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| [00:42:54] | context: | so... im running mythtv, go into setup, source lists, schedules direct, put in user/pass, refuses to show any lineup's at all |
| [00:43:05] | context: | and running mythfilldatabase doesnt grab channels or scheduling |
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| [00:44:02] | context: | i know i pay for SD but i dont think they enjoy me running mythfilldatabase 50 times just so i can watch myth be completely retarded and say 'nothing new found' after download 4M of xml |
| [00:44:13] | context: | im assuming thats xml its downloading. |
| [00:44:53] | context: | ive had this problem before when i tried using an HDR-1600 (i think it was.) WHY in gods hell is mythtv-setup and mythfilldatabase so damn retarded !?@# |
| [00:45:00] | context: | xml => mysql , its not that damn complicated |
| [00:45:51] | context: | oh. that might be why. kind of rings a bell |
| [00:46:53] | context: | mythtv is too stupid to work with anything newer than mysql 5.1 which was initially released 6 years ago. |
| [00:48:01] | context: | seeing as i failed at using mysql 5.5 a year ago, you'd think someone would have figured by now to put SOME sort of 'your using mysql 5.5. not gonna happen' message when attempting to use mythtv instead of letting people waste half a damn day |
| [00:49:04] | wagnerrp: | im fairly certain 0.24 works just fine with mysql 5.5 |
| [00:49:32] | mag0o: | ...wow... |
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| [00:50:45] | context: | wagnerrp: then would you have any idea why myth fails to fetch line ups and fails to put anything in the database for channels or programming |
| [00:50:54] | wagnerrp: | could you paste some logs? |
| [00:51:38] | context: | http://pastie.org/2576856 |
| [00:52:58] | wagnerrp: | try with --dd-grab-all instead |
| [00:53:05] | context: | scroll down |
| [00:53:16] | context: | line 41 |
| [00:53:33] | context: | this is after me attempting to keep the lineupid null and putting the id from SD in the database manually |
| [00:53:42] | context: | setup never shows me any of the lineups i have in my SD account |
| [00:54:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, run mythfilldatabase with --dd-grab-all |
| [00:54:45] | context: | yes. ive done that. at least half a dozen times |
| [00:54:54] | wagnerrp: | not from the logs im seeing |
| [00:55:07] | wagnerrp: | you keep running '--sourceid 1' |
| [00:55:16] | context: | kk removed that |
| [00:55:28] | context: | running again |
| [00:55:31] | context: | without sourceid |
| [00:55:35] | context: | i only have the 1 source setup |
| [00:55:47] | wagnerrp: | and the option '--dd-grab-all' |
| [00:55:56] | context: | still doesn't explain why i have to manually put the lineupid in the mysql database |
| [00:56:05] | wagnerrp: | no, but you havent given those logs |
| [00:56:12] | wagnerrp: | im going to bet an incorrect username or password |
| [00:56:12] | context: | im running it now |
| [00:56:26] | context: | then wtf is --dd-grab-all downloading 4M of ? |
| [00:56:59] | context: | and its saying sourceid 1 has type 'CableDigital' its getting that from SD |
| [00:57:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did we make --dd-grab-all the default run mode for mythfilldatabase? |
| [00:57:35] | wagnerrp: | it is grabbing two weeks of data in one chunk without being asked to |
| [00:58:00] | context: | so it IS getting 2 weeks of data, it just finds nothing new? when there is nothing in the database ? |
| [00:58:32] | context: | tables channel and program are both empty |
| [00:59:05] | wagnerrp: | well if you have no channels, of course you will not get any guide data |
| [00:59:22] | wagnerrp: | digital channels must be scanned, you cannot pull them from a lineup |
| [00:59:32] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct does not carry sufficient information to do that |
| [00:59:53] | context: | ok. and it cannot pull the listing from my hdhomerun prime? |
| [01:00:09] | context: | damn i /really/ hate myth sometimes. even my ipad can watch tv faster |
| [01:00:28] | context: | dont scan shit. my hdhr already has. |
| [01:00:33] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: guinea pig for your setup application |
| [01:01:07] | wagnerrp: | if you are setting up a prime, read this page... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [01:01:11] | context: | it cant even scan for channels |
| [01:01:19] | context: | yes thats what i was following |
| [01:02:43] | context: | ill try this again |
| [01:03:54] | context: | and fyi even that guide tells you to fetch channel listings from SD |
| [01:04:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, because it has worked for everyone else since 0.20.2 |
| [01:04:22] | wagnerrp: | which is why im guessing incorrect password |
| [01:05:40] | context: | passwd isnt that complicated. and im looking at it in the DB, its correct |
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| [01:06:03] | context: | and again, HOW is it getting 'sourceid 1 is CableDigital' and WHY is it getting 4M of programming if my password is wrong. |
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| [01:06:19] | wagnerrp: | that i cant say, ive never touched any of that code |
| [01:06:51] | context: | that would be out of the codes hand. i doubt SD is gonna go 'your pass is wrong, here is the data anyway' |
| [01:08:24] | context: | whats more scary is myth has supported SD for AT LEAST 6 months and they still cant even put in a damn 'login failed' error message when trying to retrieve lineups? id think that'd be one of the first things id have on it |
| [01:08:59] | context: | but no. i just put in a wrong passwd on purpose and it still just sits there |
| [01:09:02] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to tell you, ive never heard of anyone having such problems |
| [01:09:22] | context: | yeah. sorry im sure im being annoying |
| [01:09:27] | context: | ill try tomorrow or later on a different machine |
| [01:09:28] | wagnerrp: | cant do anything but speculate without logs |
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| [01:11:25] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [01:11:59] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [01:12:19] | mattwj2002: | okay let me get a little more information on my turner issue |
| [01:12:40] | mattwj2002: | it affects two different tuners |
| [01:13:38] | mattwj2002: | the error I am getting is Error opening jump program file buffer |
| [01:14:05] | mattwj2002: | I tried upgrading mythtv to a ppa version of mythtv 0.24.1 |
| [01:14:18] | mattwj2002: | any ideas guys? |
| [01:14:38] | wagnerrp: | this is with your DCR, or something else? |
| [01:14:57] | mattwj2002: | actually it happens both with my DCR and my HDHomeRun |
| [01:15:59] | mattwj2002: | it is really annoying because it is like half my tuner is useless |
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| [01:17:22] | mattwj2002: | it always goes back to the same channel to CNN on the same tuner by default which isn't the default channel. The box isn't setup for recording at the moment |
| [01:18:02] | mattwj2002: | I will glady provide some logs if you want them |
| [01:18:23] | wagnerrp: | backend if any |
| [01:18:34] | mattwj2002: | where is that log located? |
| [01:18:48] | wagnerrp: | /var/log/mythtv/ ? |
| [01:20:35] | mattwj2002: | which one do you need? |
| [01:20:43] | wagnerrp: | the backend log |
| [01:20:59] | mattwj2002: | without the .1? |
| [01:21:02] | mattwj2002: | and .2 |
| [01:21:34] | wagnerrp: | just the latest is fine, assuming it has the time segment of when you tried and failed to record something |
| [01:23:31] | mattwj2002: | where do you want the file? |
| [01:23:34] | mattwj2002: | pastebin? |
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| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | that works |
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| [01:29:40] | mattwj2002: | too much info for pastebin.com |
| [01:30:00] | wagnerrp: | an except a couple minutes on each side of the failed recording is fine |
| [01:30:08] | mattwj2002: | okay |
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| [01:33:10] | mattwj2002: | http://pastebin.com/WXjwS5Jb |
| [01:33:14] | mattwj2002: | that is today's log |
| [01:33:32] | mattwj2002: | keep in mind I just did an upgrade |
| [01:33:53] | mattwj2002: | I also just did a scan too |
| [01:36:43] | mattwj2002: | what does this mean? |
| [01:36:43] | mattwj2002: | 2011-09–22 20:09:10.075 DTVSM(192.168.183.145–0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(1) desired(2) |
| [01:37:00] | wagnerrp: | your channels have changed |
| [01:37:06] | wagnerrp: | you need to rescan |
| [01:37:35] | mattwj2002: | I could try scanning again |
| [01:37:41] | mattwj2002: | you think that is the problem |
| [01:37:43] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [01:38:02] | mattwj2002: | they use the same guide |
| [01:38:12] | mattwj2002: | I am only scanning once for both tuners |
| [01:38:17] | mattwj2002: | could that be the problem? |
| [01:40:15] | wagnerrp: | do you have your cablecard installed yet? |
| [01:40:30] | mattwj2002: | no I am going to do that this weekend |
| [01:40:43] | wagnerrp: | then the DCR should operate just like a normal hdhomerun |
| [01:40:44] | mattwj2002: | I figured it is almost this weekend and I'll have more time |
| [01:41:15] | mattwj2002: | so I only need to scan once then for two tuners right? |
| [01:41:40] | mattwj2002: | it says (MPEG2TS) -> HDTV under input connections |
| [01:41:55] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:42:02] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [01:42:33] | mattwj2002: | what the heck |
| [01:42:47] | mattwj2002: | my tuner 0 has the settings all messed up in the backend |
| [01:42:54] | mattwj2002: | let me scan them both |
| [01:43:32] | mattwj2002: | it said the default channel was CNN |
| [01:45:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, --dd-grab-all isn't default. Still needs some optimization, and might need the rewrite dav ide was talking about (so that it adjusts to remove the current day's--or at least the current hour's--data |
