Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, September 28th, 2011, 00:13 UTC

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do you know if there is any support for tuning adapters in linux at this moment?

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iamlindoro:

Only if you use the prime

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iamlindoro:

Which handles it itself

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iamlindoro:

none for the Hauppauge or Ceton

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i meant direct USB support in linux

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wagnerrp:

didnt think so

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iamlindoro:

yeah, none that I am aware of

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wagnerrp:

well, its rather moot since i just realized this guy is on time warner, and cablecard tuners are worthless anyway

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if he doesnt actually realize what a tuning adapter is used for

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wagnerrp:

(on mythtvtalk)

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iamlindoro:

wherezat? Mythtvtalk?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

poor guy

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iamlindoro:

TWC and Myth + Prime do not compute

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wagnerrp:

first post, he said he just got a tuning adapter, and wants to know how to use it

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wagnerrp:

although it was in reply to a thread from over a year ago

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saintdev:

the one good thing about comcast, all channels, except premiums, are _supposed_ to be copy freely :)

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wagnerrp:

well theyre not supposed to be anything

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wagnerrp:

each franchise independently decides how to operate

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wagnerrp:

those are just the corporate guidelines

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, so far, everyone seems to be following them

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saintdev:

and when they're not, you can usually get them to change it

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J-e-f-f-A:

When I had cumcast I couldn't get them to do anything... And I was a customer for 7 years...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Their customer service for obvious copy protection issues has been uncommonly good-- I got corporate attention to fix an activation problem that looked like a wrong copy protection

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iamlindoro:

that said, since you're on FIOS, they're equally excellent for Cablecard users

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saintdev:

iamlindoro: i think it's who you talk to. the people at we_can_help, and on twitter seem to be a completely different team from who you talk to when you phone in.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, probably depends on what part of the country you're in too... here in NE, their customer service was HORRIBLE...

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iamlindoro:

saintdev: we_can_help should not be abused-- it's corporate-- but if every problem is immediately escalated to them, they will eventually stop listening

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saintdev:

iamlindoro: yes, i understand

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iamlindoro:

Calling the cablecard activation line (not the 800 number) is generally the best first step , and it should be used during business hours

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saintdev:

they're able to help with copy protection?

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shawnboy:

I am having some serious glitches running mythtv frontend on one of my ubuntu PCs. I'm getting really frustrated, but I guess mythtv is pretty much THE main choice for linux DVR.

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iamlindoro:

saintdev: Many issues that appear to be copy protection issues, including copy-once where it shouldn't be are instead activation/provisioning issues

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iamlindoro:

So yes, you want to get all you can from the cablecard activation line and be absolutely sure before escalating

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shawnboy:

...stuff like freezes when trying to watch TV, freezes when esc from TV, looping with exit codes when I kill frontend, etc.

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shawnboy:

can anyone get me started on solutions?

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oobe:

I just saw this in my logs this morning wondering if I should be worried about drive failure http://pastebin.com/nvgRkJTE

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J-e-f-f-A:

oobe: Doesn't look good – do you have Smart monitoring enabled?

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oobe:

J-e-f-f-A, hmm im not sure I know I setup smartd on my older install

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oobe:

no I dont

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J-e-f-f-A:

oobe: Ah, I'm on FC14, and it was easy... and saved me from losing 1TB of recordings... Funny thing is one of my older 1TB drives started failing right after I added 2TB to my system... so in the end I only gained 1TB... D'oh!!!

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oobe:

pity I forgot this time

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J-e-f-f-A:

oobe: Well, the good news is that it hasn't failed *yet*, so get stuff offloaded to a new drive before it does. ;-)

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oobe:

how did smartd save your drives? or do you just mean it warned you in time to replace them

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oobe:

I take it it gave you early warning

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oobe:

well I was just lucky enough to check dmesg at the right time

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J-e-f-f-A:

oobe: Yeah, it warned me that there were 61 failed sectors... then the next day over a hundred... I was like "Oh *bleep*!" and quickly got stuff moved off the drive... Now to RMA it since it's got a 3 or 5 year warranty, and it's only 1–1/2 years old...

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oobe:

ah Mine would be too

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oobe:

unfortunatly I will have to buy a new drive first to copy the data

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oobe:

actually there is a way I can swing it so I can RMA mine and just copy the data to other drives first

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oobe:

I just recently started using power management to shut down my drives I wonder if this has caused the error or perhaps a false error

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k-man:

personally, shutting down drives scares me

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful that it's false, a drive is mostvulnerable at spinup and spindown

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k-man:

I choose not to shut them down

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oobe:

I just installed smartd does it have a log somewhere?

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oobe:

iamlindoro, does that mean its possible spinning down my drives has caused this damage?

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iamlindoro:

it is quite possible that it has hastened their demise

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J-e-f-f-A:

oobie: In FC14, you can view the SMART data in the "Disk Utility", and it pops up alerts if anything is out of limits...

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shawnboy:

Anyone know how I can completely uninstall MythTV from Ubuntu including every last associated file so I can start fresh again?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: Sorry dude, I'm a fedora user... ;-)

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, I know how to uninstall a package in Ubuntu, but I don't think it's getting rid of all traces of myth (extra files etc).

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, ie /etc/mythtv/ files still exist after uninstall.

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rooter7:

ANyone know a channels question?

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rooter7:

In mythtv-setup

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rooter7:

Lots of Dish Network channels exist everywhere, including shedules-direct, except not in mythtv-setup.

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rooter7:

Where does mythtv-setup get its channel list? Tried mythfilldatabase.

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J-e-f-f-A:

rooter7: Did you create your Video Source and configure it for your SD acct?

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rooter7:

Yes, but a long time ago. Years. Worked fine all this time, but missing channels now.

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rooter7:

I thought mythfilldatabase would fix this?

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J-e-f-f-A:

rooter7: Do you have mythweb enabled? If so, check that they're not hidden (Under Settings -> TV -> Channel Info) — do you have mythweb exposed to the internet? Password protected?

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rooter7:

Never used it. Not sure it's installed. How do you use it?

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rooter7:

In channel editor I see most of the channels, visible and otherwise, but some are just missing.

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J-e-f-f-A:

well, try going to http://localhost/mythweb on your backend, and see if it comes up...

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

anyone have muliple cable card tuners?

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mattwj2002:

I mean boxes

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mattwj2002:

2 tuners just isn't enough!

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mattwj2002:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I have 2 Verizon FiOS HD boxes feeding two HD-PVRs – does that count?

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mattwj2002:

hd boxes?

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mattwj2002:

ummm

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mattwj2002:

not really

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mattwj2002:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I also have 2 HDHR's for 4 ATSC tuners. ;-)

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rooter7:

J-e-f-f-A: Nah, not there.

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

I have 2 tuners from my single wintv-dcr-2650 and a dual tuner hdhomerun

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

and I want more cable card access!

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mattwj2002:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

rooter7: Ok... I guess that rules out the possibility of somebody stumbling upon your myth backend on the web via 'mythweb' and messing with your mind by changing things on you...

