| Sunday, September 18th, 2011, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:20] | stuartm: | so Valve are giving away Portal this weekend and since I never played it the first time around I decided the offer was too good to pass up ... I was expecting something harder/longer and more involving to be honest, it's a solid enough game and yes the character and humour was fun, but it was all over before I could become too involved to really care :/ |
| [00:04:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its only a 150min game or so |
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| [00:04:33] | wagnerrp: | actually, i was really pissed off in the beginning, thinking the test chambers were it and i would beat the game in under an hour |
| [00:05:11] | wagnerrp: | its a big problem with the second one (only ~6hrs IIRC) |
| [00:06:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye I was thinking the same, although it didn't feel like the back half of the game was as long as the test chamber portion, maybe because the learning curve was over |
| [00:07:06] | sphery: | Yeah, 2nd was much better--since it was longer and had solo and co-op modes--but still short. I've heard that development wise, it's about the same as any other game, though--puzzle games are much harder to design/test because. |
| [00:07:31] | sphery: | because you have to make them fair/solvable/challenging/... |
| [00:07:47] | stuartm: | the end song made me laugh, I briefly considered tracking down a copy for my mp3 player until I reasoned that I'd be sick of it _very_ quickly |
| [00:08:02] | sphery: | I guess the free portal is UK only, though--I still see it as $19.99 here |
| [00:08:29] | stuartm: | sphery: really? Could be I guess, I found out about it through The Register |
| [00:08:35] | sphery: | (not a problem since I have it on The Orange Box/XB360 plus I got it free on Steam some time ago.) |
| [00:09:00] | sphery: | guess the steam one was either when I bought Portal 2 or was some other giveaway |
| [00:10:08] | stuartm: | sphery: I guess it's also harder with a puzzle game like Portal to ensure that it's not possible to short-circuit the solution through an unforeseen use of the portals, that takes a lot of planning and testing |
| [00:11:31] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: there still is short cutting that takes place |
| [00:11:33] | stuartm: | anyhow, at least there are is challenges/advance level stuff to work through to add some longevity, I've got to get my money's worth ;) |
| [00:11:55] | wagnerrp: | in the first one, there are the challenge levels specifically to come up with shorter ways of doing it |
| [00:12:23] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ah, I haven't looked a challenge level yet |
| [00:12:23] | wagnerrp: | they basically set the different grades based on what playtesters were able to pull off |
| [00:12:39] | stuartm: | s/a/at a/ |
| [00:12:44] | wagnerrp: | and there were one or two that i came in a portal under the challenge |
| [00:23:14] | sphery: | ah, wonderful, wildfire breaking news in an old recording... the station decided to make the show a tiny 1/8th of the screen size, then do live picture of the fire at 1/4 screen size and have a huge background of blue "ruffling in the wind" material |
| [00:23:51] | Korny2: | sphery: what wildfire? |
| [00:24:01] | sphery: | gotta admit that I'm impressed they at least showed the show and left its audio in place--most of stations around here don't |
| [00:24:08] | sphery: | one from a long time ago--sometime last year |
| [00:24:20] | sphery: | they're relatively common here in FL |
| [00:24:45] | stuartm: | sphery: it really sucks when a 'breaking news' or overrun live event displaces a programme you were recording and you only discover that when you come to watch it days, weeks or months later, by which time it's too late to catch the repeat |
| [00:25:03] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:25:31] | sphery: | especially when you've already watched the first 3/4 of the show and you miss the end |
| [00:25:35] | stuartm: | thankfully it doesn't happen too often, but when it does ... |
| [00:26:14] | wizbit: | its also annoying when a show ends too early because date settings are wrong |
| [00:26:16] | sphery: | or, like what happened with The Polar Express, they keep breaking in for short breaks and then going back to the show (cutting out a little at a time), but you go through 10+ of those short breaks before you realize that they've cut out 90% of that half-hour section |
| [00:26:30] | sphery: | (I still wonder what ever happened at the end of that movie...) |
| [00:26:31] | stuartm: | wizbit: that's what ntp is for |
| [00:26:39] | wizbit: | aye i use that now |
| [00:26:52] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, ntp is very important on a mythtv box :) |
| [00:26:53] | wizbit: | and i set 5 minutes to record after the show |
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| [00:27:16] | wizbit: | i have 1 ntp server, and the frontends talk to it |
| [00:30:16] | wagnerrp: | actually, you have an ntp server running on each frontend |
| [00:30:29] | wizbit: | haha i was thinking that |
| [00:31:17] | wizbit: | the backend box speaks to outside time servers, the frontends sync with the backend box |
| [00:31:46] | sphery: | perhaps he has 1 level 3 ntp server and the frontends talk to it and become level 4 ntp servers |
| [00:31:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:32:25] | sphery: | er, "stratum" |
| [00:32:55] | wizbit: | drift |
| [00:33:59] | stuartm: | sounds fiddly, I just let mine correspond directly with the outside source |
| [00:34:43] | wizbit: | my frontends wouldnt start complaining about time was out, thats why i got ntp sorted out |
| [00:35:10] | sphery: | I do like wizbit and it works quite well |
| [00:35:26] | wizbit: | ? |
| [00:35:43] | sphery: | of course, I have 9 computers on my internal network, so having all of them hitting external servers is a waste |
| [00:35:52] | wizbit: | aye |
| [00:38:12] | wizbit: | mythtv has been running without any problems at all, and now its self sufficient :D |
| [00:41:02] | wagnerrp: | it buys and installs new hard drives when you run out of room? |
| [00:41:29] | wizbit: | i was wasting electricity by using my digital amp for tv and movies, now i use the internal tv speakers for tv, and my digital amp for movies and music only |
| [00:42:25] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: no it deletes old recordings, i dont need to do a thing |
| [00:42:53] | styelz: | yer still gunna die |
| [00:42:53] | sphery: | I'm trying to figure out how to get mine to watch them for me. |
| [00:42:59] | sphery: | that's the part that takes most of my time |
| [00:43:06] | wizbit: | haha |
| [00:43:53] | wizbit: | i dont watch that much, but its nice to know that my hard drive is full of pick of the days |
| [00:44:07] | wizbit: | and 5 star movies :D |
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| [02:14:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know what the purpose of --max-days is in mythfilldatabase? |
| [02:14:45] | wagnerrp: | i mean, i understand what it does... i just dont understand why we have it |
| [02:14:56] | sphery: | no idea |
| [02:15:00] | [R]: | i've used it many times |
| [02:15:06] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:15:19] | [R]: | to download like 1 or 2 days immediately |
| [02:15:33] | wagnerrp: | like... --refresh-today --refresh-tomorrow? |
| [02:15:40] | [R]: | lol, probably |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im thinking for now, i just remove the help text so people dont know the options exist, but it wont break things |
| [02:16:37] | sphery: | that works |
| [02:17:02] | sphery: | though it just means that it will delay the surprise/broken scripts until you actually remove them later |
| [02:17:37] | wagnerrp: | i can spam a warning, post a message to -dev |
| [02:18:17] | sphery: | either way |
| [02:18:47] | sphery: | I just don't think it's that bad to remove them right away |
| [02:19:14] | sphery: | but it's your call |
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| [02:34:54] | lowone: | hello! question hopefully i am just missing something painfully obvous!? mythtv .24.1 debian stable +debian multimedia... mceusb2 lirc: irw reports back all buttons fine, they match the lircrc for mythtv but no worky? is there some place I need to tell mythtvfrontend to use a remote/lircrc? |
| [02:35:19] | wagnerrp: | you edited the lircrc in ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [02:35:26] | lowone: | yes |
| [02:35:39] | lowone: | /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
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| [02:36:42] | lowone: | (where debian's automagiced mythtv users home directory is) |
| [02:36:43] | iamlindoro: | /var/lib/mythtv is highly unlikely to be the home directory for the user running the frontend |
| [02:37:31] | lowone: | root@mythtvout:~# cat /etc/passwd|grep mythtv |
| [02:37:31] | lowone: | mythtv:x:106:113::/var/lib/mythtv:/bin/sh |
| [02:37:34] | sphery: | some distros are setting system dirs, like that, up as HOME just so we have a real HOME dir |
| [02:37:56] | iamlindoro: | that is completely moronic |
| [02:38:01] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythfrontend as the user 'mythtv'? |
| [02:38:18] | ** wagnerrp agrees completely ** | |
| [02:38:19] | iamlindoro: | Which is par for the course with debian myth packages |