| [01:45:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, I'll probably put the script on the wiki rather than contrib |
| [01:45:47] | mattwj2002: | if this doesn't work.... |
| [01:46:04] | mattwj2002: | I'll create a guide for each tuner |
| [01:46:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: id rather have the script somewhere in the repo than the wiki |
| [01:46:16] | mattwj2002: | and scan them both see if that works |
| [01:46:29] | wagnerrp: | doesnt need to be in contrib specifically |
| [01:48:14] | sphery: | why that one versus all the others? |
| [01:48:49] | wagnerrp: | partly because i think its functionality we should have in the repo for handling those log files |
| [01:49:06] | wagnerrp: | partly because i dont want to have to carry around another file in the ebuilds |
| [01:49:16] | wagnerrp: | (right now im just pulling it out of contrib and installing it) |
| [01:49:17] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:49:27] | ** mattwj2002 is listening to 80s music videos :D ** | |
| [01:49:36] | mattwj2002: | and watching them too hehe |
| [01:49:56] | mattwj2002: | it is actually an OTA channel |
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| [01:50:32] | mattwj2002: | in Minneapolis we have two OTA music video channels |
| [01:50:41] | mattwj2002: | one Country and one regular music videos |
| [01:50:43] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:51:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if it belongs in the repo, it belongs in real code |
| [01:51:58] | sphery: | so feel free to make mythlogrotate |
| [01:52:01] | wagnerrp: | you didnt want it in real code |
| [01:52:13] | sphery: | but I really don't think that's a MythTV job |
| [01:52:21] | sphery: | it's actually a distro/packaging job, IMHO |
| [01:52:22] | wagnerrp: | and its not a logrotate, its a log delete |
| [01:52:31] | sphery: | since different distros do different things |
| [01:52:47] | sphery: | whatever, the point is that it's not the job of a DVR to do log management |
| [01:52:47] | wagnerrp: | i see what you mean |
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| [01:53:21] | sphery: | anyway, it's not a big deal, but I don't want to have a bunch of users clamouring to get their pet scripts into contrib and have it become the same mess it was |
| [01:54:11] | wagnerrp: | well if you move it, let me know so i can stuff it into the ebuilds instead |
| [01:54:15] | sphery: | anyway, I do appreciate your writing the script--and I understand how having it in the repo makes things easier |
| [01:55:05] | wagnerrp: | its not so much easier, it just means i need to stick it here instead... https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/mast . . . mythtv/files |
| [01:55:41] | wagnerrp: | its more the fact that as there are fixes/updates/whatever, it stays in one central spot that can be pulled from |
| [01:55:45] | sphery: | but I do think it would be nice to have distro-/packaging-specific ones that match the start scripts, etc., so it seems having it in packaging would be a good place for it |
| [01:56:25] | sphery: | if you want to keep the main copy in packaging, we can just have a wiki page that references it with a download link and description and such |
| [01:57:08] | wagnerrp: | meaning at that point, it would be maintained by the gentoo packages? |
| [01:57:14] | wagnerrp: | that could work |
| [02:02:26] | sphery: | yeah, it becomes the primary... and the only reason there would be a copy on the wiki is if someone decides that there are too many gentoo-isms in that one and they create a modified copy for <insert distro> or whatever |
| [02:02:47] | wagnerrp: | no gentooisms that im aware of |
| [02:02:50] | wagnerrp: | at least as of yet |
| [02:02:54] | sphery: | but even in that case, we could likely just update the script to do it whichever way works for their distro, too |
| [02:02:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:03:13] | sphery: | I don't see it being likely that we'd need a different one |
| [02:05:35] | sphery: | so, did you hear that MythTV 0.24 breaks wireless N connection reliability, breaks KWorld DVBT 160 cards, and records from the wrong channel in spite of all the channels being properly configured? |
| [02:05:56] | wagnerrp: | wireless n is reliable? thats news to me |
| [02:06:03] | sphery: | Seems we need to talk to the MythTV kernel devs and driver devs to get them to fix all those issues |
| [02:06:11] | sphery: | [mythtv-users] Channel listing on mythweb from PDA fixed with downgrade |
| [02:07:33] | sphery: | "You would think that every upgrade would actually improve Myth making it more stable and dare I say MORE USER FRIENDLY..." " |
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| [02:07:57] | sphery: | "This [lack of helping me fix the problem] is a terrible indictment to the entire project and violates the spirit of sharing knowledge and assisting people genuinely trying to learn and adapt to the technology." |
| [02:08:24] | sphery: | nothing like a good rant to make all the work on MythTV feel worthwhile |
| [02:08:50] | wagnerrp: | Person of Interest could be a winner |
| [02:09:30] | sphery: | nice... I can't wait 'til next year so I can find out. |
| [02:13:08] | wagnerrp: | call it a 'benevolent big brother' show |
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| [02:22:00] | wagnerrp: | anyway, are you going to move it into the ebuilds? or do you want me to take care of it when i update them? |
| [02:23:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ^^^ |
| [02:25:00] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: |
| [02:25:06] | mattwj2002: | I got the issue fixed |
| [02:25:08] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002 |
| [02:25:19] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002 |
| [02:25:21] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:25:27] | wagnerrp: | MATTWJ2002! |
| [02:25:36] | mattwj2002: | yes? |
| [02:25:43] | wagnerrp: | danger zone... |
| [02:25:52] | mattwj2002: | danger zone? |
| [02:26:49] | mattwj2002: | I am confused |
| [02:27:27] | wagnerrp: | clearly you need to watch more cartoons |
| [02:30:29] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3-zaTr6OUo#t=35s |
| [02:33:14] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [02:34:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you can move it, that would be great--would let you move it when it's convenient for you and the e-builds and would likely get done sooner |
| [02:34:29] | skd5aner: | !url logs |
| [02:34:29] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [02:34:29] | sphery: | I might not get to it for a few weeks |
| [02:39:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you fixed your e-mail server, yet? |
| [02:39:56] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [02:40:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm just assuming that it's broken since there's a thread, "[mythtv-users] VMWare move. Firewire - ? Need input" and you haven't yet told him VMWare adds nothing to a mythtv setup |
| [02:40:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, heh |
| [02:40:38] | sphery: | (except, of course, making his firewire not work :) |
| [02:40:54] | sphery: | "I am moving from Hardware to Vmware ESX 5." |
| [02:41:04] | skd5aner: | a completely virtual machine |
| [02:41:08] | skd5aner: | how revolutionary! |
| [02:41:16] | sphery: | yeah, think of how much money he'll save |
| [02:41:16] | wagnerrp: | its virtually awful! |
| [02:41:21] | sphery: | no hardware, no electricity |
| [02:41:36] | skd5aner: | I wish I was moving from a real job to a virtual one |
| [02:41:54] | sphery: | http://www.vmware.com/virtualization/virtuali . . . tualize.html |
| [02:42:08] | skd5aner: | oooh, better yet... VIRTUAL DEBT! |
| [02:42:08] | sphery: | "Improve the efficiency and availability of IT resources and applications through virtualization" |
| [02:42:11] | sphery: | I'm sold |
| [02:42:28] | sphery: | 'Start by eliminating the old "one server, one application" model and run multiple virtual machines on each physical machine.' |
| [02:42:46] | sphery: | wow, VMWare lets you run multiple one-application servers on one piece of hardware |
| [02:42:56] | sphery: | that's good since a server can't run multiple appliications |
| [02:43:04] | skd5aner: | well, truthfully, vms are great for what they're designed to do |
| [02:43:09] | sphery: | yes |
| [02:43:19] | sphery: | and are great for where they're designed to be used--in the data center |
| [02:43:26] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [02:43:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: oh? |
| [02:43:40] | skd5aner: | but that's where I run my mythtv farm... are you saying you don't? |
| [02:44:03] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:44:08] | ** skd5aner wonders what he built this datacenter for then :/ ** | |
| [02:44:16] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, theyre only designed to be used for development, testing, and maintenance of applications that must run on specific, old hardware |
| [02:44:28] | wagnerrp: | and the latter one would properly be done with a new application |
| [02:45:01] | sphery: | ok, I have to admit that I /assumed/ they were great in the data center... since so many companies are using them in the data center |
| [02:45:08] | skd5aner: | well, I agree |
| [02:45:21] | sphery: | I'm not an admin-type, myself, so I withdraw my "and are great" |
| [02:45:28] | skd5aner: | we leverage them heavily... in fact, it's next to impossible to get a dedicated server anymore |
| [02:45:58] | skd5aner: | I should say, I agree with sphery, not so much with wagnerrp |
| [02:46:00] | sphery: | I always just assumed it was for ease of provisioning and layout |
| [02:46:05] | wagnerrp: | many companies are using them in the data center, as its cheaper for them to use the sledgehammer (VMs) to shoehorn failover and migration than to rewrite the application to do so |
| [02:46:35] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: my problem with VMs is that they dont do a single thing that wouldnt be better implemented in a different manner |