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rooter7:

Y

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: ah.. I'm happy with my current setup, and don't have any spare $$$, so I'm content with HD-PVRs for now! ;-)

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mattwj2002:

yeah I hear you

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mattwj2002:

I don't really feel like spend more money either

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mattwj2002:

I would love to add a hdhomerun prime

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mattwj2002:

but that is a lot of money

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mattwj2002:

plus do I really need 7 tuners

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mattwj2002:

:P

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rooter7:

Anyone know how channels are created in mythtv-setup?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I've got 7 total. ;-) 2 HD Cable, 4 HD OTA (ATSC), and one SD for a IPTV box for the wife...

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

you actually won't be too expensive

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mattwj2002:

a used hdhomerun (the original)

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mattwj2002:

so good ole clear qam

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mattwj2002:

you can pick one up for $65

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mattwj2002:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I have two original HDHR's. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: but scans of clear-qam on my FiOS link has just turned up locals and local government channels... not worth it imho...

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mattwj2002:

yeah that is all I get on Comcast too

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mattwj2002:

but

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mattwj2002:

for $65 it won't be bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I paid $120 or so for the 1st one, and $99 for the 2nd one IIRC...

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mattwj2002:

one second

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J-e-f-f-A:

probably 3 years ago now...

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B0010Y414Q

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mattwj2002:

I was talking about a used one!

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

correction

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mattwj2002:

$69.99 plus tax

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mattwj2002:

grr

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mattwj2002:

I mean plus shipping

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mattwj2002:

There are a few stations I just want to record around the clock

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mattwj2002:

just because I can

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

J-e-f-f-A: what do you have for storage?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: a bunch of 1TB and 500GB drives – total of 7TB

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mattwj2002:

RAID configuration?

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mattwj2002:

how do you have that configured?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: not anymore... Lost 2 drives in a raid5 a few years back, and switched to just storage groups...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(ie: i lost ALL of my recordings...)

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mattwj2002:

J-e-f-f-A: how do the storage groups work?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Myth puts the recordings on all the drives in your storage group.

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

in what fashion?

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mattwj2002:

what data goes where?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I don't know the exact algorithms — I think it's a little bit of round-robin, and a bit of i/o balanced, and space balanced too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: depends on how you setup your storage groups. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: I just have all 7 drives in my 'recordings' storage group...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: that fills in the answers I didn't know. ;-)

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mattwj2002:

J-e-f-f-A: so

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mattwj2002:

I could get a bunch of small hard drives

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mattwj2002:

like 500 GB

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mattwj2002:

or 1 TB

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mattwj2002:

and them to the group and it would store files across the different drives?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Hehehe... I guess I've got a lot of 'small' HDD's myself too then... my biggest drive is 1TB right now...

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mattwj2002:

I am thinking

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mattwj2002:

buy up some of these $80 2 TB hard drives

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mattwj2002:

one at a time

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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mattwj2002:

fill it up with drives!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

anyways

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mattwj2002:

time for bed

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mattwj2002:

have a good night

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Yeah, all you need is sata ports.

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mattwj2002:

bye!

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J-e-f-f-A:

ttyl

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mattwj2002:

indeed

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mattwj2002:

bye!

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wagnerrp:

odd... i had a recording fail five minutes before the end of the show

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ouch.

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wagnerrp:

the episode was basically over by the time it failed

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wagnerrp:

not sure what happened

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shawnboy:

If I only want to run frontend on a machine, do I only install frontend or do I install the whole MythTV package?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: the whole shebang. The backend doesn't take much space anyways, and you just won't run it on the frontend.

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, so install the whole thing, but I never should have to run mythtv-setup or backend on a frontend-only machine?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: And you need to setup your backend to listen on the 'real' ip, not 127.0.0.1 ... in case you didn't do it that way already...

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J-e-f-f-A:

right.

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shawnboy:

ok. I've uninstalled frontend, tried to manually remove configuration type files, and now going to try a fresh reinstall. Hope it cures the freeze ups, etc.

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: im guessing CBS just sucked more than usual

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: and you have to add some permissions to the mythconverg database.

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wagnerrp:

the next show crapped out three minutes in

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wagnerrp:

went black, then green, then all sorts of funky color bars

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: OTA? Maybe your antenna is a little bit off?

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wagnerrp:

when it came back, it was a commercial and standard def

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wagnerrp:

no, CBS sucks

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah.

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wagnerrp:

this was not signal issues

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J-e-f-f-A:

gotcha.

[02:48:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, it was, but not RF signal issues. ;-) FEED signal issues. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yes, this is getting marked for re-record

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, hmmm, when, where and how?

[02:49:21]

wagnerrp:

going on seven minutes of ads, still no show

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAM93n4BX0

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iamlindoro:

dunno what happened that it lost the first few keyframes

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wagnerrp:

local 12: we are experiencing technical difficulties. please stand by.

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wagnerrp:

no crap...

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wagnerrp:

ok...

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wagnerrp:

TO THE HULU!

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shawnboy:

Do I add db permisssions on the frontend machine or backend?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: this is a little bit dated, but still relevant – scroll down to "Remote front-ends" – about 2/3 down... http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, oh, great. thanks!

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: make sure you give your backend a Static IP address too, btw.

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, static ip, yes. That page mentions running mythtv-setup on frontend machine. That contradicts what I previously understood... that I shouldn't/don't need to run that on a frontend-only machine.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... no it doesn't... "In the mythtvsetup application on your back-end" <-- "back-end"

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh wait, you're right... 4)...

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops! – I'm looking @ it now.

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shawnboy:

item #4

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shawnboy:

I think if it will let me in that far there is a place in frontend to set that under utilities/setup,general

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: I'm not sure if you need to do that – I think the frontend grabs the IP from the DB, which it queries using the parameters configured in the mysql.txt file...

[03:00:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: Like I said – that's a bit dated – it was written for FC6. ;-)

[03:00:35]

shawnboy:

I'll try that first. I think before when I ran mythtv-setup on frontend, it mucked things up.

[03:01:25]

shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, thanks for your help thus far. This has been really frustrating me. I just want to use my HDhomerun, not reverse engineer MythTV. :)

[03:02:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: What's your network – 100Mbps or Gigabit?

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wagnerrp:

token ring

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs!!!! **

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, gigabit

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iamlindoro:

gigabit, I barely know it

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: That should work well then. ;-)

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shawnboy:

So what would you suspect is the problem if frontend freezes on the "starting playback" screen when replaying a recorded show?

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J-e-f-f-A:

video driver or incorrect playback profile perhaps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

any changes recently, or is this a new system?

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shawnboy:

no changes recently. could be video driver I suppose, but if it is, I'm kinda up a creek because I have the latest from ATI/amd

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shawnboy:

most channels are split, showing the top half twice instead of the whole picture, J-e-f-f-A

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wagnerrp:

yeah, standard problem with amd

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: that does sound like a driver issue – specific to ATI ^^ yeah.