| [02:38:22] | sphery: | yeah, not sure why they don't use /home/mythtv |
| [02:38:33] | sphery: | and then put the server data in a system dir |
| [02:38:45] | lowone: | kdm + autologin as mythtv, autolaunch mythfrontend via kde's autostart |
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| [02:39:05] | iamlindoro: | anyway, the frontend logs will tell you what file it is loading, and if the file is valid |
| [02:39:28] | sphery: | also, check for a $HOME/.lircrc |
| [02:39:44] | sphery: | if it's not the same file (or is a link), it will cause problems |
| [02:39:45] | iamlindoro: | if it's loading the correct file, and reporting success, then your LIRC daemon socket doesn't match the one configured in mythtv |
| [02:40:00] | sphery: | I think we now look at ~/.lircrc first, then ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [02:40:00] | lowone: | i tried putting a copy there as there was none and no help |
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| [02:40:19] | iamlindoro: | again, check the logs |
| [02:40:21] | sphery: | but, yeah, frontend logs would be revealing |
| [02:41:06] | sphery: | should say something like: 2011-08–13 03:35:22.402 LIRC: Successfully initialized '/var/run/lirc/lircd' using '/home/mythtv/.lircrc' config |
| [02:41:08] | lowone: | do i need to enable logging for the front end? nothing obvous in /var/log |
| [02:41:16] | sphery: | if not, then it's not using lirc |
| [02:41:19] | iamlindoro: | run the frontend from a terminal |
| [02:45:17] | k-man: | iamlindoro, do you use mac homebrew on your OSX machines at all? |
| [02:45:21] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:46:08] | lowone: | LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' ! |
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| [02:46:19] | lowone: | thanks will go off and research this problem~ |
| [02:46:22] | iamlindoro: | So your daemon socket is misconfigured in myth |
| [02:46:29] | iamlindoro: | It's in general settings, in the FE |
| [02:46:36] | lowone: | ok |
| [02:48:11] | k-man: | is there a configure option that would turn off compiling of greedyhdeint |
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| [02:59:17] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [03:00:55] | lowone: | wooo! it works! thanks! first time to have a remote in mythtv ;) |
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| [03:02:06] | lowone: | i was running an anceint version with a keyboard up tell two day ago, now .24.1 with a hdhomerun prime, its neat and works well almost like the old pvr500 card worked perfectly before the digital cable nonsense! |
| [03:02:11] | lowone: | thanks again everyone! |
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| [03:27:51] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [03:27:52] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [03:29:30] | mattwj2002: | I can wait to get my cable card setup going |
| [03:29:31] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:30:43] | mattwj2002: | by the way wagnerrp and xris I switched my mythtv box to my quad core |
| [03:30:45] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:33:07] | xris: | cool. |
| [03:33:40] | mattwj2002: | xris I bet you can't wait until Tuesday ah? |
| [03:33:44] | xris: | mine's been quad core core2 for awhile.. the mobo in my main server is one hardware sub-revision away from supporting quad, so I couldn't use the discount proc I got |
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| [03:34:00] | xris: | well, I have firewire recorders now. not a huge difference. mostly a cost savings for me. |
| [03:34:09] | xris: | that and with a toddler, I don't really get to watch much tv, anyway. |
| [03:34:20] | mattwj2002: | got ya :) |
| [03:34:40] | mattwj2002: | you could be like my friend with a mythtv box |
| [03:34:58] | mattwj2002: | he records all of these PBS programs for his kid :) |
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| [03:45:05] | xris: | we do a lot of that |
| [03:45:17] | xris: | but there are only really 2–3 programs he's allowed to watch |
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| [03:46:38] | xris: | not that there's much else more for adults these days either mid-season crap + sub-par series. |
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| [03:49:27] | prologic: | Anyone successfully got this card to work ? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/477810/ ? |
| [03:49:45] | dewman: | yeah my mythtv box has pretty much become the kid box as well... |
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| [03:51:03] | prologic: | dewman, that wasn't to me was it ? :) |
| [03:51:27] | dewman: | prologic, no. |
| [03:51:30] | prologic: | kk :) |
| [03:51:46] | dewman: | =) |
| [03:52:21] | prologic: | I'm grabbing what I hope to be the latest drivers for this card |
| [03:52:22] | prologic: | git clone git://kernellabs.com/stoth/saa7164-stable.git |
| [03:52:31] | wagnerrp: | prologic: should work fine for digital |
| [03:52:34] | prologic: | but if anyone has this card and have it working, please speak up :) |
| [03:52:38] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, there was a bug in the driver for analog |
| [03:52:52] | prologic: | I'm only interested in digital so yeah ok :) |
| [03:53:16] | prologic: | I think this HVR2200 is dual digital anyway isn't it ? |
| [03:56:11] | wagnerrp: | dual hybrid, yes |
| [03:57:07] | prologic: | yeah |
| [03:57:21] | prologic: | we'll see how I go I guess |
| [03:57:40] | prologic: | I'm following this: http://www.pcmediacenter.com.au/forum/topic/4 . . . #entry321849 |
| [03:57:48] | prologic: | and using Mythbuntu |
| [04:02:24] | wagnerrp: | the digital drivers have been around since the 2.6.32 kernel or so |
| [04:02:29] | wagnerrp: | there should be no need to build them |
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| [04:06:30] | prologic: | hmm |
| [04:06:33] | prologic: | ok |
| [04:06:44] | prologic: | well the problem is the saa7164 driver isn't picking up my card |
| [04:06:56] | prologic: | I get (in dmesg): Your card isn't known ... |
| [04:07:13] | prologic: | tried several card=x options and it can't load the firmware |
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| [04:35:00] | lapion: | I have a mythtv setup with two tv cards, whenever I start tv playback on the first card there is no problem everything works fine through pulseaudio, however if I select the second tv-card, audio from the first card continues, how can I select any pulse device other the PulseAudio:default or alsa:pulse |
| [04:36:07] | wagnerrp: | uninstall pulseaudio, use alsa directly |
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| [04:46:54] | karl370: | I'm using mythbuntu 11.04 and am having trouble getting lirc working (specifically, the receiving portion is what I care about). I'm using a commandir III, and while using the command "mode2 -m --driver=commandir", I was able to see codes generated on the screen when I pressed buttons on my remote. However, when I try to run irw, I get "connect: No such file or directory". frontend log shows "LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to |
| [04:46:54] | karl370: | Unix socket '/dev/lircd'" & next line "eno: No such file or directory (2)". I'm not sure how to go about fixing this. Anybody have any ideas? |
| [04:48:24] | wagnerrp: | mode2 is only to capture IR codes to program the lircd.conf |
| [04:48:50] | wagnerrp: | you need to actually run lircd for applications to connect to |
| [04:49:54] | karl370: | When I run lircd I get "lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid |
| [04:49:54] | karl370: | lircd: No such file or directory" |
| [04:50:42] | karl370: | when I do a ls /dev/lirc* nothing shows up |
| [04:51:12] | wagnerrp: | your devices should show up as /dev/lirc<n> |
| [04:51:43] | wagnerrp: | they have to be there, or else mode2 would have had nothing to connect to |
| [04:54:16] | karl370: | it doesn't. When I run lircd -v it shows that I'm running lircd 0.8.7. I don't know what to say,..I did an apt-get install lirc. But ls /dev | grep lirc yields nothing |
| [04:55:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: the driver he selected may use libusb? |
| [04:55:57] | [R]: | karl370: irw requires a) a running lircd b) a properly configured lircd |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | libusb doesnt create dev nodes? |
| [04:57:04] | [R]: | no |
| [04:57:24] | [R]: | also, things like the devinput doesnt use /dev/lirc either |
| [04:59:19] | karl370: | How do I know lircd is running? It doesn't show up when I do a ps aux | grep lirc Does that mean it's not running? |
| [04:59:35] | [R]: | very good assumption |
| [04:59:36] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:00:40] | karl370: | when I do a /etc/init.d/lirc start I get * Loading LIRC modules [ OK ] |
| [05:00:40] | karl370: | * Unable to load LIRC kernel modules. Verify your |
| [05:00:40] | karl370: | * selected kernel modules in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [05:01:10] | [R]: | sounds like your hardware.conf is wrong |
| [05:02:32] | prologic: | hmm |
| [05:02:36] | prologic: | ok driver works |
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| [05:02:41] | prologic: | Video Sources – Channel Grabber |
| [05:02:47] | prologic: | being from AU, how do I go about this ? |
| [05:02:50] | prologic: | nothing seems obvious :) |
| [05:03:40] | [R]: | you should consult the xmltv documentation |
| [05:04:09] | prologic: | hmm |
