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Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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Gumby:

hehe, dishnetwork just lost/broke their 129 satellite

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Gumby:

which is 90% of their HD channels

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GreyFoxx:

What happened to it ?

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wagnerrp:

targetting malfunction on a test fire of an anti-ballistic missile beam weapon hidden in a drive in theater

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

unsure what happened. all I know is that it is down and there are a lot of ticked of people who don't get to watch America's got talent tonight

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xris:

and.. another email to hauppauge about the whereabouts of my WinTV-DCR-2650

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xris:

wagnerrp: you know any python devs in seattle looking for work?

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wagnerrp:

i only know three people in seattle, and theyre all currently voiced in this channel

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xris:

heh

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wagnerrp:

so if you think one of them is a python dev looking for work....

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xris:

my 2 referrals both turned me down (well, one didn't exactly turn me down — he just stopped returning calls/emails)

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xris:

still hoping to hear back on permission to open source a couple of handy python utils, too. connection pool manager and db wrapper that might be helpful for mythtv's python stuff

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wagnerrp:

ive made a couple attempts at putting one together

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wagnerrp:

never got it to where i was happy with it

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xris:

pool?

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xris:

or db?

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wagnerrp:

the database is already set up as a connection pool

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xris:

oh? thought it was using raw oursql

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wagnerrp:

but i wanted to set up a generic class that could be subclassed for the protocol and database

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xris:

I ripped the thread safe pool stuff out of sqlalchemy, removed all the db-specific stuff.

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xris:

I'll have to do it again if work doesn't give me permission to open source it, but the code is fairly straightforward.

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wagnerrp:

actually, the database stuff is fairly abstracted

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wagnerrp:

since its set up to work with both mysqldb and oursql

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wagnerrp:

both have slightly different substitution mechanisms

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xris:

yeah, like everything. heh

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xris:

I mostly wanted a wrapper to do stuff like select_column() that would return a single value, etc.

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xris:

not a fan of oursql's need to pre-select dict vs list return, though

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** xris misses DBI **

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xris:

then again, I'm trying to find ways to get rid of the db completely. heh.

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wagnerrp:

well, heres hoping that will happen eventually

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wagnerrp:

it will have to if we ever intend to embed the database in the master backend

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xris:

heh, and I wasn't referring to mythtv. :)

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xris:

thought kormoc had done a bunch of the legwork on getting mysql embedded?

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xris:

we could always go the nosql route. something like lucene

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xris:

man, that'd make the scheduling query interesting...

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wagnerrp:

xris: the big question is how you handle remote access to the database

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wagnerrp:

as there is much of that in the slave backend and frontend

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wagnerrp:

so you expose the database as a traditional mysql server

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wagnerrp:

do you route queries through mythproto

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wagnerrp:

or do you replace them all with custom mythproto or services calls

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wagnerrp:

and if you do the latter, youre going to have to implement a plugin infrastructure for the backend to allow frontend plugins to get the queries they need into those servers

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wagnerrp:

sphery is pushing hard to go right into that third option

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wagnerrp:

seeing it as the only way it would ever get done

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to never actually finishing it if we can fall back to standard sql queries through one of the other mechanisms

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xris:

me? I'd personally route everything through a central API. I guess that's along the lines of the sphery proposal.

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wagnerrp:

right, mythproto or services

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xris:

otherwise, you end up doing a whole bunch of stuff twice, like converting several program queries into a single program record

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wagnerrp:

its just that there are thousands of sql queries scattered through various programs that will need to be converted

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

not exactly an easy job

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, thats a good opportunity to break apart mythbackend

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xris:

which I'm also in favor of

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xris:

backend becomes an api hub and job coordinator

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wagnerrp:

so you have something basic running the scheduler, housekeeper, and metadata server

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wagnerrp:

and all backends simply become generic recorders

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wagnerrp:

all clients to the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

so there is no separate handling of master and slave backends

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xris:

right

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xris:

not from a recording standpoint, anyway. they're all slaves of something else.

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch described that many months ago

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wagnerrp:

ive been working on mythprotoserver, to begin preparing for that eventuality

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wagnerrp:

but its pretty untested as yet

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xris:

cool

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xris:

wish I could have more time to spend on this stuff.

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xris:

winter should help with that. plus, the kid getting more self-entertaining

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wagnerrp:

theres actually been some discussion about converting the frontend/backend to all use data from the services api

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wagnerrp:

although personally, id rather keep stuff using the backend protocol, if for no other reason than its a persistent connection, and allows reliable tracking of clients

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xris:

so can json-rpc

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wagnerrp:

using the services API to provide data serialization through the backend protocol would be interesting through

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xris:

backend protocol just doesn't scale very well for new features, etc. or for compatibility with other things like mobile apps

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wagnerrp:

no, im just saying a persistent connection makes more sense for things like the frontend

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wagnerrp:

while a stateless connection makes more sense for things like mythweb

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive never liked the stringlist "serialization" used by the backend protocol

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wagnerrp:

and if the services api were used for serialization, it could dynamically switch between a binary format for speed, or text format for debugging

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wagnerrp:

(should a binary serializer be written for it)

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xris:

dunno. I guess I don't see a huge difference between *most* of what the fronted does (i.e. everything except playing video) and mythweb.

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wagnerrp:

im talking about for tracking purposes

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wagnerrp:

if someone has a frontend open, you dont want to shut the backend down

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wagnerrp:

if someone has a frontend open on one of the slave recorders, you dont want to shut it down

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wagnerrp:

etc...

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wagnerrp:

having a persistent connection just allows the backend to see who is still out there, without some sort of periodic keep-alive

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xris:

true

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wagnerrp:

[26947]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 26947: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a1451883

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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wagnerrp:

someone on the mailing list has a quad processor P4 system

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wagnerrp:

and rather than simply replace the thing, they bought 16GB of DDR1 to stuff in it

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wagnerrp:

for the price of that stuff, you could get a nice modern dual core, 16GB of DDR3, and save about $200/yr on your power bill

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hoolio:

:)

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xris:

wagnerrp: heh

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wagnerrp:

and you would probably end up with something more powerful

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xris:

for a second I thought that was me, but mine's a quad core core2

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wagnerrp:

no... i mean quad processor

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xris:

yeah, I realized that

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wagnerrp:

one of the big hulking server machines

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xris:

just happened that I bumped it up to 16G a couple weeks ago, too

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wagnerrp:

s/mailing list/wiki/

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wagnerrp:

ooh, and a 72GB SCSI disk

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xris:

haha. ouch

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

WINTV-DCR-2650

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mattwj2002:

anyone have any luck with this?