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iamlindoro:

specifically, ati with the BOB 2x deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

disable the 'bob' deinterlace filter

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iamlindoro:

meaning it can be avoided by using the Slim playback profile

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-) good teamwork. ;-)

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shawnboy:

wagnerrp, crap. So I guess that just means I'm out of luck using frontend on this pc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: no-- see the other suggestions.

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shawnboy:

oh, iamlindoro, workaround i hear you say?

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wagnerrp:

s/suggestions/suggestion/

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wagnerrp:

only one suggestion given

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, typing too fast... D'oh!

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shawnboy:

iamlindoro, I'm completely new to myth, so could you give me a little more of a point to where/how I'd find that to adjust?

[03:30:36]

shawnboy:

iamlindoro, backend machine i assume. run mythtv-setup.

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: No, in mythfrontend – the settings for TV Playback.

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shawnboy:

oh! ok, J-e-f-f-A. thank you.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shawnboy: Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback -> Page 3 — change the "Current Video Playback Profile" to something other than Slim – perhaps "CPU++" ?

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shawnboy:

J-e-f-f-A, was already set to CPU+

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iamlindoro:

The opposite

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iamlindoro:

you want slim

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: and be sure to select "Next >" on all the screens until you get to "Finish" to save it... ^ oh, set it to slim. my bad!

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wagnerrp:

basically, everyone wants slim, or they want to write their own profile with options not in any default one

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** J-e-f-f-A didn't read your message right the 1st time – or my brain short-circuited – it's probably the later, it does that from time-to-time... D'oh! **

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shawnboy:

It is now set to simply "Slim".

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J-e-f-f-A:

try it out. ;-)

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shawnboy:

I escaped out and closed it all. here goes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

You did go through all 8 pages first and selected "Finish", right?

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shawnboy:

That fixed the split screen! woohoo. Frontend still just goes blank when I hit escape to stop watching TV.

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oobe:

anyone can tell me anything from this I am worried http://pastebin.com/abAd3RB7

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shawnboy:

thanks for the split screen fix J-e-f-f-A, iamlindoro, wagnerrp

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J-e-f-f-A:

np.

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iamlindoro:

frontend going blank on playback stop is an indication of extremely old revision of mythtv, broken pulseaudio config, and/or both

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iamlindoro:

Meaning the first and best thing to do is get to current .24-fixes

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shawnboy:

that's what I'm running, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

not until I see a revision you're not

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shawnboy:

frontend --version ?

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend --version

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: mythfrontend --version – yes – don't paste the whole thing, just the MythTV Version line

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iamlindoro:

no, pastebin the whole thing

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iamlindoro:

not into the channel, into a pastebin

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J-e-f-f-A:

heh- I was just typing that iamlindoro ;-)

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shawnboy:

MythTV Version : v0.24.1-85-ge16613a

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Shiggs|MB:

ok you guys.. I need your help once again: I have MythTV for recording live tv working perfect, but now I'd like to get MKVs playing in it as well. How would I do that properly?

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shawnboy:

is that not the right one?

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shawnboy:

version I mean?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shawnboy: Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com to paste the whole thing, then paste the link it creates here.

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iamlindoro:

it's new enough

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[R]:

Shiggs|MB: mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

ok, so it's probably a pulseaudio config issue

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Shiggs|MB:

[R]: I have that installed

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iamlindoro:

meaning you should find a way to nuke pulseaudio, as nobody should use it with mythtv anyway

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[R]:

Shiggs|MB: then all you have to do is read the documentation

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** J-e-f-f-A heads off to bed... ttyl.. ;-) Good luck shawnboy ;-) You're in good hands. **

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shawnboy:

hmm, iamlindoro, I've never messed with my audio in ubuntu cuz it always worked up to now. Is that something I'd have to change system wide or just change what MythTV uses?

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shawnboy:

thanks, J-e-f-f-A

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Shiggs|MB:

[R]: I just did and an MKV I'm testing with isn't working

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Shiggs|MB:

it's 1080p

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Shiggs|MB:

and won't load

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[R]:

"isn't work" "won't load" really says nothing

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Shiggs|MB:

ahh it couldn't open the decoder

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Shiggs|MB:

hmm

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Shiggs|MB:

I need codecs then

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iamlindoro:

No, mythtv doesn't work that way

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iamlindoro:

We don't use "codecs"

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iamlindoro:

pastebin logs

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iamlindoro:

couldn't open decoder suggests you have broken permissions

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shawnboy:

iamlindoro, so i need to figure out how to change from pulseaudio on ubuntu... system-wide. ok.

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shiggity:

iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/gEiAkbW9

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iamlindoro:

again, probable broken permissions

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iamlindoro:

and insane stolen filename

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Shiggs|MB:

how so stolen? I own that show's DVDs

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iamlindoro:

so why did you download it?

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iamlindoro:

and a Bluray version no less

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Shiggs|MB:

it's a Japanese anime fansub

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iamlindoro:

So?

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iamlindoro:

It's still not legal for you to download it

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Shiggs|MB:

I'm not selling it or making any money off of it. it was before it was licensed here in the US

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iamlindoro:

Neither makes it any less theft

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[R]:

lol

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Shiggs|MB:

how do I fix permissions for MythVideo?

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Shiggs|MB:

anyone?

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iamlindoro:

We have a policy of not helping pirates

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iamlindoro:

It's in the topic

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Shiggs|MB:

...I own the content on physical media.

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Shiggs|MB:

>_>

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iamlindoro:

Which means *nothing*

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iamlindoro:

you said you own the DVDs-- you downloaded a Blu-ray version, and any download at all is illegal

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iamlindoro:

You also said you "downloaded it before it was licensed in the US", but the Blu-ray came out *after* it was available in the US, so you're not honest either

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iamlindoro:

Which means, pretty much, "good luck, we can't help you here"

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** mystica555 would buy a bluray of akira, then still download it, because i dont own a bluray player nor a ps3 nor a windows box. **

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Shiggs|MB:

the Japanese bluray. BEFORE it was licensed here in the US in any way shape or form

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iamlindoro:

mystica555: Are you trying to get banned?

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mystica555:

until you natively can play bluray with aacs on linux, i consider myself within legal limitations.

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iamlindoro:

ok, claerly calm discussion isn't working

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mystica555:

i'm making a statement; you're being an asshole. i said 2 lines.

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[R]:

mystica555: what you consider legal and what the law considers legal seems to be 2 differnet thihgs

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hoolio:

ooooh k/b

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hoolio:

haven't seen that in years :)

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iamlindoro:

stick around

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iamlindoro:

you'll see it often

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iamlindoro:

some people have nothing better to take a moral stand about than their content theft

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iamlindoro:

bah, I always do that

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hoolio:

heheheh

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shawnboy:

so iamlindoro I found audio settings page in frontend. it was set to alsa and no other choices. i chose scan, which gave me many more options. then I chose "pulseaudio" and it works.

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shawnboy:

where can I find basic user guide (basic stuff like how to pause live tv, then catch back up, start stop recording a show on the fly, etc)? Everything I search for is for setting up.

