| [12:03:49] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [12:03:59] | mattwj2002: | I was hoping to catch one before work like me! |
| [12:04:08] | mattwj2002: | have a good day my UK friend |
| [12:04:10] | mattwj2002: | bye! |
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| [13:51:55] | rooter7: | Anyone know why channels are not showing up in the channel editor? |
| [13:52:05] | rooter7: | I have them in Schedules Direct, but they do not appear in the channel editor, even after a Fetch lineup. |
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| [14:08:58] | wagnerrp: | this is an analog tuner? |
| [14:09:33] | wagnerrp: | rooter7: ^^ |
| [14:10:31] | rooter7: | No. |
| [14:10:36] | rooter7: | R5000. |
| [14:10:55] | rooter7: | But it's the video9 sources that's the problem. |
| [14:11:03] | rooter7: | video |
| [14:11:31] | rooter7: | For Dish Network I'm missing most of the HBO channels in the 9400's. |
| [14:12:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no support for the r5000 |
| [14:12:33] | rooter7: | Irrelevant. |
| [14:12:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning this is outside code |
| [14:12:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning whoever wrote it, likely botched the job |
| [14:13:25] | rooter7: | You don't seem to understand. |
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| [14:13:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, i do |
| [14:13:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can fetch channels for some types of tuners, and not for other types of tuners |
| [14:14:33] | wagnerrp: | chances are, whoever wrote the support for that device has it marked as an other type of tuner that does not support fetching |
| [14:15:04] | rooter7: | For years I've had all of my channels with this setup, but recently Dish added the 9400's. I am not getting only about 8 of the 50 or so 9400's. |
| [14:15:43] | rooter7: | I've had this same setup for at least three years, no changes. |
| [14:21:12] | rooter7: | The TV provider's schedule and lineup, has nothing to do with the recording device. |
| [14:21:55] | rooter7: | Why are you so against the R5000? Why the hangup? Why always try to use this as a loophole? |
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| [14:52:52] | context: | what |
| [14:53:21] | rooter7: | Anyone know why channels are not showing up in the channel editor? |
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| [14:56:02] | mag0o: | rooter7: tried mythfilldatabase with --only-update-channels or --do-channel-updates ? |
| [14:56:32] | rooter7: | Haven't, but will thanks. |
| [14:57:07] | mag0o: | and if i recall, the higher number channels in Dish are usually mapped to a reasonably low channel number, usually in the ### format |
| [14:58:44] | rooter7: | They are, but Dish recently changed the format, so HighDef channels mirrored to a low number are no longer mirrored, and sometimes carry low-def. So I'm switching to the 9400's. |
| [14:58:59] | mag0o: | example: 9455 == HBO2HD == 301 |
| [14:59:10] | mag0o: | (even in schedules direct lineup) |
| [14:59:27] | mag0o: | and both have id of 59368 |
| [14:59:36] | rooter7: | Right. I have 301 in Channel Editor, but not 9455. |
| [14:59:46] | mag0o: | So, why do you need both? |
| [15:00:33] | rooter7: | Dish told me that the low channel now will carry some SD. So apparently no longer mirrored. |
| [15:01:15] | mag0o: | ah, interesting |
| [15:01:22] | rooter7: | But meh, same ID?! WTF? |
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| [15:03:13] | mag0o: | although, also in schedules direct, 301 == HBO2HD && HBO2 while HBO2HD id is 59368 and HBO2 id is 10241 |
| [15:04:55] | mag0o: | Are you sure the rep wasn't talking about how you have 2 channels per HD channel? I.E – I have 2 Cartoon Network channels via the STB, both on channel 176 and there is a setting in the STB to tune 176 HD over 176 SD |
| [15:07:59] | rooter7: | Not following your channel/IDs post, but I'm well familiar with the channel duplication thing, where there are two 107's, one SD & one HD. |
| [15:08:34] | rooter7: | She was definitely saying that the 95400's are HD all the time, whereas its low number HD will sometimes carry SD. |
| [15:08:51] | rooter7: | ... under a recent change. |
| [15:09:03] | mag0o: | interesting indeed |
| [15:09:11] | rooter7: | I noticed yesterday that suddently I no longer had the channel dupes. |
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| [15:10:33] | mag0o: | i'll have to check that out tonight |
| [15:13:13] | rooter7: | OK this is a little queer — I just did mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels and --do-channel-updates |
| [15:14:04] | rooter7: | ... and now in Channel Editor with Name sort, I only see 300's for HBO. Before I at least had the 9400 for 300 together. |
| [15:14:28] | rooter7: | Now no 9400's for HBO in name sort. But in number sort... |
| [15:15:14] | mag0o: | not sure on that |
| [15:15:21] | rooter7: | I now have the 9400's for all HBO channels! How can that be? Why wouldn't there be two entries for each HBO, one on 300's and one in 9400's? |
| [15:15:36] | mag0o: | Same ID's ? |
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| [15:15:49] | mag0o: | check the output from mythfilldatabase --help to see which one will do that |
| [15:16:14] | rooter7: | IDK, but the newly-appeared 9400's are all visible, and I didn't check them so. I'll go check IDs. |
| [15:18:45] | rooter7: | Hiinteresting... HBO2HD 9455 is 59368 and 301 is 10241, lending credence to their new seperate status. |
| [15:19:24] | rooter7: | Up till now they've always been mirrored. |
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| [15:20:10] | rooter7: | Looks like she's right, and it's a good idea to switch to the 9400's. I have the HD only package anyway (to save money). |
| [15:22:36] | rooter7: | HBO2HD 301 should be with 9455 in name sort, although maybe with different IDs they won't be? |
| [15:30:30] | mag0o: | in schedules direct, which 301 HBO2 did you choose? |
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| [15:45:25] | rooter7: | Only have one 301. |
| [15:45:32] | rooter7: | Turned it off. |
| [15:45:42] | rooter7: | Enabled 9455 instead. |
| [15:46:21] | rooter7: | Something else weird: I have channel dupes in the Channel Editor. Two, sometimes three entries of the same channel number with the same ID. |
| [15:47:00] | rooter7: | One may refer to a logo in /root/.mythtv/channels and the other to /home/{user}/.mythtv/channels |
| [15:47:26] | rooter7: | ... so apparently at some point I ran mythfilldatabase as root, although not today. |
| [15:47:54] | rooter7: | Wish I could remove the dupes. Made them not visible at least. |
| [15:49:01] | rooter7: | Oh, I see your question; I have HBO2HD only enabled. |