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wagnerrp:

apparently youre the second person tonight who has had trouble getting it to work

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mattwj2002:

no I was looking to buy one

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mattwj2002:

maybe

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wagnerrp:

well the first... its more of a physical issue than a software one

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mattwj2002:

please explain

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wagnerrp:

well you see... he doesnt have it

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mattwj2002:

I want a cable card solution

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wagnerrp:

so does he

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mattwj2002:

maybe I should just get the hd home run

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wagnerrp:

theyre the same thing

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xris:

mattwj2002: I'm still waiting for mine to ship

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wagnerrp:

oh, i thought it had shipped, just hadnt arrived

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mattwj2002:

what is the option out there?

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wagnerrp:

option?

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mattwj2002:

you have the wintv, infinity and the hdhomeruns

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xris:

wagnerrp: it's supposed to have shipped last week, but they said I'd get a tracking#, which I haven't. I emailed them again today

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wagnerrp:

right now, the option is just the SD hdhomerun, and the hauppauge hdhomerun

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xris:

or the ceton

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wagnerrp:

support for the infinitv is not yet ready

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wagnerrp:

it may be in time for 0.25, i dont know

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mattwj2002:

the ceton is the infinity

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xris:

but yeah, the hauppauge and silicon dust devices are supposed to be identical except for # of tuners and the connection type

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wagnerrp:

infinitv

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

they are physically the same exact device

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wagnerrp:

the SD one comes with an ethernet jack and USB-A port soldered on

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wagnerrp:

the hauppauge one comes with a USB-B port soldered on, and one disabled tuner

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mattwj2002:

what does the USB do?

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wagnerrp:

for which?

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keith4__:

is there any way to extend a recording that's in progress, by a few minutes, to compensate for a late start due to the preceding (live) show running over?

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mattwj2002:

there are two wintv tuners?

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mattwj2002:

hmm

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dewman:

wagnerrp, uhh...I paid 10 bucks for the ram. and I got the hard drive for free. If you want I will remove the page on the wiki.

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wagnerrp:

im not saying remove it, its your page, its your hardware

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see the point of running an old, power hungry hardware

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wagnerrp:

when you can get the same amount of performance, with radically lower power consumption, for not whole lot of cost

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mattwj2002:

I am looking at the DCR-2650 Dual tuner cable card model

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xris:

except that in this case it was cheap. :)

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xris:

mattwj2002: http://store.hauppauge.com/hardware2.asp?product=wintv-dcr-2650

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wagnerrp:

xris: sure, but the power is still expensive

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xris:

there are a number of wintv tuners

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xris:

wagnerrp: $10/month is often cheaper (easier) than $120 all at once.

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wagnerrp:

im thinking more like $15/mo versus $200 all at one

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wagnerrp:

or maybe even $20/mo

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mattwj2002:

so it is a usb tv tuner?

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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wagnerrp:

its a USB network card

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mattwj2002:

oh

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wagnerrp:

with a tv tuner attached at the opposite end

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mattwj2002:

that is dumb

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xris:

mattwj2002: mythtv sees it as a network device just like the silicondust-branded one

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mattwj2002:

xris do you think it is good?

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: perhaps, but thats the easy way to get around the cablelabs anti-circumvention requirements

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xris:

mattwj2002: I bought one. have yet to receive it, though.

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wagnerrp:

the infinitv is a pci network card, with a tv tuner attached at the opposite end

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xris:

$120 (sale price) was worth it compared to 2x the cost for one more tuner.

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mattwj2002:

one connector ?

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mattwj2002:

or two?

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mattwj2002:

oops

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wagnerrp:

one coaxial connector

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xris:

should be one with an internal splitter

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wagnerrp:

xris: the only problem i see with it is use with tuning adapters

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mattwj2002:

man I think I might buy one

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

xris any eta?

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xris:

wagnerrp: yeah. not looking forward to those things showing up.

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR deals with those internally

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if there is any linux support for their use

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xris:

mattwj2002: eta? a month ago? they've had production delays.

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wagnerrp:

and i know mythtv doesnt currently support any mechanism for handling that tuning adapter

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xris:

well, since both SD and hauppauge like to help out whenever they're legally able, I suspect linux support will happen if it can.

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mattwj2002:

for the wintv no mythtv support?

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xris:

mattwj2002: it's just an hdhr prime

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mattwj2002:

okay that is what I thought

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wagnerrp:

meaning you add it as an HDHR Prime, and the library autodetects that it only has two inputs

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xris:

look at the pic. even has the third tuner light still on the case. just disabled.

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mattwj2002:

I have a birthday coming up

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mattwj2002:

I think I am going to order that!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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** xris wants an html5 developer for .. wait, no. my birthday is 2 deadlines awayâ€¦ even christmas is too far out. **

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mattwj2002:

xris where did you get it for $120?

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Twiggy2cents:

http://pastebin.com/wDuQP7gT

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Twiggy2cents:

Any idea what that error is? I have it a bunch. It spans over a few days. I havent noticed any issues.

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wagnerrp:

is it causing any problems?

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Twiggy2cents:

Nope not that I know of. It is in there a LOT

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wagnerrp:

then chalk it down to unnecessary verbosity in the player code, and ignore it

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Twiggy2cents:

Does the BE have to have flash on it for a FE to use mythnetvision players?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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Twiggy2cents:

does the flash libraries have to be put anywhere special for mythtv? Or does it pull it out of firefox?

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wagnerrp:

if firefox can find it, mythtv should be able to find it

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wagnerrp:

its a generic library usable by all

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wagnerrp:

and all search in the same place for it

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Twiggy2cents:

I had to show firefox. I have the 32bit wrapped 64biit

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Twiggy2cents:

or vice versa, which ever way it goes

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mattwj2002:

xris: are you here?

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Korny2:

Is it possible to enable both the android remote and LIRC?

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xris:

mattwj2002: here and there, depending on how much observation the kid needs.