| [02:46:37] | skd5aner: | that's not really the primary reason... |
| [02:46:43] | skd5aner: | the primary reason is resource utilization |
| [02:46:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont follow |
| [02:47:08] | wagnerrp: | give me a scenario where you might use VMs |
| [02:47:22] | skd5aner: | 1 physical box per app is dumb |
| [02:47:28] | wagnerrp: | of course it is |
| [02:47:37] | wagnerrp: | but VMs are not the solution to that |
| [02:47:42] | skd5aner: | not always, but they can be |
| [02:47:52] | mattwj2002: | bye all |
| [02:48:00] | mattwj2002: | thanks for your help with my mythtv |
| [02:48:00] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:48:05] | skd5aner: | I will say that you are 100% correct, that VMs make great dev environments... |
| [02:48:12] | skd5aner: | sandboxes, etc |
| [02:48:17] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i could see for full fledged VMs is something like the amazon 'cloud' |
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| [02:48:29] | wagnerrp: | where you have multiple different customers running on a single box |
| [02:48:54] | wagnerrp: | so the VM is the absolute sure-fire way to ensure sandboxing and security between them |
| [02:49:12] | skd5aner: | but for prod, when you need seperation at an OS level, then it doesn't make sense to provision a lot of small servers and fill a datacenter – buy some bigger ones and share the load |
| [02:49:47] | sphery: | wait, I thought it made sense to buy servers made from a bunch of small servers |
| [02:49:53] | skd5aner: | but you have to understand... in a LARGE enterprise, there can be dozens and hundreds of business units – many considered a seperate "client" |
| [02:49:54] | sphery: | like 256 Atom chips |
| [02:50:28] | sphery: | I still can't believe how so many people are talking about microservers being the next big, er, small thing |
| [02:50:41] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: and are all those individual business units managing their own servers and security? |
| [02:51:13] | sphery: | http://www.seamicro.com/ "Use 1/4 the power and 1/6 the space" |
| [02:51:33] | wagnerrp: | for 1/4 the performance, and 3x the cost |
| [02:51:37] | skd5aner: | No, the internal IT departments run as their own business unit and provide that service back horizontally – but the chargeback models are still paid by individual LOBs |
| [02:51:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, exactly |
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| [02:52:15] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: if there is one central unit ensuring the whole system is secure, then there is no need for the guaranteed isolation VMs provide |
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| [02:53:01] | skd5aner: | But, depending on the type of application, someone can not always guarentee that a change to one will not impact a change to all |
| [02:53:15] | skd5aner: | and scheduling downtime for one app would mean scheduling downtime for all apps |
| [02:53:21] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [02:53:45] | skd5aner: | Change Management is serious business |
| [02:54:33] | wagnerrp: | the only way one application could affect another is if it requires direct hardware access |
| [02:54:42] | skd5aner: | any change to a production server is a nightmare, even with a single LOB app on the server... imagine if you now have 10 on that same server... the only impact is changes required at the host or physical box |
| [02:54:48] | wagnerrp: | and for things that just use the hard drive and communicate on the network, it doesnt need to |
| [02:55:33] | wagnerrp: | have all your assorted single application images stored on the SAN as with any virtualization setup |
| [02:55:49] | wagnerrp: | when you want to run it, initiate the image on the host |
| [02:55:53] | wagnerrp: | mount it as a loopback device |
| [02:55:59] | wagnerrp: | chroot into it, and run the system |
| [02:56:28] | wagnerrp: | if you need to, create the necessary IP alias, and push out an ARP update |
| [02:56:59] | wagnerrp: | if you want to make sure there is no address bleedover, use vservers or jails, or something like that which isolates the network space |
| [02:57:40] | wagnerrp: | gives you everything a virtualization system would, only without the virtualization |
| [02:58:06] | wagnerrp: | i understand that he whole package has some very useful features to it for server management |
| [02:58:23] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that the full machine virtualization is not a key part of that package |
| [02:58:56] | wagnerrp: | its just one feature that was tacked on for the ride |
| [02:59:09] | wagnerrp: | but it became the buzzword for the whole style of system configuration |
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| [03:01:46] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: all im saying is that the full machine virtualization part of that system configuration is not necessary for most uses |
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| [03:54:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Definitely not the kind of attitude I want testing a brand new app ;) |
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| [05:01:57] | wagnerrp: | its a shame canada isnt following suit with cablecard requirements |
| [05:02:13] | wagnerrp: | so we cant unilaterally suggest people switch to cablecard when they have firewire issues |
| [05:02:46] | wagnerrp: | but then that would just give that much more reason for them to run in a VM.... |
| [05:03:37] | [R]: | lol |
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| [05:14:06] | totalanni: | With a HdHomeRun, i would be able to capture basic cable(channels 4–70ish) and free digital channels as well? |
| [05:14:27] | wagnerrp: | by basic cable, you mean analog? |
| [05:14:38] | totalanni: | yes |
| [05:14:42] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:14:52] | totalanni: | hvr-2250 will thou |
| [05:14:57] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:14:59] | totalanni: | that is what you suggested i think the other night |
| [05:15:30] | totalanni: | kk, was just trying to find something abit cheaper... :-D |
| [05:16:17] | wagnerrp: | the hvr-2250 and hdhomerun are about the same price |
| [05:16:26] | wagnerrp: | not really cheaper |
| [05:16:47] | totalanni: | i could get a cheap hdhr for like $35 on fleabay |
| [05:16:50] | ** totalanni shrugs ** | |
| [05:17:04] | wagnerrp: | a dual channel one? |
| [05:17:10] | totalanni: | nah |
| [05:17:14] | wagnerrp: | you trust used hardware on fleabay? |
| [05:17:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:17:22] | totalanni: | meh |
| [05:17:24] | totalanni: | not really |
| [05:17:26] | [R]: | someone probably you know... |
| [05:17:36] | totalanni: | but paypal does protect me ;) |
| [05:17:37] | [R]: | made a love explsion in it |
| [05:17:40] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:17:50] | totalanni: | love the jokes tonight |
| [05:18:04] | wagnerrp: | paypal protects the people who understand how to game the system |
| [05:18:27] | wagnerrp: | they screw over the legitimate participant in the deal |
| [05:18:37] | totalanni: | im sayin, if you say it works, and i get it, and it doesnt... |
| [05:18:52] | totalanni: | ill file a claim |
| [05:18:59] | totalanni: | ive only ever had to do that with used d2 cdkeys |
| [05:19:05] | totalanni: | heh |
| [05:24:00] | totalanni: | thanks once again wagnerrp, for the straight up quick response |
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| [05:49:08] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: odd, the freebsd compiler doesnt seem to care about the lack of prototype for that function in mythcommandlineparser.cpp |
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| [07:06:11] | donEduardo: | good morning everyone |
| [07:06:43] | donEduardo: | anybody got some idea why my sorting is not working: http://pastebin.com/KLvKWnWh |
| [07:06:48] | justinh: | is it? Well at least it's Friday |
| [07:07:02] | donEduardo: | here it is :) |
| [07:07:17] | justinh: | that'd be more a question for #python wouldn't it? |
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| [07:10:43] | justinh: | I dunno anything about python but after a quick look at the reference material I'd say the sorted statement looks sane |
| [07:15:23] | justinh: | ah. looks like maybe you can't sort on multiple keys |
| [07:16:14] | justinh: | so you either have to make a new method to do it, or else sort the stuff X times, once for title, season, episode... |
| [07:18:23] | justinh: | or with python > 2.4 ... you can use operator.attrgetter(): |
| [07:18:39] | justinh: | amazing what a bit of googling (python sort multiple keys) can find :-D |
| [07:21:20] | justinh: | http://stygianvision.net/updates/python-sort- . . . ultiple-key/ will maybe help |
| [07:22:09] | justinh: | I already didn't like python, but having seen how some of the afficionados carry on in forums I found... I think I actually despise it now |
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| [07:29:20] | donEduardo: | hihi. |
| [07:29:48] | donEduardo: | well, i tried the perl bindings of mythtv, but they are even worse documentet than the python ones |
| [07:30:13] | justinh: | donEduardo: did you actually see anything I just said? |
| [07:30:35] | justinh: | looks like you can't sort on multiple keys the way you're trying to |
| [07:30:39] | justinh: | http://stygianvision.net/updates/python-sort- . . . ultiple-key/ |
| [07:30:41] | donEduardo: | what do you meen by see |
| [07:30:47] | justinh: | I mean *read* |
| [07:30:50] | donEduardo: | hm, you can sort on multiple keys, normaly |
| [07:31:09] | justinh: | not by that method, by what I've found with basic googling |
| [07:31:11] | donEduardo: | yes, i did read it just now, i had a phone call, thats why i took a little until i answered. |
| [07:31:45] | donEduardo: | the las link you sent, there you can see sort on multiple keys |