| [05:06:25] | mishugana: | Hi there. I looked through the wiki a bit, myth tv hasnt found anything automatically, and since i found the computer im using in the trash, im unsure what model tv tuner it uses, or if what i think is a tv tuner is even a tv tuner... does anyeone here either, Know how to find out what kind of tv tuner my computer uses (if in fact it uses one) or can point me in the right direction |
| [05:07:08] | [R]: | lspci |
| [05:07:42] | wagnerrp: | run that command, copy the contents to pastebin.com, paste the link in here |
| [05:07:55] | dekarl: | prologic: Shepherd Guide for Installation with MythTV http://svn.whuffy.com/wiki/Installation and MythTVs AU listing guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings |
| [05:09:06] | prologic: | thanks! |
| [05:11:17] | mishugana: | thanks! http://pastebin.com/c6cz3RB4 |
| [05:12:15] | wagnerrp: | mishugana: this is a laptop? |
| [05:12:19] | karl370: | This is probably another dumb question, but in the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf file, should the REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF= line point to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ? |
| [05:12:37] | mishugana: | its an all in one moniter desktop. its a sony pcv v300g. the side of the computer has a spot for svideo rca and antenna. my only lspci guess would be SiS962. |
| [05:13:15] | [R]: | mishugana: what makes you think it has a tv tuner? |
| [05:13:44] | wagnerrp: | is that an RF antenna input? or something smaller, for wireless networking? |
| [05:13:49] | [R]: | karl370: you should consult your dists' and/or lircs' documentation |
| [05:15:20] | mishugana: | [R]:i think it has a tv tuner because ont he side of the moniter is a spot for rca svideo and antenna |
| [05:15:35] | mishugana: | wagnerrp: it looks like RF |
| [05:15:41] | [R]: | what does rf look like? |
| [05:15:51] | [R]: | do you see waves in the air? |
| [05:16:20] | mishugana: | haha |
| [05:16:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, amazon says thats a tuner |
| [05:16:46] | mishugana: | no, i just have experience with what an rf antenna looks like |
| [05:16:55] | mishugana: | i also tested out the size, and plugged in my rf antenna |
| [05:16:58] | wagnerrp: | could you add -vvvv to that command, and paste it again? |
| [05:17:10] | mishugana: | sure, again, thanks for the help |
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| [05:18:50] | [R]: | Giga Pocket MPEG2 Realtime Encoder Board with TV Tuner |
| [05:20:00] | prologic: | hmm ok so I've got the EIT grabber setup ok and am scanning a few channels |
| [05:20:07] | prologic: | quite a few are coming up as "Timed out" though |
| [05:20:13] | prologic: | poor signal or something else ? |
| [05:20:29] | [R]: | its channel you are positive you get? |
| [05:20:31] | mishugana: | http://pastebin.com/PP6MFE76 |
| [05:20:41] | [R]: | are any coming in? |
| [05:21:06] | prologic: | some are coming in yeah |
| [05:21:11] | prologic: | others are "Timed out – no signal" |
| [05:21:32] | prologic: | founds 17 new non-conflicting DVB chnanels |
| [05:21:36] | [R]: | mishugana: try lsusb |
| [05:21:49] | dekarl: | wagnerrp, sphery: how do mfdb and the grabber talk about that number of days available? atm I have my site configured to "provide what mythtv likes" but I'm thinking about upping that wo 4 weeks because that's max(starttime)-now() for EIT over here. On the other hand someone might to limit the number of days because they use a slow web scraper. |
| [05:22:51] | mishugana: | http://pastebin.com/svBtYV2Q |
| [05:23:24] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: im saying they should specify the days they want directly |
| [05:23:55] | wagnerrp: | and get rid of 'max-days', which really doesnt say what days to use, i assume linearly from tomorrow |
| [05:24:26] | [R]: | yeah, dont see antying there that would be a tuner either |
| [05:24:28] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: directly == in the backend setup? |
| [05:24:35] | [R]: | what about dmesg? |
| [05:25:00] | wagnerrp: | directly meaning... '--refresh=1–10', refreshing the next ten days |
| [05:25:01] | dekarl: | I'm just looking at the code what mfdb does. especially with "allatonce" |
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| [05:25:24] | wagnerrp: | or '--refresh today --refresh 14' |
| [05:25:28] | mishugana: | the only thing that i thought /might/ be a tv tuner would be SiS962 |
| [05:25:30] | wagnerrp: | the schedules direct default |
| [05:25:34] | dekarl: | web scrapers should just die. Then theres no need for such workarounds |
| [05:26:09] | mishugana: | but i could be so wrong, considering i know next to knothing about this stuff. |
| [05:26:19] | mishugana: | *nothing |
| [05:27:44] | dekarl: | the mfdb defaults were (up until like 3 weeks ago) grab the day after tomorrow, every day where there is less data then the day before until you get no data anymore if I understand correclty. Which wasn't that great for last day changes... |
| [05:28:14] | [R]: | mishugana: try lspci -n |
| [05:32:29] | mishugana: | http://pastebin.com/cQM889h2 |
| [05:33:15] | prologic: | btw, anyone nkow how to make the mythtvfronend fit in the screen properly ? |
| [05:33:19] | prologic: | parts of it are off the edge |
| [05:33:41] | [R]: | theres a thing in the settings |
| [05:34:07] | prologic: | called ? |
| [05:34:17] | prologic: | I've looked and not found anything that fixes it |
| [05:34:28] | prologic: | I've got this plugged into a 50" plasma with a HDMI input |
| [05:34:47] | [R]: | screen settings or something |
| [05:34:50] | [R]: | mishugana: well if that is the device |
| [05:34:56] | [R]: | mishugana: i cant' find anyting useful on it |
| [05:36:33] | mishugana: | :/ well thank you for trying |
| [05:36:45] | mishugana: | i also have been lookin for a while. sucks to have sony i guess |
| [05:38:12] | wagnerrp: | mishugana: the #linuxtv folks may have a better idea what to look for |
| [05:38:23] | dekarl: | prologic: try your tv's settings first. something like "PC Mode" or overscan related |
| [05:38:32] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, its entirely possible whatever you dug out of the trash physically doesnt have the tuner card |
| [05:38:48] | wagnerrp: | you may want to pry the thing open and check if those inputs are actually connected to anything |
| [05:38:51] | lowone: | unrelatedish question~ now that I have a remote working.. is there any good "universal remote' that supports mceremote commands so i can control everything from a single universal remote? |
| [05:38:55] | [R]: | thats sneaky |
| [05:39:56] | xris: | lowone: harmony 1 |
| [05:40:44] | mishugana: | i actually didnt get it from the trashiest of trashes. i got it from a friend who got it from supposedly some part of my universities psych department. |
| [05:41:30] | mishugana: | they had taken the hard drive out from it. but i dont think they can even remove the tv tuner from it. like from the monitor part |
| [05:41:56] | wagnerrp: | more likely the university ordered a model that simply didnt come with the tuner card |
| [05:42:08] | wagnerrp: | i would expect the tuner card isnt integrated with the system |
| [05:42:15] | wagnerrp: | but rather is slotted into a mini-pci slot |
| [05:43:17] | mishugana: | hm. that is a good point |
| [05:43:20] | prologic: | hmm |
| [05:43:32] | prologic: | ok I've seen "Screen Settings" but I can't make that work for some reason |
| [05:43:36] | prologic: | I have 2 other problems |
| [05:43:42] | prologic: | no remote working |
| [05:43:44] | prologic: | and no sound |
| [05:44:11] | wagnerrp: | mishugana: also note that even should it come with that tuner card, it is only an analog card |
| [05:44:23] | wagnerrp: | and comcast in your area likely doesnt broadcast analog any longer |
| [05:45:39] | wagnerrp: | if you were instead expecting to connect it to an antenna and use the local stations, it certainly wont be any good for that |
| [05:47:22] | mishugana: | oh, well i dont know if this would work... |
| [05:47:52] | mishugana: | but i dont get comcast... and i have a magnavox dtv converter |
| [05:48:14] | mishugana: | because my current "box" is a regular tv that only gets analog too |
| [05:48:15] | wagnerrp: | well you have comcast internet |
| [05:48:33] | mishugana: | yeah but its not mine. its my neighbors. |
| [05:49:17] | mishugana: | its WPA2 wifi. and they are cool with me using it and gave me the password |
| [05:49:23] | wagnerrp: | its a 2.8GHz netburst celeron... so that should be fast enough to do the broadcast HD mpeg2 |
| [05:49:37] | wagnerrp: | should you want to buy an external tuner like an HDHomeRun |
| [05:50:25] | mishugana: | hm.... |
| [05:52:12] | xris: | ah, if only I could get broadcast tv.. stupid geography (hill) |
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| [05:55:40] | lowone: | harmony 1 is pricey! would a 700 or 650 work the same? (refurbished 700 being same cost as 650) i have only a few things to control, tv,dvd,recever,mythtv |
| [05:57:18] | wagnerrp: | hey all work exactly the same |
| [05:57:25] | wagnerrp: | (except for those that support RF) |
| [05:57:38] | wagnerrp: | its just a function of how many buttons, and the layout |
| [05:58:10] | xris: | wagnerrp: actually, their low-end ones work like more traditional universal remotes.. had my parents get one, was very disappointed. |
| [05:58:36] | xris: | no scripted stuff like a "watch tv" button that turns on tv to a specific input, etc. |