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xris:

oh, the tuner. it was on sale a couple months back as part of a preorder, direct from hauppauge

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mattwj2002:

oh ok

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dewman:

Korny2, yes it is..I basically have 3 remotes, my cell phone,my wifes, and an old xbox remote that I modifed....

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dewman:

Korny2, the mythmote is a snap to setup (as long as your phone is on your internal network and you can hit the IP of your FE. The lirc part is...well....lirc.

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Korny2:

I have LIRC already setup

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dewman:

excellent.. that hard part is done...

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Korny2:

I'm vnced directly into one of my frontends right now

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Korny2:

But I'm a noob and have used mythbuntu control center to set things up (which as gone pretty well actually), it just won't let me enable multiple remotes

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Korny2:

suppose I could just watch the video

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dewman:

In the frontend setup do the following. Advanced->Setup->General->Remote Control – tick the Enable Network Remote Control interface

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Korny2:

yeah I feel like an idiot :/

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Korny2:

Sometimes better to search for 10 extra seconds then to ask :/

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dewman:

then on your phone, create a location of the machine that you just enabled, give it the port,ip...and voila

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dewman:

nah, just pass the favor to someone else when they need it. :)

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Korny2:

Wish they made small android tablets for use of as remotes that weren't 300 bucks

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k-man:

any idea what I might be missing if I get this error when compiling mythtv? in the libmythdb directory: make: *** No rule to make target `../../version.cpp', needed by `version.o'.

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Korny2:

I've found some, but they don't have access to the market

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dewman:

yeah they are running the chinese version of android...

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Korny2:

I know some can be flashed

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xris:

k-man: make distclean and clear cache?

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k-man:

xris, what do you mean by clear cache? the ccache?

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xris:

k-man: yes, ccache. osx decided it was misspelled

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k-man:

ah ok

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xris:

I really should just disable the new autocomplete stuff

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k-man:

xris, what client are you using?

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xris:

irc? colloquy

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xris:

but the autocomplete is system-wide in Lion

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k-man:

is it? oh I haven't noticed it

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xris:

yeah, typo fixing and all that. anything that uses some level of native text input widgets

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k-man:

xris, nope, that didn't fix it by the way

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xris:

using standard ./configure, etc, etc?

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xris:

those kind of problems used to happen with wacky qmake setup, but haven't seen them in a couple of years

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k-man:

no, I'm trying to write a mac brew recipe to build mythtv

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xris:

oh.. current one doesn't work?

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k-man:

current what?

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xris:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/OSX

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k-man:

xris, not for me, no

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xris:

ah. I haven't tried it in years. the tv/mythbox are 6' away from my iMac so there hasn't been much need. heh.

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k-man:

ah I see

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westlock3:

MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (//Videos@sixteen.linuxguru.ca/mnt/ioio/myth/videos/)" rel="nofollow">myth://Videos@sixteen.linuxguru.ca/mnt/ioio/myth/videos/)

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westlock3:

Segmentation fault

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westlock3:

ran from the frontend. Any ideas?

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westlock3:

I seen one. My Videos directory is actually "videos" with the lowercase.

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westlock3:

Trying to get my iso video metadata to play all my ripped/backup (thank god) dvd's.

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hoolio:

oh no, but you might have downloaded them

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hoolio:

so you can't be assisted in any way.

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hoolio:

this message will self destruct in 10 seconds.

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hoolio:

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hoolio:

I was actually hoping somebody might chirp in and disprove me

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k-man:

what sounds support should I use for OSX?

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k-man:

in the configure

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: we dont start blaming people of that unless they give us filenames that incontrovertibly show they were illegally acquired

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wagnerrp:

some people do steal ISOs, but its rare

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hoolio:

okay

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hoolio:

so fair use of self-ripped dvd content is okay within the constructs of myth morality?

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wagnerrp:

if you bought the movie, yes

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wagnerrp:

and theres no way to tell otherwise, unless people say 'i rented this from the library/netflix/blockbuster/friend'

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k-man:

anyone seen this warning when compiling on osx? ld: warning: -read_only_relocs cannot be used with x86_64

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k-man:

do I need to worry about it?

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k-man:

or how I might solve this compile error: http://pastie.org/2530346

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Gumby:

hi all. what desktops do you guys use for your frontends (assuming you use one)

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justinh:

desktop, for a frontend? LOL

[09:43:32]

Gumby:

:(

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Gumby:

what does one normally use?

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justinh:

xfce.. anything lightweight without cruft, generally

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Gumby:

isnt that considered a desktop?

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justinh:

something like gnome in itself isn't particularly resource hungry but the stuff it comes with in distros like ubuntu... means you end up with crud like openoffice & stupid lame crummy games installed too

[09:46:39]

justinh:

what's your *point* ?

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Gumby:

I'm just confused... you scoffed at "frontend", or at least thats how it came across

[09:48:09]

Gumby:

and then you recommend xfce, which is a frontend... I'm confused

[09:48:13]

Gumby:

it has been a long day though

[09:49:26]

justinh:

my point is, it doesn't really matter what you use. you probably won't ever see it

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justinh:

if you really care about disk space or memory use, don't use GNOME or KDE

[09:49:51]

justinh:

or startup speed ;)

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Gumby:

ok, fair enough. I just thought there might be something "preferred" I was going to use xfce but thought I'd ask first

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justinh:

use whatever you want

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't care

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justinh:

we don't care

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justinh:

I certainly don't care

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Gumby:

preferred by you all, not by mythtv :)

[09:50:49]

justinh:

there's not really *any* need to run mythtv under a window manager these days

[09:50:58]

justinh:

just startx, then run mythfrontend :)

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Gumby:

ok :)

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justinh:

oh wait maybe you can still run into focus issues thanks to the stupidity of requiring mythbrowser for some video streaming sites (damn those sites, not mythtv's fault btw)

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** justinh goes back to playing with LFS **

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justinh:

gah. not a good time to be playign with LFS when so much is 'down for maintainance'

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ahhughes:

good evening, still trying to work out why myth can't shut it self down... I get this log every 900 seconds... 2011-09–14 21:00:03.333 I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 900 seconds.

[11:40:58]

Twiggy2cents:

ahhughes, what is your shutdown command?