| [07:31:58] | justinh: | yes, but the method is different to how you're trying to do it |
| [07:32:36] | donEduardo: | really? i have to compare! |
| [07:32:50] | justinh: | sorted(videos, key=('title', 'season', 'episode', 'subtitle')) |
| [07:32:51] | justinh: | vs |
| [07:33:10] | justinh: | sorted(mylist, key=itemgetter('name', 'age')) |
| [07:33:27] | donEduardo: | o shit. i forgott attrgetter :) |
| [07:33:41] | donEduardo: | i even imported it! THANKS! |
| [07:33:56] | justinh: | apparently so. and I learned something about python I didn't want to know :-P |
| [07:34:27] | justinh: | the more python code I see the less I become convinced it's suitable for 'learners' |
| [07:34:43] | donEduardo: | no, it's really not. |
| [07:35:05] | donEduardo: | i am really thinking about swiching to c once the code runs.... it's so slow on python |
| [07:35:38] | donEduardo: | now it works just perfect |
| [07:38:25] | justinh: | :-) |
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| [07:57:23] | xris: | justinh: python can work for beginners, but it has a lot of advanced stuff under the hood. I've been enjoying a lot of the functional style stuff and memory tricks it has. but I still miss my {} |
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| [08:06:39] | k-man: | skype is getting more like realmedia by the day |
| [08:09:34] | justinh: | I could be wrong, but it looks like scrolling text has made it into mythui :) |
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| [08:13:11] | justinh: | oh yeah... looks like it's *smooth* scrolling too :-D |
| [08:13:26] | justinh: | git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git |
| [08:13:36] | justinh: | case ScrollLeft : MoveDrawRect(-1, 0); |
| [08:15:10] | k-man: | so where would one use that? |
| [08:27:27] | xris: | k-man: I work for the company that makes that Real stuff. :P |
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| [08:27:47] | xris: | I've been told it's the format of choice among chinese video pirates. |
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| [08:48:06] | k-man: | huh? |
| [09:03:20] | xris: | I work for real.com |
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| [09:03:31] | xris: | you mentioned realmedia |
| [09:05:28] | k-man: | oh ok |
| [09:05:38] | k-man: | err... sorry, no offense intended |
| [09:05:53] | xris: | none taken. hence the :P |
| [09:06:42] | xris: | I don't work on anything related to that. heck, no one really does anymore (though the codecs are supposedly still used occasionally for embedded stuff. video conferencing hardware, etc) |
| [09:08:50] | ** xris goes to bed. ** | |
| [09:12:36] | justinh: | k-man: I'm guessing anywhere there may be text too long to display in a textarea ;) |
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| [11:14:03] | stuartm: | I bought my first Dremel last night, cordless one to help me remove the old guttering, strangely I'm not the least bit tempted to start modding cases with it |
| [11:14:29] | justinh: | heheh |
| [11:14:45] | justinh: | it's *very* hard to keep one in a straight line |
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| [11:15:30] | justinh: | stuartm: maybe the trick is that you have to labotomise yourself – maybe *then* you'll get into case modding ;) |
| [11:15:33] | stuartm: | yeah, I figured it would be, I can't even keep a hacksaw straight :) |
| [11:24:31] | justinh: | all the best modded cases I've ever seen have been superb jobs done in a proper machine shop, not DIY hatchet jobs |
| [11:24:46] | mzb: | nah ... angle grinders are better for straight lines ;) |
| [11:25:01] | justinh: | but the expense of properly made ones makes me wonder *why* & what's the point? |
| [11:25:09] | stuartm: | I'm not stupid, I can figure it out but the instructions that come with it are completely useless – want to know which materials each accessory can be used with? Simple if you can interpret their hieroglyphics – no legend for the symbols |
| [11:25:31] | justinh: | stuartm: check the website. they have nice tutorial vids |
| [11:25:55] | justinh: | my favourite dremel tool has got to be the cutoff disc |
| [11:26:25] | stuartm: | and no information on which shafts are used for each, again trial and error gives me a reasonable clue, but how hard would it have been to stick a paragraph about it in the manual? |
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| [11:27:35] | justinh: | I didn't buy a proper Dremel. I just got a multi-tool thingy from Aldi :D |
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| [11:28:41] | justinh: | £20 & £3 got me oodles of accessories like a lifetime's supply of cutting discs :D |
| [11:28:43] | stuartm: | justinh: heh, I might have got something cheaper but this was something of an impulse buy, I needed something cordless and spotted this one on sale (£20 off) |
| [11:28:52] | Solaris444: | wagnerpp, justinh, I am reporting back from the other day. |
| [11:29:03] | justinh: | what other day? |
| [11:29:04] | Solaris444: | Turning off compositing in KDE DID solve the delay problem. |
| [11:29:06] | stuartm: | that said, even £20 off, it's still not cheap |
| [11:29:23] | justinh: | stuartm: yeh dremel is expensive |
| [11:29:25] | Solaris444: | justinh, I came in to ask about a "low framerate" issue I was having. |
| [11:29:38] | justinh: | I honestly can't remember |
| [11:29:58] | justinh: | anyway, glad our advice fixed the problem :) |
| [11:30:14] | justinh: | turn off stupid 3d spinny desktop thing.. fixes almost everything |
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| [11:30:57] | stuartm: | it did a good job of sharpening my chisels last night, so it's already on it's way to paying for itself |
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| [11:31:31] | justinh: | reminds me I need to buy a thing to sharpen my kitchen knives |
| [11:31:52] | ** justinh wouldn't know what to do with a whetstone if one hit him on the head ** | |
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| [11:32:31] | Solaris444: | lol |
| [11:32:41] | Solaris444: | well, sadly, the other problem remains. |
| [11:33:01] | Solaris444: | Still trying to figure out what's going on with that one. |
| [11:33:12] | justinh: | hahaha Intel to rebrand Atom... because falling sales are due to a poor brand image. |
| [11:33:15] | stuartm: | I have a whetstone for my pen knives, but frankly you need to be starting with something which isn't completely blunt like my chisels were |
| [11:33:29] | Solaris444: | lol Atom. Those things are hilariously bad. |
| [11:33:40] | ** justinh always buys cheap chisels & abuses them to hell ** | |
| [11:33:51] | justinh: | wreck a £2 chisel & throw it away |
| [11:34:10] | justinh: | er I mean £2 for a pack of six |
| [11:34:59] | stuartm: | I don't think these were expensive, I've had them so long I don't remember, it might be why they were in such a bad state to begin with :D |
| [11:36:19] | stuartm: | I use to have my granddad's really nice wooden handled set – he was an engineer and looked after his tools, sadly they were ruined when water got into the shed and rusted them |
| [11:39:14] | stuartm: | justinh: need any more Cut-off discs? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dremel-409-Cut-off-Wh . . . 1&sr=8-2 |
| [11:39:28] | stuartm: | bargin prce |
| [11:42:36] | stuartm: | £10,426.71 |
| [11:45:57] | stuartm: | wow, those speed-clic discs are expensive £3–4 each ... think I'll save those for when I need them and stick with the cheap Cut-offs |
| [11:46:02] | k-man: | bargain, I'll get two packs |
| [11:47:44] | stuartm: | k-man: better be quick, just 4 left in stock! At that price they won't be there for long |
| [11:47:51] | k-man: | hehe |
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| [13:55:48] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: in master, does the metadata retrieval utilize any of the locale data to determine if it should download information about a show that may be broadcast with the same title overseas? like "The Office (UK)" versus "The Office (US)"? or even lang variables to further qualify which language? |
| [13:56:21] | wagnerrp: | lang is passed to the grabber script |
| [13:56:42] | wagnerrp: | its up to the grabber script and the data source to decide what to prioritize |
| [14:00:22] | iamlindoro: | not exactly |
| [14:00:34] | iamlindoro: | There is no sense of priority in the grabber results |
| [14:00:45] | iamlindoro: | I suppose the script could take a locale and remove results |
| [14:00:51] | iamlindoro: | but I would strongly urge it not to |
| [14:01:17] | iamlindoro: | Parsing metadata out of a sources title is a recipe for failure |
| [14:01:47] | iamlindoro: | we use the year versus original airdate as an assist, but those are distinct fields to compare |
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| [14:03:33] | stuartm: | TMDB was supposed to be moving towards a locale sensitive search/results API but that hasn't happened and given the lack of development it might not happen now |
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| [14:12:10] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I haven't played with 0.25 yet, so I don't exactly know how it's presented to the user – but if it shows multiple results, does it try to present them in any sort of order of what it thinks is more appropriate or less appropriate? |
| [14:12:36] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [14:12:52] | skd5aner: | I would like, if there was a weighting, instead of removing or filtering a result, you could use locale to at least order perhaps |
| [14:13:03] | skd5aner: | ok... so, it's as the service returns it? |
| [14:13:06] | iamlindoro: | Based on? |
| [14:13:29] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it's sort of kind of as the service returns it |
| [14:13:48] | iamlindoro: | there are instances where we combine both movie and TV results, in which case based on what the thing is more likely to be, the TV or Movie results could be first |
| [14:13:51] | skd5aner: | If I'm en-us, and I have a show "The Office" – display results that contain country identifiers that do NOT match up to US later in the list |