| [05:59:03] | wagnerrp: | thats crappy |
| [05:59:21] | xris: | that's what you get for $40ish |
| [05:59:39] | xris: | lowone: the One goes on sale for $100–125 at times, but if that's expensive, then yeah, go for one of the others. |
| [06:01:10] | xris: | check logitech.com for the "activity-based" stuff. |
| [06:01:16] | xris: | the 300i is *not* recommend |
| [06:01:47] | wagnerrp: | i actually picked up a pair of 880s for $75 each |
| [06:02:24] | xris: | yeah, the earlier models still work great. |
| [06:02:29] | xris: | I love my One.. but it was free. :) |
| [06:02:47] | wagnerrp: | came with the revue? |
| [06:03:25] | xris: | nah, bzzagent.com campaign thing from years ago |
| [06:03:41] | xris: | back when I had friends to talk about product stuff with. |
| [06:05:11] | xris: | and back when it was small and companies gave them really good stuff to give away |
| [06:05:12] | wagnerrp: | you like the shape of it? |
| [06:05:41] | wagnerrp: | personally, i preferred the older 7/8-series design |
| [06:05:48] | wagnerrp: | but ive never actually held one of the new series |
| [06:06:54] | xris: | yeah, shape is one of the better parts imho |
| [06:07:14] | xris: | but I really don't use it that much. one button sets it to mythtv, then I'm using a keyboard |
| [06:07:44] | xris: | and it's still a little awkward with the ps3 so half the time we watch a dvd we still end up using the ps3 controller |
| [06:08:50] | wagnerrp: | you have one of those ir/bt adapters? |
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| [06:17:12] | mishugana: | i thought about getting a harmony. but then i decided to to explore making my cell phone into a remote |
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| [06:18:54] | wagnerrp: | but then you have no buttons |
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| [06:22:45] | mishugana: | what do you mean? i have infinity buttons |
| [06:23:08] | mishugana: | you mean like physical buttons? |
| [06:24:11] | mishugana: | ha, i mean, i could open up an old remote control and make it plugin to my cell phone |
| [06:24:17] | wagnerrp: | yes, buttons that you can press without having to look down and see what youre hitting |
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| [06:43:33] | prologic: | hmm guys, got sound working on the os, but not in mythtv itself |
| [06:43:40] | prologic: | running speaker-test works just fine |
| [06:43:48] | prologic: | can't adjust volume either in Live TV |
| [06:44:04] | [R]: | configure the audio settings properly |
| [06:44:06] | wagnerrp: | how are you connecting audio to your tv? |
| [06:44:30] | prologic: | audio is going to a 5.1 surround sound system and amp |
| [06:44:31] | mishugana: | yeah hm. i could make a simple physical remote plug for my android by having it come into the mic on my phone, or i could spend a few hours on making it convert to usb and then having that interface to my phone. but it would still be as good as harmony in theory and much cheaper |
| [06:44:33] | prologic: | SPDIFF |
| [06:44:42] | mishugana: | but harmony is pretty awesome i agree |
| [06:44:56] | prologic: | so configure audio in the backend ? |
| [06:45:03] | prologic: | or frontend ? |
| [06:45:03] | wagnerrp: | prologic: meaning digital passthrough? |
| [06:47:36] | prologic: | where do I configure the audio proeprly ? |
| [06:48:35] | wagnerrp: | prologic: if you are doing passthrough audio, then by very definition of the term, you cannot control audio |
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| [06:48:54] | prologic: | nevermind |
| [06:48:55] | prologic: | found it :) |
| [06:48:56] | prologic: | d'uh |
| [06:48:56] | wagnerrp: | if you pass it through to the output device unaltered, you cannot possible change the volume on it |
| [06:50:56] | prologic: | cool |
| [06:50:58] | prologic: | sound work :) |
| [06:55:26] | mishugana: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0 . . . p;sort=price |
| [06:55:36] | mishugana: | are any of these not crap? |
| [06:57:44] | xris: | mishugana: what kind of tv do you want to receive (antenna?), and what's your budget? |
| [06:58:05] | xris: | iirc there's a list of people's general recommended hardware on the wiki |
| [06:58:11] | wagnerrp: | you have a PCI slot in that thing? |
| [06:59:25] | mishugana: | i do have a pci slot on that thing. but the truth is it might not even work/ might just be for show |
| [06:59:55] | mishugana: | i just want to receive antenna. i have some kind of dtv convert to antenna thing that i use for my analog tv right now. |
| [06:59:58] | xris: | hdhr generally gets my vote of recommendation |
| [07:00:20] | mishugana: | i am dont really care about quality either, and id go with the absolute cheapest thing that works at all |
| [07:00:25] | xris: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345007 |
| [07:00:49] | xris: | digital is going to all be the same quality.. it just takes the mpeg data from the air and stores it on disk |
| [07:00:55] | xris: | and unfortunately, not so cheap either. |
| [07:01:11] | xris: | if you want to plug into your existing converter, there might be some cheaper options. |
| [07:02:19] | xris: | wonder if you can still get a pvr-150 anywhere |
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| [07:02:40] | xris: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150 . . . 7&sr=8-1 |
| [07:02:46] | xris: | looks like there are some used ones |
| [07:02:54] | xris: | but… would take a working pci slot. |
| [07:03:00] | mishugana: | yeah i got the converter for free when all the tv went digital |
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| [07:04:57] | mishugana: | but this thing? http://www.amazon.com/EasyCap-DC60-Capture-Ad . . . &sr=1-68 |
| [07:05:11] | mishugana: | does it do anything? |
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| [07:07:20] | xris: | probably. but you might have to do some research to figure out if it works in linux |
| [07:10:34] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: 3dtv? for shame... |
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| [07:12:25] | mishugana: | yeah ive been doing some research on that |
| [07:12:39] | mishugana: | alright its a bit past my bed time |
| [07:12:48] | mishugana: | i need to wake up in a few hours to do work |
| [07:13:01] | mishugana: | setting up home theatre has been a lot of fun though |
| [07:13:20] | mishugana: | funds are kinda low, but still able to do a lot of things. |
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| [07:27:09] | Gumby: | can anyone tell me what might happen at the top of each how that would cause livetv to stutter, pause and sometimes even stop completely? |
| [07:28:00] | Gumby: | how/hour |
| [07:36:42] | xris: | cron job? |
| [07:39:28] | wagnerrp: | program change? |
| [07:41:48] | Gumby: | no cron jobs.... |
| [07:41:55] | Gumby: | what do you mean by "program change"? |
| [07:42:27] | Gumby: | this happens when I am watching livetv whether the program is mid program or whether the program is changing to the next ono |
| [07:44:33] | Gumby: | I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but I have a rather large amount of channels as I have 4 different satellites set up |
| [07:44:49] | xris: | you sure it's mythtv? |
| [07:46:03] | Gumby: | I'm not 100% sure, but I can't see anything else causing it. Its always been a problem for me. My current setup is debian stable on my FE and BE both minimal installs and mythtv build from current git as of last week |
| [07:46:59] | Gumby: | I'll watch the log files again in the next 15 mins to see if I can see anything |
| [07:49:18] | Gumby: | I've just usually dealt with it by ignoring it. But since I started fresh with my myth install last week sometimes it totally kills livetv which is definitely more annoying |
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| [07:59:38] | prologic: | btw how do I go about configuring and setting up a remote ? |
| [07:59:52] | prologic: | I'm using a serial irc reciever and lircd is running |
| [08:04:11] | Gumby: | hrm, I guess maybe it is because the channel is re-tuned when there is a program change. But I am pretty sure that it happens even mid program when a program goes from say 8:30–9:30. I'll have to be more observant and jot down when it happens and make sure to save log files during those times |
| [08:04:49] | Gumby: | Would mythtv benefit at all from an SSD hard drive? (other than system boot times) |
| [08:06:03] | prologic: | no not really |
| [08:06:07] | prologic: | other than boot times :) |
| [08:06:14] | prologic: | I have an SSD boot drive myself |
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| [08:16:37] | wagnerrp: | the database will benefit considerably |
| [08:17:48] | Gumby: | my db is on a separate PC at the moment. Just testing it out. Wondering if I'll see any negative impact |
| [08:18:08] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: yeah 3dtv signalling ;) Was looking at the specs lately for missing ids when some Freeview user hinted that he gets only 3/4 channels with HD flag via EIT. |
| [08:19:22] | wagnerrp: | so the assumption is that anything 3d will be hd? |
| [08:19:25] | dekarl: | but it's likely completely unrelated (educated guess until he's back with some logs from dvbsnoop or similar) |
| [08:19:59] | ** wagnerrp goes to bed ** | |
| [08:20:05] | dekarl: | no, the spec says that H.264 AVC frame compatible 3D is always Widescreen and HD. Nothing about other kinds of 3d |