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| [16:10:49] | notlistening: | Back again, slowly solving my problems, myth keeps telling me to rescan my transports, which i do but get strange behaviour. I have the same ariel split through a booster to my homerun and i get different channels on both scans. This is in the uk. I have scanned for TV+Radio but keep getting this error |
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| [16:13:51] | notlistening: | is this a problem in the uk that some of the data is not sent all the time? |
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| [16:21:45] | DjMadness: | I was actually wondering, is there any free iptv services that works along with mythtv ? (for extra channels etc) i am not speaking of anything illigle or something, but looking for the option of some more channels than are availible here |
| [16:23:31] | wagnerrp: | free? not that im aware of |
| [16:24:03] | wagnerrp: | there are various on-demand sites that you can access through mythnetvision |
| [16:24:07] | wagnerrp: | but then thats not iptv |
| [16:25:02] | DjMadness: | i seam to have issues with mythnetvision, as in its requireing a mouse (the buttons on the remote wont click on f.ex comedycentral's players) |
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| [16:25:47] | wagnerrp: | for some sites, thats simply a requirement |
| [16:26:05] | wagnerrp: | for others, they include a an API for control |
| [16:26:12] | context: | djmadness: if there was something free that worked with mythtv it wouldn't last that long. as it'd be horded by all the myth users and the owner would quickly realize bandwidth isnt free |
| [16:26:14] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv can use that to allow control through a remote |
| [16:26:37] | wagnerrp: | i think such capability only exists with 0.25 |
| [16:27:19] | DjMadness: | context: well the method could of been ie p2p etc |
| [16:27:50] | DjMadness: | p2p is a fair method imo, and a good way to save bw |
| [16:28:40] | wagnerrp: | p2p is a good way to be cheap, but a terrible way to save bandwidth |
| [16:29:02] | DjMadness: | for the server owners it is... would be the end users using most bw in the end |
| [16:29:38] | wagnerrp: | and the ISPs not designed to handle that kind of throughput |
| [16:29:56] | wagnerrp: | and the P2P protocol not designed to manage proximity |
| [16:30:23] | DjMadness: | true, but some methods could be used to prioritise the same isp and country/area etc |
| [16:31:03] | wagnerrp: | they could, but they arent |
| [16:32:03] | DjMadness: | truem i guess the best way is to use vlc and have some daemon setup to handle channel changing etc |
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| [16:35:31] | wagnerrp: | DjMadness: what im getting at is that P2P is an absolutely awful mode of transmission compared to any structured approach |
| [16:35:46] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about something live, you register a multicast address, and send it once |
| [16:36:17] | wagnerrp: | you use only whatever the bandwidth of that single instance |
| [16:36:29] | wagnerrp: | and routers on up the chain manage sending the stream to whoever wants it |
| [16:37:02] | wagnerrp: | if its not live, you rent space with some content distribution network, how has servers located all over the country |
| [16:37:16] | wagnerrp: | and individual users only pull the content from the closest server, which may be inside the ISP |
| [16:37:51] | wagnerrp: | costing a fraction of the bandwidth from the server as it would all those users pulling from each other |
| [16:38:35] | wagnerrp: | anyone who decides to use P2P as a distribution mechanism for any funded corporation needs to take a class in network infrastructure |
| [16:45:20] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: The BBC used P2P when they first launched iplayer, IIRC |
| [16:46:26] | wagnerrp: | someone probably slapped their engineers around a bit, and taught them a thing about network infrastructure |
| [16:46:38] | EvilGuru: | What is better on a global scale is mostly irrelevant when you do not have to pay for a CDN etc |
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| [16:47:50] | wagnerrp: | most ISPs would probably be happy to allow them to place a couple servers in a coloc facility |
| [16:48:04] | wagnerrp: | so that their users could draw directly, rather than pull from their upstream bandwidth |
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| [16:48:24] | EvilGuru: | Here virtually all of the cost is in the last mile of distribution |
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| [16:50:36] | wagnerrp: | in which case, central servers at a coloc would effectively halve their last-mile load, compared to P2P |
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| [16:58:40] | DjMadness: | wagnerrp: true, kinda forgot about live would av an issue with p2p aswell |
| [16:59:04] | DjMadness: | oh btw, how should i press "play" on mythnetvideo ? (the button "5" does not work) |
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| [17:18:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the cutlist auto-saving is fantastic |
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| [17:27:17] | DjMadness: | i am able to use the key "5" to click on the browser, but on ie trailers etc i am unale to click the play button |
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| [17:31:21] | wagnerrp: | in cases where the player provides a javascript interface to control it, that will function a lot better in 0.25 |
| [17:32:32] | DjMadness: | okeys... i guess i'll compile latest git version (or whatever version control i being used, il find that out for my self with a quick google :)) |
| [17:33:20] | wagnerrp: | this is iplayer? |
| [17:33:33] | wagnerrp: | i think those enhancements have only been written for youtube and vimeo so far |
| [17:33:47] | DjMadness: | its f.ex hulu etc |
| [17:33:54] | DjMadness: | comedy central aswell |
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| [17:34:27] | wagnerrp: | oh, that was Evil that mentioned iplayer |
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| [17:35:07] | DjMadness: | trying to make everything as seamless as possable :) |
| [17:36:20] | DjMadness: | once i have it all working i will pack it down and reinstall the system on a stripped down gentoo and write my own theme |
| [17:36:54] | DjMadness: | i've noticed the theming engine is alot more powerful than it used to be :) |
| [17:37:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats a source of contention with the users |
| [17:37:58] | wagnerrp: | control was taken away from the user, and given to the themer |
| [17:38:04] | wagnerrp: | and the users dont much like that |
| [17:39:25] | DjMadness: | well imo myth has always been great, just been lacking a few features here and there, but over time they get incorperated |
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| [17:46:16] | twiggy: | hey does the amount of connections to my antenna matter or is it the amount of connections that are currently in use? |