| [14:14:07] | iamlindoro: | There are no such things as country identifiers |
| [14:14:11] | skd5aner: | but, still show them, don't lump them off |
| [14:14:25] | skd5aner: | http://thetvdb.com/?string=the+office&sea . . . ction=Search ? |
| [14:14:42] | iamlindoro: | Those are inconsistent and we would have to hack each country into the script |
| [14:15:15] | skd5aner: | you wouldn't be able to simply use it as a variable from the locale settings in mythtv and/or the system? |
| [14:15:44] | skd5aner: | I'm just asking hypothetically here :) |
| [14:15:54] | iamlindoro: | Not without hacking the possible values into the code-- the things some random guy decides to append are not necessarily a valid ISO country code |
| [14:16:33] | skd5aner: | OK – so on ttvdb, those country codes that have been added where simply someone appending it to the title, and not something that was appended by a field in ttvdb? |
| [14:16:43] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [14:16:57] | iamlindoro: | http://thetvdb.com/?string=%28australia%29&am . . . ction=Search |
| [14:16:59] | skd5aner: | ah, ok... so, you'd have to parse it and assume |
| [14:17:05] | iamlindoro: | http://thetvdb.com/?string=%28au%29&searc . . . ction=Search |
| [14:17:27] | skd5aner: | hrmmm... i see |
| [14:17:50] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry-- the metadata code is much smarter than you think |
| [14:18:10] | iamlindoro: | Your example of The Office, for example, will be auto-picked |
| [14:18:24] | skd5aner: | yea – I knew you had put some form of "intelligence" into it... but wasn't sure if what I was describing was one of the factors or not |
| [14:18:26] | iamlindoro: | There won't be a search popup when used against schedules direct listings |
| [14:18:34] | iamlindoro: | not for that, anyway |
| [14:18:52] | iamlindoro: | likewise with Castle, and a couple of the other random ones that needed an override in JAMU |
| [14:18:54] | skd5aner: | is that because of some mapping with IDs? |
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| [14:19:06] | skd5aner: | or an explicit override? |
| [14:19:15] | skd5aner: | like the jamu.conf |
| [14:19:21] | iamlindoro: | It's because of airdate matching |
| [14:19:29] | iamlindoro: | Though explicit override is available |
| [14:19:33] | iamlindoro: | read the wiki page |
| [14:19:44] | iamlindoro: | When you set an inetref on a rule, it becomes an explicit override |
| [14:19:44] | skd5aner: | ok – thanks |
| [14:20:05] | iamlindoro: | so in a sense, even search-assisted or 100% automated results are an explicit override |
| [14:20:13] | iamlindoro: | since thereafter the rule's inetref is king |
| [14:20:26] | iamlindoro: | and will be used instead of performing any title matching |
| [14:20:28] | skd5aner: | yup, I recall that piece now |
| [14:21:19] | skd5aner: | cool – thanks again |
| [14:21:22] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [14:49:16] | ** iamlindoro knows he shouldn't be bothered by someone running along behind his commits correcting grammar and spelling, but it just "feels" bothersome for some reason ** | |
| [14:49:49] | ** wagnerrp is still waiting for 'optical disk' to be fixed ** | |
| [14:49:55] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [14:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Especially given the mountain of grammar and spelling errors in the user-facing parts of the code, it seems like comments and error messages aren't priority 1 |
| [14:51:57] | iamlindoro: | Granted, it's tough to complain when the correction is accurate, but it just feels... arbitrary |
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| [15:15:54] | wagnerrp: | so why do people create spam accounts and then not use them immediately? |
| [15:16:08] | k-man: | sleepers |
| [15:16:14] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: As they sell them |
| [15:16:17] | k-man: | they will wait 20 years before starting to spam |
| [15:16:35] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, ive got about 10k such accounts on the wiki i need to clear out |
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| [15:39:45] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do you know if GregTurn is still around? |
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| [15:49:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I'm not familiar with him |
| [15:49:44] | wagnerrp: | neither am i |
| [15:49:57] | wagnerrp: | but he ran the bot that help migrate the old wiki to the new |
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| [15:51:08] | wagnerrp: | im considering implementing this thing stuartm was talking about, that wipes any unused account from the wiki after X amount of time |
| [15:51:26] | iamlindoro: | You could install my wiki skin while you were at it ;) |
| [15:51:33] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if we have any bot code still laying around anywhere, or if goldfishbot ran on his own system |
| [15:51:40] | wagnerrp: | where is that at? |
| [15:51:42] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/wiki.png |
| [15:52:01] | ** wagnerrp cant very well install an image ** | |
| [15:52:07] | iamlindoro: | Get cuttin'! |
| [15:53:11] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythtv.wikiskin.tar.gz |
| [15:53:25] | iamlindoro: | I haven't looked at it in over a year, but I think I was fairly happy with it at that time |
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| [15:55:30] | wagnerrp: | i should be able to add this as an optional theme now, and then set it to default later, right? |
| [15:55:38] | iamlindoro: | I would think |
| [15:56:57] | iamlindoro: | I became familiar with how it all worked back then, but it's all fallen out of my brain |
| [16:00:48] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im fairly certain Steve's icon is an mspaint-job on https://github.com/MythTV/extras/blob/master/logos/high_res.png |
| [16:01:12] | iamlindoro: | Seems highly likely |
| [16:01:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe not that one, shading doesnt seem right |
| [16:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but some version of that image |
| [16:02:12] | iamlindoro: | and manipulating the raster versus the vector |
| [16:02:20] | iamlindoro: | if he takes the SVG he's likely to be a lot happier |
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| [16:13:33] | gizmobay: | Will compiling with debug symbols then running mythtv cause mythtv to run slower? |
| [16:14:30] | wagnerrp: | only when debugging |
| [16:14:48] | wagnerrp: | but bigger issue is that its going to turn off a lot of the optimization in the compiler |
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| [16:26:57] | jedix: | is there a way to change/view the flagged sections of commercials through the mythtv web interface? |
| [16:27:09] | wagnerrp: | not at current |
| [16:27:09] | gizmobay: | so when I run in backtrace mode (gdb) it will slow performance but if I just run it regularly it won't? |
| [16:27:27] | jedix: | how do you do it through the front end? |
| [16:27:34] | wagnerrp: | edit mode 'e' |
| [16:27:41] | jedix: | when viewing? |
| [16:27:53] | wagnerrp: | gizmobay: i believe there is an additional penalty when you are actually running through gdb, yes |
| [16:27:57] | wagnerrp: | jedix: correct |
| [16:28:01] | jedix: | thanks |
| [16:28:10] | wagnerrp: | recordings only, i dont believe edit mode is available for livetv |
| [16:28:47] | gizmobay: | okay, I'm running into seg faults when viewing the epg and when I exit mythweather |
| [16:30:25] | li_wid--_: | when you look at upcoming recordings page ui, it shows Tuner numbers, but also some letters, what does L mean |
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| [16:48:59] | wagnerrp: | it means it is going to record a later showing |
| [16:49:05] | wagnerrp: | as conflict resolution |
| [16:51:42] | li_wid--_: | o |
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| [17:29:01] | ** iamlindoro guesses someone should start documenting the services API before it gets so large that nobody ever wants to ** | |
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| [17:29:15] | ** iamlindoro further guesses that that someone will probably have to be him ** | |
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| [17:29:37] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [17:30:27] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it would be easier to write something that auto-generates much of the documentation from the wsdl pages? |
| [17:30:37] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I thought about it |
| [17:30:47] | iamlindoro: | but it seems like most of it needs a human readable explanation |
| [17:31:01] | wagnerrp: | can you embed commentary in the wsdl page? |
| [17:31:04] | iamlindoro: | It would be nicer if the Qt property assignment stuff supported a comment |
| [17:31:12] | iamlindoro: | I looked into it and it didn't look like it did |
| [17:31:46] | iamlindoro: | Don't get me wrong, the wsdl *is* nice and is to me readable |
| [17:32:00] | wagnerrp: | readable-ish |
| [17:32:04] | iamlindoro: | but I also have written at least half the APIs now so of course the variable names are self explanatory to me |
| [17:33:26] | wagnerrp: | last time i worked up the motivation to document the new API, the wsdl pages caused a segfault in the backend |
| [17:33:35] | Beirdo: | oh crap. |
| [17:33:37] | wagnerrp: | ... and that was the end of that |
| [17:33:42] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:33:44] | Beirdo: | There's guide data until 2011-09–24 22:00 (1 day). WARNING: is mythfilldatabase running? |
| [17:33:49] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [17:33:51] | Beirdo: | heh, good thing I checked today |
| [17:33:58] | wagnerrp: | good thing its the weekend too |
| [17:34:13] | Beirdo: | I had recompiled, and there was a couple db changes I hadn't applied |
| [17:34:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, it doesn't do that any more |
| [17:34:26] | Beirdo: | so when mfd hit the db check, it would quit (as designed) |