| [08:21:35] | dekarl: | the 4 id's are just for that one use case. (1 bit side by side vs. top/bottom, 1 bit 25Hz vs 30Hz => 4 new ids) |
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| [09:30:09] | prologic: | hmm ok |
| [09:30:23] | prologic: | I have an apple remote working – testing with irw, recorded it's keys, etc |
| [09:30:31] | prologic: | can't get it to work with the mythtv frontend though |
| [09:30:44] | prologic: | set the lirc socket path to the right path /var/run/lirc/lircd |
| [09:59:18] | prologic: | what am I missing here ? |
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| [10:36:03] | _fjh_: | Hi, I would like to ass a single channel to my DVB-S mythtv setup. How do I do that? If I do a 'import channels.conf' will my old channels be overwritten? |
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| [10:59:22] | prologic: | hey all |
| [10:59:39] | prologic: | what causes interference on digital channels ? |
| [10:59:42] | prologic: | poor signal ? |
| [10:59:48] | prologic: | hard to describe what happens |
| [11:04:29] | stuartm: | prologic: poor signal generally |
| [11:05:07] | stuartm: | local interference can sometimes be a factor but it's not as common |
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| [11:32:41] | k-man: | as controvercial as it may sound, I believe that there is a problem with compiling mythtv on OSX Lion. unfortunately I don't have an instalation of OSX that's older to test to compare |
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| [11:59:34] | dekarl: | _fjh_ I would try it as follows... add the one transponder that carries the channel manually and scan only that transponder. Then hide the unwanted new channels afterwards. |
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| [12:11:01] | _fjh_: | dekarl: I have the following info "N-JOY 12,266 H" and transponder 93 and it is not quite clear to me how this translates into the transponder definition of mythtv-setup. I have there four number like 10743000 Hz (22000000) (0) (1051). |
| [12:19:22] | dekarl: | _fjh_ I don't know all the DVB-S fields, but lets see frequency would be 12266000 kHz, polarity horizontal, original_network_id=1, transport_id=1093 |
| [12:20:47] | dekarl: | symbolrate=27500000 and and FEC=3/4 (from lyngsat) |
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| [12:22:39] | dekarl: | _fjh_ if you have BR-Alpha or SR-Fernsehen in your channels, then a simple rescan with tv+radio of that transport will add all radio channels |
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| [12:24:26] | dekarl: | you want to rescan the transponder called 12266000000 Hz (0) (1) (1093) or similar |
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| [12:28:26] | prologic: | stuartm, is there any definitive way of measuring the signal strength and noise on channels over time ? |
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| [12:43:53] | stuartm: | prologic: femon – particularly looking at the unc and ber for errors, unc is a count of the number of uncorrectable errors in the stream, ideally it should remain zero |
| [12:44:07] | stuartm: | ber is the error rate |
| [12:44:37] | prologic: | where do you see this info ? |
| [12:47:58] | stuartm: | run "femon /dev/dvb/adapter0" at the command line |
| [12:50:01] | prologic: | ta |
| [12:56:36] | prologic: | status SCVYL | signal f9f9 | snr 009b | ber 00365a19 | unc 000003a9 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:56:47] | prologic: | I guess that's pretty bad huh ? |
| [12:58:07] | prologic: | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/477940/ |
| [12:59:27] | stuartm: | prologic: it's not good, what type of aerial are you using? |
| [12:59:45] | prologic: | tbh I have no idea |
| [12:59:45] | stuartm: | or antenna as they call it in the US |
| [12:59:56] | prologic: | I just bought this place a few weeks ago, and I haven't had a change to get up on the roof yet :) |
| [13:00:09] | prologic: | and I'm from AU |
| [13:00:27] | prologic: | I guess I could call an antenna repair man |
| [13:00:30] | prologic: | what do I tell them ? |
| [13:00:38] | prologic: | singla is sh*t ? :) |
| [13:00:40] | stuartm: | prologic: it could just need re-pointing or you might also need to replace it with a better wideband one |
| [13:00:54] | prologic: | *nods* |
| [13:01:04] | prologic: | well in any case appreciate the femon tip :) |
| [13:01:15] | prologic: | nice ot know it all "just works" |
| [13:01:35] | stuartm: | prologic: DVB aerials have different requirements to the old analogue ones, the signal characteristics are different |
| [13:01:48] | prologic: | *nods* |
| [13:02:04] | prologic: | also btw, is there a particular kind of remote you guys would recommend using with mythtv ? |
| [13:02:18] | prologic: | I programmed up an apple tv remote, but it has too few buttons :) |
| [13:02:40] | _fjh_: | dekarl: Thank you very much, I have now my new channel and only 63 extra! |
| [13:03:01] | stuartm: | Do you have a TV or STB capable of receiving DVB? Something you can double check with? It's not unheard of for tuner hardware to just be very poor at reception or even for them to introduce interference |
| [13:03:37] | dekarl: | _fjh_ well, it's quite a bunch of radio channels that fit into one satelite transponder :) |
| [13:03:53] | prologic: | stuartm, I do – the plasma display I'm using |
| [13:04:13] | stuartm: | prologic: fwiw, what I'm talking about is true in the UK, I've no idea what sort of aerials are installed historically in Australia |
| [13:04:25] | prologic: | -but- the plasma also doesn't pick up *some* channels either |
| [13:04:43] | k-man: | prologic, where abouts in AU are you? |
| [13:04:51] | prologic: | Brisbane |
| [13:04:56] | stuartm: | prologic: ok, sounds like you'd want to check the aerial checked |
| [13:05:07] | prologic: | kk |
| [13:05:19] | stuartm: | btw, what tuner have you got? |
| [13:05:26] | k-man: | its worth asking them before they come, if they will work with you to get your tuner device working |
| [13:05:31] | prologic: | I'm leaning towards the antenna – simply because some channels are "perfect" |
| [13:05:37] | prologic: | whilest others are pretty bad |
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| [13:06:15] | k-man: | some of them are like "if it works on a humax, then its your equipment thats the problem" and won't work with you to resolve it (in my experience) |
| [13:06:31] | k-man: | maybe it wasn't humax, I can't remember the specific brand they suggested |
| [13:07:08] | stuartm: | cards such as the Nova-T 500 have onboard low-noise amplifiers which aren't switched on by default, so you need to pass a parameter to the kernel module |
| [13:07:20] | k-man: | prologic, also, lost of installers use the lower quality cable between the antena and the wall socket, which can allow inteference to get into the line |
| [13:07:54] | prologic: | the particular card I'm using is the Haupppauge HVR-2200 |
| [13:08:03] | prologic: | saa7164 driver (card=4) |
| [13:08:23] | prologic: | not terribly sure of any other capabilities it has (other than dual hybrid tuners) :) |
| [13:08:33] | prologic: | wasn't able to get PIP working though |
| [13:09:50] | stuartm: | k-man: eww, when I had mine replaced the guy used top quality shielded cable |
| [13:11:10] | stuartm: | although I get very good reception here, even the second loft aerial I installed works well |
| [13:11:31] | k-man: | stuartm, yeah, you just have to be careful is all I'm saying |
| [13:11:42] | k-man: | as there are shonky opperators out there |
| [13:12:04] | k-man: | and they don't care about your mythtv setup, all they care about is if their STB works, in their mind the job is done |
| [13:12:54] | k-man: | I can't remeber the term for the fully shielded cable |
| [13:13:19] | k-man: | quad shield? is that what they call it? |
| [13:13:31] | stuartm: | right, there are plenty of cowboys here too, I guess I just chose the right firm :) |
| [13:13:51] | stuartm: | I've not come across that term |
| [13:14:32] | stuartm: | doesn't mean it's not the right one though :) |
| [13:19:25] | k-man: | my experience was at my old house wich was rented |
| [13:19:35] | k-man: | and the owner would only pay for the cheapest |
| [13:19:41] | k-man: | so.. I had not choice that time |
| [13:20:19] | k-man: | yeah, I think it is RG6 Quad shielded cable |
| [13:20:56] | k-man: | thats the good stuff- the cheaper stuff has less shielding so can allow other signals to creep in if the run is long (or close to noise sources) |
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| [13:22:47] | k-man: | oh, I think I worked out my compiler issue on OSX – xcode uses clang by default |
| [13:22:53] | k-man: | or llvm |
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| [13:23:18] | k-man: | now I have a new problem – but at least I have gotten past the old compile error |
| [13:25:13] | k-man: | stuartm, how do I resolve a compile issue like this one: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . _flat#487517 |
| [13:25:20] | k-man: | any idea? |
| [13:26:13] | stuartm: | install qt3-support |
| [13:26:31] | stuartm: | it's an official QT4 component |
| [13:26:45] | k-man: | stuartm, ah, thanks for the pointer |
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| [16:36:28] | passstab: | hi |
| [16:37:10] | passstab: | can i use myth with dish network? |
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| [16:40:44] | skd5aner: | passstab: yup, through the analog outputs on the back of the dish stb |
| [16:41:04] | Korny2: | Sure...... either HD PVR for HD or various other capture cards for SD |