| [17:46:39] | twiggy: | It is just a OTA antenna btw not sat |
| [17:47:08] | wagnerrp: | total number |
| [17:47:27] | wagnerrp: | if you have more than one connection, you would be well served by an amp |
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| [17:47:56] | twiggy: | It does have an amp. Does that mean it can handle a few or at that point it doesnt matter? |
| [17:48:30] | wagnerrp: | depends on how much amplification the amp provides |
| [17:48:56] | wagnerrp: | one split is 3db |
| [17:49:22] | wagnerrp: | so a 12db amp could service 16 devices |
| [17:49:31] | twiggy: | so with the amp that comes with a amplified indoor outdoor and 100 ft of quad shield RG6, do you think I will see any difference in signal going from 2 connections to 3? |
| [17:50:18] | wagnerrp: | again, depends on how much amplification the amp provides |
| [17:50:30] | wagnerrp: | easy way to check, remove one of the splitters and see what happens |
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| [17:51:16] | twiggy: | looks to be 20db amp. The amp is super cheesy so I would guess that that is the max output |
| [17:51:32] | wagnerrp: | 20db is awfully high |
| [17:51:51] | wagnerrp: | the problem with an amplified antenna is that you amplify the noise just as much as the signal |
| [17:52:01] | wagnerrp: | and you can overdrive the tuner |
| [17:52:11] | wagnerrp: | too much power is just as bad as too little |
| [17:53:20] | twiggy: | well hmm. It was a radioshack omnidirectional antenna that is no longer available |
| [17:54:46] | twiggy: | well I suppose I will just go the trial and error route and make changes if I need. |
| [17:55:11] | twiggy: | thanks |
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| [17:57:32] | notlistening: | wagnerrp, I just updated to the latest 2.4 fixes on mythbuntu and mythweb is no longer working any clues? |
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| [17:58:42] | wagnerrp: | much of mythweb was split off into the php bindings |
| [17:58:47] | Beirdo: | crap |
| [17:58:47] | wagnerrp: | have you installed the php bindings? |
| [17:59:03] | Beirdo: | lost my fantasy league finals... by 80 pts out of 880 |
| [18:00:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: something like 40 episodes transcoded, no faults yet |
| [18:01:06] | notlistening: | wagnerrp, not sure what are they called? |
| [18:01:25] | wagnerrp: | the php bindings |
| [18:01:31] | wagnerrp: | theyre part of the core install |
| [18:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but mythbuntu breaks apart the core install |
| [18:01:48] | wagnerrp: | so where ever they put them, is where you need to find them |
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| [18:06:26] | wagnerrp: | you know... you would think with all this time wasted on the mailing list discussing how long livetv channel changes take |
| [18:06:42] | wagnerrp: | someone would have just written a new interface that solves all our problems |
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| [18:09:01] | wagnerrp: | its so clearly a hot topic for so many people |
| [18:09:10] | wagnerrp: | why doesnt one of them do something about it |
| [18:15:10] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I don't think we split off php |
| [18:15:21] | tgm4883: | we don't have a package for it that I can see |
| [18:15:38] | wagnerrp: | did that not happen until trunk? |
| [18:16:15] | wagnerrp: | seems not, 0.24 mythweb still had its guts inside |
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| [18:18:56] | tgm4883: | yea thats a 0.25 thing |
| [18:24:10] | wagnerrp: | ten months without release is a bad thing, im getting the capabilities jumbled up |
| [18:24:23] | wagnerrp: | "php bindings were a long time ago, thats got to be in 0.24" |
| [18:26:16] | tgm4883: | spin news: MythTV developer overheard saying that a 1.0 release is imminent |
| [18:26:57] | wagnerrp: | tomorrow news: ticks fly out of my nipples |
| [18:27:36] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, would that be part of the mythticks package, or the mythnipples package? |
| [18:28:35] | wagnerrp: | sadly, that package got rejected... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvquABHvQ#t=2m24s |
| [18:28:43] | wagnerrp: | s/package/plugin/ |
| [18:29:08] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [18:29:17] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOvqeABHvQ#t=2m24s |
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| [18:36:48] | justinh: | wagnerrp: this new interface would be based entirely on clutter & completed in a whole afternoon |
| [18:38:09] | wagnerrp: | didnt someone already try that for 0.21? |
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| [18:39:22] | justinh: | yeah while mythui was under intensive development. somebody said they hoped it would be a candidate for consideration. I said "yeah, way to wee on the dev's bonfire" & they never came back |
| [18:41:16] | wagnerrp: | i would love to see opengl or directx become a requirement |
| [18:41:37] | justinh: | me too |
| [18:41:42] | wagnerrp: | but... we would lose a lot of people in the break |
| [18:41:48] | justinh: | you think so? |
| [18:42:00] | wagnerrp: | xbmc seems to have weathered through it though |
| [18:42:01] | justinh: | xbmc don't seem to do so badly |
| [18:42:26] | justinh: | besides, your gl hardware has to be pretty darn crap for mythui to be painful |
| [18:42:51] | justinh: | I mean, openchrome kind of crap |
| [18:44:01] | justinh: | the way the gl painter works right now AFAIK most of the UI is completely redrawn all the time anyway, so adding animation won't be much extra load |
| [18:44:13] | justinh: | maybe effects... |
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| [19:14:56] | DjMadness: | i seam to be getting "2011-09–29 21:13:57.233206 E Error preparing query: INSERT INTO logging (host, application, pid, thread, msgtime, level, message) VALUES (:HOST, :APP, :PID, :THREAD, :MSGTIME, :LEVEL, :ME SSAGE)" is there any solution to this ? (ie some sql script i should run etc) |
| [19:18:11] | justinh: | oof |
| [19:18:23] | justinh: | unless you don't have a database... |
| [19:18:27] | wagnerrp: | 'logging' is a largely unused database logging table, that has been completely rewritten for 0.25 |
| [19:18:40] | justinh: | or the db is borked. better check it |
| [19:18:42] | DjMadness: | i do have a database, i am upgrading |
| [19:18:55] | DjMadness: | it worked right before i compiled the new version |
| [19:19:01] | wagnerrp: | run optimize_database.pl with the backend off to check if it needs to be repaired (and automatically perform the repair) |
| [19:19:08] | wagnerrp: | new version? 0.25? |
| [19:19:12] | DjMadness: | latest git |
| [19:19:19] | wagnerrp: | what branch? |
| [19:19:32] | DjMadness: | default branch |
| [19:19:42] | wagnerrp: | master, meaning 0.25 |
| [19:19:47] | DjMadness: | ye |