[11:42:41]

ahhughes:

this is the "server hault command" on the backend... mythshutdown --shutdown

[11:43:39]

Twiggy2cents:

sure, but according to the wiki page you can specify in the settings what command it passes

[11:43:55]

Twiggy2cents:

mythshutdown --shutdown should invoke the command in the settings

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** ahhughes wonders what setting this is :/ **

[11:44:58]

Twiggy2cents:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#Mythwe . . . own_Settings

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ahhughes:

ok, I just found the "Command to shutdown" in mythwelcome... sudo shutdown -h now

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Twiggy2cents:

is myth part of your sudoers group?

[11:50:58]

ahhughes:

I did sudo visudo

[11:51:17]

Twiggy2cents:

actually, a safer way is to modify your sudoers and change that shutdown requires su to no

[11:52:20]

Twiggy2cents:

adding "mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown" to the file should make it where the mythtv user can shutdown with out su

[11:52:37]

Twiggy2cents:

Then remove sudo from the command and try

[11:53:30]

ahhughes:

%mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh, /usr/bin/mythshutdown

[11:53:46]

ahhughes:

I have that^ verbatim

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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Twiggy2cents:

well have you tried the shutdown -h command under your own user?

[11:55:02]

ahhughes:

yep... it works

[11:55:43]

ahhughes:

in fact... if I am in mythwelcome... and I hit shutdown now... it works!

[11:56:10]

ahhughes:

but the idle timeout is FAIL

[11:56:27]

Twiggy2cents:

but mythshutdown --shutdown doesnt?

[11:56:31]

Twiggy2cents:

or just the timer

[11:57:01]

ahhughes:

I havent run mythshutdown --shutdown... only shutdown -h as a test

[11:57:04]

ahhughes:

as me

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ahhughes:

ok that worked.

[11:57:42]

Twiggy2cents:

I havent even dealt with this so I dont know what options have been covered, but in the mythshutdown options there is

[11:57:45]

Twiggy2cents:

-u/--unlock

[11:57:45]

Twiggy2cents:

allows the backend to shutdown when idle

[11:59:21]

Twiggy2cents:

also on the m menu in mythfrontend is it allowed to shutdown when idle?

[11:59:30]

Twiggy2cents:

s/mythfrontend/mythwelcom/

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Twiggy2cents:

crap... well you get the idea

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ahhughes:

any idea what settings I should have for the front ends Shutdown/Reboot settings?

[12:06:28]

ahhughes:

I suspect I am supposed to have something in there, so that when I exit the front end it starts/goes into mythwelcome

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Twiggy2cents:

can you use that page to do what mythwelcome is doing?

[12:12:42]

Twiggy2cents:

ahh ha!

[12:12:54]

Twiggy2cents:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#MythBackend_setup_options

[12:14:31]

Twiggy2cents:

Maybe... That applies to the nvram portion. But I would think you would need that in there.

[12:16:48]

ahhughes:

yep. I got em all :)

[12:17:42]

ahhughes:

I might park this one for a second and try and fix something hopefully more trivial :)

[12:18:56]

Twiggy2cents:

lol well I am guessing you are in a weird timezone ;-) Around the us it is 7:20am if you could get on in like 8–10 hours there will be a lot more(and more knowledgeable) help.

[12:19:09]

Twiggy2cents:

Or you can ask on the mailing list. Surely somebody has to know why.

[12:19:42]

ahhughes:

yeah. Im on the other side of the world :)

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ahhughes:

so Twiggy2cents when you exit the frontend... what happens (myth is new to me, actually this is mythbuntu)... but Im expecting to see mythwelcome when I exit the frontend. yes/no?

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Twiggy2cents:

like I said, I have never used mythwelcome. But you may have to make a script to do that.

[12:28:02]

Twiggy2cents:

The more knowledgeable people in here or on the mailing list would probably know

[12:28:18]

Twiggy2cents:

Welp good luck with it, I am off to work.

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** justinh never saw the point of mythwelcome **

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styelz:

its chewy

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justinh:

I doubt it's even worth all the effort on my systems anyway, with the PSUs I use

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styelz:

dont you need it for timed events

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styelz:

sleep/wake n shyt

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styelz:

?

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justinh:

meh. tree hugging, so-called 'power saving'

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justinh:

all that extra wear & tear on HDDs...

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styelz:

never used it

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justinh:

AFAIK very few of the channel regulars bother with mythwelcome either

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ahhughes:

oh no, Im a hippy now.

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styelz:

with 1000W lights in a hidden grow room

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justinh:

from what I know of all the so-called power-saving stuff, it can be a PITA to configure – which is probably why I've always been soft of tempted but never bothered

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ahhughes:

well. I got the difficult stuff working.. it wakes up!

[12:36:03]

ahhughes:

the so called easy task of shutting down when idel is not working :/

[12:36:26]

ahhughes:

it detects when its idle and it tries to shut down.. but it fails.

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styelz:

i had that prob, had to update the bios

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styelz:

on windows though.

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styelz:

can you put it to sleep manually

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ahhughes:

I can hit "shutdown now" in mythwelcome and it will.

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justinh:

ahh then you need to do something daft with /etc/sudoers to allow a shutdown/sleep script to trun properly

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justinh:

should be doc'd in the wiki

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styelz:

ah ok, thats fine then

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justinh:

I had to do that with my frontend IIRC

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justinh:

make it so that the shutdown command (or whatever) can run without a password

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ahhughes:

%mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh, /usr/bin/mythshutdown

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ahhughes:

I have that

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ahhughes:

how can I tell what user mythwelcome runs as?

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justinh:

probably the 'mythtv' user, but that depends an awful lot on what distro you run, how you installed it etc

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ahhughes:

can I start mythwelcome as mythtv by sudo -u mythtv mythwelcome ?

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justinh:

you can find out for sure with the 'ps' command on mythwelcome though

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justinh:

i.e. ps -ef |grep mythwelcome perhaps

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ahhughes:

yeah, nothing there.... so its not running.