| [16:41:13] | skd5aner: | component – HD-PVR or RCA/svideo through other SD capture cards |
| [16:41:44] | skd5aner: | and then using an IR blaster or some other mechanism (serial/usb) to control channel changes on the STB |
| [16:43:28] | passstab: | thanks |
| [16:47:58] | passstab: | so all of the analoge cards should work |
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| [16:49:35] | wagnerrp: | no, all of the analog cards with linux drivers should work |
| [16:49:46] | wagnerrp: | but... you should stick to hardware encoders all the same |
| [16:50:07] | wagnerrp: | for standard definition, youre looking at an old PVR-150/500, or a new HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 |
| [16:50:19] | wagnerrp: | for high definition, the HD-PVR, as mentioned earlier |
| [16:51:06] | passstab: | trying to be cheep probly standerd def |
| [16:51:34] | wagnerrp: | if you want cheap, pick up an old PVR-150 on ebay |
| [16:51:58] | passstab: | thay look good |
| [16:52:07] | Korny2: | They are a PCI card right? |
| [16:52:18] | passstab: | looks like |
| [16:52:43] | wagnerrp: | the -150, -500, and -1600 are all PCI |
| [16:52:46] | wagnerrp: | the -2250 is a PCIe |
| [16:53:39] | passstab: | i don't have the box yet but it will probly be pci |
| [16:53:49] | Korny2: | wagnerrp: if I wanted to get a HDPVR for non copy freely channels would I just use the same guide data but just eliminate all channels that I know are copy freely? And then on the prime just eliminate all channels that aren't copy freely? |
| [16:55:32] | Korny2: | Then again don't they change the flag sometimes for different programs? |
| [16:56:38] | passstab: | any sugestions on the box itself? |
| [16:57:32] | wagnerrp: | i want to say you would use two independent video sources, since you have two separate lineups |
| [16:57:39] | wagnerrp: | but im not entirely certain how to best set that up |
| [16:58:05] | wagnerrp: | passstab: something relatively modern, any Athlon II, Core2, or Core i3, dual core or better |
| [16:58:35] | Korny2: | What would be cool is if there was a way to detect if a recording was flagged no copy, and forward it to the correct tuner :P |
| [16:59:01] | Korny2: | And on a more annoying topic when did the HDPVRs get back upto 200 bucks again :/ |
| [16:59:02] | passstab: | even wiht a seprate frontend? |
| [16:59:54] | passstab: | *with |
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| [17:01:45] | bruderbell: | I am running ubuntu 11.04 and mythtv 24.0. Is there a good guide out there to help me update to 24.1? |
| [17:02:51] | wagnerrp: | just enable the ppa, and update |
| [17:02:54] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing to it |
| [17:03:04] | wagnerrp: | there were no protocol or schema changes |
| [17:03:19] | wagnerrp: | its just a simple name change for the benefit of packagers who like to keep to release versions |
| [17:04:26] | bruderbell: | In my ubuntu software center it lists my version as 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110416.9ba3ece-0ubuntu1 (mythtv). Should it not show as 24.1? |
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| [17:07:04] | wagnerrp: | no, because youve never updated it from the version that came with the 11.04 release |
| [17:09:09] | bruderbell: | I'm following this page: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos and selected it to install repos for 24.x |
| [17:09:33] | bruderbell: | Not sure if that is right |
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| [17:13:49] | passstab: | i'm sorry but i missed the answer to my question (if there was one) |
| [17:15:06] | passstab: | do i need something reativly modern if i plan to have a seprate frontend |
| [17:15:23] | wagnerrp: | passstab: yes, both the frontend and backend need moderate amounts of power |
| [17:15:32] | wagnerrp: | the backend needs it for scheduling, commflagging, and other needs |
| [17:15:37] | passstab: | thanks alot |
| [17:15:40] | wagnerrp: | the frontend needs it for decoding |
| [17:15:41] | passstab: | b |
| [17:16:08] | passstab: | i plant to use a recent mac |
| [17:16:16] | passstab: | pro |
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| [17:17:13] | passstab: | by thanks for the help |
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| [17:17:23] | wagnerrp: | any of the core2 or better macs should be fine |
| [17:18:58] | bruderbell: | Ah hah. I got it. Thanks wagnerrp |
| [17:19:13] | bruderbell: | I'm now showing 2:0.24.1+fixes.20110911.8f865a6–0ubuntu0mythbuntu3 (mythtv) |
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| [17:33:31] | russell5: | so i have a tv show i wanted to archive to dvd. i did a transcode to edit the commercials and now i can get mytharchive to work. it errors out on the ffmepg command |
| [17:33:39] | russell5: | mytharchive worked before i trancosded it |
| [17:34:22] | russell5: | and when i go to add it to the dvd it says its over 1tb file size |
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| [17:41:26] | tank-man: | russell5, i suggest reading the error message, also dvds can not hold 1tb of data |
| [17:42:12] | Korny2: | wishful thinking :/ |
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| [17:44:03] | russell5: | lol i know that. the file size is really only 811mb |
| [17:44:24] | russell5: | and i see these in the logs FIFOW: write failed with Broken pipe |
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| [19:09:01] | iamlindoro: | More fun, http://www.fecitfacta.com/macsetup.png |
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| [19:10:34] | Korny2: | SO I moved one of my recordings to another drive thats in my storage pool but its not showing up... |
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| [19:11:39] | wagnerrp: | the recording is in a path marked in the same storage group on the same host? |
| [19:12:23] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you showed that once before, im not really sure what im looking at |
| [19:12:31] | Korny2: | All my pool drives are /mnt/seagate1/mythrecord |
| [19:12:43] | Korny2: | through /mnt/seagate6/mythrecord |
| [19:12:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: One-click setup of a backend on OS X, and this is a much newer iteration |
| [19:12:58] | Korny2: | in boht live and default |
| [19:13:02] | iamlindoro: | all setup done through the Services API |
| [19:13:57] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: the only reason to set folders for the livetv group is if you specifically want it somewhere other than your default folders |
| [19:13:59] | iamlindoro: | Config tool gets paired with an installer package I built, installs mythbackend, installs MySQL, sets up a DB, sets permissions, sets up daemon services, all with one click of install |
| [19:14:25] | Korny2: | 1–4 are seagate 1.5's, 5–6 are 2.0TB that are fully accessible |
| [19:14:39] | iamlindoro: | Then the config tool detects all HDHRs on the network, detects any configured SGs, or selects sensible defaults, takes an SD login, and with one click sets up a working recording configuration |
| [19:15:00] | iamlindoro: | The result being a working MythTV backend setup on OS X with literally two clicks |
| [19:15:29] | Korny2: | iamlindoro: is that a good or bad thing, if things get so automated people won't know how to trouble shoot at all :/ |
| [19:15:42] | iamlindoro: | People don't know how to troubleshoot at all to begin with |
| [19:16:17] | wagnerrp: | this is for your installation jobs? |
| [19:16:41] | iamlindoro: | No, it's just for fun |
| [19:16:46] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:17:02] | iamlindoro: | So that at least on OS X, one can set up a Myth system (given the right hardware) with no fuss |
| [19:17:18] | iamlindoro: | And if it benefits me in less work an more jobs, I can live with that too ;) |
| [19:18:52] | iamlindoro: | Not bad for sitting down to learn XCode Friday night |
| [19:19:04] | iamlindoro: | That said, Objective C has truly painful syntax in some ways |
| [19:19:10] | iamlindoro: | It's C in name only |
| [19:19:26] | [R]: | what you talkin about |
| [19:19:27] | [R]: | its fun! |
| [19:19:31] | wagnerrp: | after that bit of configuration hate earlier this week on the mailing list, im wondering just what it would take to get proper hardware autodetection |
| [19:19:54] | iamlindoro: | On Linux, a lot, but it is still one of the goals of web setup... at least as far as I'm concerned |
| [19:20:09] | wagnerrp: | i know as it stands, all the various analog captures just enumerate /dev/video<n> and /dev/v4l/video<n>, and apply more or less filtering to the results |
| [19:20:39] | wagnerrp: | IVTV filters for what it thinks denotes an mpeg encoder, HDPVR filters for what it thinks is an HDPVR |
| [19:20:54] | wagnerrp: | and V4L just pull everything regardless of whether its a framegrabber or not |
| [19:21:27] | wagnerrp: | i guess we could define a priority on those things, try HDPVR and IVTV first |
| [19:21:34] | wagnerrp: | lumping everything thats left as a V4L device |
| [19:21:42] | Korny2: | Disks still not showing up in machine information on mythweb(yet video can see the drives fine) |
| [19:22:05] | wagnerrp: | technically, mythweb doesnt display that information |
| [19:22:23] | wagnerrp: | that page is generated by the backend, and proxied through mythweb with a bit of CSS |
| [19:22:32] | iamlindoro: | My humble opinion is that hybrid devices should be set up as digital-only, and if people want to use framegrabbers they can set them up themselves |