| [19:20:59] | wagnerrp: | try truncating that table, and see if it fixes the issues |
| [19:21:20] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, we need to see some context around that log |
| [19:22:11] | DjMadness: | table does not exist |
| [19:22:22] | DjMadness: | hmm |
| [19:22:30] | wagnerrp: | well then, thats a problem |
| [19:22:32] | DjMadness: | where is the optimize_database.pl script located ? |
| [19:22:42] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter if your schema is borked |
| [19:23:54] | DjMadness: | wheres the template for the database ? (i have too many settings to just lose it all) |
| [19:29:11] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a logging table at all? |
| [19:29:43] | wagnerrp: | you just updated, have you run mythtv-setup? |
| [19:31:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery, Beirdo: might be a good idea to drop the mythlog table for cleanliness |
| [19:31:10] | ** justinh wonders if inkscape can export multiple shapes to separate files ** | |
| [19:31:15] | DjMadness: | its mythtv-setup i am trying to run |
| [19:31:34] | wagnerrp: | has it tried to update the schema yet? |
| [19:32:01] | DjMadness: | its just spitting out errors and stuck at a blue screen (the theme with nothing on it) |
| [19:32:33] | wagnerrp: | it should ask you if you want to update the database |
| [19:32:44] | wagnerrp: | and then start running through a series of schema updates |
| [19:32:51] | wagnerrp: | on of which is to create the logging table |
| [19:33:04] | DjMadness: | yep thats that it used to do in the past |
| [19:33:27] | DjMadness: | i guess i will backup |
| [19:33:42] | wagnerrp: | no, its supposed to make a backup prior to updating |
| [19:33:42] | DjMadness: | and restore after i delete all databases... |
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| [19:58:05] | justinh: | ooo. lovely new progressbar :-) |
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| [20:27:29] | wagnerrp: | we need to know what type of tuner you need |
| [20:28:22] | fwest: | being ignorant to what i need, its going to have to be usb, uk, ideally supporting HD |
| [20:28:42] | wagnerrp: | would that be broadcast, cable, or satellit? |
| [20:29:15] | fwest: | broadcast |
| [20:29:28] | wagnerrp: | so that would be DVB-T |
| [20:29:34] | fwest: | ah thanks |
| [20:30:06] | justinh: | HD? then DVB-T2 |
| [20:30:15] | wagnerrp: | technically, we dont support tuner cards (there are a few exceptions), we support tuner card interfaces |
| [20:30:21] | justinh: | oh, and FWIW driver support is very new to linux. Bleedingly new |
| [20:30:32] | justinh: | for dvb-t2 devices I mean |
| [20:30:34] | wagnerrp: | we support the Linux DVB interface, and any card with drivers exposing that interface |
| [20:30:47] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv project writes the drivers |
| [20:30:50] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [20:30:50] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [20:31:42] | justinh: | for freeviewHD... http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T2_USB_Devices |
| [20:33:04] | fwest: | oh dear |
| [20:33:12] | justinh: | indeed :-) |
| [20:33:58] | fwest: | oh i am in no hurry |
| [20:34:13] | justinh: | people are using the PCTV nanostick thing, but I'd consider those folks early adopters.. and brave.. or desperate :P |
| [20:34:35] | fwest: | i just fancied a toy |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | heh, i was expecting to see that page empty with a 'nothing to see here, move along' |
| [20:34:42] | fwest: | not a project |
| [20:35:40] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.40? |
| [20:35:41] | justinh: | heh. mythtv started out as a bit of a toy for me.. now here I am with terabytes of storage, 3 tuners, a dedicated backend machine.... |
| [20:36:02] | laga_: | .. no life... |
| [20:36:04] | ** laga_ hides ;) ** | |
| [20:36:05] | wagnerrp: | whats that? you pity those file squirrels with terabytes of storage? |
| [20:36:24] | justinh: | oh and don't forget you need a pretty honking fast machine to play HD from freeview |
| [20:36:47] | justinh: | wagnerrp: ha. I still don't keep *everything* I record |
| [20:36:55] | fwest: | an atom/ion combo wouldn't be good enough? |
| [20:37:26] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [20:37:34] | fwest: | oh really |
| [20:37:53] | fwest: | damn |
| [20:37:55] | justinh: | maybe, but I wouldn't bet my house on it being able to cope with every change the BBC makes to their streams |
| [20:38:30] | wagnerrp: | <justinh> blimmin file squirrels. they're all the same :-D |
| [20:38:50] | fwest: | oh that sucks |
| [20:38:57] | justinh: | hey, I need somewhere to put my dvd rips |
| [20:39:09] | justinh: | and my ever-expanding photo & home movie collection |
| [20:39:39] | wagnerrp: | fwest: the problem with IONs is that they require hardware decoding |
| [20:39:56] | justinh: | and the problem with Atoms is that they simply just suck |
| [20:40:14] | iamlindoro: | But aside from that they're great |
| [20:40:19] | wagnerrp: | hardware decoding is by very definition, statically defined at the time of burning |
| [20:40:34] | dekarl: | With german broadcaster pushing 4 weeks of guide down via EIT I'm wondering if I can have this small patch applied... It makes false warnings about the xmltv grabber go away :) http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9990 |
| [20:40:36] | wagnerrp: | if the video is in a format the chip supports, all is good |
| [20:40:49] | fwest: | what hardware would you suggest? |
| [20:40:51] | wagnerrp: | if the video is not in a format the chip supports, all you can do is fall back to software decoding |
| [20:40:58] | justinh: | a proper modern CPU |
| [20:41:06] | wagnerrp: | and with an Atom, you barely have enough for standard definition h264 content |
| [20:41:21] | wagnerrp: | anything HD just sits there and mocks you at two frames per second |
| [20:41:28] | justinh: | e.g. dual/quad 3Ghz ish |
| [20:41:54] | fwest: | groan |
| [20:42:00] | wagnerrp: | that stuff is multi-sliced these days? |
| [20:42:00] | justinh: | a < 2Ghz core2duo can't play BBC HD |
| [20:42:02] | fwest: | i think i will just forget it |
| [20:42:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah broadcast generally is over here AFAIK |
| [20:42:41] | wagnerrp: | what bitrate? |
| [20:42:50] | justinh: | about 11Mbit/sec IIRC |
| [20:42:52] | mag0o: | i'v enever understood where people say the atom wont handle it, I've an atom frontend w/ dish network hd and ota hd, both of which play fine on it. |
| [20:42:52] | justinh: | tops |
| [20:43:09] | justinh: | mag0o: your OTA HD is mpeg2 |
| [20:43:35] | wagnerrp: | well thats not bad, something around a 2.2GHz Core2 will handle that |
| [20:43:46] | wagnerrp: | much less if its multi-sliced |
| [20:43:57] | justinh: | and the BBC are kind of notorious for messing with the freeviewHD streams to the extent that even production TVs can't handle it |