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[R]:

hit p to pause

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[R]:

p to unpase

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[R]:

r to record

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[R]:

theres a list of the keybindings

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shawnboy:

[R], then if I want to just catch up to live tv, how do I do that. Oh and for the life of me I can't figure out how to simply delete a recorded file.

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[R]:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index

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shawnboy:

[R], oh, thanks!

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Tanthrix:

I've got an HD PVR setup with a schedule's direct line-up, works perfectly. Adding a OTA tuner card now.

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Tanthrix:

Is there a quick and easy way to map the scanned in channels to the existing Comcast video source? (ie, NBC 8.1 becomes 708)

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Tanthrix:

Adding a second video source via schedule's direct, scanning for channels, etc.. all work but then I've got duplicate channels which I'd like to avoid.

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Tanthrix:

Right now I'm scanning the channels to a blank intermediary video source with no grabber. Then I'm going to see about editing them using the frontend channel editor...will see if that works.

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dekarl:

Moscherkobold, iamlindoro: xmltv doesn't provide analogue lineups like SD does. Looks like the correct way is now to get the channels from xmltv and then add the frequencies manually.

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dekarl:

Moscherkobold: you must put the analogue and digital side into the same inputgroup to avoid conflicts. (like EIT scan preventing analogue recordings)

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dekarl:

and you must disable active EIT scan (bug #8251, EIT Scan ignores input groups)

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dekarl:

And ignore what the official support has to say wrt "maybe the mythtv devs didn't think of that..." ;)

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Editing the scanned OTA channels to have the same call sign, xmltvid, etc.. as the Comcast channel does not appear to have worked.

[06:23:46]

Tanthrix:

Tried a test recording by tying up my HD PVR, then attempting to record the channel I edited. Giving me a conflict.

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dekarl:

I take it the Hauppauge HVR need input groups setup, too? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 has a very detailed setup guide for mythtv but nothing about input groups :( As I never setup such a setup I can't really explain it. (but I would have liked to refer Moscher kobold to it as an example of how to setup a dual(/triple) frontend card)

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dekarl:

Tanthrix: What's wrong with duplicate channels? They will be hidden if the share the same callsign

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dekarl:

You'll have one video source "digital OTA" and one source "what the HD PVR gets" with some channels duplicated

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Tanthrix:

dekarl: Hrm. I thought I had read that if they were different numbers both channels would show.

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Tanthrix:

dekarl: My ultimate goal is that I just want my per channel recordings to work. If I had two video line ups on two tuners but renamed the callsigns, would that work?

[06:30:44]

dekarl:

Maybe, I need to check.

[06:31:12]

dekarl:

You don't want to do "on this channel" recordings. But they look at the call sign

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dekarl:

so yes, that would work

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Tanthrix:

Well, the reason I do "on this channel" is to avoid the possibility of getting non HD versions of shows.

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dekarl:

I only use "record once" and "record all", works well if your guide source is well

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dekarl:

Hmm, does SD carry good quality "per show HD flag"? then just up the priority for shows with HD flag.

[06:33:25]

Tanthrix:

I'd prefer not to have to trust that if I can help it, since the doing per channel works great and is pretty much failsafe.

[06:33:46]

Tanthrix:

Guide data is pretty good, but recording only on HD channels is even more failsafe.

[06:34:22]

dekarl:

see "HDTV Priority" at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html

[06:34:55]

dekarl:

then just give the HD channels a priority boost or just hide the SD channels

[06:36:00]

Tanthrix:

Well, I did do that a while back, but I seemed to recall I could still end up in the occasional situation where for whatever reason it would record in SD.

[06:36:25]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, that just might work though, given my present setup.

[06:36:27]

dekarl:

If you hide the SD channels?

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Tanthrix:

No, I didn't do that – but occasionally I want to record SD versions. (ie, when a channel's HD version is just some god awful super stretched version)

[06:37:02]

Tanthrix:

Meant when I gave certain channels priority

[06:37:20]

dekarl:

If you setup the priorities and the scheduler has to decide between recording SD or not recording at all then it will take the SD version (or if it thinks it has to decide)

[06:37:49]

Tanthrix:

OK, that might just be the ticket then.

[06:38:07]

Tanthrix:

That being said, are you aware of any semi-easy way to map the channels to the existing Comcast lineup?

[06:38:10]

dekarl:

so in summary, try to avoid "this channel" rules, but if you must use them, they'll look for the call sign

[06:38:32]

Tanthrix:

I kind of like keeping this as simple as possible, and having only one line up to deal with would be nice

[06:39:11]

dekarl:

I don't think it even works to mix ATSC/QAM channels with HDPVR channels in one video source, but I don't know

[06:39:27]

Tanthrix:

OK, it may just not be worth the bother then.

[06:40:38]

Tanthrix:

So basically your recomm is to setup second OTA lineup with SD, scan and map that to my tuner, edit the channels so that the call signs match the Comcast line up?

[06:41:00]

Tanthrix:

(And then forget about doing per channel recordings, etc..)

[06:44:29]

Tanthrix:

dekarl: OK, well thanks much for your help, much appreciated.

[06:48:29]

dekarl:

yes, that's what I would do, but them I'm in DVB/XMLTV land so there might be small differences.

[06:50:19]

Tanthrix:

I believe last time I had this setup I setup a grabberless intermediary to scan the channels in, then went into the db and modified them to match up

[06:51:03]

Tanthrix:

Net result was no duped channels, and everything was happy. It's been a while though, so I forgot how to do it, and I'm not interested in a solution now that requires that level of mucking about

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justinh:

hahaha. just tried mythbrowser for the first time in aeons

[07:24:18]

justinh:

go to www.dilbert.com with it & see what happens. oh dear oh dear

[07:24:55]

justinh:

usable much? Don't think I'll bother again

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justinh:

oh wait... seems like it's zoomed about 1000%

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justinh:

this really needs a 'reset zoom' option

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justinh:

this is taking forever. to the databasE!

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justinh:

or just to the settings page. ha

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justinh:

oh Apple why did you have to go & put crappy ATI junk in the mac mini?

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larrikin:

when I hear the tape of jackson on propofol I'm instantly reminded of cheech and chongs' 'trippin in court' from the yellow album ..

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Tanthrix:

dekarl: Your advice seems to have worked perfectly. Added the second line up with OTA card, scanned the channels, then renamed the numbers, call sign, and name to match existing Comcast line up.

[09:23:30]

Tanthrix:

dekarl: Record "on this channel only" is working just fine for simultanous recordings on both tuners and no duplicate channels in the guide. Thanks again.

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justinh:

yeah well there's no reason to say why 'on this channel only' won't work – except when stuff changes

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hashbang:

fscking retunes.

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justinh:

speaking of which...

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justinh:

do you really *want* challengeTV ? LOL

[09:45:19]

hashbang:

justinh: I've got *two* Challenge TV channels! W00t!

[09:46:01]

hashbang:

justinh: complete switch around here in Mendip; mplexes have changed freqs and channels have changed mplex

[09:46:20]

hashbang:

so a DELETE FROM channel; here

[09:47:14]

hashbang:

and some manual munging of the dtv_multiplex table.