| [19:22:36] | Korny2: | so the backend still isn't seeing those drives then I'm assuming |
| [19:22:59] | Korny2: | I even deleted them from the back end and re added them incase of a typo |
| [19:23:03] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, those drives will only be differentiated from one another once their free space varies by ~15MB or so |
| [19:23:10] | Korny2: | but nothing showing up in the logs whatsoever |
| [19:23:20] | Korny2: | but neither show up |
| [19:23:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: while i mostly agree with that, what about things like the HVR-2250 |
| [19:23:26] | iamlindoro: | empty drives don't show up, also issues arise if you are pointing directly at the mountpoint |
| [19:23:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: HVR-2250 is an encoder |
| [19:23:40] | iamlindoro: | we shoudl set those up |
| [19:23:46] | wagnerrp: | but its a hybrid device |
| [19:23:59] | iamlindoro: | but non framegrabber |
| [19:24:20] | Korny2: | 900 mb apart in free space at this time |
| [19:24:26] | wagnerrp: | ok, you mean just ignore framegrabber, not hybrids specifically |
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| [19:24:40] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were talking about automatic definition of input groups or something |
| [19:24:40] | iamlindoro: | well, if the device is framegrabber only, we should set that up |
| [19:24:55] | iamlindoro: | I'm just saying if it's a hybrid framegrabber, let's say an HVR-950Q |
| [19:24:58] | iamlindoro: | then just set up digitl |
| [19:25:13] | wagnerrp: | would there be any way to tell, besides an internal hardware list? |
| [19:25:29] | iamlindoro: | If the same dev node probes properly as ivtv, you'd know |
| [19:25:45] | iamlindoro: | v4l-only cards don't respond to the ivtv card type IIRC |
| [19:25:50] | iamlindoro: | I could be wrong |
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| [19:26:26] | wagnerrp: | i mean... how would you tell a framegrabber is a hybrid card, and not just a framegrabber |
| [19:26:29] | iamlindoro: | That said, I think encoder might be something we can check capabilities of in the v4l API-- and if it's not, devin or mike or steven might be able to help us out with that |
| [19:26:43] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to tell that one piece of hardware provides both a v4l and dvb node? |
| [19:26:55] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't they share a hardware path, eg use libudev? |
| [19:27:09] | wagnerrp: | i honestly dont know |
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| [19:29:23] | Korny2: | Not sure what I did, but deleting seagate5 and 6 restarting the backend then readding them seemed to have done it :/ |
| [19:30:16] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [19:30:39] | Korny2: | 0.24.1 with mythbuntu repos fixes enabled |
| [19:30:50] | wagnerrp: | well its not that then... |
| [19:31:03] | Korny2: | Well working now so I'm not ognna complain |
| [19:31:27] | wagnerrp: | that whole chunk of code got rewritten a couple weeks back |
| [19:31:34] | wagnerrp: | was wondering if it wasnt updating the list properly |
| [19:32:18] | Korny2: | I did add all 6 at one time if that matters |
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| [19:42:29] | fleixius: | Is there a way to set livetv to re-open the last viewed channel? |
| [19:42:55] | wagnerrp: | livetv will automatically tune to the last viewed channel on that tuner |
| [19:43:26] | NickHu: | Hey guys, what's the difference between firmware and drivers? |
| [19:43:28] | wagnerrp: | if you start up on a different tuner than you stopped, you may end up with a different channel |
| [19:43:37] | fleixius: | Right now, when I'm viewing a channel, press escape then go back and watch live tv; my channel is set to the default one in the video source config. |
| [19:43:52] | wagnerrp: | drivers run on your CPU, firmware runs on your hardware |
| [19:43:54] | iamlindoro: | Then you've misconfigured your tuner |
| [19:44:04] | iamlindoro: | Read the help tooltip for the setting you are speaking of |
| [19:44:21] | iamlindoro: | specifically, it's there for tuner devices where they are connected to an external tuner |
| [19:44:28] | iamlindoro: | like a DTA that only outputs on channel 3 |
| [19:44:30] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: How can I tell if I'm missing firmware? |
| [19:44:39] | wagnerrp: | your drivers will complain |
| [19:44:52] | wagnerrp: | "i cant find the firmware to load onto this card" |
| [19:44:54] | NickHu: | And I'd check for that in dmesg right? |
| [19:44:57] | wagnerrp: | see 'dmesg' |
| [19:44:58] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:45:38] | NickHu: | From my dmesg it doesn't look like it's loading any firmware at all |
| [19:45:44] | wagnerrp: | what card? |
| [19:46:00] | wagnerrp: | can you pastebin your dmesg? |
| [19:46:04] | NickHu: | Hauppauge Nova S Plus, I've had a myriad of problems with it |
| [19:46:17] | NickHu: | http://paste.xinu.at/at4/ |
| [19:47:02] | NickHu: | Is it possible that some some-what compatible firmware is being loaded that makes it some-what work but not function completely correctly? |
| [19:47:16] | NickHu: | In the way a some-what compatible driver would work |
| [19:47:38] | wagnerrp: | some hardware does not need a firmware |
| [19:47:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont load any for my HVR-1250 |
| [19:47:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if any of the Nova cards behave as such |
| [19:48:23] | NickHu: | Hmm |
| [19:48:41] | NickHu: | Well googling my original error: |
| [19:48:42] | NickHu: | 2011-09–18 20:34:18.472 DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Cannot count Uncorrected Blocks eno: Operation not supported (95) |
| [19:48:51] | NickHu: | Lead me to believe firmware was an issue |
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| [20:15:55] | iamlindoro: | Sigh, Ron Frazier playing another round of "this thing that I've got must be the best because I've got it" |
| [20:17:25] | wagnerrp: | hes preaching to people as if they have a choice what cable provider they can go with |
| [20:20:11] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if we could convince Erik Sharkey to convert his 'scripts' into 'libraries', and call them periodically using a housekeeper task on the backend |
| [20:20:27] | iamlindoro: | which scripts? |
| [20:21:00] | wagnerrp: | "i'm currently working on some scripts to help automate creation and maintenance of a clear qam video source with information from the hdhr prime scan output" |
| [20:21:17] | iamlindoro: | That won't be necessary |
| [20:21:28] | iamlindoro: | I'll have something that uses the API properly in in the next couple of months |
| [20:21:30] | wagnerrp: | although i fully admit to writing up python bits for stuff that really should be internal c++ |
| [20:22:04] | wagnerrp: | although thats actually backwards from what i thought |
| [20:22:18] | wagnerrp: | hes maintaining a clearqam list by simply scanning for a list of encrypted channels |
| [20:22:24] | wagnerrp: | you can do that with any digital tuner |
| [20:22:29] | wagnerrp: | doesnt need to be a hdhr prime |
| [20:22:51] | iamlindoro: | indeed, though the prime allows you to just check a property |
| [20:23:14] | iamlindoro: | can get subscription, encryption, copy protection, broadcast flag status from a single struct |
| [20:24:12] | wagnerrp: | hes just grepping the output of the hdhomerun_config utility |
| [20:24:22] | iamlindoro: | yeah, messy |
| [20:24:26] | iamlindoro: | API better |
| [20:24:42] | ** wagnerrp admits to attempting one of those years back ** | |
| [20:25:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im saying the API is messy too |
| [20:25:36] | wagnerrp: | best to have it something the backend does internally |
| [20:25:52] | wagnerrp: | or at least periodically scan to see if there have been changes |
| [20:26:17] | wagnerrp: | and if so, store them off and use an application slaved in through the API to add/delete the necessary channels |
| [20:27:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Huh? |
| [20:27:08] | iamlindoro: | The backend *uses* the API |
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| [20:27:25] | iamlindoro: | that's all libhdhomerun is |
| [20:27:27] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about the HDHR API? or the services API? |
| [20:27:39] | iamlindoro: | libhdhomerun |
| [20:27:47] | iamlindoro: | is a library wrapping the HDHR API |
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| [20:28:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought you were talking about keeping it a separate utility, but interface through the API rather than directly altering the database |
| [20:28:11] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | ignore me |
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| [23:07:55] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
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| [23:09:22] | mattwj2002: | xris are you here? |
| [23:09:27] | xris: | y |
| [23:09:37] | mattwj2002: | is that a why or a yes? |
| [23:09:48] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [23:10:07] | xris: | both? |
| [23:10:21] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [23:10:28] | xris: | though usually "why" is a ? |