[12:43:29]

ahhughes:

if I try and run sudo -u mythtv mythwelcome it says mythwelcome: cannot connect to X server :0.0

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justinh:

that's because there's no DISPLAY environment variable set ;-)

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justinh:

export DISPLAY=:0 if you're ssh'd in

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ahhughes:

nope. Im on an xterm

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justinh:

heh this business of making my own distro from scratch is er.. fun

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k-man:

justinh, interesting definition of fun

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justinh:

keeping me looking busy at work :)

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justinh:

and when it's done we can do a simpler rollout of a server thing we do

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justinh:

it's part of the reason I was in Sweden the other week

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k-man:

ah right

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justinh:

hang on ahhughes you're on the xterm on the machine trying to run mythwelcome & it says that? methinks something is wrong like you're logged in as a different user

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justinh:

AFAIK linux won't let different users utilise an X session run by a different user

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justinh:

so-called 'security'

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justinh:

k-man: well, that reason & overseeing the upgrade of software on over 1400 bus CCTV DVRs

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k-man:

unless the user does err... xhost +

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k-man:

I think immsmc

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k-man:

justinh, wow.... interesting

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k-man:

justinh, not that I know anything at all about what you do really, but have you seen those projects for running commands on many servers at once

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k-man:

and it gives you feedback about the result from each server

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ahhughes:

Im logged in as my usual user. Not mythtv!

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justinh:

k-man: we use a python script or ten for overseeing updates. not too many depots to administer yet so they can be tackled one at a time

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justinh:

ahhughes: so log out & log back in as the mythtv user – or whichever one the frontend machine normally autologins as

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justinh:

and if it's not the mythtv user it autologins as.. change the sudoers file to the user it logs in automatically as

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justinh:

simples!

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justinh:

(if indeed it even automagically logs in)

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ahhughes:

it normally auto logs in as my user.

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justinh:

good griefs glibc takes some building

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justinh:

so if the frontend normally logs in as you & you run mythfrontend/mythwelcome as you, set the shutdown script or whatever to run as you & be allowed to sudo as you with no password :)

[13:01:33]

ahhughes:

yeah, I got a bit to learn here.

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justinh:

heh it's easy to miss simple things

[13:02:15]

justinh:

when I was a newbie I found myself doing a gentoo stage 1 install on the recommendation of a 'friend'

[13:02:30]

justinh:

oy did I learn a lot in that fortnight

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ahhughes:

thanks heaps anyway.. might have to ask on the mailing list :)

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justinh:

nah you got yer answer. if the problem was all you said it was, & mythfrontend/mythwelcome was being run as *you* then it'd be no good making the sudo entry attributed to the mythtv user :-)

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justinh:

as for the usefulness of the -users ML... heheheh good luck with that

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justinh:

FWIW you might have to log out & back in for changes to /etc/sudoers to take effect

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ahhughes:

thanks heaps ZZ zZ zZ z time!

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kugel_:

I upgraded to Fedora 15 last night. I'm having some sound problems that I thought were solved earlier. I noticed that pulseaudio had be reinstalled; I thought I'd nuke that, but now gnome-panel is dependent on it, and it didn't seem like a good idea to remove that. (*sigh*)

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EvilGuru:

kugel_: Can you do without GNOME if it is just a frontend system?

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kugel_:

Right now, it's both (or it would be if I had things working.)

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kugel_:

BTW, the new reboot time on Fedora 15 is awful.

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kugel_:

(at least compared to the Fedora 14 I had before.)

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: is this the one you recall? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RemoveUnusedAccounts.php

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wagnerrp:

xris: you're the one working on the migration to the new server, right?

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wagnerrp:

s/to the new server/back to the old server/

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wagnerrp:

any plans on using the opportunity to upgrade things?

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planktonboy:

hi chaps

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planktonboy:

could anyone recommend a way to transfer recordings from Myth to an ipod touch. I have managed to get Air Video Server for linux working and used mythrename.pl to sort the human readable symlinks and that works great for streaming. Also the offline transcode is working but unfortunately it cannot send the file straight to the ipod so I was hoping that there might be a script or method someone can recommend to copy the m4v files to the ipod

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy, I haven't automated that stuff, but have used 'gtkpod' in the past, with the iPod connected via USB...

[14:21:32]

planktonboy:

hi JeffA

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wagnerrp:

planktonboy: what are you using to transcode, because the internal transcoder wont output anything usable on the ipod touch

[14:22:30]

planktonboy:

I was looking at gtkpod but would prefer to get it set up wirelessly if poss

[14:23:15]

planktonboy:

hi wagnerr, using ffmpeg and mpeg4ip

[14:23:42]

planktonboy:

that works very well indeed

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wagnerrp:

presumably youre storing to some alternate file, rather than replacing the original recordings?

[14:24:21]

planktonboy:

takes a bit of time though as my myth pc is only a 2.4GHz P4

[14:24:29]

planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

I set up mythrename.pl to output a symlink to a seperate file

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wagnerrp:

might want to take a look at mythexport, i think it is resigned for use with such mobile files

[14:25:47]

wagnerrp:

actually, mythrename doesnt exist any longer

[14:25:58]

wagnerrp:

it was renamed to mythlink, the the ability to rename files was removed

[14:26:07]

planktonboy:

or rather mythlink

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planktonboy:

sorry

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy, can you sync to iTunes wirelessly?

[14:27:15]

justinh:

planktonboy: AFAIK there's already a way to get recordings farmed out as an RSS feed.. see the wikiwikiwoowoo

[14:27:35]

justinh:

subscribe in yer itunes.. and then kapoo :-)

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planktonboy:

Jeffa no unfortunately that isnt working right now

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justinh:

myth2ipod.pl IIRC

[14:28:07]

planktonboy:

at least not on mine

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planktonboy:

justin, hi mate

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wagnerrp:

wikiwikiwoowoo?

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planktonboy:

thanks

[14:28:34]

wagnerrp:

on of those british things where youre adding more letters to words again?

[14:28:38]

planktonboy:

yup been looking at the wiki all day

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPod_Export_Solution:_Myth2iPod

[14:28:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

sounds like a whitchdoctor chant...

[14:28:47]

justinh:

wagnerrp: no, taking the pee out of wikis. HATE wikis

[14:28:48]

wagnerrp:

mythweb already sets up the RSS feeds for recordings

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justinh:

wagnerrp: does it?