[09:47:55]

justinh:

ah digital switchover has arrived eh

[09:48:11]

hashbang:

justinh: no, that happened a while back – that was fun too.

[09:48:19]

hashbang:

justinh: another retune in 6 months time, too

[09:48:27]

hashbang:

justinh: /then/, that should be it

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justinh:

how are we supposed to know we're meant to rescan?

[09:51:03]

hashbang:

justinh: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker/

[09:51:14]

hashbang:

justinh: tick the 'I'm in the aerial trade' checkbox

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justinh:

hmm. they don't seem to mention the 'retune to get challengetv' fact then

[09:54:17]

justinh:

since they'

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justinh:

they changed channel number.

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justinh:

meh. I aint gonan rescan til something breaks

[10:04:12]

justinh:

there's no point fixing what isn't broken

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hashbang:

justinh: well, PickTV is reshowing Futurama from the start and I'm recording it, so that made it a must-do for me

[10:11:46]

hashbang:

justinh: also, it means I shouldn't get unexpected surprises of things failing to record because I hadn't retuned

[10:11:51]

justinh:

I'm not even sure I had picktv+1 in the 1st place

[10:12:13]

hashbang:

justinh: e.g. Synecdoche NY, which I've set to record twice so far, years apart, and both times it's failed

[10:12:27]

hashbang:

justinh: it's on again in the next 2 weeks, so I'm hoping it'll actually record this time!

[10:13:50]

justinh:

oh wait I do have picktv+1 on C44

[10:16:13]

justinh:

heh useonairguide=1 for picktv+1 & it's still showing valid data

[10:18:45]

justinh:

"I'm beginning to think there'll be no forced mating at all"

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quicksilver:

interesting.

[10:31:48]

quicksilver:

That site really does think I should use sudbury

[10:32:06]

quicksilver:

I wonder if now that sudbury has been through switchover it's a stronger signal than it used to be

[10:32:41]

quicksilver:

doesn't seem worth paying someone with a signal strength meter to climb onto my roof to find out, thuogh.

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Solaris444:

hi guys.

[11:13:59]

Solaris444:

I'm still having trouble with one of the client frontends.

[11:14:21]

Solaris444:

tv broadcasts keep displaying artifacts.

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Solaris444:

I don't know why.

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Solaris444:

The artifacts don't show on the backend/frontend machine.

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Solaris444:

movies don't display artifacts on the client frontend though.

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Solaris444:

only live tv.

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justinh:

wireless?

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justinh:

remote frontend relying on VDPAU?

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Solaris444:

No.

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Solaris444:

Gigabit lan

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Solaris444:

remote frontend uses vdpau slim, yes

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justinh:

bingo :)

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Solaris444:

oh?

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Solaris444:

Why is that?

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Solaris444:

and what setting would you recommend?

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justinh:

hardware video decoding can be more susceptible to errors than software decoding

[11:19:05]

justinh:

if the streams are corrupted somehow, e.g. signal integrity issues... software can cope better

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Solaris444:

ok

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Solaris444:

what setting would you suggest?

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justinh:

personally I wouldn't use any frontend which has to rely on hardware decoding

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justinh:

but in your case I'd be looking for a way to fix the signal. monitor the dvb frontend with femon – if it's not a HDHR

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Solaris444:

sorry, femon?

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Solaris444:

that's a command line utility provided by myth?

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justinh:

no. dvb-utils I think

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justinh:

FrontEndMONitor :)

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justinh:

tells you the received signal quality stats of a tuned dvb/atsc frontend

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Solaris444:

ah ok no worries.

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justinh:

what you'll be looking for are the numbers in the BER & UNC columns mostly

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justinh:

BER == bit error rate. closer to zero the better

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Solaris444:

So any suggestion on what settings I should use for the remote frontend instead of vdpau?

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justinh:

UNC should be zero... uncorrectable errors visible as glitches in video & pops in audio.. gaps.. and worse

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Solaris444:

ah, that makes sense.

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justinh:

if the frontend has enough grunt to not rely on VDPAU for decoding, use a profile which only employs VDPAU for rendering/deinterlacing

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

[11:34:25]

justinh:

oh dear that looks a bit out of date

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Solaris444:

ok, I'll give it a try. :) thanks justinh.

[11:35:18]

Solaris444:

Also, found something interesting.

[11:35:22]

justinh:

or this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Artifacts

[11:36:24]

Solaris444:

For some reason, the Hauppage Nova-T was detected by Myth Setup as allowing 2 recordings per tuner.

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Solaris444:

So the system was claiming there were 4 tuners available.

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justinh:

yup. that's the default

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Solaris444:

ah.

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justinh:

it can be up to 5

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justinh:

per tuner

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justinh:

or more if you hack the code but it'll introduce ever more scheduler load

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Solaris444:

It was causing problems. Preventing playback of multiple channels simultaneously.

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justinh:

huh?

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justinh:

oh that depends on the muxes the channels are on.. yada yada yada

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Solaris444:

Yeah.

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justinh:

it doesn't really lend itself to live tv usage

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Solaris444:

I found it easier to just set it to one recording per tuner.

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Solaris444:

*nods*

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justinh:

muiltirec FTW!

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justinh:

multirec, even

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justinh:

livetv... so 20th century

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justinh:

second screen or no second screen

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Solaris444:

lol.

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Solaris444:

justinh, I really do appreciate your time.

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Solaris444:

MythTV is a favourite of mine, so it's great to be able to come here and chat to you guys about it.

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justinh:

I don't think any of the channel regulars are advocates of livetv :-)

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Solaris444:

Live TV is still popular where I live.

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justinh:

still popular where I live to, but in my house we only ever use it as a last resort – without mythtv

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Solaris444:

fair enough

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rooter7:

Anyone know why channels would not show up in the channel editor?

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justinh:

they don't exist? you haven't scanned them or pulled them in via a listings provider already?

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rooter7:

My setup has been in place for a long time.

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rooter7:

I have a schedulesdirect channels set up for Dish Network.

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justinh:

ah then maybe the OSD theme you're using is broken or otherwise incomplete

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rooter7:

I see the channels in SD, but not in the editor. I should have though mythfilldatabase would fix that.

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justinh:

irrelevant

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rooter7:

For example I have HBO2HD at 301, but not at 9432.

[11:59:57]

rooter7:

The high channel is always HD.

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rooter7:

But it is in scheduleddirect.

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rooter7:

Theme is the dark one, forgot which, but it comes with Myth.

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justinh:

so you have *some* channels & mythtv is generally working but you haven't got the full complement of channels you think you should have?

[12:04:45]

justinh:

if you've changed the lineup in your SD account since you first set up mythtv you'll need to 'grab lineup from listing provider' or whatever it's called in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

simples

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rooter7:

Oh.

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rooter7:

I tried Scan for Channels, but that seems to be for ATSC only...