| [17:34:27] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [17:34:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yeah, this was like 6 months ago |
| [17:34:39] | Beirdo: | all upgraded now |
| [17:35:16] | Beirdo: | 188220 repeats. ouchie |
| [17:37:10] | Beirdo: | hmmm... show called "Dirty Soap" on E! Entertainment |
| [17:37:13] | Beirdo: | I think I'll pass. |
| [17:37:31] | mag0o: | followed by Swamp People? |
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| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | nooo, it's a soap opera |
| [17:38:05] | mag0o: | :) |
| [17:38:25] | Beirdo: | found another premiere on Sunday |
| [17:39:55] | mag0o: | OK, so there are 2 shows on Sunday at 9pm the wife wants recorded. She definately wants one to record, so I'd like to force that to be via the HDPVR, while the other will attempt to record via Antenna. They're currently swapped, and I can't figure out the right way to get them how I want them. Removing the less desired schedule puts the desired program on the HDPVR, but then adding the lesser schedule back bumps the desired from the HDPVR. Any |
| [17:40:39] | iamlindoro: | Turn down that channel's priority on the HD-PVR |
| [17:40:55] | iamlindoro: | that is, on the source that feeds the HD-PVR, give a negative channel prio |
| [17:41:03] | iamlindoro: | (but just to that channel) |
| [17:41:42] | iamlindoro: | Note that this means the channel itself will tend to use the QAM tuner in general, and not just for the program |
| [17:42:54] | Beirdo: | oooh, Californication is starting again Tues |
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| [18:16:31] | nickle2342: | Hi all |
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| [18:17:49] | nickle2342: | I'm needing a hd encoder board supported by mythtv, does such a board exist or do I have to go with the Hauppauge HD PVR? |
| [18:25:59] | skd5aner: | There's the "colossus" which is the only "board" I'm aware of that will encode from an analog HD signal – that said, it is /not/ supported in linux and therefore not supported by mythtv |
| [18:26:41] | skd5aner: | if you live in the US, you could consider the HDHR prime, which uses cable card, but it's not an "encoder" or any other ClearQAM/ATSC digital board |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | He's a Canadian |
| [18:27:09] | skd5aner: | nickle2342: if you gave your scenario, it might be easier to give you advice |
| [18:29:16] | skd5aner: | anyone else having issues with gmail right now? |
| [18:29:38] | jams: | yeah pop3 is really slow |
| [18:29:54] | jams: | but it does work eventually |
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| [18:47:10] | wagnerrp: | i drove by a fiero, kitted up to look like a viper, with a huge spoiler and all |
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| [18:47:35] | wagnerrp: | and then i realized it actually was a viper, and the current models just look that gaudy |
| [18:47:43] | wagnerrp: | god dodge ruined that car... |
| [18:53:57] | nickle2342: | Hey guys, scenario is that I want to be able to 'futureproof', by recording digital and encoding hd to minimize cpu usage |
| [18:54:58] | wagnerrp: | right now, thee only way to record HD analog with mythtv is the hauppauge HDPVR |
| [18:55:15] | nickle2342: | damn .. I thought so |
| [18:55:24] | wagnerrp: | there is no futureproofing, there is no minimizing cpu usage, thats simply the only option |
| [18:55:26] | nickle2342: | And mythtv is the best linux pvr, correct? |
| [18:55:32] | nickle2342: | regarding stability, support, etc |
| [18:55:45] | wagnerrp: | you expect to get an unbiased response to that question here? |
| [18:55:52] | nickle2342: | haha |
| [18:56:09] | nickle2342: | I know, but you guys have probably tried others, have a reason to like mythtv |
| [18:56:40] | Hoochster: | lmao |
| [18:56:48] | wagnerrp: | its the only usable one on linux with any significant ongoing development |
| [18:56:56] | nickle2342: | thought so |
| [18:56:58] | nickle2342: | hrmm. |
| [18:57:03] | nickle2342: | any hauppauge hd pvr users here? |
| [18:57:22] | wagnerrp: | tvheadend is getting significant development, but i believe its still considered unstable and not intended for primary use |
| [18:57:36] | wagnerrp: | in addition to the fact that it is more similar to our backend |
| [18:57:38] | Beirdo: | 2011-09–23 11:56:49.559947 I Closing DB connection named 'DBManager19' |
| [18:57:38] | Beirdo: | QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver |
| [18:57:40] | wagnerrp: | and not a full PVR solution |
| [18:57:41] | Beirdo: | Niiice |
| [18:58:05] | nickle2342: | k .. I think I'll try the hd pvr |
| [18:58:30] | nickle2342: | I hate te fact that its usb and not inboard, but doesn't look like colossus drivers are expected too soon |
| [18:58:41] | Beirdo: | mythweb kills mythbackend |
| [18:58:43] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:59:13] | wagnerrp: | nickle2342: well you can make it internal (by voiding your warranty), but not much you can do about it being USB |
| [18:59:33] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, but TVHeadend has zapping < 1s in livetv |
| [18:59:41] | nickle2342: | *make it internal .. doesn't pcie it tho does it? |
| [19:00:03] | kormoc: | nickle2342, no. People rip it out of it's case and attach it to a internal usb header or similar |
| [19:00:20] | iamlindoro: | FabriceMG: By removing trick play entirely |
| [19:01:06] | nickle2342: | hmm .. not a bad idea as I want to have multiple |
| [19:01:32] | FabriceMG: | iamlindoro, what is trick play? |
| [19:02:19] | iamlindoro: | "Everything that makes it a DVR" |
| [19:02:33] | iamlindoro: | (in live tv) |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | pause, rewind, etc... |
| [19:02:52] | FabriceMG: | oki |
| [19:03:08] | FabriceMG: | pause work now |
| [19:03:41] | Beirdo: | crashy in MetadataFactory::OnNoResult |
| [19:03:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i imagine that can only be done with analog framegrabbers as well? |
| [19:04:16] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go do some work, then I'll bug-hunt |
| [19:04:34] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: TVHeadend also only supports v4l-dvb |
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| [19:04:54] | iamlindoro: | But it lacks most of myth's functionality |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i mean... those <1s channel changes can only be done with framegrabbers |
| [19:05:12] | iamlindoro: | it's basically mythweb plus some perl scripts that record v4l-dvb, and that's it |
| [19:05:19] | iamlindoro: | unknown to me |
| [19:05:22] | wagnerrp: | since any MPEG encoders are going to have at least 1s of internal buffering |
| [19:05:28] | iamlindoro: | They don't support analog at all |
| [19:05:41] | wagnerrp: | and dvb tuner cards generally take >1s to tune all on their own |
| [19:05:43] | FabriceMG: | TVheadend have very cool web interface for the configuration |
| [19:07:13] | iamlindoro: | FabriceMG: This is the myth channel-- we're not here to compare. |
| [19:07:57] | iamlindoro: | If people want to use it that's fine, but we're not here to sell people on alternatives |
| [19:08:08] | FabriceMG: | :) |
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| [19:12:00] | ** wagnerrp wonders if uvesafb will do 2560x1600 ** | |
| [19:17:58] | nickle2342: | If I don't go HD, is there a top favourite within the community for coax encoder board? |
| [19:18:17] | wagnerrp: | used PVR-150/500 or new HVR-1600/2250 |
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| [19:22:24] | nickle2342: | k – I've used the 150 before and was happy with it, any benefit going with HVR-1600/2250? |
| [19:22:42] | wagnerrp: | you can buy one new, and you get a digital tuner |
| [19:26:18] | nickle2342: | hmm .. any north american providers sending QAM digital cable TV or is it all encrypted these days? |
| [19:26:51] | iamlindoro: | QAM is the modulation, not an indication of the presence of or lack of encryption |
| [19:26:58] | iamlindoro: | All digital cable is QAM |
| [19:27:01] | iamlindoro: | encrypted or not |
| [19:27:22] | iamlindoro: | Many providers leave a small number of channels unencrypted-- how many varies wildly by provider and locale |
| [19:27:28] | nickle2342: | I see |
| [19:27:40] | nickle2342: | Thanks for being so helpful guys, it really is, well.. helpful :) |
| [19:27:46] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I'm seeing a problem in the metadata lookup service. |
| [19:28:01] | wagnerrp: | nickle2342: contact your cable provider, see if they do cablecards, and see what amount of their channels are marked copy-freely |
| [19:28:11] | Beirdo: | it's trying to send an event to NULL, which (if you run in WARNINGS_FATAL mode) crashes it |
| [19:28:11] | nickle2342: | I'm interested in the firewire option, is there any drawback with using firewire from my moto set top box over using a board? |
| [19:28:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can record any copy-freely channel using a cablecard tuner |
| [19:28:51] | Beirdo: | seems to trace back to "new MetadataFactory(NULL)" in the VideoLookup handler |
| [19:29:09] | iamlindoro: | Having a null parent is not an invalid configuration |
| [19:29:15] | wagnerrp: | firewire will not be able to record any shows that are copy protected |
| [19:29:20] | iamlindoro: | That said, could null check the parent |
| [19:29:25] | Beirdo: | sending an event to a null receiver is, however |
| [19:29:31] | wagnerrp: | and depending on how the firmware is configured, may not be able to record things marked copy freely |
| [19:29:40] | iamlindoro: | Fine. Noted. |
| [19:29:46] | Beirdo: | Qt raises a warning, and aborts, so it seems :) |
| [19:29:51] | nickle2342: | hmm |
| [19:29:56] | nickle2342: | ok, I've got a lot of testing to do |
| [19:29:56] | iamlindoro: | ok, I'll make a note of it |
| [19:29:58] | Beirdo: | granted, I could run it in not fatal mode :) |
| [19:30:00] | wagnerrp: | you may get everything over firewire, you may get nothing |
| [19:30:02] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [19:30:20] | wagnerrp: | with analog capture off an STB, you are guaranteed to get everything, but its a PITA to manage |