| [23:10:35] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [23:10:57] | mattwj2002: | how long did it take for you to get your wintv box from the time you placed the order? |
| [23:11:28] | xris: | month and a half? |
| [23:11:31] | mattwj2002: | O_O |
| [23:11:37] | wagnerrp: | although i dont think it qualifies |
| [23:11:37] | xris: | I told you.. I preordered |
| [23:12:14] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah that is right |
| [23:12:17] | mattwj2002: | sorry I forgot |
| [23:12:20] | Gumby: | hi all, which step in setting up my sources adds the xmltvid to the channels database? |
| [23:12:28] | mattwj2002: | it says on the website "Availability is 10 days after you order." |
| [23:12:29] | Gumby: | is this mythfilldatabase itself? |
| [23:12:32] | xris: | I ordered in mid july. they were supposed to be available in august but didn't ship until recently. |
| [23:12:48] | xris: | yeah, they're likely still filling backorders |
| [23:12:57] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [23:13:05] | skd5aner: | Gumby: depends, if you are using schedules direct, I belive it's when you download the channels from the source originially |
| [23:13:06] | xris: | shipping was usps, fairly fast |
| [23:13:25] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: when you scan, if the scanner picks up names, and those names correspond to the names provided by your guide data source, the xmltvids will be automatically populated |
| [23:13:26] | xris: | you can email them and ask for an estimate when it'll ship |
| [23:13:37] | mattwj2002: | xris how is the clear qam treating you? still working as well as you said before? |
| [23:13:39] | mattwj2002: | good idea |
| [23:13:40] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [23:13:46] | wagnerrp: | in all other scenarios, you must fill them in manually, using the channel editor in mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, or mythweb |
| [23:13:57] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: would editing my channel numbers before I ever used mythfilldatabase cause the xmltvid to not download properly? |
| [23:14:12] | xris: | hasn't been anything to record all weekend. :) but I have the new one unplugged for now. been using clearqam with a standard hdhomerun for a long time, though. works great (though I needed a cable amp) |
| [23:14:26] | Gumby: | hrm, I think I seem to recall this from a previous setup... |
| [23:14:32] | mattwj2002: | I bought a cable amp |
| [23:14:33] | Gumby: | my memory is obviously not so great |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, whatever it matches against must match exactly with the guide data |
| [23:14:36] | mattwj2002: | would you like to see? |
| [23:14:43] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was channame, it could be channum as well |
| [23:14:46] | mattwj2002: | it hasn't came yet |
| [23:14:56] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: I'll look into it (I'll let you know) |
| [23:15:08] | xris: | Gumby: if you're on cable, this might help: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan |
| [23:15:37] | mattwj2002: | O_O |
| [23:15:49] | mattwj2002: | Amazon.com just changed their page layout |
| [23:16:01] | xris: | mattwj2002: they've been doing AB testing of that for a few months now |
| [23:16:05] | skd5aner: | well, several days ago actually |
| [23:16:21] | xris: | Gumby: I use that method, but have to do a bunch of tweaks to a number of the channel names to make things match up |
| [23:16:22] | Gumby: | xris: satellite unfortunately. But I think my memory is starting to come back. I think if I update my channums before running mythfilldatabase then the xmltvids never get downloaded because there is no match |
| [23:16:44] | skd5aner: | I thought it was channame |
| [23:16:52] | skd5aner: | cause channums can be user defined |
| [23:16:54] | xris: | read through the process, though… that should at least point you in the right direction. |
| [23:17:02] | Gumby: | xris: will do, thx |
| [23:17:02] | mattwj2002: | anyways here is the amp I bought |
| [23:17:05] | mattwj2002: | http://amzn.com/B000WDR94U |
| [23:17:05] | xris: | yeah, name is more important. half of the world doesn't use/trust numbers. |
| [23:17:30] | xris: | get terminators for the unused ports (assuming you'll have some) |
| [23:17:41] | mattwj2002: | oh crap |
| [23:17:44] | mattwj2002: | I didn't get any |
| [23:18:13] | skd5aner: | mattwj2002: that's the same amp I have... although I think I have a slight ground loop issue on analog channels <10, I get a little bit a scrolling line syndrome |
| [23:18:20] | xris: | you should be fine without them. they help a little, though |
| [23:18:28] | xris: | same for all unused plugs in your hosue |
| [23:18:31] | xris: | house. |
| [23:18:46] | xris: | wtf, osx fixes every other word I *don't* want, but still lets me type hosue? |
| [23:18:52] | mattwj2002: | here is what I'll have plugged into it |
| [23:18:56] | skd5aner: | which is odd, because I know for a fact that my cable is using the exact same ground as my electric |
| [23:19:13] | xris: | I just have a 4-port radio shack amp. |
| [23:19:26] | xris: | variable amp is nice, although I don't see why you wouldn't just leave it on max |
| [23:20:03] | mattwj2002: | two ports for an original hdhomerun, wintv box one port, cable box, and cable modem |
| [23:20:36] | xris: | ah. my amp is at the end of my run. cable modem on the beginning. that should work fine for you, though. |
| [23:20:57] | ** xris ponders making a Facebook page for schedules direct... ** | |
| [23:21:02] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [23:21:44] | Gumby: | wagnerrp, xris.. I was correct.. there must be some channum matching that goes on. I reverted the channum (I had channum + 10000) and then ran mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels and now the channels for that satellite have xmltvids |
| [23:22:11] | xris: | interesting |
| [23:22:18] | xris: | maybe it's channum + name |
| [23:22:25] | xris: | or callsign. |
| [23:22:47] | Gumby: | its definitely not 'just' channum |
| [23:22:58] | Gumby: | not all channels populated but most did |
| [23:23:24] | xris: | yeah, I know I have to tweak a bunch of the callsigns/names from what scte65scan tells me |
| [23:23:51] | mattwj2002: | xris I just order some plugs |
| [23:23:52] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [23:23:57] | xris: | hmm, I should probably rerun that now that I downgraded my service.. and will be adding a cable card device |
| [23:23:58] | mattwj2002: | *terminals |
| [23:24:12] | xris: | cool. I did that the other day. long overdue for adding them around my hour. |
| [23:24:14] | xris: | house |
| [23:24:24] | xris: | wtf. stupid osx. my phone has better autocomplete than this. |
| [23:24:27] | mattwj2002: | did it help much? |
| [23:24:45] | xris: | don't have them yet. doubt I'll notice much difference. digital is digital. it generally either works or not. |
| [23:25:13] | mattwj2002: | I can't wait to have four tuners! |
| [23:25:14] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:25:34] | mattwj2002: | two of which have cable card access |
| [23:26:06] | mattwj2002: | plus with multiplexing |
| [23:26:19] | mattwj2002: | it would be possible to record more than 4 programs at once |
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| [23:28:38] | mattwj2002: | so with the wintv with a cablecard.....does that have to have the channels manually indentified like clearqam? |
| [23:29:00] | mattwj2002: | or least some of the channels? |
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| [23:32:04] | xris: | I honestly don't know |
| [23:32:23] | xris: | cesman: how'd you do the channel config in your ceton? |
| [23:32:39] | [R]: | mattwj2002: pretty sure you can't do multirec with cablecard |
| [23:33:25] | mattwj2002: | really bummer |
| [23:35:59] | mattwj2002: | well even two cablecard recordings at once is good |
| [23:36:30] | [R]: | i record a lot of crap... and i only have 1.5 tuners... and i seem to do fine |
| [23:36:42] | mattwj2002: | half a tuner? |
| [23:37:03] | xris: | probably same as me. one is used for actually watching tv? |
| [23:37:10] | [R]: | well i have a qam tuner that can only pick up my locals |
| [23:37:14] | xris: | ah |
| [23:37:16] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [23:37:21] | [R]: | so its more like .1 of a tuner |
| [23:37:24] | [R]: | but you get the idea |
| [23:37:43] | mattwj2002: | what type of tuners do you have? |
| [23:37:58] | [R]: | i hvae an hdpvr and a qam tuner |
| [23:38:23] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [23:39:36] | mattwj2002: | I just hope hooking up the card card isn't too difficult |
| [23:39:47] | mattwj2002: | *cablecard |
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| [23:43:40] | xris: | mattwj2002: self-install? |
| [23:43:51] | xris: | I think you just plug it in and call the cable company to activate it |
| [23:44:26] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [23:45:09] | mattwj2002: | I have just heard people sending hours getting the stupid thing to work |
| [23:45:14] | mattwj2002: | *spending |
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| [23:55:47] | xris: | mattwj2002: mythtv is for tinkers. most of us have spent WAY too much time "getting things to work" |
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| [23:57:52] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [23:57:54] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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