[14:28:59]

wagnerrp:

but those are the original recordings stored in the database

[14:29:10]

justinh:

not in a form an iShat can play I'd bet though ;)

[14:29:10]

wagnerrp:

its not designed to handle alternate forms of the recordings

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planktonboy:

and last night but not sure which methods were old hat and which were popular :)

[14:29:27]

wagnerrp:

although you could easily modify that to change the extension and stream a different file

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justinh:

ugh. I'd never actually looked at the scripts on that wiki page. UGH

[14:30:30]

planktonboy:

yes I did see one method that integrated it into mythweb which looked interesting

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justinh:

using the PRINT command to form the RSS xml? ROFL

[14:31:06]

planktonboy:

but will certainly look at that Myth2ipod page

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planktonboy:

again :)

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justinh:

it's not as awful as the script which scraped the apple trailers & messed them around into mythtv menu xml, mind

[14:31:49]

justinh:

but then very little is

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planktonboy:

haha

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justinh:

and why in the world is it using nuvexport anyway?

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justinh:

just ffmpeg.. simples

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, I think it's really, really old. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg probably doesnt touch nuvs

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wagnerrp:

and it should be using mythffmpeg, not ffmpeg

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planktonboy:

also I noticed mythbuntu is using MythExport

[14:34:12]

wagnerrp:

mythexport is part of mythbuntu, you would find it out of that distro

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kugel_:

I might eventually try one of the "raspberry pi" tiny machines as a frontend (if that works, it would make my investment in the nvidia GT430 pretty silly)

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justinh:

kugel_: tip – it won't :P

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planktonboy:

yup I used that to set my my mother's machine as it was easier to just set up and leave :)

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planktonboy:

anyway thanks for the advice and recommendations

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kugel_:

justinh: you don't think the r-pi will do the trick? (or ever come out?)

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wagnerrp:

kugel_: as mentioned, youll have to write support for the video decoder, and streamline the frontend's memory issues, plus youll probably have some work to do improving opengl es support

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justinh:

I don't think it's likely to ever get video acceleration working, no

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justinh:

oh wait...

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justinh:

"I was busily getting attendees to feel the SoC, to emphasise the fact that it only draws 1W, staying surprisingly cool."

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justinh:

only draws ONE WATT & the guy says 'surprisingly' cool. LOL

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justinh:

"It does 1080P" :-O

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justinh:

yes, but what bitrate, coding complexity etc?!

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justinh:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/2011/09/multimedia . . . sfer-summit/

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Indeed, I hate it when they do not give the profile or the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

1080p2

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wagnerrp:

glorious h264, level 2.1

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justinh:

oof. 128MB RAM? that aint gonna run mythfrontend

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justinh:

why so little ram anyway?

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justinh:

not as if ram is particularly expensive

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stuartm:

because they are too cheap to spring for a realistic amount

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wagnerrp:

$35 gets you 256MB (still too little for mythfrontend)

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justinh:

with maybe 1GB.. it might be a viable project

[14:43:27]

justinh:

for a *nice* frontend experience

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wagnerrp:

still not enough power for a "nice" frontend experience

[14:44:10]

wagnerrp:

but you would be able to play most video without jerkiness or UI slowness

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justinh:

that's about my definition of 'nice'

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wagnerrp:

last i checked, at 1280x720, qt renderer, 384MB was sufficient to run the frontend without swapping

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wagnerrp:

or at least load it

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wagnerrp:

at 256MB and that resolution, it was swapping hard on the main menu

[14:45:14]

justinh:

ran mythfrontend on my old xbox a good few years ago

[14:45:17]

justinh:

it was just about usable

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justinh:

by that I mean I wanted to smash it

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justinh:

so you reckon even the cpu isn't enough for a nice frontend experience? is the UI drawing that slow?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the fact that its hard to buy a stick of memory smaller than 512MB these days tends to eliminate the need for a low memory frontend

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justinh:

or do you mean it'd be ok as things stand but once mythui has animation & effects etc, it's going to be bad

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i just mean anything that tiny little hardware decoder chokes on

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, yeah, an Xbox worked 'ok' for a frontend with MPEG2 recordings.... but was slow as *bleep* and swapping alot...

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justinh:

ah, well I was taking that as a given

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J-e-f-f-A:

(when navigating menus)

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justinh:

but for the price

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justinh:

it's a darn sight cheaper than all the stupid NMTs with awful UIs

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justTom:

Hey guys, I'm having trouble using a jystick as a remote on my front end

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justTom:

what I've noticed is that the buttons work fine, but

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justTom:

the d-pad doesn't

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wagnerrp:

hey, what did you do with dave?

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justTom:

until I use jscalibrator. Then it works jsut fine

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justTom:

I checked the myth wiki and the authro says he has the same problem but doesn't know why

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justinh:

authro? is he related to defaultro?

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wagnerrp:

this is an old gameport joystick?

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J-e-f-f-A:

justTom, so maybe you need to get jscalibrator to save the settings somehow and apply them at boot?

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justTom:

anyoen here have any ideas on how to fix this. Everytime I log out or reboot I have to re-run jscalibrator before I can use my joystick

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wagnerrp:

justinh: "author"

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justTom:

J-e-f-f-A – that's a good idea, I'll have to look into that

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wagnerrp:

justTom: what joystick is this?

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justTom:

Logitech Rumblepad 2

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wagnerrp:

huh... all the USB stuff is supposed to be self calibrating

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wagnerrp:

just a once over on all the analog bits is all youre supposed to need to push out the limits

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J-e-f-f-A:

Speaking of oddball issues, I've got one that started recently on my backend... Every time I re-boot my backend it reverts to the VESA driver – yet if I run 'nvidia-xconfig' from a shell and hit 'ctrl-alt-backspace', it loads with the nvidia driver fine... but next time I boot, same thing... FC14

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stuartm:

justTom: you need to save the config to ~/.joystick

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justTom:

stuartm – is that generated by jscalibrator?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Thankfully I don't (re)boot my backend very often, so it's not a huge issue... Just an annoyance...

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stuartm:

justTom: yes, once you've finished calibrating go to Calibration > Save As

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justTom:

on a similar note, I've been thinking of ditching the joystick for a proper remote. Does anyone have good experience with a non-IR remote? I need one that doesn't need to be pointed at some receiver.

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justTom:

stuartm – cool, thanks. I'm guessing that gets parsed on reboot?

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stuartm:

iirc that's what worked for me, but I only use my joystick when I get nostalgic about X-Wing Alliance

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J-e-f-f-A:

er, non-ir remote, so RF? some folks use Wii controllers...

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stuartm:

justTom: if I'm remembering rightly, yes

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: use a real xorg.conf, rather than one that relies on everything to be auto-detected?