| [20:44:18] | mag0o: | justinh: that i'm not sure of really, us bcast ota |
| [20:44:29] | justinh: | mag0o: OTA in the US is definitely mpeg2 |
| [20:44:32] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: anything ATSC should be handled just fine by VDPAU, assuming its a clean stream with little to no errors |
| [20:44:49] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile, DishHD means HDPVR, which means VDPAU compliant material |
| [20:45:09] | fwest: | ah i get it |
| [20:45:30] | justinh: | IIRC there've been several tickets relating to BBC HD streams causing mythtv problems for both software and hardware decoding |
| [20:46:18] | fwest: | maybe i will just run boxee |
| [20:46:52] | mag0o: | correct wagnerrp, HDPVR with the Dish |
| [20:46:55] | justinh: | boxee won't help either |
| [20:47:12] | justinh: | won't get you freeviewHD |
| [20:47:23] | justinh: | or indeed much UK-based stuff |
| [20:48:04] | fwest: | oh well |
| [20:48:44] | fwest: | i was just going for content |
| [20:48:47] | justinh: | maybe they have the iPlayer now, but even the 'hd' iPlayer stuff isn't really HD |
| [20:48:51] | fwest: | oh well screw it |
| [20:49:54] | fwest: | lovefilm's streaming stuff is so low quality it hurts |
| [20:50:41] | justinh: | most streaming stuff generally is |
| [20:50:57] | justinh: | might look ok on a 32" CRT.. but likely not on a HDTV |
| [20:52:13] | fwest: | yep |
| [20:53:03] | fwest: | in terms of cpu, i could always throw one of my xeno's at it |
| [20:53:42] | fwest: | mind you, i would have to re-cable a tv aerial into the garage |
| [20:53:52] | wagnerrp: | xeno? |
| [20:54:13] | fwest: | xeon |
| [20:54:29] | wagnerrp: | capture isnt the problem, its playback |
| [20:54:29] | dekarl: | DjMadness: Free IPTV like iPad streams of NASA TV or Al Jazeera? (it's basically a MPEG TS after all, just split and wrapped in funky http bits) If you like the VLC route plus a daemon for channel changing (I use mythbackend as the daemon) I tried to document a simple way here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox extension appreciated |
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| [20:54:41] | fwest: | i thought it was the decoding |
| [20:54:47] | wagnerrp: | playback is decoding |
| [20:54:53] | wagnerrp: | which is done on the frontend |
| [20:54:56] | fwest: | oh |
| [20:54:59] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to recording, which is done on the backend |
| [20:55:09] | justinh: | heh you won't be sending uncompressed HD over a home network |
| [20:55:21] | wagnerrp: | well you could, in theory |
| [20:55:30] | wagnerrp: | but thats about all you would be doing |
| [20:55:42] | fwest: | i didn't think it would be too much for gigabit |
| [20:55:46] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [20:56:08] | justinh: | do the sums. 1920x1080x32x50 (e.g. for UK) ... |
| [20:56:23] | wagnerrp: | 32? no... 12 |
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| [20:57:10] | wagnerrp: | hmm... forgot you actually get p50 content over there |
| [20:57:31] | wagnerrp: | that changes things a bit |
| [20:57:40] | justinh: | yeh. tips it over the gigabit |
| [20:58:00] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking of i25 |
| [20:59:38] | justinh: | anyway... to summarise... uncompressed HD over a network.. pretty much a very dumb idea :-) |
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| [21:00:39] | fwest: | can't say i knew anything about the problem |
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| [21:01:07] | fwest: | so the options really are pretty limited |
| [21:01:34] | justinh: | lots of people make the assumption it's not a bad idea.. but then they haven't really thought about it much :-) |
| [21:02:05] | dekarl: | ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/diracpro.shtml ;) |
| [21:02:08] | fwest: | nope, i just felt like a new toy |
| [21:02:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the other thing |
| [21:02:58] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU... not a chance of support for dirac |
| [21:03:32] | dekarl: | but then VDPAU isn't exactly what I'd except in a production environment |
| [21:05:06] | ** dekarl looks up the release plan... ohh Dirac comes to chips around here directly after WebM... ** | |
| [21:05:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:05:33] | wagnerrp: | just adding reasons why relying completely on hardware decoding is a bad idea |
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| [21:07:57] | lapion: | where can I find the list of latest bugfixes ? |
| [21:08:35] | justinh: | hmmm.. watermarks.. animated, or not animated.. or just not bother with em at all? |
| [21:09:03] | dekarl: | lapion, if you want packages it depends on your distribution. the source is at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0.24 |
| [21:09:40] | fwest: | thanks for the info |
| [21:10:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: is there a release roadmap (in particular a release date goal) for 0.25? |
| [21:10:36] | dekarl: | lapion: are you running mythbuntu? |
| [21:11:06] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: nope |
| [21:11:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [21:11:21] | dekarl: | tlhiv_laptop: I'd hint at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap but that looks outdated |
| [21:12:01] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah is there any indication that 0.25 will be released 10 days from now ;) |
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| [21:16:19] | justinh: | why 10 days? |
| [21:16:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | that link seems to indicate 10 days |
| [21:16:45] | wagnerrp: | thats what the roadmap says |
| [21:16:56] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 is due in 10 days |
| [21:17:28] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: agreed. I'll remind the sphery when I see him :) |
| [21:17:36] | justinh: | heh there's not even been a feature freeze yet |
| [21:18:08] | Beirdo: | we need to discuss that again, I'd like to head towards feature freeze soon if there's nothing massive outstanding |
| [21:18:20] | Beirdo: | if there is, it would be good to know what is outstanding... etc. |
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| [21:19:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | the only feature that seems to be lacking that i would like to see is when you play a video file in a folder, that it would continuing playing ever subsequent file in that folder until it has played them all ... currently you can only play the entire folder which doesn't let you start at an arbitrary file in that folder to start |
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| [21:19:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp indicated that a restructuring of the playlist or something for mythvideo would resemble mythmusic |