| [19:30:24] | Beirdo: | for the moment, I'll hack in an if so I can get this program scheduled. |
| [19:30:27] | nickle2342: | for firewire, I plug in, it should be found within inputs correct? |
| [19:30:29] | Beirdo: | but not commit :) |
| [19:30:47] | wagnerrp: | you have to add the device as a new card |
| [19:31:01] | wagnerrp: | but i believe it will be autodetected under the firewire type |
| [19:31:08] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually set one up myself |
| [19:35:59] | kormoc: | nickle2342, you might as well ask your scheduler q here |
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| [19:37:08] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I think the current vipers look signficately more like corvettes now |
| [19:37:42] | skd5aner: | not that I hate the look of the vette, but I loved the lines of the viper |
| [19:38:15] | wagnerrp: | the early and mid 90s viper was a beautiful car |
| [19:38:20] | wagnerrp: | now they just trashed it up |
| [19:38:35] | skd5aner: | interesting to go through this – http://www.viperheadquarters.com/history/ |
| [19:38:53] | wagnerrp: | they took a page out of the simpsons playbook and put speed holes all over the thing |
| [19:42:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 2003 is where it really started to go downhill |
| [19:44:53] | Beirdo: | hmmm, did someone mess with the previews in mythweb? |
| [19:45:18] | Beirdo: | mine seem all out of proportion today (first update of it in weeks) |
| [19:49:27] | skd5aner: | master or fixes? |
| [19:49:43] | wagnerrp: | hopefully no one would be touching fixes |
| [19:49:46] | wagnerrp: | except to fix it |
| [19:49:55] | skd5aner: | well... inadvertant change perhaps |
| [19:50:10] | skd5aner: | or, consiquence I should say |
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| [20:06:36] | Beirdo: | OK, I see it |
| [20:06:49] | Beirdo: | it's just in clean_blue skin that it got bent, it seems |
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| [20:09:31] | Beirdo: | and fixed |
| [20:11:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: What flags does on pass to a MythSystem if all I want is for it to run, I don't care about the output, I don't care about anything, just that it run |
| [20:11:28] | iamlindoro: | ie, the bare minimum flag |
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| [20:15:14] | Slasher`: | evening people, i've managed to source and fit a low-profile PAL pvr-150 (i think thats what it was anyway, i know its 150) and upon trying to do live playback im getting "2011-09–23 21:13:14.083 RingBuf(/home/craig/mythtv/1000_20110923211304.nuv) Error: Took more than 10 seconds to be allowed to read, aborting." does anyone know how to fix this please? |
| [20:16:04] | wagnerrp: | if you are trying to create nuvs with a PVR-150, you have it configured wrong |
| [20:16:24] | Slasher`: | not even sure what an nvu is to be honest |
| [20:16:40] | wagnerrp: | the file format mythtv produces when using a V4l framegrabber |
| [20:16:45] | Slasher`: | ahh i see |
| [20:16:51] | Slasher`: | is there any way to completely reset the lot and start fresh? |
| [20:16:57] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the mpegs produced when using an IVTV encoder card |
| [20:17:14] | wagnerrp: | delete the card, recreate it as the proper type, and attach it to your existing source |
| [20:17:34] | Slasher`: | ok, i'll attempt that one |
| [20:18:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: probably just kMS[No]RunShell, depending on how you want to configure the command |
| [20:18:35] | wagnerrp: | and kMSAutoCleanup if this is a fire-and-forget |
| [20:19:12] | Slasher`: | it's doing the nuv thing again |
| [20:19:25] | Slasher`: | i'm trying to grab from s-video by the way if that makes a difference |
| [20:19:32] | wagnerrp: | none at all |
| [20:19:44] | Slasher`: | i told it to use s-video1 is that right? |
| [20:19:45] | wagnerrp: | if its still trying to record nuvs, then you set it up in the same exact incorrect manner |
| [20:19:57] | Slasher`: | i probably did lol |
| [20:20:01] | Slasher`: | lets try again |
| [20:20:10] | wagnerrp: | you are setting it up as a V4L type |
| [20:20:24] | wagnerrp: | when you add the card, you should see a dropdown at the top of the window |
| [20:20:35] | wagnerrp: | and it the initial selection when you enter that is V4L |
| [20:20:38] | wagnerrp: | you dont want that |
| [20:20:45] | wagnerrp: | change that value to the IVTV one |
| [20:20:46] | Slasher`: | ahh yes i am setting it as V4L you are right |
| [20:21:57] | Slasher`: | awesome that's kind of working |
| [20:23:01] | Slasher`: | thanks for that.... but it's not detecting what's plugged in though, i'm just getting slight static — any ideas on that one? |
| [20:23:37] | wagnerrp: | when you connected the input to the source, what input did you use? |
| [20:23:58] | Slasher`: | s-video |
| [20:24:08] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
| [20:24:16] | Slasher`: | it's the only one on the card apart from audio and the ariel port |
| [20:24:32] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, when you configured the card |
| [20:24:35] | iamlindoro: | Not what physical input, he's asking what input label you used in mythtv-setup |
| [20:24:41] | Slasher`: | oh |
| [20:24:42] | Slasher`: | sorry |
| [20:24:45] | iamlindoro: | When you connect the video source to the card input |
| [20:24:47] | Slasher`: | s-video |
| [20:24:48] | wagnerrp: | you added the card, added a video source, and attached that video source to one of the inputs mythtv enumerated for the card |
| [20:24:48] | Slasher`: | i think |
| [20:24:50] | Slasher`: | let me check |
| [20:25:00] | wagnerrp: | which one, there are two different svideo inputs on that card |
| [20:25:05] | wagnerrp: | one of them is the back panel |
| [20:25:09] | Slasher`: | ohh |
| [20:25:12] | Slasher`: | s-video 1 it was called |
| [20:25:15] | wagnerrp: | the other is that white header |
| [20:25:25] | wagnerrp: | if the one you chose isnt working, try the other one |
| [20:25:30] | Slasher`: | ok, i'll try that |
| [20:25:36] | Slasher`: | sorry i misunderstood what you meant there |
| [20:30:39] | Slasher`: | just a black screen with nothing on that one |
| [20:31:02] | iamlindoro: | Have you actually made the device work outside of myth? |
| [20:31:30] | iamlindoro: | as in, use ivtv-ctl to change input, and do cat /dev/video1 > somefile.mpg, and play that file with actual TV? |
| [20:31:51] | iamlindoro: | Trying to get it working in myth before you've verified it works outside will be a painful experience |
| [20:32:01] | iamlindoro: | especially if you spend hours on myth and find that you don't have a working card |
| [20:32:14] | Slasher`: | that was the one i couldn't remember how to do, thanks, i shall try that one now |
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| [20:35:47] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [20:36:09] | Slasher`: | how can i make it list my inputs avaliable again? |
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| [20:37:53] | Slasher`: | --list-inputs doesnt seem to work anymore :/ |
| [20:49:36] | Slasher`: | ooh i think i found it |
| [20:52:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: two minutes and thirty-seven seconds... not your quickest close, but up there |
| [20:53:45] | Slasher`: | hmmm maybe not --- it's not v4l2-ctl to change inputs etc is it? |
| [20:54:02] | wagnerrp: | sounds right |
| [20:54:24] | wagnerrp: | it used to be ivtv-ctl, but that was replaced as the driver more closely adapted to the V4L standard |
| [20:56:00] | Slasher`: | ah i see |
| [20:56:11] | Slasher`: | well they all seem to just give a black screen |
| [20:56:18] | Slasher`: | i wonder if i've plugged it in properly |
| [20:59:32] | Slasher`: | well the tuner 1 works that's for sure |
| [20:59:39] | Slasher`: | so worst come to the worst i can go in via that i guess |
| [21:01:48] | Slasher`: | hmm wonder if the cable is dodgey |
| [21:01:52] | Slasher`: | lets try going via the tuner |
| [21:02:12] | Slasher`: | is there a way to tune the channel in for my digibox (if you get what i mean) |
| [21:02:42] | wagnerrp: | IR |
| [21:04:45] | Slasher`: | nah i mean like... im going to plug it in via the coax input |
| [21:05:08] | Slasher`: | but i need to tune that in, like on a normal tv you'd tune it to recognise it on channel 6 for example |
| [21:05:20] | Slasher`: | or channel 3 on a usa tv i think they use |
| [21:05:38] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'pretune' option, or something like that, for that purpose |
| [21:05:55] | wagnerrp: | where mythtv will set the tuner to a specific channel, and then use an external tuning script |
| [21:06:18] | Slasher`: | yeah that's the one |
| [21:06:23] | Slasher`: | i think anyway |
| [21:06:34] | Slasher`: | not sure how i'd find out which channel to use though |
| [21:08:16] | wagnerrp: | got any old machines lying around? |
| [21:08:24] | wagnerrp: | cases that you no longer care about? |
| [21:08:31] | Slasher`: | i can build one up from parts |
| [21:08:52] | wagnerrp: | maybe an internal digital audio cable or two? |
| [21:09:21] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, that white header on the board provides access to a second switched svideo port |
| [21:10:00] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, you could cut up some cables and make your own plug for it in a couple minutes |
| [21:10:31] | wagnerrp: | its going to be poorly shielded and likely wont yield great quality |
| [21:10:40] | wagnerrp: | but something to test if nothing else |
| [21:10:47] | Slasher`: | hmm not a bad idea |
| [21:13:34] | Slasher`: | it's annoying because i have a normal pci pvr-150 (not low profile) and that works flawlessly |
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| [21:13:40] | Slasher`: | but that's no good because it won't go in my case lol |
| [21:14:20] | Korny1: | sawzall? |
| [21:15:10] | Slasher`: | hmm? |
| [21:15:30] | wagnerrp: | he means, cut down the card to make it fit, or cut open the side of the case to slide it through |