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justTom:

Yeah prob RF

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wagnerrp:

some folks use PS3 remotes

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp, well, I'm wrigiting /etc/X11/xorg.conf every time... but it gets overwritten on every boot now... :-(

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wagnerrp:

a proper remote, using bluetooth

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J-e-f-f-A:

justTom, ah yeah, the PS3 blueray remote... good though wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

well, blame distros for trying to be too smart for their own good

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stuartm:

someone should seriously remake X-Wing Alliance with updated visuals, sound etc

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wagnerrp:

theres even two separate and nearly identical pages on the wiki for the ps2 remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp, yeah, it started recently – I probably installed some updates and didn't pay attention to what they were... grrr...

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wagnerrp:

i think i played rebel squadron once

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justinh:

heheh that pi thing uses another broadcom PoS chipset of course.. and the driver is.. er... probably not gonna be open anytime

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justTom:

cool, thanks for all the help

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: someone should seriously remake Syndicate, updated visuals, sound, etc...

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wagnerrp:

and you know, we dont have nearly enough first person shooters these days, they should remake it as a FPS

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** J-e-f-f-A uses 60 FPS on his myth systems. ;-) Hehehehe... I couldn't resist!!! **

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** wagnerrp is still bitter about a game from his childhood being raped as such **

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justinh:

pfft. games from my childhood.. you were lucky to get "This is the game: You are represented by the letter 'A'..."

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stuartm:

Kroz!

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stuartm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroz_series

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justinh:

heheh colour? :-O

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wagnerrp:

justinh: referring to asteroids?

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qwebirc32920:

I'm trying to get VDPAU going on one of my frontends and was wondering if someone could take a look at part of my log file to make sure it's all normal....http://pastebin.com/2w80SRH8.....I get some ALSA errors but audio seems to work

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justinh:

wagnerrp: referring to whatever 'game' cassette I got with my ZX81

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stuartm:

justinh: if you could afford the vga monitor ;)

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qwebirc32920:

Sorry, here's a better link http://pastebin.com/2w80SRH8

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wagnerrp:

qwebirc32920: so youre not having any problems?

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justinh:

PCs never really interested me much when the first arrived. wayyyyyyyyyyyy too expensive

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qwebirc32920:

Sometimes I think there's small audio glitches but it's hard to reproduce it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Heh... the first game I wrote on our TS1000 (ZX81 made by Timex) was a primitive clone of 'defender'... ;-) Only your ship was just on the left side, with the 'aliens' coming in from the right... ;-) You just moved up and down and shot at them. but they shot at you too!

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wagnerrp:

in any case, VDPAU is completely unrelated to audio

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wagnerrp:

did you do what the logs suggest?

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: I wrote a pacman clone but really struggled to get the ghosts to be in any way predatory

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qwebirc32920:

yes....but it doesn't seem to work....when I cat the file after running the command it only shows it at 64....and the next time I play something the error is still there....I'm on Mythbuntu 11.04

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justinh:

almost wasted the whole of the summer holidays working that one out. heheheh

[15:14:25]

justinh:

and then the 'V' miniseries came on TV :-)

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justinh:

anyhoo, I still fail to see how that raspberry pi thing is going to inspire kids to want to program

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justinh:

it might as well be an arduino... "look! you can make the LEDs flash!"

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justinh:

to which any kid is just gonna go "eh?" before skulking back to their smartphone/console/tablet

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** J-e-f-f-A built a single-board computer in "Electronics 3" (High-School, 1985) based on an 8051... We programmed it in Hex and made LEDs blink... ;-) **

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justinh:

it's all a bit like saying "not enough kids are good painters these days. it must be because materials are too expensive"

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EvilGuru:

When I did electronics in school, some years back, it was all PIC chips and BASIC

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: in high school? jesus. we didn't even have to do that on the 1st year of a degree

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justinh:

nor was it even on the syllabus of the 2nd or 3rd year :-\

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justinh:

and this was after attending a college where we regularly did stuff on the 'micro-professor'

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Hehehe.. I had an awesome Electronics teacher in HS... ;-) It was a blast... I still have the computer too... I should frame it. ;-)

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justinh:

and yet the people of this country wonder why we're so far behind :-\

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justinh:

"aww you didn't pass the exam. here's a certificate anyway, it's the taking part that counts"

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justinh:

last techy thing I remember doing at polytechnic on the 1st year of the degree (I flunked) was 68000 assembler

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EvilGuru:

the non-theoretical stream of my physics degree had a third year option on microcontrollers, AVR chips I think

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qwebirc32920:

wagnerrp: looks like a reboot allowed me to set it properly and the error was gone but a second reboot resets it back to 64

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Our board was basically a SBC, that we programmed with a 2nd board that had two 7-segment LED displays, 8 LEDs (for Binary), a few buttons and two switches. The Switches were for RUN/PROG mode, then ADDR/DATA mode, and the buttons changed counters for the BYTE being displayed on the LEDs, and a button to 'latch' that data to the bus...

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J-e-f-f-A:

This was long before serial interfaces were the norm, or Parallel ports, etc. ;-) We wrote out the program in 'assembly code', then translated it to the machine codes, then entered it in, one byte at a time, via the buttons and switches... very tedious!

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xris:

looks like my hauppauge tuner is supposed to be out for delivery.. yesterday. wtf.

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wagnerrp:

justinh: apparently slashdot put together a number of community questions for that rasberry pi, and the guy responded today

[18:30:40]

wagnerrp:

one of them asked of its use for parallel computing

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wagnerrp:

the manufacturer responded that a $200 x86 box would give you more compute power, and much better single threaded power, than 8 of these $25 units

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clever:

how much current did the rasberry pi need to run?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what, but Intel is prepping it's new Sandy Bridge for micro servers, so they must be better... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/14/intel . . . dmap_update/

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clever:

200mA i'm guessing from what i saw on one page

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clever:

might be able to power it off the 'service only' port on the back of a tv

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clever:

just velcro it to the back and add mythtv, if it has the power

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** sphery is pretty sure the system isn't 200mA... maybe the CPU **

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clever:

sphery: the faq says 1 watt at full load

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clever:

1 watt at 5volts should be 200mA

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westlock3:

Is a scraper for iafd still required and if so how?