| [21:20:13] | tlhiv_laptop: | this feature does exist in mythmusic |
| [21:20:21] | justinh: | hmmm mythmusic.. wonder how that's going |
| [21:20:44] | lapion: | dekarl, no I am running mythtv on top of a ubuntu system |
| [21:21:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, I see Paul fiddling on other code, so he's around. Not sure how mythmusic is these days |
| [21:21:08] | wagnerrp: | i did no such thing |
| [21:21:13] | lapion: | dekarl, using ppa 0.24 as a source for mythtv |
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| [21:21:33] | dekarl: | lapion: 0.24-fixes mythbuntu PPA sounds good |
| [21:21:38] | wagnerrp: | i indicated that there was a plan to partially merge all the tables used for storing media content |
| [21:21:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | i guess i misunderstood then |
| [21:22:02] | justinh: | I zapped my music-ui.xml tonight... no point even going near it til mythmusic is rewritten |
| [21:22:03] | wagnerrp: | at which time, the code that managed recording playlists could be adapted to mythvideo content more easily |
| [21:22:33] | lapion: | dekarl, yeah, I only dislike the fact that the update-manager can't display a fixes list for myth |
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| [21:22:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: might want to give paul-h a poke |
| [21:22:45] | justinh: | yeah, all mythtv media really needs to er.. converge a bit ;) – as I understand it that's one of the goals |
| [21:22:53] | wagnerrp: | apparently hes been running his changes since the beginning of the year |
| [21:23:05] | justinh: | wow. for that long? |
| [21:23:34] | justinh: | I'm not generally pernickety about such stuff but it really would've been nice to have seen something of it |
| [21:24:14] | lapion: | laters dekarl time to go to bed.. |
| [21:24:46] | dekarl: | lapion: you could try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes |
| [21:24:52] | dekarl: | good idea |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | justinh: I think he's on the same big island as you, you could go bribe him with pints. |
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| [21:25:53] | justinh: | we could live on the same street for all I know |
| [21:26:20] | Beirdo: | heh, true |
| [21:28:57] | justinh: | I doubt it though. wonder how many active mythtv people there are in the UK nowadays |
| [21:29:19] | Beirdo: | two Stuarts, you, Paul... Mark... |
| [21:29:47] | Beirdo: | LVR, I think, a bunch of others |
| [21:30:01] | Beirdo: | just go look who's whining every time BBC buggers up HD :) |
| [21:30:08] | justinh: | stuarta still around? thought he was busy with offspringing ;) |
| [21:30:16] | Beirdo: | he's around at times |
| [21:30:27] | Beirdo: | busy man, no doubt, but he's around some |
| [21:30:42] | notlistening: | here is my apache error.log after restaring |
| [21:30:47] | notlistening: | http://pastebin.com/zC09vbDS |
| [21:31:20] | Beirdo: | oooh, paul-h is changing stuff to use mythui? |
| [21:33:03] | justinh: | Beirdo: yeah so I heard |
| [21:33:12] | justinh: | complete rewrite of mythmusic |
| [21:34:05] | justinh: | I just hope it sees the light of day. it wouldn't be the 1st time somebody set out to redo mythmusic & spend a lot of time on it only for nothing to come of it :-\ |
| [21:34:17] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: mark finished moving back already? |
| [21:34:43] | justinh: | I think it's a double-edged sword when development happens behind closed doors, so to speak |
| [21:35:03] | justinh: | the benefit is that you don't get every tom & dick wading in with their $0.02 all the time... |
| [21:35:32] | justinh: | but on the other hand.. there's no help if you need it, nor words of encouragement either |
| [21:36:07] | notlistening: | only is it ready yet, and its got bugs |
| [21:36:42] | lapion: | dekarl, thanks, that was what I was looking for, however way out of date... |
| [21:36:59] | lapion: | dekarl, laters.. |
| [21:37:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I've seen him commit a bit, so he might be back |
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| [21:37:59] | Beirdo: | justinh: AND, if you do it behind closed doors, any peripheral changes to your code cause endless merging |
| [21:38:37] | Beirdo: | rather than on a git branch that nobody else is likely to touch, but at least we could be aware of what's going on and not stomp toes as much |
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| [21:42:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh: On the other hand, those tasks which have been made public in the past have never yielded any offers or tangible help that I can recall |
| [21:42:47] | iamlindoro: | (from outside of existing devs, that is) |
| [21:42:50] | justinh: | heh well there's always that |
| [21:43:20] | justinh: | I remember asking for help with a few things on the -dev list, to a warm tumbleweed procession |
| [21:43:37] | Beirdo: | HEHE |
| [21:43:40] | Beirdo: | sorry, caps |
| [21:43:45] | justinh: | whereas the devs who hang out on IRC... salts of the Earth :-) |
| [21:44:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, we've definitely seen lack of interest until the time that it's made mainstream |
| [21:44:08] | justinh: | I wouldn't have been able to contribute a jot without that :) |
| [21:44:13] | Beirdo: | then the complaints come outta the woodwork |
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| [21:45:17] | justinh: | I doubt it could end up being any 'worse' than it is now. not that it's ever been totally unintuitive to me |
| [21:45:51] | justinh: | I mean any system of managing bazillions of items in lists is always going to have drawbacks |
| [21:46:11] | justinh: | especially one bound to being prodded with a remote control :-) |
| [21:47:10] | sharp15: | are there linux hdtv tuner cards with hardware mpeg encoding? |
| [21:47:38] | sharp15: | other codecs are allowed. i just picked one. |
| [21:47:44] | justinh: | sharp15: no |
| [21:48:00] | justinh: | there's a USB h.264 encoder which takes component input, and that's it |
| [21:48:22] | justinh: | unless you mean HDTV tuner cards with SDTV mpeg encoding for analogue inputs |
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| [21:49:03] | justinh: | oh, and now the hauppauge colossus.. which allegedly takes HDMI input.. on a pci-e card & turns it into h.264 but I dunno if that's working in linux yet |
| [21:49:25] | justinh: | that'd be HDMI without HDCP btw |
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| [21:50:17] | sharp15: | i was just hoping someone had included a hardware encoder in their card. it would really cut down on the cpu power i needed. |
| [21:50:58] | sharp15: | justinh: ok. thanks. |
| [21:50:58] | justinh: | that's just it. HDTV tuners just take broadcast HD & allow the system to slap the streams down onto disk. very low CPU usage |