| [21:15:31] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Think there might be a command line parser issue with mythfilldatabase |
| [21:15:40] | Korny1: | I failed to be funny |
| [21:15:43] | iamlindoro: | sourceutil.cpp calls it something like this: |
| [21:15:44] | Slasher`: | heh |
| [21:15:55] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --sourceid 36 --cardtype HDPVR |
| [21:15:59] | Slasher`: | the card can't be cut really lol and the case well i've thought of that to be hones |
| [21:16:00] | Slasher`: | t |
| [21:16:06] | iamlindoro: | which yields: |
| [21:16:07] | iamlindoro: | ERROR: --sourceid requires at least one of the following arguments |
| [21:16:08] | iamlindoro: | --file --dd-file --xawchannels |
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| [21:16:11] | Slasher`: | but i'd rather avoid it |
| [21:17:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: simple fix, just set sourceid as a child of only-update-channels |
| [21:17:01] | iamlindoro: | which means fetching channels from listings source may be broken in master right now |
| [21:17:18] | wagnerrp: | oh? might be why that guy was complaining last night |
| [21:17:25] | wagnerrp: | (presuming he was running trunk) |
| [21:17:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's the command line called when doing that |
| [21:17:47] | iamlindoro: | If it's as simple as that, I can fix |
| [21:18:25] | iamlindoro: | So how does one add those as a child? |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | only-update-channels doesn't appear to have children, so I just add it as the only one? |
| [21:19:12] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i was adding those kinds of things a bit blind |
| [21:19:37] | wagnerrp: | either add ->SetParentOf("sourceid") to onlyupdatechannels |
| [21:19:50] | wagnerrp: | or ->SetChildOf("onlupdatechannels") to sourceid |
| [21:20:03] | wagnerrp: | i assume onlyupdatechannels can be called without sourceid |
| [21:20:17] | wagnerrp: | if not, use a ->SetRequiredChildOf("onlyupdatechannels") |
| [21:20:33] | iamlindoro: | I did the former, it does seem better, hang on |
| [21:20:43] | iamlindoro: | (there's a ton of new code calling it, so I need to wait for all of it to finish up |
| [21:20:53] | wagnerrp: | you can chain those things like with a QString, so no need to store it to a variable |
| [21:21:45] | wagnerrp: | im headed out for an hour or two |
| [21:22:41] | iamlindoro: | I think the fix is right, hang on |
| [21:22:56] | iamlindoro: | well, don't hang on ;) |
| [21:22:58] | iamlindoro: | I'll be fine |
| [21:27:07] | Slasher`: | yay i got it working |
| [21:27:12] | Slasher`: | was my cable |
| [21:27:13] | Slasher`: | :/ |
| [21:27:21] | Slasher`: | now to get it working in mythtv |
| [21:29:40] | Slasher`: | Video input set to 1 (S-Video 1) |
| [21:29:45] | Slasher`: | so it's on that one for sure |
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| [21:33:19] | Slasher`: | yay done it |
| [21:33:24] | Slasher`: | thank you wagnerrp you legend |
| [21:33:32] | Slasher`: | and thank you to everyone else who's helped me in the past too |
| [21:34:00] | skd5aner: | ...wait for it............. ...dary |
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| [21:46:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I was just reading scrollback — this mod was done with just a dremel, file, and measuring over and over again... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/case_mod/ I moved the ports from the top to an 'open' 3.5" spot, and opened up a spot for the BluRay drive since the other 6 were taken by 5-to-3 HDD cages. ;-) |
| [21:47:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, and a drill too. ;-) |
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| [21:50:33] | ** Korny1 ponders why wireless access points cost more then wireless routers..... ** | |
| [21:50:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: And then there was my CD/DVD Duplicator project using an Antec Three Hundred case... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/projects/duplicator/ That one was easy as no front-bezel changes were needed, just internal stuff to mount the drives. ;-) |
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| [21:51:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Korny1: Just get a wireless router that you can flash openwrt on, and you'll have a good WAP. ;-) |
| [21:51:43] | Korny1: | I could do that too |
| [21:52:03] | jams: | so J-e-f-f-A was the dremal still in your hand an running when front_closeup was taken? |
| [21:52:17] | jams: | it's a bit blurry |
| [21:52:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: Hehehe... stupid cell phone pic. |
| [21:52:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: I didn't have my 'real' camera handy. |
| [21:52:32] | jams: | other then that it looks pretty good |
| [21:52:42] | jams: | oh man ..know that feeling |
| [21:52:58] | jams: | i have plenty of blurry cell phone pictures |
| [21:53:05] | jams: | lots of pictures of my finger as well |
| [21:53:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | But it's 8MP!!!! |
| [21:53:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... My old Kodak 4MP point-and-shoot takes pictures that are 100x better than this phone... |
| [21:54:05] | jams: | left index to be exact. it's such an exhibitionist, always has to be in the picture. |
| [21:54:52] | jams: | i beleive it..just like cell phones 10 years ago were better phones. In terms of voice quality and usability as phones |
| [21:55:27] | kormoc: | and bigger, slower, with longer charge times and smaller batteries |
| [21:56:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, true.... ;-) |
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| [21:57:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Back in the early 90's I had an analog Motoroloa Flip-phone Cellular. You could literally swap batteries mid-call, hit 'power' to turn the phone back on, and continue your conversation... (as long as you did it within about 10 seconds) |
| [21:57:35] | jams: | heh..when i was shopping for my current smart phone. I asked the sales guy how long the battery lasted. He said "I keep three phones on me at all times, I just rotate through them as the batteries runs out" |
| [21:57:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | HA!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! |
| [21:58:20] | kormoc: | my phone lasts around 3–5 days depending on usage for me |
| [21:58:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... Back in the Analog days – when the phone beeped to tell you it was going dead, you had about 30 seconds left before the phone shut off! |
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| [21:58:40] | kormoc: | my first cell phone, I had to charge every night without fail |
| [21:59:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | I always charged mine every night... My StarTac would last for 3 or 4 days on a single charge though — the Digital one anyways. ;-) That's why I kept it until it died (about 7 years!!!) |
| [21:59:40] | jams: | my current phone with all the bells and whistles turned off lasts about a day. Thats if I don't use it |
| [21:59:55] | kormoc: | jams, what is it? |
| [22:00:08] | jams: | samsung galaxy |
| [22:00:11] | kormoc: | huh |
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| [22:00:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: ouch. My work phone is an HTC Inspire 4G – barely lasts the day with light usage, so I keep a usb cable with me at work, and in my truck to keep it 'topped off'... |
| [22:00:36] | jams: | std battery.. I hear there is a bigger one for it, but haven't looked at it |
| [22:01:11] | kormoc: | I have an iPhone 4. I just sync it every few days and that keeps her charged up |
| [22:01:29] | jams: | nice |
| [22:01:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: you running the standard firmware, or one of the hacks from Cyanogenmod? |
| [22:01:38] | jams: | standard |
| [22:01:58] | jams: | i really dont' do much with my phone. It's there to take work phone calls and txts. Thats about it. |
| [22:02:10] | jams: | Long as it does that I don't mess with it. |
| [22:02:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: Ah, I have a "Droid 1" (Known as the "Milestone" overseas), and it runs MUCH better/longer battery life with Cyanogenmod on it (Gingerbread even!) |
| [22:02:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: Ah, so it's not your personal phone. |
| [22:02:43] | jams: | but I did have to change the task launcher, the one that shipped with it kept freezing and resetting everything |
| [22:02:55] | jams: | well it is my personal phone, but work pays for it |
| [22:03:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | cool. |
| [22:03:11] | jams: | if I move on, the phone goes with me |
| [22:03:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | The Galaxy line has a BEAUTIFUL AmoLED display... I can't wait to get a 60" version of that display tech for my house. ;-) |
| [22:03:30] | jams: | it's better then having two phones I barely use =) |
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| [22:04:37] | jams: | oh cyanogen does have a DL for my phone |
| [22:05:03] | jams: | bah no stable builds |
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| [22:05:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | I hear they hired one of their programmers to work at Samsung... Which is good news, as the quality of Samsung's flavor of Android isn't that good... |
| [22:05:44] | jams: | i know that now :) |
| [22:05:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | The exchange client, for example, just stops getting 'push' updates, and you have to switch it to 'check every 5 mins' mode... |
| [22:07:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | HTC seems to have their act together though, I've got no complaints about this Inspire 4G so far – other than the fact that it's on AT&T, which has HORRIBLE coverage in my area... "Fewest dropped calls" my *bleep*!!! |
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