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rooter7:

In Video Sources I did a Fetch Lineup, but channels still missing. Do I have to restart mythtv-setup for them to appear?

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rooter7:

Oh sh*t, if I have a channel off in SD I guess it won't fetch. I have to switch from 301 to 9432 in SD, then fetch.

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justinh:

stupid long channel numbers

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zoran119:

i have moved to a new house and have to rescan all my channels

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zoran119:

can someone tell me what will happen to my existing recordings?

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zoran119:

will they be lost (as the old channels will be deleted)?

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justinh:

your recordings will be fine, but any channels where the chanid (an internal database parameter) has changed will result in the channel name being wrong in the recordings' metadata

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zoran119:

justinh: awesome, thanks

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hashbang:

justinh: hmm, looks like http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=ST564488 is more accurate than http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker/ – the latter lists the Mux A/SDN mplex as still being 2k, but the former says 8k and my Nova-T-500 won't record from it unless transmission_mode is 8.

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justinh:

hashbang: AFAIK all the new muxes are 8k

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justinh:

if you've switched over, all the muxes will be 8k

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justinh:

they must need to get all the old ondigital boxes sent to landfill

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, I know 64qam/8k is the final state

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justinh:

mind, I thought split NITs would've assured that

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justinh:

hmm apparently I can use the Saddleworth tx

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hashbang:

justinh: if you bash in 'bs5 9jz' into http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker/ you will see it shows Mux A/SDN on C48 as being 64QAM, 2/3, 2k

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hashbang:

justinh: it wasn't supposed to be going from 2k to 8k until next March

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justinh:

maybe not then

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hashbang:

justinh: I was expecting the digital uk site to be accurate and canonical, but...

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justinh:

I'd only trust the info I *see* with my own eyes

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justinh:

"Hi can anyone tell me what area the movies for men channel is ment to be for, I live 5 miles away from winter Hill and it is very weak and unwatchable. I know it is at a very low power so was just wondering why it is there and where it is ment to cover thanks. My postcode is WN2 1SZ ". HAHAHAHA RETARD

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wagnerrp:

movies for me/

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wagnerrp:

men?

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justinh:

movies for men, yeah

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hashbang:

justinh: likewise, but the dvb scanning tools seem to take some parameters off the air, and some from /usr/share/dvb-apps/dvb-t/uk-Mendip or whatever

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justinh:

http://www.movies4men.co.uk/

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justinh:

hashbang: dvb-utils' scan uses initial tuning freqs

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justinh:

hahaha "After discovering a device that can alter an object's structer, a team of scientists feel they have struck gold. But when the device targets one of their own, the fate of mankind is at stake."

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justinh:

structer?

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justinh:

OMG.. movies for men indeed. what kind of men do they mean?

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justinh:

(men)

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justinh:

HAHAHA. McBAIN? I thought that was just a parody of Arnie in The Simpsons

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wagnerrp:

its not?

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justinh:

no *just* the Simpsons parody no, apparently

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wagnerrp:

a group in new york stages a light saber battle

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justinh:

er. not just.. I mean

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wagnerrp:

almost a thousand people show up, including a couple zombies

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wagnerrp:

zombies?

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wagnerrp:

i mean... i might understand some trekkies, but zombies?

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justinh:

trekkies? gawd, over their dead body, I'd bet

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justinh:

never heard of any trekkie being into starwars.. or starwarsian being into startrek...

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wagnerrp:

no, meaning they would show up to the light saber fight in star trek garb

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wagnerrp:

as some futile attempt at being a nerd rebel

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wagnerrp:

actually, Conan had some skit a while back talking to people in line for one of the new SW movies

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wagnerrp:

and at some point, someone in LOTR garb showed up and tried challenging them to a fight

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justinh:

lol

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swerve:

without doing anything I know of, mythfrontend suddenly lost sound

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justinh:

yay! Go Pulseaudio!

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hashbang:

justinh: I think that's the problem – it has.

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hashbang:

justinh: gone, I mean. :-)

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swerve:

why would I suddenly need pulse?

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swerve:

was working fine, set for /dev/dsp

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hashbang:

swerve: I think justinh is suggesting that you were using it, but it crashed

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swerve:

now I don't seem to have a /dev/dsp, but when I select the correct alsa device it still doesn't work

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hashbang:

swerve: I'd go for MythTV's volume control, or something else dicking with the mixer

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swerve:

yeah, might be the mixer

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hashbang:

swerve: or you don't have the alsa-oss emulation modules loaded, I guess

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swerve:

all other apps seem to work, and I don't even use pulse

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swerve:

hash- that very well could be, great call

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swerve:

i remember I was clearing out my modules array a while ago, i might have accidentally deleted an oss module

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants to use ALSA by default, not OSS

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wagnerrp:

unless you have some strange card that has OSS drivers and not ALSA drivers

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: (03:49:05 PM) swerve: was working fine, set for /dev/dsp

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wagnerrp:

ah, missed that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, scan for devices, choose the ALSA one that seems to make sense

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wagnerrp:

you should be fine

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hashbang:

right, I think my Myth box is now working after the retune palaver

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hashbang:

only one more to go in six months time...

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swerve:

ok, made some progress. i'm getting sound out of my headphone dac at least, even though i set it for my card

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swerve:

might need to reboot b/c the other module is failing to modprobe for some reason

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swerve:

brb...

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** wagnerrp wonders if people are actually using their only computer as their mythtv box **

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: it's my firewall, so if I needed to reboot, it'd be downtime for me too, if I was at home

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swerve:

everytime i select a device, myth changes it

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swerve:

it also seems to think my dac is my soundcard & vice versa

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swerve:

weird behavior!

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swerve:

ok -got it by choosing the 5.1 option that says oss

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swerve:

weird!

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Solaris444:

wagnerrp, are you still there?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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Solaris444:

Just wanted to thank you for your help the other day.

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Solaris444:

And the problem I was having with framerate was due to compositing being active on the desktop.

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Solaris444:

Turning it off solved the problem.

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wagnerrp:

so JerrodEstes on the wiki is a spammer

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wagnerrp:

but hes a spammer that cant do anything, because he hasnt authenticated his email yet

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wagnerrp:

so why bother creating an account with an invalid email?

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** Beirdo cheers **

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Beirdo:

there's a gcc port for the Blackfin?

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

wonder how it does the DSP-specific parts

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justinh:

another few days since I dropped the packages.. and still.. no deadlocking of the backend

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justinh:

could be coincidence, or because I rebooted...

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Beirdo:

or because you blinked :)

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justinh:

oh yeah, or because I disabled active EIT

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quicksilver:

OK this is seriously weird.

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quicksilver:

My daughter hit some keys on the keyboard, as she does, and managed to crash or quit the frontend

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quicksilver:

on restarting it, the fonts on the main menu have gone(!)