| [21:51:32] | sharp15: | justinh: so the stream leaves the card encoded how? |
| [21:51:39] | justinh: | as it arrives over the air |
| [21:51:47] | justinh: | i.e. already compressed |
| [21:51:53] | sharp15: | oh. so they just demodulate it. |
| [21:52:16] | justinh: | yeh. demodulate.. pass over the bus... then mythtv puts it onto disk |
| [21:52:26] | sharp15: | why does the pchdtv 5500 think it needs a 1.2GHz cpu for this then? |
| [21:52:45] | sharp15: | http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html |
| [21:53:02] | justinh: | because you need a CPU capable of playing the stuff |
| [21:53:20] | justinh: | not that I think a 1.2Ghz CPU could play mpeg2 HD |
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| [21:55:47] | justinh: | anyway if I were you I really wouldn't consider a CPU lowlier than 1.2Ghz, HD or no HD |
| [21:55:54] | sharp15: | and there is no way to put the decoding load on something other than the cpu? specifically something that can be turned off when not in use. |
| [21:56:11] | justinh: | the decoding is only needed for playback |
| [21:56:33] | sharp15: | i understand that. |
| [21:56:36] | justinh: | and yes, you can offload it to video hardware such as on recent nvidia cards.. but you're putting all your eggs in one basket there |
| [21:56:54] | justinh: | i.e. anything the GPU can't cope with – you're boned |
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| [21:57:27] | justinh: | so if you're looking for a mythical convergence box with an average power draw of 10 picowatts.. time for a reality check |
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| [21:59:23] | sharp15: | i'm only trying to make sure it wasn't drawing huge amounts of power when not in use (recording, playback). |
| [21:59:33] | sharp15: | s/wasn't/isn'tl |
| [21:59:39] | justinh: | huge? what would you call huge? |
| [21:59:43] | ** sharp15 why can't i type? ** | |
| [21:59:44] | justinh: | 100? 200? 500? |
| [22:00:02] | sharp15: | not sure. just reasonably low. |
| [22:00:09] | justinh: | even commercial DVRs tend to take in the region of 25W or more, always on |
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| [22:00:52] | justinh: | and depending on the PSU you put in a PC, even in standby you could be talking 10W when it's 'off' |
| [22:01:10] | sharp15: | that seems silly but its just my opinion. |
| [22:01:26] | justinh: | so you could splurge on an 'efficient' PSU.. but that might take a long time to recoup the difference |
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| [22:02:59] | justinh: | FWIW if you're thinking about buying a new system to 'save' you power consumption purely on the basis of it being efficient by being puny.. don't |
| [22:03:41] | sharp15: | the system would be new anyway. both of the machines i have are falling apart. |
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| [22:04:10] | justinh: | modern powerful systems can scale their power consumption, so if you're not pounding it, they don't draw much juice.. and the horsepower will be there when you need it. unlike, say.. an atom.. which will top out at X watts but always be impotent |
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| [22:06:38] | sharp15: | are you talking about something more than cpu frequency scaling? i haven't seen evidence of that on desktop chips, though i may not have looked closely enough. |
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| [22:08:16] | tweek__: | I'm really liking 0.24, it wasn't as much of a pain to set up as it was two years ago |
| [22:08:41] | tweek__: | no PulseAudio conflicts, VDPAU playback no longer seems to cause random kernel panics (so far anyway) |
| [22:09:01] | tweek__: | the UI properly redraws itself under OpenGL mode (Qt mode still sucks) |
| [22:09:01] | sharp15: | justinh: thanks for your help. this is turning into a more general hardware discussion than i intended. i'll take it somewhere more appropriate. |
| [22:09:16] | tweek__: | everything's slightly more polished |
| [22:10:37] | justinh: | in this life you have to decide what you want.. a *good* system or one which draws very little power. that's still pretty much the way |
| [22:10:56] | justinh: | that isn't to say a *good* system will always be a power hog. God no :-) |
| [22:14:50] | sharp15: | good to know. i just don't want to have to remember to bring the machine up for automatic/pre-scheduled recording duties. |
| [22:15:16] | justinh: | you don't have to remember. you can always do automagical shutdown & wakeup :-) |
| [22:16:56] | sharp15: | wouldn't know how to do that right now. i expected i need to leave the machine up and running. |
| [22:17:22] | justinh: | well, you don't. it mustn't be that hard, cos people who come here asking for help have managed it :D |
| [22:20:33] | sharp15: | and no special hardware? so we must be talking S3/S4 sleep modes? |
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| [22:21:38] | tweek__: | couldn't you try something like wake-on-LAN configured with another computer in your house? |
| [22:22:36] | justinh: | yu don't need junk like that |
| [22:22:55] | tweek__: | well, on this computer, ACPI suspend on Linux doesn't even work correctly |
| [22:22:55] | justinh: | mythbackend can do a controlled shutdown after setting a wakeup time into the PC CMOS thingy |
| [22:23:18] | sharp15: | tweek__: generally i turn my machines off. this would be the only machine 'on'. |
| [22:23:21] | tweek__: | the system never is able to resume without hard-locking |
| [22:23:49] | tweek__: | on Win7 for some reason it keeps resuming occasionally while I'm asleep. maybe scheduled maintenance? |
| [22:23:52] | sharp15: | justinh: i didn't know that was possible. thanks. |
| [22:24:12] | justinh: | I thought a shutdown/wakeup was one where it could actually power off into standby & wake up (boot) at a time set into the BIOS |
| [22:24:27] | justinh: | unless I'm very much mistaken.. that's different to ACPI stuff |
| [22:24:44] | justinh: | e.g. S3 & S4 or whatever |
| [22:25:02] | justinh: | where until very recently you'd be lucky if it ever worked properly under ANY OS |
| [22:25:48] | sharp15: | tweek__: the acpi sleep modes are still buggy on linux. |
| [22:26:17] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [22:26:33] | sharp15: | i had suspend-to-ram working consistently on Win95 back in the day. but that came preconfigured from compaq. |
| [22:28:16] | justinh: | so from that page it looks like you don't have to STR or anything daft. a proper shutdown is ok too |
| [22:29:15] | sharp15: | STR? |
| [22:29:52] | justinh: | suspend to ram |
| [22:29:57] | tweek__: | 1080p playback mostly out-of-the-box with perfect sound |
| [22:30:05] | tweek__: | honestly after all the hell I went through the first time |
| [22:30:30] | tweek__: | rebuilding and altering alpha drivers found off of mailing lists |
| [22:30:44] | tweek__: | Nvidia's driver bringing down the system every other hour |