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clever:

http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#Power_management

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clever:

ah, this section says 180mA to 300mA

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sphery:

ah, yeah, I'm seeing 6–20V input power on some random page

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sphery:

still impressive, though

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clever:

still under the 500mA limit for usb, but over the 100mA initial load, it would need to negotiate to be 'proper'

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clever:

all you would need to make a frontend is a usb IR receiver, hdmi cable, and ethernet cable

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clever:

and a hacked usb cable to get power from the tv's service port

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sphery:

so I guess that means without any useful drivers, it becomes a /very/ bad heating unit

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andreask73:

Hi all,

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sphery:

(and drivers that allow full use of the onboard video decode, etc.)

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clever:

sphery: The GPU provides APIs for Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode.

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sphery:

do the drivers?

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sphery:

that we could use

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clever:

not sure

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andreask73:

Sorry to interrupt, but I was wondering where I could find a description of the signal strength numbers on the OSD. I have 3 different numbers, signal strength, B/F and one other...

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clever:

"The GPU blob is an 18MB as an elf file, plus libraries. It does an awful lot. [4]

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MythLogBot:

No match for SVN revision 4

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sphery:

andreask73: don't know of any useful description of them... most I can say is that they're useful for comparing one card against itself

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sphery:

andreask73: different cards report some or all of them, using different scales, and different meanings for them

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sphery:

signal to noise ratio is more important than signal strength, and BER (bit-error rate) is probably more important than SNR

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sphery:

at least, as far as I understand

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andreask73:

sphery: Thanks. I am having a bit of a problem with my cards and am trying to use these to troubleshoot...

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andreask73:

Another question: Sometimes one of my cards won't get a complete lock on the channel (TLMSC), and gets stuck on TL, is it possible to force the connection in any way?

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sphery:

andreask73: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tzap#Interpreting_the_numbers might be better description than mine

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sphery:

(if nothing else, it shows how the numbers themselves are mostly meaningless, but once you get to know what a specific card does, you can use them to help with setup)

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andreask73:

sphery: Thanks again :)

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sphery:

I'd guss if you're getting only TL (meaning no PMT, SDT, and no decrypt-- http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.21 ), you either have a problem with your CI/CAM or you need to rescan

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sphery:

(not sure what exactly C stands for, but I know it's somehow related to encryption)

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andreask73:

Yeah, I think the C is for encryption, cause I have unencrypted an encrypted channels (where C differs). I was mostly wondering about the MS letters, but I'll try a rescan later...

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sphery:

might also want to ask on the mythtv-users list--someone in .se (guessing from your address) is likely to know more about whether there were recent changes to the broadcasts and/or whether there's just a problem at the station or something

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sphery:

my antenna in Florida, US, doesn't pick up any Swedish stations, so I have no first-hand experience :)

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andreask73:

sphery: I hope not ;-) Unfortunately what I've seen there are not a lot of active users with the same cable provider that I have, but I'll try a bunch of your suggestions. I'm really just trying to get the system as stable as possible.

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sphery:

good luck... a stable mythtv is a very good thing

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sphery:

I have been very spoiled by the recent performance of min (hardware and software)

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sphery:

(which is actually why--even though I'm getting a ton of Machine Check Exceptions on an old Athlon XP 2400+ remote backend, I'm afraid to replace it with the new mobo/CPU/RAM I have sitting in a box next to it. :)

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andreask73:

Mine works really good as long as I don't watch TV on it, but use it for recording. When I use the live-tv function I get a lot of problems. And what I'm trying to do is check why it crashes with live tv...

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sphery:

yeah, live tv is much less stable--it's a much harder problem than one-off recordings

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sphery:

it may just be live tv in mythtv--and the lack of TLC it generally gets

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sphery:

(though I will say that current 0.24-fixes seems to have about the best Live TV support of any version in years)

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andreask73:

Yeah I've seen alot about it, however it sometimes works flawlessly for several days and then just crashes... I love the support it does have though, and hope that stability is an issue that will be looked into in future releases.

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wagnerrp:

westlock3: what is 'iafd'?

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wagnerrp:

westlock3: are you still having the mythvideo segfault from before?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i think a 15W microserver would be great

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wagnerrp:

most small businesses have use for a server, but they dont have need for a Server

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wagnerrp:

a cheap, low power part, paired to a proper chipset, a bunch of memory, and a storage array would work great for that purpose

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wagnerrp:

at the price, you could have two of them ganged up for fail over

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sphery:

yeah, if it's not a crippled processor, I can see it being useful

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wagnerrp:

assuming its using proper server grade parts

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wagnerrp:

i mean you /can/ build a desktop for that purpose

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sphery:

but if it's basically a glorified (nay, x86-ified) network hard drive, then it's not that interesting

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wagnerrp:

but its not going to be as robust, it wont be able to use ECC memory, it wont use registered memory so it will be limited on capacity

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justinh:

right. now where in the heck was I up to with my theme before I got so horribly distracted with work & my holiday?

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wagnerrp:

installing the python bindings should have no effect on mythvideo segfaulting

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wagnerrp:

westlock3: and if you want to write an alternate metadata grabber for a different site, it must comply with this format... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format

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westlock3:

thanks will check that out.

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westlock3:

How does everyone else get metadata to display for movies that are not listed in the imdb database?

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wagnerrp:

the same way they get metadata to display for movies that are listed in the imdb database

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wagnerrp:

grab them from the tmdb database

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt use imdb for anything

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wagnerrp:

technically, mythtv doesnt use tmdb directly either, all data gets routed through the selected grabber

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stuartm:

and if it's missing from tmdb, then it would be the community minded thing to add it there for others to benefit in future

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stuartm:

unless the movie in question is of the home variety

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wagnerrp:

hes referring to a different variety of movie, that tmdb isnt accepting either

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ThisNewGuy:

hey All – I'm running Master and the housekeeper runs the "Refresh All Artwork" job every night but none of the log info goes into my backend log – is there any way to direct where the log output goes?

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: don't use --logfile, because it only logs the specific program you started... with --logfile you haven't given us permission to write logs for any other app

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sphery:

ThisNewGuy: use --logpath with a /directory/ path, not a file path, or just use syslog

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** sphery may remove --logfile tonight since no one seems to have figured it out **

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k-man:

what sound architecture does mythtv use when compiled for OSX?

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xris:

ooh, my dcr-2650 has apparently been delivered. :)

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