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quicksilver:

and in the watch recordings view, the text has changed font

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quicksilver:

the main menu still works but its invisible

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quicksilver:

you can judge which item is selected by the changing picture

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Beirdo:

you need to daughter-proof that computer

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quicksilver:

in what is presumably an unrelated incident /dev/dsp has vanished

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wagnerrp:

lack of text is often caused by use of the opengl painter on a machine that does not have proper opengl support

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Beirdo:

argh, finally found a song where my headphones still aren't loud enough for me...

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Beirdo:

Journey – Separate Ways

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wagnerrp:

headphones arent loud enough?

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Beirdo:

yup.

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quicksilver:

qdm

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Beirdo:

full amplification, still not loud enough for my tastes

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wagnerrp:

ive got a relatively cheap pair that will cause hearing damage before they blow out

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Beirdo:

well, it's the sucky amps not driving em hard enough

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Beirdo:

in the car, I'd drive down Highway 2 in PR with this playing at about 1/3 volume on the stereo... loud enough to hear about 2 blocks away

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Beirdo:

windows open, of course

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wagnerrp:

this a portable amp? like a cd or mp3 player?

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Beirdo:

computer

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wagnerrp:

cheap onboard sound card?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

and decent sennheisers

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quicksilver:

Beirdo: can you think of any reason the text would suddenly vanish?

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Beirdo:

quicksilver: nope, unless something else borked

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wagnerrp:

you managed to change to the opengl painter, and use an ATI card

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quicksilver:

you can't change painter from the frontend can you?

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wagnerrp:

loss of /dev/dsp shouldnt be a problem, since you shouldnt be using /dev/dsp anyway

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wagnerrp:

you can change it in the appearance menu

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wagnerrp:

that is the only place in mythtv it can be changed

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wagnerrp:

you can override it on the command line with '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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Beirdo:

ooooh, PCM was at 95%. Fixed.

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wagnerrp:

or you can fix the problem by replacing the ATI card with one that has proper linux support

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Beirdo:

oh, now the amp is clipping. EAT ME

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quicksilver:

(AFAIK I've always used the opengl painter, and it's always worked before)

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quicksilver:

btu that's an easy thing to try, thanks.

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justinh:

ahh linux audio drivers. teh suck

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quicksilver:

I should mention this is 0.21

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wagnerrp:

ouch

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: for shame... onboard sound...

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Beirdo:

justinh: yeah, they are tuned for 8 Ohm outputs too.

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Beirdo:

it's a work computer, sheesh :)

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justinh:

you need a little headphone amp, then :)

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Beirdo:

now, why I'm subjecting myself to music that reminds me of past painful events.... I dunno :)

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wagnerrp:

you need a proper isolated sound card

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm not gonna buy a decent USB sound device for work

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justinh:

isolated sound card?

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wagnerrp:

ive never once seen an onboard sound card that doesnt pick up noise from other hardware

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: no, with the Qt painter the menu items are still invisible

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justinh:

it's all to do with PSU decoupling, that's all

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Beirdo:

in this case, I just need another... 6dB or so... to make myself more than happy

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Beirdo:

this already makes my ears ring, but not loud enough, dangit

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: what else is in the appearance menu that she might have broken that I can override?

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Beirdo:

a good test for volume level (for me) is Daft Punk

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wagnerrp:

justinh: IME, when they use cheesy garbage realtek chips, they dont spend the money to decouple properly

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justinh:

quicksilver: try a mythfrontend --reset

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quicksilver:

where are the appearance settings saved/stored? in the DB or in a file?

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quicksilver:

justinh: thanks

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justinh:

in the DB. sheesh. how long have you been around here? ;)

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quicksilver:

5 years, I think

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quicksilver:

but I forget stuff ;)

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quicksilver:

especially when it works fine.

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justinh:

the only settings that aren't stored in the database are the settings which tell mythtv where to look for the db

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wagnerrp:

if youre still running 0.21, its been at least three years

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quicksilver:

I started on 0.19 IIRC

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quicksilver:

reset worked! fonts visible

[19:17:24]

quicksilver:

now, is it possible she broke the sound in the same way? is that configurable from a menu?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

seems like you need to PIN protect the setup menu stuff

[19:18:19]

quicksilver:

apparently so

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quicksilver:

she's only 2 :-/

[19:18:29]

wagnerrp:

its not possible she broke the sound, as mythtv is only a user of sound, it cannot be used to configure sound

[19:18:41]

wagnerrp:

however, she may have changed the devices used in mythtv for sound

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quicksilver:

that's what I meant :)

[19:18:58]

wagnerrp:

generally, people use ALSA for sound output

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quicksilver:

it's trying to use /dev/dsp, that much is clear from the error message

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wagnerrp:

and ALSA uses its own mixers

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quicksilver:

Error opening audio device (/dev/dsp), the error was: No such file or directory

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justinh:

it's possible that the littleun changed the config settings

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wagnerrp:

/dev/dsp is the old OSS audio format

[19:19:22]

justinh:

hence, broke the sound

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wagnerrp:

so chances are she didnt delete /dev/dsp, you were simply never using it in the first place

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** quicksilver agrees **

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quicksilver:

ALSA:analog, presumably?

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quicksilver:

nope

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quicksilver:

Opening ALSA audio device 'analog'.

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quicksilver:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM analog

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quicksilver:

ALSA:default made the sound work

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quicksilver:

but not the mixer

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** quicksilver seeks the wiki **

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wagnerrp:

mixer should be something like ALSA:mixer

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quicksilver:

set mixer to ALSA:default

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quicksilver:

yay

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quicksilver:

thanks wagnerrp, justinh

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quicksilver:

now to put a PIN on this setup ;P

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sean__:

Hey Guys,

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quicksilver:

dear #mythtv-users, if I forget my PIN it's 1234, kthx ;)

[19:27:25]

Beirdo:

just tell yer daughter, she'll remember for ya

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quicksilver:

well it all works again which means no divorce tonight.

[19:28:13]

quicksilver:

Another day, another marriage saved by MythTV

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Beirdo:

heh, if that's all the marriage is hinging on, I hope ya know a good lawyer, dude :)

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sean__:

I was wondering if I could get some advice. My backend is using a q8400 cpu. I record via HD-PVR in 1080i. I want to start making use of the flash flow player in mythweb. The flowplayer pauses every minute while playing. I realize that this is because my CPU is not fast enough. I was wondering what my best options are? Is there a way to enable multi-core encoding? How fast of a CPU do I need to encode on the fly?

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wagnerrp:

the issue isnt encoding, its decoding

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wagnerrp:

output from the HDPVR is single sliced (meaning single threaded) and fairly high bitrate

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sean__:

Yes

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sean__:

so I have to decode that in order to re-encode it

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wagnerrp:

encoding back to ~500kbps sorenson is fairly trivial compared to that

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg should be able to encode and decode in separate threads

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wagnerrp:

not sure off hand if it is actually set up to do so

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ?

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sean__:

Thanks wagnerrp, I have been trying to get this working, Could you venture a guess how fast of a CPU is needed to decode that on the fly

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wagnerrp:

full bitrate content from the HDPVR takes somewhere south of 2.5GHz on a Core2 architecture

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wagnerrp:

so your CPU has enough power to decode it

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wagnerrp:

the problem is decoding, scaling, and encoding in real time

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wagnerrp:

however each of those processes should be capable of pipelining and shoving on different, assuming ffmpeg is set up to do so

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wagnerrp:

which considering youre having problems, it seems it is not

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Beirdo:

sorry, was off.