| [22:31:06] | justinh: | hahaha. go viddypow! |
| [22:31:12] | tweek__: | being mostly unable to see the menus and such |
| [22:31:21] | tweek__: | yeah, VDPAU working flawlessly now |
| [22:31:29] | justinh: | see how VDPAU is the great panacea? :D |
| [22:31:51] | tweek__: | if I suddenly stop whining about how bad MythTV and associated kernel modules / subsystems were |
| [22:32:03] | tweek__: | I probably kernel-panicked again |
| [22:32:05] | justinh: | the answer to every possible video decoding problem? hahaha |
| [22:32:38] | justinh: | if your kernel panics, things are very very broken on your system |
| [22:33:26] | tweek__: | happened regularly a few years ago. hardware support was pretty fking flaky |
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| [22:34:50] | justinh: | I used to see kernel panics when i used gentoo, and built my own kernels... |
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| [22:35:02] | justinh: | see the last part of the sentence for the reason I had kernel panics :D |
| [22:35:16] | tweek__: | stock kernel, generic drivers |
| [22:35:35] | tweek__: | free-as-in-broken drivers, anywya |
| [22:36:51] | justinh: | I think the hardware you need to be using for drivers to be pretty bleeding new must be pretty rare these days |
| [22:38:26] | sharp15: | justinh: thank you for your help. |
| [22:38:38] | tweek__: | it's not hard to walk into any given electronics store |
| [22:38:50] | tweek__: | pick up a random piece of equipment |
| [22:39:01] | larrikin: | I used to have kernel panics when I used stock kernels, so I built my own... |
| [22:39:04] | tweek__: | and generally expect that if it has any support at all in Linux |
| [22:39:10] | tweek__: | it's going to be pretty goddamned second-rate |
| [22:40:00] | tweek__: | hell, the drivers for the TV tuner this channel recommended were an unstable mess a while ago |
| [22:40:03] | tweek__: | they're fine now |
| [22:40:24] | justinh: | the drivers this channel recommended were the only ones you could get for linux |
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| [22:40:38] | tweek__: | err, the tuner recommended, not the driver |
| [22:40:44] | justinh: | because they're written by people like you & me. in their spare time, generally |
| [22:40:58] | tweek__: | Hauppauge PVR-150 ATSC/NTSC hybrid |
| [22:41:10] | justinh: | pvr150 is a plain analogue card |
| [22:42:12] | wagnerrp: | so that would make the average framegrabber "garbage"? |
| [22:43:02] | tweek__: | oh, right, that was years ago and I didn't get it |
| [22:43:09] | tweek__: | the one recommended was the HVR-1600 |
| [22:43:18] | justinh: | I'm going to bed |
| [22:43:32] | tweek__: | and for $100, I've managed to record and transcode a bunch of TV with it |
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| [22:58:57] | ** wagnerrp misses Flying Glass of Milk productions ** | |
| [22:59:30] | larrikin: | does anyone happen to know what's going on with dgteam ? |
| [22:59:43] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [22:59:51] | Twiggy2cents: | I am curious, do you think this would share a chipset with anything that works with linux? http://goo.gl/52NTB |
| [22:59:58] | larrikin: | custom firmware for netgear routers |
| [23:00:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I have no intentions at all of buying, just curious |
| [23:00:30] | wagnerrp: | we use real links around these parts |
| [23:01:07] | Twiggy2cents: | fine |
| [23:01:15] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-Digital-DVB-T . . . _2058wt_1114 |
| [23:01:20] | Twiggy2cents: | I was just making it prettier |
| [23:01:22] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:02:33] | wagnerrp: | technically, all you need is http://www.ebay.com/itm/160579448162 |
| [23:02:57] | wagnerrp: | all that other garbage can be deleted |
| [23:03:18] | wagnerrp: | its just nice to know where you're going before you click |
| [23:03:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Well that wasnt in my address bar and I have a fancy url cruncher add on |
| [23:03:37] | Twiggy2cents: | You dont like rick rolls? |
| [23:03:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, never buy anything without a brand |
| [23:03:53] | wagnerrp: | if you do, you take your fate into your own hands |
| [23:04:18] | Twiggy2cents: | lol plus I probably wouldnt pick up much since dvb-t isnt the standard here |
| [23:04:33] | Twiggy2cents: | It was just in the related items thing and I was curious |
| [23:04:36] | wagnerrp: | besides, arent you in the states? |
| [23:05:09] | Twiggy2cents: | yep |
| [23:05:35] | Twiggy2cents: | I just get that and a REALLY strong antenna |
| [23:06:53] | larrikin: | I looked at a few brands and haven't identified it yet .. |
| [23:07:52] | wagnerrp: | does stuff in the ~100MHz band even reflect off the ionisphere? |
| [23:12:18] | Twiggy2cents: | nope that appears to be in the radio window of which can pass through |
| [23:12:58] | Twiggy2cents: | 5MHz-30GHz passes through. Anything lower reflects and anything higher gets absorbed in the atmosphere |
| [23:15:00] | larrikin: | probably adding to global warming, all that rf energy.. ;) |
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| [23:27:29] | larrikin: | if you're still curious, here's a link to the windows driver http://www.ukmobi.co.uk/download/HDTV_USB_DVB_T.rar |
| [23:27:43] | larrikin: | haven't tested the link |
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| [23:40:52] | larrikin: | Twiggy2cents: http://www.ec21.com/product-details/MINI-Digi . . . 3709542.html |
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| [23:51:49] | jya: | wagnerrp: can you run the command jack_lsp on your machine (and jack_lsp -c) |
| [23:53:19] | wagnerrp: | on the linux/myth machine? |
| [23:54:26] | jya: | the one where you want jack to work |
| [23:54:31] | wagnerrp: | same output for both |
| [23:54:40] | wagnerrp: | system:capture_1 and _2 |
| [23:54:43] | jya: | and that is ? |
| [23:54:47] | jya: | ok.. system then |
| [23:54:50] | wagnerrp: | system:playback_1 through _8 |
| [23:56:30] | jya: | I got jack running when specifying no name (requires a patch however) |
| [23:57:44] | jya: | it still plays crap, but it's just like mplayer now ... |
| [23:57:47] | wagnerrp: | seems jack_lsp segfaults when trying to run with the network backend |
| [23:57:48] | jya: | or xine |
| [23:58:18] | pyther: | Hello |
| [23:58:34] | styelz: | hi |
| [23:58:39] | pyther: | I got more problem, my /var/lib/mysql directory is 6.3GB |
| [23:58:52] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you have binary logging enabled |
| [23:59:02] | pyther: | Yes I have a ton of mysql-bin files |
| [23:59:20] | wagnerrp: | so disable it, and trash the logs |
| [23:59:20] | pyther: | so I guess the next logical question is how do I disable the logging? |
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