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Beirdo:

it should be able to use separate threads

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sean__:

Hummm, I edited the ffmpeg command to include the multi-threading flag but it did not make a difference

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wagnerrp:

multithreading flag?

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Beirdo:

that says to use more than one thread for encoding, when it's likely the bottleneck is the decoding as wagnerrp mentioned

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sean__:

just a second wagnerrp, I have to dig this up

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wagnerrp:

sean__: yeah, im guessing youre just talking about the flag to allow multi-sliced encoding for h264

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wagnerrp:

one thread means one slice

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sean__:

Yes, that is what I mean

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure the sorenson encoder is single threaded

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wagnerrp:

since its sufficiently low power, no one should ever need to run it multi-threaded

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wagnerrp:

even if one were to put up the effort to make it possible

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sean__:

sorenson encoder is correct name for flash, learning all the time

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sean__:

So I have a bottleneck issue, my cpu should be fast enough for each issue, just is not fast enough for all of the issues

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sean__:

sorry issue is process

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wagnerrp:

sounds right

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wagnerrp:

except you do have enough power, you just dont have enough single threaded power

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sean__:

I know 0.25 is somewhat eminent. has the flash system been worked on any in this release. I would hate to work on optimizing this just to find out that the code has been removed.

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wagnerrp:

basically, no one has any intention of touching the flash code

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wagnerrp:

at some point shortly after 0.26, a much awaited schema rewrite will allow for one recording to contain multiple different files

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wagnerrp:

to allow storage of multiple different qualities and codecs for different purposes

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wagnerrp:

like flash streaming, streaming to a UPNP player, copying to a phone, etc...

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sean__:

Oh that will be excellent

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wagnerrp:

at which point that can all be done in batch in the background

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wagnerrp:

it still wont allow for live streaming

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sean__:

Why

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wagnerrp:

but will let you have alternate formats set up to allow for real time streaming on lesser machines

[19:59:46]

wagnerrp:

however the flash streaming is likely to be scrapped all together at some point in the future, for a html5 version

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wagnerrp:

... it just takes someone to write it in the first place

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sean__:

Yeah, that will make a big difference

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wagnerrp:

well... it wont make any different to your problem

[20:00:41]

wagnerrp:

but it will be easier to maintain, and doesnt rely on the garbage that is flash

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sean__:

I have heard that webm is very painful with respect to encoding time

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sean__:

I could not agree more

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wagnerrp:

thats more likely a cause of the implementation of the codec, rather than the codec itself

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sean__:

Do you know is there is an equivalent to the flowplayer for html5

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wagnerrp:

probably, dont know of one off hand

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sean__:

Humm, Videojs seems to be one

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sean__:

I think I will do some digging, videojs seems to be free & opensource as well

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sean__:

I know I am not a mythtv developer but if I were to try make a contribution, how long till the 0.25 development freeze

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Beirdo:

that hasn't been determined yet

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Beirdo:

note to self... bring up that conversation again

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sean__:

hahaha, that is always the way

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sean__:

Thanks guys, have a great night. I will keep you posted if I make any progress on replacing this

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justinh:

hahaha now I've got a progress bar remarkably similar to a windows 7 one in my theme

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justinh:

I dunno where MS nicked the idea from, but having a bar which is kind of animated as well as 'progressy' was a good idea

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wagnerrp:

a functional progress bar?

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean the bar is continuously animated to show its still working

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justinh:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

but dynamically sized based off its progress

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

mythui can do that :)

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justinh:

except I think the windows 7 one's speed changes according to the % completeness

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justinh:

hey ho.. no biggie.. at least it *can* be done.. at all :D

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justinh:

mind, there's no guarantee that just because the animation is still working stuff is still happening – but at least to the end user it looks that way

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cosmic:

hi @ all

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cosmic:

Is there anyone who would be so kind helping me getting my remote control work ? I have a USB Remote receiver which is regognized and installed as input device : /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00 , so i am using devinput as lirc driver. i created my own conf file via irrecord and gave lircd.conf and hardware.conf the right information ... now lirc starts without problems and syslog report fine lircd mess

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cosmic:

ages without errors. But the remote doesnt work ... even irw doesnt displays me info ??? any hints ?

[21:04:17]

cosmic:

sory for my bad english writing

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justinh:

if irw doesn't displays you any info, then lirc is not working

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justinh:

like, if lirc is listening to the wrong device

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cosmic:

ok , but how can i debug lirc ?

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justinh:

without lircd running try the 'mode2' command, which should throw out raw data from the remote when you press buttons

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cosmic:

the device i have givven lirc in the hardware conf is the same as i used for irrecord

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justinh:

yes but lirc on some distros doesn't always work the way you might expect

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justinh:

it's very easy to miss something simple

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cosmic:

sudo mode2 -H devinput -d /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00

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cosmic:

mode2: initializing '/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00'

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cosmic:

This program does not work for this hardware yet

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cosmic:

ls -ltr /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00

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cosmic:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2011-09–28 22:19 /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-if00 -> ../event4

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cosmic:

cosmic@cosmic-frontend:~$ ls -ltr /dev/input/event4

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cosmic:

crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 68 2011-09–28 22:19 /dev/input/event4

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jams:

cosmic- please use pastebin

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cosmic:

looks fine , doesnt it ?

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cosmic:

sorry

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cosmic:

i will

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jams:

thx

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cosmic:

np

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cosmic:

justinh, is there another way to check the device instead of mode2 ?

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notlistening:

Does anyone use CIFS to record tv to NAS?

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wagnerrp:

if your NAS doesnt support NFS or iSCSI, its time to scrap it

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jams:

wow only cifs is pretty limited

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wagnerrp:

CIFS brings nothing but performance issues and a non-native permissions architecture

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jams:

yeah it does, it shouldn't be the first choice thats for sure

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wagnerrp:

it does do user permissions, but if you are on an insecure network that user accounts and such permissions are a concern, a dinky NAS that only supports CIFS wont help you in that regard

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notlistening:

Its secure enough internally and yeah i don't have a choice about the CIFS :(

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notlistening:

well that is not true but it does mean replacing the firmware on the NAS

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wagnerrp:

why not shove the drives in your backend, and sidestep the whole issue?

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notlistening:

I could usb it maybe, the backend does not have space

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wagnerrp:

this is a combined frontend/backend?

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** Beirdo laughs out loud **

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Beirdo:

"why not shove the drives in your backend".... aka... shove em up yer #$#@

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notlistening:

stand alone backend

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Beirdo:

I'm having a day, it seems

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Twiggy2cents:

oops....

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Twiggy2cents:

Just realized now that I have a second tuner that ati hd tv wonder != ati hd 600 tv wonder

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Twiggy2cents:

I now have an unsupported card

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